Talk:Draconic visage

Drop chances.
It is possible to get a clue scroll and a visage in same drop. I just got one about 45 minutes ago. Been working on the clue. Although it was crap.....

And I thought I read somewhere that you can get 2 visages in one drop? Since its a bonus drop it is possible, least thats what I've always heard.

13:42, October 19, 2009 (UTC) wtf

The best way to get one is not to try. You can kill 1m and not get one or kill 100 and get one its random just kill them for slayer or dragon bones dont think you will get one within 5k-10k kills unless your very lucky. You could get one first kill but the chance of geting one will all ways be 1/10000 even if you have killed 100k all ready.

Hey im just saying i hav recorded my kills i have gotten 6 visages in the past 7 years(Visage has not been around for 7 years rofl.) my first visage i got in 3417 kills my second was at 9872 kills my third 10481 fourth 11981 fifth 16831 and my sixth was at 29341 as u can tell i do camp at iron/steel drags a lot with a cannon and 4 out of my 6 visage drops have been from steel dragons

Drop rate
The drop rate is claimed to be 1/52 - it would be great to have a source on this. Micromal 15:58, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Yep, it's true. I get a visage every two trips there. I make almost 300m a day from them. Nobody else knows about it though, so that's why their prices are at 30m a piece... Go back to lumby newb.

The best source for visage drop rates I know of is at http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?17,18,367,58709495. If you don't feel like reading it, the drop rate is probably somewhere between 1 in 5k and 1 in 10k, but with only 16 logged drops, there's a lot of room for error there. To3cutt3r 15:36, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

You make like 300m a day from visages? Nice lie its likes 1 in 10000 chances of getting one. Nobody's that lucky so stfu.
 * He was being sarcastic... ASATO MA SAD GAMAYA 15:58, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I know this isnt much use, but I just got a dvis <3 after killing maybe 200 irons?

What monster are you killing? i got visage drop solo kbd world 2 i took it to the buy in edge ville and payed 1.6m for a dfs sold dfs bought d claws bandos tassy.

I spent three days killing iron dragons and no visage drops. I didn't even get a dragon platelegs or plateskirt drop. No clue scroll either because I had one in my bank... Just a bunch of rune limbs and javelins. And this was at range 82 so it's not like the kills came that slowly. <-- Kj1611 RS screen name.

Where are you guys talking about??? 1/1500 at steel dragons

visage
just ware a ring of wealth

it increaces the chance to get any and all rare drops on any one thing so its better to increace your chances then to just kill more and the are very cheep like 10k or so i think they may be like 5k but i can kill green drags and get from +50k the usual or +0k the usual so it is random...

ring of wealths increase the chances of getting coins in drops, not rare items.

u cant get dvis's from black dragons so thts a waste of time

You, sir are an idiot. Black dragons drop visages. Next time look at the beastiary at tip.it before you make yourself look like an moron on the internet.

Basically the way it works is, if you go get a lottery ticket say the chance of you winning 1/10000 the next time you get a lottery ticket the chance of you winning is still 1/10000, what im saying is that it is not a set amount of kills before you get a visage it is random. Every kill has an equal chance of having a visage as a drop it does not increase over time. Ring of wealth has no effect on visage as it bonus drop. So therefore No drop rate just random chance of getting drop. It is done the same as getting 3rd age armour from level 3 clue, doesn't matter how many you do you still have a 1/1000 chance of getting the Armour each time. Hope this clears up some confusion. (and no i haven't had a visage before = --- Confirmed by S E I Bs' drop rate guide, the porbability of getting a visage from a black dragon is 1/8500.

04:23, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * There was a postbag comment on how rings work, basically it said that it improved the result once you are on some kind of "rare" table already. It's on this wiki somewhere. Rich Farmbrough, 06:00 23 December 2009 (GMT).

I got a visage after killing 600 iron/steel dragons from an iron dragon. Since then I have killed over 2000 and haven't found one again.

Its all just really luck... =[ killed aorund 10k steels and 5k blacks and maybe 2k irons and no visage...just like how i got 2 dragon legs in 1 trip but thats not too special.

visage ='[ with a tear in my eye
i have killed over 12 thousand iron dragons and used over 6 mills worth of pots, this is rediculous. has anybody got any tips for me? i.e. a different dragon or my own personal jesus? if u can help me out a lot more than just this chat add me on RS im (zhao yun 260) without brackets lol =] Idiot.

only iron and steel dragons drop vissage so smd

lmao your the idiot all accept green and blue and red and bronze and brutal green drags drop it..
 * Be nice. 17:09, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

blue and red dont drop it dude...

Black dragons can.

I killed 17000 steel dragons and 4000 iron dragons, never had draconic visage drop

my loots
i got d legs then d skirt then d med in 100 days i thkn it is all random
 * i thkn it r randm 2. -- 01:55, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

the way for a visage.. like i got mine... is to be this faking faking up off trying to get one and think thats my last run .... then i got mine in the next kill rofl


 * I have no idea what you just said... Quest_Cape_HQ.png Suppa chuppa Questicon.PNG 21:05, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I typically get 1 d skirt or pants per week. Those seem pretty common among the rare drops.

