User talk:Battleben

First!!
http://i.imgur.com/MGznutC.jpg

09:16, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Zombies
Do the zombies from The Dead Walk! and from that Jmod infection thingy need an infobox? I mean, they have a unique model. Might be in the bestiary... 09:43, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, happy birthday! I hope you get something good. A pet Muspah, or something. 15:24, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Translucency
Please explain why you have, again, uploaded images that need translucency without their backgrounds? 19:47, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've warned you on this too many times. For the last time: It's not up to you whether an image with a translucent part will suffice with or without a background. ALL of them should be uploaded with a background. Now we are going to be stuck with fairies with wooden wings and a vampyre with green webbing until someone gets around to adding translucency to them. I have blocked you for three days. In this time, please, again, review RS:IMG. 02:59, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not break any policies. The closing comment for Forum:Change to translucency methods was "Option 1 will be implemented,with common sense, of course.", and RS:IMG states "If adding particle transparency or translucency is deemed too arduous, normal transparency may be added without cutting out particles, but the image should then be reverted to the original state without transparency if it is aesthetically superior over a partially transparent form." In my opinion, for the fairies, the transed images were aesthetically superior. But yeah, we're probably going to need another Yew Grove to settle this, as RS:IMG is rather vague, as what's aesthetically superior is rather subjective. 08:34, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * You were warned that you were repeatedly disregarding policies, and that should you continue, action may be taken. You continued your disregard for the policies, and action was taken. It's quite simple. Note how you mentioned that what is aesthetically superior is subjective, yet you state that the transed version is aesthetically superior as if your opinion has some sort of objective proof. Also, RS:IMG is fairly clear. The "common sense" aspects deal with minor details where the part with translucency cannot be seen without inspecting the image closer. The images you uploaded require translucency on approximately half of the non-transed portion. This is clearly in violation of the policy. I suggest you take this break and make sure you follow policies in the future. Also, realize that you are the only user having this problem, so it's probably not an issue with the policy itself. 08:42, June 23, 2013 (UTC) unblock Denied.  08:47, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I read the polices after being warned, and I thought for these images, the areas that required translucency were pretty small and barely noticable. And no, RS:IMG is not fairly clear, it says that images that require translucency are allowed if the transed images are aesthetically superior. In my opinion, they were, but in your opinion, they weren't. How is that not subjective? I am not saying that my opinion was any more valid than yours and fergies, but how was I supposed to know what other people thought was superior if they hadn't seen it? 08:51, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wording of the policy aside, how can you possible say that the parts of this image which require translucency are "pretty small and barely noticable [sic]"? My first thought when viewing that image was, "What is wrong with her wings?" It has odd colors due to the background, and you can't possibly say that the difference that the background makes is negligible. 09:04, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, if you look at Fairy Very Wise and Fairy Nuff it isn't very noticable when you see the images scaled down on the actual pages. Anyway, I did Aeryka last, so I assumed she'd be like the other ones, but I can see the problem with her, and I guess I was wrong. Speaking of which, I forgot to resize the image of Fairy Aeryka's page, and now I am incapable of doing so, would you mind fixing that please? 09:10, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Since there seems to be some confusion on what exactly the policy means, I'll err on the on the side of caution in future and not trans ANY translucent images. Anyway, the only effect the block is having is preventing me from positively contributing to the wiki, so if anyone would be kind enough to unblock me, that would be great. 11:55, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Would anyone care to tell me why I was blocked AGAIN? I hadn't even made any edits since Coel unblocked me. Furthermore, I have not yet received any decent reasons for my first block. (and no, having an disagreement over what an ambiguous section in RS:IMG means is not justification for a block, Blocks are for preventing further disruption to the wiki, not to to gain an advantage in a content dispute.) 08:03, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Special:Log/block 10:26, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * That doesn't answer my question. 15:50, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe my first three warnings were quite clear. In the fourth warning I said that if you breech RS:IMG again, I would take action. You did, and I took action. 18:31, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * And yet I did not breach RS:IMG. RS:IMG states that images should be reverted to the original state without transparency if it is aesthetically superior over a partially transparent form, which, for the fairies, I considered the transparent version to be aesthetically superior. I do agree that part of the policy is badly worded though, as what's aesthetically superior is completely subjective. At any rate, while this block is rather silly, i'm tired of arguing about it, so I'll just wait for it to end >_>. 19:05, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Smashing
is not what you got your custodian tools for. They are meant for maintenance purposes, and filenames should be descriptive. If they are already descriptive then don't move them. If you want to make that joke, just compress the file and upload it saying "Smashing the filesize" or whatever, but don't move the file just for a lame joke. 15:18, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hai
User talk:Fswe1. Have fun. 08:45, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Ali/Wahi dialogue after Enakhra's Lament
http://pastebin.com/n0FC8GK3 05:34, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Slayercat
No idea what this slayercat thing is, but it's removing the ability to show/hide combat stats. 18:47, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. 18:48, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was Mol who did that, and I concur with his comment of that edit... IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 19:13, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

