Talk:Clan Citadel

Not So Praising
This is more than just ambitious, infact, considering this is the ONLY pay to play Clan feature, it's probably going to cause more harm, ontop of the Vets cape, Katana, and loyalty progamme insults. The loyalty progamme might not have been as insulting if jagex had waited to add it. Considering they already insulted a wide varaitiy of players with the vets cape followed by the katana, this update was recieved as more bad updating catered to new members, which after so many insults, don't look highly likely. Well The citadels had better be VERY good to be the only clan feature for members. ~G.S. Coletrane
 * They should just state F2P is a demo and be over with it. >.< 00:58, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * They wouldn't be able, not really able now, to claim to be the #1 f2p MMO then would they?
 * ~G.S. Coletane
 * Whoops, meant F2P *fixes* 01:06, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I do believe that's Beside the point, the point is, ontop of several insults to BOTH p2p players and f2p players this update had better be good, or Jagex will lose not only a great deal of pontential paying members, but existing ones as well. ~G.S. Coletrane

Praise Jagex
Praise Jagex, this is what I have always wanted (apart of ROTM) :) 17:34, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * How exactly is this even remotely related to RoTM? The only thing RoTM related we've seen is Kethsi. 20:46, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think they mean this is what they've always wanted, excluding wanting ROTM. 21:02, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

wow I cant wait! 18:07, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

This looks extremely awesome. 18:08, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, too bad it's members only =[ 18:12, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it says clans with 5 or more subscribing members can enter it. So perhaps f2p clans can if they have at least 5 subscribing members? 18:14, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I guess not. It's members-only. 18:36, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably only the members in the clan can access it. Even though it's in the clan's name or whatever. 20:44, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I wish that RuneScape would have another ad, and make more content f2p... 20:48, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, indeed. There's not much for F2P to do at the moment :/ 20:59, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm *racks brain* I don't think there's anything planned for F2P right now... 21:02, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Apart from graphical updates and holiday events, of course. It's also too bad that there aren't any hard quests for F2P... 05:35, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

are we sure the random rock formations are clan citadel related? i mean, it's probable, but is it definite? Savemonkeys0 19:19, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's speculation and should not be on the article unless someone can provide proof. 00:58, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

added.
Resources can NOT be taken out of the citadel.

Unlike The Clan cloaks, It requires you to have 5 people in your clan at all times.

added those, but don't know how to add a reference to support them

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?16,17,432,62940143,goto,5 there's the link for the referance. if someone could be kind enough to jam that in there somewhere please. God vivec1 14:46, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Clan Colors
I'm going to guess that the colors for the tents, flags, and banners for the citadels will be the same as the clan capes and vexillums. Xhanort7 16:56, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably. 16:59, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Might make some people think twice about the eye-searingly awful colours they currently have. --AnselaJonla 20:35, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol. 00:58, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Falling Rocks speculation
Do we include it or not? We've had people adding it in and others removing it non-stop, can we make a final decision as to whether or not it should be included, as it is rather likely to involve the rocks, and as long as we make it clear that at this time it's only speculation, I don't see any reason as to why we can't just include in a trivia section. 15:07, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

I think we shoulld include it because it could be possible that those are teleporters that take you there, or just random trash. It should also be included that in the Catherby rock, the fisherman that takes you to the fishing game is unreachable due to the rocks. Lol. -Update222 6:20, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

If you are wearing a Chicken Costume, the dialog of the guards will change:

Guard: Aha! Another one! C'mere, chicky, I've a wizard paying a bounty per head on you!

Player: Wait, what? No!

Security section
All of the information in here is already stored within the 'clan settings' article. I'm not proposing to completely remove it, but all the irrelivent stuff (eg chat-related stuff) should really be removed, since it doesn't relate directly to clan citadels Sundays211 23:14, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Actual number of required members
In the knowledge base or anywhere else, there is no record of how much resources are required for each tier upgrade. However based on the initial requirement, 12k wood, we are faced with a new requirement. Due to the 5% spoil remaining, one must have 14 members visit and max their resource limit in a week to be able to upgrade to the second tier. This is due to not being able to get up to the total of 13850 required for the upgrade and upkeep. The article mentions ten members are required - this is only for upkeep of the tier. If we can calculate how many actual members are required to upgrade the tiers for each tier and add this to the article, I think clans would find it of use. --Goodison Goomba 22:07, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I've found a potential glitch (that would only work for the first week) where a player quits and then is invited back into the clan, he or she can bypass the limit because it resets the raw material count, but doesn't subtract from the amount he/she already gathered. Scenario: I gather 1000 logs, quit, rejoins. I gather 1000 logs. I've just added 2000 to the clan coffers.

Regarding the first point, the number of required members is correct at any times. You can order a citadel upgrade even if you don't have the full payment for it. E.g. you order a t2 citadel and provide 10k payment for it. Payment/upkeep doesn't get spoiled, and next week you will still have a t1 citadel, but only 3850 timber left to pay. Jonanananas 12:35, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Resource rates?
Do higher level players contribute more resources, or contribute faster? How will this affect clan internal politics if this is/isn't true? -- TLWS 74.41.81.126 01:01, July 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, higher leveled players would gather resources faster. But the limit of 1000 per clanmate exists no matter what level the player is. Sundays211 08:18, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * For clans with large numbers of members, that would favor higher-levels paying lower levels in coins to do clan chores, then, wouldn't it? Gold would be paid after a successful build tick. (Or not paid after a failed build tick. D'oh!) -- PIKWIT 15:10, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * The rates also depend on how many people are chopping at once. More people = faster for everyone. 15:20, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Citadel upkeep clanmates requirements
"Fewer players need to visit a citadel for the upkeep. The same number of players must visit it while upgrading, however." - Patches notes 9th August 2011

