User talk:Battleben

Obligatory "First!" goes here
Who shall be the first to um, first? 19:38, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Me. 20:14, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * /switches my message and fwse's one around in editing/ -- 20:36, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Loarnab
That's silly. Having a pointless and redundant thing now because it might become useful in the future. It's not like we won't be able to add it next month...especially with template preloads. 20:14, April 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Doesn't that contradict the purpose of infoboxes? 08:14, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Cows
I know, but the monster page is in the old format and I can't be bothered to add those...too tired, I've worked too much today. ;-; 15:38, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox
Something I didn't notice until you left is that the infobox couldn't handle enriched as the base XP (like for Enriched brilliant spring). Since you left, I've made the increased XP hideable by putting. 21:18, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Question
You're in frequent contact with JMods, right? -- 18:32, May 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Because I have been killing to know whether Liara and Sergeant-at-Arms are confirmed to be the same people.
 * P.S: check your 5a forum thread -- 20:35, May 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Lol Scuzzy, are you sure its not just Jagex being lazy?
 * Jagex is always lazy. But still. -- 16:20, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Connection between Loarnab and Tolna's Soul RIft?
I think there is a strong - or much stronger than we anticipated - connection between the Soul Rift near Senntisten and Loarnab! In the new lore book, the Codex Ultimatus, the author who wrote it saw Loarnab express emotions of fearful, angry, confused, and hopelessness.

Excerpts from the Ultimatus:
 * "The beast bled profusely, I shall never be able to forget the sound it made, of so many heads crying out at once in anger and pain."
 * "Finally, its eyes glazed over with hopelessness, as the beast came to the realization of its fate, and its powerlessness to avert it. "
 * "Our new lord approached the beast and, as he did so, fear filled each one of its many eyes, and then confusion, as our lord began to twist the many heads back on themselves"

All these emotions are the same as the rooms in the Soul Rift, i.e., the anger room, the fear room, the hopelessness room, and the confused room. Annnd in the final part of the Soul Bane quest, Tolna, the kid, turned into a freaky 5 headed mutant. Loarnab is a hydra and hydras have multiple heads O_O'

Here is a quote from Tolna during the quest: "I managed to find the remnants of the ancient civilization that the stories talk about. It seems people used to worship a god here years ago in numbers far greater than a simple cult following. Sadly there is little remaining so I have nothing else to tell. As soon as I entered the area the ground swallowed me whole. I felt there was something watching, waiting. It’s like there is some evil power under the ground that wanted me to suffer. As if it got some sort of empowerment from it. At least whatever it is, it doesn’t want to reveal itself to the world yet…" - Tolna

Spineweilder said the last sentence in Tolna's quote contradicted what the Ultimatus said. Tolna said that Loarnab is still alive, but the Ultimatus said he was dead. However, the author of the Ultimatus might have interpreted as him being dead. His soul or whatever may still be around. Just like how Guthix's memories are in the forms of butterflies and chronicle fragments. Maybe Loarnab's memories became sentient and manifested through Tolna O_O

What are your thoughts? And don't call me a "lorenoob", like everyone else -.- -- 02:43, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

A$$dale JoT
So I've made a jack of trades route, and since you're the commisioner of all things Ashdale, i thought you might want to look at it before I decide whether or not to do something with it: User:Scuzzy_Beta/Sandbox -- 16:19, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah and heres soemthin for your ugly graphics: Lady Niya.png -- 13:19, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

The mighty fall
Im about to begin colour correction, can you do me a favour and snap a quick pic of a mithril bar dropped in the arena area place with lighting detail? -- 20:10, June 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Neither was ruining Burthorpe & Zanik, but hey. It happened. -- 15:56, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Mind getting the full reward image for this quest? --Jlun2 (talk) 21:19, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

