RuneScape:Requests for deletion/Sailing

Sailing
Delete - Sailing is no different to all the other skill suggestions that players suggest, apart from that people faked photos about sailing so Jagex came out and confirmed that the photos were fake. If Sailing was allowed to exist, then that gives the go ahead for anyone to make an article on any possible skill they can think of. Crystal chanting?? Necromancy?? Dragon Riding?? Sheep Shearing?? There are many popular theories on the next skill in the Future updates forum which probably deserve a page before Sailing. They all have the same, if not more, evidence pointing towards them and they also have the advantage of not being confirmed false many times be Jagex. The RuneScape Wiki is not for speculation, yet speculation is all that Sailing is. 01:42, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - The point of the page was to remove the large trivia section from the Hiscores page. None of the information in it is speculation, it is all stuff that was talked about widely among players. 01:47, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Speculation is when players talks (speculates) about something which they think will be added to the game, but has not been confirmed by Jagex. 01:53, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Delete Merge - People are gullible and stupid. They'll believe anything. If we had an article for every rumour that was spread around, we'd have more rumour than fact here. 01:49, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed to Merge, that's what I originally meant but put delete for some reason  14:04, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - Absolutely and positively. While I will admit that we don't need an article about every rumor and concept in the game, this one is nearly legendary in terms of its persistence on the RSOF and nearly every other fan site as well. No, this doesn't compare to discussion about Necromancy or even a parody "Sheep Shearing" skill. While I admit that this wiki shouldn't be a crystal ball, this page certainly can and IMHO should include the very many quotes by Jagex staff and other official pronouncements about this concept. While it has never been confirmed by Jagex to be an upcoming skill, it has certainly been confirmed explicitly that the next skill to be released will not be sailing. That by itself is a fairly substantial statement. Of the tens of thousands of RSOF posts about this topic.... something should at least be listed on this wiki if for nothing else than an unusual phenomena related to the RSOF alone. The Riots articles have far less in terms of confirmation and statements of an official nature than this article. The article should stick with mostly those official pronouncements. --Robert Horning 03:39, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * To me, having it denyied by Jagex does not make it page worthy, it just might make it trivia worthy at most. There have been many rumours that have had to be denyed by Jagex due to their widespread knowledge such as the free items in soul wars and the godsword duplication glitch, both of which have been removed from the wiki since they did not exist. I realise that the second example don't show any evidence of the Jagex response, but I do remember then denying it. The inclusion of denyed rumours on the wiki is not a one off thing, they have been included before and they have always been removed without complaint. 06:11, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * *Denied . Evil yanks, perhaps you might want to consider the notability of this rumour, unlike the two you've just mentioned (which I've never heard of incidentally), Sailing has been brought up dozens of times and talked about several times by Jagex moderators. 06:25, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the spelling thing, I didn't realise. While I knew quiet a bit about both examples due to reading the forums at the time, they seemed noteable enough to be near common knowledge to me. I feel that the amount more that Sailing is asking for makes up for that. They were not worthy of being a paragraph on a much larger page since they were only denied by Jagex on the forums once. Just becuase sailing was denied once officially by Jagex in a Q&A and once unofficially in a conversation with a famous player, that makes Sailing worthy of having an entire page to itself?? 06:45, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * On top of the Q&A and the conversation with a famous player, there have been two forum posts by Jagex moderators according to the article. Seeing as the Wiki is an enyclopaedia for RuneScape, I see no reason to not document a reasonably notable rumour such as this. 06:51, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * One post doesn't deny Sailing (this one), it just says "Jagex are not willing to disclose any information at this moment". The second post (this one) is probably the most debated post in the Future Updates forum. Both the "sailing is real" and the "sailing is false" arguments quote either the first or second part of the post as evidence for or against sailing. I can understand where both come from, and didn't include it for this reason. 07:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Just to comment on it being mentioned in a Trivia rather than a page, it was before I moved it. Sailing was a redirect to Hiscores where it enveloped pretty much the whole Trivia section. It was more than worthy of its own article if there was that much information. Sailing is one of the most recognised topics in RuneScape. RS Wiki should cover everything that is notable, that is what Sailing is, IMHO and other users'. Even Jagex recognises Sailing as a common topic among player, one mod has even said he hasn't ruled it out completely as a future skill (not the new one coming though). Think about how many players will search "sailing runescape" in Google. Right now they find videos and old forum topics. Pretty much nothing on the RS Wiki (yet). Anyway, my 2 cents. 23:48, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I should point out that there have been far more than just two forum posts by Jagex moderators on this topic. It is more like a couple dozen, and an in-game clan chat by Mod MMG (the CEO of Jagex), along with a retraction of what he said in the clan chat (how many times has that ever happened?)  If a subject of a rumor has the attention of the CEO of Jagex and has received formal discussion about the issue... doesn't it at least deserve some sort of note on this wiki?  --Robert Horning 14:32, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Keep - per Robert and Caleb's arguments/points above. Cheers, 23:48, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Merge I think we should have an article called something like "Myths and urban legends", with a section for each appropriate entry, and have Sailing redirect to it. RuneScape does have its own set of unofficial player-generated rubbish, and keeping it all in one place may be a compromise that everyone can agree on. Rare black lobsters are another example. ;-) Compare with the Trivia article.  But I think this should be acknowledged and documented, and should not simply be deleted.   23:39, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - A good idea, although this myth/rumour is very well-known. Off the top of my head, I cannot think of any other myths or urban legends (although there would be). This just needs to be a exception of RS:CRYSTAL, and then the other ones should not have their own article, but mentioned on their respective page. Like if there is one about a Slayer Guild or something, mention it there. I believe if we had a Myths and urban legends article, it'd attract too much people adding things that aren't notable. It is hard to define what is notable and what isn't, in my opinion, Sailing is. Here is a discussion when the wiki last tried to define if something is notable enough. 00:13, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Per Leevclarke. A page to put all those semi-unconfirmed dispelled fakes would be nice. 23:58, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Merge - Per Leevclarke. Too prevent it from being constantly re-added to other articles and whatnot, the best known myths eventually end up having a portion of an article or their own article for being infamous. 00:02, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep in mind that it was merged into another article, and it ended up having so much information that is swamped and overwhelmed the other article. It really deserves to have its own full article for those contributors who want to extend and expand the actual commentary by Jagex on this topic.  There have even been some fairly recent discussions... by Jagex staff... about this subject as well, and that information deserves.  I'm suggesting this is a notable topic, because of its widespread discussion on multiple RSOF threads, threads on every other fansite that I have ever visited, and the numerous formal pronouncements by Jagex staff about this topic.  If this is the minimum standard for having a rumor to be considered for an article, we are setting a very difficult bar to cross for any other similar kind of rumor to qualify.  Not a single one of the other rumors possibly meet this kind of standard, with the possible exception of a Black partyhat that is also up for a VfD.  I believe it fits that sort of notability standard.  --Robert Horning 14:28, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Merge - It doesn't deserve an article of it's own, but it deserves a say in another one. 12:09, October 17, 2009 (UTC)