Talk:Elemental Workshop III/Archive 1

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Multiple parts of this page are incorrect and I can't be bothered to make an account and change them; the solution found at Zybez( http://www.zybez.net/quests/180/elemental_workshop_iii/ ) works perfectly, if someone would like to edit it in, feel free.

It's very annoying when some troll removed *1* single letter and it throws the entire thing off..

INCORRECT SOLUTIONS
I have seen the discussion page and it is littered with players saying that the solutions do not work. The last few puzzle parts should work because I used them to complete the quest. Fill this in if it does not work and sign your name next to it. Remove it once it has been corrected. This will hopefully make it easier to keep track of parts that are incorrect.

Part A = correct

Part B = correct

Part C = correct

Part D = correct

Part E = incorrect

Spin tower = correct

Raise tower = incorrect

18:47, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

part E works usin the letters A up to F rather than how the picture is, A down to F. plus i finished the missing part from the end, i used the same A up to F as the rest. someone else can fix that. Voi Runkkari 22:07, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you check if it has been changed since then? 12:16, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Subtle Vandals
Currently the part A solution listed in the guide is B, 2, F, 6, C, 2, F, 6, C, 2, E, 5, B, 3, F, 2, B, 3, F, 2, E, 4, F, 2. Someone must've subtly vandalised the solution some time today/yesterday, as that solution does not work; you will complete all the moves to find that 2 of the blocks are completely in the wrong place.

If the first B is replaced by a C however, it does work. Can someone edit this in, as the article is currently semi-protected and I'm disinclined to register an account.

90.204.139.57 16:14, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

it is changed back and I formatted above to make easier to compare Qazwiz 20:46, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

wtf?
why the heck is this in the plague series catagory....? i cant remove it from that aether, for some reason >=( 14:28, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

I tried deleting the category tags but they still stay on :S

Piano194 - 1 XY 15:08, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

For some reason the elemental series template contained the plage city category. I took the liberty of removing that. ~Artwich 15:12, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Items Needed
Who keeps changing the items needed back to 4 coal and no soft clay? Although the quest log says 4 coal and no soft clay, in fact you need 8 coal and soft clay in order to do the quest. Ptmmtp

I dont know about the coal but i was changing it because the guide already said how to get the stuffSuper2k 18:30, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Actually you need 12 coal, 4+4 for two elemental bars to become primed bar for the body body, and more 4 for regular elemental bar and soft clay for the key to get into the body door -84.110.153.117 14:38, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

the items needed is very deceptive, as 84.110.153.117 pointed out, going through with just 8 coal, as i did, can make you short, as i found out. This is due to same items being used to make different items.... I have an Idea for some recursive templates to improve this that i will impliment here first because (as a new quest) more eyes will see them faster

Qazwiz 19:56, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

ABOUT THE FORMATTED LETTERS
as the editor that was replaced (I moved the pix to the right for simular effect) i want to agree the attention box on the puzzle moves looks better and makes it a bit easier to follow the moves BUT

... the letters and numbers are in five combos but the moves are four combo sets with a few before and after. so i propose realigning with this example for "PART A"

C, 2, F, 6, C, 2, F, 6, C, 2, E, 5, B, 3, F, 2, B, 3, F, 2, E, 4, F, 2. Qazwiz 20:05, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Whoever keeps deleting the entire walkthrough, posting profanity, and impolite requests for a guide (some unregistered contributor) needs to stop, you're helping nobody. -ZhangAnXiang

Also, you kept changing my name on the solved picture, but that doesn't matter as much, I just wanted to show off and be egotistical a little.


 * RESPONSE: if someone is nice enough to do the work to make a pix and the donate it we should keep their name associatedwith it AS LONG AS THE NAME/SIGNATURE WAS ADDED AT THE SAME TIME AS THE PIX


 * So, if there is evidence that this gentleman was credited on the upload I vote his name be attached permanantly to the pix. if someone doesnt like him being credited with creating the pix, either prove he didnt or create a better one that we can use without acknowledgement.... note: i said BETTER, not just as good as, since WIKI CONVENTIONS allow for first best to take presidence over all other best, so only a better one can superceed a current pix. ..


