Talk:Zaros/Archive 1

Reworded Zaros' arrival
Reworded comment stating that Zaros' arrival marked the beginning of the Second Age, because in my opinion, the event that started the Second Age was the same one that ended the First (Guthix's slumber), the same as the events that started and ended other ages. The arrival of Zaros was possibly the first major event occurring wholly in the Second Age. Also, we aren't even sure that his arrival WAS the first major event of the Second Age, it says the Majharrat arrived in the early Second Age, and we don't know exactly how long they were there, serving Ichtlarin, before they came in contact with Zaros, or, vice-versa, how long he was on Gielinor before he challenged Ichtlarin.

Removed
January 10, 2011 Documentation

Under "Zaros' followers were demons, vampyres, and other unsavory creatures"

Icyene serving Zaros
Removed the comment about the Icyene serving Zaros. There is NO evidence to this, in fact, every time an Icyene is mentioned in game, it is referred to as a follower of Saradomin. Furthermore, in the Morytania Quests it is stated that Vampyres(Zaros' followers) were sworn enemies of the Icyene, given that, I am removing the claims of Zarosian Icyene, and request they not be made unless significant evidence is provided by Jagex either in or out of the game, and that evidence is citated.

empire at peace
Removed the assertion that Zaros' empire was at peace. Given that the apparent situation in the Second Age was tense, I find this very difficult to justify. Also, if I recall, the only part of his empire referred to as a "paradise" was the Wilderness adn it was referred to as a "natural paradise" as in a place with beautriful flora and fauna. If anyone has the exact quote, could they put it on this site for clarification's sake? Thank you.

leading question, regarding good/evil
Removed "Does it make Zaros evil for having followers who are today considered evil? Or is it perhaps that the two factions of Saradomin and Zamorak formed after his downfall; that a single benevolent dominion crumbled into two feuding nations." This is a leading question, which seems to be the author trying to convince the reader of a specific viewpoint. It is my belief that the wiki should report all the facts without taking any speculative stances.

Armadyl relationship
Removed the following section : Firstly, the line quoted from Armadyl's article (which, if I recall does not have citation) in no way suggests he aided or mourned the lost of Zaros. In fact, his involvement in the sealing away of Nex, and the Mysterious Ghost mini-series suggests the opposite.
 * 1) Armadyl, the god of Justice, seems to have a positive affiliation with both Saradomin AND Zaros. To quote Armadyl's article, "Their supposed extinction, and Zaros's banishment, are the major factors of his departure from Gielinor," implying that he somewhat mourned Zaros' demise. However, common oppinion is that Saradomin is Armadyl's successor... so how could Saradomin be so hostile to Zaros when his predecessor seemed to show no ill-opinions. Perhaps Saradomin isn't the god he was when he succeeded Armadyl, having become corrupt by a petty feud with Zamorak. Or maybe Saradomin tricked Armadyl into stepping down. The God Wars Dungeon is the spanner in the works... Armadyl's forces apparently aided to imprison Nex, but Armadyl's forces also fight against Saradomin's. But this could be personal to the armies, and not their allegiance... Nex was vengeful and dangerous, Saradomin's forces wished to take the Sword.

There is no evidence in game or (to my knowledge) stated by Jagex suggesting Saradomin is Armadyl's successor. The god letters, in fact, paint a portrait of the two being contemparary allies.

Another note about this section is that even if Saradomin was corrupted by a feud with Zamorak, the point is moot. Saradominist forces were opposed to Zarosian forces long before Zamorak became a god (see the Ghostly Robes Mini-quest)

Finally, it is worth noting that Armadyl's NPC forces DO NOT attack Saradomin's NPC forces nor vice versa. (They will however, attack players who lack an item associated with Armadyl, regardless of that player wearing one associated with Saradomin.)

