Talk:Soul Wars

Since there's no requirement to actually do anything, and you always get the same points no matter what you've done/not done, this could be a great place to stay whilst watching a film or something similar- Just my thoughts EDIT: Just noticed, can join near the end of a game, like 1 minute away, and still receive points, seems like a good way to train, Tele there, go away to train, come back for the end? 78.146.174.205 16:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's obviously not going to stay that way for long. Jagex isn't fond of people getting rewarded for doing nothing in minigames. WWTDD? 16:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem still exists in Castle Wars. You don't need to do anything, but you still get the points if youe team wins. Perhaps Jagex needs to look into that as well...  17:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, Thanks for replying, it doesn't seem to be against the rules, but it does seems 'unsporting', So I think I'll not 78.146.174.205 17:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Mabey they will do something where you need to get 'x' number or soul fragments or deal 'y' damage to the avatar or a formula puting the two togeter (ex. you need to deal 100 damage to the avatar, but each soul frament you put in counts as 5 damage)Mathwiz908 23:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * All you really need to do to be of use is stand in one of the 'contested' areas. IE graveyards/pillar thingie. 198.208.251.23 23:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Summoning pets
If you offer a stuffed Slayer creature to the guy, will he take it from you? I have a stuffed Crawling hand in my house, and I don't really want to lose it. 17:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no experience with this, but my guess is that he will take the sample from you. WWTDD? 17:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If it's already in your house, you can't get it back anyways. If you remove it you lose the hand. Psycho Robot 03:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Song Unlocks?
Are there any songs associated with Soul Wars? --Hatchenator 17:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, two songs "the Waiting game" for when you're in the game lobby, and "Soul Wars" for when you're actually playing the game. Noble fauf 18:01, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Noble fauf!  --Hatchenator 18:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Pictures
I will help with any pictures for this guide. Just leave a comment here and I will make one.Benrim123 18:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Please expand the Rewards section
Seriously how much do charms cost, we've got to figure this stuff out and stuff (lol). I'll do my part to as well, once when i'm in game... 19:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Im also interested in the reward formulas, but have to go to bed soon. Hope to get answer tomorrow, charms are so slow.. -Kasa pina

I've put the figures from myself and a few friends in a table, and it looks very similar to the organisation of Pest Control points - Several levels next to each other give the same experience, and there are four groups of experience gains. The first group, giving the most experience per zeal, includes attack, defence, strength and hitpoints. The second group giving slightly less is magic and ranged. prayer is on its own in the third group giving less than the others, and finally slayer which gives less than a fifth of the experience that prayer does. I have not been able to determine if the number of charms you get are dependant on combat level or summoning level because nobody I know who has been to the minigame has skill levels that would let me differentiate. --Magma2050 22:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC) - EDIT - I have just looked on the runescape forums and some helpful fellow with the same summoning level as me but a much higher overall combat level has posted his stats and rewards - The number of charms you get would seem to depend on your summoning level only, as our rewards are identical. --Magma2050 22:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I've gone away, collated a few more bits of data, and tried a few things with the Pest Control formula "=CEILING((Level+25)*(Level-24)/606,1)*N". If you put in N=525 for the melee skills, 480 for the magic and ranged skills and 270 for prayer, you get values that match most of what I have collected as listed below. The only one that doesn't match is 85 atk/str/def/hp (possibly due to a typo so if anyone who has 85 in one of those skills can double check, it would be helpful), and I haven't matched up the formula with the slayer yet. I think I'll leave it for other people to experiment with because it's getting late, but I think it shows that the Pest Control formula is the way to go here.

Attack/Defence/Strength/Hitpoints: 85, 5775 xp. 86-87, 6300xp. 90, 6825xp. 92, 6825xp. 94, 7350xp. 95-96, 7875xp. 99, 8400xp.

Magic/Ranged: 83, 5280xp. 86-87, 5760xp. 90, 6240xp. 93, 6720xp. 96, 7200xp. 99, 7680xp.

Prayer: 70-71, 2160xp. 76, 2430xp. 90, 3510xp.

Slayer: 63, 540xp. 79, 810xp. 88, 990xp.

--Magma2050 23:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

With my current stats (including 81 summoning, see my user page) I am offered:
 * 36 blue charms for 30 Zeal,
 * 26 crimson for 12 Zeal,
 * 27 green for 5 Zeal, and
 * 41 gold for 4 Zeal.

Does that work right with the formula you've worked up? 02:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

For magic xp i'm at level 97 and can get 7200xp per zeal. 04:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on the Pest Control formula, I independently tested different numbers and came to the same conclusion that Magma did. I checked slayer, made an equation (N=101.25), got the level up, and it still applied. And kytti, yes, the equation for magic works for your lv.

