RuneScape:Requests for adminship/Cool Spy0

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Cool Spy0
Cool Spy0 has been here for well over a year, making her first edit on August 20, 2006. Since then, she has made 1,340 edits, with 851 of her edits being in mainspace pages. Cool Spy was granted rollback rights on August 17, 2007. She is a frequent editor, and is highly active on the IRC. Cool Spy keeps her cool in debates, and I trust that Cool will make good use of her sysops tools, should she be granted them.

Oh, and one last thing. As of late a handful of RFA’s have had people giving neutrals/opposes because they feel that there are too many sysops.

That’s fine if you believe that, but that’s not what this vote is about. This vote is just about whether or not you think Cool Spy should be granted administrator tools.

''I, Cool Spy0, accept this nomination for adminship. I have read the policies concerning administrators. I realize that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my powers because I realize that this is a serious offence and if the community finds that I have done so, my powers will be revoked and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban. Signed, Cool Spy0 17:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)''

Discussion
Support as nominator. 22:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Support - Has devoted plenty of work to the wiki to show she can be trusted. If I were to make a list of "users most likely to abuse admin powers", Cool Spy would most probably be at, or very close to the bottom. 22:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose: Cool Spy is not highly active on the wiki, and has issues with Tari in the IRC. She consistantly insults Tari's personality and character, solely because she doesn't like how Tari speaks in IRC. I don't think calling someone a cunt just because you don't like how they speak is appropriate. Christine Talk 23:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment - Before anyone continues voting, I would suggest they read these logs courtesy of Anonymous (Ctrl+F "Cool"):   Tarikochi 23:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Uumm... Is all of that reading necessary, or just some passages needed to be read? 23:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

To be fair, I've seen far worse stuff on IRC, yet the admins who have said worse stuff haven't been reprimanded at all. Also, as far as I was aware, Cool disliked Tarikochi for more reasons then her use of chatspeak. 00:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, to be fair, I was rather annoyed that I could not even get her to talk to me at all. As you may see by the logs, I even tried to get her to talk to me and (although not stated in the logs) I just tried to apologize to her. Seeing "Cuz I'm l33t (H)" does get irritating after the 34th time.


 * Anyway, I do agree that my behavior was out of hand those particular moments, but you'd be annoyed too if you were constantly ignored unless there was a moment for bragging or snide remarks. I can't take back what I did, but cut me a break. Having a few minutes of that is understandable, but it went on for four hours one time. If you see just what I said, yeah, you're going to think I'm nothing but a huge jerk.


 * Also, as Tesfan said, Tarikochi has acted rudely to the some of the other Wikians on there, but the only thing said in response was "Yes ma'am." Cool Spy0 00:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment - Some of the designated quotes are as:

 You're half-uncomprehensible.  This chat speak is making it hard to see what you're trying to say.  Anyway, between a Hitler worshipper, a woman with low self-esteem, a seemingly inactive person, a definitely inactive person, and a person who speaks exclusively in chat speak, there isn't much reason for me to be in this IRC chat anymroe.  *anymore

 ya, i know im 1337 (H)  ...The only thing you seem to be is arrogant.  and 1337  Cool: Yes, I think so  No, just arrogant.  and 1337  How hard is it to type /ignore Tarikochi?

<Cool_Spy0> Icecube, if you can get her to not be stuck up, I'll answer your questions. <Cool_Spy0> Right now, it seems you're not even trying though, so.. <Tarikochi> you forgetting what you owe me ice :@? <Cool_Spy0> I'm sorry Ice for getting mad earlier, but letting this cunt become a sysop was the worst decision ever.

These quotes seem contradictory to the description of him being cool-headed and decisive. <font color="green" face="Verdana" size="1">Tarikochi 00:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

A quote just now:

<Cool_Spy0> It's simple to see that Tarikochi does NOT want me as an admin even though IRC clearly has NO impact on the Wiki whatsoever. <Chiafriend12> It does seem that way, somewhat. <Cool_Spy0> It's a rivalry I tried to end, but she just wouldn't even accept my existance. <Cool_Spy0> So I gave up. <Chiafriend12> Or it could just happen to be a coincidince that she planned to nominate those two today (tho i doubt) <Cool_Spy0> Oh no. She only cares about two things: Herself and her animations. <Chiafriend12> No, a bit more <Chiafriend12> Herself, her animations......and her speak? <Cool_Spy0> Oh, yes, that too. <Chiafriend12> There's probably more <Cool_Spy0> Anyway, I've seen it before. <Chiafriend12> Like a pet, <Chiafriend12> thouugh idk her irl, so i don't know <Cool_Spy0> She insta-bans anyone who makes a SINGLE vandalism edit on HER animation, but if it's not her animation, she doesn't do a thing.