In regards to this, shouldn't it at least be "Aviansie" instead of "Avianse"; avoiding a redirect? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 05:40, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Lumbridge?
Why did you name the NPCs with the new portal update NPC(The Battle of Lumbridge)? Where does it mention this anywhere? The NPcs aren't called that in game and none of the dialogue mentions it. It isn't mentioned in the update either. Are you getting this informaiton form sonewhere else, like the twitter acocunt or is it just your speculation?04ismailjj6 (talk) 14:54, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Tastes like diabetes
Sheldon and two cute piggies? I dun get it. Note that I haven't startee BHtB yet. 18:51, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Aye, true enough. Let's eat Sheldon. 06:33, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Stuff
Lady Keli, Ozan, Hassan, Ali Mirza, oh the obsolete humwnity. 20:27, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Please tell me you took images that don't need draw distance (so, everything except for the city overview) in Java. :P Also, ^^^^^^^^ 08:14, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

You're invited to my trim party!
Find out the details here. --BrenRS (talk) 02:29, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

bts leak
even when it's in the background? when the video wasn't about her (she wasn't even mentioned, just sneaky shown in the back)? 19:17, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I read that afterwards :P But I thought I could rationalize it by saying the bts video wasn't about Kara-Meir. 19:36, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

Template:Battle of Lumbridge
I made other changes (adding links, etc.), which you reverted, so I'm asking which part was ugly? I find that long navboxes are even uglier. 14:49, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Sliske
Should User:Fswe1/Laboratory include 'the adventurer'? 08:34, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Meow. I'll use frog mask for chathead. Or chicken mask. You choose. 08:46, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have any images of Meeting History where Guthix greets the humans as they come through the portal of life for use on Human Realm? 12:12, July 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, neat. I'll do it once I get back then. Wouldn't that also mean you could retake the Guthix image? Oh wait, cutscenes are broken... ;_; Btw, a new experiment is being conducted in my lab. 19:04, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Lumbridge record points
User:Ajente02 compiled a list of votes for every 24 hours. take a look. http://es.runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Muro:Ajente02 Mike111b (talk) 05:20, July 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've also got an approximation of the decrease rate of tears:
 * {| class="prettytable"

!colspan="2"|F2P http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110901220935/codesah/images/a/ad/Ajente02_Firma.JPG 05:32, July 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * 550
 * x4
 * ~700
 * x3
 * ~900
 * x2
 * ~1,100
 * x1
 * 1,320
 * x0
 * }
 * But it's only an approximation, IDK if that's accepted here... Good luck anyways. --See ya':
 * 1,320
 * x0
 * }
 * But it's only an approximation, IDK if that's accepted here... Good luck anyways. --See ya':
 * But it's only an approximation, IDK if that's accepted here... Good luck anyways. --See ya':

Audacity and RS
Mind explaining how the former can be used to get sounds from the latter? 21:59, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

drunken dwarf
if I'm not mistaken, you were talking about the drunken dwarf earlier today. Someone just came into the chat saying: [01:06:05]  did anyone else met a drunken dwarf at the battlefield? [01:06:10]  *meet Thought you might wanna know. 23:08, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Stuff
An unlisted music track appears to be playing when rogues/minelayers/etc. are summoned. Go! :P 14:21, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Mervis Merton
All you said is true (I think), but I doubt language can change so much (Mahey'ish Medron to Mother Mallum) over the course of 200yrs or so... 17:40, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Aviansie vs Avianse
Were the "Avianse" in this edit intentional, or are those indeed missing an 'i'? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 13:41, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sea gods
Don't redirect deleted pages in an attempt to get your point across that you do not agree with the deletion. Sea gods are not worshiped like the camel god is. The sea gods were mentioned in ONE passing phrase. "By the gods" is a common real-life phrase, "by the sea gods" references that. That's all. 20:26, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Cutscenes
...is he mentally impaired? Make a thread called "Reddit response to Thatjim" or something to reply to this and complain. It's just ridiculous. 19:09, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Quest icons
I visited UnusedFiles and found 50 of them sitting there. What did you plan on doing with them? Replacing the current images in the quest infobox perhaps? Maybe putting them in the same place as chatheads on NPC articles?

