Talk:Soul Wars/Archive 2

Ruby (e) bolts on 2K HP
The Avatar of Creation and Destruction articles say they both have 2K hitpoints. I wonder if anyone can test out whether ruby (e) bolts would work normally against them, i.e. whether they can hit 400 on them or not. Red X 226 04:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I unfortunately just missed the screenie of somebody hitting a 196 on the Avatar of Destruction. I hit Print Screen, but I must have been too late. If I had a decent range level, I'd try it. =\ 15:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd try but I can't live long enough to hit him enough. Everyone sees someone in void and they pile.  I have 99 range, any ideas on how I can get a better chance pm me - octavivs (76 max so far)

you could do a controled test on a less common world with friends... -ace p wild seen a 200 and personaly hit a 170=)

I was lucky enough to get there with no one else, and no damage done, and i was lucky to hit a 200 on the avatar of destruction.

1 avatar has 1k hitpoints, that means you CAN'T hit 400 on 1 of the avatars only
 * They have 1k hp each. I've personally seen 200's on them.--66.57.66.214 20:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

On the avatar of creation at 67 range i hit a 109 then a 132 with full dh hit a 59 and 1-hitted me I think that ruby(e) bolts are extremely effective but I highly doubt that 400's can be hit with them.

i just saw the funniest thing
w145 at the sw waiting area in the decorative cemeteries, people going hog-wild digging for treasures. lucky me i "found" a ddp ! 23:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

This was a joke played by high level players, tricking lower levels into not joining the game, as they would be the ones to fall for it.

Holy lag
World 44 is not recommended for Soul wars, you will lag like a snail!! Even trying to get onto a team can be difficult since there is about, 100 to 400 people playing at any one time. O.o Nat12345919 05:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think what you meant to say was, you lagged, which can easily be attributed to your personal location (not so much geographically but moreover net-centrically (if that is a word))... After all if my ISP is the on the same sub-back-bone as that which connects W44, then one might expect my throughput to said world to have better connectivity (connectivity) than say those in areas which are further away at least in the net-centric version of distance.... 06:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Zomg I have since played a game in which there were over 1,100 people, the lag was amazing in HD, i had to go SD for those 9 games that were over 1,000 players each... 13:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I had mild lag spikes here and there, but nothing too horrible. 13:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, i have been having the same problem as you Nat.... Its packed there --86.16.174.173 17:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Never lagged in world 44, which is my favourite world for Sw... If you play in HD I understand, but I don't.. Actually.. I played Soul Wars HD world 44 on my mums laptop, no lag. So something to do with computer.

i actually dont lag on world 44, but maybe thats cus ive got hp.on my mate com it lags even on world 11 where apsolutely nobody is, draynor. now i see how differant computers are differant! --82.14.85.195 19:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)rummy_chikin

question
Is it more like stealing creation? 00:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

No, its more like castle wars except you defeat the avatars and capture the obelisk. Nat12345919 00:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

game play is closer to cw, but the rewards seem closer to pest control. 03:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC) Selling Spade 15k

ok ppl something really strange is happening to me, always when im red (never when blue):i cant attack blue! wtf!? got only follow, assist, walk here and trade options. plz ansewer, i want to fight as red not only bury bones!!

Exp/Charms reward table
The tables for rewards need to be expanded - including data about how much experience you get at a specific level. Similarly for the charms table, data about how many of each charm at specific levels.

At the moment, it seems there is just about enough data to do the experience reward table; however I'm not so sure about the charms rewards. For now I'm rewording that section, until enough data is gathered. 21:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I hope this is what you mean by Data. For charms i am level 57 summoning and i get:
 * 4 Zeal 34 Gold Charms
 * 5 Zeal 22 Green Charms
 * 12 Zeal 22 Red Charms
 * 30 Zeal 29 Blue Charms
 * Web feedback 2.gif User talk  Evil Yanks  Contribs Web feedback 2.gif 06:15, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thats what we need. I'm also level 57 summoning, and I get offered 34 gold, 22 green, 22 crimson and 29 blue, for the same zeal. My combat level is 109, if that makes any difference.
 * The trouble is, we need charm values for every summoning level, 1-99 (minus 2 and 3, since you can't have such levels)! Might take a while; continue posting here. I'll summarise the data on my userpage. 13:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

