Talk:The Bird and the Beast

Rewards
So... what will Jagex have learnt from the first world event, regarding the rewards? The options I see reasonable: And for some reason I doubt they'll mention this anywhere (explicitly)... I'll append options if I think of any more, but for some reason I fear it'll be either the first or the second option. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:24, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nothing: two versions of all rewards (armour, emotes, titles), which can all be received/bought if you are mad enough.
 * Perhaps they'll add an option to buy both sets of rewards [at another price, or not], without actually having to change sides.
 * While not made impossible, 'balancing' the cost & rate at which points are earned/capped such that it is practically impossible to get both sets of rewards.
 * The rewards are those of the God you are currently aligned with (aka, switch sides and the unlocked emote/title/armour automatically changes; similar to changing gender and the frog prince(ss) outfits).
 * The rewards can be swapped at will (like the (un)hallowed robes; would only work for armour, though, so perhaps both title/emote variants are unlocked when buying them).
 * Or you receive both variants of the armour when buying it as well; though this seems unlikely.
 * Result? They have not learnt anything... https://twitter.com/moltare/status/409054563996807168 . Same as last time, switching is possible (with the same penalty), further implying you have to switch to buy everything. And apparently they balanced the event with players spending 1-2 hours a day on the event on average (https://twitter.com/moltare/status/409055918949928960). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:37, December 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Whoever wrote this doesn't understand the point of the World Event. It's a WAR between two OPPOSSING sides. You get rewards for fighting for the side YOU PERSONALLY SUPPORT, you're not supposed to get both sets of rewards, you're supposed to choose the side you support in the War.KadotheChameleos (talk) 10:08, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe consider that not everyone is like you. For some of us, an impuls to be a completionist is stronger than the impuls to join the lore and choose a side (especially so considering a single person's influence is negligible compared to the direction of the community as a whole). And the problem with the rewards is that all of them are always listed. The whole issue wouldn't exist if both versions of the emote/title/armour wouldn't get two separate spaces/entries in the emotes/title list or POH armour case (e.g. (un)hallowed robes are an example of a good solution, even if World event rewards wouldn't be morphable at will). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:22, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can agree with that idea, at least. It makes sense for your items to change if you switch sides, but remember that ultimately, completionism may not be possible with the God Wars and choosing sides. Completionism isn't meant to be the point of the new game, and yes it's disappointing, but I've seen people getting very angry at Jagex about this, and it seems rather ridiculous when completionism isn't even the point of the game right now. At the moment, it's all about the war, and each side will likely carry unique rewards that you can't get if you choose another side. That's how it's supposed to be, and some people are getting very aggressive about this. KadotheChameleos (talk) 10:26, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * To be honest, your first response has been more aggressive than me making a point of this... There is a slight difference, though: either completionism is not intended (as you could argue in this case), or it simply is not possible. In the latter case, people like me will have to deal with it (and during BoL that would have been a dilemma as I consider the Zamorak Warpriest armour to look better than the Saradomin variant, but much prefer the Saradomin emotes); in the former case (as is the case now), if there is a way, people who are passionate enough will go for it. From World event 1 to World event 2, Jagex has not chosen either side (make getting everything impossible VS make getting everything a normal option, without destroying the lore aspect); this is my current annoyance. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:48, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, my aggression in my first post was rather unnecessary, but to be honest given how many people I've seen complaining about this, I didn't expect you to be so civil about it. Whenever I see people who care more about completionism than lore, I usually expect them to act in the way that most of them do, like starving wolverines who are being unrelentingly teased by a man with a cut of beef and a fishing rod. I apologise for expecting worse of you, and I completely see your point, I just think Jagex's decision makes sense in this regard and shouldn't really be held against them as harshly as many people do. KadotheChameleos (talk) 11:21, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Building Golem or repairing structures
Building Golems, or repairing the boundaries..

I do not want to take part in the combat, but I would like to take part in the construction/repairs..

