Talk:Daemonheim/Pre-release

Move it under a decent name? <.< 95.14.26.98 16:39, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone keeps vandalizing the darn article!--Death_4210 22:30, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Redundant article
This article is pretty much a duplicate of Eastern Wilderness Castle and should be merged with it or deleted.--ItsMrPants 18:34, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

This article name is better; I have copied the content from the other article and redirected it here. 19:25, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe Fremmenik Castle? btw...that castle is huge...--Drixomanbeta 01:27, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

No Clip Image Faked
Save it and open it up in any image editing software like piant, you can see a faint box round the person in the blocked off area, which shows was cut and paste

bad source for trivia
"The word Torsteg means "Thursday" in swedish, and word Hilda means "battle" in swedish. Some speculate this could possibly mean that the battle or opening of this new area will be released on a thursday."

None of this is correct. Thursday is Torsdag in swedish and Hilda is not the word for battle. i will remove this from the wiki page cause of this.Jh amen 22:30, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Err
Can anyone please add if the little strait to the castle is in Free-to-play territory or not? Oh, and also add it to the trivia if needed. Thanks. 00:09, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * It seem that it is f2p, the isthmus part anyway...however you are blocked beyond the spear. Also seeing that they mention Fremmenik in f2p, maybe the whole castle will be f2p?--Drixomanbeta 01:37, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

imo, it will be like recipe for disaster/cooks assistant: a noob ftp quest with a much more massive mems quest. and jagex did say we would get a noob ftp quest, along with a gmq with multiple 80 reqs.... seems obivous. but its all speculation, so nobody on this wiki cares. 01:41, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Bit of missing Trivia...
One thing that I think should be mentioned that I'm sad no one else seemed to notice. The female's shield has an S on it that resembles a snake...Siskle the Serpent Tongue anyone? Bio 02:20, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * That would be speculation, which doesn't belong. 02:20, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

we added it to the enchanted top article, if its there it should be here. im not a fan of the theory however, and its spelled sliske. 02:22, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just removed it from that article, as it is extremely weak speculation. 02:25, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

One thing people,I dont see why we dont have a bit of trvia mentioning the dragonkin statue.I belive the policy is no IMAGES of model viewer,not no mention of it,and we are kinda denying our readers infomation by NOT mentioning it Battleben 07:36, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Dragonkin?
This is completely speculation however I thought it also could be likely that this could be where the Dragonkin are hiding. However, the floors from the dragonkin cutscene and the OOO pictures of the floor of the castle are different, this could be an extension to their hiding place. Aaronjf0 14:32, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

But its NOT specualtion, it IS a dragonkin castle,Theres a statue of one in it..

castle on the west side of wildy?
Well i was looking on the world map and saw a new castle, im pretty sure its just from the quest with ancient curses but maybe it's an entrance or somthing. it is just north of gwd Fllour 20:03, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ghorrock, temple at sennisten quest. :) --Spiruel- Leader of Elemental Resistance 20:18, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Screwed Again
Can't add to the page 'cause of the Newb Admins! --TheLastWordSword 22:45, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you expand on why? 22:48, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe the phrase "Newb Admins" is self-explanatory, but perhaps "rollback and deletion vandals" is more clear. --TheLastWordSword 14:47, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Haig the Curator
After having spokent to Haig about my 173 Kudos, his passing mention of the island leads me to believe the Wilderness castle is in fact Kudos Island. I caqn go back in-game to double-check. Has anyone else spoken to him? --TheLastWordSword 14:42, February 24, 2010 (UTC) No, huh? Why not?

Oh, and by the way, there's what looks like a barge landing on the east side of the peninsula. If this is Kudos Island, it's Members only, right? Too bad, so sad, f2p loser Admins! Wishful thinking makes you miss all the details! --TheLastWordSword 15:04, February 24, 2010 (UTC) "Strikes last, strikes best!"

"YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" --Balton 15:33, February 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Most of the things revolving around the digsite area - kudos barge included - have to do with Zaros, so I don't think that this is going to be long-awaited "kudos island", since it appears to be much more reminiscent of the dragonkin, and I think it is unlikely that Jagex will merge the two. I do admit that a "strange power" ould fit with Zaros, but it could be tied in jsut as easily to the dragonkin. There's my two cents, don't go and spend it all on some ole soda pop. Vlastne 04:23, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

That, and the fact that the Castle ISN'T on an island.

Well... Granted, it isn't on an island,but maybe it sometimes IS an island(tide and all that, y'know?). And it is kind of hard to argue that the barge may land there eventually, All things considered. But if that is Kudos Island, how in the fridge is the digsite team going to get there? I mean, there's a whole bunch of sacred land between there and the island, so unless they plan to use an underground canal, or build the canal through the freaking Teleportation Matrix(which they very well may be doing, as it's been about 7 freaking years since we've last heard from them!)I don't see how they can get through to the castle.

--Ih8pkmn 00:27, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone Thought...
Has anyone thought to stand behind slayer tower and use orb to see if the area is acctually a barge?

I checked. The furthest part I can see is the tents :( CMunz 18:39, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Minigame?????
If I remember rightly Castle Wars had its arena released before the mini game was released maybe it could be a freminik Minigame??

I suppose it could be but, would JaGex really make a minigame where revenants could enter? lol :) Revs have been spotted in there. Sw0rd

07:21, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Zaros?
If you look at the "ruins" image in the article (the one with the green plant) the destroyed circular slab has what looks like half a circle and a short line connected to it. Could this be the Zaros symbol? &#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;Signatures/Earth751}} 12:26, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Water effects
Don't know if this has been said yet but the water changes by the land entrance. A glitch perhaps or maybe they haven't implemented it in yet. It might possibly something to do with the castle as well.

