RuneScape:Requests for deletion/Black party hat

Black party hat
I thought this would be covered under the fake image VFD, but apparently it isn't, so here goes. Black party hats have never existed and never will, and so to be allowed would have to come under the RuneScape:Non-existent item policy. However,


 * It doesn't fall under criterion five, because it's not really a black/white item in the real sense. Most players, even newbies, aren't going to assume that because there is a white party hat there must be a black one.
 * My opinion is that it doesn't fall under criterion four either, because the legend isn't widely recognized. I personally have never heard of it before coming here, and a quick Google search shows us as pretty much the only site that talks about this myth.

It would be nice if this discussion were about the merits of this argument rather than the merits of the previous deletions. Skill 06:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, it is mentioned on a few other sites as a myth or scam, but it doesn't appear to be widespread from the looks of it. I still think it isn't enough to keep it under criterion four. If someone wants to nominate user lore as well, go ahead, but I don't have the time right now. Skill 07:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Support: 8 Deletes

Neutral/Pending: 0

Oppose: 6 Keeps

Delete as nominator. Skill 06:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep - As quoted from RuneScape:Non-existent item policy, "#Articles about notable urban legends are allowed to be created if the rumour has been recognized by many players.". This is notable. If you search "black party hat" on Google, you will get 1,260,000 hits. If you search "black party hat runescape" you will get 23,900 hits (a note about the second number of hits: most pages about items in RuneScape do not contain the word "RuneScape", and so there would be far more than 23K hits if every page had "RuneScape" in it).

Most everyone else in RuneScape I know (most of these people have been playing for more than one year, in case that matters) knows about the myth.

Also, as quoted from RuneVillage, "These [party hats] are by far the most famed rare Item in all of Runescape, these came from Christmas Crackers. They came in six different colors, not seven as there is not a Black Party Hat." shows that they recognize the myth as notable. 07:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Most of the hits are for "party hat" not "black party hat". If you look at this search it's more representative of the actual results. (And there are a few results from eBay in there as well.) Same goes for the forums, I couldn't find black party hats anywhere except the stories forum. Skill 14:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * We have articles on things that most players wouldn't even consider searching for. Unless an editor can find a rant about haystacks or some other obscure thing, Black party hat should be kept. They still do get hits in the Forums.


 * Haystacks exist, while black party hats do not. It is fairly well-established consensus that things like haystacks deserve articles. Black party hats, however, have to fall under the non-existent item policy in order to get an article, specifically criteria four and five. Five was designed primarily for metal items; in my opinion, it doesn't apply here, due to the low likelihood that one would assume there must be a black hat based on the fact there is a white one. It doesn't meet four, either, because the lack of mention by players and low Google/forum hits. Skill 22:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * As quoted directly from RS:NIP (not the redirect page, but the page that it redirects to), "Articles about notable urban legends are allowed to be created if the rumour has been recognized by many players.". The myth about the Black party hat would most likely be able to be recognized by over 25% of RuneScape players who have been playing for more than six months, and not the people who play for three months, then quit. No offense meant towards them, but they are often newbies, and don't know much about RuneScape culture. 22:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep. Pops up regularly on the forums. Makes it notable if you ask me. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 07:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen any mention from a variety in the forums, let alone regular. [[Image:Bowman_hat.png|12px]]Tarikochi 02:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete There are tons of items that are "user lore", or "made up by so and so". There is no reason for the item to get its own article. Something on the party hat page such as "there are 6 colours, no nore, no less" would be just fine to cover itAtlandy 14:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete - This rumor was first expanded when a user in Wikipedia named J.J.Sagnella created an article about it back when it was allowed. It somehow made its way here and fakes were created for it. It has been shown not to exist, and while I heard about the rumor during RuneScape Classic days, it is a very rare one that I haven't heard in years before anything involving Wikis.

Those searches you made on Google are not very relevant Chia, as the first one included non-RuneScape results, and the second have no quotes, therefore it could just be searching "Black Kiteshield", "Party Hat", and RuneScape in the same page.

Finally, the non-existent item policy stated it must be widely recognized, and only one site listed has pointed it out, which may have been influenced by the RSWiki or Wikipedia back when it was an article in the first place. Therefore, it can only resort to the other sections of the policy, in which it failed. Tarikochi 02:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete per RS:NIP. --Mura 04:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Non-existent items can have their own articles. See bullet 4.

Delete per Mura. We've also got the RuneScape Fan-Fiction Wikia for this. 05:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete: Should be on Fanon. Christine Talk 19:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep!!!. I've heard this discussed many times between RuneScape forums, alternative forums and between RuneScape players. I Believe it has made its way to be imbedded in RuneScape's history, even though it is a myth. Someday, I could see a section popping up about this mythical item in the RuneScape website Lores and Histories area.

Also I have a quote from a RuneScape player-created website "When crackers were first opened there was a very minute chance you would get a black party hat. These came out of crackers just like any other hat, but were so rare only 2 or 3 of them ever existed."

The quote continues, but basically it proves, from an experienced long-term player that they did exist.User:Playa1313 04:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That isn't proof. --Mura 04:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If black party hats existed, then why aren't they even mentioned on most fansites? Surely there would be more than one person from that period who saw one. It's not as if everyone who was playing in late 2001 has since disappeared. Skill 05:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Black party hats have never existed. 06:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But they are still rumours that are considered true by some players. Meh, never mind.

Keep Assuming there are always at least three threads about it in the Official Forums at any time, this article should be kept per RS:NIP.

Delete I had never heard of this item before... seeing it on the Votes for deletion page... 08:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete. I cannot find a reference to this being such a big myth. The only thread about it on the RuneScape forums is a story, and the only major fansite that even talks about it is at http://runevillage.com/rs2SpecialReports/rs2specialRares.php, which says:

"These [party hats] are by far the most famed rare Item in all of Runescape, these came from Christmas Crackers. They came in six different colors, not seven as there is not a Black Party Hat."

And that’s it. Pretty much the only reference I can find is people saying "no it doesn’t exist". If someone made a page on another fansite and said "nope dragon underpants don’t exists", that wouldn’t be qualification for an article, so I don’t believe this should be an article either. 18:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep Chrislee33 09:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep, fake items that are notable (for example, the dragon full helmet. Which is now a valid item) are able to be kept. Blanko 09:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Jagex has already announced that they will never drop anymore tradable holiday items, and so this will NEVER become a "valid" item. Christine Talk 15:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Doesn't mean they won't drop a black party hat in Christmas 2007, 2008 and beyond.

Cough...yes it does. O.o JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  18:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but they could drop "Dragon underpants" in Christmas 2007, 2008 and beyond. Doesn't mean we should have an article about it =P  17:53, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But the black party hat already has some record of, you know, rumours, and isn't something one player just made up in their head to prove their point. =O
 * Rumours are just that..Rumours, and do not deserve pages. [[Image:Wintumber_tree.PNG]] Atlandy 18:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But it is still notable. A legend can still be a rumour.