User talk:Battleben/Archive 3

First!!
http://i.imgur.com/MGznutC.jpg

09:16, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Zombies
Do the zombies from The Dead Walk! and from that Jmod infection thingy need an infobox? I mean, they have a unique model. Might be in the bestiary... 09:43, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, happy birthday! I hope you get something good. A pet Muspah, or something. 15:24, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Translucency
Please explain why you have, again, uploaded images that need translucency without their backgrounds? 19:47, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've warned you on this too many times. For the last time: It's not up to you whether an image with a translucent part will suffice with or without a background. ALL of them should be uploaded with a background. Now we are going to be stuck with fairies with wooden wings and a vampyre with green webbing until someone gets around to adding translucency to them. I have blocked you for three days. In this time, please, again, review RS:IMG. 02:59, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not break any policies. The closing comment for Forum:Change to translucency methods was "Option 1 will be implemented,with common sense, of course.", and RS:IMG states "If adding particle transparency or translucency is deemed too arduous, normal transparency may be added without cutting out particles, but the image should then be reverted to the original state without transparency if it is aesthetically superior over a partially transparent form." In my opinion, for the fairies, the transed images were aesthetically superior. But yeah, we're probably going to need another Yew Grove to settle this, as RS:IMG is rather vague, as what's aesthetically superior is rather subjective. 08:34, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * You were warned that you were repeatedly disregarding policies, and that should you continue, action may be taken. You continued your disregard for the policies, and action was taken. It's quite simple. Note how you mentioned that what is aesthetically superior is subjective, yet you state that the transed version is aesthetically superior as if your opinion has some sort of objective proof. Also, RS:IMG is fairly clear. The "common sense" aspects deal with minor details where the part with translucency cannot be seen without inspecting the image closer. The images you uploaded require translucency on approximately half of the non-transed portion. This is clearly in violation of the policy. I suggest you take this break and make sure you follow policies in the future. Also, realize that you are the only user having this problem, so it's probably not an issue with the policy itself. 08:42, June 23, 2013 (UTC) unblock Denied.  08:47, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I read the polices after being warned, and I thought for these images, the areas that required translucency were pretty small and barely noticable. And no, RS:IMG is not fairly clear, it says that images that require translucency are allowed if the transed images are aesthetically superior. In my opinion, they were, but in your opinion, they weren't. How is that not subjective? I am not saying that my opinion was any more valid than yours and fergies, but how was I supposed to know what other people thought was superior if they hadn't seen it? 08:51, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wording of the policy aside, how can you possible say that the parts of this image which require translucency are "pretty small and barely noticable [sic]"? My first thought when viewing that image was, "What is wrong with her wings?" It has odd colors due to the background, and you can't possibly say that the difference that the background makes is negligible. 09:04, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, if you look at Fairy Very Wise and Fairy Nuff it isn't very noticable when you see the images scaled down on the actual pages. Anyway, I did Aeryka last, so I assumed she'd be like the other ones, but I can see the problem with her, and I guess I was wrong. Speaking of which, I forgot to resize the image of Fairy Aeryka's page, and now I am incapable of doing so, would you mind fixing that please? 09:10, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Since there seems to be some confusion on what exactly the policy means, I'll err on the on the side of caution in future and not trans ANY translucent images. Anyway, the only effect the block is having is preventing me from positively contributing to the wiki, so if anyone would be kind enough to unblock me, that would be great. 11:55, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Would anyone care to tell me why I was blocked AGAIN? I hadn't even made any edits since Coel unblocked me. Furthermore, I have not yet received any decent reasons for my first block. (and no, having an disagreement over what an ambiguous section in RS:IMG means is not justification for a block, Blocks are for preventing further disruption to the wiki, not to to gain an advantage in a content dispute.) 08:03, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Special:Log/block 10:26, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * That doesn't answer my question. 15:50, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe my first three warnings were quite clear. In the fourth warning I said that if you breech RS:IMG again, I would take action. You did, and I took action. 18:31, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * And yet I did not breach RS:IMG. RS:IMG states that images should be reverted to the original state without transparency if it is aesthetically superior over a partially transparent form, which, for the fairies, I considered the transparent version to be aesthetically superior. I do agree that part of the policy is badly worded though, as what's aesthetically superior is completely subjective. At any rate, while this block is rather silly, i'm tired of arguing about it, so I'll just wait for it to end >_>. 19:05, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Smashing
is not what you got your custodian tools for. They are meant for maintenance purposes, and filenames should be descriptive. If they are already descriptive then don't move them. If you want to make that joke, just compress the file and upload it saying "Smashing the filesize" or whatever, but don't move the file just for a lame joke. 15:18, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hai
User talk:Fswe1. Have fun. 08:45, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Ali/Wahi dialogue after Enakhra's Lament
http://pastebin.com/n0FC8GK3 05:34, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Slayercat
No idea what this slayercat thing is, but it's removing the ability to show/hide combat stats. 18:47, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. 18:48, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was Mol who did that, and I concur with his comment of that edit... IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 19:13, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

In regards to this, shouldn't it at least be "Aviansie" instead of "Avianse"; avoiding a redirect? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:40, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Lumbridge?
Why did you name the NPCs with the new portal update NPC(The Battle of Lumbridge)? Where does it mention this anywhere? The NPcs aren't called that in game and none of the dialogue mentions it. It isn't mentioned in the update either. Are you getting this informaiton form sonewhere else, like the twitter acocunt or is it just your speculation?04ismailjj6 (talk) 14:54, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Tastes like diabetes
Sheldon and two cute piggies? I dun get it. Note that I haven't startee BHtB yet. 18:51, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Aye, true enough. Let's eat Sheldon. 06:33, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Stuff
Lady Keli, Ozan, Hassan, Ali Mirza, oh the obsolete humwnity. 20:27, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Please tell me you took images that don't need draw distance (so, everything except for the city overview) in Java. :P Also, ^^^^^^^^ 08:14, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

You're invited to my trim party!
Find out the details here. --BrenRS (talk) 02:29, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

bts leak
even when it's in the background? when the video wasn't about her (she wasn't even mentioned, just sneaky shown in the back)? 19:17, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I read that afterwards :P But I thought I could rationalize it by saying the bts video wasn't about Kara-Meir. 19:36, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

Template:Battle of Lumbridge
I made other changes (adding links, etc.), which you reverted, so I'm asking which part was ugly? I find that long navboxes are even uglier. 14:49, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Sliske
Should User:Fswe1/Laboratory include 'the adventurer'? 08:34, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Meow. I'll use frog mask for chathead. Or chicken mask. You choose. 08:46, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have any images of Meeting History where Guthix greets the humans as they come through the portal of life for use on Human Realm? 12:12, July 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, neat. I'll do it once I get back then. Wouldn't that also mean you could retake the Guthix image? Oh wait, cutscenes are broken... ;_; Btw, a new experiment is being conducted in my lab. 19:04, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Lumbridge record points
User:Ajente02 compiled a list of votes for every 24 hours. take a look. http://es.runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Muro:Ajente02 Mike111b (talk) 05:20, July 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've also got an approximation of the decrease rate of tears:
 * {| class="prettytable"