5th age religion
In one of the campfires they sid that while the trolls originally followed Bandos, they have now forgotten about him. Could you update File:5thage religion.png to reflect this? 10:14, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Saradomin
It's not my responsability to make every section of every article better. I don't even have one appointed to me. I'm sure you know this is free for all. I assume I edited while you were busy writing and that this is the cause of your annoyance. You know I'm open to discussion... you can always to to my talk page and discuss stuff there is you disagree with me. I take it you, just as myself, don't want to make things more troubled - please do the same. 11:55, September 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not quite, it was a part about his moral character... not the greater good, or what he ays is for the greater good. 12:22, September 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * From the article:


 * The emphasis in the quote shows the parts I thought it was about. I see nothing about "greater good". Seems to me you're trying really hard to blame me of stuff I didn't do. 13:46, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, if you look in the history of Saradomin (not the character but the page :P) then you see I mentioned something like: "it's not about order, it's about his moral character". That's my genuine view. The paragraph I copied above it reads "epitome of all that is good". In my eyes 'Good' says more about 'Morality' than it does about 'Order', so a genocide (normally not regarded as an epitome of all that is good) can be seen as such (a Moral issue, not an Order issue). Yes, he does this to achieve order... because 'the only orderly Naragi is a dead Naragi' - but that was not the point, the point was "the epitome of all that is good", and that is morality.
 * Also, the greater good could, in some moral theories, be part of morality (like Utilitarianism, but not Kantianism). The greater good has nothing to do with Order per se, maybe 'the greater order' (do something slightly chaotic to achieve a greater order - within the philosophy of Order, this can certainly be seen as morally good within the philosophy, but not more-or-less intrinsically linked to morality; like genocide is).
 * hope this answers your last comment to:
 * 1. I don't think it's a paragraph about Order, but Ethics/Morality;
 * 2. Genocide is an example/illustration of his morality; and
 * 3. There is no direct need to refer to the greater good, hence I didn't do that in the paragraph, while people still seem to want to read that into it).  10:12, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes, tell me about it. I know the feeling my friend. You don't even address the points I make. Not always at least. While I try the best to do so. But luckaly we don't have to agree 100%, we could also try to... compromise? Or just not talk about it. You may choose ;)  10:26, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * With this issue alone; with other issues too; with me entirely; or even with the entire RSwiki-community? 10:35, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh. Hmm.. okay. That's not so good. Only because I disagree and keep arguing? Not to be mean, but you do the same thing, in essence. Or am I mistaking?? 10:40, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * So, we're both jsut very stubborn/steadfast, not necessarily a bad thing though. But if the issue was resolved anyway, why did you continue to argue with me? 10:52, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wizards and...um
If a male witch is called a warlock what's a female wizard called? I'm genuinely curious. 04ismailjj6 (talk) 09:58, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Aye, I figured they might not be witches, but decided to go by Harry Potter terminology. :P Anyway, you're right. @Ismail: In RuneScape, "wizard" is unisex, in most other fantasy stuff, a female wizard is generally a witch. 13:53, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

History
User:Fswe1/Laboratory2 - Done first two sections (pre-1st Age and 1st Age). Please check and correct where necessary, or add stuff. =3 18:58, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Bank Search results?
So when did they add that into the game? Just wondering how unobservant I am :)  04ismailjj6 (talk) 13:23, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Cheese
"The Abbey of St. Elspeth Citharede is a large abbey in the desert where the followers of Saint Elspeth live. The organisation and abbey were founded in 99 or 100 of the Fifth Age." True? 19:14, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Mahjarrat quote
If you know how to properly cite them... why not do that?? Removing an improper citation is worse than no citation at all. Also... I think my citation gave more information. Fswe said these quotes need to say something about their personality, just citing where the quotes were said do not really give proper context, I don't see why you would remove that. Please... explain that to me. I understand a need for uniformity, but I also think we can divert from that if necessary. (See reference number 8 for example, it has a quote to illustrate the point being made in the text.) 11:45, September 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks :3 I'm afraid I will do so anyway :P 11:59, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

About the quest rework thread you're writing
Hi, Wahi. I'm not sure if you got this message I sent to you in-game, but I heard that you were making a thread about quest reworks. I have been slowly writing a similar thread, and I though to myself that it would be a good idea to ask you if we could co-operate with this thread and write it together (or at least help you with the writing of the thread by providing you with the information I have gathered so far). What do you think about this?

