Talk:Draconic visage

Drop chances.
It is possible to get a clue scroll and a visage in same drop. I just got one about 45 minutes ago. Been working on the clue. Although it was crap..... The clue scroll i got was a 3rd age helm which is still crap.

And I thought I read somewhere that you can get 2 visages in one drop? Since its a bonus drop it is possible, least thats what I've always heard.

13:42, October 19, 2009 (UTC) wtf

The visage can be dropped anytime even when ure not expecting it. its about 1 in 50 chance u will get it and i am stil waiting for mine =] just be patient and it will arive to you!

The best way to get one is not to try. You can kill 1m and not get one or kill 100 and get one its random just kill them for slayer or dragon bones dont think you will get one within 5k-10k kills unless your very lucky. You could get one first kill but the chance of geting one will all ways be 1/10000 even if you have killed 100k all ready.

Hey im just saying i hav recorded my kills i have gotten 6 visages in the past 7 years(Visage has not been around for 7 years rofl.) my first visage i got in 3417 kills my second was at 9872 kills my third 10481 fourth 11981 fifth 16831 and my sixth was at 29341 as u can tell i do camp at iron/steel drags a lot with a cannon and 4 out of my 6 visage drops have been from steel dragons

Drop rate
The drop rate is claimed to be 1/52 - it would be great to have a source on this. Micromal 15:58, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Yep, it's true. I get a visage every two trips there. I make almost 300m a day from them. Nobody else knows about it though, so that's why their prices are at 30m a piece... Go back to lumby newb.

The best source for visage drop rates I know of is at http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?17,18,367,58709495. If you don't feel like reading it, the drop rate is probably somewhere between 1 in 5k and 1 in 10k, but with only 16 logged drops, there's a lot of room for error there. To3cutt3r 15:36, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

You make like 300m a day from visages? Nice lie its likes 1 in 10000 chances of getting one.

Hey, I know this isnt much use, but I just got a dvis <3 after killing maybe 200 irons?

What monster are you killing? i got visage drop solo kbd world 2 i took it to the buy in edge ville and payed 1.6m for a dfs sold dfs bought d claws bandos tassy.

I spent three days killing iron dragons and no visage drops. I didn't even get a dragon platelegs or plateskirt drop. No clue scroll either because I had one in my bank... Just a bunch of rune limbs and javelins. And this was at range 82 so it's not like the kills came that slowly. <-- Kj1611 RS screen name.

Where are you guys talking about??? 1/1500 at steel dragons

Solved
'Ere you go, took it from here.

Amount of kills

 * Black Dragons: 67,768
 * Iron Dragons:43,373 Kills
 * Steel Dragons: 20,282 Kills
 * Mithril Dragons: 5831 Kills
 * KBD: 6040 Kills
 * Skeletal Wyverns: 8547 Kills

Amount of visages

 * Black Dragons: 8 Visages
 * Iron Dragons: 5
 * Steel Dragons: 6
 * Mithril Dragons: 1
 * KBD: 5
 * Skeletal Wyverns: 0

Not rounded

 * Black Dragons: 1/8471,00 (0,01180981%)
 * Iron Dragons: 1/8674,60 (0,011527909%)
 * Steel Dragons: 1/3380,33 (0,029582910%)
 * Mithril Dragons: 1/5831 (0,17149717%)
 * KBD: 1/6040 (0,016556291%)
 * Skeletal Wyverns: N/A (N/A)

Rounded

 * Black Dragons: 1/8500 (0,011764705%)
 * Iron Dragons: 1/8700 (0,011494252%)
 * Steel Dragons: 1/3400 (0,029411764%)
 * Mithril Dragons: 1/5800 (0,017241379)
 * KBD: 1/6000 (0,016666666%)
 * Skeletal Wyverns: N/A (N/A)