!colspan="2"|F2P http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110901220935/codesah/images/a/ad/Ajente02_Firma.JPG 05:32, July 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * 550
 * x4
 * ~700
 * x3
 * ~900
 * x2
 * ~1,100
 * x1
 * 1,320
 * x0
 * }
 * But it's only an approximation, IDK if that's accepted here... Good luck anyways. --See ya':
 * 1,320
 * x0
 * }
 * But it's only an approximation, IDK if that's accepted here... Good luck anyways. --See ya':
 * But it's only an approximation, IDK if that's accepted here... Good luck anyways. --See ya':

Audacity and RS
Mind explaining how the former can be used to get sounds from the latter? 21:59, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

drunken dwarf
if I'm not mistaken, you were talking about the drunken dwarf earlier today. Someone just came into the chat saying: [01:06:05]  did anyone else met a drunken dwarf at the battlefield? [01:06:10]  *meet Thought you might wanna know. 23:08, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Stuff
An unlisted music track appears to be playing when rogues/minelayers/etc. are summoned. Go! :P 14:21, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Mervis Merton
All you said is true (I think), but I doubt language can change so much (Mahey'ish Medron to Mother Mallum) over the course of 200yrs or so... 17:40, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Aviansie vs Avianse
Were the "Avianse" in this edit intentional, or are those indeed missing an 'i'? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 13:41, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sea gods
Don't redirect deleted pages in an attempt to get your point across that you do not agree with the deletion. Sea gods are not worshiped like the camel god is. The sea gods were mentioned in ONE passing phrase. "By the gods" is a common real-life phrase, "by the sea gods" references that. That's all. 20:26, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Cutscenes
...is he mentally impaired? Make a thread called "Reddit response to Thatjim" or something to reply to this and complain. It's just ridiculous. 19:09, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Quest icons
I visited UnusedFiles and found 50 of them sitting there. What did you plan on doing with them? Replacing the current images in the quest infobox perhaps? Maybe putting them in the same place as chatheads on NPC articles?

5th age religion
In one of the campfires they sid that while the trolls originally followed Bandos, they have now forgotten about him. Could you update File:5thage religion.png to reflect this? 10:14, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Saradomin
It's not my responsability to make every section of every article better. I don't even have one appointed to me. I'm sure you know this is free for all. I assume I edited while you were busy writing and that this is the cause of your annoyance. You know I'm open to discussion... you can always to to my talk page and discuss stuff there is you disagree with me. I take it you, just as myself, don't want to make things more troubled - please do the same. 11:55, September 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not quite, it was a part about his moral character... not the greater good, or what he ays is for the greater good. 12:22, September 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * From the article:


 * The emphasis in the quote shows the parts I thought it was about. I see nothing about "greater good". Seems to me you're trying really hard to blame me of stuff I didn't do. 13:46, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, if you look in the history of Saradomin (not the character but the page :P) then you see I mentioned something like: "it's not about order, it's about his moral character". That's my genuine view. The paragraph I copied above it reads "epitome of all that is good". In my eyes 'Good' says more about 'Morality' than it does about 'Order', so a genocide (normally not regarded as an epitome of all that is good) can be seen as such (a Moral issue, not an Order issue). Yes, he does this to achieve order... because 'the only orderly Naragi is a dead Naragi' - but that was not the point, the point was "the epitome of all that is good", and that is morality.
 * Also, the greater good could, in some moral theories, be part of morality (like Utilitarianism, but not Kantianism). The greater good has nothing to do with Order per se, maybe 'the greater order' (do something slightly chaotic to achieve a greater order - within the philosophy of Order, this can certainly be seen as morally good within the philosophy, but not more-or-less intrinsically linked to morality; like genocide is).
 * hope this answers your last comment to:
 * 1. I don't think it's a paragraph about Order, but Ethics/Morality;
 * 2. Genocide is an example/illustration of his morality; and
 * 3. There is no direct need to refer to the greater good, hence I didn't do that in the paragraph, while people still seem to want to read that into it).  10:12, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes, tell me about it. I know the feeling my friend. You don't even address the points I make. Not always at least. While I try the best to do so. But luckaly we don't have to agree 100%, we could also try to... compromise? Or just not talk about it. You may choose ;)  10:26, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * With this issue alone; with other issues too; with me entirely; or even with the entire RSwiki-community? 10:35, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh. Hmm.. okay. That's not so good. Only because I disagree and keep arguing? Not to be mean, but you do the same thing, in essence. Or am I mistaking?? 10:40, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * So, we're both jsut very stubborn/steadfast, not necessarily a bad thing though. But if the issue was resolved anyway, why did you continue to argue with me? 10:52, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wizards and...um
If a male witch is called a warlock what's a female wizard called? I'm genuinely curious. 04ismailjj6 (talk) 09:58, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Aye, I figured they might not be witches, but decided to go by Harry Potter terminology. :P Anyway, you're right. @Ismail: In RuneScape, "wizard" is unisex, in most other fantasy stuff, a female wizard is generally a witch. 13:53, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

History
User:Fswe1/Laboratory2 - Done first two sections (pre-1st Age and 1st Age). Please check and correct where necessary, or add stuff. =3 18:58, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Bank Search results?
So when did they add that into the game? Just wondering how unobservant I am :)  04ismailjj6 (talk) 13:23, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Cheese
"The Abbey of St. Elspeth Citharede is a large abbey in the desert where the followers of Saint Elspeth live. The organisation and abbey were founded in 99 or 100 of the Fifth Age." True? 19:14, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Mahjarrat quote
If you know how to properly cite them... why not do that?? Removing an improper citation is worse than no citation at all. Also... I think my citation gave more information. Fswe said these quotes need to say something about their personality, just citing where the quotes were said do not really give proper context, I don't see why you would remove that. Please... explain that to me. I understand a need for uniformity, but I also think we can divert from that if necessary. (See reference number 8 for example, it has a quote to illustrate the point being made in the text.) 11:45, September 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks :3 I'm afraid I will do so anyway :P 11:59, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

About the quest rework thread you're writing
Hi, Wahi. I'm not sure if you got this message I sent to you in-game, but I heard that you were making a thread about quest reworks. I have been slowly writing a similar thread, and I though to myself that it would be a good idea to ask you if we could co-operate with this thread and write it together (or at least help you with the writing of the thread by providing you with the information I have gathered so far). What do you think about this?

AquaMage2459 (talk) 17:13, September 25, 2013 (UTC)AquaMage2459

Where did u get the Zamorak chathead?????

above the lore
3 october? according to podbean, its 4 october. where did you get 3rd? 04:53, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * link plz? 08:50, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * where is it specifically mentioned in runeradio that it was released in 3 october? 09:05, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * we should use a reliable source, i.e. podbean. we have been using "podbean dates" so far for the other podcasts. and it is easy to check... can i change it back to 4 october, to be consistent with the other podcasts? 09:41, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

realms
damn... I wish we could find it more easily :P cos so far I've only seen stuff that's pointing me at least somewhat to Britain being part of earth  15:23, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

RE:RE:Fusswell Wiki
Suppose you're right... Given that I'm the only one to call you Wahipietel, it must have been me. A pox on me! You could add moustaches though. Like Hreidmar's old one. And a top hat. And a monocle. Well, see you in a week's time! 17:17, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

File:Sliske's Grand Ascendancy Gathering.png
Hey Ben, not sure if you're aware but it is lacking Kharsai =/ 20:09, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Alvis
Is this true? I checked the transcript, but Meike doesn't seem to indicate anything of the sort. 21:06, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I know, I'll get to it some time. SoonTM. 10:37, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros
Isn't part of this like... speculation?
 * "Zaros' city of Senntisten was able to survive for a significant amount of time after his defeat, with powerful Zarosians such as Nex, Azzanadra and Wahisietel protecting it. Azzanadra claimed to use a communion portal to speak with Zaros during this time, however, as Zaros was unable to think clearly, let alone contact Gielinor at the time, Azzanadra may have simply been hearing things that were not really there due to his grief, or simply lying. After the imprisonment of Azzanadra and Nex, Senntisten fell to a combined attack by the Saradominists and Zamorakians, despite Wahisietel's best efforts."

