Talk:Zamorak

Edits
Just to let everyone know, I did some edits to this article. I added the vestment items into the article as items affiliated with Zamorak since, well.. They are.. But they appear to have been omitted. Hope that's okay. JadeTora 07:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC) Jade

Decided to clean it up a little so I gave the Vestments a little separate part to the rest. Looks neater that way. JadeTora 07:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC) Jade

He is not a villain but rather a god that defies classifiction.(dienity defies classifaction.
 * Why? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  09:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course hes a villain, and a villain is evil. Zamorak is evil. The Evil Dude 13:19 25 February 2007 (UTC)

However as seen in the God Letters he is not the God of pure evil. Just chaos

Zamorak is a God of evil. This is stated by several NPCs in RS, and I think he even admits he's evil in one of the God Letters (not completely sure about the God Letters bit). Telos 08:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Zamorak is a god of chaos. He is misunderstood and misinterpreted across Gielinor, and yes, many (Saradominist) NPCs are likely to believe he is evil. However, NPCs are just in-game people, and liable to take their own spin on things. Dr.Professor

How much is full rune zammy now, I heard the priced droped..`=O-- 21:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Whatever happened to the old pic? the new one looks like a weird imp

This is the only image that I know of. Zeldafanjtl 04:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The image got updated. --

Mortal Zamorak
It says that Zamorak was once a human, but how could he be, if in the "History of RuneScape" section of the RuneScape Manual, it says he was one of the gods who created Gielinor? 00:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Zamorak was a Majharrat (spelling?), not a human. Guthix created Gielinor. 00:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The History of RuneScape guide is very vague and innacurate. It's meant to be what is taught to the children of RuneScape, but because alot of RuneScape history is not common knowledge anymore, it's not very accurate. It gives a disclaimer at the top of the article. Morian Smith 01:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Back in my time (a half of a decade ago), people assumed that Guthix shaped the world to his liking then went to sleep, Saradomin and Zamorak then came around and then shaped the world as they liked it felinoel ~ (Talk) 19:48, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I dont really know how to use this, but like theres now a giant golden zamorak statue outside the choas temple near the wildy border!

...Zamorak is the God of Chaos, why else would you find his statue in a Chaos Temple. I don't think I would be too surprised if I found a statue of Saradomin on Entrana.

Charlegme 11:48, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

The Story
I'll lay this down for y'all. Basically what happened was that in the First Age, Guthix came to Gielinor and found it was more-or-less blank (the jury is out on whether races like the Dragonkin or TzHaar were already there), and shaped it to his liking. Then, he went to sleep for several thousand years, and the First Age ended. In the early Second Age, gods like Zaros, Saradomin, Bandos, Armadyl and those in the Desert Pantheon (again, it's not known if Seren was already in RuneScape, as Elves were present in the First Age; See Meeting History), and the god Icthlarin, son of Tumeken brought the race called the Mahjarrat into RuneScape from their realm of Freneskae, but they chose to break away from Icthlarin because of his peaceful ways and followed the more chaotic (but not to say evil) Zaros.

Before long, however, one particularly hateful and warlike Mahjarrat, called Zamorak, wanted rid of Zaros so he could replace him and be worshipped. This led to his rebellion with several followers including his fellow Mahjarrat Hazeel, a human follower called Viggora and the Vampyre Lord Lowerniel Vergidiyad Drakan and several others. They managed to steal the Staff of Armadyl and the weakest Mahjarrat, Lucien, placed a spell on it so Zaros could not detect it. Zamorak ambushed him and impaled him on the staff. Zaros, becoming angry, thrust himself at Zamorak and impaled him aswell. Zaros' powers were drained from him and through the staff, now embedded in Zamorak's chest, and into the Mahjarrat. Zamorak then rose to become the god of chaos and this initiated the God Wars and the Third Age which we should all know a little about by now.

As for Saradomin, well, opinion is divided, but some say Armadyl gave his godly powers to Saradomin when he fled Gielinor (after the war, following the extinction of the Aviantese. When the God Wars was at its most violent, Guthix was woken up by the sound of the fighting, and came to the surface. He saw the battle-scarred land and the destruction the gods had caused, and he became angry. He commanded the gods to stop, and they did so. He then established the Edicts of Guthix before departing underground again, stopping briefly in a cave to rest. He thought about his beautiful world, destroyed by the carnage, and he wept. Then, he went back into the planet's core and fell to sleep once again. The Guthixian Edicts dictate that none of the gods can interfere with their followers directly, and they can't fight with eachother any more. However, there are Zamorakian and Saradominist conspirators working to break these rules; See Legacy of Seergaze. That's about all there is to it. There's stuff with Bandos and the Goblins, but that's another storyline altogether, and one for another time. Hope this helps everyone.

