RuneScape:Requests for chat moderator/Flaysian

Flaysian
Flaysian is a very active and helpful member of the chat. He has shown great maturity, and has shown himself to be good at conflict resolution. I believe he would make good use of the tools. 17:42, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

''I accept this nomination for chat moderator. I have read the policies concerning chat moderators. I realise that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my tools because I realise that this is a serious offence. If the community finds that I have done so, my tools will be revoked, and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban. Signed, 17:45, September 19, 2011 (UTC)''.

Discussion
Oppose - Candidate does not have a need for the tools. 17:43, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Could I ask you to elaborate slightly on what you mean by that? 20:55, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think you've shown a great, or even a small need for them. I don't see you warn people or try to break up fights (in fact, sometimes you're starting them (even if it's by accident)), I haven't seen you relay the rules or anything, I've never seen or heard of you message anyone to get someone banned/warned. 21:13, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * - Text wall is en-route for that. I can't think straight at this time of night.  21:35, September 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * -sigh- Can we avoid text-walling? Text walls are not always the answer. If you can say something with using less than 30k characters, it is usually best. The extra fluff you add in can usually be removed so we can get the effect of your core message without having to dig through the fluff. Let's look at this from a real world point of view, if your parents left you an important message that was important for you to get through and understand, would you like it if they went into all sorts of irrelevant details like how their day was? Or would you want them to give you the codes to disable the bomb strapped to your chest? Most likely if we worry about digging through the fluff, the bomb is going to explode leaving us with nothing gained and with a dead body to hide. When was the last time you tried to hide a body? I can assure you it's not as easy as Hollywood makes it out to be. First off you have to "take care" of any witnesses and that is not always pretty I can ensure you. Sometimes they just don't want to keep quiet so you have to "convince" them otherwise, and that can get messy. Hey, you worked hard for that shirt, why spoil it with blood? I guess you could say it's Kool-Aid, but it dries a different colour so you'd have to take care of it quickly to get rid of suspicion. Then again... who has blood the consistency of Kool-Aid? I'm fairly certain it's not normal to have blood of that consistency. Anyway, once you've "quieted the witnesses" you have to deal with actually hiding the body, and throwing it into the river is just so cliche. I suppose we could cut the body into tiny pieces and place them inside concrete blocks that are to be used in the construction of a new elementary school. Imagine that story! "Body parts found in Elementary School Walls" I'm sure it would be a story that could make national news. Anyway, you'd probably have to fake some kind of suicide note or something so that people don't just think he left. Maybe have it say he went swimming out in the ocean, and drowned himself? I dunno. Anyway, remember text-walling is bad because it distracts from your key points. Just bring those out. 22:05, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ignoring Zamorak's derpiness, I'm going to get on with the above comment, and hopefully the text wall will be relatively short and crumbly. I really hate to have to respond to the very first comment of opposition, but I can't idly let untrue comments about me go unnoticed.


 * Point 1 - No need for the tools: I can't fathom what you intended to mean by that. I'm online an unfortunately large amount of times when there's not a single moderator present. (Like while I'm writing this comment, for instance). No one who's passed an RfCM needs the tools, they apply because they know that they are responsible and honest enough to moderate the chat fairly. This is far too similar to the "too many sysops" argument, and I do not consider it a fair reason to base an oppose on at all.
 * Point 2 - Warning or breaking up fights (and apparently starting some, see below) : I know this to be completely implausible and utterly untrue. Whenever there is any sort of conflict bubbling within the chat, I'm always one of the first to inform the user in question that they're going against the rules of the chat, and point them towards the relevant policy. I have no idea how you could honestly think otherwise, because it's a fairy regular occurence to see me babbling about policies like UTP and SAOW.
 * Point 3 - "Starting arguments": In this point, Fergie is referring to an incident yesterday when I accused a user of scamming, after he had apparently admitted it. The start of the conversation went as follows:

Me: http://runescape.wikia.com/index.php?title=Cheats_and_scams&action=historysubmit&diff=4752789&oldid=4739858 Legit? User: Wtf lol i came up with that


 * After he said this, I asked him if he was openly saying he scammed players, as appeared to be the case. He simply said "the dungeoneering thing, yeah", leading me to believe he was admitting to it. I then proceeded to inform him of the policies of the wiki and Jagex, and warned him not to mention it again (Fergie's second and third point). After this, he said he only took part in the gambling side of it, and that it wasn't a scam. I apologised for my misinterpretation, and left it at that. I do not consider that to be "starting an argument" in any way. If I should instead have said he had a nice idea and to keep talking about it, then I apologise, but I didn't find this accusation in any way true either.
 * Point 4 - Requesting bans/warnings: All I can say is that this is dishonest nonsense. Many's the time I've had to request in the IRC or the CC that an admin comes in to deliver justice on offenders, as the admins themselves know. I've grown quiet tired of it, actually, and if this does pass, hopefully such incidents will be able to cease.

To wrap up this wall, I'd like to point out this. I'm assuming the above claims, and the Fergie's comment there, were made simply because of timezone differences, but I'd ask that opposing voters get to know me a bit better before posting, to prevent unfounded comments. Thanks for reading, although I don't expect anyone did. 17:10, September 20, 2011 (UTC)