Talk:RuneScape Brazilian

Im on Brazil, and here is a traceroute for a "brazilian" world, which was supposed to be on Brazil.

$ traceroute world133.runescape.com traceroute to world133.runescape.com (64.79.147.122), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets

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7 ethernet3-2-0-hga-mg-rota-h01.telemar.net.br (200.216.102.229) 8.884 ms 9.045 ms 10.933 ms

8 gigabitethernet1-0-1-hga-mg-rotd-h01.telemar.net.br (201.18.251.129) 10.759 ms 18.729 ms 19.531 ms

9 gigabitethernet1-0-0-hga-mg-rotn-h01.telemar.net.br (201.18.252.89) 12.372 ms 15.582 ms 16.509 ms

10 pos14-0-hga-mg-rotn-01.telemar.net.br (201.18.246.17) 19.300 ms 14.497 ms 18.436 ms

11 so-0-1-0-0-bot-rj-rotn-01.telemar.net.br (200.164.197.218) 20.325 ms 25.808 ms 20.117 ms

12 200.223.131.10 (200.223.131.10) 20.199 ms 22.073 ms 25.104 ms

13 nota.10ge.mia.wvfiber.net (198.32.124.167) 157.150 ms 160.201 ms 160.730 ms

14 boc-ten1-5-mia-ten3-1.wvfiber.net (66.216.1.246) 166.715 ms 165.930 ms 167.527 ms

15 atl-ten2-6-boc-ten1-4.wvfiber.net (66.216.1.253) 185.718 ms 192.013 ms 194.580 ms

16 nsh-ten4-1-atl-ten3-2.wvfiber.net (64.127.130.58) 209.122 ms 311.203 ms 315.385 ms

17 dal-ten2-1-nsh-ten1-4.wvfiber.net (64.127.130.50) 321.503 ms 322.353 ms 323.471 ms

18 phx-ten1-1-dal-ten2-4.wvfiber.net (64.127.128.238) 334.616 ms 336.846 ms 337.795 ms

19 la-ten3-3-phx-ten2-1.wvfiber.net (64.127.128.145) 346.687 ms 350.650 ms 351.137 ms

20 veg-ten1-3-la-ten1-3.wvfiber.net (66.186.192.22) 365.126 ms 367.082 ms 372.072 ms

21 cust-lv-ten1-4.wvfiber.net (66.186.192.46) 365.701 ms 368.317 ms 366.014 ms

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-- 189.80.25.135 03:23, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

So ? A Jmod confirmed that the servers were hosted in Brasil *even UOL* (citation please?) confirmed this fact, only a fool would trust traceroute over 2 companies. Last time i checked traceroute were easily tricked by 5 lines of code in the router root. This is a nice website thevtcgroup.com/terremarkPeers.php

-- Garibaldo

Btw, i'm not a "fool". I have a masters degree in the area, and eventually, i contribute code to open source projects. You can check some of my contributions in my ohloh page, you can also do some google reseach on me... I know that you are a Fmod on jagex forums and that you are not bound by jagex rules here on the wiki, but please, in the future try to be as respectful with others as they are to you. :)

-- 189.80.25.135 03:23, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Jagex dont lie anonymous gui's do....

Hmm i think the first gui's confused the I.P of the World with the I.P from the LOG IN server

-- Garibaldo

Jagex, as any other companies are made of people. People in general do lie, either because of misinformation or because of other interests.

Internet routers on the other hand, do not lie, never!!! There would be no technical way to make things work if routers point you in the wrong direction, your packet would never reach the proper destination.

No, I haven't confused the IP of the login server with the game server.

Let me present you the full test bed:

Operating system: Ubuntu linux

tools:
 * standard unix lsof


 * standard unix traceroute

Only the minimum set of software is running on the machine, everything is set-up so the only outgoing connection is the runescape server.

A connection with the GAME is established. This is past the login screen, and past the lobby, i can actually move around in game, buy stuff at G.E., etc..

Then LSOF is used to list all connections that the JAVA virtual machine has established.

$ lsof | grep java_vm | grep TCP

java_vm 16341 [removed] 56u IPv6 9688793 TCP [removed]:37685->cust-64.79.147.122.switchnap.com:43594 (ESTABLISHED)

$

As you can see, the only TCP connection made by the java virtual machine is to cust-64.79.147.122.switchnap.com at port 43594.

The ip matches the traceroute above.

There is a technical way in which a server wold be hosted on one country but have a IP from another country. It could be a VPN, but I don't think that this is the case, as it would cause every network packet to bounce from Brazil to United States and back to Brazil. This is very inefficient, and I don't think jagex would make such a "noob" mistake. :)

-- 189.80.25.135 03:23, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

So jagex lie the company that hosts the server lies and both are 2 big companies ? Tracerouter don't LIE ? No but last time i check but WoW and Runescape have log in servers and dummy servers to prevent ddossing now really search the net FIVE LINES that all the coding it takes to trick a trace router.