Noir Omega 00:22, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

large edits: removed, reworded, reviced
December 17, 2010 Edit Documentation

(Made a fairly large edit, documenting changes and reasons here, changes and explanations follow the name of the section they were made in)

Noir Omega 00:33, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

-Main Section-

Added clarification involving Zaros promoting either good or evil to include that while there is no evidence he promoted evil, there is likewise none showing him as promoting good.

-Defeat-

Added details of Zamorak's asension to godhood given the information WGS has on the Stone of Jas, clarified that some Zarosians remained loyal.

-Aftermath-

Removed the "hinting that they work together to bring Zaros down" as it seems redundant.

-Religion-

Changed Azzandra's temple to Azzanadra's pyramid, as too my knowledge there is no evidence of it having been a temple.

Removed "Either way, it is likely the the Kalphites will play a role in the upcoming mahjarrat quest series, especially now that Zaros has returned." (in the area talking about Scabaras) as this is speculation about a future event

-Common Evidence for Zaros Being a Malevolent Deity-

Removed "It is also possible Saradomin is more evil than commonly thought, because Saradominists done cruel things in early ages to other gods too, making Zamorak is a too evil "counterweight" for Saradomin, making the less evil Zaros a better counterweight." My main issue with this is the phrase "because Saradominists done cruel things in early ages to other gods too" this lacks citation, and too my knowledge, the only gods Saradomin has been directly opposed to have been Zamorak and Zaros. In addition, "cruel" has not been defined in this context. If it is returned to this section, please add a citation.

Added "Furthermore, Armadyl, who Jagex referred to (in the odd gods poll) as the god of Supreme Justice, is commonly thought of as being Saradomin's ally at this time, which means that he likely was not on friendly terms with Zaros either." this is a modified version of an earlier part of this section (My main change was adding the source)

Removed the phrase "fact they detested" (referring to the other gods opinion of Zaros) as their is no conclusive evidence of detesting Zaros, even if there was hostility/fear/suspicion toward him.

Cleaned up the area about why the other gods may have been hostile to Zaros.

Removed "This might be a safety measure" as this is redundant.

Removed "This might also be because they thought Zaros was too strong, and thought he was a danger to them because of his huge empire" as this is redundant.

-Players-

Cleaned up the last sentence to read "At the same only a small part of the players voted on this poll." As before it was redundant.

Bob the Cat
Added clarificaiton regarding the unlikeliness that Bob the Cat is Zaros. Considered removing, but decided clarifying would be more productive.

Removed "However it might indicate Bob, or his previous form Robert the Strong is linked to Zaros, who may have given Robert the power to defeat the evil Dragonkin." Too my knowledge, no evidence in game, or from Jagex suggests this. If this is replaced, please include citations.

Shouldn't this mention Robert the Strong in the Reincarnation? section? I mean, if Bob IS the reincarnation of Zaros then Rob must've been as well. 12:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Robert the Strong is not a reincarnation of Zaros, because Zaros never died and therefore couldn't reincarnate to anyone Slate Orchid 02:22, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Added a sentence (days ago, only just now thought to justify it) suggesting that Bob could be saying that he is Zarosian (as in his religion). There's no reason to assume that he could only be saying that he's Zaros. Furthermore the phrase "I don't believe much because I am Zarosian" would have similar meaning to "I don't believe God created cats because I'm agnostic." Then maybe Robert the Strong was a Zarosian warrior who Zaros is planning to resurrect. Sliske gave Robert the power to kill Dragonkin. EliteArmourer 06:30, July 11, 2011 (UTC) 74.185.250.211 06:43, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Goblin god
End of December 17, 2010 Edit Documentation

"It is theorised that the goblins worshipped him as the goblin god." Theorised by who? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 06:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Removed the sentence. Chaoticar 03:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Please do not remove my contributions. I really look up this stuff. 68.100.88.213
 * So where does it come from? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  22:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well it's either him or Zamorak, hence me putting the "It is theorised that the goblins worshipped him as 'the goblin god'.". Also I wrote that, and I believe that I had the right to remove it, as an editor. Chaoticar 07:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The evidence is ingame. In a goblin book (from the Cave Goblins), it details a 'Big High War God' (BHWG) who sought aid from various races.