Conclusion
The drop rate is very low, what we knew already. The previously stated drop rate was 1/30. THATS A LOT OF BULL. Don't think steel dragons have a high drop rate. 3380 steel dragons is still much. Sometimes you get a visage your first kill, sometimes after 20000 kills... Steel dragons, Mithril dragons and the KBD have a higher droprate; but mention they're much more difficult to kill. -- 18:00, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

visage
this is ridiculous i have killed alot of these and no drops its not cool i need advice208.84.196.130 20:27, April 10, 2010 (UTC)i killed 10 steel dragons and got 3 draconic visages :P

guys i have killed 3023 black drags and still no visage so your stuff on drop rate is a load of crap sorry


 * It is not. Getting it is completely random. You might get two in 10 kills, you might get one in a million kills. The drop rate on the page is just an average. 10:33, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

dude dnt worry i just got a visage on my 3031 kill yay!!!!!!!!!


 * Congrats! What were the chances. We don't have a drop rate on the Black dragon page for visage, it only says "Very rare". What drop rate are both of you talking about??  10:35, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

it was 1 in 3031 :D im so lucky nice 30mil to add to my huge bank and im only lvl 85 70def 88 ranged rofl

GUYS THERE IS NO DROP RATE IT IS RANDOM! drop rates given are averages

omg litteraly 20 seconds after i left that message the dude next to me got a visage worth 33 mil @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@'

So would killing a king black drag make it faster to get one?

just ware a ring of wealth

it increaces the chance to get any and all rare drops on any one thing so its better to increace your chances then to just kill more and the are very cheep like 10k or so i think they may be like 5k but i can kill green drags and get from +50k the usual or +0k the usual so it is random...

ring of wealths increase the chances of getting coins in drops, not rare items.

u cant get dvis's from black dragons so thts a waste of time

You, sir are an idiot. Black dragons drop visages. Next time look at the beastiary at tip.it before you make yourself look like an moron on the internet.

Basically the way it works is, if you go get a lottery ticket say the chance of you winning 1/10000 the next time you get a lottery ticket the chance of you winning is still 1/10000, what im saying is that it is not a set amount of kills before you get a visage it is random. Every kill has an equal chance of having a visage as a drop it does not increase over time. Ring of wealth has no effect on visage as it bonus drop. So therefore No drop rate just random chance of getting drop. It is done the same as getting 3rd age armour from level 3 clue, doesn't matter how many you do you still have a 1/1000 chance of getting the Armour each time. Hope this clears up some confusion. (and no i haven't had a visage before = --- Confirmed by S E I Bs' drop rate guide, the porbability of getting a visage from a black dragon is 1/8500.

04:23, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * There was a postbag comment on how rings work, basically it said that it improved the result once you are on some kind of "rare" table already. It's on this wiki somewhere. Rich Farmbrough, 06:00 23 December 2009 (GMT).

I got a visage after killing 600 iron/steel dragons from an iron dragon. Since then I have killed over 2000 and haven't found one again.

Its all just really luck... =[ killed aorund 10k steels and 5k blacks and maybe 2k irons and no visage...just like how i got 2 dragon legs in 1 trip but thats not too special.

All of you are stupid. Row (ring of wealth) doesnt work because the visage is a bonus drop. The drops rates are based on only a few drops so they are not going to be spot on. And dont go counting your kills thinking that your going to get a visage on the 10,000th kill because the drop rate says so. It doesnt matter if you are on your 1st of 1,000,000 kill, the odds will still be 1/10,000, so the best thing you can do is hope to get lucky!!

09:58, May 9, 2010 (UTC)09:58, May 9, 2010 (UTC)213.164.222.2

Guys, never EVER kill black dragons/steel dragons/mith drags etc. for a visage.

Most people forget that the visage is only a bonus drop, like a little bonus for killing dragons and that it is NOT just a rare drop.

For those who don't know the difference between a bonus drop and a rare drop then here it is:

Rare drop: A rare drop is an item which (usually) takes a long time to get (1/5000 for example) but increases after each kill.