Mostly the bold part, and maybe the italics too. 10:39, October 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I see. But... just out of curiosity, where would we draw the line between a reasonable or accurate explanation and a pure/wild speculation?  12:53, October 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I was still hoping yuo could shed some light on this ^   --  :3 15:20, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Bandos
I don't think he wants to... he doesn't seem to believe Bandos has any sense of humour. If he would agree to your suggestion, he would also agree with me. Because that's, basically, all I'm arguing for. (Btw, Fswe1 convinced me that his sadistic nature should also be added, despite it seeming obvious.)  12:53, October 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, a joke was just an example. I don't really think 'jovial' is the right word, he doesn't really come off as being all that cheerful or friendly, while he does joke on other people's expense - regardless of it being a good joke. 13:33, October 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Bandos also makes fun of the other gods and teases them. Maybe not the best examples... but it's only one quest. If we where to judge the character of any one person on so few lines of dialogue, then idk what we would say of many characters. Regardless, the sources I provided stated clearly he has humour. This is nothing but Fswe not liking that and not accepted that part of the podcast, while he's perfectly fine with the answer about Challem (a question he asked himself and was answered right after the things I cited). 13:51, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Halloween 2006
Were you planning on finishing making the articles for Halloween 2006? 00:22, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Randomness
http://i.imgur.com/eNPUsQd.gif

17:39, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Stop
18:51, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Which thread, and where, and what do you mean??
 * 2) I assume you're referring to this thread?
 * 3) I don't have a tantrum, but by your use of words.. I think you might have one... why?? People have been removing quote the whole time.
 * 4) The Audio files are just the same as the written quotes, idk why you would keep those audio files while removing the written quotes - I was just being consistent.


 * Yes to Moia, no to Kril (I didn't see that one), but added to that, I also had that correction spree (in which I didn't take the time to see if I had PMs or reverts) and also because of the longer history of the adding and removing etc of quotes. I thought I would sort of fix it :3 19:14, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Banner carrier images
Instead of reverting them, you wanna orb them since I can't orb while I'm an easter egg on the ground? --BrenRS (talk) 23:51, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Imps
I mean I'll stand there for as long as you need me to.. to get good angles. The angles I did showed most of the imp and a good portion of the banner. Let me know when you wanna go orbing --BrenRS (talk) 21:26, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

concept art and godhood tiers
from runefest I presume?? xD (btw, just wanted to tell you the citations at the tiers table is now a bit missed up) 13:30, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Mortar
"Mortar" itself isn't used at all during the event. i have only seen "plaster" as a required resource, and i haven't seen "mortar" being used in the event interface. btw, mortar/plaster is combined in the official wiki page. so im wondering if you have seen it being used? 12:53, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * yeah, just realised after i posted this. my bad. :( 13:01, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Burden of Proof lies with FSWE1 - not me
Burden of proof my friend: Fswe1 has to provide proof that the name he gave the World Gate quest = the Fate of the Gods, the only source he provided supported my edit (that they started a World Gate quest). 12:55, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry.. seems I didn't remove enough, that was a small oversight :-/  12:58, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also... tyvm for looking up that quote :3 Much appreciated 13:02, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I thought Srowley was working on the World Gate quest... At least, the AtL thing said so. Guess they gave Fate priority then. Anyway, thanks. 15:08, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * That assumption is correct ;)  17:07, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

World Events
Y u do dis ;-; Talk:Battle of Lumbridge 17:16, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's why those parameters are optional, so they can be filled out when relevant and left out otherwise. 17:58, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * At least one instance - BoL - requires them. Ergo not pointless. 18:57, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * You assume it will stay year 1 forever. This is unlikely. The other parameters are not pointless. "Not worth having because used once" is bogus, because they're optional. 19:25, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we can't be consistent, due to world events varying greatly in nature. The BoL needed battle parameters, for example, a future event might not. There is no universal WE infobox, unfortunately. 19:34, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cabbageth. 19:51, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Barfs Barves Barrows
I'm going to make an RfM for Barrows and Barrows - Rise of the Six if someone doesn't speedy merge it somewhat soon. Want to convince me not to? Oh, alternatively it could be made a subpage of Barrows to avoid having a very long article. 07:25, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Ño Seren proof?
Define: Proof, I think this is a good description: evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement. We know: Looking at the totality of it... it seems undeniable to me that Zaros cannot be the god that changed (the representation of) his gender after being ascended - he never even ascended. Seren did, she seems the only reasonable choice... 09:46, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Seren is said to be ascended, Zaros is said to not be ascended;
 * 2) Both Seren and Zaros are described as crystal (but Seren for a long time);
 * 3) In the quote, the crystal god is described to be ascended, Zaros has never ascended.


 * Sure.. and maybe he as talking about Ocellus.. he was worshiped too, for a moment (by the Church of ascention), and he as those crystals on his body - we have no confirmation what they are, but we assume it's runestones+tears of Guthix. Meanwhile Raven DID mention the work ascension in the context I sketched, hear read it, please.

Clearly this weird crystal god is the exception - only option now Seren. 10:11, November 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * lol, what is this, I can't even... are you relly suggesting that although it is perfectly reasonable to deduce it to that point, but because Raven can troll... we should never assume he's telling the truth: Assume trolling unless proven otherwise? Should we also remove all the other things Ravens aid there?? At any time??  10:21, November 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * " feel free, but it's your fault if it gets proven wrong and the Wiki's reputation for inaccuracy is further justified" *shakes head in palmface* 13:42, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just popped by to tell you: you guys were right, he was joking... he shouldn't do that in FAQs :(  Regardless, you were right ;)  22:28, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Prime
A few problems: That source says nothing about Prime except: Nothing about cheerful or patron...
 * Ben Zoli: 3,Is Brassica Prime a god?
 * Osborne: 3. Yes! But I'm afraid they won't play a part in upcoming story content. I'm sorry!

