RuneScape:Chat/Logs/04 August 2013

 23:43 -!- Ciphrius Kane has joined Special:Chat 23:43 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Anybody know if that's taken from Game Reactor? 23:44 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; Not again! 23:44 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; pretty sure it's been taken from there 23:45 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; The Bandos one had the Game Reactor watermark on it 23:45 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; yeh 23:46 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; And one of my comments on Imgur got 22 likes so far - most I've ever had 23:47 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; Not that hard to edit out the watermark on that saradomin image 23:48 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; thescryingpool forum uses the one with the watermark on it 23:48 &lt;Suppa chuppa&gt; It's stupid when people don't read talk page messages 23:48 &lt;Suppa chuppa&gt; that or think they can just ignore them 23:48 -!- Dtm142 has joined Special:Chat 23:48 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Well I've given him an ultimatum and protected the Bandos concept art name 23:49 &lt;Suppa chuppa&gt; Alright 23:49 &lt;Dtm142&gt; I got 37 likes on another site 23:49 &lt;Suppa chuppa&gt; You're going to block if he uploads with a different name, then? 23:49 -!- Haidro has joined Special:Chat 23:49 &lt;Dtm142&gt; #winning 23:49 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Aye 23:49 &lt;Suppa chuppa&gt; lol dtm 23:49 &lt;Haidro&gt; hi 23:49 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Hello. 23:49 &lt;Hairr&gt; hello haidro 23:49 &lt;Cook Me Plox&gt; I got some likes 23:49 &lt;Haidro&gt; I 23:49 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Give him a few hours to read his talk page 23:49 &lt;Haidro&gt; I'm rather excited for divinatin 23:49 &lt;Dtm142&gt; I'm not. 23:50 &lt;Suppa chuppa&gt; Divination sounds stupid 23:50 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Just another grinding skill. 23:50 &lt;Hairr&gt; I'm rather disappointed 23:50 &lt;Dtm142&gt; And, from the sounds of it, looks like Jagex is really running out of ideas. 23:50 &lt;Hairr&gt; cook: http://i.imgur.com/LZ9FjNu.png fox news 23:50 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/File:Saradomin_fb.png The only reason we're able to use this art of saradomin is mainly because it's taken from Jagex's official facebook page for Saradomin, the same goes for Zamorak 23:51 &lt;Dtm142&gt; pretty sure that's fake 23:51 &lt;Dtm142&gt; 9_9 23:51 &lt;Cook Me Plox&gt; that's what I've been saying for years hair 23:51 &lt;Kq head&gt; Idaho looks like a gun if you rotate it 90 degrees 23:51 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; I know they suspended a student for eating a pastry 23:51 &lt;Kq head&gt; also L looks like a gun 23:51 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; F looks like a machine gun 23:51 &lt;Kq head&gt; everyone knows pastries come from commie land &gt;_&gt; 23:52 &lt;Haidro&gt; Spins in 9 minutes or 1hr 9 mins 23:52 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; 8 mins 23:52 &lt;Hairr&gt; 8 23:52 &lt;Hairr&gt; 10am haidro, just remember that lucky time 23:52 &lt;Hairr&gt; or is it 9am for you 23:52 &lt;Haidro&gt; no, 10am 23:52 &lt;Haidro&gt; 11am depending on DST 23:53 &lt;Haidro&gt; Which is why I forgot 23:53 &lt;Haidro&gt; Pretty good time frame for me 23:53 &lt;Dtm142&gt; http://ca.news.yahoo.com/texas-running-execution-drug-pentobarbital-205429190.html 23:53 &lt;Kq head&gt; you silly brits need to stop fucking with the time 23:53 &lt;Dtm142&gt; 9_9 23:53 &lt;Dtm142&gt; weird place 23:54 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Oh it's simple enough 23:54 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Those down south decide they want more time outside in the summer and less in the winter 23:55 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Though they did consider changing that to BST time full time, completely ignoring the issues that would face Scotland if that went ahead 23:55 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; ugh ffs, was going to rename the Saradomin artwork we got from the official fb page for him and somehow ballsd it up, as now the new moved image doesnt show the artwork at all 23:55 &lt;Kq head&gt; Sometimes I hear clopping 23:55 &lt;Kq head&gt; from the horses walking past my house 23:55 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Timezones are stupid imo 23:55 &lt;Dtm142&gt; And daylight savings time should be completely huffed imo 23:55 &lt;Dtm142&gt; If you want your golf course to close later, set summer hours. 23:56 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; It's dark enough in winter at the moment. Imagine if kids had to go to and come home from school when it was dark cause some pricks down in London decided they wanted to rise an hour later? 23:56 &lt;Dtm142&gt; The school can do the same thing. 