For the life of me, I cannot find any information on where or how to do this.

It is so frustrating.

I would like to see more on this part of the The Bird and The Beast.

So I can participate without the need for combat 178.239.208.52 14:25, December 11, 2013 (UTC)MollyTercero178.239.208.52 14:25, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

178.239.208.52 14:24, December 11, 2013 (UTC)Molly Tercero 178.239.208.52 14:24, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

Is disrupting useful
I can't seem to find anywhere in the news article what the point of the disruptor rod is, does it give renown? 15:32, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably just makes the opponent temporarily stop collecting, thus hampering their cause. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 16:05, December 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Which is useful to no-one, well an NPC maybe, but no actual person. So no reason to do so unless you're a mayor asshole. 04:50, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * It can also be used to disrupt people fighting a caravan. 11:45, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sacred metal fragments and Weapon parts
When aiding in the destruction of a convoy, I received the message "The fleeing Armadylean convoy drops some sacred metal fragments." along with 62 Sacred metal fragments. Earlier I got a similar message (but didn't make a note of it) for a weapon override part. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 19:40, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Another message: "To reward your sabotage of the Armadylean faction's building, Bandos gives you some sacred metal fragments." (for 27 sacred metal fragments, and again for 34 fragments). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 20:15, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * "You find some sacred metal fragments." (18 of them), after killing a Godless ambusher. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 20:24, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * The same message and 12 fragments for killing an Armadylean ambusher (or was it an Armadylean bodyguard..?). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:59, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * The same message (an 12 fragments) for killing a Bandosian bodyguard. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:55, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * 11 fragments and the message for killing an NPC during a skirmish (finally a drop...). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 19:04, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * "You receive some sacred metal fragments, as a reward for helping to fill the Bandos convoy." (for 77 sacred metal fragments). This was AFTER my convoy was destroyed! So you just have to participate, not succeed. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:42, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * The same message was received, along with 60 fragments, for a successful convoy. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 06:26, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * "You receive an orkish claw component, as a reward for helping to fill the Bandosian convoy." The convoy failed again. Yes, "Bandosian" this time instead of "Bandos". IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:24, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * "Bandos rewards your construction efforts with an orkish throwing axe component." IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 07:22, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * "The fleeing Bandosian convoy drops some sacred metal fragments.", giving me 67 of them after successfully destroying it. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:41, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * "Armadyl awards your construction efforts with some sacred metal fragments.", 35 of them. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:49, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * "You find an aviansie shield component." for killing a Bandosian ambusher during a skirmish. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 11:03, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * "The fleeing Bandosian convoy drops a stolen aviansie wand component." IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 12:41, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

On another note, it'll be easier to get later in the event: https://twitter.com/moltare/status/410854620165312512. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 09:24, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Quantities
I've received as little as 16 fragments and as many as 95 fragments at a single time. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 07:36, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * New lower bound: 12 for killing a Bandosian bodyguard. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:55, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Or well, the 11 I got from a skirmish earlier... *looks up* IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 10:56, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Might've hit the bottom cap now: 10 from a Bandosian bodyguard. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 11:09, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've gotten 98, which is coincidentally the level I have in whatever skill I was using, I don't remember, they're all 98. 04:55, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

How do I get div xp?
Mamabear47 (talk) 23:30, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * By following your own convoy around, and siphoning nodes that appear to fill the energy meter of your convoy. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 03:41, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * I finally found a convoy that actually succeeded in siphoning nodes. I was underwhelmed by the amount of xp. :-( Mamabear47 (talk) 19:18, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

World Event 2: Which God must die?
I hope Bandos dies, otherwise there is chaos and war which is terrible. Armadyl shall win!

