Talk:Zaros

Knowledge of Guthix
In the lore 'Twice Burnt' when Zamorak alters Perjour's journal he replaces the actuality for an approach on guthixians; therefore wouldn't Zaros have afformented knowledge of Guthix before this? -Kailx


 * It was never questioned that Zaros knew of a being that people called Guthix. At this point in time, however, Guthix had no activity in the world so Zaros probably thought that Guthix was a minor god or just a false god altogether. The big question is, does Guthix have any knowledge of Zaros. Xicor12345 (talk) 17:14, July 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. Re-read the god letters, Guthix categorically states he has no idea who Zaros is. Zaros operated while Guthix was napping. -Phoenixjo


 * Although, it would be very safe to assume that Zaros had knowledge of Guthix, as did everyone at the time during the Second Age. 67.85.195.20 23:28, February 27, 2013 (UTC)JeffGC64


 * It is unknown if Zaros knew Guthix infact, they don't know each otehr at all, no one knew of guthix, besides Saradomin when he met teh Druid, (AOG in Funorb) Guthix was unknown until he awokened durning teh gods war. So from all this information, Guthix is really unknown to Zaros, unless Zaros had another name, and was Mortal once like Guthix.Kinglink15 (talk) 04:18, March 29, 2013 (UTC)Kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 04:18, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Even if Zaros was once a mortal he would have no information about Zaros at all because it was confirmed that he and Saradomin are over 10,000 years old.

Zaros' Allignment
I think I have a theory on Zaros' true allignment, well a few theories, and feel free to rule out any of these options.

1. Is it possible that Zaros' allignment quite literally could be nothing? He is very often referred to as the "Empty Lord", so could this be a literal meaning in which he has no allignment?

2. God of Power? Zaros appears to be very powerful, even his Ancient Curse prayers and Ancient Magics spells both seem to be very powerful and PvP oriented, could this be a possible meaning?

Does anyone else think that these could be likely allignments?

JeffGC64 (talk) 05:29, September 1, 2012 (UTC)JeffGC64

I second this, He is more known as Control, and Manipulated.Kinglink15 (talk) 04:26, March 29, 2013 (UTC)Kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 04:26, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros' allignment was likely kin to chaos, but i think the reason he's refered to as the "Empty lord" isn't because he has a neutral allignment, i think it's be cause all his promises were empty. he didn't do anything that he told the dragonriders or to the humans under viggoras' rule. 24.99.204.18 23:31, May 20, 2013 (UTC)anon

Um no.. it was Stated on the Video of Q&A lore by Jagex that his alligment is Control. Kinglink15 (talk) 23:43, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

BTW, Zaros was referred to as "The Empty Lord" before he even discovered The Dragon Riders in their Home-World. Also, What did he tell the humans under Viggora's Rule? 00:24, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

If I am correct nothing, it might have been teh guy's Theory, and he kept the promises, never showed he broke them. Kinglink15 (talk) 00:28, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Is he a good guy? - Depends on your perspective
It has come to my attention that Zaros has little information, and it is hard to tell rather he is a good god, or a bad god. Based on his actions during the God Wars, I look at Zaros as a terrbile god. Sure, he is VERY powerful, but did he use this said power to good use? Also, based on his KNOWN followers (I'm reffering to Nex and other God Wars-related enemies), he is thought to be a bad guy. He seems like the kind of guy who you would lie to a little kid saying "Zaros is a good god! The Great Lord will save us all!" and then he turns out to be a bad guy. So, who knows if he is a good guy or not? I'm not sure yet. God of the Forge 15:45, January 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * To correct somethings, Zaros was never in the Gods War, the Gods war happened after his death, when Zamorak returned, It was stated that some followers do things that are not needed, just for the sake of Zaros, (Nex, Char, and Sliske) Zaros might be a Good god, but then again, he can manipulate a lot of people, and could be a bad god. All that is known, is that he had a powerful empire, so of course he would have a lot of enemies.Kinglink15 (talk) 04:24, March 29, 2013 (UTC)Kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 04:24, March 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's been said many times.. god or bad, or even evil... entirely depends on your perspective/alignment. Jagex said this... and even Saradomin hinted this when he talks about Guthix ideas are flawed, while agreeing in principle.. or something like that. 10:31, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * wrong on some part, it is our choice, but it was stated he is control, manipulative, so he could be good, but in his way manipulates, or he is evil. Saradomin only talked about Guthix also looking for peace, like Saradomin is, but disagrees on how Guthix viewed and wanted the peace. Saradomin by his followers is Order, but we all saw his way of order was by force. Yes, it is our choice to pick if he is good or not. But until we see Zaros return, and know his true side, Like I do, I see him as a control side, maybe good. --Kinglink15 (talk) 23:22, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * So... please explain further.. how my statement was wrong, because I'm lost - or were you not responding to me, Kinglink15? ;) 12:43, April 19, 2013 (UTC)+