Too much speculation
Normally, wikis are not supposed to have speculation, so I think that a lot of this article should be seriously revamped. We don't have to remove the info. Just reword it. Krayfish 19:33, March 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've been fighting back against the rampant speculation, but three of my edits were reverted as a result. *rolls eyes* Kelly Dakin 22:34, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Speculation! Bah, Humbug! It's all healthy after all we are a 'community'. Plus if you think this is speculation i dare you to go the new skill disscussion! Azorrez 22:48, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding "the god trials" anagram
"Hilda" and "Torsteg" is an anagram for "The Gods Trial"


 * As I have commented when reverting those edits in the article, "The God Trials" (or any of its variants) is one of at least 2,684 combinations (consisting of words of three letters or more) which can be derived from the letters in the names of both "Hilda" and "Torsteg." Using an online anagram generator, I have found equally "intriguing"-sounding combinations, such as "lost Third Age," "starlight ode," "that dire slog," "goatherd list," "roast delight," "alert his god," "it's got her lad," "load the grist," "his old target," "its gold heart," and "it's the old rag." How is "The God/Gods/God's/Gods' Trail/Trails/Trial/Trails" any more notable than these other anagrams? It's just an arbitrary "authentic"-sounding rearranging of "HildaTorsteg." This doesn't even come close to evidence, despite the fact that rumor mills on the forums have been spoon-fed this phrase, as if Mod MMG had said it himself. Can we move on...please? Kelly Dakin 18:34, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Merge with Daemonheim
Well now that the new skill is out, we should merge it with the Daemonheim article as this one is now obsolete. Krayfish 01:45, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * This should probably be added to a history section on Daemonheim as Jagex put quiet a lot of effort into the gradual release of the castle. 07:45, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

I just added some info to the Daemonheim page regarding its time before its official release. Should everything on this article be moved over, too? Like the pictures, etc. Also, I am currently busy right now so I cannot check if Hilda and Torsteg are still at Daemonheim's land entrance. Can someone confirm this? Krayfish 19:27, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

For the love of God, just do it.
We have to merge this article with Daemonheim. It just doesn't fit, because now there are 2 articles on the same place, one of which is now woefully inadequate. I agree with Krayfish-there should be a history section. Haru Axeman 20:01, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

I've moved all of the pictures to the Daemonheim page and moved the dialogue to a separate page here. I think it's safe to make this into a redirect page. Krayfish 20:42, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright then... Maybe the dialogue page should have a link on the Daemonheim page? 04:22, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

I have the dialogue page linked on the page about Hilda already. Krayfish 20:04, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that. I mean it should also be linked to the Daemonheim article. 12:46, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

This article should stay merged
People keep unmerging this article, and I would just like to say that this article is way too short to be on its own. Like I said, all of the info on here is already on the Daemonheim page so I do not see why it shouldn't be merged. If you have any reasons why it should be its own article, let me know. Krayfish 13:10, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

It IS Daemonheim, so thats where it goes.--Degenret01 13:15, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

You simply don't have the authority to assume that. It must be presented to community discussion. 17:08, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

MERGE DISCUSSION
(keep the discussion in here)

(still open for opinions)

Merge: 6

Neutral: 0

Keep: 5

Keep as historical - This article should be kept for historical purposes (before the release of the Dungeoneerinng Skill) 17:08, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Merge- All of the contents of this page are already on the Daemonheim article under the Development History Section. It even has all of the screen shots that were taken before its official release. Also, the article seems too short to be its own article. The Wilderness Castle is Daemonheim after all. Krayfish 17:21, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - The article is NOT too short to be an article of its own. I clicked on Random page several times and found 20 non-Dungeoneering/stub/disambiguation-pages which were shorter than the wilderness castle page was, and 4 which were bigger. So this is not too short to be its own article. 20:46, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - Both of you are right, but we must keep the article. 17:44, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - What a stub, Krayfish. We should keep this as we kept Hitpoints (historical). --Coolnesse 21:16, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Further Comment- The old Hitpoints article is different. The Constitution article would have become too large in size if the historical article was merged. The whole Hitpoints system was completely revamped. However, in this case only a new area was released when it was previously blocked off. If we were to keep this article, it would be like creating a whole new article for Prifddinas when it gets released, and leave the current one as it is. To me, that doesn't make much sense. Krayfish 21:59, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Leave the merge It had zero point or reason except to become a future article once we learned what is was. It existed as a castle alone for the barest span of time.--Degenret01 03:33, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

merge - nothing special on here.. 19:51, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Merge - No point having a separate page. 17:45, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - Per Coolnesse 18:19, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Merge - As Krayfish said it'd be like making a new Prifddinas article when it's released or basically making any article "historical" if it's ever updated, frankly the castle was nothing more than a teaser for dungeoneering so it wouldn't serve a point to keep really. 07:23, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comment  - Keeping the old page of Prifddinas is indeed a good idea, but shorter. As this page almost can't be made shorter than it was before the redirect edits without losing information and Prifddinas can, this is, just like Hitpoints (historical) another kind of situation than for this page. 20:46, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Merge - All ready in the historical section of Daemonheim. 07:40, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Keep - If you are putting the development history on the Daemonheim page, you should also put the pages of the monsters and bosses on the page, as the inhabiting monsters should also be on the page of the location, as with all other locations. This, of course, isn't going to happen, so i think the page should be moved back to wilderness castle. 20:46, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Recent edit: Development history gallery
I removed a number of pictures from this gallery since they were either no longer relevent, even as historical, such as advice on using the orb of oculus to see the castle, or because what they showed was uninteresting, since a number of better pictures could be created now that access to the castle is now possible. Henneyj 00:12, June 4, 2010 (UTC)