RuneScape:Requests for adminship/Cashman286

Cashman286 (5)
I'm nominating Cashman286 for administrator because he is a veteran editor of the Wiki, making his first edit here on February 25th (7 months), he has rollback abilities, his block log is empty, has about 1,000 edits, and is pretty well known by many users here. 07:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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''I, Cashman286, accept this nomination for adminship. I have read the policies concerning administrators. I realize that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my powers because I realize that this is a serious offence and if the community finds that I have done so, my powers will be revoked and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban. Signed, [candidate's signature here].''

Discussion
Oppose - Seems to make obscure/non-direct decisions, some of which seen as in and. I believe an admin must be able to make decisions with appropriate reasoning to use such powers. Tarikochi 14:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Support Even though this is his fifth nomination, Cashman is a well known editor, and has been here for some time. Good luck on your nomination Cash! Arnie 14:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Of his 981 edits, 346 are to his own user page and 177 are user talk. That is over 53% of his edits. I know that "Edits do not make the editor", but I think an edtior should have to put some more work towards other areas besides his own Atlandy 14:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose: same reasons as all the others ones I've opposed before. Christine Talk 18:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh and 2 more links to go along with Tari's reasoning: and . Christine  Talk 18:55, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I really don't wish to be in this discussion, but Whiplash says that smear campaigns aren't allowed. Cashman286 talk 20:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Cash this isn't a smear campaign. She hasn't asked users to oppose you at least I don't think yet. But however I think Christine does have a prejudiced opinion towards Cashman and would say no even if he were doing good things and in someways I would like to make her vote invalid because she is obsessed with his negative rather then his positive. However Cash it would do you some good to not take it that the whole wiki is against you because this is your 5th nomination. Myself I would be happy to lend you my support as I think you are decent of adminship powers. But I currently need to see a thing or two before im absolutely satisfied. --Whiplash 20:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I am also not smearing, I just stated my opinion backed up by facts[[image:Scythe.PNG|25px]] Atlandy 20:33, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Never said you were Atlandy. --Whiplash 20:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't it important to look at the negative incidents involving a person for a RfA? If not, someone like Total Rune would be considered acceptable.  [[Image:Bowman_hat.png|12px]]Tarikochi 00:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