 * Just the Saradomin part. Kinglink15 (talk) 16:58, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * ...So how?-- 17:10, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Saradomin agreed with the Idea of peace, but disagreeing on how Guthix wanted it, both in the Gods letter, and the quest showed it, as he did state it. I pretty much tell you on what on my respond.Kinglink15 (talk) 17:15, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * You say that you only corrected my on the Saradomin part.. but in that part you actually agree, when you seemed to disagreed with me on the part of good/evil being depended on your own point of view.. Btw, you do know the God letters are not considered canonical, right? 17:31, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * I doKinglink15 (talk) 19:19, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Zarosian Teleport
I recently bought the Zarosian War Teleport from solomons general store and (If you haven't seen it, it should be somewhere on this wiki) whenever you activate it 3 dragon heads come up and you turn into some vampyre-type creature with no legs but instead a tail. Then I zoomed in the camera and realised that the Dragon heads actually look more like Dragonkin! I showed it to my friend and she theorised that the dragonkin (or at least some of them) allied with Zaros for some time hoping that, since Zaros is the most powerful of the young gods, Zaros would break their curse in return for their Service. Can someone please tell me what's happening? 01:57, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not really I respect your theory but not really lol. Don't forget he had dragon riders following him. That's one. Two Guthix was the strongest. Zaros was strongest known because of him being more active during his empire age. The dragonkins wouldn't do anything with anyone unless it has to do with the stone of jas. again the dragon head u see could just be dragons due to Zaros having dragon riders as him followers as well. Kinglink15 (talk) 13:20, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just like the God letters(confirmed) and Postbag from the Hedge (not confirmed or denied actually, but likely, imo) are not to be considered canon, I think SGS and SoF are also not really canon. I agree it's an interesting thought, and I can see Zaros pulling a trick like that - God of Control as he is... But I wouldn't really think much of it. :(
 * Such a damn shame that quests take more time to develop nowadays :P CAN'T WAIT!! 12:50, April 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know Guthix was the strongest young God lol, I just thought that if they really were allied with Zaros for some time then maybe they did so because they either; possessed no knowledge of Guthix at the time or simply couldn't locate his resting place. 00:12, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * True, BUT like I said, they wouldn't, and it might be dragon riders. Dragonkin only respond to the "stone Touchers" that miss use the stone.Kinglink15 (talk) 17:12, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm I don't think you could know that they wouldn't. The only thing we really do know is that they respond to 'stone touchers' that are.. 'false users', aka non-gods (if non-false user means: elder/younger god, or is even more strict: the three Gielinor creator gods, or even only Jas - we don't know). We also know that they get pain if the stone is touched by a false user, and that the pain stops when they prevent it. They want to get rid of the pain... so that's why e.g. Kerapac tried to get rid of the pain. They're not gods themselves, the Dragonkin, so they might trust Guthix, Zaros or other gods to be able to help, like Kerapac tried. ... Anyway we don't know, there's nothing to suggest this, so... all we can say is: nice idea, maybe Mod Osborne can work with it. 10:21, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Zarosian Colours
Shouldn't there be more zarosian colours put up on the article? The colours I know of that DEFINETLEY are Zarosian are the colours at the Temple at Senntisten. I think they're Purple, Teal Black, White and Gold. They're all at The Temple at Senntisten so they must be Zarosian colours. 01:13, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Godhood Tier
Ok, I got no problem adding that to all the gods now but, where and whem did it state his Godhood Tier is 2? it is still unknown what the God Tiers are. I can understand it would be 2 due to him being out of a body, but the Tiers are still unknown and be best left alone until further quests can be shown about it. Kinglink15 (talk) 16:10, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * yeah... you do have a point... Osborne only said that [Guthix] and [Zaros at the peak of his power] (just before Zamorak bitch slapped him) were on tier 2. What Zaros is now, during his outer body experience, we don't know -- I'm sure he's not as strong. For the rest we only know three tiers in total: 1, 2 and 7, and not much is known about those actually. So caution is advised :3 16:24, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Then in the article, it should be stated some where his tier use to be, and I was surprised when he said both are in tier two, due for Guthix being the strongest of teh youngest god, and Zaros being second strongest, meaning the rest of the gods are tier one. But then again, this would be said the tier before Guthix awake, after all, being strong enough to open portals with out teh sword, is impressive. Kinglink15 (talk) 16:30, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * No.. Tier 1 is the strongest and 7 the weakest: 1=elder gods, 7=(some - all?) desert gods. And if they are both classed on the same tier, they could differ in power, just like you would be classed with boxing. Or maybe a better example is the weapons you can use in RS: tier 50=rune, but with lvl 56 att&str you're still more strong that some one with 53 att&str. And go figure, if you have to place something like 20 gods in that system it would seem odd to me if they're all just as strong when they occupy the same tier, and get a sudden increase in power if you rise a tier: I think you should see the tiers are more fluid/gradient rather than imagine it in strong borderline fashion. 16:40, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Damn my ear plugs needs changing, ook, thanks for tellnig me then. Then we should add their Tier, and for the others, we can add 3? (maybe not, due for bandos being weakened after teh Chosen Commander) But for the rest, what do you thin kwe can do? Kinglink15 (talk) 16:48, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well we don't know what Bandos' tier is we don't even know where Saradomin would fit (I imagine 2, since Osborne said he was probably one of the or the oldest of the younger gods) but that's not mentioned anywhere. And also Bandos was not weakened for as much as I know. His ways of contacting where simply eliminated (the necklace/amulet/what-ever-it-was got destroyed if I'm correct, only his Avatar got defeated. 16:57, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * IDk if he was also, the cave goblin's were statting it. But yes, i guess we can wait for the other, and even if Saradomin is oldest, he could be in tier 3. I mean, who knows, he was with teh crown more, and less with the jas. Kinglink15 (talk) 17:00, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * idk... Sara could be tier 5 too... who knows what happened in the meanwhile :P silly rhetorical question, Mod Osborne knows... 17:28, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Why does this page describe Zaros as evil now? I thought in the livestream it was confirmed he was neither good or evil.