A person with adminship qualities need to be able to assume good faith. Along with that, I've seen no attempts at ending "a rivalry" without an irrelevant request as could be seen in the logs. <font color="green" face="Verdana" size="1">Tarikochi 00:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with that, besides criticism to your contributions (though not the politest thing to do). 00:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * An admin needs to be able to assume good faith, or else she/he may block someone for making a minor mistake in an article. [[Image:Bowman_hat.png|12px]]<font color="green" face="Verdana" size="1">Tarikochi 00:48, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Here is some more good faith issues:

Along with that, he appeared to have issues at a point where he thought he was unwanted, as shown here. More can be found in the deleted pages. An admin should not be disruptively attracting attention because she or he thinks she or he is unwanted. <font color="green" face="Verdana" size="1">Tarikochi 00:48, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Admins probably shouldn't talk about making gay porn with another wiki member on IRC, but that happens, doesn't it? Like I've said before, I've seen admins (and normal users) do all kinds of stuff on IRC, from screaming profanities to making personal attacks. Yet none of these people were punished on the wiki. Why is Cool so different? 00:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * This is a request for adminship, which would justify it as a test of personality required to become an admin. [[Image:Bowman_hat.png|12px]]<font color="green" face="Verdana" size="1">Tarikochi 01:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop flaming. Seriously, nobody cares.
 * Personalities can change depending on the medium of communication. Myself on the wiki, RuneScape, IRC and real life are all virtually four different people, for example - at least two of which would never even have been considered for adminship. So the IRC shouldn't really be brought into it at all. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  17:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Earthere, I feel that wasn't really nice. Let's try to be nice to each other. [[Image:Bloodbarrage.png]]Butterman62[[Image:Icebarrage.png]] 22:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

'''Support Ice 02:54, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Support - Good user, been here a long time, 800 mainspace edits is plenty to become an admin, if you're going to bring edits into it. 15:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Support Seems like a generally nice person,and,and as far as I can interpret,very helpful and (thought i'm not sure how good of a reason this is),has more edits than me(which is the same for generally everyone on the wiki that has more than 200 edits((the last part of the sentence(((the part about the edits)))))). -- 22:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Pending: User has yet to approve of his request. http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6032/bt3sw5.png Done whoozy! 00:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * She has approved. Dtm142 00:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

as vimescarrot stated above, why do people keep bringing the irc into RFA's? I think thats a whole different matter. Ice 18:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, what happens on #rswiki is seperate from what happens on the wiki itself, but that doesn't mean that occurences on it can't influence the way individuals are portrayed. --Mura 06:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Support Getting to know Cool Spy0, she really seems to be a good person even though she has issuses with Tari. Don't let a rivalry between you and Tari stop you from being a sysop =). 05:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Pending I don't think that Cool Spy's previous clashes should be the sole reason to oppose her RfA. Granted, the arguments on #rswiki show intolerance, but I think that they have cooled down. Furthermore, Cool Spy seems to be trying to be more patient. So if she could refrain from future personal attacks, she would be a fine administrator. Right now, I'm leaning toward a support, so long as she remains chill (pun intended) in the future. -- 05:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment - Going along with what Mura said, the arguments don't mean that Cool Spy wouldn't be a good sysop. As Icecube said, the IRC logs aren't really relevant to the RFA. Maybe Cool Spy and Tari don't get along, but people tend to speak much more loosely in the IRC than on the wiki. A lot of what's said in the IRC is based on everyone's current mood, I've probably said some pretty bad things when I was angry in the IRC. Cool Spy shouldn't argue with Tari, but Tari's personality (online at least) seems to be built around an arrogant attitude and strong opinions. Usually, it's an amusing mask, but sometimes it causes arguments. One last thing: a lot of voting on this wiki is taken too personally. Voters are just giving their opinion. Tari, if Cool Spy opposes a candidate for AotM, you don't need to link that as a "good faith issue" on his RFA. You being in the animations wasn't a good reason for it to be featured, even you can admit that. The nomination wasn't necessarily based on arrogance, but if someone opposes your nomination don't assume that they're just trying to disagree with you in any way possible. Cool Spy's been here a long time, and knows a lot about the wiki. I feel that he would make a good sysop, but I'd like to withhold my vote until I hear what other people have to say. Cool Spy's recent behavior reminds me of the behavior of several admins, including myself, not too long ago, but I have faith that it will subside. The important part is trying to improve and cooperate better, and resolve disagreements. 05:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Soft Oppose - I'm going along with what Gangsterls said above - that bad IRC behavior has nothing to do with Wiki behaviour, however, what Cool Spy0 has said to Tarikochi, not just on the IRC, is really incivil. <font color="DARKRED">Emos <font color="DARKRED">world  21:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It comes off as more of a personal dispute and less of a case of rudeness to everyone in this Wiki, if you know what I mean.