Asparagoose  Asparagoose 00:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually Lucien is not the weakest Mahjarrat (he's probably the strongest).89.212.143.38 11:35, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, he is the weakest. The reason he's so strong in While Guthix Sleeps is because he has the Staff of Armadyl, a godweapon. He is physically the weakest, described by Viggora as a weakling who "struggled to lift a sword", and he's level like 14 in Temple of Ikov. [[File:Silver sickle.png‎‎]] Asparagoose   11:47, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Image
The image of Zamorak from the God letters was pretty cool looking, why aren't you guys using that picture here as well as the modern look for Zamorak? felinoel ~ (Talk) 19:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I see, so if I were to just add this old version of Zamorak no one would mind? felinoel ~ (Talk) 05:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean the one from the pre-RS2 God Letters? I think that would be fine, I don't see why not.

Wikipedia links?
Why is there a link to the Wikipedia article on Hades? I know Zamorak is associated with demons, but what does that have to do with Hades? Also, I don't think the link to chaos is needed either. 08:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the Wikipedia link to Hades, unless anyone has any reasonable objections. 06:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with that, but the link to Chaos makes sense since Zamorak is the god of Chaos.Till Hell Freezes Over 20:39, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Zamarak: God of chaos and good? Perhaps?
Does Zammy have any protagonist followers? After all, he isn't evil, per se. Seeing how he kill Zaros, he must have something against evil as a lifestyle? Anyone? --76.127.155.176 23:18, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Just because you kill a bad guy (assuming Zaros is evil) doesn't make you a good guy. Zamorak did it because he wanted to be a god. WWTDD? 23:40, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Zaros was not evil. It's a common misconception that he was the god of evil, but it's not the case. And as for your question, no, Zamorak is not evil. Nor is Saradomin good. They're the gods of Chaos and Order, they just represent two extremes on each side of the spectrum. And on your notes about protagonists, it depends on what you class as a protagonist. Some characters who follow him are benevolent, even helpful to the player, but they're still kind of nasty and you get the feeling that they don't like you. If I had to pick an example for this, then I'd go with Malignus Mortifer. He's angry, testy and mean, but still eventually helps you. Sort of.
 * Counteracted easily by the Zamorak Mage and Dark Mage, both of whom seem at least ambivelent, if not friendly.Till Hell Freezes Over 03:38, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Asparagoose  20:00, September 23, 2009 (GMT)

That doesn't make him good? Of course he's good! He's the god of war and pain and death and evil. He's the one that gave you all your quests! All hail lord Zamorak!!!

Jango 122333 23:48, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Pots of zomorok
Pots with the symbol of zomorak! What is zomorak? An item, or whateverelse? Yuppers, humping with dot but point is clear, fix it up!

Anon added a piece of trivia suggesting a poll that Zamorak ranked least out of 6 gods in a poll (not yet found in poll database). However, a poll from Jul 2010 suggests otherwise. http://poll.runescape.com/a=254/results.ws?id=473 This poll ranks him fourth above Armadyl and Bandos (as well as many minor deities). Does anyone know if a recent poll of this nature did occur? 30percent 03:16, October 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Was it really neccessary to mock the person who mispelt that? Couldn't you have just edited it yourself?Till Hell Freezes Over 19:46, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Removal of Bias
Can we try to go through this article and remove all bias, please? All of the most famous actions of "evil" committed by Zamorak have NPCs willing to argue against them (the first paragraph has information on the burning of the Wizard's Tower, completely leaving out Malignus Mortifer's version of events), and the Zamorak Mage and Dark Mage of the Abyss are two of the most useful NPCs in the game. I think players deserve, at the very least, to receive an accurate and informative view of Zamorak, rather than a Saradominist viewpoint. Even if the game itself is biased towards Saradomin. Till Hell Freezes Over 03:34, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Zamorak: think
Why do people think he's evil? Chaos isn't evil itself, thought it  almost always leads to evil. Zamorak can be good, can't he? Take a few minutes to think about it.

BaconRanger 19:56, February 22, 2012 (UTC)BaconRanger