Actually, 'BHWG' is eplained in the FunOrb game Armies of Gielinor (a game based on the God Wars) that Bandos is infact the god of war and ruler of the 'plain of mud'.

No god is referred to by name, instead they use things like 'God of Shiny Light'. Some think that the BHWG is Zamorak, but in the text it also mentions a 'Fire God' (or similar) that sound much more like Zamorak. So, by process of elimination, BHWG is Zaros or some previously unsuspected, violent deity.

Pfft. I also removed some fancrap in the "Betrayal" section ('He tried to choke Zamorak', completely unfounded, I HAVE the original battle convo in picture form).

WIth the release of the god dungeon we now know that goblins do not follow zaros, they follow bandos. --Mrs' skilly 13:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC) {C}Kang227 14:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well they follow Bandos now, but there's no reason that suggest that they've always followed Bandos. And besides, we already know that Bandos didn't create the goblins (Land of the Goblins Quest), he merely found them in Yu'biusk then took them to Runescape as war minions. Obviously the goblins were created by someone, or something else, which could very well be Zaros. I'll research a bit more on this topic.
 * Guthix created the Goblins, not Zaros, Guthix took the plane created by the Elder Gods and shaped it into Gielinor, and then created all life on the planet aside from humans, who he brought into Gielinor though the portal shown in Meeting History. Slate Orchid 02:22, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

New Zaros talk
In a recent KB article, the one about Bounty Hunter;

''In the centre of the Wilderness, bounded on all sides by the desolation of the god wars, crouches a volcano. Not quite dormant, the massive crater that bears witness to the violence of its birth is home to Mandrith, Guardian of the Crater. In the earliest days of man's existence on RuneScape, this volcano was the site of the first murder, and for this reason an unnamed god cracked and split the earth to give the volcano life. ''


 * Un-named god = Zaros 67.159.50.90 14:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * But can you be sure that it's Zaros? 22:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody likes to talk to him ingame, so it is possible, but NOT likily. In a harry potter sense, Its like saying you-know-who instead of voldemort.--Pkthis 00:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Removing the Trivia that says "Zaros one of the few gods without a section in the God wars area." false for the following reasons: since god wars area only has 4 gods out of 24 known gods, as 20 out of 24 gods aren't in it, also as the god wars started after Zammorak became a god he wouldn't have even been in the god wars anyway. Chaos knight 22:54, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Source guide
Dear Reldo

This is actually my second response to your letter. The first one I realised was unsatisfying to your request. Firstly, it was too long, secondly, it dealt with many more conflicts than the Mahjarrat, and I realised that it was the Mahjarrat’s history and what has happened to them that you were interested in knowing.

And so, without further delay, here’s my version, based around historical facts, stories and events that I have laid my eyes and ears upon.

The Mahjarrat is a race of strong warriors, who originally came from another world, known to us only as Freneskae. This world was a world of constant warfare, which is why the Mahjarrat have come to become as strong as they are. The Mahjarrat are not by any means immortal, but their strength is far superior to most of the beings in RuneScape, and their lifespan far longer than humans. When the Mahjarrat first came in saradomins mouth, they served under the desert god Icthlarin, the god of the dead. Then one day, during the second age, another god approached them and asked them to serve under his rule, this god was the dread lord Zaros, a name which has almost been forgotten by the world, as the Saradominists have done everything in their power to delete all traces of his existence throughout the ages. The Mahjarrat Azzanadra said of Zaros that this god understood the Mahjarrat and their ways much better than Icthlarin, and that Icthlarin had never controlled the Mahjarrat, and in all honesty, I don’t think any god could possibly control the Mahjarrat against their will. The Mahjarrat eventually abandoned Icthlarin and joined forces with Zaros, and with them in his army he quickly became the ruler of large parts of the land.