This is Bandos's Personality DO YOU SEE NOW?! Bandos brings war in a same manner as WW2. don't even think there is Chaos and war after he's dead and same goes for Armadyl. I want the game the same as REAL LIFE! No wilderness in lumbridge and everywhere, nothing will be the same as Forinthy!
 * He is Merciless
 * He cares nothing about others
 * He kills everything that is living!
 * He is a Sadist as everyone knows
 * Finally he's power hungry since he wants the stone of Jas

BANDOS IS THE WORST GOD I KNOW OF! HE KILLS EVERYONE INCLUDING HIS BLOOD!

Same for Armadyl, there will be Freedom, Justice and Peace, when he lives! I am with what is good and I am not fully Armadylean, Otherwise I just want the sake of Good in both game and Real life.
 * Peace makes feel we live in safety without fear of war or destruction
 * Armadyl was once a pacifist, trying to bargain the gods to live in peace, but never works
 * Armadyl emerges as a brave Phoenix, whom will kill the worst gods in existence whenever neccesary
 * Finally he cares for his own people including other mortals who live in peace
 * Just like the second point, Armadyl is loathed to declare war, but it had to be done on Bandos.

You can disagree, but remember how life goes ingame and real life, I am a strictly good person, I have rights to offend evil things. Sorry for all that arguement. I'm a bit of a Pure hearted being.

So feel free to give your honest point of view and delete my claims if need be.

BANDOS IS A THREAT TO THE WHOLE MULTIVERSE! Don't you say anything about him being a good god and don't claim that Armadyl has power to control a war! This is FREEDOM! Armadyl is controlling people until the war ends. Bandos belongs to a now extinct race of Intelligent beings who value nothing, but that the Strongest who rule and WAR! Bandos killed his friends and Family, Why do the same thing when you're Bandosian, He manipulates and forces power on us to delcare and invoke heavy war in both game and real life. The commanders who are Bandos's most powerful Generals are also the most dangerous, if they think of spilling blood of innocents and their family.

Armadyl values Liberty, Peace, Freedom and Justice and doesn't mean he can control a war, He wants to kill Bandos, but is loath to try until his weapon is filled up rapidly far more than the scarecrow. Armadyl cares and loves his Aviansie far more, but he is also glad to see other supporters of his Ideology and so values Global Safety in the whole Multiverse for peacesake.

I am not a true Armadylean! I am Godless, who sides with the Good gods to destroy and defeat the evil beings first! Then when the worst of gods is wiped out, an opportunity comes for me and other godless people to finally take on the benevolent gods, both Saradomin and Armadyl and either murder them and exile them. I prefer Armadyl to be exiled than get slain by Bandos or any Destructive gods, who value Chaos and Death.

Please say your opinions carefully, I will argue more if any of you claim something Good about my hated Gods and my prefered gods. May the green philosophy be your dreams.


 * I'm pretty sure there will still be chaos and war when Bandos is dead, and there will still be justice and law when Armadyl is dead. They aren't the only gods there, and definitely not the only beings. 04:59, December 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Look, Bandos said it him self, the weaker one must die. Right now, that's looking like it's Bandos. Brandon 09:52, December 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * In all honesty both Gods bring up a decent point, Bandos brings up the point of the weak will never be good as the strong unless they train and fight which is true. Armadyl also pushes for justice which is needed in a war. I hate to see people complaing "Oh Armadyl is obviously the better choice he goes for justice and peace" Which isn't exactly true beacause of the power needed to control a war would consist of many gods allying Armadyl to control the war which wouldn't happen. I haven't seen anyone actually fight for the logic behind Bandos but Bandos is somewhat merciless and only cares for the strong.