AquaMage2459 (talk) 17:13, September 25, 2013 (UTC)AquaMage2459

Where did u get the Zamorak chathead?????

above the lore
3 october? according to podbean, its 4 october. where did you get 3rd? 04:53, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * link plz? 08:50, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * where is it specifically mentioned in runeradio that it was released in 3 october? 09:05, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * we should use a reliable source, i.e. podbean. we have been using "podbean dates" so far for the other podcasts. and it is easy to check... can i change it back to 4 october, to be consistent with the other podcasts? 09:41, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

realms
damn... I wish we could find it more easily :P cos so far I've only seen stuff that's pointing me at least somewhat to Britain being part of earth  15:23, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

RE:RE:Fusswell Wiki
Suppose you're right... Given that I'm the only one to call you Wahipietel, it must have been me. A pox on me! You could add moustaches though. Like Hreidmar's old one. And a top hat. And a monocle. Well, see you in a week's time! 17:17, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

File:Sliske's Grand Ascendancy Gathering.png
Hey Ben, not sure if you're aware but it is lacking Kharsai =/ 20:09, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Alvis
Is this true? I checked the transcript, but Meike doesn't seem to indicate anything of the sort. 21:06, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I know, I'll get to it some time. SoonTM. 10:37, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros
Isn't part of this like... speculation?
 * "Zaros' city of Senntisten was able to survive for a significant amount of time after his defeat, with powerful Zarosians such as Nex, Azzanadra and Wahisietel protecting it. Azzanadra claimed to use a communion portal to speak with Zaros during this time, however, as Zaros was unable to think clearly, let alone contact Gielinor at the time, Azzanadra may have simply been hearing things that were not really there due to his grief, or simply lying. After the imprisonment of Azzanadra and Nex, Senntisten fell to a combined attack by the Saradominists and Zamorakians, despite Wahisietel's best efforts."

Mostly the bold part, and maybe the italics too. 10:39, October 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I see. But... just out of curiosity, where would we draw the line between a reasonable or accurate explanation and a pure/wild speculation?  12:53, October 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I was still hoping yuo could shed some light on this ^   --  :3 15:20, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Bandos
I don't think he wants to... he doesn't seem to believe Bandos has any sense of humour. If he would agree to your suggestion, he would also agree with me. Because that's, basically, all I'm arguing for. (Btw, Fswe1 convinced me that his sadistic nature should also be added, despite it seeming obvious.)  12:53, October 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, a joke was just an example. I don't really think 'jovial' is the right word, he doesn't really come off as being all that cheerful or friendly, while he does joke on other people's expense - regardless of it being a good joke. 13:33, October 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Bandos also makes fun of the other gods and teases them. Maybe not the best examples... but it's only one quest. If we where to judge the character of any one person on so few lines of dialogue, then idk what we would say of many characters. Regardless, the sources I provided stated clearly he has humour. This is nothing but Fswe not liking that and not accepted that part of the podcast, while he's perfectly fine with the answer about Challem (a question he asked himself and was answered right after the things I cited). 13:51, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Halloween 2006
Were you planning on finishing making the articles for Halloween 2006? 00:22, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Randomness
http://i.imgur.com/eNPUsQd.gif

17:39, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Stop
18:51, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Which thread, and where, and what do you mean??
 * 2) I assume you're referring to this thread?
 * 3) I don't have a tantrum, but by your use of words.. I think you might have one... why?? People have been removing quote the whole time.
 * 4) The Audio files are just the same as the written quotes, idk why you would keep those audio files while removing the written quotes - I was just being consistent.


 * Yes to Moia, no to Kril (I didn't see that one), but added to that, I also had that correction spree (in which I didn't take the time to see if I had PMs or reverts) and also because of the longer history of the adding and removing etc of quotes. I thought I would sort of fix it :3 19:14, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Banner carrier images
Instead of reverting them, you wanna orb them since I can't orb while I'm an easter egg on the ground? --BrenRS (talk) 23:51, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Imps
I mean I'll stand there for as long as you need me to.. to get good angles. The angles I did showed most of the imp and a good portion of the banner. Let me know when you wanna go orbing --BrenRS (talk) 21:26, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

concept art and godhood tiers
from runefest I presume?? xD (btw, just wanted to tell you the citations at the tiers table is now a bit missed up) 13:30, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Mortar
"Mortar" itself isn't used at all during the event. i have only seen "plaster" as a required resource, and i haven't seen "mortar" being used in the event interface. btw, mortar/plaster is combined in the official wiki page. so im wondering if you have seen it being used? 12:53, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * yeah, just realised after i posted this. my bad. :( 13:01, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Burden of Proof lies with FSWE1 - not me
Burden of proof my friend: Fswe1 has to provide proof that the name he gave the World Gate quest = the Fate of the Gods, the only source he provided supported my edit (that they started a World Gate quest). 12:55, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry.. seems I didn't remove enough, that was a small oversight :-/  12:58, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also... tyvm for looking up that quote :3 Much appreciated 13:02, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I thought Srowley was working on the World Gate quest... At least, the AtL thing said so. Guess they gave Fate priority then. Anyway, thanks. 15:08, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * That assumption is correct ;)  17:07, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