23:56 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Set winter and summer hours. 23:56 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Tony, get the artwork again and reupload it 23:56 -!- TonyBest100 has left Special:Chat. 23:56 -!- TonyBest100 has joined Special:Chat 23:56 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Dtm, it's not that simple 23:56 &lt;Dtm142&gt; We don't do DST here. And we have 6 months of winter/year. 23:57 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Yet it works. 23:57 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; You cannae just say "School starts an hour later in the winter" cause that fucks with parents who take their kids to school 23:57 -!- TonyBest100 has left Special:Chat. 23:57 -!- AnselaJonla has joined Special:Chat 23:57 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Hey honey 23:57 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Then just pick a reasonable time. 23:57 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Hi 23:58 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; The problem with that Dtm, is that the time picked will be more suited to London than to Scotland 23:58 &lt;Dtm142&gt; And I'd like to see evidence that kids are safer in jurisdictions that do DST. 23:58 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Where I am, it gets dark fast in the winter 23:58 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Same here. 23:58 &lt;Dtm142&gt; That's the point of winter. 23:58 -!- Spineweilder has joined Special:Chat 23:58 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; By 5pm it's completely pitch black 23:58 &lt;Spineweilder&gt; Hmm 23:58 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Oh. It's 5:30 on December 21 here. 23:59 &lt;Dtm142&gt; But we actually get snow too, so that makes a difference. 23:59 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/File:BOLgodsar01.png - good image, bad name 23:59 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Course according to the politicians down in London, it's perfectly acceptable for little kiddies to be walking home from school in complete darkness, so long as they get an extra hour of daylight 00:00 &lt;Dtm142&gt; streetlights 00:00 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Oh yes streetlights sort everything! 00:00 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; They light the road up nice and bright! 00:00 &lt;Dtm142&gt; And walking home at 5:00 is quite a stretch anyway. 00:00 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; No kiddies going to be hit crossing the road, cause we got streetlights! 00:01 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Look both ways. 00:01 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; School finishes at 3:30, bus home takes about an hour 00:01 &lt;Kq head&gt; phr33 sp1nz 00:01 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Choose a closer school. 00:01 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Asshole driver driving without his headlights on, SMACK! One dead kiddie 00:01 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; What if there aren't any closer? 00:01 &lt;Dtm142&gt; homeschool 00:01 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Not an option, really 00:01 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Also, traffic fines should be progressive imo. 00:02 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Because it means that then you lose one parent's income 00:02 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Oh yes that's brilliant! Both parents out at work, kiddie's left at home to teach themselves 00:02 &lt;Dtm142&gt; That would devastate the asshole drivers. 00:02 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Oh yes brilliant! 00:02 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; And also the parents aren't necessarily qualified to teach 00:02 &lt;Dtm142&gt; So that solves that issue. 00:02 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; "Sir, you appear to have killed a 12 year old girl. That'll be a £100 fine." 00:02 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Teachers aren't really either imo. 00:03 &lt;Dtm142&gt; 1. Killing someone generally gets you time. I mean basic things like speeding and running stop signs 00:03 &lt;Dtm142&gt; 2. Do you even know what progressive means? 00:03 &lt;Kq head&gt; Some sick people probably wish it were only a £100 fine... 00:04 -!- DeflectRange has joined Special:Chat 00:04 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Dtm, let me assure you of this: where I live, what you are suggesting is just not viable or possible 00:04 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; There isn't an academy for miles around, so students have to get the bus 00:04 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Progressive traffic fines? 00:04 -!