 * Qazwiz 20:18, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

AHA MOMENT: I saw you didn't use the standard signature so i tried to write you a message on your talk page and found out you are not a registered user. that means you were an anonomous contributor when you uploaded the file and as such you cannot be given credit at a later date :-( I understand your desire for credit and thus I am urging you to register and then create the "Better pix" i mentioned above to replace your current one, thus you will get credit (IF YOU UPLOAD WHILE SIGNED IN)

that is the best response you will get from ANY wiki, hope you register soon....

Qazwiz 20:34, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hard
You should note that puzzle is very hard, not only long, but hard to complete.

89.81.129.195 16:28, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's telling how people talk about the END of the quest instead of the main part. The Pandorica will open. 18:21, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Puzzle
Should it be mentioned that the first part can be solved in more than one way somewhere? 24.211.141.239 16:35, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

someone has added it, but most puzzle solvers already know that there is only one puzzle that has a unique way to get to the final solution even if the solution itself is unique... and anyone who wonders what puzzle I am talking about can find that discussion HERE (when I have edited out this part)

Qazwiz 20:40, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Please?
for the love of god some one please post a video or a walkthrough of how to do these puzzles. my brain melts!

17:09, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * The people who've done it are too busy gloating to help other folks out. :-\ The Pandorica will open. 17:10, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Puzzle

 * Faints at the sight of this puzzle*

I'll love you forever if you get a comprehensive guide out for it <333

~Avp909
 * It's probably just a matter of time, but it's annoying for those of us who prefer to get new quests done on the day of release... The Pandorica will open. 17:54, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

First puzzle video
There is a video up now by zomgsmaki for the first puzzle --Goodison Goomba 17:53, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Number Of Prime Bars Needed
The guide (currently) says you need 3 prime bars but you only need 2. Not sure where the 3 came from. I will change it to 2. 80.177.172.9 18:16, May 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * You need 3 elemental bars. One elemental bar is used to make the key. Two primed bars are turned into body bars and used to make the body body. Mebibyte 20:17, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Puzzle
I'm doing the quest right now, and I've independently completed the first part in 35 moves, keeping track of each one. I can post the list later. -- 18:47, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would worship the ground you walk on. >:O The Pandorica will open. 18:52, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've finished the first two but this last one I just cant figure out. Dgby714 18:56, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Most of the article makes no sense at all:/ I hope someone who speaks English can write a comprehensive walkthrough soon, I cant, the puzzle has me stumped.
 * 62.194.21.246 18:59, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since these were my own personal notes, I used kind of an odd format, but for now the list is here. Also, the second part is giving me trouble. Dumb quest. -- 19:10, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh! so its like a puzzle box! Thanks for the notes, they are a big help:)
 * 62.194.21.246 19:15, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh! so its like a puzzle box! Thanks for the notes, they are a big help:)
 * 62.194.21.246 19:15, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Undefined items
I've found two undefined items while playing around with the runescape client.. I think these are just alternate versions of the body body, rather than an indication of a continuation.. I thought I'd share.. --CXgamer 19:25, May 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * that would be the elemental body and mind body, which can be made upon completion of the questHenneyj 19:35, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oooh, I had no idea. I feel stupid now. :( --CXgamer 19:43, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * They look neat. For a disco. But what use would they have, other than being cheaper and more inferior? VelvetClaw 05:12, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Puzzle 1
Check forums for most of Puzzle 1

Quick find code: 20-21-572-61026315

19:34, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Just finished the quest!
I just finished the quest. Once you are able to make your first body bar, you can simply move the pieces between the block that moves the block in the middle up/down, and the block in the middle to make another body bar. I'm waiting for my defense to restore so I can make another body bar to make helmet and shield! Mebibyte 20:17, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I recomend death as the easiest alternative.--CXgamer 23:16, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * -If death doesn't appeal, try a Defence/Super Defence/Restore/Super restore potion. Excalibur boosts defence
 * with its special attack too, for an extra suggestion. Otherwise death does make for the easiest solution. 122.57.17.165 01:07, May 26, 2010 (UTC)-

Puzzle Solution
For the first phase, use single-layer gears only to connect the south rotating gear to the gear tower in the east. This will lower the double-layer gear set. Reset.