And if "Deliciousness" is "Probably a joke", why not be as conservative with adding it as we were with Seren's transgenderedness, which was also a "random" "throwaway" comment of a Jmod. This is that double standard (if you will) what I was talking about. 12:10, November 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * If that is so, then that reference should be added, and not the current one. Furthermore, while I completely agree that Prime is 'a joke', he's not a joke . He's given an actual tier, e.g. He should be treated the same. Prime should not be exempt from wiki standards, I think. If we can't add that Zanik means extinction in Check or Nag in Dutch to the Zanik page because her name isn't based on those words (it's mere random correlation), then we shouldn't give leniency like that to Prime either. If Seren needs to have a serious reply-source, Prime needs that too. Otherwise, what's the point of mentioning him at all. We shouldn't add a template above, saying: Note Prime is a joke and no information on this page should not be taken seriously. -- 12:33, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re:BoL
K'ril implies it during MPD. Saradominist victory implies that Saradomin won. The gods becoming weaker/stronger is a minor thing IMO, but feel free to add it. 17:14, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

naragi homeworld
the page is the place you can visit after tww. The place you visit during tww is only a memory of Guthix, not the actual place -- lorewise. The reason you don't unlock music in the actual place is because you already unlocked it during tww, which isn't the same place (it's a memory of the place). -- 15:10, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Family trees
Woo! I made a few others too, like on Thok, Gertrude, Caleb, Baxtorian, Stario, Tolna, Narras... They're cool things once you get used to the template coding. 19:01, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hang on... are you trying to say Thok didn't gave birth to himself? At any rate, knock yourself out. I wouldn't say "Daddy Thok" though, that isn't very encyclopedic. 19:18, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Uhm. No. They were turned into mindless monsters. Well, yes, chaos dwarves are more powerful in the literal sense of the word, but they became his mindless slaves. So yeah, they received "strength through chaos (read: Zamagic)" in a way, but it benefitted only Zamorak and not themselves (fortunately they were able to prevent an utter genocide). Also, extrapolating is funny! 16:12, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * ...in case you're being serious: even if that is what Zamorak teaches (which I dispute, but suppose...), it was completely collateral. They just foiled his plans to turn them into a massive army and lost magic in the process. That made them weaker. Much weaker. The fact that they recovered and replaced the magic does not mean they were made stronger by Zamorak's curse. If they'd never been affected and kept their magic, they'd probably be much stronger (to keep using that word) now. 17:50, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Their society suffered a massive blow. Had they not suffered this blow, they would've been much stronger (in whichever way you want). Remember the Fremennik were powerful and in large numbers. Also, they probably ambushed them but w/e. 17:59, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh? Why wouldn't they have? They might have. 18:58, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly. So they were already very strong. They'd likely have developed it further too. But suppose you're right; them overcoming the curse was very much against Zamorak's goals so they didn't follow his "teachings" at all, otherwise he'd have praised it. 19:25, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Zamorak isn't Seren. He needed an army. He would've done anything to get it. He wouldn't say "Ah, you've beaten my curse. Well done, have some tea and off you go." Even if he would, that would be speculation. And even if what you'er saying about Zammy is true, then he would've only cared about it if the dwarves were his followers (he also likes betraying his followers, but that aside). Why the Zamorak would Zamorak be content with accidentally helping (as you interpret it) helping some random beardy Guthixian midgets? 07:21, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * John A said no. Also, all information on that page is obejective. Nobody is trying to make him look bad (but I do have the feeling some people are trying to make him look good), it's just got the plain truth; he is a backstabbing dirty rat. Moia seems to be an exception - probably because he can use her well. As for that village, he set them on fire. That was a horrible act. If he really wished to make them stronger, he'd used magic to do so or sent over an architect to expand their village or something. Incinerating the village is not an act of benevolence. 12:30, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen, Zammy is all about unlocking potential and gaining power by appealing to darkness within yourself (like here). However, this must be done without any doubt, or he will destroy you. Or something. 12:39, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * It can be concluded by collecting various sources. A lot, actually. However, claiming that the dwarves became stronger due to Zamorak's curse and that was his (secondary) intention is bollocks. If he'd wanted to make them stronger, he'd have used his magic to, you know, amplify their magic, not turn them into monsters. But he didn't. 12:46, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not denying that he believes that (I do think it's nonsense, but that aside). It's even in line with much older sources, like Randa's' diary... thing. However, I am denying that there is evidence Zamorak has ever intentionally acted in accordance to his beliefs. Well, except Moia, although we still don't know what exactly happened with her and Bill. Btw, upload the Bilrach and Safalaan art plox. 17:36, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, utter coincidence. If he'd wanted to help them, he wouldn't have tried to kill them all. And what you mentioned can be said for the opposite; we don't know whether he approved or not that they overcame the curse so we should arguably not mention it at all. And again, we still cannot say they became more powerful due to having been forced to develop technology etc. after losing magic, because they might've become even more powerful if they'd retained magic. Maybe they would've, maybe not. The Imcando dwarves aren't really comparable here due to having "evolved" from the other dwrves over the course of approx. 6000 years. 17:49, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 18:44, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Please review RS:UTP with regards to this edit. Using edit summaries for flaming is not acceptable. Consider this your last warning for such things. I would suggest using edit summaries to explain your changes and why the page was inaccurate instead of fuelling the constant bickering over lorepages.

Template...
If you're uploading any interface images that this template could apply to, feel free to use it. I went pixel by pixel to make some pixels translucent. In other words this is a perfect trans. http://i.imgur.com/s8XQuaK.png Thanks for reading --BrenRS (talk) 05:55, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Random cute
http://i.imgur.com/gWG3WwS.jpg

19:43, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Moar hints
Ooh, look, WGS hints from 15 September 2008. "Shh! It's a secret! So secret that not even the candles knew. But they would look, and they would guess, and red faded to darkness and extinguished the candles of failure. But the red beacon was not alone in its flicker. No, all lights mimicked the one that came before. They took turns being the glowing eye, and now the eye was blue. But that's when Hugixt took it away!"

"But Tighux put his fist down and demons as well as angels flew!"

Might want to add that to this. 13:17, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

table thingy
There are tiers. These tiers have been given a name and number. These are inseperable. Elder gods are always tier 1, not 5 or 3. The characters on those tiers can change, but the link between a tier's name and number cannot. You may have noticed that the table looks a little small anyway. So if we can conserve some space, I think we should do it, especially if they are so linked.

Sure abilities and limitation are also linked to the tier. But that is a description of the tier, while the number and name are the tier. Btw, do you like AnselaJonla's solution too? I would only like to increase the width a little so that tier names aren't pushed together that much... btw, can't the table be made wider all together, there's a lot more space on the right anyway not used by anything. 11:24, November 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * No. Because "name"+"number"="tier", the description(abilities&limitations) are just that: descriptions of the tier, whereas the tier is something else.  11:38, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * idk why you don't see it :P I mean look at the lay out as well, seems like you already know it.
 * It's like this:
 * {|class=wikitable

!colspan=2|Tier !!rowspan=2|Abilities & Limitations !!colspan=2|Gods ! # !!Name !!Current position !!Past position
 * }
 * Not like this:
 * {|class=wikitable

!colspan=3|Tier !!colspan=2|Gods ! # !!Name !!Abilities & Limitations !!Current position !!Past position While AnselaJonla's solution makes it look nicer it doesn't really change the point. -- 11:59, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * }

Ashdale edits
If headings are to be half-capitalised then the style guide should be updated to reflect this - it says to use lowercase apart from the usual proper nouns, etc. Duffmaaan (talk) 11:02, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Common trees
In April 27th, 2013 you added a trivia info on the tree page saying this:


 * There are at least 341,581 standard updated trees in RuneScape.