It was when Zaros had become the strongest of Gods that Zamorak, merely a mortal Mahjarrat at the time and the general of Zaros’s forces, had grown power hungry. Zamorak wished to take the power for himself, and so, with the help of some fellow Mahjarrat and the Vampyre Lord Drakan, he managed to get his hands on the Staff of Armadyl, a very powerful weapon.

Zamorak then encountered Zaros, wielding the Godstaff of Armadyl, but even though Zamorak had the help of a god's weapon, he was still not able to defeat Zaros. It was then that Zaros tripped and fell onto the Godstaff of Armadyl, which impaled him. A bright light was seen, and both began to fade out of existence. The battle was over and they were both gone, and as a result the Zaros' pants quickly fell to Saradomin’s penis without a condom to defend it.

But then one day Zamorak reappeared, reborn and now immortal. The Staff of Armadyl had transferred some of Zaros’ godly powers to Zamorak, and he was now a god himself. The following thing that happened was the God Wars between the god Saradomin, Zamorak, Bandos and Armadyl.

While Zamorak and Zaros were gone, the Zamorakian and the Zarosian Mahjarrat fought, many were killed and more were trapped. Below I will explain about each individual Mahjarrat I have come to know of, who they are aligned to, and what has happened to them.

Let’s start with the Zamorakian Mahjarrat.

Hazeel: {C}Hazeel is one of the physically strong Mahjarrats, he was a good friend of Zamorak and helped him betray Zaros. Hazeel eventually gained control of Ardougne, but was later overthrown by a mob and killed. Hazeel was later resurrected and has headed north to meet with the other Mahjarrat.

Lucien: {C}Lucien is a physically weak Mahjarrat, he helped betay Zaros by casting a spell on the Godstaff of Armadyl so that Zaros could not feel its presence. Lucien recently tried to get his hands on the Godstaff of Armadyl once again, but I prevented him from doing so. Lucien is expected to be heading north to meet with the other Mahjarrat.

Enakhra: {C}Enakhra managed to trap the Zarosian Mahjarrat Akthanakos in a temple which she built as a dedication to her loyalty to Zamorak. I managed to free Akthanakos and they have both headed north to fight.

Zemouregal: {C}Zemouregal is known from the Legend of Arrav, he’s known to be able to infiltrate one's dreams and to be able to summon and control the undead. I speculate that Zemouregal is going to perform an attack on Varrock soon, and I fear that it will be with an undead Arrav by his side.

Now, onto the Zarosian Mahjarrat.

Azzanadra: {C}Azzanadra is probably Zaros’ most loyal servant, and most likely also his strongest. Azzanadra is as close as a mortal can get to immortality, which is why he was trapped in a Pyramid, rather than killed. I managed to free Azzanadra from his prison during my travels, and in exchange he granted me the ability to use the Ancient Magicks of the Mahjarrat. I expect that Azzanadra will be heading north to fight the Zamorakian Mahjarrat.

Akthanakos: Akthanakos was, as I mentioned earlier, trapped by Enakhra. After I freed him he went to battle with Enakhra, I expect that they have probably headed north.

Sliske: Sliske is the last of the known Mahjarrat loyal to Zaros. He is known from the tale The Fall of the Six, and is the one who granted the Barrows Brothers their powers to fight Zamorak’s evil hordes. I will continue to try to uncover more information about Sliske, but as of now this is all I know.

Other possible Mahjarrat is the Oracle. She looks like Hazeel, and she’s definitely been in this world for a long time, but I can’t seem to figure out where her allegiance is and how she’s connected to the others.

I was once told by a wise gnome, who had the ability to see into the future, that amongst the Mahjarrat will be someone else, someone who does not belong there, someone who will fight them. I do not know who this person is, but I have a bad feeling that I’m going to be involved further in this matter.

I heard somewhere that there were about 100 Mahjarrats when they first came to RuneScape; by now, though, some must’ve died from age, others in battle. I don’t think we have yet uncovered all of the remaining Mahjarrat, but I don’t think there are much more than 10 of them left. It has been many ages and they have been at war for most of them.

