Talk:Pay-to-play melee training

This is a really really bad article. It's not helpful. At least make a f2p and a p2p training guide. If no one will I will. But first delete this one.02:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

In what ways doe you want it changed? Should it be two separate articles?-- Atlandy 17:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

patcong we dont need to delete this one..

it just needs to be revamped. Make a free to play and members section and add some pictures and number of hitpoints for each monster stuff like that. Ice 23:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

and patcong if you want it changed, go ahead and make a contribution Ice 23:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

i think we need more pictures and combat levels 35-126? Ice 03:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Can i add some stuff, User:Fofo7848
 * You NEVER need to ask to add, Fofo. This is a wiki! Your edits are welcomed and if they are erroneous then you can learn from them.Dark0805 04:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

wow thx, I 'll keep that in mind.

Should Ghoul's even be in there? there is no advantage listed, but 4 really bad disadvantages.

Hope nobody minds, but i just added Bandits to the 76-99 guide. Either delete it if its no good or feel free to add on.(Jdogy15 00:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC))

Need Help Categorizing Content
I have moved this article to "P2P Melee Training Guide". Please help me filter out contents. Doomedrusher 14:39, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thats alright moving it to P2P, but please include AT LEAST 1 FTP OPTION in each of the level categories. i.e. 85-100 lesser demons Ice 12:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Eh... I made a duplicate of this thread, but instead named F2P melee training guide, it's just this guide with the P2P spots filtered out. Doomedrusher 15:25, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm
Should I reformat it into several tables instead? --Flajuram 10:17, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Fight Caves?

 * You get approx. 60k/h at level 75 combat and more than 150k/h at 95+ combat!!

Well, could someone confirm this? http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/c/c0/Quest.png http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/2/2f/Fletching.gif http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/runescape/images/4/4e/Cooking.gif XfinXTalk 08:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Whoops
I pressed enter by accident before saving the edit summary. I removed the Fight Caves recommendation - it only got me 20k XP in an hour. 00:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

"Moss giants in Varrock manhole"
To whoever made added that to 46-55 training, it was already listed.

Oh well it could be for both 46-55 and other levels. It was also good information and should not have been deleted. Or was it listed twice in 46-55? Let me check.. 00:07, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Darn your right. I shouldn't have rollbacked it. Sorry. 00:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I think we should remove all of the pictures
that page is a laggy mess its way big. further more the pictures add no usefull information, it would reduce the system on the server and make it load faster AND reduce lag!Aaroncampf 00:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

could we please remove all of the stupid pics i want to streamline this page!!!! if we cut it in half then i would have room for a real tactical outline for what monsters are best. this would include both money making and experince as i think that moneymakeing is worth noting at the upper levelsAaroncampf 03:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

WE HAVE WAY TO MANY USELESS INFORMATION PICUTES AND MONSTESRS ON HERE
First off we do not need any pics.

next off its wholy not worth burrying regular bones.

next off why must you state everything in an overly long statment if chickens can not ever hurt you so you never have to use food you could have just said NO DAMAGE and really KILL HIGHWAYMEN they are to spraed apart and do not give good as exp

if you ask me the ONLY monster we should have for the first level section is monks because they give the best exp and they heal you so you can just finish these levels asap and not worry about themAaroncampf 03:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

and PS all of these huge pages are a big reason why this wiki is always lagging!