You have like a million accounts, are you gonna play this quest again anytime soon? If so, grab a pic of an unarmed ogre chillin' in the camp. -- 19:31, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Here's something you might appriciate
https://24.media.tumblr.com/703d39467be32dc7721b561f14d66ec5/tumblr_n6md8mdwcO1rfpef7o1_1280.png -- 14:46, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Slugs
When was Sea Slug reworked? Exact date pls. 09:19, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Yelps
We are not a fucking creative writing class. Actually, we're quite the opposite. You lose points for putting stupid imagery and ridiculous narration on things such as:
 * a special wheel that rewards items out to those who spin it, by causing a giant boxing glove to punch him in the face. He allowed adventurers up to two spins on his wheel a day
 * various monsters had somehow got a hold of some tickets
 * At the same time, Yelps started selling spins in various packages, seemingly having turned his squeal into a profitable venture.
 * News of his success had even reached the gnomes of the Tree Gnome Stronghold
 * Yelps was saddened by this, and expressed horror of the replacement's lack of any spinning wheels.

Yelps does not have to be the subject of every sentence: Why is this necessarily chronological? If you cared about a good article, that would be just a sentence or two saying "spins can be obtained by..."
 * A few months after the Squeal was established, Yelps started rewarding adventurers two extra spins for every time they complete a quest.
 * Later that year, in a massive update to his Squeal, Yelps started rewarding adventurers for skilling by giving them free spin tickets for use on his Squeal
 * ''Yelps also started rewarding those who aided the Imperial Guard of Burthorpe, giving adventurers a free spin to those that helped the Imperial Guard stock their supplies by completing various challenges for Captain Haskell

Then there's shit like this that, with you and your penchant for making this article a colorfully written biography, I can't tell is real or not. I'm not going to allow it to go back without a solid source:
 * At some point during Dimwit's childhood, an accident occurred that resulted in him hitting his head, causing him to fall down some stairs and bite his tongue, causing him to scream in pain loudly, which earnt him the name Yelps. Tired of his screaming, the leaders of the village tied Yelps to a spinning wheel and played games with him, and from then on Yelps became the butt of many jokes around the village. This is also presumably the root of his obsession with spinning wheels.
 * At some point, he came into the possession of a large horde of treasure that formerly belonged to the princess known as Alice, and took it for himself.

That quote from Tapio, legitimate as it may be, is completely pointless. It weaseled its way in there with no proper foundation. Okay, someone called him stupid. Who cares? Why is it significant? You failed to establish a reason for that quote to be there.

Don't put this shit back in there. Seriously. This already started an edit war, and I'm not sure how the fuck your fanfiction was the chosen revision. Cite your facts, fix your writing. 09:58, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not suddenly an issue. It was always a problem; it just went unnoticed. And no. Not just more sources. You need to clean up your writing and not add colorful and frivolous language. We're not a creative writing class, the article should be read like one. Stick to the cold hard facts. 10:06, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Underground pass
Does "leave a note on my talk page if you want a different angle etc" mean nothing?.... and to think i spent an hour trying to get HTML5 to work -- 18:59, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * http://i.imgur.com/A5WZkDS.png *gently puts on your face* -- 19:15, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Ability clickpic
I'm not sure who else is adding them, but since you added most of them, I ll tell you I've changed the implementation of Ability clickpic. Elements are now separated by pipes (|) instead of commas. I can also very easily extend the template to any number of parameters should it be needed :ɔ 03:46, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re:History subpages
Hm, yeah, Hazel was shortish. Drakan was 70 kB though and this could fry an older computer. But do whatever you want (Bandos and Zaros too). 12:18, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * [[File:Fairynuffdetail.png]] 12:35, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * The smurfs with the vials are from Arandar - the ones with staves are from Ardougne. :P 20:10, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh. So the Arandar ones throw vials in your face without holding them? Jerks. Btw, don't you think the infoboxes for the level 114, 120 and 122 ones (or the three versions with staves anyway) can be merged? They aren't really that different. Should be separate from the weaker vial ones and the piked HQ ones ofc. 20:13, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * When was Brumty fixed? O_o Whyyy did you have to update Ilfeen and Eluned. ;-; They've floating tiaras and orangutan arms. ;-; 20:16, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Curses - you knew I'd never argue with you on your birthday. You sneaky li'l man! But yeah, Oronwen looks fine. Except for her hair...very...odd... And the button thingy on her shirt. I shall name it Flopsy and it shall be mine and it shall be my Flopsy. Btw, did you get Oronwen's chathead? If not, don't bother, I will. Also...Haluned. :P 20:21, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