77 summoning, 128 combat: 47 gold, 31 green, 30 crimson, 41 blue. Someone in my clan has 71 summoning, 123 combat, and he gets: 41 gold, 27 green, 26 crimson and 36 blue. 18:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 30 Summoning: 14 gold, 9 green, 9 red, 12 blue Heijn 20:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

56 summon and same charms as magma
 * Great, thanks. Magma, are you sure your summoning level/charms is correct? Because level 81-82 (kytti khat and Lakor) are rewarded less charms at a higher level.
 * I'm pretty sure combat level doesn't matter, per what you [Magma] said above and mine and Evil yank's rewards. 20:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure they don't either, I found someone on the forums who posted their charms, and though he outclassed my combat levels in every other way (to the point of having capes aplenty) he had the same summoning level as me and the same charm count. I'm sure of my personal count above, and my clanmate went especially to check for me. Since then I have gained a summoning level, I have just been to check my current rewards - Summoning 78 combat 128: 47 gold, 31 green, 30 crimson, 41 blue - Same as 77 summoning. 21:09, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. I see. Seems like there's an anomaly developing here. I expected some to be the same (like the exp rewards), but the trend doesn't seem to be higher level = more charms. Two levels for definate (77 and 78, possible more), give more charm rewards than two higher levels for definate (81 and 82, possible more).
 * Could be real, and is a complex formula (I'm thinking along the lines of abn-s where a is the number of charms at level 1, b is a ratio of just above 1, s is Summoning level and n is a constant around 80)... but you can't rule out that it isn't a glitch. We'll soon see, with more data. 22:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Alright- Its table time!

 * {| class="wikitable sortable"