World Events
Y u do dis ;-; Talk:Battle of Lumbridge 17:16, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's why those parameters are optional, so they can be filled out when relevant and left out otherwise. 17:58, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * At least one instance - BoL - requires them. Ergo not pointless. 18:57, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * You assume it will stay year 1 forever. This is unlikely. The other parameters are not pointless. "Not worth having because used once" is bogus, because they're optional. 19:25, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we can't be consistent, due to world events varying greatly in nature. The BoL needed battle parameters, for example, a future event might not. There is no universal WE infobox, unfortunately. 19:34, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cabbageth. 19:51, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Barfs Barves Barrows
I'm going to make an RfM for Barrows and Barrows - Rise of the Six if someone doesn't speedy merge it somewhat soon. Want to convince me not to? Oh, alternatively it could be made a subpage of Barrows to avoid having a very long article. 07:25, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Ño Seren proof?
Define: Proof, I think this is a good description: evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement. We know: Looking at the totality of it... it seems undeniable to me that Zaros cannot be the god that changed (the representation of) his gender after being ascended - he never even ascended. Seren did, she seems the only reasonable choice... 09:46, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Seren is said to be ascended, Zaros is said to not be ascended;
 * 2) Both Seren and Zaros are described as crystal (but Seren for a long time);
 * 3) In the quote, the crystal god is described to be ascended, Zaros has never ascended.


 * Sure.. and maybe he as talking about Ocellus.. he was worshiped too, for a moment (by the Church of ascention), and he as those crystals on his body - we have no confirmation what they are, but we assume it's runestones+tears of Guthix. Meanwhile Raven DID mention the work ascension in the context I sketched, hear read it, please.

Clearly this weird crystal god is the exception - only option now Seren. 10:11, November 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * lol, what is this, I can't even... are you relly suggesting that although it is perfectly reasonable to deduce it to that point, but because Raven can troll... we should never assume he's telling the truth: Assume trolling unless proven otherwise? Should we also remove all the other things Ravens aid there?? At any time??  10:21, November 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * " feel free, but it's your fault if it gets proven wrong and the Wiki's reputation for inaccuracy is further justified" *shakes head in palmface* 13:42, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just popped by to tell you: you guys were right, he was joking... he shouldn't do that in FAQs :(  Regardless, you were right ;)  22:28, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Prime
A few problems: That source says nothing about Prime except: Nothing about cheerful or patron...
 * Ben Zoli: 3,Is Brassica Prime a god?
 * Osborne: 3. Yes! But I'm afraid they won't play a part in upcoming story content. I'm sorry!

And if "Deliciousness" is "Probably a joke", why not be as conservative with adding it as we were with Seren's transgenderedness, which was also a "random" "throwaway" comment of a Jmod. This is that double standard (if you will) what I was talking about. 12:10, November 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * If that is so, then that reference should be added, and not the current one. Furthermore, while I completely agree that Prime is 'a joke', he's not a joke . He's given an actual tier, e.g. He should be treated the same. Prime should not be exempt from wiki standards, I think. If we can't add that Zanik means extinction in Check or Nag in Dutch to the Zanik page because her name isn't based on those words (it's mere random correlation), then we shouldn't give leniency like that to Prime either. If Seren needs to have a serious reply-source, Prime needs that too. Otherwise, what's the point of mentioning him at all. We shouldn't add a template above, saying: Note Prime is a joke and no information on this page should not be taken seriously. -- 12:33, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re:BoL
K'ril implies it during MPD. Saradominist victory implies that Saradomin won. The gods becoming weaker/stronger is a minor thing IMO, but feel free to add it. 17:14, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

