Talk:Draconic visage

Hey big thanks to the person who un redlinked and linked up the dragons and oziach its something i find myself unable to do (lazyness).Dark0805 23:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Drop Rates
I kill around 20 King black dragons a day and have so for the last month or so...i have yet to see a visage

Who calculated the drop rates? Where's your source? I'd like to know if 1 in 32 for the KBD is accurate, my friend and I have killed 23 tonight and one hasn't dropped yet. Chissey 06:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I calculated my drop rates from 24 independent drop logs on the official RuneScape forums and fansite forums (Each log contains at least 2000 kills, and the deviation from my final answer is within a reasonable margin). The total number of King Black Dragons killed included in these logs is 927, number of Draconic visage drops is 28. Since we are talking about Java, I automatically rounded the final answer to one out of a power of two. Doomedrusher|Talk| |Contributions| 14:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, I think I saw that thread. Must've seen it in it's earliest stages, though. Well, I think I'll add my rates to the list after I get a few. Thanks a ton, man, 1 in 32 is awesome. Chissey 15:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

1/32 I not even close! I have soloed hundreds, and all the drop rates logs estimates it to be in the hundred, I have gotten only 1 from KBD and that was after more than 200 kills with my team, I split about 4mil of the drop,

I myself believe the drop rate is a 1/135 chance, but you will not surely get it in that many.

I can solo about 3 or 4 kbds per a single trip, if a visage drops that often I would get it in 10 trips, there would be no way the visages would be 25mil if I can get in about 3 hours.

He is absolutly right. the drop rate of draconic visage at King black dragon is not 1/32 it is believed that it's 1/110 or so. like he said would the visage be 25mil and u can get 1 every 3hours?Johnjack922 09:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

It would be impossible to have the exact drop rate unless you consult the game code. I suggest we remove any talk on drop rates in the article. Killioman 19:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I think i killed about 500 drags in zanaris before i got my 1st visage (which i lost thank you power cut >=/ ) i then killed another 1000 Black dragons before i got my 2nd one, will i have to kill 2000 before my 3rd :O, ive already killed another 200 or so and no drop, plus all the times ive killed iron and steels (i normally kill 20 a week) and have done for weeks and no drops off them either =[--Eminemster2k 18:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking that possibly, this 'wheel' could differ for every player. Example, maybe every 100th or 1000th player could have better rate for a rare drop. Like, say i was the 100 or 1000th player to create an account, and my rare drop percentage would be say, 15% instead of 5%. Or perhaps, there is a 'wheel' that is spun to determine the fate or your permanent 'wheel'?

(Read the first paragraph under the iron dragons section for more info on the 'wheel')

Serious doubts about KBD drop rate
I've already changed the article to reflect the uncertainty, but there's absolutely no way we haven't gotten the drop in 132 kills if the drop rate is 1/32. It's like, a 1.5% chance. My two friends I kill the KBD with are 100% reliable, so it's not a question of their honesty, it's a question of the honesty of the people in the thread who gave their drop figures. As it is, at a 1/128 chance, there's only a ~35% chance that we haven't gotten one yet...So, there's that. Chissey 06:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

wait worse for visage 0.0

so far 0:3256 82-92 range

Im 92ranged and i killed now 420 kbd's 0 vissage drops probly unlucky but i know more ppl who had that but 1/32 is not true otherwise evry 1 can make 20m in 2hours that would say i make 60M a day lol. my rs name is :And1db add me if u want;)

Every person has a different drop rate, so you cant go by how fast one person does it to yours. Some people can do it on there first try and others takes forever. so just simply keep trying and you'll eventually get your visage.

slayer?
some people on runescape forums claim that they got visage during slayer, maybe slayer ups the chances?

No, slayer does not give any more chances to a drop of a visage, Jagex has even said that themselves.

People who claim it does up your chances it is not true, I myself have gotten many slayer assignments, I have killed about 500 steels when I was assigned and around 5k without an assignment.

I have gotten 2 visage drops, none on a slayer assignment.

Think of it this way, imagine a huge wheel of fortune, then imagine it numbered 1-2500, and if you land on 999 you get a visage.