Visage Drop/Ring of Wealth
reading over the board i noticed that at least two ppl were mistaken about about the effect of the ring of wealth, it does effect rare drops not just coins but it does not effect"extra drops" an "extra drop" is something that is separate from the monsters actual drop such as charms. just wanted to point that out guys ya ive been at iron/steelies for a a lil over a week now and still no vissage altho i did get a few skirts this does not seem worth the effort. i can be there for more than 2 hours per trip sometimes killing as many as 45 dragons using as many as 500 bolts and most of the time after re-buying bolts and pots im only gaining a profit of 50k as anyone knows dragon bones being what they are now you can easly make 100k every 15 mins or so at green dragons. so maybe i should just stick with that but just the thrill of knowing that i have a chance of getting a vissage keeps me here waisting time lol well anyway 1/52 seems hardly believable even as an average... most ppl i know have killd 1000+ b4 there first and no one i know has gotten it b4 killing atleast 500

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peace Please dont put '1/52' in peoples heads. Its harder to get a bronze full helm than that! The real ratio is 1/8500 for black dragons, so its nearly impossible, but keep trying and you may get a visage.

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don't waste your time
seriously, why spend like 3 months hoping to get a visage when you can just earn the money and buy one, 35m isn't alot. i got my dfs from running double nats for a week. (you don't need 91 rc just request assist in w36)

dont waste ur time
but y do that when u can get a skill up which can help u later on?

IMPORTANT TIP: DROP RATE IMPROVES LOADS IF YOU SPEAK TO THE GUY NORTH OF EDGE BANK WHO IS PART OF DRAGON SLAYER QUEST
 * Good luck proving that. 12:03, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but runescape specifically said that there is no way of improving the drop rate for them "including" talking to Oziach (guy from dragon slayer) the chance is as random as getting a clue scroll. sorry man but you were misinformed, or just have some issues with telling the truth

NO YOU CANNOT GET 2 VISAGES IN 1 DROP
Simply because Visage, is a bonus drop, therefore it is 1 item that is added to a main drop. So you can get like Dragon platelegs + Visage in same drop, but you cannot get 2 bonus drops if u know what i mean.

for all you people who say it is'nt possible to get Draconic visage from black dragons read this:

The Draconic visage is a very rare drop from black, iron, steel, and mithril dragons, as well as Skeletal Wyverns, and the King Black Dragon.

or who say that you can get a better chance by using a ring of wealth well:

The Draconic visage is a "bonus" drop. This means that it is included in a dragon's main drop, and it is never the main drop itself, meaning it can be dropped as well as another item, such as the Dragon platelegs. As such, it has been confirmed by Jagex, that the visage is NOT affected by the Ring of wealth. It is unknown whether the drop rates are different for each monster.

Visage
As everyone has said before Visage is completely random. I jsut started ranging black dragon an hour ago and I got a viage on my 18th kill on a black dragon. Never killed them a day in my life then Bam. Visage. my friend has a video of 2 visage drops in 11 kills. Yet some people will kill 100,000 and never get one. It's all odds... 1/100,000 or 1/10,000 doesn't matter. Even if you kill that ammount you are still not guarenteed a drop. You kill one and your odds are right back at square one again as if you had killed none.

Ritsu

Y A N K M E Responds

True but not true, Yes your odds are the same each kill, but killing none means 0/1 chance of getting lol. So the more you do kill the more likely you are to earning one, but yes the odds are stacked against you, but when you do not there is no chance. Best bet is to simply go to steels or irons for decent charm drops, easy afk'ing and getting your prayer up while doing so, plus you always come back with more money if you range, I think i get a dragon drop at least 1/5 trips, so on top of rune drops, charms, dragon bones, you have a more normal chance of dragon drops, and a rare bonus drop of visage.

FACTS RELEASED BY JAGEX:

ring of wealth does not affect bonus drop, only the rare drop of a monster. (visage is a bonus drop, as stated by jagex)

pretty much do what you want, and have fun..if you try to hard you will be upset, coming from someone who killed 4k steels (i didn't count irons) but i went from 43 pray to 60 pray down there! lol

The part that bothered me most was that my friend whom i showed the way down to the dragons got a visage in 3 kills..after killing so many, that was upsetting, but is the odds.

Y A N K M E on rs

Its funny, but i guess that the more you kill the more likely you will get a visage, because the porbability stays the same but the fact that you kill the dragons makes the difference.