! Combat level !! Summoning level !! Total level!! !! !!  !!  !! Submitted by User: Gallaxy1200||
 * 99 || 53 || 1535 || 32 || ? || ? || ? || Lumidius
 * ? || 30 ||?|| 14 || 9 || 9 || 12 || User:Heijn
 * 31+8 || 69 || 932 || 6 || 4 || 4 || 5 || User:King Algaes
 * 47+0 || 1 || 187 || 6 || 4 || 4 || 5 || User:omg r u mine
 * 76 || 28 ||1294|| 14 || 9 || 9 || 12 || User:Salmelu
 * 84+9 || 73 || 1667 || 14 || 9 || 9 || 12 || User:omg r u mine
 * 90 || 65 ||1800+|| 23 || 15 || 15 || 19 || User:Amakudaru
 * 93 || 38 ||1354 || 23 || 15 || 15 || 19 || User:Aburnett001
 * 96 || 25 ||1510 || 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || User:Tidbit1
 * 96 || 54 ||1514 || 23 || 15 || 15 || 19 || User:Dgtns
 * 99 || 58 || 1616 || 23 || 15 || 15 || 19|| DobbelB
 * 102 || 45 ||1497|| 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || User:samrawuk
 * 104 || 65 ||1722|| 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || User:Doggybix42
 * 96+9 (105) || 70 ||1778|| 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || User:stewbasic
 * 105 || 57 ||1635|| 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || User:Evil yanks
 * 106 || 59 ||1640|| 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || User:Evil yanks
 * 106 || 61 ||1535|| 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || User:ThatOneGuy
 * 107 || 58 ||1708|| 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || User:Shadesleer
 * 108 || 82 ||1616|| 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || Forestman11
 * 108 || 60 ||1750+ ||34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || HS Lanticex (Lanticex)
 * 109 || 57 ||1701|| 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || User:Gaz Lloyd
 * 110 || 73 ||1641|| 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || User:cunkang123
 * 104+6 || 49 ||1699|| 41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || HS sp0t (SP0T)
 * 112 || 47 ||1689|| 41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Herobutface1
 * 112 || 73 ||1797|| 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 || HS Nailincoffin (Nailincoffin)
 * style="vertical-align: top;"|112
 * style="vertical-align: top;"|70
 * style="vertical-align: top;"|1907
 * style="vertical-align: top;"|34
 * style="vertical-align: top;"|22
 * style="vertical-align: top;"|22
 * style="vertical-align: top;"|29
 * style="vertical-align: top;"|User:Bowler225
 * 114 || 76 ||around 1770||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Marnit1990
 * 115 || 76 ||1774||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Marnit1990
 * 115 || 77 ||1775||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Marnit1990
 * 117 || 62 ||1693||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Midimatt
 * 118 || 62 ||1703|| 41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || HS Nrwriter (Nrwriter)
 * 120 || 69 ||1854||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:J-g
 * 120 || 80 ||1860+||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Horsetears
 * 121 || 77 ||1860||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:HtsTigers03
 * 121 || 70 ||1760+ ||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:chettyharish
 * 122 || 47 ||1503|| 41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || HS Qaq34 (Qaq34)
 * 123 || 71 ||?|| 41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Magma2050
 * 125 || 74 ||1909|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Octavivs
 * 126 || 72 ||2k+|| 41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:XoPp
 * 128 || 77 ||2131||47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Magma2050
 * 128 || 79 ||2144||47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Magma2050
 * 130 || 68 ||1721|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || Chidoriclan1-(AKA Dark_wizzie)
 * 131 || 74 ||1895|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Smart28
 * 135 || 97 ||2066|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:scott 0888
 * 125+10 (135) || 81 ||2181||47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || HS rodentratman (rodentratman)
 * 125+11 (136) || 90 ||2286|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Algaes
 * 136 || 86 ||2056|| 53 || 34 || 34 ||45 || HS Super Majin (Super Majin)
 * 136 || 80 ||2045||53 || 34 || 34 || 45 || User:Jard Y Dooku
 * 138 || 96 || 2039 || 53 || 34 || 34 || 45 || User:Haloolah123
 * 84+7 || 53 || 1502 || 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 ||
 * style="vertical-align: top;"|29
 * style="vertical-align: top;"|User:Bowler225
 * 114 || 76 ||around 1770||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Marnit1990
 * 115 || 76 ||1774||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Marnit1990
 * 115 || 77 ||1775||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Marnit1990
 * 117 || 62 ||1693||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Midimatt
 * 118 || 62 ||1703|| 41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || HS Nrwriter (Nrwriter)
 * 120 || 69 ||1854||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:J-g
 * 120 || 80 ||1860+||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Horsetears
 * 121 || 77 ||1860||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:HtsTigers03
 * 121 || 70 ||1760+ ||41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:chettyharish
 * 122 || 47 ||1503|| 41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || HS Qaq34 (Qaq34)
 * 123 || 71 ||?|| 41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:Magma2050
 * 125 || 74 ||1909|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Octavivs
 * 126 || 72 ||2k+|| 41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:XoPp
 * 128 || 77 ||2131||47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Magma2050
 * 128 || 79 ||2144||47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Magma2050
 * 130 || 68 ||1721|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || Chidoriclan1-(AKA Dark_wizzie)
 * 131 || 74 ||1895|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Smart28
 * 135 || 97 ||2066|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:scott 0888
 * 125+10 (135) || 81 ||2181||47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || HS rodentratman (rodentratman)
 * 125+11 (136) || 90 ||2286|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Algaes
 * 136 || 86 ||2056|| 53 || 34 || 34 ||45 || HS Super Majin (Super Majin)
 * 136 || 80 ||2045||53 || 34 || 34 || 45 || User:Jard Y Dooku
 * 138 || 96 || 2039 || 53 || 34 || 34 || 45 || User:Haloolah123
 * 84+7 || 53 || 1502 || 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 ||
 * 126 || 72 ||2k+|| 41 || 27 || 26 || 36 || User:XoPp
 * 128 || 77 ||2131||47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Magma2050
 * 128 || 79 ||2144||47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Magma2050
 * 130 || 68 ||1721|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || Chidoriclan1-(AKA Dark_wizzie)
 * 131 || 74 ||1895|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Smart28
 * 135 || 97 ||2066|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:scott 0888
 * 125+10 (135) || 81 ||2181||47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || HS rodentratman (rodentratman)
 * 125+11 (136) || 90 ||2286|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Algaes
 * 136 || 86 ||2056|| 53 || 34 || 34 ||45 || HS Super Majin (Super Majin)
 * 136 || 80 ||2045||53 || 34 || 34 || 45 || User:Jard Y Dooku
 * 138 || 96 || 2039 || 53 || 34 || 34 || 45 || User:Haloolah123
 * 84+7 || 53 || 1502 || 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 ||
 * 125+10 (135) || 81 ||2181||47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || HS rodentratman (rodentratman)
 * 125+11 (136) || 90 ||2286|| 47 || 31 || 30 || 41 || User:Algaes
 * 136 || 86 ||2056|| 53 || 34 || 34 ||45 || HS Super Majin (Super Majin)
 * 136 || 80 ||2045||53 || 34 || 34 || 45 || User:Jard Y Dooku
 * 138 || 96 || 2039 || 53 || 34 || 34 || 45 || User:Haloolah123
 * 84+7 || 53 || 1502 || 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 ||
 * 136 || 80 ||2045||53 || 34 || 34 || 45 || User:Jard Y Dooku
 * 138 || 96 || 2039 || 53 || 34 || 34 || 45 || User:Haloolah123
 * 84+7 || 53 || 1502 || 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 ||
 * 138 || 96 || 2039 || 53 || 34 || 34 || 45 || User:Haloolah123
 * 84+7 || 53 || 1502 || 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 ||
 * 84+7 || 53 || 1502 || 34 || 22 || 22 || 29 ||
 * }

