Talk:Mahjarrat

New Quest
A new quest about mahjarrat is coming out tommorrow according to mod emilee( this can be found under future events ->no game update today sticky)" Hi guys,

Unfortunately, due to some last minute issues, there will not be a game update today. However, we do plan to rectify these issues so that we can update as soon as possible tomorrow.

Please accept our apologies and we hope that you won't have to wait much longer for the next installment of the Mahjarrat quest series. ;)

In order to get a better insight in to how we organise game updates, we suggest that you read our Upload Manager's (Mod Nexus) blog which can be found here. " XXstaticXX 03:15, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

General Khazard?
The entry listing Gen. Khazard as a Mahjarrat needs more detail. I thought he was just a human who was resurrected after he was killed? Sol Levante 12:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Other Mahjarrat
Zamorak is a mahjarrat, and i spoke with a jagex mod who says it is likely that Saradomin came from the planet of the Mahjarrats, there are also other possible mahjarrats. is Iban also count as mahjarrat? Since he probably is the son of Zamorak.Felinoel 00:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Iban's status as "Son of Zamorak" is either the result of his delusions or only used in the metaphorical sense. I'm certain that he is not literally Zamorak's son. 02:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thammaron
Thammaron is not a Mahjarrat as:
 * There is no mention of him being a Mahjarrat anywhere.
 * He's an ELDER-DEMON (not interchangeable with Mahjarrat).
 * He's dead:
 * Mahjarrat are (technically) immortal and
 * You can clearly see his corpse during the Golem quest.

Just clarifying Chaoticar 09:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Mahjarrat are not immortal. At least, not ALL of them are. They are very, very, very...resilient.

Kang227 14:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Mahjarrat are mortal.
This is clearly stated in Postbag from the Hedge issue 20, aswell as Sliske being a Mahjarrat. Another interesting thing to point out is that Saradomin is probably from Freneskae aswell, but that doesn't make him a Mahjarrat, at all.
 * Yeah, but the only currently known way to kill a Mahjarrat is the Ritual. Otherwise, they can be resurrected. --Muhahaa 19:18, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

good stuff
I would love to see a quest rich in rs history, which incorporates these guys, the barrows brothers and maybe some other major figures, perhaps resulting in a more powerful spellbook, i always wanted to know what happened to some of these guys after desert treasure. 12:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

New Runescape poll
The new Runescape poll asks a question about who are Mahjarrat, and apparently Zamorak isn't one of them. Is that an error on Jagex's part or the Wiki's? Iner22 18:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Either Jagex's part, or how they chose to interpret the question. Zamorak was indeed a mortal Mahjarrat at one point in time, but he is now a god.  Whether or not he is still a Mahjarrat is completely up to you. Dtm142 21:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Mahjarrat is a species, god is a rank. Becoming a god doesn't remove the species. --Muhahaa 19:13, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Red mahjarrat???
I just saw a guy sitting in the audience. He looks like a mahjarrat, only red?

File:Rode_mahjarrat.PNG

--Darth Stefan 12:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)Darth Stefan

He's probably just human... >< 87.80.83.70


 * The three guys in the audience seem to be human representatives of the three main gods - Saradomin, Guthix and Zamorak. Most Mahjarrat seem to have a skeletal (or "lich") form (see File:Lucien chathead.png and File:Lucien meet.png). 19:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Skulls
Zemouregal and Lucien both have skull(ish) faces. Are they masks or their actual faces? 23:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My guess is that they used to have humanoid forms (not necessarily true human, like Akthanakos has a camal's head), but have since used spells to bind their intellect to their undead body (especially Lucien as he's a necromancer). Also known as a Lich. Also, I can't help but look at the robed lucien and think of a nazgul (from Lord of the Rings), lol. 23:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Most Powerful Mahjarrat
Hey just wanted to know who you think is the most powerful Mahjjarat 00:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