I was wondering whether we could get a list of these upkeep requirements for the page, as I'm sure many clans would find it useful to know just how many clan members actually have to visit their citadel for it to remain availiable for use. I can start off by saying that tier 2 apears to have a requirement of just 5 members per week to keep it up and running ;)Sundays211 20:55, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

In the "Building your citadel" section under the "Upkeep and upgrade requirements" heading, a table is included with the members required for each tier. Based on emperical results from my clan citadel as of this week, the table is incorrect on at least one item. The Upgrade column shows 35 members are required for the upgrade to tier 5 from tier 4; that should actually be 25. I noted this is the number from the Jagex Runescape Wiki table on the same information. For that reason I changed the table to match since all prior information up to tier 5 corresponded. The change was recinded by Saftzie citing error(s) in the game guide. Discussion is required on this for there is still at least 1 error in the table. Mithyr Sar 21:48, January 9, 2012 (UTC) :35 clan members are required to upgrade from Tier 5 to Tier 6. That is what the 35 means, as with all other rows in the table. 35 is the number where the number of visitors changes from yellow to green at Tier 5. -- 21:51, January 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * The way you've edited this table is confusing then. This layout would be much easier to understand:
 * = Tier  =  Upkeep  =  Upgrade  =
 * =   1    =      5      =        5       =
 * =   2    =      5      =        10      =
 * =   3    =      10     =       15      =
 * =   4    =      15     =       20      =
 * =   5    =      20     =       25      =
 * =   6    =      25     =       35      =
 * =   7    =      35     =       50      =
 * ~ Nephite11, 20:28, April 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * ~ Nephite11, 20:28, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Skill plot exp table/formula?
I was wondering if anyone knows a table or formula to calculate the experience that is rewarded for working in the citadel.

I know it depends on a player's level: the higher the level the more exp. I think it also matters what skill you're doing. wc will give more exp then summoning (at the same lvl)? I don't know if the tier also plays into this: the higher the tier, the high exp. Does anyone know the formula?

example: me wc & lvl = both 9, both plots are also tier 2, but i get 69.5 wc exp & 117 fm exp

13:59, September 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think that anyone actually knows the formula yet, but with enough data to work with i'm sure we can figure it out. I'd say that each skill has it's own formula (with woodcutting having by far the worst base rate), but not sure if the tier makes a difference. Maybe it would be a good idea to build a few empty tables on the resource plot pages, so that people can fill in the experience they gain at each level. Then it may be possible to figure out a formula Sundays211 20:59, September 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * I started such table on Firemaking plot talkpage. Let's contribute! :) Tirioll 20:07, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Jagex controversies
Why is this in Category:Jagex controversies? -- 01:44, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Because many people were mad at JaGeX for not giving citadels to all and making it require a clan Joshposh70 22:41, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * If the citadels were not a clan effort, would that not make them a form of player owned house? 22:44, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Citadel rankings
Is there anywhere that citadel rankings can be viewed...who was the 1st clan to tier 7 and where any clan is ranked as far their citadel build level? 07:47, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Each clan's page displays at what tier the citadel is. That's about it. -- 14:11, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * As of ~10:19pm 1/5/2012 est mining golds achieved a tier 7 citadel. They are the first clan to get tier 7. --Eat ham2 04:34, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * In the January Newsletter, Mod Jon H lists Kia Kaha, Maxed, Mining Golds, Overloaded Citadel, and RS Outreach as the first, although only says they will all make it the week ending 10 January. -- 04:46, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * That is incorrect, you can visit the mining golds citadel right now, it is at tier 7. The other clans build ticks are on Tuesday. Mining golds build tick is 10:19 est (thursday). So mining golds is the first official clan to reach tier 7. --Eat ham2 04:47, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * We are currently in the week which ends 10 January. I have not contradicted anything you said above. I'm pointing out you're not the only one. -- 04:52, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * citadels were released on a Tuesday. Mining golds build tick was moved at some point to Thursday. All the other clans that were in the running to get tier 7 didn't get all the resources they needed to upgrade this past Tuesday; Mining golds however did upgrade every week and did not miss a tick but we were not on the tick Tuesday. Technically the other clans will be getting their t7 citadel at the beginning of the week ending on January 17th while we got t7 during the week that ends jan 10. That is why mining golds will have a trophy vexilum 5 days before the other clans. --Eat ham2 05:05, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mining Golds Clan Page on Runescape Official Site clearly indicates we have Tier 7 already. While we can't officially verify we are the first due to there not being an official ranking system, you can always try to find another T7 clan before others tick - from what I know Kia and OC are both ticking on the 10th January. Psychemaster 06:38, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Bug
There is a bug (or at least, I consider it a bug) that allows people to work in the citadel while on probation. Should this be mentioned or will this lead to bug abuse (if it is indeed a bug). 01:11, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * If the citadel has existed for more than 7 days and if the clan member has been a clan member for less than 7 days, then it's a bug and should be reported. After it's fixed, if it was somehow significant, it could be mentioned in Trivia what it used to be. A bug report should contain as much detail about how reproducible the bug is and how it can be triggered so that testers can verify it. -- 03:09, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

making this page into features of a clan cidital?
i've noticed that this page has become more of a how to build a clan citadel rather than about it. and because of it the print length has become 10 pages... should we make a seprate section on the making and maintaning a clan cidital to help with the ammount that is on this page? Chrissyofhailfire 21:56, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * A lot of it can probably be put into subpages or trimmed down & linked to the appropriate articles. It could definitely use a rewrite. 21:58, April 3, 2012 (UTC)