What did you mean with 'standard updatated trees'... And where this number come from? you gave no explanation or sources for that... For a clan event I am to host I did count every trees on the surface map (contact me if you want me to send you a copy of the details) and there are way less trees that what you say... There are (as of november 5th, 2013) 16 060 trees in runescape and 630 stumps... Even if I missed few or mismath, we are far from your number... And only 2311 of them can be categorised as common tree... I saw you edited tons of stuff so I doubt this was vandalism, but where is the source and what this 'standard updated' expression mean. Proulxs (talk) 12:50, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Voices
I need you to play TDoC and MPD without music and record all voices, including minors like York, Graves, Archibald, the dead elf, etc. But here be the good news: WebCite removed the warning about quitting; perhaps they've reached their goal somehow? 13:45, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dooo itttt 17:16, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * I assume that's for the beliefs section? I recommend:


 * 'twas already a slightly reworded version of yours. :P But I'll let you have this one if you do dem voices. :3 12:29, December 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * EventuallyTM ©2013 15:38, December 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, voices from the BoL people. Ans WE2 too... 15:43, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

RERE
What? Really? That's incredibly stupid. Sorry I have no clue how they've poorly changed summoning. You should reword the sentence I guess. It should still work the way I've set it up with a parameter and all. Summoning pages are a mess anyways.

I'm thinking I could change that parameter to default to "This pouch is created at an obelisk" and having it set to yes mention it needing to be uncharged first.

I don't really feel like adding the uncharged pouch images myself, but I'm not against a parameter for them; I'm against a parameter if no one is going to fill it. wink wink.

Basically, we can still have everything work out properly using that new parameter, right? 22:10, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * So I see the infobox has changed. I do agree this isn't ideal, and I'm certainly not saying this is the solution to end all solutions for the uncharged summoning pouches, but it's a start, right? And now that my mistake has been rectified, it's a good start? Right? Better than the nothing we had before? 17:51, December 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's an easy fix, but not one I'm going to bother trying to make on my iPod (yay for the new "(mobile)" crap in page histories. Suppa, juey, cam, cook - any of them can do this for you, just explain what you need. If it's not done before I'm next on my computer though, I'll get it done. 18:12, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

Words
Autonym and Antonym 17:55, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

well
that was basically Haidro's decision, feel free to read it back on my talk page - at least, how I understood it.

"In the "Normal" section, there will be the current image, the godhood tier 4/5, and the examine info from MPD and BOTD. In the BoL section, there will be the BoL option, both tiers 4/5, and the BoL examine/s."

I don't see why quests would be different... well, maybe you should link me to the decription of the switch template use page. I may well be wrong :P Which may be the root of the problem :P  18:32, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Postbag
Zanik, probably, if the thing I wrote to Melville doesn't get in. As for Assdale, it has to be non-canon per Occam's razor, seeing that a holiday, stupidity coupled with omniscience and mass amnesia aren't likely. 15:50, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Lemme put it this way. $$ ((A \or B) \and \neg A) \to B$$ and $$((P \to B) \land P) \to B$$ In this case; $$((contradiction \to not-canon) \land contradiction) \and (canon \or not-canon) \and \neg canon) \to not-canon$$. 17:09, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * But ^. 18:26, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Jagex are never going to admit that considering Mod Goya or whoever doesn't listen to reason about it. That said, we don't need a source because I deducted that whatever contradicts set lore is non-canon using a logically valid argumentation. Maybe we could use it for Magda only (since the existence of the island itself is a decent notion), but the official wiki claims Ashdale is made up of people from Lumbridge (that's right: another lorefail regarding the founding date of poor Lumby) so I fear it may be a massive mush of inaccuracies. You'll know better than I though, since you've sctually played it. :P Aso, xmas bts sounds fun. And Ana's hair is... orange... 18:38, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait... where is it said Ashdale has citizens of Lumbridge and why is that a lore fail?? People can move.  19:26, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Offical wiki article says it was founded by citzens of Lumbridge before Lumbridge was actually founded. 19:43, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * lol, terrible... srsly... probably the worst update ever. Well.. maybe it can be spun into: it was founded by the same people that also founded Lumbridge, the ppl that founded Lumbridge also had to come from somewhere... :-/ 19:41, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * What if Lumbridge has 'always' been there? --Deltaslug (talk) 19:46, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * But the people who founded Lumbridge were Claudius of Misthalin and his vasall Polonius. Not only were they not born yet at the time of Ashdale's (alleged) founding, the king would not have had jurisdiction in the Southern Sea. 09:15, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * idk what you mean with "jurisdiction", don't you mean that the kind wasn't able or aware of (that part of) the southern sea? Also Claudius' ancestors could've founded Ashdale. The term "the people that founded Lumbridge" could be seen as broader than a group of defined individuals, it could be a nation. 13:00, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no; "The island on which Ashdale stands was first settled in approximately 1619 of the Fourth Age by emigrants from Lumbridge, who left the mainland is pursuit of a better quality of life." And here. 14:47, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Bandos is right in the sense that the strong rule the weak, right by might is effectively how it works. If that's what you mean with acquiring jurisdiction, then fine. But you cannot have jurisdiction over a place you do not own. If Lumbridge and Ashdale are like India and Claudius is like Britain in this Eddie Izzard sketch (Do you have a flag?), then we agree, but I think you're just using the wrong words. Also, this is from the Lumbridge page: "*In the game, "Armies of Gielinor" on Funorb, the other website by Jagex, in the Saradomin campaign there is a level called "Bridge the Lum" whereby the 6 Barrows Brothers are rejoined. This is definitely a reference to Lumbridge, even though Lumbridge was not around during the Third Age, when Armies of Gielinor is set. See canon. However, it is possible that the stage was set before Lumbridge was founded, where only very small villages existed.". What I mean to say: ppl can live in Lumbridge without it being officially founded by Claudius, sail to Ashdale, live there, then Lumbridge is officially founded. 21:27, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Wikimon
Why did you change the bird link on Armadyl from wikipedia to wikimon? Is this some sort of visual editor glitch or was it intentional?

override component detailed images
how do u get these images? so kawaii... 04:04, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Astral Path
Are you absolutely sure this counts as speculation? Frankly, I can't imagine the Astral Path people being anyone else than the Kethsians. They were more experienced in magic than the Moonclan and the fact that the manual mentions that the stone returned after brining destruction to the realm of the Astral Path people kind of makes it very very very obvious. 19:55, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * They will prevent ruin from befalling the altars, aye. But they describe the ruin as the same which had struck 'the dimension'. I.e. Kethsi. Probably. 20:09, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ambiguous, 'innit? If you read carefully, it could refer to both Gielinor as well as Kethsi, although the grammar would be icky. At any rate, we could at least mention the Astral Path smurfs are 'possibly' Kethsians. 20:24, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Armadyl colours
Armadly's associated colours are listed as "White, pale blue, silver, amber, orange". I have a theory on this that may make sense.

God Wars and before, Armadyl was associated with the colours white, pale blue and silver, for whatever reason. But then Zamorak blasted Forinthry, wiping out the armies within that land, which included the entirety of Armadyl's Aviansie troops, and what he thought was the entire Aviansie race.

But then he returned to Abinnah, found the remnants of the Aviansie there, and he changed his form, his "aspect", to that of the phoenix. And then he returned to Gielinor, after the edicts were lifted, and it is at that time that the colours red and amber came to represent him also.

Is this logical to anyone you? 10:30, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Image
Hi Battleben,

You made a image, but it's wrong:, its located more north west, close the Black knights fortress.

Sorry for my maybe bad English, but I'm Dutch u see.