For the second phase, use single-layer gears to form a path from the south rotating gear to the gear tower in the west, and connect it using the double-layer gear set. This will lower the triple-layer gear set. Reset.

For the third phase, use single/double-layer gears to form a path from the south rotating gear to the gear tower in the north (nearest the counter), and connect it using the triple-layer gear set. This will lower the gear tower in the centre. Reset.

For the final phase, connect the triple-layer gear set to the north of the centre gear tower, double-layer gear set to the south of the centre gear tower, single-layer gears on the west and east of the centre gear tower and a circular path of single-layer gears from the south rotating gear to join all the gears on each side of the center gear tower. This will rotate the centre gear tower device. Now move the triple-layer gear set north and an adjacent single-layer gear set to take its place. This will raise the gear tower in the centre and activate the big red button.

To repeat to get more Primed body bars, undo 1 step, redo that step (lowers centre gear tower), undo 1 step, shift the triple-layer gear set south (rotates centre gear tower device), undo 1 step, move the adjacent single-layer gear set to replace the triple-layer (raises gear tower again, activating button), and repeat this whole process to get more bars without the need to ever go through Phases 1-4 in their entirety ever again (unless you create a new account).

I would have put this in the Article if it wasn't protected (due to a worthless vandal).

~ ShojoSCANDAL
 * Your Directions (as in North, South, West and East) are wrong. The Rotating cog is to the east. --Dgby714 20:37, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's in perspective to the overview look. 20:46, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

I broke up the solution for each part because when it was just one LONNNNNNNNG line of numbers of letters it was just very confusing. I often lost my place even if i highlighted the code but sometimes i would forget where i left off. hopefully this will help people to get through the puzzles easier 19:13, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

how to Complete Section One of puzzle
In order to make things simple, number the levers on the left 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 from top to bottom. From the top going left to right A, B, C, D, E, F.

__a__b__c__d__e__f__g 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 2xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 3xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 4xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 5xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 6xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 7xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 8xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx where the levers are, X show the mechanism itself. Press the levers in this order: B3E2F6B2F5B6F5B4C6B5CD5C6B5D6C

And you're done.

Have a good day :D

Thanks.All we need are the next parts! Also, can someone please put this onto the article? Thanks. The Mistress of Poison 22:10, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'm slightly confused, are the letters and numbers supposed to be grouped like a grid (b3)(like, the 3rd B down) or as individual steps (b 3) (lever b, then lever 3)? -The steps show lever b, then lever 3 as individual steps.

I've done this part, but still, it would be wonderful to clear it up for the other ones. Sir Beck4 00:00, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

You should change the words "Left/Right" etc. to fit the ingame cardinal directions, like North South, East West, etc. It would be much less confusing.

Sorry for posting here

But the solution for the second part after resetting is 5c6f5d6e5c6e1f5c6f5d6f5d6e1f3b4c2e3d2c3e2b3d when using the system devised on the quest page.