 * As the saying goes, "A picture tells a thousand words". Pictures do convey the meaning better. If you have a problem with certain sections of the guide, rephrase those sections, instead of simply removing that section. If you think that sections such as the "Highwayman" section do not make sense, feel free to remove them (just refrain from saying "Not worth killing at all" (which is just your opinion) or "TOO CROWDED" (because any area can be crowded). Please avoid using upper-case letters as it shows that you aren't in check of your emotions. 04:11, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

A PICTURE OF A CHICKEN TELLS ME NOTHING ABOUT COMBAT. the way you guys have it i could liast ANY monster in the game and ad it to any section so long as you COUKD kill it at that level i want a real guide not a book on monsters. Aaroncampf 04:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * A picture of a chicken tells you what the NPC looks like. If you want to list any monster, go ahead as long as that monster is relatively good to train on. And don't demand things with "I want" this and that. You realise that we are volunteers here? We aren't obligated to do anything. 04:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

i want to make an effective guide, not some all inclusive junker. simple is the best, yet this site forbits that anyones ideas get removed no matter how irrelevent or junked upAaroncampf 04:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to continue this discussion. I seem to be unable to get anything into your head. If you think the monster is bad and should be removed, at least state why (just as long as your reasoning is not "too crowded"). I can see why Stinkowing was frustrated with you. 04:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

beign too crowded is a great reason not to add somthing they make me want to remove yaks, but i would have to test this out first. i have to have real data before i do somthing. btw are there standers for me doing a test or can i just hang around that area and see how busy they really are??Aaroncampf 01:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

in terms of pictures, if the reader wants to know what the monster looks like they would most likely go to the related article. Axearmour1 06:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

also either we take all the pictures off or add them all in instead of having just one section having pictures. Axearmour1 06:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Halberds
do we really need them. they are bad exp, so why bother talking about somthing we know isnt effective. this is a training guide not a monster killing guide. if there are other reasons like gathering bones for peaches to stay longer thats different and should be stated. Why is everyone doin crazy stuff about halberds. They are bad for training and they have pathetic abilities.

- Well i dont think theyre so useless. It can attack 2 squares away, thus you can take advantage of safespots...

Jenessi

Not only Killing Monsters
There are other things to do no just killing monsters, may be playing soul wars is one of them but u can also play stealing creation to get sacred clay parts for training at x2 speed!!!!!No techniques are mentioned!!!!!! --41.236.9.205 19:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC).

Ghouls
I'm level 110 cb and I train on GHOULS for about 80-90k experience an hour, using a whip/rune defender for weapons. They are all clumped together, and they hit rarely, so 28 sharks will literally last days. I think it should be mentioned for players who purely want quick experience. Their drops are: 100% bones, uncommon gold charms, semi-rare law talismans, and extremely rare champions scrolls (I've gotten 4 so far). They also back up and stop attacking when their hp is low, which is not annoying to me because they do not hit you as they retreat. I think this article is well written, but more options/content would certainly be appreciated. (Ghouls have 50 hp and very low defence, and drop nothing good so you can concentrate on mass murdering them.)

Complete overhaul
This guide is currently helping almost nobody. It needs a huge overhaul much like the ranged training guide. This includes tables, xp and cash rates, weapon and armour sections and a more usefull categorization format. I'm willing to help on finding rates and adding a better weapon/armour section. Any ideas on how to better categorize it? I just think the currrent system kinda sucks.  TomTheTank 13:58, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

AWFUL GUIDE
This article is awful, I tested half the ones suggested and many of them were terrible (combat 108).

Willing to explore new methods, but most of these suck, and why aren't Yaks listed for 76 - 99.

First, guy above me, if you think that you have a better method, add it. It's a wiki, after all. Second, to everyone else, I think that the "Things to consider" section should be moved to the top, as most people don't scroll all the way down. 01:09, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Exp/h
I think someone should add exp/h estimation. I can do it for some methodes but i can't do it for all since i don't use every (i can add for yaks, monkey guards, armoured zombies etc.). If you can give estimation please add it to article.

missing the point
I THINK PEOPLE ARE MISSING THE POINT, THIS IS A MELEE TRAINING GUIDE, NOT ANYTHING ELSE. WHY DO PEOPLE TALK ABOUT RANGING AND MAGING, LIKE ON THE BARBARIANS? IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT RANGING AND MAGING, GO PUT IT ON RANGE AND MAGE GUIDES. Gravybatter 19:37, October 10, 2010 (UTC)