RE:FIght images
Unfortunately I don't know how to turn those off. :c


 * Thanks so much! I'll remember to do that! :D

Phone Boothe
I know for a fact he left for at least a week, because I remember going around Taverthorpe after the "cleanup" and crying while i did so -- 17:52, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * i trust your judgement. -- 18:11, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Combat Scuzzy Beta chatheads
Youknow how you were uploading leik a million full chatheads because of the combat beta's larger chatbox? Could you do the same for Greldo? Poor guy lost his chin. -- 22:02, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

HTML5
Just a friendly reminder that I've made a thing! Tag it on HTML5 images in the future! :3 -- 22:46, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I use HTML5 for shaders/water. Also i was in the area. But mainly because I have this thing where i have to optimize all images with water. -- 16:26, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * You can use FXAA Highest Quality AA in HTML5. -- 04:28, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay. Don't view this as me trying to use HTML5 for everything, because thats[sic] not the case, but I will be more cautious now. -- 17:02, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Oh and happy late birthday. ^^' -- 17:03, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead and retake the Pest Control image, I can't find a good angle, and I've been overusing HTML5 recently ^^' -- 15:52, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

They went up a hill
You have access to Jeff (child), Jill and Jack (2006 Chistmas), right? If so, can you capture their chatheads for me? I'm doing PTS and i came across those non aa'd non existant chatheads, forbidding me from doing chatl. -- 16:33, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanksies!!!<3 -- 21:18, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

KinshrAAAH!
Could you please take a look at Template:Black Knights? I'm not sure about listing Melville and Morgan and stuff. 09:25, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Bats
i orbed spirit bats, going to trans em -- 15:04, July 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay ;-; -- 15:08, July 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * While you're orbing dwarves, can you grab Smokin Joe? Ill trans. -- 16:24, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

IM ORBINg Mobilising Armies dwarves jsyk<333 -- 14:23, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

GIMP settings
Hi I noticed your detailed images and saw that the way you are saving them makes the file size much larger than it needs to be. Mol has a guide that shows a better way to save images in GIMP so that the parts that are transparent aren't actually saved in the image, which is a really simple fix. See it here: User:The_Mol_Man/GIMP. All this means is that your images have been storing the background, even though you added transparency over it. 19:54, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Cat chatheads
Thank you, I didn't realise they were bugged, I thought that Jagex made the chatheads have weird eyes on purpose. 16:16, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Araxyte lair
*poeks* I do not see any mentions of this name anywhere o_O. The only thing I found was this:

"Once you're there, enter the Araxyte Hive and you'll find a webbed-over entrance to the boss-fight area."

>:o. 20:43, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Orly. 20:44, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Lol Jagex can't decide on names anymore. 20:53, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Read this
It's not hard. You only need to do it once. It speeds up the wiki. Yet you still refuse to do it. Do it. There's the link 491 times. You have no excuse not to read it. 23:10, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh and uh... Read what I'm about to say too. Can you please blank out the player dialouge box before you upload screenshots from quests? This goes for anyone, but it's especially confusing when your player character is named after... a non player character. -- 11:07, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Crux Eqal
But...Fist of Guthix. 18:42, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

PS. it can't be a lorefail since both things must have been written with the other in mind, since the postbag where Fiara mentioned Crux Eqal was literally released a day after WGS. 18:44, August 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Do we know that? Maybe his knights found/were sent to the site after Zamorak found the stone and carved them in while Saradomin confronted his enemy personally. 18:47, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Category:NPC chat head images
pls 20:09, August 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, the fact that I was able to do this means you went back on your promise to optimize your images. 20:10, August 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * It did for strange plant. Be sure to always be exporting, never saving. Also, categories pls. 20:14, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Mazchna?
Hello, hope you're doing fine...

