Talk:Seren

Picture: nice art, but not Seren
...Ok...while the picture is an AMAZING work of graphic art...it's definitely not from runescape. Keep or don't keep? 01:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is from RuneScape. I remember it. Keep.01:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Fo real?! Wow...lol I'm stupid...didn't think runescape had that kind of graphics...but then again I still need to do regicide...01:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It is. It's from Postbag from the Hedge #5, "Chaotic chat, family trouble and secrets revealled!". Someone asked what Seren looked like and they posted that picture as part of the response. 01:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok I knew it couldn't have been in-game...cool pic though! 01:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and btw. It is a picture of Seren, so it should be kept, I say. It is from JAGeX, after all. 01:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think everyone would agree. Discount this. 01:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

This reminded me of Saren from Mass Effect 1 IRanOverTheEasterBunny 07:45, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Her alliance & Edics of Guthix questions?
In simple terms, is she good or bad? =p

I know some elves are definitely bad, but they seem to be following "Lord Zamorak", where as the good elves are undoubtely loyal to Seren. So I think something should be written in a nuetral point of veiw showing the evidence of her possible behavior.--Kodeman76 01:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It would, frankly, be silly to talk in terms of good and bad about a god's/goddess' allignment/alliance. It's normative. An allignment/alliance is to be 'made' godo or bad by observers, let's say for mortals to decide. A follower of Zamorak would see him as good, and would probably condescendingly joke and acknowlegde that Saradominists would find them evil. So an allignment/alliance would be more like a profession, what you do with it makes it good or bad, just like in the real world: there is no objective morality. I think that would most likely describe it to the fullest. Her allignment/alliance is the Anima Mundi, soul of the world (?). So, honestly I dont really know why Guthix would have banend her from Gielinor. Guthix cried when he saw (t)his world broken up by the God wars, and since Seren has at least a similar affinity for 'nature'/(t)his world... it would not seem she would be a risk for balance. She could even be seen as an entity to help the balance. So did she leave out of free will and political correctness? Or did Guthix ban her too, out of a form of political (theological) correctness? She sealed the Great Libary, so did Guthix gave her some time to do this, dit he gave the others the same opportunity... I heard Guthix met wiht the Elves in the beginning of Gielinor, was Seren a friend or favourite?


 * I did hear an excellent analogy for how Seren relates to the Edicts the other day. As you may be aware, Seren is bound by the Edicts and therefore cannot have any direct influence with the elves, or any other races on Gielenor. However, Seren is said to be the divine aspect of the anima mundi, the life force of Guthix - or something like that. Imagine Guthix to be the body of a human, or the brain perhaps. The brain controls the body and deals with any issues that might arise. Seren would be the soul of the body. No one really knows what a soul is for, but you wouldn;t want to lose it, would you? She is the spirtual part of the Anima Mundi or the part that continues after it's death. I was quite impressed with how simple it sounds put like that Edmyg 20:54, October 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds nice, but the elves said that Guthix and Seren spoke together, and told them about other inhabitants (humans) of Gielinor. In Meeting/Making history you can see an elf mentioning something like this. I think it's meant to be more... poetic. Like the spirit trees and other animals are effected by the experiments with the... Anima mundi. but idk 08:46, October 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's not strictly true. The elf in question said Guthix told them about humans, referring to the ones in Meetng History, but no mention of Seren was made. There is evidence of the elves having awareness of other gods aside from Seren, such as the Zaros symbol on Glarial's grave, but to go as far as saying the gods conversed is pushing it. Edmyg 13:01, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Female
i think we should inculde somewhere in there that seren is the only goddess outside of the Menaphite Pantheon


 * That might indeed be intersting info, if u ask me. 13:41, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Seren Godsword
I've deleted the part about the Seren Godsword Hilt again as some people seem to think it's "proof". Just for the record, the reason it will never exist is because Seren did not participate in the God Wars, with the Elves being pretty much in isolation during the 3rd Age. If anyone has any further questions, leave them here and I'll try and keep an eye on the page and answer them Edmyg 20:48, October 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well... the Elves were like Switzerland only protecting their borders... So I've heard. And that's why they/she did not actively persue a Godsword. 08:46, October 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, the only source suggesting the Elves participated in the God Wars is through Funorb, which does tend to mess around with lore. Elven lore is by far the most contradictory, but I'd go by the lore established in-game rather than out-game, if you understand me. Edmyg 12:58, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah.. they really need to fix up the lores/rewrite them. That makes the game much more fun... a porper story line if u ask me. But it has to make a little non-contradictory sense :( I thought I read all those things in lores ones. But I can be wrong. And that's why we should use reverences :$ 18:36, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Seren banished?
Are there any evidence that seren got banished? She is the most of her kind that bring balance,so why guthix banish her?maybe she left the world herself for some reason.