108+9 (117)     78                        1800+         ?     ?     ?   41   Airwicka

Keep submitting data, hopefully we can figure this out! if your data is incomplete, Please submit all of it so that we can be accurate! -- 15:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

NOTE: I think the amount of charms you get is based ONLY on your Summoning level... Jard Y Dooku 18:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I've added my lvl 135 combat stats and looks like summoning level does not affect the amount of charms in the reward - HS rodentratman (rodentratman) 19:07, 23 July 2009 (ACST)

Looks to me like combat level has something to do with charm rate, my charms are the same as the lvl 123 but I'm 9 levels higher in summoning ~Horsetears
 * Great stuff. I integrated this into the table on my userpage, and some values are quite suspicious. I have done some quick browsing on the forums, and found this: SW Blue Charms Figured Out. Seems resonable to me, maybe further tweaking is necessery for other charms. 20:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I just got Total Level 1450, and I still have the same cost as I did at 1449. So while this doesn't disprove the theory behind the forum post, it does disprove the exact levels.
 * Well, it kinda helps it... "always round down unless your less than 1 charm away from the next slot". 1449&#247;50 = 28.98, which is less than 1 away from the next slot (of 29). And of course 1450&#247;50=29. So its helping the formula. Formula here is is kinda like $$floor((total/50)+1)$$. From there, we can deduce that your total level must be greater than (including or not including not known currently) 900. The formula doesn't work at most values inbetween the 'border values' listed in the post. Counter examples are welcome. 13:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha! I'm glad there are people smarter than me on this thing :) Dgtns 14:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries, =P A message for everyone: add your total level to the table when you add data! If you've already added data, add what it was when you added the data! Thanks! (The levels I added to the table I gleamed from userpages. I wasn't sure how often you updated it, or if it's changed, so fill in the exact value if possible. Thanks.) 15:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Went ahead and added my data to the table. 09:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Mine too, I'm not sure what my clanmate's total level was at the time though so I've left his entry blank. I've also put in the identical charm amounts when I gained one summoning level. I'll keep that one updated with the highest level I reach without getting more charms, as all the intermediate levels will be the same and there's no point wasting space. 19:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

From all these new additions, it's starting to look like charm quantities depend purely on combat level - sorted into ascending order, only combat level gives charms in the right order without glitches. Data from people with combat levels below 90, 94-101, 111-119, 124-127 and 137-138 would help find boundary levels if this is true. 19:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree actually. Its seems to be combat-level based... or maybe total combat level (that is, the sum of the level of each combat skill). It could prove more accurate, and account for discrepancies between combat levels and rewards - someone could have a high combat level, yet a lower combat level has the same rewards (possibly over a theoretical reward boundry) due to a high ranged and magic level, as they won't contribute to a melee based combat level, but will to the total combat level (making the high- and low level's TCL about the same, hence same rewards). Maybe?
 * But for now it seems okay to use combat levels until something like that happens (which it may or may not). Hust another idea, we've been through a couple. Lol. 21:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I have organized them by # of charms first, then I ordered them by combat level and none of the data is out of place. You can even tell things like from 100-110 combat level you get 34-22-22-29. It looks like:
 * 1-90(?):14-9-9-12
 * 90-100:22-15-15-19
 * 100-110:34-22-22-29
 * 110-125:41-27-26-36
 * 125-135:47-31-30-41
 * 136:52-34-34-45