- TonyBest100 has joined Special:Chat 00:04 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Unless if you suggest converting the local primary school into an academy 00:04 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; Spin time :P 00:05 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Or what about permanently switching to standard time? 00:05 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; We are on standard time 00:05 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; What, £100 for your first injury, £300 for the next? 00:05 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; In winter 00:05 &lt;Dtm142&gt; No, Kane. 00:05 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Aka GMT 00:05 &lt;Kq head&gt; Jagex: To celebrate, we... 00:05 &lt;Kq head&gt; Translation: To cash in on this, we... 00:05 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; It is summer where we aren't 00:05 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Permanently 00:05 -!- Stinkowing has joined Special:Chat 00:05 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Progressive traffic fines: the richer you are, the more it costs you. 00:06 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; PAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAA! 00:06 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Oh that's a good one! The rich pay! With the fucking Tories in charge??? 00:06 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; So... the people hitting kids will still get piddling sentences 00:06 &lt;Dtm142&gt; That way, a multimillionaire with a BMW can't go "meh, I'll pay a $100 ticket. No big deal" 00:06 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; If it were up to them the rich wouldn't pay at all! 00:06 &lt;Kq head&gt; Alice Twilight is the worst name ever, because there's a character in Twilight called Alice. It could've been such a badass name but nooo... those fucking pretty boy vampires have to ruin everything. 00:06 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; Medium cash bag! :) 00:07 &lt;Haidro&gt; spins spins spins 00:07 &lt;Haidro&gt; Hunter daily &gt;.&gt; 00:07 &lt;Kq head&gt; The rich know how to dodge taxes 00:07 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; And you seem to think that it's just the rich who are asshole drivers 00:07 &lt;Dtm142&gt; No. 00:07 &lt;Dtm142&gt; But if you're a rational person, you'd be more likely to speed if you can afford to pay the ticket. 00:07 &lt;Kq head&gt; If taxes were a boxer, the rich people would be weaving around those punches 00:07 &lt;Dtm142&gt; So make the ticket less affordable. 00:07 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; It's not even about speeding, Dtm 00:08 &lt;Kq head&gt; and then probably kicking them in the groin because they're a bunch of loophole abusers 00:08 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Speeding is only one example. 00:08 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; that cash bag gave me 72,k 00:08 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Red lights, parking, illegal u-turns, etc. 00:08 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; 72k* 00:09 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; It's about not being able to SEE the damned kids because it's dark and a residential area so the streets are lined with parked cars and the parents think that dark clothing and not even a single reflective band is a good idea, and the kid steps out from between two cars and the driver going at 28mph doesn't even see it 00:09 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Then permanently switch to standard time, and it's a moot point. 00:09 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/File:BOLgodsar01.png Someone care to delete? 00:10 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Duplicate 00:10 -!- DeflectRange has left Special:Chat. 00:10 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; yeh, removed it from the page it was on 00:10 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Good good 00:11 -!- Neitiznot has joined Special:Chat 00:11 &lt;Kq head&gt; Ciph, how do I un-decapitate myself? 00:11 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Depends 00:11 &lt;Neitiznot&gt; Get a new head 00:11 &lt;Neitiznot&gt; Reverse time 00:11 &lt;Haidro&gt; (qc) Bail out some water with a bucket! 00:11 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Do you have some sort of enchantment or demon pact? 00:11 &lt;Neitiznot&gt; Go on 4Chan 00:12 &lt;Neitiznot&gt; They'llsort it out 00:12 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; What is this "standard time" you speak of, Dtm? 00:12 &lt;Hairr&gt; Meaning not daylight savings time 00:12 &lt;Dtm142&gt; ^ 00:13 &lt;Dtm142&gt; ie, what you switch to in Autumn. 00:13 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Which is what we do anyway 00:13 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; We DON'T use BST in the winter 00:13 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; But politicians in London (very south of England) want to change that 00:13 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; That should be painfully obvious from the name 00:13 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Or they did 00:14 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Then I'm confused. 