TBA - Im going to leave my vote as to be announced. Overall my recent impressions of Cool Spy have been positive but I would just like to give it a bit of time to make sure this sort of thing does not happen again. Whiplash 20:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Weak oppose Oppose (for now.) I do acknowledge that she is helpful on the wiki. However, as shown by some of Tarikochi’s designated quotes, it seems that she might have trouble controlling his emotions and expressing them properly. Instead of saying “I'm sorry Ice for getting mad earlier, but letting this cunt become a sysop was the worst decision ever.”, and making other blatant accusations, she could have followed some principles from other wikis, such as having a nice cup of tea and a sit down. Also, as shown by Whiplash’s link above, if we are “not to expect her to be polite”, I’m not sure that I would expect her to be the best of admins. Being active on the wiki is important, but it is just as important to show respect, consideration, and kindness to fellow wiki members. If someone can give me a good reason to change my vote, I will, but for now, this is what it is. Butterman62 21:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Quoted from Christine

Oppose: Cool Spy is not highly active on the wiki, and has issues with Tari in the IRC. She consistantly insults Tari's personality and character, solely because she doesn't like how Tari speaks in IRC. I don't think calling someone a cunt just because you don't like how they speak is appropriate. <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=RoyalBlue>Christine <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=LimeGreen>Talk 23:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Tarik can chat with incredible stupidity and arrogance at times provoking comments towards her. I personally think that if you're going to be arrogant then expect people to react. However I've heard so many insults on the IRC said by bureaucrats, admins, myself and every active wikian on the IRC that I think its almost ridiculous that someone should try to say "he called me so and so on the IRC so this person shouldn't get adminship". (If phrasing is bad it's because I rushed). Whiplash 22:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't forget, sometimes people take things seriously. Like the time when I called Chia a "n00bz00rz" and he felt really offended. It seems that sometimes people do overeact to things on irc. 01:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It offended me that you were calling me that, not being called that. And it was "nubcake" for the record. 01:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Whiplash, no matter how arrogant someone may be, it is up to one's own responsibility to control his/her emotions. [[Image:Bloodbarrage.png]]Butterman62[[Image:Icebarrage.png]] 01:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose per Chrsitine (C word directed to anybody might as well be the N word) Atlandy 01:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

A comment

"but you'd be annoyed too if you were constantly ignored unless there was a moment for bragging or snide remarks. I can't take back what I did, but cut me a break. Having a few minutes of that is understandable, but it went on for four hours one time. If you see just what I said, yeah, you're going to think I'm nothing but a huge jerk.

Also, as Tesfan said, Tarikochi has acted rudely to the some of the other Wikians on there..." (by Cool Spy0)

That is no excuse for overreacting. Again, no matter how arrogant someone may be, it is your responsibility to control your emotions. Butterman62 01:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, two things. First off, I don't really think people should judge what people say in the IRC unless you've been in the IRC. Like vimes said,

"Personalities can change depending on the medium of communication. Myself on the wiki, RuneScape, IRC and real life are all virtually four different people, for example - at least two of which would never even have been considered for adminship. So the IRC shouldn't really be brought into it at all."

Secondly, people should stop setting a double slandered on the IRC. It really feels like "swearing is okay if you're an admin, but if your not, you'll get banned". Not to mention the fact that everyone is excluding the face that Cool tried to apologize, except for that fact that Tari was ignoring her. —Tesfan (talk • contribs) forgot to sign this comment.