I have a question, I saw you added Mazchna and others to the Bryzoth Avernics, I was wondering where you got that information from. I Checked their own sites, but I didn't see a reference. I think it's important to at least mention them being Bryzoth or what ever on their own pages, otherwise this template seems really out of the blue on their pages. It also makes it a lot easier to verify. Do you agree?
 * I expected something like that :) But do you agree with what I typed above? -- 12:44, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Moving
Make sure you fix double redirects when you move pages. Thanks, 16:13, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Dwarves
Nice images. Please update GU/NPCs/Dwarves and /Chatheads/Dwarves. :3 I'd appreciate it. Thanks! 12:02, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Araxyte pet
I don't feel like hopping into S:C, but if your litterbox is how you plan to perform the split, I rescind any objections I made earlier. 18:38, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Please retake quest related images
That are in this category Category:Legacy -- 16:22, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

WTL/Catapult Construction
Im retaking images from those quests. -- 16:54, August 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * I hope you're planning on retaking Fswe's legacy images from PE.-- 18:34, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Dont worry on bonding yourself for A Soul's Bane. I got it. -- 16:34, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

Noob
Model for the following pls


 * Plague jacket
 * Plague trousers
 * Cattleprod

-- 20:20, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

gods
No he doesn't listen to it with full attention, not just casually. and also take a look at the tiers before hand, we already have something called demigods. -- 16:16, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * You could've told me that I was incorrect and why before you reverted.. remember that 3rr?? "In the case of lore-related articles, do not in substance revert a previous revert to the article. Content disputes can and should be taken to the article's talk page (and involved parties should be notified), and no further related edits should take place to the relevant sections until the conflict is resolved." Now, please give me the timestamp then. 16:27, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Ah... finally... But next time, please try to give some sort of source. I especially hate begging for one. So just because he said "I think/question" means "I'm alone in this" or something like that?

About your previous message:


 * False: I did listen to it, he refers to it as the borders of godhood, that contains demigods, aspects of gods, etc. And that they are not what he would consider gods themselves.
 * Actual: At around 28:30 of the podcast Osborne says, literally, the following: "I think one of the problems with the tiers of godhood is that tier 7 isn't actually godhood." Mod Matthe's response: "Yeah." So it's not just Osborne, there IS agreement, there was before (ony not that literal), see Mod Edam: http://www.webcitation.org/6IRRdHCLX
 * Asinine remark: Netherless, they are on the tiers of godhood, and ingame information explicitly refers to them as gods.
 * Because: Virtually always they preface these tiers as being behind the scenes info, ingame sources claim lots of stuff that's not actual fact. they say this over and over. Just look at Sara vs Zammy during MPD when they talk about Dawn in DOC. Lucien also claimed godhood ingame
 * Strawman: They are not in any way False Gods.
 * '''Why? I never said that.
 * Totally flawed logic + inconsistent treatment: Even if Osborne did definitely say that they are not gods (which he didn't), off-hand statements made by Osborne are not a reliable source of information, he has got numerous things wrong in the past (like Chaeldar being a Guardian of Guthix).
 * Why? Just because he has wrong before doesn't mean he's wrong now. Especially not because he's been consistent on this point, because it hasn't been refuted by other mods, and because other mods eve agree with him on this. See above. On top of that other Jmods have also made mistakes, and that doesn't seem to carry the same weight. Meanwhile you also have not stated what IS a valid Jmod statement for you. Which either means you think all Jmod statements are just opinions, in this case, why aren't you removing other things backed up only by Jmod statements (like "Juddy=tier 3"). Or it means that Osborne your point of focus (which isn't justified if you ask me).
 * You're repeating yourself again: All information in-game says that they are gods, and not having them on the god template, labelling them "false gods" and listing them amongst entities that aren't even composed of divine energy is just silly.
 * Just saying it several times doesn't make it true "Goebbels"..  I'm not going to repeat myself. 19:06, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * So you're not going to respond to the points I made? e.g. mod osborne is not alone in this..AGAIN MOD EDAM. 09:04, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Either you want it so literal it's nigh impossible to please you, or you're just missing what I've typed, or you're ignoring what I typed because it doesn't suit you - those are the options I can think of now. Because you ask for this: "Unless you find a source where Osborne says "they are not gods", then they should go back onto the page. ", I gave you this "tier 7 isn't actually godhood" and you still don't accept my point. I would also still like to have an answer to my questions. E.g. if you think that "the opinion of one mod (even if it isn't Mod Osborne) is not a canonical fact" why would you ever accept non-ingame info (except for massive outgame Jagex coordinated things like official interviews or RuneFests), e.g from FAQs or Q&As, and why not remove those other cases too?
 * FYI, in the light of comprehensive reading, when Osborne says "I think one of the problems with the tiers of godhood is that tier 7 isn't actually godhood."
 * What he is not saying: "I'm of the opinion that tier 7 isn't actually godhood." - Silly statement if that's what he would've meant, since a matter of fact isn't subject to opinion. They have decided on this matter.
 * What he is indeed saying: "I'm of the opinion that we have not communicated to the players, what the tiers of godhood actually are. This is one of the problems with it. We should've been more clear that beings on tier 7 aren't gods." - This makes sense. They have decided on what godhood is. There is a history in the game where things are called gods, and it seems they are 'back-paddling'/retconning so it will fit their narrative better. While they don't want to do away with the concept completely, they called it 'honourary mention' and things of a similar nature - again, a clear suggestion that it isn't actual godhood. To make it even more clear other beings are also given the same tier, being we would not normally call 'gods' - another hint of their intent for that tier. Other things like 'the power level of' Hostilius being comparable with that of a tier 5 god shows that it's the source of power that makes things viable for these tiers or not. Which is further suggested by the Dragonkin and Mahjarrat "pushing on tier 7".
 * I also don't get your dismissive attitude about Mod Edam... the Holy Grail is quite an old quest, but still we regard it as true lore... Mod Edam's points haven't been disputed by Jmods insofar as I know, I've asked you for sources that do do this, but, again, you seem to only argued that Mod Osborne is only capable of faulty opinions (yes this is an annoyed exaggeration). 00:36, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * And you're telling me I'm waving away things that don't suit my vision?? You yourself said that was from a long time ago. When I give you more recent clarification you also disregard that. There's no way of pleasing you. And even if we stick to that time frame, you disregard Mod Edam's comments, they were also clear. -- 14:59, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you honestly think Mod Edam was just expressing a ... 'wish' instead of the position of Jagex on the matter? 14:45, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * ? We have no way of knowing? Osborne agreed with him at the time, he still agrees, as does Matthee. I think that's pretty much quite more than "no way". 15:02, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's exactly why you should read my replies and not skim them. Osborne's opinion was about what was wrong (wrong being: it has not been clearly communicated) with the Tier system, that beings on T7 are not actual gods (this is a fact, not an opinion). 20:38, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I take it you will finally agree?? https://twitter.com/JagexOsborne/status/511206926831865857 18:37, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

B0TTER
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/File:Safeslashbash.png WAT -- 20:04, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hehe, calm down Battlebot. It's just a bit of harmless fun x3 -- 16:35, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Could you come to my PoH sometime so I could get a better Eii of family gauntlets?-- 04:40, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * ^ ding dong -- 18:28, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Good Day
Greatly appreciated for post-haste corrective action and dutiful elucidation. Utilized existing information on various pages relating to topic at hand to piece out the information, regrettable it was erroneous. Sincerest apologies and have a splendiferous day.

Re:Ship captains
Oi, thanks for the warning! What to do with the images? 17:40, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, Repton and Malasomething are both "exuberant" and have the same dialogue about a sea siren mate with more tentacles than I have. Anyway, what's your opinion on the Glouphrie plot thread in RLD? 18:16, September 13, 2014 (UTC)