So the list looks like: Dsctatom 06:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Could another person post how much of each charm they can get? The more info I have the easier it will be to create a formula. Dsctatom 06:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ATK/DEF/STR/HP: N = 525
 * Prayer: N = 270
 * Ranged/Magic: N = 480
 * Slayer: N = 101.25

Using 101.25 for slayer suggests at 86 slayer I should get 1215xp, but I get 990. If I set N=82.5 it works for my level, but breaks the other value I have. Also, these formulae run out below 25 in any level, suggesting that people with levels below 25 cannot exchange for xp, is this right? It would be helpful to get some input from any lower level people who could go there - it is a safe minigame after all, and all that we need is information from the reward window which can be viewed without even playing a game. --Magma2050 07:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think if you're below lv 25 you just get N exp. Because it's doing equation*N or 1*N. If the equation is less than 1, then it defaults to 1. I'll keep messing with slayer. I'm assuming the entire equation is different then. Dsctatom 07:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * cb = 91. att=75/4725, str=66/3675, def=65/3675, hp=70/4200, range=58/2400, mage=70/3840, slay=47/315.
 * charms - gold=4/23, green=5/15, crimson=12/15, blue=30/19. Hope this helps Dgtns 10:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Someone on the Runescape forums has compiled a list of all of the slayer xp given at levels 30-99 (below, separated by commas). He says that the formula above 30 is lvl^2/7.5, rounded up to the nearest 45. The data supports this as there is a clear gap of 45 between each group of numbers. If the actual formula used is a CEILING function, then clearly the final multiplier would have to be 45. He also points out that some other multiplier is going on below lvl 30 slayer, so we may be dealing with a more complex function or a set of functions for each skill. Seeing as the Pest Control formula does not extend below lvl 25 in any skill, and the Pest Control guide specifically states that no skill under 25 can receive experience, and that Soul Wars does not have any such restriction, we really need more data from all of the lower levels in all skills before we can figure out how this system differs. EDIT: I've played around and the following formula is close... VERY close but not perfect: Slayer xp = CEILING((B32+9)*(B32-10)/(7.5*45),1)*45 (NOT working on 3 levels between 30 and 99, or any levels below 30)

Slayer xp (lvl 30-99): 135, 135, 135, 135, 135, 180, 180, 180, 180, 225, 225, 225, 225, 225, 270, 270, 270, 315, 315, 315, 315, 360, 360, 360, 405, 405, 405, 450, 450, 450, 495, 495, 495, 540, 540, 585, 585, 585, 630, 630, 675, 675, 675, 720, 720, 765, 765, 810, 810, 810, 855, 855, 900, 900, 945, 945, 990, 990, 1035, 1035, 1080, 1125, 1125, 1170, 1170, 1215, 1215, 1260, 1260, 1305.

--Magma2050 19:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Formulua
okay so I'm looking at "Slayer xp = CEILING((B32+9)*(B32-10)/(7.5*45),1)*45" formula, being close, but then i realised, "B32"? wtf? (i've heard of B-52s) then i realised, you sank my battleship. 23:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I lol'd. I'm guessing the cell B32 would be the slayer level? 23:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I have to say, the rewards for this game are quite a lot. I forsee in the near future a nerf on the rewards. I shouldn't be able to get 40k prayer and 120k magic experience in 6 hours, just from rewards. Doesn't that seem really high? Not to mention all of the str/hp experience I got from training there... I wouls suggest playing this as much as you can before the rewards get hit like PC. 14:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Im not too sure about that. When PC came out, it sure gave a lot of experience, BUT the game also ended extremely fast so it gave a lot of points. Soul wars is different. It gives a lot of experience, but games finishes in 20 minutes and the max points we can get is only 9....and that is only if you are lucky to win all 3 games in a row. 23:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, B32 is the reference for one of the possible slayer levels in my spreadsheet. Damn you, copy-paste and/or lack of sleep. Please consider the above almost-working formula to read: Slayer xp = CEILING((Slayer+9)*(Slayer-10)/(7.5*45),1)*45 --Magma2050 18:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * lol i was just teasing about b32, i'm very spreadsheet and number oriented, but i still want my battleship back. 04:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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 * It doesn't anymore. That was pretty obvious vandalism. WWTDD? 20:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Equipment Stats bug???
I just reported this to runescape, but when you click on equipment stats you are in spirit / dead form you can see yourself in that form. I can't get a picture of it, but it would be good to have. Mathwiz908 23:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That is not a bug. The stats screen will display whatever you look like at the moment, be it a monkey, penguin, ghost, or human. 03:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I made an image of it now, check 'Rewards' section.--. 16:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Soul War creature qeustion
If your slayer task is say, pyrefiends, if you kill them in the minigame do they count to the number of kills? Mathwiz908 23:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * They are raising my slayer stat, so I assume they are counting towards my kill requirement. Dgtns 10:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Ring of Wealth question
Does wearing a ring of wealth help improve your odds of getting a good reward from gamble? Also who here has been using ring of wealth to determin rewards? Mathwiz908 00:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't done so but I'm pretty sure ROW will NOT give you better rewards in gamble, since it's designed to target on only monster drops. Red X 226 00:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * But dosn't ROW help with gameling in Barbarian Assult? So why wouldn't it also be done for this? Mathwiz908 02:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * A wealth only helps for better monster drops. Treasure trails, Barbarian Assault, Soul wars, or anything that is not monster drops are not affected. 03:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Elaysian
Someone posted a picture showing that they got an elasyian spirit shield from gambling in the game. Can someone confirm this? There is a small chance that the on who added the picture used paint or photoshop to make it look like it. --King x treme 00:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I added this picture, it is posted in the forums of my clan, and it is not me. Not sure if they edited it, i tried to zoom in on it, didn't see any "twix" And I also saw someone on the rs forums saying that they got a elysian as well.--Nosa