Now this does not mean that one in 2500 kills you will get a visage, it means that every kill you have a 1/2500 chance of getting it, you can kill millions of them and you will not be sure you will get one.

If you really want to get a visage, I suggest camping, you must range or mage to camp, just stay there for a few days all you do is just kill and kill, eventually you must get one.

this is fairly logical talking i support it 100% Johnjack922 09:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Iron dragon drop rates.
It's really simple if you think of it this way, when you kill ANY kind of monster, a spinner spins. say, 95% of the no fuck you are rare items. If the spinner lands on the 5%, another spinner spins, seeing what item you get (the visage part being very small...) if you think about it that way, it's really obvious that drop rates are a total myth and you can get a visage on first kill...or go billions of dragons without one.

As of today I have killed around 1200 iron dragons with no luck of a visage. it might just be my bad luck or the drop rate is really really low. At around kill 860 i got legs, and 930 i got a skirt. Justakid 06:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Following on from the above comment, I have been hunting for about 30 hours. No visage, but I have had 4 sets of d legs. [Fantasy]

-I say it should be investigated...ive seen a few logs of people killing 2k+ black dragons and not getting one, but then someone gets a slayer task of 15 and gets one. its most likely coincedence and luck but I seriously think slayer does increase drop rate of certain valuable items.

(Jagex has even said slayer does not up your chances, why would it? Why would training woodcutting speed up your cutting if you were just cutting for money? Why would mining for exp not money up your chances of a gem? It wont.)

I would disagree with the idea that people are misrepresenting their drop rates for visages. It would seem to me that persons who got an early drop would be more motivated to post about their great luck. Meanwhile those with high drop rates would decline to post, as they might consider it to be 'nothing to talk about'. Teknikl 20:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Well anyone might post, but I think of it like this, some people play the lottery and never win a thing, while some might play it for the first time and win the whole thing, it just all comes down to being random, lucky, and motivated to spend time and wait patiently for it. i killed 45 iron dragons the other day got the visage in only 45 kills

if you all want serious honest to god truth about my luck at this visage... ive killed exactly 8923 black dragon over 2k iron/steel 300+ kbd 200+ mithril dragons and 200 or so wyverns and havent once gotten a visage drop. best drop ive gotten is 9 d legs and 4 skirts gone from 70 to 97 range hunting for that visage still no drop

Oziach
Where is it proven that one needs to talk to Oziach to get a visage as a drop? Planeshifted 15:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

You do not need to talk to oziach, as i recieved a visage from regular black dragons whilst not having talked to him since dragon slayer quest (i'm now level 103, quite a while since that quest) it's a common misconception, and doesn't belong on the page


 * I'm editing the information out if nobody else dissents. Planeshifted 04:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

My friend and I went for a look at KBD and he got draconic vissage 1st drop waring ring of wealth so its based on luck

Blackdaddy5 09:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

i know that oziach isnt needed to get a visage because i killed 32 dragons with my pure so i never even did dragon slayer, and i got a visage. Also to be known a long password recovery q's and a bank pin increased my chances of getting drops, last week i killed prolly 600 tzhaar and got nothing, so i made recovery q's got a bank pin and today i kill 200 and got 4 capes 1 longsword and 1 sword and 25 rings (Really good run, Mabye not) ed12309

By 0verlord1841: Ed, there is no proof that long pass,recovs and a bank pin give better drops. Its like at barrows, where you get a dry streak of no items then you get like 2-3 in a row.

Dragon drops
I found it easy to get a Dv From an iron dragon, tell me what dragon you killed to get one and how many times did you have to kill it. Iron Dragon/7 kills Yefpatterson 04:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Store Price
I highly doubt any store trader would pay 25,000,000 for this, In actual fact, I'm pretty certain it's far less than that, can anybody confirm? - and if 25m is being paid, that's more than they're selling for, in the grand exchange!
 * It's not what they buy for, it's what they sell for. That is always more than the GE price. Drag  nmn   talk cont  18:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Is that for everything? Empty vials are 3 gp, but sell for 72 in grand exchange.

I am not sure if this is how you do this but I just recently got one and it sells for 300,000 coins at the store.