naragi homeworld
the page is the place you can visit after tww. The place you visit during tww is only a memory of Guthix, not the actual place -- lorewise. The reason you don't unlock music in the actual place is because you already unlocked it during tww, which isn't the same place (it's a memory of the place). -- 15:10, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Family trees
Woo! I made a few others too, like on Thok, Gertrude, Caleb, Baxtorian, Stario, Tolna, Narras... They're cool things once you get used to the template coding. 19:01, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hang on... are you trying to say Thok didn't gave birth to himself? At any rate, knock yourself out. I wouldn't say "Daddy Thok" though, that isn't very encyclopedic. 19:18, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Uhm. No. They were turned into mindless monsters. Well, yes, chaos dwarves are more powerful in the literal sense of the word, but they became his mindless slaves. So yeah, they received "strength through chaos (read: Zamagic)" in a way, but it benefitted only Zamorak and not themselves (fortunately they were able to prevent an utter genocide). Also, extrapolating is funny! 16:12, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * ...in case you're being serious: even if that is what Zamorak teaches (which I dispute, but suppose...), it was completely collateral. They just foiled his plans to turn them into a massive army and lost magic in the process. That made them weaker. Much weaker. The fact that they recovered and replaced the magic does not mean they were made stronger by Zamorak's curse. If they'd never been affected and kept their magic, they'd probably be much stronger (to keep using that word) now. 17:50, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Their society suffered a massive blow. Had they not suffered this blow, they would've been much stronger (in whichever way you want). Remember the Fremennik were powerful and in large numbers. Also, they probably ambushed them but w/e. 17:59, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh? Why wouldn't they have? They might have. 18:58, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly. So they were already very strong. They'd likely have developed it further too. But suppose you're right; them overcoming the curse was very much against Zamorak's goals so they didn't follow his "teachings" at all, otherwise he'd have praised it. 19:25, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Zamorak isn't Seren. He needed an army. He would've done anything to get it. He wouldn't say "Ah, you've beaten my curse. Well done, have some tea and off you go." Even if he would, that would be speculation. And even if what you'er saying about Zammy is true, then he would've only cared about it if the dwarves were his followers (he also likes betraying his followers, but that aside). Why the Zamorak would Zamorak be content with accidentally helping (as you interpret it) helping some random beardy Guthixian midgets? 07:21, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * John A said no. Also, all information on that page is obejective. Nobody is trying to make him look bad (but I do have the feeling some people are trying to make him look good), it's just got the plain truth; he is a backstabbing dirty rat. Moia seems to be an exception - probably because he can use her well. As for that village, he set them on fire. That was a horrible act. If he really wished to make them stronger, he'd used magic to do so or sent over an architect to expand their village or something. Incinerating the village is not an act of benevolence. 12:30, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen, Zammy is all about unlocking potential and gaining power by appealing to darkness within yourself (like here). However, this must be done without any doubt, or he will destroy you. Or something. 12:39, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * It can be concluded by collecting various sources. A lot, actually. However, claiming that the dwarves became stronger due to Zamorak's curse and that was his (secondary) intention is bollocks. If he'd wanted to make them stronger, he'd have used his magic to, you know, amplify their magic, not turn them into monsters. But he didn't. 12:46, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not denying that he believes that (I do think it's nonsense, but that aside). It's even in line with much older sources, like Randa's' diary... thing. However, I am denying that there is evidence Zamorak has ever intentionally acted in accordance to his beliefs. Well, except Moia, although we still don't know what exactly happened with her and Bill. Btw, upload the Bilrach and Safalaan art plox. 17:36, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, utter coincidence. If he'd wanted to help them, he wouldn't have tried to kill them all. And what you mentioned can be said for the opposite; we don't know whether he approved or not that they overcame the curse so we should arguably not mention it at all. And again, we still cannot say they became more powerful due to having been forced to develop technology etc. after losing magic, because they might've become even more powerful if they'd retained magic. Maybe they would've, maybe not. The Imcando dwarves aren't really comparable here due to having "evolved" from the other dwrves over the course of approx. 6000 years. 17:49, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 18:44, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Please review RS:UTP with regards to this edit. Using edit summaries for flaming is not acceptable. Consider this your last warning for such things. I would suggest using edit summaries to explain your changes and why the page was inaccurate instead of fuelling the constant bickering over lorepages.

Template...
If you're uploading any interface images that this template could apply to, feel free to use it. I went pixel by pixel to make some pixels translucent. In other words this is a perfect trans. http://i.imgur.com/s8XQuaK.png Thanks for reading --BrenRS (talk) 05:55, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Random cute
http://i.imgur.com/gWG3WwS.jpg

19:43, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Moar hints
Ooh, look, WGS hints from 15 September 2008. "Shh! It's a secret! So secret that not even the candles knew. But they would look, and they would guess, and red faded to darkness and extinguished the candles of failure. But the red beacon was not alone in its flicker. No, all lights mimicked the one that came before. They took turns being the glowing eye, and now the eye was blue. But that's when Hugixt took it away!"

"But Tighux put his fist down and demons as well as angels flew!"

Might want to add that to this. 13:17, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

table thingy
There are tiers. These tiers have been given a name and number. These are inseperable. Elder gods are always tier 1, not 5 or 3. The characters on those tiers can change, but the link between a tier's name and number cannot. You may have noticed that the table looks a little small anyway. So if we can conserve some space, I think we should do it, especially if they are so linked.