-- 16:40, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Cauldron and Kiln, Aviansie and Aviantese
They're called that on the official wiki. It's also consistent with the naming of the TzHaar Fight Pit and TzHaar Fight Cave. 15:19, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * This for one. This for another. It's obvious Mod Osborne is just being silly. >.> Revert plox. 15:22, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Unofficial (i.e. without saying "we've retconned this") retcons aren't really retcons IMO. Until it is literally stated that they retconned it for whatever cabbage reason they came up with, let's stick with the most likely explanation that isn't a retcon. Which is that someone forgot that the plural is "aviantese" at some point, used "aviansie", thinking it to be similar to Mahjarrat and Dragonkin and stuff, and it all went downhill from there, with Mod Osborne eventually becoming confused and killing many ducks with his sharp teeth . Uhm, right. Anyway, as for them being a different breed... Not impossible but very unlikely, since the aviantese currently in the GWD have been referred to as aviantese by Ashuelot and (incorrectly, if you ask me) as aviansie by slayer masters and cabbage. But yes, retconning without saying it's a retcon isn't awfully likely. ...then again, 'tis Jagex. 15:41, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting theory. Ask Mod Raven! 15:47, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * As I stated on Leon's talk cabbage, "aviansie" as plural is probably just a common misspelling of "aviantese" like it's "Mahjarrat" and not "Mahjarrats" or "pokémon" and not "pokémons" or "platypodes" and not "platypi". Also, aviantese looks cooler, but that aside... 16:02, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * On an unrelated matter, she's new indeed. 16:05, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Since when do mistakes have priority when an important cabbage says it? And I've "told" you you have my blessings for mooooving them. 18:03, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Admittedly nothing direct saying that, no. It be the most likely explanation though, since contradiction of the established is a mistake. Unless it's not a contradiction and aviantese are a group of aviansie or vice versa or whatever. Like necrosyrtes turned out not to be a synonym for Dwagonkin (that said, if there hadn't been a wiki article on them, I highly doubt Mod Osborne will have remembered them...). Thus the best option is to stalk Raven/Osborne about it. 18:56, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, Sir Gerry's message says aviantese. Can we change it to that now? 10:11, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, that's not really a theory, hypothesis maybe. But a nice idea for a story elaboration, that's sure for :3  11:55, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * He just said "...aviantese, no, what am I saying, aviansie..." IIRC so that isn't a real confirmation. Either way, you seem to be assuming he is always correct, when this is most likely to be a mistake by him which has found its way into recent Armadylian content. That or they are indeed a faction/group/breed/etc. but that's just a theory. 12:53, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't recall him saying that, but I'll trust you on it. Even so, both terms are used simultaneously atm so the natural thing to do would be to assume the newer one is a contradiction of the earlier one. 13:08, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 'tis obvious, but technically you're right, aye. Ask Mod Raven, I suppose. 13:21, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

RS:3RR
While I completely agree with you on e.g. this edit. There's one problem: "In the case of lore-related articles, do not in substance revert a previous revert to the article. Content disputes can and should be taken to the article's talk page (and involved parties should be notified), and no further related edits should take place to the relevant sections until the conflict is resolved.". -- 15:23, December 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Fswe's edit was basically a revert of a change what was done earlier. If I'm wrong about it... okay, I guess..  15:44, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * lol, okay :3
 * Edit-conflicts are a real bitch :(  11:25, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

To-do list

 * The Death of Chivalry voices
 * Missing, Presumed Death voices and images
 * Battle of Lumbridge voices
 * By the time you get there, Rite of Passage voices 17:30, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * You know, the harbringer near Yanille and the panicking soldier and... those other voices... that...you...recorded...? 18:24, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, good boy. Can I have my money now? :D What're you using it for anyway? 18:37, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I mean, what are you going to use my 5M for? As for the winners, the two members of the winning pair should each receive a reward worth a couple of millions, the runner-up team a bit less and the third place 500k or 1M each or so. It's probably best to trade me the rewards anyway, since I suspect you may be one of the winners. :p 18:56, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, so donate a lot! :P I thought a reward for the winning pair might also be a special insight in the Kinshra book, if you and Kitty agree. Without spoilers like Ajjat obviously. Unless, say, you and Robo win. :P 19:05, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * this 09:46, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Unused files
I am giving you and Fartwall the same message. I have been going through literally every file on the wiki to weed out the images not used in the mainspace and from there, scoping out the images that should not be on the wiki.

Fswe, for some reason or another, is the biggest perpetrator for unused images. Whether he just never used them, or they were removed at some point, or something else... I don't know. All I know is that these images are not used in the mainspace. They need to be used in the mainspace. I figured you two, being such pals as you are, could sort out what you want to do with these images.

My list can be found here. The first list is your guys' stuff, the second is a short thing of inventory icons you may want to add to GU (unless an historical file for that already exists, in which case I will fix all of its uses).

At the time of posting, I have only looked at the first 26,000 files on the wiki. It is 2:18 AM for me as I type this sentence, and it turned 2:19 before I ended it. Ben, your message was copy-pasted; it just turned 2:23. I'm tired, yo, but I do plan to finish this project (likely tomorrow); I'm just letting you guys know my intentions before I completely finish. I'll give you both one more post for the latter batch once I'm done, and, shortly after, I will have anything unused in the mainspace deleted.

This is your final chance to make use of these images. Put them in the mainspace, or they're going poof. 07:23, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Second batch, as promised. 16:39, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Zaros
ty, I compldetely agree. I was mistaken about waht I called is incorpeal form. I was just wondering why you removed "(note that this is not how he actually looked, merely an artistic impression)" from the Origins of Gielinor picture. The others are concept art of how he will really look, while the motion-comic art is confirmed to not be. Don't you think that's somewhat important to mention? New/novice players don't know that 11:53, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks :3


 * Haha, yes they glow... and the glow PURPLE!! So purple is just his natural colour. Btw, have you noticed the.... thing on his forehead?? Is it a symbol, a dimple, a pimple?  12:31, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Btw, also notice that he looks smilimar to Seren, and has 5 crystal-claw-fingers but only 3 nail-claw-toes.  12:33, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, that looks similar to Seren's forehead... but the Elder god(dess) does look a bit differnt there. Btw, I also think that has to be the Freneskae creator god :P I wonder if there was a solid link between Zaros and the Mahjarrat. Maybe the former knew but the latter didn't. What do you reckon?  14:02, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Divine animal aspect
I'd love to see your input here, I hope you can help me :3 13:51, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Tyvm for responding... especially in such detail! I should've... checked Iccy's examination first btw :P That was silly... 10:01, January 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Also... don't worry, if I am going to do anything with that, I would like to ask for feedback first or you can simply revert the change anyway. Every now and then I play around with it a bit.
 * Sorry but I don't understand, what do you mean with this "Why are the edit parameters next to things that are already filled in"?
 * So... the reason that I placed the AKA and Autonym on the top (above the image) is because the name of the deity is given on the top, just above the infobox (with everything). I thought since the AKA as well as the Autonym are rather dependent on the name of the deity in question, why not place them close together, get that out the way. I thought it looked quite okay. I agree that it looks waaay too wide :P I still want to change that, didn't look into where it came from. About the philosophy part.. you said that it was decided against calling it philosophy but keep calling it alignment. Well, since Jagex calls it philosophy I thought it was a good idea to change it accordingly. I agree if could've been better to ask you guys' input in that too, but.. well. I didn't :P Sorry. Could you give me a link to the discussion you´re talking about.
 * Also you say "the dead" and "the sun" not being an alignment. I assume you meant to say philosophy and not alignment, but still... it's not much of an alignment either. And if you take that to be a mostly metaphorical summary, then it could just was well be described as a philosophy. While caring/shepherding for the dead could have been more of a task for Icthlarin rather than a philosophy/alignment, it also does say something about the things he values and thus his Philosophy.
 * While I share your opinion about Sara=hypocrite and his deluded followers calling him good... those cannot be really seen as an alignment/philosophy, etc. They are words that carry value-judgments. If you want to be really anal, I think you can't say wisdom is hit primary alignment either: order is. 10:01, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * I mostly see him described as the God of Order, sometimes Wisdom too (but certainly not always), and more recently Light keeps coming back a lot.
 * But tell me, why would it be bad to not show most/all of his alignments, or the ones claimed to be (as long as there is a reference). Might help to illustrate Saradominism better... 11:38, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * If this is the pattern, then it's just more frequent, but not necessarily primary. And a few more words in the alignment box surely doesn't look as cluttered as the different mentionings of participating in quest or the various examinations.