00:14 &lt;Neitiznot&gt; it's March to October 00:14 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; My complaint was that those down south were trying to have us in BST all year long, not that we are in BST all year long 00:15 &lt;Neitiznot&gt; October to March is normal 00:15 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Completely disregarding the light difference between Aberdeen and London 00:15 &lt;Neitiznot&gt; Last day of March to last day of October 00:15 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Whatever you do in the winter, stay there all year long. 00:15 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Hell, the light difference between London and Hull is noticeable 00:15 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; But then those down south would have less time to sleep in 00:16 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Not necessarily. 00:16 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; What's the light like at 5 in December in Hull 00:16 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Dtm142, this country's politicians live and work in the south of England 00:16 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; What light, darling? 00:16 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; So it's pitch black? 00:16 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Businesses could change their hours. Or you could just go to bed earlier. 00:16 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; hi again 00:17 -!- Neitiznot has left Special:Chat. 00:17 &lt;Spineweilder&gt; It's Coel 00:17 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Therefore they think in terms of "how does this affect the south of England" and ignore anything further north than Oxbridge 00:17 &lt;Spineweilder&gt; Whose images have been overshadowed by a certain someone's spam 00:17 -!- Neitiznot has joined Special:Chat 00:17 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Uhuh, you expect us to make a cultural shift of working from 9-5 to working nights? 00:17 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; http://i.imgur.com/tqAsJgYh.jpg 00:17 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Sounds kind of like Ontario 00:17 &lt;Spineweilder&gt; Is that real Coel 00:17 &lt;Dtm142&gt; (somewhat subverted now, because we have a prime minister from the prairies) 00:17 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; of course it is 00:18 -!- Neitiznot has left Special:Chat. 00:20 -!- Neitiznot has joined Special:Chat 00:20 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; http://imgur.com/3s8sLt2 00:21 &lt;Dtm142&gt; (H) 00:21 &lt;Neitiznot&gt; 1+2=/=4. 00:22 &lt;Hairr&gt; what is your point 00:22 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; I like that diner 00:23 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; /me is not going to bother transing any warpriest images until the full set is in them 00:23 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; It could be argued to be moot, but for somebody with bad balance that little railing could ease their ascent 00:23 &lt;Neitiznot&gt; My point is that one add two does not make four. 00:23 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; mol said the same thing 00:23 &lt;Spineweilder&gt; /me is not going to bother transing any more images because he spammed a lot of trans'd images 00:23 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; but we get the full in... october? 00:24 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; Betcha somebody gets the image of the full set from a RSPS or the cache before then 00:24 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Do Jagex's BTS videos ever contain any actual substance? 00:24 &lt;Haidro&gt; The BTS one on divination gave us a lot of new item names 00:24 &lt;Dtm142&gt; lol 00:25 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Such as? 00:25 &lt;Haidro&gt; let me show you 00:25 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; wisps 00:25 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; craters 00:25 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; ...more wisps 00:26 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; *pspspspssppsppsppsppsppssspspss* 00:26 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; ^wisp sound 00:27 &lt;Dtm142&gt; "August is going to be another epic month for RuneScape. Mod Mark will reveal all in next week’s Behind the Scenes newspost, but it’s going to involve the next Sixth Age quest, a new skill and fantastic new rewards in an upgraded loyalty program!" 00:27 &lt;Dtm142&gt; ^ yes, that's literally the entire month. 00:27 &lt;Dtm142&gt; 9_9 00:27 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; so? we got tat for july too 00:27 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Indeed. 00:27 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; like 2 or 3 tiny things 00:27 &lt;Dtm142&gt; In June, they didn't even finish their BTS 00:27 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; they're going through lots of maintenance stuff 00:28 &lt;Dtm142&gt; (ie, where's bxp reform?) 