I hope any of this have helped on your understanding of the Mahjarrat.

So, until the dark times must be fought Baralai22, Adventurer

Starting to see a pattern of some sort here.......
Have you ever noticed that for the non-wildernessteleport spells in the ancient magicks spellbook, there is always a trapdoor or some sort of underground entrance nearby? to clarify, the edgeville teleport will take you to edgeville dungeon, nearby an entrance/exit, the dig site teleport is closeby to where you can go underground using a winch, the ice mountain teleport is close by to the dwarven mine, and the canfis teleport is nearby to the basement in the tavern.

Whereas for the wilderness teleport, there is NO sort of trapdoor/underground accessway that is nearby.

Perhaps at one point in time, the non-wilderness cities were linked by tunnels, which allowed the transportation and distributation of goods/people/information, exc.? Its just a theorm, but it may be worth investigating.

I also believe that, if the non-wilderness cities had tunnels nearby, then this must state that the cities in the wilderness were merely just fortresses.--Pkthis 00:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Zaros: A marvelous ranger?
I'd sure like some kinda citation for this line. Any volunteers? Sir Revan125 21:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Zaros:Alignment
i believe i've stumbled upon zaros's alignment. FEAR or The Darkness. if you study upon his names, you can figure out that, fear leaves a empty feeling inside of you, and hopelessness also leaves a empty and dark feeling inside of you. i also believe he could be the god of Negativity.the example of the negativity theory is that the ancient staff takes prayer from you, and he seems to be feared by the positive gods. i also believe he could be fear god because he is sometimes refered to as the dread lord.    floppyc5     01:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a good theory, but only a theory, Zaros's views on Good and Evil / Right and Wrong / Justice and Chaos (and so on) are still mainly unknown. He his referred to as Unknown Power, Empty Lord, ect... it's still a mystery to many of us. We can only hope that Zaros's past, present and future will be revealed soon. "Long live Magicks; Long live Zaros!  [[File:Ancient staff.png]]  Xana Attack  [[File:Cape (black).png‎]]  


 * It's possible, but I usually think of him as the god of power/reagalness cuz his color is purple. "Down with Zaros, and may Zamorak rule eternally" Foop46 23:19, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

What about.. God of Change?

Can someone follow my reasoning? 20:26, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Juna said that Guthix would like Zaros to replace Zamorack again to make for a better balance. Implying that Zaros needs to counter Saradomin's Order. Chaos and Change do that both (in my eyes).
 * After becoming rather powerful with Armadyl's staff, Zamorak changed into a god while impaling Zaros. Lucien who posessed both Armadyl's staff and Jas' stone could be (considered) to be even more powerful. Maybe that's why Lucien claimed to be a god (in RotM) or just to scare-off. Maybe by impaling the god of change Zamorak could change into a god. Maybe that's why the other gods were so terrified too (starting the god wars), when defeating Bandos only Guthix was insulted, but still okay.
 * Some bad reasons... he helped change the Mahjarrat from Icthlarin's to him.
 * You can change the Saradomin altar (in the White knight's castle) to a Zaros one (after completing the elite Falador tasks).
 * Some Mahjarrat say that Zaros did not seem to fully understand them, they like destruction ddeath and ashes, like on their homeland. Maybe Zaros fulfilled his part for the Mahjarrat till that far, after that they wanted something else (but not be a slave to Bandos, eventhough the seeming natural fix)


 * Where has Jagex stated Zaros's alignment? As far as I know, even in the lore live stream, they weren't being too clear with it.

Nathan 06:21, March 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, there is a link to the live stream to the minute, this is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQg_xYVKQJY&t=25m0s if you listen from 25:00 to 25:55 you should be able to make it out. They don't just agree on the alignment (25:28), they also describe it further... like that article states. Hope this helps ;)  10:44, March 4, 2013 (UTC)