Sure abilities and limitation are also linked to the tier. But that is a description of the tier, while the number and name are the tier. Btw, do you like AnselaJonla's solution too? I would only like to increase the width a little so that tier names aren't pushed together that much... btw, can't the table be made wider all together, there's a lot more space on the right anyway not used by anything. 11:24, November 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * No. Because "name"+"number"="tier", the description(abilities&limitations) are just that: descriptions of the tier, whereas the tier is something else.  11:38, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * idk why you don't see it :P I mean look at the lay out as well, seems like you already know it.
 * It's like this:
 * {|class=wikitable

!colspan=2|Tier !!rowspan=2|Abilities & Limitations !!colspan=2|Gods ! # !!Name !!Current position !!Past position
 * }
 * Not like this:
 * {|class=wikitable

!colspan=3|Tier !!colspan=2|Gods ! # !!Name !!Abilities & Limitations !!Current position !!Past position While AnselaJonla's solution makes it look nicer it doesn't really change the point. -- 11:59, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * }

Ashdale edits
If headings are to be half-capitalised then the style guide should be updated to reflect this - it says to use lowercase apart from the usual proper nouns, etc. Duffmaaan (talk) 11:02, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Common trees
In April 27th, 2013 you added a trivia info on the tree page saying this:


 * There are at least 341,581 standard updated trees in RuneScape.

What did you mean with 'standard updatated trees'... And where this number come from? you gave no explanation or sources for that... For a clan event I am to host I did count every trees on the surface map (contact me if you want me to send you a copy of the details) and there are way less trees that what you say... There are (as of november 5th, 2013) 16 060 trees in runescape and 630 stumps... Even if I missed few or mismath, we are far from your number... And only 2311 of them can be categorised as common tree... I saw you edited tons of stuff so I doubt this was vandalism, but where is the source and what this 'standard updated' expression mean. Proulxs (talk) 12:50, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Voices
I need you to play TDoC and MPD without music and record all voices, including minors like York, Graves, Archibald, the dead elf, etc. But here be the good news: WebCite removed the warning about quitting; perhaps they've reached their goal somehow? 13:45, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dooo itttt 17:16, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * I assume that's for the beliefs section? I recommend:


 * 'twas already a slightly reworded version of yours. :P But I'll let you have this one if you do dem voices. :3 12:29, December 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * EventuallyTM ©2013 15:38, December 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, voices from the BoL people. Ans WE2 too... 15:43, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

RERE
What? Really? That's incredibly stupid. Sorry I have no clue how they've poorly changed summoning. You should reword the sentence I guess. It should still work the way I've set it up with a parameter and all. Summoning pages are a mess anyways.

I'm thinking I could change that parameter to default to "This pouch is created at an obelisk" and having it set to yes mention it needing to be uncharged first.

I don't really feel like adding the uncharged pouch images myself, but I'm not against a parameter for them; I'm against a parameter if no one is going to fill it. wink wink.

Basically, we can still have everything work out properly using that new parameter, right? 22:10, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * So I see the infobox has changed. I do agree this isn't ideal, and I'm certainly not saying this is the solution to end all solutions for the uncharged summoning pouches, but it's a start, right? And now that my mistake has been rectified, it's a good start? Right? Better than the nothing we had before? 17:51, December 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's an easy fix, but not one I'm going to bother trying to make on my iPod (yay for the new "(mobile)" crap in page histories. Suppa, juey, cam, cook - any of them can do this for you, just explain what you need. If it's not done before I'm next on my computer though, I'll get it done. 18:12, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

Words
Autonym and Antonym 17:55, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

well
that was basically Haidro's decision, feel free to read it back on my talk page - at least, how I understood it.

"In the "Normal" section, there will be the current image, the godhood tier 4/5, and the examine info from MPD and BOTD. In the BoL section, there will be the BoL option, both tiers 4/5, and the BoL examine/s."