K then. What do you want to see? My userpage has lots of edits because I kinda have an obsession with letting everyone see my skills the way they really are, it's a compulsive thing I have. I admit I'd have far less total edits otherwise. But please, don't hold things against me. I only say things I say because it seems like some people's only purpose here now is to make other people hate me. And I'm talking about the links Tarikochi and Clv left. I was mad at people for what they have done to me. I have feelings too. Saying that, I'm off to a dinner party. Cashman286 talk 20:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't remember doing anything to you before opposing in this RfA. [[Image:Bowman_hat.png|12px]]Tarikochi 00:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I would like my Admins to be active, and contributing to the betterment of the wiki, not just to their personal page. As a editor, you rank 63rd, which, to me, shows me someone who doesn't make many edits.  An Admin should be active, not just wanting to become an admin becauce the belive that they deserve it.  Rememeber, you asked my opinion[[image:Scythe.PNG|25px]] Atlandy 20:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You're point is kinda mute though as amount of edits dosen't decide if you get to become an admin of not and he is quite active. --Whiplash 20:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * What are the traits needed to be a Admin? Active on the wiki?  Respected by others? If someone spends more than half their time updating their user page, should that person be an admin?  I feel an Admin would be more active in all areas of the wiki then the average person.  Perhaps creating pages, or editing existing ones, Reverting vandalism, using their vote to count for something, not on a whim.   Cash being 63rd in edits shows me that he isn't as active as you may see.. [[image:Scythe.PNG|25px]] Atlandy 23:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose, Cashman's mainspace edits lack both quality and quantity. In the past he has displayed a lack of maturity; as an editor as well as his methods of communicating with others, and his recent comments have demonstrated that little has changed. In addition, he takes personal offense at valid evidence against him. The links posted above demonstrate this lack of judgement and maturity as well; that's not the kind of attitude an admin should have. I feel that comments such as this shouldn't be ignored, given the content of the vote that he was giving assent to. -- 23:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Pretty convincing Mura. Though I don't see why this matters as he is not going for bureaucratship. --Whiplash 23:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It is relevant to adminship, as giving adminship to someone who make inappropriate decisions and easily react to those who simply opposes them is dangerous. [[Image:Bowman_hat.png|12px]]Tarikochi 00:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Response to Whip: 1) Its moot, not mute. 2) How dare you say my vote should be invalid? I've said at least once or twice that Cashman's votes should be invalid because he fails, every single time, to give a justifiable reason for his voting. Needless to say, that wouldn't pass, and why? Because he's 11 and has "feelings"? As if I do not? As if I am worth less than him when at least I can give reasons for my opinions? RuneScape:All editors are equal, are they not?
 * I agree completely with Atlandy and Mura's reasons. And if you want my reasons, go read the archives for the last 3 or 4 nominations he's had. WikiStats don't lie. IE won't display the page at the moment, but when I checked earlier, Cashman had like 47 mainspace edits in the last 30 days. I don't even want to know how many of those are probably redirects. I was just a few away from 700, and Atlandy has well over 600 (so you don't think I feel I'm better or anything). I don't call 47 mainspace edits active, sorry. And clearly maturity is an issue, with those diffs that have been posted. He only opposed because he felt "lonely" or because he himself was not supported. Christine Talk 00:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral: Took that userbox thing without my permission, direct copy. I'm tryin' to be as polite as I can :|. Maybe if you remove it or re-add it when you get my permission I will support. @(-_-)@ http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6032/bt3sw5.png Done whoozy! 02:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Response to Christine - Yes, you have 700+ mainspace edits in the last 30 days. You also just made 60 redirects to the articles of various seeds. I find it pretty hypocritical when you make comments about how Cashman doesn't contribute except to make redirects when most of your edits are redirects (and the 60 you just made were all capitals or plurals of the redirected article, which are kind of unnecessary). I think I'm going to go recreate the Tavvy redirect; it can't be any more useless than Asgarnian Seeds is... 02:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that this RFA is about Cashman, not Christine. <font style = "background:Darkred"> <font style  = "background:darkred"> Tes    <font style = "background:darkred"> Fan          16:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Extactly right Tes..There is no reason to flame Christine on Cash's nom. Gang, you should at least cast a vote.[[image:Scythe.PNG|25px]] Atlandy 16:55, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment to Gangsterls: As I said on whatever other page I just edited, I made those pages to prevent them from appearing as wanted pages in the future. You KNOW that I have made real edits to mainspace pages, so don't accuse me of only making redirects because it happens to be my latest project. Before I became an admin I DID make mainspace edits that were valuable, however now I'm doing stupid little projects that no one else (but maybe Atlandy) want to do. My edits aren't the ones that should be under scrutiny right now. <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=RoyalBlue>Christine <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=LimeGreen>Talk 19:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, when I brought up the comment about numbers, I was talking about how active he is, not the quality of his edits. Not then, at least. <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=RoyalBlue>Christine <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=LimeGreen>Talk 19:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I figured this nomination would turn out like this. Not trying to be a hippy, but stop this fighting and vote if you haven't. I know you, Christine, have a grudge on Cash but you have had your say. Maybe it would be better if your comments weren't flooding this nom. Thank you. Arnie 19:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

-.-. I knew this was a bad idea. And I'm not 11 anymore. I'm 12 =P. Cashman286 talk 20:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Support. I've been critical in the past, and I've opposed in all his past RfA's (I think I did, might have missed one). He makes poor decisions occasionally, we all do. However, I haven't seen him abuse the actual wiki itself, and as far as I've noticed he hasn't vandalised or done anything wrong since he's been here. He may not be extremely active in the sense that he edits all the time (have you seen my edit count? it's lousy) or that he contributes tons of awesome information, but he doesn't abuse the system, and the examples that have been given don't show me that he would "destroy" the wiki or any articles within it. As that's my real concern about giving people admin rights, I'm not too worried about Cashman. In fact, the examples given really don't seem to do anything to support either way. If we were to use similar examples in everyone else's nominations, I seriously doubt we'd have as many admins as we have at the moment, I'm sure we can find comments that have been made that would equal or excede the examples given about Cashman. Don't forget, adminship isn't that big of a step, it doesn't really give that much "power" per se, and it's not like he's going to do anything bad with it. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL!! 20:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Support. I've been saying that all along. Whiplash 21:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What is he even going to do with admin powers? He doesn't report vandalism so what will blocking rights do for him..? He doesn't mark pages for speedy deletion so what will deletion powers do for him..? I see no reason for him to have admin rights. And as for your comment evil dude, I only commented again because my name was brought up again. <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=RoyalBlue>Christine <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=LimeGreen>Talk 21:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, you're right, he probably won't use them much, but so what? Does it really matter?  Have you noticed how many of our sysops have left?  Some not long after they got admin "powers".  He's not going to abuse 'em, at least from what I've noticed, so it's not going to hurt to give them to him.  Sorry you two don't get along, and I don't have any problems with you Christine, but I'm going to take Cashman's side this time.  21:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Support Cashman286 has done many good things for our community, and Cashman286 is a person who would not abuse his powers as an admin, so I think he should be voted to the role of an admin. Beanball36

