User talk:Calebchiam/Archive8

SPAM'D!!
Sorry. I take after Frede and Powers, they're a bad influence on me. -- 15:01, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine. For your trouble, you get a donut, because donuts own better than brownies and cookies:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/recipes/images/0/0f/Doughnut.jpg


 * -- 15:07, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Block
Haha. I was just about to block that IP before I go off. You beat me by just one minute. That IP made me laugh when he keeps saying 2th anniversary instead of 2nd anniversary. 12:49, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I can try. We should ask Jedi also if he can come. He helped me when I went on my first torm demon trip (Well, A mass). 12:55, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Dunno, it's been a while. Well, I know we need some prayer potions, sharks, super set/range potion, a second weapon (range or melee depending on your first weapon), teleports, sapphire lantern, BoB with good food, and I think that's it. You can ask Jedi for more (helpful) tips than the ones I just got at the top of my head. He goes (even hosts) Tormented Demon masses a lot. 13:04, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

So.. why?
Hey there! :)

A quick note to ask why did you delete the image of my player on my user page? I'm new to Wiki and don't really know that much about the editing and all that but I know many users, including yourself have pictures of your player.. so why can't I?

Thanks, Jonny Laws.

About last post...
Woops, forgot signature, sorry :(

Edit: I think I just sorted it all out, thanks! :)

Jonny Laws 11:40, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Alerting me that I had done something wrong was that which had helped :)

--Jonny Laws 11:52, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

hi
hi dude, i see ur in singapore just like me lololol

RE: Template:Infobox Bonuses
Actually, you could resize the image (by specifying a size), just like how you would resize a normal image. For example, for File:Rangecape.png, you could use this:
 * image  = Rangecape.png|175px
 * caption = caption

This translates to:

For an example, see the Flowers article. The image is the infobox was too big, so I resized it. I'll update the template documentation... so that people would know that it is possible to resize the image in the infobox. 14:17, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Range Cape Image
Sure, I'll give it a shot, but it might not be as close at it was in that picture.

Redirects
Why not? A lot of people I know spell "Menaphite robes" with the apostrophe before the S. 12:45, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Benefit of the doubt? What did you think I was doing when I created the page? 12:54, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't meant in a threatening way, on the contrary, it was meant in a humorous way . 13:02, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Twas the question marks. 13:11, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

RE:Template:Talk page
I saw it on a discussion page and thought I needed to. If you want me to stop, then I will. 14:09, September 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I can't remember, but I'll stick with which articles it mentioned in the WantedPages page. Sorry for the inconveniance. ^_^ 14:12, September 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, sorry. I'm just tired, I guess I'll get some sleep. Cheers. 14:16, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Respectively
What's the point of adding that to the end of a lot of sentences I've read throughout articles on this Wiki? It seems repetitive and unnecessary. 74.140.115.170 11:22, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Revert
Mis-click >.< my bad. 11:59, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Language
I'm curious, is English your first language? 10:18, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you speak both of them to the same degree?, I.E Can you speak English as well as Chinese. 10:24, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Community discussion
None of this comment is aiming to change your mind about my RFA, nor meant at you.

I have a few reasons why I don't participate in the yew grove often:


 * Most of the subjects floating around in there, really don't have anything to do with me and my editing regime.
 * I like to leave certain yew grove subjects to the people who are experienced in yew grove procedure & protocol.
 * Many times the discussion can get heated, and I don't like getting yelled at.
 * On many occasion the yew grove discussion can be crowded.
 * "Serenity prevails" - I don't like crossing peoples views and ideas.