Solving the puzzles
I think the answer to the puzzles should go under the quest rewards, and not at the bottom of the page; I can't edit it, just made this account last night D:

23:06, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll fix that. Thanks for pointing that out! The Mistress of Poison 23:32, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

How's that? The Mistress of Poison 23:33, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Diagram
any ideas what the diagram was meant to be showing. I'm sure it was to help solve the puzzle, but wasn't very helpful.Henneyj 23:44, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

-The diagram shows what happens to the Tower in the centre; It starts at the top of the diagram; Then the tower drops, then

it charges, then is raised again, and then repeats. That's all the diagram shows. :) 122.57.17.165 -

How do you get the full diagram? I only have the bottom part of it.

oh its a glitch, lol. wandering why it didnt make senseHenneyj 00:52, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Bonus counters...?
Why do the 2 counters on the puzzle board never show anything except 0? If I'm supposed to be getting more than 50 moves, then I'm not seeing them :/

- Have you tried activating them first? (I haven't yet) 122.57.17.165 -

when you activate them they do change, giving you more moves.Henneyj 01:18, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Does anybody know if you need to activate the double-stacked one before you can activate the triple-stacked one? 03:23, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you do not, since i did precicely that. In fact you don't need to activate the double one at all. Henneyj 00:53, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Puzzle EXPLAINED
Alright. I have posted the 2nd part of the puzzle (unlocking 50 bonus moves) I am still working on the next part.

Now let's suppose we assign each lever going ACROSS the top and bottom of the screen a letter from A-G (it doesn't matter top or bottom as the levers in line with each other fuction exactly the same).

A = FAR LEFT G = FAR RIGHT

Now we do the same with the levers going DOWN the left and right side of the screen. Again it doesn't matter left or right side.

1 = TOP-MOST 6 = BOTTOM-MOST Every square there is an X means that you cannot move the piece there (i.e. there are the 2 counters on either side, the tower in the middle and the gear in the top middle)

Each number and letter is a location of a lever.

These are NOT grid references.

To unlock the 2-high gear piece:

C 5 F 6 C 3 F 2 E 3 F 2 E 3 B 2 E 3 C 2 E 3 B 6 D 5 C 6 D 5 C 4 B 6 D 5 C

To unlock the 50 bonus moves:

(RESET FIRST! then:) E 1 F 2 E 1 F 2 E 4 F 2 E 4 F 2 B 6 E 5 D 6 F 3 E 6 F 5

Please post the next puzzles in this format! I don't have them yet.

EDIT: Figured out 3rd part (unlocking the 3-high gear piece): (Exactly 50 moves)

(RESET FIRST! then:) B 3 E 1 G 2 E 1 F 5 E 2 B 3 F 2 B 3 D 2 B 3 D 2 C 3 F 6 E 3 D 5 E 4 F 6 B 5 F 3 E 6 F 4 E 5 F 6 D 5 E

EDIT2: Okay, just figured out infinite moves part. (Also noticed that someone has posted a complete guide on the article. I'm gonna try that afterwards see if it works.)

For infinite moves, RESET then:

B 1 C 6 B 2 C 6 B 2 C 6 B 3 C 6 B 4 C 5 B 3 E 6 C 3 E 5 C 3 E 6 D 5


 * I tried to do these 3 or 4 times each (bonus+unlock third part), they don't seem to work.


 * Hmmm that's odd. I'm pretty sure I wrote down every time I pulled a lever. Make sure you've unlocked the 2-high piece (the first part) first. Then try to do the bonus AFTER RESETTING. Also make sure you are following the steps exactly.


 * I followed the steps correctly 4 times and got the same result for the 3-high gear piece. All of the other ones worked for me.


 * In particular the sequence E 3 D 5 (in part 3) is impossible. 86.7.21.197 20:16, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey guys. Sorry about that. I just typed up what I have written down, must be a mistake in my notes. I have since completed the quest but neglected to write down the final parts due to time constraints and other commitments. If you do need a guide I hear that RuneHQ has a correct one. Sorry once again. Worshy 06:27, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey guys. Sorry about that. I just typed up what I have written down, must be a mistake in my notes. I have since completed the quest but neglected to write down the final parts due to time constraints and other commitments. If you do need a guide I hear that RuneHQ has a correct one. Sorry once again. Worshy 06:27, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Can you please add what you need to do after you unlock the 3-high gear piece? 04:37, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

This is by far the best puzzle guide yet. I would really appreciate if you could give us the guide to the infinite moves part. Thx!