PindaZwerver (talk) 22:58, June 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * it describes his ACTIONS to seem evil, and Saradomin to seem evil, and His followers, some to have been doing "evil" but he isn't said to be evil. In teh livestream he is said to be the god of control, and with the new Update, also Fate. 23:11, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

The Warring
You guys are warring to much! Stop reverting the page you are brining out the miss spelling words and taking off information given. Keep his Tier, remove the rest. Period. I talked to a few admin and they told me to keep the Tier in wording of "Before Deafeat" Because that's how far we know of him. 10:16, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Admins are normal people... their opinion and behaviour counts just as much as any-one else's. We know know Zaros tier before his defeat (or better worded: at the height of his powers), which is 2; but we also know that after his defeat he lost power and is at least a tier lower, but we don't know how much. IF the latter claim needs a source, the first needs one too - and to the same degree. 10:37, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, no, for the purposes of this wiki Admins are NOT normal people, and if they tell you to stop doing something, you should really listen. There is no definite information about how much power, if any, Zaros permanently lost. And by the way, there is no 'tier' system that I know about in existence--just the systems of Elder vs. Younger gods, the latter of which Zaros was originally a part of. To me, it sounds a lot like you're using stating headcanon as fact.
 * The fact that "Jmods haven't said he didn't lose any powers" does not mean that he lost power. It doesn't mean that he didn't, but they haven't said he lost permanent power either.
 * Don't get me wrong; I agree with you. Having Zaros be drastically more powerful than the other Gods would be unfair for all involved, since it would mean that when he finally does re-enter the affairs of Gielnor fully he'll basically kick everything's collective asses. But there is no proof yet, so until there is, don't edit the information in. Or if you do, make it a kind of disclaimer in the Trivia section: "Zaros may have permanently lost some of his power due to the effects of the Staff of Armadyl." This would be fair, and I doubt it would provoke nearly as much debate. Snowskeeper---Till Hell Freezes Over. (talk) 14:13, June 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * there is a tier system, something yet given by Jages ad they are still working on it. Zaros and Guthix were in tier two( before Zaros defeat, and before guthix died. It was stated that guthix beings the powerful Zaroa was second powerful but not powerful enough to take all the Gods on his own one on 3 or more. The Tier system is yet to be stated because it is something their looking at them selves. They already told us some of the gods tier but not all of them. But really this warring needs to stop because not only do I get spam emails from silly things that was stated and proven in Rune Zone radio but fact that it goes back to the error of typos and spellings.. 14:46, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for the correction. I wasn't aware of it, and it certainly doesn't seem that it's developed properly yet, all things considered. Guthix was powerful enough to banish all of the Young Gods involved in the God Wars without the assistance of the Stone of Jas, so wouldn't that mean that Zaros would be that powerful as well if he's on the same tier?
 * In any case, the admins have said 'stop,' so it needs to stop or this page will be edit-locked. Snowskeeper---Till Hell Freezes Over. (talk) 15:34, June 4, 2013 (UTC)