Again, none of that was made against you, I was just clearing up on the subject - 13:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I am prepared to face trolls/vandals, I have been yelled at many a time on RuneScape, I just ignore it. 13:42, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Removing images before nomming for speedy delete
Maybe I don't understand how the delete function works, but I don't remove images from pages before nomming them for speedy delete because I find that dishonest... Hypothetically I could remove any image from its articles then nominate it for speedy delete under the guise of "unused image". I leave the image in the article where they're found so you can actually see where/why its used before judging whether to delete it or not... Is there a way to see what pages USED to contain an image? And what is the meaning of life? 15:18, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Checkuser
I was immediately suspicious as soon as I saw the account names. Here is the sockpuppet's info (here) and compare with the other's info (here). Same ISP, same location, same IP range, same user. I can say the second IP very likely belongs to Mybff and unsurprisingly is a countinuation of his trolling behaviour. -- 20:17, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Random
I thought I should place this here. :) 12:37, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

RE: RS:FIMG
Since we already insist that "All images must be taken in HD graphics." in RS:IMP, I don't think that criteria is necessary. When I see an beautiful image taken in SD graphics, I would like to see it being nominated, rather than it being ignored just because we had this criteria. And... some users only use SD to play, so it might be a disservice to those users if they wanted to nominate their images.

Besides, we could easily replace SD images through the "Nominations for replacement" process. 18:24, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Zaff image
Well I nominated it before I learned of the whole zaff glitch. Also the fact that there was so much advertising about who found it made me suspicious. Its all sorted out though, and I guess the image could stay, although its still a pretty bad image. 05:12, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Holidays
You have to wait 30 days for the holidays?? Unlucky, I have only 6 days left! Are you jealous much?? 06:54, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * 3 Weeks. It should actually only be 2 weeks, but by freak chance all my exams in my exam week are on during the first week so I don't have to go to school for the second week. 06:59, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Woah! I really don't know what to say but Woah! 07:04, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have all your holidays for the whole year at once or something?? 07:10, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. I wish that I was you for the next 2.5 months 07:15, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Marimbo
That information used to be on the page. Seeing as how the page needs info, I thought that I should put this back in. Being f2p, I have no way to conferm that it is true as I am unable to do that monkey quest. I will ask somebody who did the quest what the answer is... 10:51, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Questions
"First of all, is it alright to close a discussion if you are the original proposer (or have voted on the discussion) if there has been unanimous agreement between editors for the proposal to move forward? Also, in a situation like this, when the designated amount of time for the nomination to last is up, and there is no obvious consensus, is it alright to do as I did and leave a notice of intent?"
 * If the discussion is unanimous, then it's fine to close the proposal. Now if the discussion has no visible consensus, then the original poster has a massive conflict of interest. As to having simply given your opinions, depending on how involved you are, there may very little conflict or you may be too involved to make any administrative decisions on the subject (there is a difference between simply voicing an opinion and then leaving and being an active supporter/debater in the argument). Should you find that you are too involved and see the discussion is going nowhere after more than ample time and wish to leave a notice of intent to help move it along... simply, don't. Find a neutral administrator and propse your intentions to them, if they agree, they'll do it, and if they don't, then the discourse should continue until another neutral admin feels the same and places a notice of intent or the discussion hammers it self out. It's best to remain close enough to understand the general back in forth while it happens while being far enough that detaching yourself from your views to participate is a nonissue.

"Secondly, if bureaucrats are to remain impartial and fair during discussions, does this mean that they should not/refrain from voting in a discussion? Or does this mean that they may participate in the discussion, but in turn cannot close the discussion? This ties in with my first query."
 * Firstly, voting is used on a limited number of processes so we'll simply substitute this term for "views/opinion". Bureaucrats are not exactly know for our vocality, often times I would not be surprised if the other bureaucrat have restrained themselves in the interests of the community, however, that does not mean we are unable to offer an opinion. Should we feel the need to, we will become involved, however, we won't close the discussion unless it is unanimous or if we can't avoid it. Keep in mind that there is a major difference between bureaucrats and administrators in that bureaucrats are for the most part governed by few additional rules, we mostly work on a "honour system" if you will. Which makes it all the more important that bureaucrats are seasoned (and flavourful ;)) administrators with a firm grasp on not only the wording of our policies, but the spirit of them. If Jimbo forbid, a dishonst or volatile personality would become a bureaucrat, they could wreak untold amounts of damage. Damage to the wiki itself can always be repaired, however, a lose in the trust among community members could take years to fix until the next editing generation slowly replaced the previous and slowly restored the trust that was lost.

