RuneScape:Requests for deletion/SwiftKit/Archive1

SwiftKit
There are a few reasons that this page should be deleted. 1. It is from a third party, not a official Jagex site. It may contain things like keystroke loggers and password stealers.

2. Even though we are "All things about runescape", we do not have pages on all the other websites that are out there. ‎  Atlandy 18:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete -  Should we have a page about Firefox or Internet Explorer? Dtm142 18:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep - Obviously, the answer to that is no. However, that is somewhat irrelevant, as this isnt a generic web browser, it is a fan-made program, made for playing runescape, and is thus part of the player community. I can't see why someone would agree to delete it as there has been nothing but speculation as far as it containing malware, and that it does have a notable position in the Rule 7 Debates and such. I agree with Robert Horning, Just because JagEx didn't make it doesn't substantiate grounds for deletion. 1diehard1 22:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment - If this one is deleted then what about all the other articles about external websites? 18:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Which other articles about external websites are you referring to? Dtm142 19:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep - but with some reservations. Suggesting this software has keystroke loggers and password stealers is something that ought to be sourced and substantiated before being accused of that kind of behavior. In fact, that is libelous to even suggest such without anything more than suspecting anything not written by Jagex as malware. BTW, Jagex does have some guidelines for 3rd party apps that are even "valid" for use with Runescape... and don't even get me started on what is legal or illegal to use with the RS client. This website is also about Runescape, and the fact that it isn't something done by Jagex by itself shouldn't be automatic grounds for its removal. We are not Jagex, and frankly I think some additional information about the greater player community on this wiki would be useful. As for external websites.... this isn't the forum to debate them, but I don't see why valid articles about RuneHQ, Tip.it, or other common and popular websites couldn't be written about. Again, we are not Jagex, and this wiki is about all things Runescape. --Robert Horning 19:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment While I understand that there is no proof of keyloggers and such, the fact that the article contains not only information on what the product is, but where to download may not be our place here on the wiki. I stated that it may have keyloggers, we do not know, nor will we ever know.  Pages on other website is opening a huge door that we probably do not want to go down.  The argument on what website should stay or go would be endless.  I also understand that We are not Jagex, but we also have to decide what belongs and is worth of an article and what isn't.  ‎[[Image:Cooked_chicken.PNG‎]]Atlandy 20:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Please take this in the spirit of the debate and not a direct attack on you here. To give a similar analogy, I could say that you may be a pedophile, serial murderer, and extort hundreds of euros from players on the game that go to your secret Swiss bank account.  That is precisely the kind of assertion you are making here about this software when you have absolutely no proof of this fact, and this is in fact libel, something that by itself is in fact illegal to do.  That is, making such statements puts you in technically very dangerous waters legally speaking, so be careful about what more you say on this matter unless you have actual proof.  Please, you are making trumped up charges here when it isn't necessary to make the decision about if this article about this software needs to remain on this wiki, and even making such assertions charges the atmosphere of this discussion in the first place.


 * Stick to the facts and don't blow things out of proportion here. This is software that is not written by Jagex but it does help assist players in a number of ways.  It technically doesn't violate the terms of service that most players agreed to when you created your accounts, and furthermore there certainly is software which is "legal" to use that perhaps might violate those terms as well.  This isn't malware, although suggesting that users beware of 3rd party software certainly is something valid to point out.  Don't cross the line and assert more than you know.


 * If on the other hand you have run a virus check on this software and suspect it to be a keylogger, that is something completely different. But be prepared to back up your claims if you think this to be true.  Asserting this may be a keylogger or something worse really destroys your credibility in arguing for the removal of this article when no such assertion can be made.  --Robert Horning 04:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep - I definitely think SwiftKit has been a part of RuneScape's history (Unallowed, then allowed, etc.) Plus, this page is what showed my cousin the interface and made her want to use the program. Things like this show these things to the public for what they really are. Anything like this should NOT BE DELETED. Please? Ack612 00:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete - It's a 3rd Party Software Program...this is essential for our wikia because...???