Talk:Draconic visage

67.173.160.92 16:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)Hey big thanks to the person who un redlinked and linked up the dragons and oziach its something i find myself unable to do (lazyness).Dark0805 23:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

THE DRAGONIC PENIS
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The truth about ring of wealth
Does ring of wealth help? --Gragon 126 20:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

"The Draconic visage is a "bonus" drop. This means that it is included in a dragon's main drop, and it is never the main drop itself. As such, it is believed that the visage is not affected by the Ring of wealth."

Quoted from the article Axearmour1 22:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

actually ring of wealth does help to get a visage. i wear one all the time. it does help


 * How can you be so sure? Unless you have gotten over 100 visages with 1k black/kbd/iron/steel dragon while wearing ring of wealth and then obtained 20 visages with the same amount of monsters killed, but without ring of wealth. 14:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

the ring of wealth has nothing to do with how often you get a visage. in fact, the wealth has, in many tests, been shown to increase the chance of a coin drop, not an item drop.

smithing xp
I noticed the page lacks amount of experience given to Smithing when one attaches a visage to an antifire shield. Could someone find that out and add that info to the page? It seems relevant. :P --nekobawt 19:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done! 19:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Its 2k xp.

Okay so I've killed 2632 Iron dragons and a few steels.(Calc'd from the prayer EXP from the bones.) And I've got no drops worth over 100K. While my friend got a Vissage on second drop ever off an iron dragon. So I guess the first kills are the luckiest like the guy said.

Thats is not true.... on my first trip i went and killed 20 iron drags and 4 steels drags and i got only 45k worth of stuff from them..... and it doesnt seem the lower lvl you are the better chance of gettin drop... cuz im lvl 83 and its also not tru that the better the stuff the better the drop cuz i was wielding abyssal whip with full proselyte - Red

I'm led to a totally different theory
I have played runescape for a long time. I am led to believe that the Drop System works much like the Grand Exchange - global. Say the drop rate is 1/1000 for an item, then in Runescape the item is dropped every 1/1000. No luck. However - it is every 1000 kills of that monster the item is dropped - so assuming 999 of these monsters have been killed, the 1000th kill will be the rare drop. Whoever gets the drop is the lucky person who gets the 1000th kill. Thats just my conspiracy >.<


 * that makes soo much since because the price for a dragon visage almost doent change. that means you would have to have a system like this one to keep the price the same. same thing also goes for the god swords and stuff.--->fire god980<---


 * In my humble opinion, when a drop rate of a certain item is 1/1000, it means that after each kill you have a 1/1000 chance of getting the item. It does not mean that you will get the item every 1000 kills. 21:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

that is my thought exactly. you hear of people getting it on there 100th drop and some after 12k kills no drop. thus that leads me to conclude that it is globe killings that cause the drop. another point is its a bonus drop. so what if it means that every 1000th kill in the world the add a visage to it? eandm7

That would make it impossible to get a rare drop twice within a short period of time, which I'm fairly certain is not the case. 74.176.209.173 18:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's something for all of you, is dragon slayer needed to get a visage? I have never heard of someone getting it without completing the quest so is this in fact a truth or myth?

It is a myth, I have gotten visage on my char when i was 1 def pure and had 76 range. Camped them from 60-76 range and got many d legs and skirts and finally a visage, so no need to do dragon slayer to get a drop. Now im back camping them untill i get another visage even if i have to go all the way to 99 range :)- Znake_Zlavik

I don't think your theory is correct, Because I've gotten a visage, and a friend has gotten a visage when we were in the evil chicken's lair, in the same minute. 1000 black dragons could not have been killed in less than a minute. Claw B 21:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC))

A couple friends went to KBD and got visage on second kill...That would make their drop rate 1/2 which is complete BS so it has to be totally random.
 * No, it wouldn't. To even think of calculating a drop rate you would have to get a minimum of 2 visages; the more the better. 23:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

another point of view.
I have played RS since 2001. I have looked through scripting engines involved with the game and every other thing you can imagine. Drop rates ARE COMPLETELY RANDOM. They have nothing to do with the account, or any other factors. Let's start with an example from steels / irons. I went there on a range / mage hybrid of mine, killed over 1k irons and got absolutely nothing. was out of pots on a trip and decided to kill a fw steels. killed 5 steels, got a visage, a legs, and a skirt. KBD: i have been to kbd many times on many accounts. I have gotten a total of 8 visages there, and 4 KBD heads. two of the visages were from one team trip with lootshare, and most were solo.

Imagine a spinner, such as used for the game Twister. every possible drop from a monster is on a wheel, not counting outside drops. bones and hides are 100% drops at black dragons, they are not on a wheel. charms are on their own wheel. there is a spot on the wheel for nothing, and varying sized spots for the 4 basic color charms. the wheel with outside drops has a very very small spot of a visage, and the rest of the wheel is nothing. the drops wheel has every drop possible on it, with more common drops having larger spots. It is possible to get infinitely many visages in a rrow, although extremely unlikely. each time you kill a dragon, all the wheels spin, wherever the charms one lands, you get that. you could get any drop any number of times in a row, just as in Twisterm you could get, for instance, left hand green, every turn you play.

nope
Note: They also got kbd heads JUST before visage, so if you get kbd heads, hang in there for one more kill, it'll be worth it.

nope thats not true ive goten 2 kbd heads, i from loot share other solod next kill no visage.. thats not how it works

Just putting this out there.

The Draconic visage is a "bonus" drop. This means that it is included in a dragon's main drop, and it is never the main drop itself, meaning it can be dropped as well as another item, like dragon platelegs. As such, it is believed, and has been confirmed by Jagex, that the visage is NOT affected by the Ring of wealth.

13:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)174.112.116.132 13:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)italiano3362


 * Yes, it says so on the article page. 13:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

What If?
Just throwing this idea out there (because everything else has pretty much been said) What if there are no "random" drops. Like..and i might sound dumb by saying this but...what if there was something that decided the time when one would drop, like its never a random drop. kind like if the number of..say, d skirts started to diminish...whats saying that they couldnt do something to the extent of say at this time, this place, this will drop. and yes i know that it would be impossible because 1. no one could be able to moniter all of the item populations.; 2. you couldnt really mid way write it into the game code. but idk just kinda wondering what u guys thought....or even if anyone uses this anymore

Draconic Visage
Ok, I think that getting a visage is purely luck. I have killed an estimated 6.5k irons and steels, having gone from 69-89 range just at metals. I have gotten about 3 d legs, and 2 skirts, and 1 visage. I got the visage at 85 range, so it took me about 4.5k kills to get one. I think it's purely luck and I'm just one unlucky person. I agree with the wheel idea of drops.

~Hawkman8706

my theory on drops!
ok like said above there are spinners that spin. but there isnt just one there is 3 of them. 1 is a charm drop spinner, the other is a common drop spinner, and the last is a rare drop spinner. ok now when u kill the monster the charm and common drop spinners spin. what ever spot the spinners land on is wat u get, but on the common drop spinner there is a very small spot that takes u to the rare drop spinner. so when u hit that spot the rarte drop spinner spins. on the rare drop spinner would be every rare drops that the monster can drop. so that is how it works in my opinion.

--Bigzekeman 16:16, 30 June 2009 (UTC)bigzekeman--Bigzekeman 16:16, 30 June 2009 (UTC)