"Thirdly, quoting RS:CONSENSUS: While there are no magic numbers for "how much is enough", it is generally accepted that rough consensus has been achieved if about 70% agree on the issue. Could you explain how this doesn't violate RS:NOT (Decisions should never be made simply on the basis of majority vote.) I believe I'm missing something crucial here, but I'm not sure what it is. Would a discussion with 80% of voters being supporters and 20% of voters being opposers qualify as a rough consensus if the opposers had valid reasons?"
 * Rough consensus is only to be invoked after the discussion has run its course, is winding down, and the agruments of the opposers discussed and given due weight, keep in mind there will always be opposers and trying to get every last opinion in synch will result in deadlock. Also keep in mind that on a case to case basis each discussion must be examined in a different light, a new policy for instance, should require more support than the idea of a newspaper or marketplace. The valid reasons themselves are also individualistic, some arguments are more damning than others to a proposal.

"Finally, is there a specific time frame/guideline to how long a proposal on the Yew Grove should last? Does this differ from discussion from discussion depending on its "magnitude"? "
 * A good rule of thumb is to allow about two weeks should the discussion be viable. The larger and more complex a discussion, the longer it will be as there will be more to discuss. Typically, discussions should be closed either after they've had time to reach unanimity or discussion has died down and a consensus can be reached with what's already there. Of course there are times that a helping hand has been applied to hurry matters along, noitces of intent for example.-- 21:59, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
I agree. It seems I have to be careful with who I welcome. 13:00, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

RE:File:Rune pickaxe 09092009.PNG
K I made it go away now. -- 10:22, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Archive
Can you archive this? You know it better than I do, and I'm not entirely sure what to say when I archive it. 11:45, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha. "Hi D4K, per the discussion, you are admonished to avoid using personal attacks, intimidation, and offensive language in the clan chat. He is warned that continuing to do so may result in loss of the lieutenant ranking. 11:53, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Countdown to 99
I might be out this week. My parents are finally updating my computer's performance, but for that to happen, I can't play for a week. :( 02:17, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Woo. Last minute changes. My mom found one of her friends to help me update my computer. I just gotta wait a week for parts to arrive. And on another thing. Your edit count is 12,345. o.O 08:09, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Returning?
Maybe. Probably. Hopefully. I want to, but I have a lot of other things I'm committed to. And my membership was cancelled Thanks for the welcome, though. Hopefully I'll be around more often. Cheers, 09:12, September 27, 2009 (UTC) PS - Congrats on adminship while I was gone!


 * Hey, do you know what the wiki's policy is on audio files? I am starting to see some audio files pop up. Nothing is included in the media policy. A user has created an article about a piece of music, and then included the actual piece (in midi form) in the article. Are we going to have an article for each piece? What's your opinion/knowledge? Cheers, 10:25, September 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * OK thanks. Derilith made a comment, stating that the music, even samples, are violations. Maybe we should revive the discussion, as the wiki don't want copyvios on our hands. 11:02, September 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll bring it up in a comment on Forum:Image Policy Follow-up. Also, check the bottom of Forum:Logo and Theme design feedback. Thanks, 11:24, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

1999
I found this information on a really strange way (srry, i'm dutch):


 * Someone played DeviousMUD and copied the updates to his page
 * His pages got of internet
 * Someone found it by webhistorypages and copied to his page
 * His page got also of the internet
 * Someone else found that page by webhistorypages and copied it to a forum
 * The page got deleted
 * Someone else found in in webhistory
 * I found it on a forum

--Zorak plorak 10:21, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna try to explain: There's a change this old DeviousMUD site has been longer on-line then the game, so the updates on the game were also on this site. Like: How far are we now? Hold it up to date. So the updates were online, the game not. Theres also a second reason that could explain this... How we know that DeviousMUD (The game) existed only one week in March 1999?

--Zorak plorak 11:22, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

I'll try to find it... could be difficult...

--Zorak plorak 11:31, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

It was somewhere here...  --Zorak plorak 11:35, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

W00T! FOUND IT!!!!!!!