 * Order ||90%-100%
 * Wisdom ||40%-60%
 * Light ||5%-10%
 * Purity ||1%-5%
 * etc. ||...
 * } 12:11, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Purity ||1%-5%
 * etc. ||...
 * } 12:11, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * } 12:11, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

RE
You can move them all... I don't plan to be on the wiki because I have important irl business. The page and file moves were in accordance to how the items were renamed: Fallen star (Skill) became Large fallen star (Skill); bright became huge. It's not my fault Jagex went ahead and switched the icons as well. As for waiting to make pages: that's a very stern no. I'll make proper articles as soon as there's information to make them with. This whole fallen star thing is a clusterfuck that's annoyed me more than it has you. 13:30, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Both of you oughta get your facts straight before complaining. I also thought the normal fallen stars were the small stars... checked JagWiki.. nope... 13:44, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

Concept arts
Have I done something wrong with the concept arts? Like they aren't from official source or something like that or I uploaded something that you intended to upload? I'm just not sure if I understood your post correctly, so I'd like to make things clear. As for the source I put it in Tony's discussion.--Mariobaryla (talk) 15:50, January 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for ruining the idea then, I wasn't aware of that. I was just making some research after mod Osborne put an end to his concept Fridays, but I wasn't sure if I can upload images from that site, so I kept them to myself. Recently I saw some of them here and thought they are being published by another mod, so I decided to upload the missing ones. I could have asked first, I guess. I believe some are still left though and it isn't the only source of concepts. But sorry anyway.--Mariobaryla (talk) 16:09, January 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * "It's fine, I can find plenty more." Where do you find them?? 11:59, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

s
pls assume good faith - as you are supposed to ;) 13:51, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. I checked some pages and didn't see it... so I just added it, thought it fitted :P 14:17, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

relenve
relenve

Re:Zaraorts
So a Jmod, in this case Mod Jack, said that something a Jmod says may be false. But we have no idea who it was and what it is... so you arbitrarily seem to pick some details of some arbitrary topic while remaining the greater total of said topic.

A refusal to comment if "X" is true, does not make "X" false (sure, doesn't make it true either).

It really really seems weird how some things are picked. Seems to me that a discussion similar to the one we had about the canoninity (if that's a word) of the God letters seems fit here. Because if we have to arbitrarily decide if some statements are true or not... why not just say, the whole Above the Lore thing... just Jmod statements, we don't see it as true. It's not canon. Assdale, however... is totally true, because that was in-game.

A Jmod said Zaros never ascended, the same Jmod later said Zaros was created, now... for some unknown reason (because Mod Jack's point doesn not distinguish between the two) only the latter is decided as untrue, while the former is still considered true. 19:44, January 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * I hope you're okay with it if I come back to you on this... maybe sometime tomorrow? Rather busy today for a dead line :3 10:58, January 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * In the meantime... feel free to re-revert Zaros ;-P 10:59, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've listened to the things that I thought I heard something similar too... but I didn't find it. I agree with "unknown". 18:33, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Template:Mahjarrat
Ah, I see what you mean. I put him where he was because that's... where he was before. I would like to meta-order (alive/deceased) them like this too when the Tiers of Mahjarrat come out, but slightly different then (per meta-order also in order of tier), like such: Mahjarrat A Tier a, Mahjarrat BTier b. I hope you see what I mean :P 19:40, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Zarosian ruins?
While I was heading back from a wilderness coordinates clue, I took this path through the dead forest. While passing through I noticed ruins within the forest; pillars at the south end of the path, walls among the trees, a trio of statues, with the two western ones bearing Zarosian symbols, and an archway (actually the first thing I noticed) with a couple more pillars beyond it.

Are these Zarosian ruins hidden in a wilderness forest? Any idea which of Forinthy's cities they might have been from? 05:48, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Wah-ha-hest-its-est-hessel?
How do you even pronounce that mahjarrat's name??!? -- 17:20, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

Ritual of the Mahjarrat/Transcript
I just started to read this and wow... there's a hell of a lot of spelling/grammar issues with it. 16:27, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Coz 5 ~ look like 4 ~ to my horribly pathetic eyesight. 16:36, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Kayle Defeated
Just out of curiosity, for future reference, why did you retake the picture of Kayle? -- 00:28, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Ohey
you like lore. I like lore. Lets be geeks together. Hmm wow i really like the mahjarr... So how exactly are we supposed to go about getting character images from Heist? -- 17:59, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, but im confused about that, because of the look alike image policy. Do I just save and rename? -- 17:03, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright awesome. The shady stranger picture I uploaded was actually taken of a thief in Varrock, because i could get it with an OOO. It could also be used on it's appropriate page. -- 17:10, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Oh and btw
Thank you for your galleries. They made my day. -- 19:39, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Mahmem
The MM article should have headings for each memory/Mahjarrat and consistently outline their requirements and contents (and other rewards, if they exist). Agweed? 12:05, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

Ourgs
I had a lore question, and the first person I knew to come to (I don't know very many people). On Bandos' page, it says that when Armadyl killed him, his race became extinct. Im assuming that means that his cheif engineer was killed in the blast? -- 17:53, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see; thanks for the explanation.

Yea, that kind of makes me peeved; Before I was immersed by the lore, and just kind of f***ed around in RS, i was confused as to why people were surprised by TWW for seeing Saradomin for the first time, when my understanding was that he's been around since 2007. -- 19:18, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Zaros
Would "Created by the Elder Gods" be sufficient for Zaros' race? It's what he is, at the end of the day. 14:03, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * And this is why preview is your friend, Ali. 14:03, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Zaros' race
Yeah, I guess it could. But then again that could make it sound as if 'unique' is the name of his race. In the end we just don't know, we also don't know Bandos, we don't type "rhino-shark-like" at his race. Maybe the quest will give a nice idea. I don't see why we can't just wait and even if that doesn't give an answer, we can't we jsut say that we don't know. There's nothign wrong with saying you don't know. It's worse to say something that's not true, imho. 17:25, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that you can't really speak of "race" with something that is the single being of... its 'race', even if there are two (e.g. Seren) it wouldn't make much sense. So in that sense we could not mention it at all or simply say "N/A". But to say his race is "Zaros" or "Unique", again, doesn't feel right either. If you do want to say something about his race just say "N/A" or "inapplicable" something like that.. "None" maybe, but not "Zaros" or "Unique" - pls ;) 20:00, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Zaros
I'm not sure if my opinion really matters in something like this, but I support your idea of race being 'Unique' because (as you said) Jagex mentioned him being unique like a million times. I think this will be the best option and should settle this race problem (probably until Fate of the Gods comes out) 22:16, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