00:29 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Yes, but RS3 (at best) is nothing more than a marketing gimmick to attract Miniclipers. 00:29 &lt;Dtm142&gt; In reality, it 00:29 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Is a piece of shit 00:29 &lt;Dtm142&gt; 9_9 00:29 &lt;Haidro&gt; This: 00:30 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Not worth all the content they had to forego to make it. 00:30 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Is http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/File:Adamant_helm_(h4)_chathead.png a glitchead? 00:30 &lt;Neitiznot&gt; Miniclip. That should suffice in explanation. 00:30 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Miniclip 00:30 &lt;Haidro&gt; http://imgur.com/gTSFXek,tbH4Iyu,BqVFOot 00:30 &lt;Dtm142&gt; lol 00:30 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; I think I have that...I'll check 00:30 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Damnit, Dro 00:30 &lt;Dtm142&gt; lol 00:30 &lt;Dtm142&gt; That requires level 92 00:31 &lt;Haidro&gt; There are more images there 00:31 &lt;Dtm142&gt; And it's still a useless item 9_9 00:31 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; So we know that we'll need prayer potions 00:31 &lt;Haidro&gt; Incase you didn't see 00:31 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Such good images... but if they're not from a Jagex source then we can't use the info in them :( 00:31 &lt;Haidro&gt; It's from the BTS vid ansela 00:31 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; OOOOH! 00:31 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Not exactly substance. 00:31 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; So... make the pages? 00:31 &lt;Haidro&gt; I will 00:31 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; YAY! 00:31 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Okay, Divination is next week? 00:31 &lt;Haidro&gt; Most likely 00:31 &lt;Haidro&gt; By next week you mean a few days 00:32 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; So... on update day, I will log straight in, load up the in-game skill guide and page spam 00:32 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; I don't think it will be next week (a few days), considering that was part 1 of the divination bts 00:32 &lt;Haidro&gt; Oh 00:32 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Indeed 00:32 &lt;Dtm142&gt; And the next BTS video is about the quest 00:32 &lt;Haidro&gt; Wait 00:32 &lt;Haidro&gt; I just realised something 00:32 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; interesting 00:32 &lt;Haidro&gt; They aren't all items 00:32 &lt;Haidro&gt; That's a subgroup 00:32 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; we might be making some money off these 00:32 &lt;Dtm142&gt; So the earliest it can come out is the next week. 00:32 &lt;Haidro&gt; Fuck, there's going to be a whole load of new items 00:33 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; ALL the pages 00:33 &lt;Haidro&gt; Boon of glowing energy 00:33 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; Inb4 massive amounts of badly made pages or vandalism on Divinations release day 00:33 &lt;Haidro&gt; Does the template preload thing never work for anyone 00:33 &lt;Dtm142&gt; "If you die with this portent in your inventory, you will be able to protect an additional item. " 00:33 &lt;Dtm142&gt; lol 00:33 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; But, Dro, we know the types of divine energy and two of the items we can make from them 00:33 &lt;Dtm142&gt; ^ level 92 btw 00:33 -!- Stinkowing has left Special:Chat. 00:34 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Dead on arrival. 00:34 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; That is handy dtm, 5 item protection = good (if combined with the protect item prayer, that is assuming they stack) 00:34 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; 2-item in wildy 00:34 &lt;Dtm142&gt; 1. Gravestones. 00:34 &lt;Dtm142&gt; 2. Wilderness is dead content, and 2 isn't really that big of a deal. 00:34 &lt;TonyBest100&gt; Also looks like they won't be tradeable according to that image 00:35 &lt;Dtm142&gt; 3. Redundant with the prayer skill. 00:35 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Joy. So it won't even be a good moneymaker. 00:35 &lt;Coelacanth0794&gt; what about stuff that gets destroyed on death like quest items 00:35 &lt;Haidro&gt; It could be useful on high risk wildy warband worlds 00:35 &lt;Dtm142&gt; 9_9 00:35 &lt;Dtm142&gt; Few items are like that anymore. 00:35 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; We know ONE use of it 00:35 &lt;AnselaJonla&gt; Dtm, why are you always so fucking negative about updates? 00:35 &lt;Dtm142&gt; And they're generally retrievable. 00:35 &lt;Ciphrius Kane&gt; And you've written it off as completely useless 00:35 &lt;Dtm142&gt; I'm not always negative.