[http://www.zybez.net/community/lofiversion/index.php?t705836.html This is the link! (zybez)]

--Zorak plorak 11:39, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't Mind. I hope we know much more about DeviousMUD now, take a look at This Page for the Dutch wikiapage about DeviousMud. (I'm dutch)

Historical Image
Sorry about tagging the historical image as standered detail. I should have read what it said on the page rather then the image itself. Thanks for noticing and fixing it! 11:43, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Adminship
I would accept nomination if offered and I am against me requesting to be nominated and self nomination. I have been here almost 11 months and have had various uses for having adminship, such as handling Admin Requests, some wiki maintenance, editing protected templates, stopping vandalism during times of less admin activity(not a large problem anymore), to help out on IRC, which until a week or so had no admins and was only home to spammers and insulting of other users, changing site CSS/JS, and during the the times of mass vandal attacks I wished to be able to undo the damage, but site protect prevented me from doing that. I know what the damage these tools can do and the consequences for abusing are. I have seen these tools and used them for testing on my wiki(not TehKittyCat Wiki, but the test wiki I run on my computer). I would Assume good faith and I view all editors are equal. Adminship does not make you better or higher than other users, it only serves to provide with tools to help the wiki. I view some of my behavior as less than perfect, but I work to learn from my mistakes and the mistakes of others. I do not have any big achievements on the wiki, I focus primarily on discussions, wiki maintenance, small stuff, welcoming users and watching RC when I am not busy. The only pages I have created are a few templates and I put up patch notes, news, and blog entries when I see they have not yet been added. I have had a bot on the wiki for almost 9 months and I have immediately fixed any harm it has caused and I watch to make sure it does not do harm. I feel I could and would be able to do more with the great responsibility that is not to be taken lightly of adminship, as such I, TehKittyCat accept this nomination. I will not advertise this request in anyway. - 13:12, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * wow, I really like how he put that. No big deal and it would benefit the wiki. I will support this guy.--Degenret01 13:16, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Male. For some reason I have that issue a lot, lol. -  13:21, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * 4 RFA's open in one time. A new record? I'll support anyway. . 13:27, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll support him And it's not a record, I think there was like 7 applications at once. That sparked a big discussion on the Yew Grove.  13:32, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like my talkpage is slightly more active than usual . Here's the nomination, let's start supporting  13:38, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

RE:Images in infobox
Ok I got it sorry. -- 09:16, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Random
PENGUIN TIME: EDIT:Found a better version. WWTDD? 13:45, September 28, 2009 (UTC) WWTDD? 13:51, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty music doesn't need to make sense. WWTDD? 13:57, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Wow!
Man! When you say you look at their contributions, you really really do look at their contributions. And if you don't know what I mean by that, I'm saying that you carefully observe/review it, instead of some users (like me) who just look at their contributions that look out of the ordinary! 09:05, September 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * !@!@#!^!@$^ Stop beating me! 09:08, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha! It's a talk page. It's my specialty. ;) 09:10, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

HAHA! He's following me! >.< 12:58, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

RfA boom! +1 more person. 05:13, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Transparency
Yeah, my computer screwed up, I didn't notice it until I tried to add transparency to another image... At least the backgrounds white now, so it'll be easier to make transparent. 22:09, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

double 99 party
i never been to one put my name down please upto 11pm UK time


 * I'm not gonna put a new header for such a small sentence. Come on Freenode IRC so we can chat.  07:19, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

&nbsp
While editing the Magic tree article, I noticed a large amounts of &nbsps mainly in unnecessary places, are they all necessary? 11:45, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * I just find it distracting while editing. 11:54, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Deleted too much
The infallible Caleb is no longer infallible. Good too see that you can make mistakes too. 07:56, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Really?? I have never noticed you make one before  08:00, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * That is the first time that I have ever been vandalised. Amazing how perceptive he was, apparently he could tell that I was a fat emo kid, looking for a fat girlfriend just from looking at my username.  08:16, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was busy trolling Soldier. 08:21, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Yer time-list
Oh no! Did you forget to invite Hapi, or don't you want a Pith Helmet on your party? . 14:05, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

God is not a species
God is not a species nor a race. Zamorak is a Mahjarrat, Guthix's species is unknown. Saradomin's species is most likely Icyene, but that's just speculation. God is rather a rank, like sergeant, lieutenant, general, king or president.