Weak Support - I would have found this decision easier if Cashman286 had done more significant mainspace edits, but he is an active member of the community and I believe he could contribute in an admin role. 08:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh oppose Give me a reason to support Ice 14:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Cash, you need to be careful with Beanball. Whether he's a friend or a sockpuppet (I've read all the stuff about him on talk pages, I know the arguments both ways), either way he really seems to show up only when you are getting elected for RfA and always in support of you. The few edits he's made here and there have been very minor in nature, he's not really an active part of this community, so unless something changes with him, I'm inclined to take back my vote of support. Don't forget, I'm one of the few batting for you, but if you start pulling things like this, getting friends to vote for you even though they aren't really a part of the community, I'm going to oppose your election. If I do oppose, I'll have some good reasons too, so don't make me get to that point. 15:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Support - Altghough some of you may disagree, Cash is the most deserving of admin status out of all users here, or at least in my opinion. He's been here much longer than some, he's very responsible, and he's a good person. 20:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment I know I may be showing up when Cash is elected, but I haven't had the time to edit more, and I pledge to start editing more.

Regardless of what you (Beanball) may or may not do in the future, the only thing I see is what has already been done (or not done). You aren't active in the community (except really when Cash is being elected), so I don't think you should have a vote. I wonder if Cash could get elected without outside friends helping him out. Again, I'm not likely to keep my vote as a support if he's trying to get extra friends to help him. So, make a choice soon (either keep your vote or revoke it) because I'm sure the elections will be finishing soon, and I'd like to put a permanant vote in. If you keep your vote I'll be opposing, and I'll give some good reasons for it, not just because Beanball voted. If you revoke it, I'll keep fighting for Cash. Your choice. 14:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment OK, I revoked my vote, but don't think I don't want Cash to be an admin.


 * Comment. I would have had the same problem with someone who just showed up to oppose Cash, we need the active users to be the ones who vote.  I have no problem with you voting at a later time, after you've edited some or been active on the site, but I couldn't agree with it this time, sorry.  I know there are others out there who've been thinking the same thing too, so hopefully Cash might get some more support now, when he's not relying on you.  Again, I don't see that Cash would abuse the abilities that admins have, whether he'll use them or not I don't know, but I don't think it would hurt to give him them at this time.  20:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Admin rights shouldn't be given out just for the sake of giving them out though. <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=RoyalBlue>Christine <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=LimeGreen>Talk 20:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Taken from [here], a quote by Jimmy Wales (founder of Wikipedia):


 * "I just wanted to say that becoming a sysop is *not a big deal*. I think perhaps I'll go through semi-willy-nilly and make a bunch of people who have been around for awhile sysops. I want to dispel the aura of "authority" around the position. It's merely a technical matter that the powers given to sysops are not given out to everyone. I don't like that there's the apparent feeling here that being granted sysop status is a really special thing."

That almost sounds like what he was saying Christine. Please keep those words in mind everyone! 22:03, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Tirrian, threatening Beanball with your vote for Cashman isn't going to help, it's simply a hostage situation. If Beanball wants to vote for Cashman, he's welcome to, and although you have all the right to withdraw your vote, it's not doing any good to threaten an innocent person. 14:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh, doesn't matter. I phailed anyway =(. Cashman286 talk 14:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Dude, Ilyas, he's not holding a gun to his head. <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=RoyalBlue>Christine <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=LimeGreen>Talk 14:58, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Damn, edit conflict. Anyways, I need to shorten this. Cash, don't look at it that way. And if you fail, you're not alone. Gang's ship sunk right before your nom opened and mine might sink too. 14:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious I will fail. I have 6 supports and 5 opposes. That's just over 50%. I need 70% to be sysoped, so either a bunch of people would need to change votes, or a flood of new users would need to support. It's unlikely. Not that I care...I expected things would end up like this. Cashman286 talk 15:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well new users can't vote. <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=RoyalBlue>Christine <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=LimeGreen>Talk 16:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Good point. So that only would leave it up to everyone else. Cashman286 talk 18:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Support. First off, I had almost as many user edits as main edits when I was sysopped, so I see no reason that this should hurt him. Secondly, Cash, don't hunt and be a pessimist, I've talked to you on RS about that. Also, I'm wondering if my vote even counts because I'm hardly here much with the finicky internet. But anyways, I think fights are inevitable in a place like this, where a lot of us are grouped together. I won't name names, but two other sysop candidates had a fight similar to Cashman's fight. I don't think the fight got out of hand, it was handled and it's fine (I think) now. Finally, I don't know whether or not Bean is a sock, but I've seen them on in the same world, they seem to have two completely different personas and I think that would be challenging. That's all. 18:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)