2014 RSW Family Photo
The 2014 RSW Family Photo is in! Feel free to check it here! See you all again next year, 21:47, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Moving pages
Please fix your dragon riders double redirects. 04:40, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Hannibus.png
Do not replace perfectly acceptable images with your own for the sole purpose of them being your own. RS:OWN. 21:55, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Dragon Riders
The trivia section was removed due to no proof of it being true, in 07scape lizardmen were said to be turned into the dragonkin not the dragon riders. We have no proof of the dragon riders being the lizardmen and that is why the trivia seciton was removed. Sly Fawkes (talk) 23:40, March 11, 2014 (UTC)

Ooak
Eh, why'd you remove the recommendation to read the journal transcripts? It helps understanding the plot. And why did you remove the collapsed table? Now the solution is just given away. 21:06, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * People may just want a hint for the riddle, rather than the entire solution. May need an extra few lines... Also, aren't chatheads a bit too cluttery, pushing images down? :/ And the actual riddle also has the line breaks; why'd you remove them? PS. My screen is huge, I can't help that. :P 21:14, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

"Faked" it?
So I get bored sometimes and like to go through file history. I'm curious as to what you meant in the chat head description when you said "You cheated": http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/File:King_Black_Dragon_chathead.png -- 17:00, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

something to stare at
http://i.imgur.com/9JOhfF3.png

because you seem to love it --Jlun2 (talk) 21:08, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Infernal Dimentions
Cheers about the book - I hadn't actually read that one yet. Fire World is definitely Zamorak's homeworld though, no way it's not. And yeah, after I made that edit, I realized treeworld is likely Elf homeworld, haha, but wasn't able to undo it due to being on my phone :/ 22:22, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

about your hazeel gif
Can you please tell Spineweilder how you got File:Hazeel's Revival.gif so he can retake it? --Jlun2 (talk) 00:56, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * The player is holding OOO and is not in base clothes. Oh well. --Jlun2 (talk) 18:42, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

That was rude
Just logging off when I was in the middle of trying to counter what you were saying.

Think of it like this: you're piecing together a lost history, one bit at a time. You find one bit, and some parts of it don't make sense, there are references to something you've just not found yet. Then a bit later on you find something else, which provides the context to what you found earlier.

Archaeologists and historians don't always find the pieces of their research in a logical, linear manner, so is it really that big a deal if players doing some magical divine memory archaeology get that same experience?

This is, of course, assuming that players are even doing it for the lore, and not just destroying the books as soon as they get them because the xp is all that matters. 21:54, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Moia on Freneskae


Has it been confirmed that the plane she went to with Zamorak in his god book wasn't Freneskae? 11:22, March 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh lol I hadn't noticed that. Looking at the two unconfirmed letters now: T is covered in trees - elf homeland? And V is very likely Vampyrium. 16:22, March 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Told you so :) 21:27, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Creatures of Mah
Don't ignore the Zaros memoriam crystals. 02:25, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * In short - you're wrong. I don't really have the time to argue with you about this, so here's the direct quote from the Memoriam Crystals themselves. "...but I have learned their true name - Mahjarrat: 'the children of Mah'." Not "Mahjarrat, a tribe of 'the children of Mah'", "Mahjarrat: 'the children of Mah'." So placing a page called The Children of Mah is utterly pointless, because the Mahjarrat are the Children of Mah, while having a page about creatures of Mah - Mahjarrat, Mahserrat, and Chelon-Mah, actually makes some logical sense. We have no official name for whatever race they are, because according to the very information we have from the quest, Mahjarrat means Children of Mah, plain and simple. The page should remain creatures of Mah until otherwise stated in-game that this is different, or we come up with a better way to deliver the information about the Mahserrat and Chelon-Mah without creating stubs. 11:31, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Which was then refuted by the quest itself, after that. You forget - In-game > stuff said on Twitter. 11:55, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * And no, as well, he says the Mahjarrat are THE "Children of Mah", as in their name literally means Children of Mah. It is how it is written, and is how it is taken. Not very hard to work out, simply from writing cues. The Mahserrat means something entirely different, as does Chelon, unless, when we entered Freneskae, we were called, as a single entity, "Children", and three totally different words mean Children, and suddenly Zaros' translation is wrong. It's really not that difficult - Mod Jack was refuted by the quest and Rowley - Jarrat means Children. Serrat and Chelon do not. Thus Mahjarrat are Children of Mah; Serrat and Chelon are not, thus the race cannot be Children of Mah. 11:59, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Enakhra
"I'd still argue this shouldn't be on the page but whatever" is not adequate justification for reverting an edit. Please provide one, or I will revert back. 09:45, April 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * So you did. My apologies  10:03, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

That one time you turned into Zaros
-- 17:07, April 6, 2014 (UTC)

Hidden updates
Indeed, it wasn't a hidden update. 'twas a shame you just deleted it. 17:52, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

Licensing
I think you forgot a word. 02:48, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

"Dreams of Mah"
Looks like we've finally got an answer as to the Race that the Mahjarrat are part of - the "Dreams of Mah", while their tribe was called the "Children of Mah"! In the new Q&A Campfire, Rowley responds to a question with this answer:

"3) We've slightly revised this. The race is now considered as the 'Dreams of Mah', with Mahjarrat specifically meaning 'Children of Mah'. I like to think Chelon-Mah means 'Beloved or Mah' and Mahserrat something close to that. I've already suggested plans for a return to Freneskae and content to look more into the Freneskae tribes. Maybe that could end up in a poll one day."

It's a bit far down there, but it's there! 19:24, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

Graphs
You're probably looking at the old version. This is the current one. But yes, those old stacked graphs were completely incomprehensible and suggested that Zamorak had 450M points, for instance. 10:40, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

regarding jagex using images on wikia for map
can you please explain this to fergs? I wanted to find an example, but forgot. --Jlun2 (talk) 04:41, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Lore question
As someone who was completely obsessed with Burthorpe before King Narnode conquered the area, I want to know your fascination with Assdale. Ashdale. Yea. -- 20:22, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * And on that note, All my sympathies are with you towards Wahahahahastencilstetchshilcketch. (The fact that i cant spell his name aside, I do know how you feel. -- 18:27, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Loarnab
One of us has amnesia then, because afaik I redirected you to that tweet in-game, you read it and said "oh, ok" or something. If not, my mistake, sowwy. Either way, we should be consistent with other articles, don'cha think? 10:48, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Other NPCs whose infoboxes would be completely empty also don't have them. For Armadyl, Saradomin, etc. we knew the alignment, colours, symbol, etc. but we know literally zero paramaters for Lorenab. And the camel god, for that matter. So to be consistent with other articles, those two should have the infoboxes removed. 14:35, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * You're basically saying that they need the god infobox because they are gods, in spite of it being completely empty. That's rather unnecessary, considering the first sentence on the article mentions that Loarnab was a god and "Camel >>>>GOD<<<<" also implies something. :P 18:26, April 29, 2014 (UTC)