Saying that Zamorak was formerly a Mahjarrat is like saying that Jagex's CEO Mark Gerhard was formerly a human. He is still a human and Zamorak is still a Mahjarrat. --Muhahaa 18:10, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Assistance
I've fixed the table in the Graphical improvements article. The problem was there were too many ! and | characters. When starting a new column cell, it just needs one if at the start of the line, or two if separating from a previous one on the same source line (if specifying multiple column cells in the same source line). The additional symbols was causing extra "empty" cells to be added to the table. 08:37, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I left an empty cell for the old Tok-Xil character thst still needs adding. I was just wondering, would the table look better if layed out listing "Before" and "After" as the column sub-headings too. For example:
 * {| class="wikitable"

! ColSpan="2" | Fire giant ! ColSpan="2" | Moss giant ! ColSpan="2" | Lesser demon ! ColSpan="2" | Hobgoblin ! Before !! After ! Before !! After ! Before !! After ! Before !! After What do you think? 08:55, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fire_giant.png]]
 * Mossgiantold1.PNG]]
 * Lesserdemonold.PNG]]
 * Hob-Goblin.gif || Hobgoblin.png
 * }
 * }

Black dragon
Hey. I remembered us having a black dragon with the old graphics, but it is a low quality one. Is this ok? 11:04, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Green dragon now
So...Would you consider elvarg and green dragon to look exactly the same? I think they are. Even the name of the image is like made for green dragon also. "Classic green dragon". 12:40, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * So, I think you should like also make a section on that graphical improvement thingy for green dragon then. I would do it, but I was never really good at tables. I need like 5 minutes of staring at the page to get it right. :S 12:44, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Sulla
Both were clever, succesful generals. Also, Gaius is also a Roman name, so Lord Sulla is probably also based on the Roman Sulla. 13:07, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * About the RS:ER - I am indeed. By the way, I meant this Gaius, not the other one. 13:09, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I'll readd it. I don't think 'Sulla' is just some random name they came up with. And thanks for the archiving  16:24, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Images
I would like to add more, but most of them are taken from the Knowledge Base (the Ogres and Tzhaar). Is this a problem? I hope not. And I uploaded HD images because their size matches the SD images. . 13:16, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

RE:small thing
I put the under construction template there so other users are warned that they may edit conflict, you have seen the amount of edits a page receives when just created, so I can't understand why it is "irking" you, this is for the convenience of other editors, not just a way for me to get more edit count. 12:10, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Caleb, I'm not about to be scolded for helping. 12:18, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe to avoid the impression of scolding you shouldn't use sentences like "that's an extremely lazy way of editing", and in no way will I be taking your advice on board. End-of-discussion. 12:23, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * I want to apologise for my behaviour in the above comments, your message came at a stressful time, as I was trying to protect my sister from this 17 year old who kept trying to speak with her. I also had about 20 edits made to my talk page and I was getting sick of clicking "You have new messages" link. Once again, I'm sorry. 10:19, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

re: vial
Hi, Caleb. You're right: I'm doing these quests. Kind of wished I hadn't started them, though. I believe the two vials are not the same. They are called different names in the quests, and if you look at the images of them, one has a bit of green and burgundy on its top, and one has brown. 13:03, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, Caleb, I took a screenshot a few days ago of the vial from Lunar Diplomacy and just checked it, and it still has the green and burgundy on top:

http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy180/Horsehead789/greenandburgundy.png


 * It is called a special vial in that quest. In Dream Mentor, it is called the dream vial. 13:19, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think we already have both? We have Vial (Lunar Diplomacy), which is the vial from Lunar Diplomacy. And that is linked from the Lunar Diplomacy quest. 13:31, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I just checked a few other guides, and they call it special vial too:
 * http://www.runehq.com/guide.php?type=quest&id=0758
 * http://www.zybez.net/quests.php?id=114
 * How do we change the name? 13:44, October 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool. Thank you, Caleb. 13:53, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