I read that part of the forums. Lots of people say its fake... if there is a video or something that may prove it, then the minigame might give it as a reward. --King x treme 00:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

even a video can be faked Axearmour1 00:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Personally I can make a pixel perfect fake based on that. it's just too easy and i'm using gimp. I consider the shield to be highly likely a fake. 04:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Fury?
Ive heard several players claiming that they have received Amulets of fury as a reward from the gamble. Is it possible there is any merit to this?

possible, some people even got higher rewards, such as elysian--Nosa

Charms and combat lvl
im currently working on a lvl 99 summoner with 15 cbt and i currently cant get charms with lvl 4 cbt... can people help figure out the cbt lvl needed to get charms
 * I'll be more than happy to help you in your effects for 99 summoning pure, leave me a message on my talk or PM me in game. 06:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You need to be at least level 5. 03:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

are you shure about the level 5 needed? Only The Elite -  RuneElite  04:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * level 5 cbt isnt the min so im changing to it to 6 [[Image:Green party hat.PNG]] Only The Elite -  RuneElite [[Image:Green party hat.PNG]] 08:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Gambling and fakes
A while ago someone had listed an Elysian spirit shield as a possible reward from the gamble, this was removed (not by me). I have just removed Saradomin Sword and Armadyl Godsword from the list. In my opinion it is INCREDIBLY unlikely that they are a possible reward, no matter HOW rare they are. As the game is set up, a player can gamble after playing just one game. Do you really think that it is possible that Jagex would want it to be possible for a level 3 player to get a very valuable item after only 20 minutes of playing a new minigame? I think that we should air on the side of caution in this respect, and remove any suspiciously valuable items from the list until there is more data and testimony from reliable sources. Psycho Robot 03:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * They are most definently fakes, for many reasons. The picture was well made, but there were several holes in it. Things were off by a few pixels, names were not properly written, things like that. So far the majority of the rewards are summoning seconds. 03:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Should we take careful consideration on gambled items that are neither Prayer- or Summoning-related (except coins)? I'm just worried that they might be fakes without backup data, since someone added rune longsword into the list. Red X 226 04:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I noticed that too. It might be a legitimate reward, since a rune long is only about 20k, but it is the only item not related to summoning and prayer, so I think it should be scratched. I looked at the history and that edit was made by an unregistered user, so that's a clue that its not a reliable edit. I'll remove it now. Psycho Robot 04:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

There are no rare rewards proof, Jmod post. http://forum.runescape.com/forums.ws?15,16,694,58369483,goto,12

Ruby (e) bolts on 2K HP
The Avatar of Creation and Destruction articles say they both have 2K hitpoints. I wonder if anyone can test out whether ruby (e) bolts would work normally against them, i.e. whether they can hit 400 on them or not. Red X 226 04:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I unfortunately just missed the screenie of somebody hitting a 196 on the Avatar of Destruction. I hit Print Screen, but I must have been too late. If I had a decent range level, I'd try it. =\ 15:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd try but I can't live long enough to hit him enough. Everyone sees someone in void and they pile.  I have 99 range, any ideas on how I can get a better chance pm me - octavivs (76 max so far)

i just saw the funniest thing
w145 at the sw waiting area in the decorative cemeteries, people going hog-wild digging for treasures. lucky me i "found" a ddp ! 23:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Holy lag
World 44 is not recommended for Soul wars, you will lag like a snail!! Even trying to get onto a team can be difficult since there is about, 100 to 400 people playing at any one time. O.o Nat12345919 05:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think what you meant to say was, you lagged, which can easily be attributed to your personal location (not so much geographically but moreover net-centrically (if that is a word))... After all if my ISP is the on the same sub-back-bone as that which connects W44, then one might expect my throughput to said world to have better connectivity (connectivity) than say those in areas which are further away at least in the net-centric version of distance.... 06:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Zomg I have since played a game in which there were over 1,100 people, the lag was amazing in HD, i had to go SD for those 9 games that were over 1,000 players each... 13:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I had mild lag spikes here and there, but nothing too horrible. 13:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, i have been having the same problem as you Nat.... Its packed there --86.16.174.173 17:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

question
Is it more like stealing creation? 00:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

No, its more like castle wars except you defeat the avatars and capture the obelisk. Nat12345919 00:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

game play is closer to cw, but the rewards seem closer to pest control. 03:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC) Selling Spade 15k!