If you read the runescape history you would know it is zamorak because he was the general to zaros, even though some called him the pretender. Almost each mahjarrat has a unique skill that she/he excels in.
 * Other generals to Zaros were also Mahjarrat (e.g. Azzandra). In my opinion it's Lucien (after While Guthix Sleeps); he's one of the most powerful mahjarrat anyway (he's healed himself from near death, maybe a few times). During/After WGS he has possession of two of the most powerful artifacts in Gielinor: the Staff of Armadyl (which banished Zaros and made Zamorak a god (by a fluke IMO, but whatever)), and the Stone of Jas (Which was used by Jas to create Gielinor, by Guthix to shape Gielinor, and also by Saradomin at some point). Hence, he has uber power. Plus he killed Hazelmere =( 15:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I will kill him because he killed Hazelmere and Duradel. 19 March 2009


 * Please note that talk pages are for discussion of ways to improve the article and not generalized topic chatter . If you wish to continue this topic, please use the forums.-- 00:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Hazelmere is dead, did you notice he seemed to 'die' in a different way to all the others, I think he is alive within the spirit tree networrk, the ardi guatma or something..

Found on the Forums
This was copied from the forums. [http://forum.runescape.com/forums.ws?16,17,600,58425695,goto,12 Here, is the page. The post is the fourth down.]

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"Yksrekna ecapsed eth oidv? Eh saw a rtega mharrtjaa how eddraken eth kises ithw obldo."

But this is just a really bizzare answer, unless we consider that each word is actually part of a word-to-word anagram which can be solved by readjusting the letters to form words to complete a sentence. But what of "Yksrekna"? Are we to assume that is the true name of the Mahjarrat in question? If the anagram word-to-word was to be followed through we'd get a number in possibilities. However, if you look at other possible crytographs you'll find the following word "Syrekkan", which is directly an anagram of Yksrekna. So therefore:

"Syrekkan escaped the void? He was a great mahjarrat who darkened the skies with blood."

was a Lord of the Wolves and Lycanthropes in ancient Norse mythology, meaning the Wolf in Azzanadra's prison could be representative of his presence. Considering he is in Azzanadra's prison, it is liekyl he was or is a follower of Zaros.

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Not sure if that was appropriate info for here, but it seemed like it could be noted. =| SilverStike/ExoMalakai

it's not true. vanagew just plays an idiot. Try to change the message of Ce, it was different amount of letters, so not an anagram. When asked about decoding algorythm, he said nothing. Also, he recalls it being Nakkenrys from mithology. No results on Google... So, probably false... The same thread recalls Ug-nok, Devuorer of Worlds. strange name for a mahjarrat... Na*kenrys reversed that is "Syrekkan", isn't it strange once You reverse it, one n disappears=p? Kiel66 10:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In my opinion.. just another fraud. 11:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Amascut
Is Amascut a mahjarrat? --88.112.228.89 15:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, she's one of the desert gods.-- 15:26, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * indeed shes the desert god of distruction, but she wears the marks of the ancient Mahjarrat. So she's related to a Mahjarrat. Vannaka and the oracle (dragon slayer quest) also wear these marks, there is a discusion around is these are related to a mahjarrat or these are mahjarrat in own person.

Individual Chracter Pages??
Why are all the character pages of the lesser known mahjarrat being re-directed here? Do they not deserve their own character pages? We have character pages on every white knight, but dont redirect them to the white knight organisation page, and there are character pages on every gnome involved in the Gnome restaurant minigame, most of which only have one paragraph of information, yet the primary antagonists on Gielinor do not deserve character pages? Gr33nday345 20:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Psycho Robot redirected them, as he states here (and also in the edit histories...). You could ask him why and/or open a YG thread/VfU (even though they were technically not deleted) about it. 20:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The only reason I redirected any here was because they were exact duplicates of what information was already on here. However that was before Curse of Arrav came out, and now there's more information available, so they could be moved back to their old pages should any editor want to do so. Just make sure you don't simply copy/paste the summaries here into the new articles and leave it at that. Expand a bit! 21:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Iban and Lucien's daughter - crystal ball
Iban is confirmed to be Zamorak's son in God Letters. Being half blood (i.e. human mother, mahjarrat father) can be a reason for the exclusion of both Lucien's daughter and Zamorak's son from Zemouregal's notes. There is no mention that a half blood mahjarrat can't join Kinshra.