As I mentioned above it is the boundary conditions we need to investigate. Especially useful would be input from the two most extreme conditions - combat levels 3 and 138 - which would give us the highest and lowest charms available. If anyone reading this talk page is a member who meets these conditions, all they have to do is go into the portal and check the rewards list. There's no risk so even the lowest levels should have no problems. Your above summary needs to be non-inclusive by the way - for instance you have 110 within two ranges where it should only be in the first one. 23:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Moved some people around so they are ranked by cb level now. And added my own data. I think we can conclude it is based upon cb levels

Based on combat level + summoning, or combat level without summoning? good luck, I'm sure my stats will help lol Omg r u mine 17:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a very good point actually. Adding up your F2P combat level above and the contribution made with summoning, it does not go in line with the data we already have. Maybe some of the previous posters were checking their combat level where summoning does not get counted? 17:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Updated with the charms for 117 combat, seems to be in line with what everyone else is getting Midimatt 19:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Edited in my results, it seems charms are dependant on f2p combat lvl (algaes/king algaes)

I'm BigSister bot developer and I made this spreadsheet together with Matt (RuneScript bot developer), P_Gertrude (Gerty bot developer) and some help from other friends:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pWHrzaJPdGqC7wvOj-GHBNA

At some moment in time we decided that the charms were based on some "base" stats, but we ended up getting nowhere with some fail safe formula. Feel free to use our gathered data and semi formulas and together we may be able to get something. By the way, we discarded total level and quest points right away, because there were obviously no relation whatsoever.


 * ALfa 10:46, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey I am level 130 with 57 summoning and here are my options:

Zeal | Charms Gold: 4 | 47 Green: 5 | 31 Crimson: 12 | 30 Blue: 30 | 41

-Darkprince8

Hi everyone! I am lvl 130 as well, with 68 summoning, and my options are exactly the same as Darkprince8's. 130.65.109.40 22:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)Dark_wizzie

Hi every im madton2 my cmb is 126+11 and i want to say i get 45 blue charms with my cmb 2019 total and 282 quest points. i only researched blue charms but it seems at 126 ftp ur maxed on charms. my summon lvl is 88 currently

Tidbit1 here; perhaps quest points are a factor? This could explain why similar levels have roughly similar charm totals, but with a few anomalies sprinkled in for good measure.

I'm level 96 with 72 summoning, my options are 34 gold, 22 green, 22 crimson, 29 blue. In the little chart above that's listed for combat 100-110, so that doesn't apply to me..It must be a combination of combat level and summoning level?

experience are based on formula's
I added the formula for slayer before but it was deleted. So basically you are doing it the hard way(collecting every information on every level which is very much work since its based on a variable of 3-138 and a variable of 1-99 together(for the summoning one).

The formula for slayer is the following

Slayer level^2/7.5=x x rounded down to nearest 45=xp so if my slayer level would be 85 this would be the formula 85*85=7225 7225/7.5=963,33333333 rounded down to the nearest 45 would result in 945xp. The formula's for the others I don't have the time to calculate but its probably lvl² / something other then 7.5. --j-g 16:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Very interesting, although I think the "nearest 45" is a bit off, it should be the lower 45. Here is your formula in pseudocode (more like C# actually), and it works for me, at least:

Math.Floor((Math.Pow(slayerLevel, 2) / 7.5f) / 45) * 45

Jard Y Dooku 18:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I am given to understand that the above formula does not work for slayer levels below 30 though. 18:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

If you have a slayer level lower then 30 please add you experience per zealj-g 15:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Level 1 slayer gives 7 exp per zeal. -Ieathands

Level 23 slayer gives 67 exp per zeal. Omg r u mine 18:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

The formula doesn't quite come out right for me, at 73 slayer, i get 920 points. 73^2/75=910.53333 (repeating). Maybe it could be the nearest 45 exp? HS Nailincoffn (Nailincoffin)

That formula is incorrect.

Please head to forum with the QC 72-73-253-58641141, and post your combat level, slayer level, and how much experience you get per zeal, and I'll try to compile a table ASAP. Prince Joob 03:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

New Info time
It's our favorite part of the week! If someone would be so kind as to edit what i put in concerning zeal point, i'd be appreciated. Also, where would the info concerning enchanting team capes to work like Ava's Attractor/Accumlater go? 24.163.76.254 23:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)carbonite 0 D= it logged me out >_<