Ring of Wealth: Works on Visages?
Guys, jagex has confirmed that wearing a Ring of Wealth will NOT increase your chances of getting a visage.
 * Could we have a screenshot? He has knocked four times. 22:54, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Heres my theory on visages: if you want to, go ahead and try :) sure the odds are against you but hey.. even if you dont get one just bank your bones and youll still make profit, and range exp, (or melee if you meleeing.. i suggest range tho) if your lucky, then bam, visage, if not, then you get exp. either way its win/sorta win.

i got my visage after 2 years of not playing RS =P got on RS asked a friend for the quickest way to make some money and he pointed me to black drag =) so my first 15 kills i got one =)

Factual correction
The ring of wealth betters all drops and more of them. There is people who has tried for months to even get one. There is people that got one on there first kill. Get a ring of life and have a iron, steel, mith, or black dragon slayer task, it helps. The drop rate is around 1/1000 kills. It doesnt mean you could get it in 1000 kills though. It is very close to the drop rate of a d chain. It is completly random. It is said that the chance of getting a visage is the same as the chance of the evil god Zamorak giving up his evil ways. Lose hope, dont lose hope. After this I hope it is clear to you. You cant go in there and expect one.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Drop rate
I am wondering whether we should use this thread as a reliable source so that we could have an estimate of what the drop rate of the visage would be. I couldn't find any other drop log threads with a very large (20,000+) drop sample, so it is rather hard to confirm these figures. I do think however that it is a reasonably reliable thread, where you would have to manually show them your visage drop before they add it. It also has the advantage of having hundreds of thousands of recorded drops.

I think that we should use it. What does anybody else think?? 09:27, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sicne nobody has commented in nearly a week, I will take that as a vote of silence. I might add the links if nobody else comments in the next 24 hours. 04:24, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Self knowledge on visage drops
All visage drops are simply a matter of chance and luck, there isn't a fixed drop rate and it is never guaranteed that a certain number of drops will get you a visage (maybe if you killed 1,000,000,000,000,000 mithril dragons might insure you getting it). I've played for years and self searched for the visage as a drop, killed every known dragon type Runescape has confirmed to drop it. Black dragons, Iron dragons, Steel Dragons, King Black Dragons, and Mithril Dragons. I've killed thousands of Black Dragons and several hundred Mithril Dragons. I still have not attained a single visage drop. All I can suggest is go for the Mithril Dragon and at least in your attempts, you may earn yourself a Dragon Full Helm. Along with other high value drops that could may as well total up to the amount you need to buy your own Dragonfire Shield.

Again, it is all luck and nothing more. Nothing increases the chance, nothing decreases it (outside of fighting ones that don't drop it like Green Dragons, durp). Good luck to anyone out there searching for it. Still searching for mine.

do u guys go to math? every runescape drop is "random" (except for bones and 100% stuff like that). every item must have a ratio that jagex has plugged in. if the ratio for a visage is 1/10000 then that mean if u kill 10000 you sshould get a visage somewere in those kills. if you kill 9999 and say well the odds are ill get a drop next kill.... your wrong. when you look at it as a single kill it will always be 1/10000, but if you look at it as a whole then it will be you will be sure to get one before you reach 10000. btw kbd is way to go if u want visage...just sayin

That's a common misunderstanding. If an item has a 1/10,000 Drop Rate, it doesn't mean you'll get it in 10,000 kills; it means that every kill, you have a 1/10,000 chance of getting it.

well maybe it would be more senceful to say 0,01% this means if u got this chance on a visage at every kill if u see it as an individuum

but f u ever heard something about stochastic u must know this :

if u look at the chances in the whole system ur first drag has two choices too drop: 0.01% drop it and 99.99 to not drop it.

now if u kill the second one the chance not to get it 2 times in a row is 99.99 x 99.99 which would make a chance of like 99.985 not to get it 2 times in a row.

so the propability of not getting a visage 1000 times in a row is 90% which makes the chance to get one 10 %....


 * What you say is true. But please, please: spelling? Quest_Cape_HQ.png Suppa chuppa Questicon.PNG 21:04, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Drop Rate for each Drag/Wyvern
So if I understand this correctly, since the drop rate on a visage is completely random like you guys say it is, everyone has the same chance of getting a drop on their first Bronze Dragon as their first Mith Dragon. Doesn't seem like that should be the case.75.30.194.117 21:52, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, what completely random means that each kill on a certain type of dragon has the exact same probability of resulting in a visage drop regardless. The ring of wealth, among other things does not affect the drop rate. Completely random merely means that it's uninfluenced by any factor other than the pure chance of the "drop wheel" landing on the visage. However, I do think that the chance of the drop differs among the dragon types, though I am not certain. --Suppa chuppa 01:53, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

I bet when it comes out *cough2013cough* the Dragon dragon will drop the visage ;) Coelacanth0794 01:55, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Lol. There isn't even an Adamant dragon yet. So have fun waiting for a Dragon one. --Suppa chuppa 01:57, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

NP, hope you do too :) Coelacanth0794 20:37, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oziach Cant Hurt?
i killed about 400 iron dragons then i had to go restock. i happend to have a glory charged on so i went to edgeville. while there i talked to oziach because i heard about the drop rate. i talked to him and the next morning after i logged on, 4th kill i got a visage. everyone says not to talk to the fat bald guy that sels rune platebodies but it doesnt hurt.

Is it worth the time?
hi guys i was wondering if it is worth my time and money too kill these dragons i need too know if i should. please comment.yo