According to the RS:NOT rule both should be removed from the article.

If nobody responds to this message, I'll remove Lucien's daughter from the article or readd Iban. --Muhahaa 20:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Please post the issue number and a quote of the relevant text, as the only mention of Iban I remember doesn't seem to indicate that he was a biological son.-- 20:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I still say "My daughter is more of a hero than you" is nothing more than an expression...  20:46, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * , . Basically, the mahjarratness of Lucien's daughter is as speculative as Iban's. According to Zemouregal's notes they can't be full blooded mahjarrats, otherwise they would be on the list (and Enakhra wouldn't be the only female mahjarrat). Halfbloodedness is possible but speculative. Both should be included or both should be removed. For Lucien's daughter., I think Betty is the best candidate. She wears Pendant of lucien. --Muhahaa 09:16, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Iban is Zamorak's son quotes
Letter 15

"Dear Zamorak,

You've got a kid named Iban. Who's your wife?"

-Katjandra

"I'm not married. If you're asking who his mother is, I can't remember. The ladies love Zamorak, and its kind of hard to keep track of them all sometimes."

Letter 23

"2. Is Iban really your son? Or is he some lunatic that thinks he is your son?" -Jamesco(Zamorak WINE STEALER) "2) Either. Both. Does it really matter where the blood came from, as long as it is still mine in thought and deed?" --Muhahaa 11:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Number one, God letters are from years ago. Jagex has since changed their minds about a number of things. For example, originally Dragon equipment was said to originate from Freneskae. Jukat, the fairy who sold the Dragon longsword and Dragon dagger after Lost City said they came "straight from Freneskae", however now Jagex has abandoned that idea and are going with the Dragonkin as the creator of Dragon equipment. Jagex might have considered making Iban his literal son, however abandoned the idea because it really is quite a strange thing to have...


 * Second, Zamorak is an arrogant blowhard. He would likely rub his powerful son in everyone's face if he really were his son. Additionally, he never actually says that Iban even is his son. In the first quote you provided, he says "who his mother is". He doesn't say that he is the father. He wasn't even asked if he was. Someone just blurted "You've got a kid" at him. One would assume that he would deny it if it were not true, but again, Zamorak is fiendish and would likely never voluntarily give out information.


 * In the second quote he equivocates his answer. As I said previously he's an arrogant blowhard, and if a powerful kid such as Iban really were his son, he would announce it to the world, not dodge the question like a wimp. As such, I think Iban is NOT Zamorak's literal son, but Zamorak kind of wishes he was, so he answers the question in a very ambiguous manner. 16:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, Lucien's daughter removed for RS:NOT. --Muhahaa 10:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And moved under Lucien, where it more properly belongs. (As I have said before, inclusion of Lucien's daugher is as speculative as Iban's). --Muhahaa 10:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Iban's mother (figuratively) is Kardia.
 * Iban's mother (figuratively) is Kardia.

Nomad
If I read the page right, it said that Bilrach is actually Nomad. Can someone confirm this? --Darth Stefan (Talk) 19:59, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * No he isn't; Bilrach has been in Daemonheim for the past few centuries according to his chronicle (released with the Dungeoneering skill).

Lich Formes
Says on the page that Enakhra and Akthannakos have yet to be seen in lich form. I clearly remember them changing to this forme at the end of the quest. View their pages, they even have screenshots of this.
 * You're right. O.O -- 02:35, January 15, 2010 (UTC)