 * Just to make it clear I've also seen people fight for Armadyl being wise and inteligent also, this isn't exactly true. Even though people look at Bandos like "Oh he's a goblin god, he is obviously stupid", he isn't exactly a idiotic goblin but actually apart of exctint inteligent demon race. Armadyl is known to show wisdom while Bandos is known to show stragety. Both the gods are equal to one another but it matters on your point of view. Do you want to try to control a war(Armadyl) or fight the war to finish it(Bandos)? Both ways would bring equal consquences to Gielnor.
 * 13:01, December 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * I am Armadyllian; I support Armadyl in this World Event and am aligned, via Taw'Paak, with Armadyl.  Therefore it follows that I want Armadyl to win, yes?  Yes, but I think that Bandos adds a bit of fun to the game: I think that Jagex should not 'kill off' one of the Gods, but have them 'demoted', like with Zamorak at the end of BoL.  87.115.69.38 15:55, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I admire your allegiance, but that's how the world event will end. The defeated God will die, how else do want them demoted. This is what makes this event very serious. Just don't complain if something goes wrong in the end.

Rewards section
This was recently added to the article's reward section: "There are 6 components of Warpriest armour, 4 weapon overrides, 3 emotes, 4 titles, and 3 abilities that can be bought or unlocked by random." What does the "or unlocked by random" imply? Are abilities unlockable by simply participating in the world event, or was it meant to include the 2 side-specific titles that are a possible reward for certain actions? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 06:52, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed that part. Rewritten a bit. 08:13, December 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * While we're on about rewording something, one thing bugs me about the (imo) too basic statement about obtaining all rewards (of both factions) being mathematically impossible. The numbers stated are only valid if all rewards are available at any time. Because tiers are locked until a further date, you are more than 29k renown short by the end of the event. (You are done gathering renown for all Tier 1 rewards, as well as the Tier 2 rewards of a certain side, BEFORE Tier 2 is unlocked. Any additional renown earned at this point, until the Tier is unlocked, is wasted). The best scenario I've been able to generate means I'll be 109k renown short at the end of the event (if the event lasts 42 days), or 19k renown short if the event lasts 45 days (a whole number of phases, assuming the phases have a constant length).
 * However, I fail to reword this in a short, clear paragraph... Is someone else better with words? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 08:40, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * This is slightly more clean-scrubbing than rewording/correcting than I inteded... Oh well. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 09:19, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

People on the wrong team.
Since this is neutral territory I'm wondering if I can figure this out here.

Why are there so many people with Bandosian mindsets on Armadyl's team?

I know I have an Armadylean mindset and I'm on Bandos' team, 'cause I want the rewards of both sides. Wouldn't anyone? Well actually, no, a lot of these people have not switched teams at all. So why did they pick a team they are not believing in? 04:53, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Title
Also I've seen people with the title '-of Armadyl' with the Bandos symbol above their heads! This just doesn't make sense to me, but I suppose they might want both rewards.87.115.69.38 11:18, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * People just tend to pick the winning time, or just what they feel like. Not many people actually consider the God's philosophies. 11:47, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * "of Armadyl" is a God Emissaries title, and unrelated to this world event. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 12:04, December 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Maybe not, but I find it strange that someone who supports Armadyl ( or just saw Taw'Paak, thought she was cool and decided to go with Armadyl from that) would go against him.  I suppose most people ignore the God's philosophies, but why not become aligned with Bandos if you support him in the world event.  Also in WE1, I saw people 'of Armadyl' ( the God of justice, law and peace) supporting Zamorak ( the God of chaos)!
 * I think hardly anyone actually reads the philosophies when choosing a God Emissary. 87.115.69.38 15:46, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Event Calendar

 * The content in this section is an estimation, not a proven fact. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 06:40, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Tier 3 unlocks 1 week before the end. Side switchers need to plan well for rewards. lol 58.153.167.231 05:08, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * i thought each phase is 5 days each? 05:29, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Correct, the above table is wrong simply for that fact: each phase lasts 5 days. Also, we have no hard confirmation on the length of the event. 6 weeks would be 42 days; however if we count whole phases, it's more likely 40 or 45 days. 45 days (9 phases) would make the most sense, as that implies Tier 3 would be unlocked for three whole phases, equalling Tiers 1 and 2. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 06:40, December 16, 2013 (UTC)