IP address 202.78.103.82
, Yes the IP may have added a few numbers, but don't you think a GEMW2 warning should have sufficed instead of blocking the IP address; who had never had a vandalism edit before that. After conferring with Evil Yanks, he also agreed that the IP address 202.78.103.82 should have been warned. Thus, I will be unblocking IP address 202.78.103.82, and shall leave him a warning instead. 11:31, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that you disagree Caleb. 11:40, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * If IP address 202.78.103.82 vandalises again, you will have my full support to block him. This entire affair is about your non-tolerance with IP addresses. 11:45, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I will not retract my statement. 11:50, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Please use the  if you want to remove/rephrase a sentence.  12:07, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * If you recollect, I have been notifying you of this issue multiple times on RuneScape, You haven't listened to me and taken my advice, I really, really do not want to argue, this started off as a Critique of your work, all this is showing is that you can't handle criticism, if you wish to carry this on, I'll be on RS for the next 15 minutes. We can talk there. 12:23, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This is flame-baiting, defamatory, and deliberately avoiding the issue. 12:25, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no rule saying I have to speak with you, I've resigned this discussion. Once again, you win. 10:56, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I apologise and regret my decision concerning your blocking judgement. This entire thing should have never happened. 06:13, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sigh*- Yes, I retract my statement, now can things go back to normal? 06:22, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Warning more
I notice that you will normally block a user if they do any obvious vandalism. I think that this gives you, and the wiki in extension, the image of being quiet heavy handed and unwelcoming to new users.

I feel a warning given to the user seems to get across the message that what they did was wrong just as well as a block would, while giving the user a second chance straight away in case they want to become a constructive member of the wiki. I think that over 90% of the time that I warn a user, they wont vandalise again. Since it takes more energy for me to block a user then warn them, I might even save time by warning them. 11:34, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * I really have to go now, but I can reply tomorrow. 11:47, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * I was not meant to be accusing you of anything, but I can see how it came out that way. I don't want to go all hostile and stand-offish like you have with another user. I am not trying to completely change the way that you edit, I just feel that you overuse the block option. I myself have blocked users without a warning, though that has only been for extreme swearing/racism or a vandalism spree across many pages. I am not trying to shape you into being like me, difference is good.


 * The Forum Moderators on the official forums are a good example of warning players. They only ever use a temp block as a last resort, using it when the ip has backed himself into a corner and left them no choice. Even though the block is not in open view like it is on the wiki (there is no block log), they are still hesitant to block users since this gives Jagex a harsh image. While it may be the more difficult option it is also the friendler option, showing that they are willing to give second chances straight away and that they have not chosen the possible lazy way out.


 * I can't think of any real advantages of blocking straight away. If they wanted to harm the wiki and continue vandalising, then they can easily be blocked and have their edits rollbacked. Only a small portion of warned vandals would do this though, and you compramise the wiki's image in the process. 06:25, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

I didn't want to go to the policy since I feel like I am trying to force my ways apon you. I personally think that I am too harsh when blocking compared to what the policy wants. The user block policy expects players to give many, many warning to a vandal before they are blocked. It is probably why there are test1, test2, warn3, warn4 and then finally block. There are two sentences of the policy that seem to back up my lighter-touch view firmely: 08:40, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * "If they did minor vandalism, such as less than five incidents, then limit the block to less than a week."
 * "Overall, don't be too hard on the IP addresses. If user accounts continually do harm, they can be blocked indefinitely, though not if they only did a few incidents."

New category?
Hi, Caleb, I wanted to add the Fremennik quest series category to the Lunar Diplomacy and Dream Mentor quests, but I couldn't find the category and wasn't sure how to create it. Can you tell me how to create a new category, like the one for the Goblin series or Plague series categories? Or is it there already and I don't see it? Thanks. 18:26, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Caleb, for creating this one. I'm still a bit confused. Where do I create a new category? 11:25, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Thank you for your help. 11:30, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Re:RfA
Wow, that was a long time ago, but thanks for the apology, I really appreciate it. In the long run, my failed RfA was probably for the best, I rarely edit any wikis anymore, and I've stopped playing RuneScape, so I probably wasn't the best suited to be an admin. In regards to your message however, its rare to see someone who is willing to openly admit they made some mistakes (especially on the internet!). Quite frankly, you did make some very valid points, but at the time, it just turned into a meaningless war of words. The RuneScape Wiki continues to be as awesome as it is due to great admins like you. Thanks again. -- 18:12, October 9, 2009 (UTC)