I don't see why quests would be different... well, maybe you should link me to the decription of the switch template use page. I may well be wrong :P Which may be the root of the problem :P  18:32, December 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Postbag
Zanik, probably, if the thing I wrote to Melville doesn't get in. As for Assdale, it has to be non-canon per Occam's razor, seeing that a holiday, stupidity coupled with omniscience and mass amnesia aren't likely. 15:50, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Lemme put it this way. $$ ((A \or B) \and \neg A) \to B$$ and $$((P \to B) \land P) \to B$$ In this case; $$((contradiction \to not-canon) \land contradiction) \and (canon \or not-canon) \and \neg canon) \to not-canon$$. 17:09, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * But ^. 18:26, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Jagex are never going to admit that considering Mod Goya or whoever doesn't listen to reason about it. That said, we don't need a source because I deducted that whatever contradicts set lore is non-canon using a logically valid argumentation. Maybe we could use it for Magda only (since the existence of the island itself is a decent notion), but the official wiki claims Ashdale is made up of people from Lumbridge (that's right: another lorefail regarding the founding date of poor Lumby) so I fear it may be a massive mush of inaccuracies. You'll know better than I though, since you've sctually played it. :P Aso, xmas bts sounds fun. And Ana's hair is... orange... 18:38, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait... where is it said Ashdale has citizens of Lumbridge and why is that a lore fail?? People can move.  19:26, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Offical wiki article says it was founded by citzens of Lumbridge before Lumbridge was actually founded. 19:43, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * lol, terrible... srsly... probably the worst update ever. Well.. maybe it can be spun into: it was founded by the same people that also founded Lumbridge, the ppl that founded Lumbridge also had to come from somewhere... :-/ 19:41, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * What if Lumbridge has 'always' been there? --Deltaslug (talk) 19:46, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * But the people who founded Lumbridge were Claudius of Misthalin and his vasall Polonius. Not only were they not born yet at the time of Ashdale's (alleged) founding, the king would not have had jurisdiction in the Southern Sea. 09:15, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * idk what you mean with "jurisdiction", don't you mean that the kind wasn't able or aware of (that part of) the southern sea? Also Claudius' ancestors could've founded Ashdale. The term "the people that founded Lumbridge" could be seen as broader than a group of defined individuals, it could be a nation. 13:00, December 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no; "The island on which Ashdale stands was first settled in approximately 1619 of the Fourth Age by emigrants from Lumbridge, who left the mainland is pursuit of a better quality of life." And here. 14:47, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Bandos is right in the sense that the strong rule the weak, right by might is effectively how it works. If that's what you mean with acquiring jurisdiction, then fine. But you cannot have jurisdiction over a place you do not own. If Lumbridge and Ashdale are like India and Claudius is like Britain in this Eddie Izzard sketch (Do you have a flag?), then we agree, but I think you're just using the wrong words. Also, this is from the Lumbridge page: "*In the game, "Armies of Gielinor" on Funorb, the other website by Jagex, in the Saradomin campaign there is a level called "Bridge the Lum" whereby the 6 Barrows Brothers are rejoined. This is definitely a reference to Lumbridge, even though Lumbridge was not around during the Third Age, when Armies of Gielinor is set. See canon. However, it is possible that the stage was set before Lumbridge was founded, where only very small villages existed.". What I mean to say: ppl can live in Lumbridge without it being officially founded by Claudius, sail to Ashdale, live there, then Lumbridge is officially founded. 21:27, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Wikimon
Why did you change the bird link on Armadyl from wikipedia to wikimon? Is this some sort of visual editor glitch or was it intentional?

override component detailed images
how do u get these images? so kawaii... 04:04, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Astral Path
Are you absolutely sure this counts as speculation? Frankly, I can't imagine the Astral Path people being anyone else than the Kethsians. They were more experienced in magic than the Moonclan and the fact that the manual mentions that the stone returned after brining destruction to the realm of the Astral Path people kind of makes it very very very obvious. 19:55, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * They will prevent ruin from befalling the altars, aye. But they describe the ruin as the same which had struck 'the dimension'. I.e. Kethsi. Probably. 20:09, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ambiguous, 'innit? If you read carefully, it could refer to both Gielinor as well as Kethsi, although the grammar would be icky. At any rate, we could at least mention the Astral Path smurfs are 'possibly' Kethsians. 20:24, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Armadyl colours
Armadly's associated colours are listed as "White, pale blue, silver, amber, orange". I have a theory on this that may make sense.

God Wars and before, Armadyl was associated with the colours white, pale blue and silver, for whatever reason. But then Zamorak blasted Forinthry, wiping out the armies within that land, which included the entirety of Armadyl's Aviansie troops, and what he thought was the entire Aviansie race.

But then he returned to Abinnah, found the remnants of the Aviansie there, and he changed his form, his "aspect", to that of the phoenix. And then he returned to Gielinor, after the edicts were lifted, and it is at that time that the colours red and amber came to represent him also.

Is this logical to anyone you? 10:30, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Image
Hi Battleben,

You made a image, but it's wrong:, its located more north west, close the Black knights fortress.

Sorry for my maybe bad English, but I'm Dutch u see.

-- 16:40, December 23, 2013 (UTC)