Talk:TzHaar Fight Cave

Obsolete?
Maybe I'm a moron, but... why is this page in the obsolete category? The game existed yesterday, and I'm pretty sure it's still there. - Nubarron, 71.240.196.251 04:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Featured?
how in hell did this ever get featured? Its a mess
 * Its never been featured. Please see this for help on dating your post, or just add 5 tildes after it. 12:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

09:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC) ah ty for showing me that I was wondering how to do it

Waves
It is said that a player have to endure 62 waves before the big boss...How do you know the number of waves ? I mean is it shown on the screen like Kill Count from barrows minigame Urssaff 09:51, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Number is from experience by other players and other websites, unfortunately it is not displayed during the game. You just have to keep track of it manually. Chrislee33 06:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Other website guides
Other sites listed here to help improve this article


 * http://www.tip.it/runescape/?page=fight_pit.htm
 * http://runehq.com/RHQMiniQuestsView.php?id=00612
 * http://runescape.salmoneus.net/fight_caves.html
 * http://www.runecrypt.com/index.php?pid=465
 * http://www.runecrypt.com/index.php?pid=417
 * http://runevillage.com/rs2SpecialReports/rs2specialfightcave.php
 * http://www.zybez.net/minigames.php?id=1

Chrislee33 07:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I only have one concern...
Do you lose any of your items if you die in the fight cave? --Arpaleggia 14:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol, i just found out you dont by looking on http://runescape.salmoneus.net/fight_caves.html -.- I am dumb --Arpaleggia 18:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you have to stand on the east side Italy rock to trap Jad, or can you also trap him on the rock formation on the east sode?Jdogy15 04:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violation
Last paragraph of article under Wave Breakdown which was added 21:25, 4 June 2007 by User:Bob2006ty is verbatim from RuneHQ's guide under Guide|Killing Order http://runehq.com/RHQMiniQuestsView.php?id=00612#order last updated on Sun, May 13, 2007 on RuneHQ. Christine has already placed notice on User talk:Bob2006ty.

Section already removed at 20:05, 18 July 2007 by 70.21.55.83.

Copyvio template moved from article page to talk page as copyrighted material has already been removed. RuneScape:Copyrights doesn't have guidelines on where to place it.

The Wave Breakdown comments are not on any of the major fansites


 * http://runehq.com/RHQMiniQuestsView.php?id=00612 no individual wave breakdown. tips and tricks have grouped wave info
 * http://www.tip.it/runescape/?page=fight_pit.htm click on show - level numbers with no comments
 * http://runescape.salmoneus.net/fight_caves.html has numbers with no comments
 * http://www.runecrypt.com/index.php?pid=465 and
 * http://www.runecrypt.com/index.php?pid=417 uses letters, no comments
 * http://runevillage.com/rs2SpecialReports/rs2specialfightcave.php numbers with no comments
 * http://www.zybez.net/minigames.php?id=1 no individual wave breakdown . Chrislee33 23:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

yeah thats cos i wrote the wave breakdown for you guys, I have already eplained a m8 sent me the text, which as i didn't know at the time, was from hq. 11:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Images
Could ppl place images or add text what the recommended armour / inventory is for lvls 49-, 50-79, 80-109, 110-138? Or something like that?

Thanx 07:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Out of date? And a few shortcomings
May i know as to WHY this article is outdated? otherwise its safe to just remove the tag

Furthermore, i notice that the article is suffers from lack of info on HOW to deal with the fight ecaves

granted that each player has his own style, and that there is no "best" style for dealing with the caves.....

but still, a few guidelines would help greatly(note meticulous details in the barrows and temple trekking guide)

ofcourse, if there IS a seperate article for dealing with the fight caves, atleast a link has to be placed in the page stating so

FireyfoxImage:Armadyl symbol.PNG|34px 07:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

My experiences (and resulting edits)
OK, I have now a little bit of experience with this mini-game, so I thought I'd try editing the article a bit. Though article seems a bit of a misnomer here; "(very poor) guide to acquiring the cape" might be a better description. Not that I mind though, after all, that's what I am looking for...

I recently went in to beat wave 31 for my Karamja Diary, and was surprised at how easy it had become for me (having tried 2 or 3 times earlier). I used Fire Wave and Mystic 'armour', which actually worked rather well despite making some mistakes in the beginning, eg not using a safespot. Today I made another (half-hearted) attempt using red d'hide, Rune c'bow with Topaz bolts, later switching to Ruby bolts. My Defence is 74, Magic is 75 and Ranged is 63. Oh and 75 Hitpoints and 61 Prayer. On my Diary raid, I allowed myself to be killed in wave 32, and today I just wasn't trying, so died in wave 21. Prayer potions are a must. If you can avoid making mistakes, food might be optional, though I don't know this yet.

Based on these experiences, I will edit some of the Notes in the Monsters section. 13:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I will now also edit the Wave breakdown based on certain assumptions. Remember though that I have never completed wave 32. If someone could edit this section to make the prayer icons smaller, I'd appreciate it. 14:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The Wave breakdown section is just to tell people each monster they will face in each wave, and not where strategies/tips/etc should be placed. However, you're free to add any tips/hints to the other article sections. -- 19:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, I was hoping my Talk parallel to my edit would elicit some feedback. I've lifted my breakdown into a subpage off my userpage for my own use.  20:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Training
Maybe it could be mentioned that it is possible to train in the Fight CavesDifferent340 04:55, 7 September 2008 (UTC) I believe that whoever put in the experience section implied that you can train here. I agree it is a good place to train to an extent, and perhaps this should be mentioned. i will add to the article as i get more information on the XP gains. --*cubic* 22:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Exaggeration?
"immensely difficult", "impossible for all but the most versed in combat tactics"... Really, this minigame isn't that hard. Outmanoeuvring the beast in Summer's End is more difficult. Does the article need to sound so grand and foreboding? Alex D T  04:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Incomplete
This article has an incomplete section, i.e. the experience by wave section. I suggest that this either be removed entirely or updated. Having failed to achieve 1/3 of the waves, I deem it uneccessary to be on the page, and will only provide confusion. this would be helpful if the total exp was shown, or every wave was completed in terms of the amount of exp given. --*cubic* 17:28, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Consistency in order of suggested equipment
I appreciate the fact that someone has made the effort to describe recommended setups, but they do confuse me slightly. I am sure that Ranger boots are better than dragon boots, ie best listed first, but later on Black d'hide is listed before Armadyl when I would expect Armadyl to be better. Is the order random? Could someone organise them consistenly? Please? -- 08:23, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

image
There was an image added to the rewards part of this, and it messes up the writing a little, its got the whole paragraph, then the word 'jad' seperated from it all because of the image. I tried fixing it but i got confused, could someone have a look? 13:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Imparciality
Hold on a bit, shouldn't a wiki be impartial? Instead of showing suggestions and opnions on how to defeat Jad, this article should just state FACTS about the TzHaar Fight Cave. I think that a guide on how to should be either on a separated part of the article or in a complete different one, cause really, this one is quite a mess. Anyway, I'm new around here, so I figured would be better to discuss it before going changing all the text. So? --In Rainbows 12:12, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Slayer Experience
The slayer experience needs to be added for the monster's respective pages; apparently Kuradal assigns them. Mage24365 02:44, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Tz-Kek
It says in the lv 45's info that the lv 22 ones do have a recoil effect, but in the lv 22's info, it says that they do not. Can someone check this out? --I Fight 329 16:55, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

There is no recoil effect when using melee on the lvl 22's, only the lvl 45 and again, only when using melee. Gentleway 18:25, February 18, 2010 (UTC)