Seren not banished from Gielnor

Reading the FAQ for "The World Wakes", I believe there is some heavy implications of Seren's whereabouts and the now-confirmed fact that she was not banished from Gielnor and is therefore most likely the aspect of nature.

This quote is given the the response by a Jagex Mod:

"Where the heck was Seren, and all of the other Gods while the world was waking? 

Mod Osborne: The other gods will not hesitate in making a return. Some gods have a longer way to come, are less prepared, or simply do not want to return, but you can guarantee that some familiar faces will follow Saradomin. As for Seren, she has been here on Gielinor all along - so, no need to make a 'return'!"

Further reading for reference: http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?15,16,710,64444133

If anyone wants to add this information then great. I'm horrible at editing. 77.98.106.215 22:15, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * So Seren's ben here all along and is apparently present in the crystal, what if the crystal seed inside priffdinas is Seren herself? She's gone into a slumber thing similar to Guhtix's and in the process gathered all the crystal she used to make the city back into herself ?


 * This is obviously just speculation but I kinda like the idea. Thoughts?   04ismailjj6 (talk) 13:24, March 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Clearly that's wrong. The new lore from the tribute of guthix event implies that seren is also hidden away like guthix, possibly in the same place but more likely in her own underground fortress thingy. Also the world of crystal with immortal philosphers mentioned in the guthixian memories might be serens homeworld perhaps, but maybe nots Thoughts?04ismailjj6 (talk) 18:10, March 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Maybe, but Seren is still in Gielinor, she never left, maybe the crystal "city" in Gielinor, the oen the elves protect might be where Seren is, or She is in a Human like form. Until quests shows about her, more can be revealed.Kinglink15 (talk) 19:48, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I remember reading that: she never left. 08:51, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Alignment
I understand she is related to the Anima Mundi but does she really need to be Alignment to that? I am not having a problem with it, I just think nature as an alignment is better for understanding as guthix stated he can relate to her from her alignment Kinglink15 (talk) 16:48, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Anima Mundi is basically all living things, especially things like plant life, so replacing it with nature is just writing Anima Mundi in a different way.   22:17, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * That seems a bit troubling to me too... there already was nature before Guthix came. And when Gielinor was being destroyed during the God Wars the world cried out to Guthix, waking him and him banishing the gods. Nature was connected to Guthix too, in a similar way as Seren seems to be, yet Guthix alignment isn't 'nature, 'anima mundi' or 'live', it's Balance (not even 'peace' which is what he seems to want even more for this world). 22:42, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * In a way, Lord Nexus as a point, Anima, Mundi, is lfie in all things, and it was stated by Jagex they both (guthix and Seren) are connected to it, so it is safe to say both alignment is Anima Mundi but Guthix would also be balance. After all, it was that woke Guthix.Kinglink15 (talk) 22:46, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * It doesn't really matter if you change it to Nature or leave it as Anima Mundi since they are both closely related. 22:51, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, you both have a point. But my point is slightly different. They may be connected to it without it being their alignment. Saradomin is connected to the Elder Crown (that allows him to locate other Elder Atefacts), and his alleged first place of entry to Gielinor is Entrana and even during his banishment he apparently stopped combat gear from coming in there... but that doesn't mean Entrana or the Elder crown are also his alignment. I thought the definition of alignment loosely meant, something like: Goal, or ultimate idea of good. For Saradomin that would be Order (well... maybe not but it's the best we've got). If you think I'm a bit vague... then I can understand :P 22:55, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, true, but you are comparing, a source of life, to an item, he isn't connected to the elder Crown, he wears it, and Etrana, it's an island, Alignment means side you pick, Saradomin picks the side of Order, his goal is peace, but through order, forcing it. Anima Mundi is life in all things, and not an object, it's like an life source, so, sense Seren is Nature, which is Anima Mundi, it is safe to say she is on the side of Anima, Guthix seemed and looks to be on both side. So I think i rest my case.Kinglink15 (talk) 23:04, April 22, 2013 (UTC)