Remember that the Runescape Servers are not Single website or anything similar a Runescape servers is much more complex oh and the G.E and the POH both have their own servers atleast that what jagex said of course in your opinion they lie....

-- Garibaldo

Well, first of all, i don't really consider any of the companies involved as "big". Both companies have less than 200 employees, so they are considered "small" companies by most people.

Then, it doesn't take 5 lines of "coding" to trick traceroute, in fact it takes "one line" of a router/firewall rule.

The problem about "tricking traceroute" is that it needs to be done *on the way* to the final destination, it would not work at all if done at the final destination site. Ie, to trick *my* traceroute to point me a wrong path jagex would need to do the "coding" on telemar.net routers. Why don't you try to traceroute to world133.runescape.com, you will notice that you don't even pass through telemar.net's IPs, so, to trick *your* traceroute, they wold also need to do the "coding" on your backbone provider routers. Same for every possible route on the world. You really think that jagex can do this for such a big group of routers on the internet?

I don't think that they lie. I think that a single *misinformed* JMOD, once posted wrong information on a forum message; then a jagex fan read it as the ultimate truth, as if it was told by god himself.

Maybe I'm missing something, can you point me every reference that you know that claims that the servers are hosted on Brazil? Only one i could find is the forum quickfind code from the article.

Why are you so interested in this anyway? You don't live in Brazil, you don't play on these worlds (you have less than 50ms ping on english servers)....

189.80.25.135 14:28, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well i actually do play in Brasilian servers it wasnt just a jmod it was jagex itself they anounced that the servers where on Brasil when they lunch the worlds the jmod only confirmed the same fact months later after the server where released. If you go to the main pt/br you will see the levelup company ads a company that creates games and has announced that they where hosting runescape world.

Last time i check levelup was a company of UOL and last time i check UOL was a ISP that hosts game servers.

-- Garibaldo

Please, just check again. The servers currently are not hosted by UOL. They never stated that it was.

-- 189.80.25.135 16:02, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

This page has been here for months never redited because it was right you are the only one that is now trying to force your opinion on others.

-- Garibaldo

That's not an opinion, its a fact that can be easily confirmed by anyone using a traceroute tool.

-- 189.80.25.135 16:02, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

OH LAST TIME I CHECK JAGEX HAD OVER 350 employees CLEARY YOU ARE THE MISINFORMED

-- Garibaldo

Even if it has 900 employees, thats still not considered "big" by most people.

-- 189.80.25.135 16:02, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Oh and please dont change the "Players who are living in South America do not lose connection (lag) on these servers as they would in the English servers.Since South America doesn't offer cheap high speed internet like in U.S.A., players with slow internet use this as an alternative, whereas if you have dial-up, you still lose connection, but not as much."

It was there before you or I edit this topic and and it is right EVEN IF THE SERVERS WHERE IN AMERICA YOU COULDNT POSSIBLE HAVE THE SAME LAG HAS YOU DO ON A ENGLISH SERVERS THAT IS JUST DUMB.

-- Garibaldo

People do lag and lose connection on on the "brazilian" servers, but it's not as much as they do on english servers. The text is correct. If you have a better way to say this (without saying that people DO NOT lag on BR servers) then edit it. Remember that you do not live in South America, and as so you cannot state/prove that South Americans have good connections. I know, from my own experience (I live in South America), and from friends reports that all BR servers do LAG A LOT.

Again i ask you to make external references to base your claims, please post the jagex anouncement claiming that the servers are on Brazil; The UOL statement that they host the servers. And a detailed explanation on how jagex can "trick traceroute" by "5 line coding".

-- 189.80.25.135 16:02, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

A external reference ? Like what a jmod confirming what i said ? Oh wait i already did search yourself for more information you are th one that has not post a single piece of prove that the servers are not in Brasil apart from your tracerouter that isnt consider a 100% sure thing like you already mentioned.

I ask you post a single prove that is 100% realible that the servers are not in Brasil.

And please don't say i "my friend" know or "my friend" did

Guess what "my friend" says if you send a email to [mailto:scam@scam.com scam@scam.com] with your password and username you will become a mod do you believe "my friend" too ? Last go to the portuguese servers and search then you willl find 3 complains of lag in the last 6 months if you search in the french or dutch ones you will find over 10 in a single month strange isnt it ?

STOP VANDALISMING THIS TOPIC.

Players who are living in South America do not suffer has much lag on these servers as they would in the English servers.Since South America doesn't offer cheap high speed internet like in U.S.A., players with slow internet use this as an alternative, whereas if you have dial-up, you still lose connection, but not as much."

Better right ? Is there anything on this that isnt true ?

-- Garibaldo

An administrative request was made for the wiki admins, lets let them decide on this.

Best regards, 189.80.25.135 17:10, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

It seems fine by me

Made small edit removing personal opinions of another user since personal opinions are not facts waiting for a administrator now.

Anyone with a little networking knowledge knows that the traceroute is a 100% accuarate proof of the server's location. Glade541 17:51, March 14, 2010 (UTC)