Bonus drop: A bonus drop also takes a long time to get, but unlike the rare drops it does NOT increase after each kill, its random all of the time and it will stay random. You will have to be lucky to get these drops. another example is the Heads drop (abyssal head, kbd head etc.).

Some people can get a vissy after only 3 kills while some have to kill over ten thousand and still not get a visage.

Personally i don't think that killing black dragons for a vissy isn't worth the time, if you need money do something which is profitable, you could for example get 5 barrows helm drops in the time you're busy getting a visage without any success.


 * Based on what we know from Jagex, drop chances for each item are constant, and do not change over time (unless Jagex purposely changes them).

A rare item is simply something you don't get often. A bonus item is dropped separate to other drops, much the same way charms and clue scrolls are. Items can be both. 16:46, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

visage ='[ with a tear in my eye
i have killed over 12 thousand iron dragons and used over 6 mills worth of pots, this is rediculous. has anybody got any tips for me? i.e. a different dragon or my own personal jesus? if u can help me out a lot more than just this chat add me on RS im (zhao yun 260) without brackets lol =] Idiot.

only iron and steel dragons drop vissage so smd

lmao your the idiot all accept green and blue and red and bronze and brutal green drags drop it..
 * Be nice. 17:09, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

blue and red dont drop it dude...

Black dragons can.

I killed 17000 steel dragons and 4000 iron dragons, never had draconic visage drop

I Got a Visage on my 7th kill at Black Dragons, for my slayer task, now when i go their i expect to get one, before i didn't even know black dragons dropped them, so you get more stressed when you dont get one if you expect one, which is why it is right not to expect to get one, that way you wont be dissapointed that you didn't! :)

my loots
i got d legs then d skirt then d med in 100 days i thkn it is all random
 * i thkn it r randm 2. -- 01:55, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

the way for a visage.. like i got mine... is to be this faking faking up off trying to get one and think thats my last run .... then i got mine in the next kill rofl


 * I have no idea what you just said... Quest_Cape_HQ.png Suppa chuppa Questicon.PNG 21:05, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I typically get 1 d skirt or pants per week. Those seem pretty common among the rare drops.

Visage Drop/Ring of Wealth
reading over the board i noticed that at least two ppl were mistaken about about the effect of the ring of wealth, it does effect rare drops not just coins but it does not effect"extra drops" an "extra drop" is something that is separate from the monsters actual drop such as charms. just wanted to point that out guys ya ive been at iron/steelies for a a lil over a week now and still no vissage altho i did get a few skirts this does not seem worth the effort. i can be there for more than 2 hours per trip sometimes killing as many as 45 dragons using as many as 500 bolts and most of the time after re-buying bolts and pots im only gaining a profit of 50k as anyone knows dragon bones being what they are now you can easly make 100k every 15 mins or so at green dragons. so maybe i should just stick with that but just the thrill of knowing that i have a chance of getting a vissage keeps me here waisting time lol well anyway 1/52 seems hardly believable even as an average... most ppl i know have killd 1000+ b4 there first and no one i know has gotten it b4 killing atleast 500

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peace Please dont put '1/52' in peoples heads. Its harder to get a bronze full helm than that! The real ratio is 1/8500 for black dragons, so its nearly impossible, but keep trying and you may get a visage.

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don't waste your time
seriously, why spend like 3 months hoping to get a visage when you can just earn the money and buy one, 35m isn't alot. i got my dfs from running double nats for a week. (you don't need 91 rc just request assist in w36)

lol what the guy said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^, it might work bucuse they will do it for free becuz they will get a lot of exp.

dont waste ur time
but y do that when u can get a skill up which can help u later on?

IMPORTANT TIP: DROP RATE IMPROVES LOADS IF YOU SPEAK TO THE GUY NORTH OF EDGE BANK WHO IS PART OF DRAGON SLAYER QUEST
 * Good luck proving that. 12:03, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but runescape specifically said that there is no way of improving the drop rate for them "including" talking to Oziach (guy from dragon slayer) the chance is as random as getting a clue scroll. sorry man but you were misinformed, or just have some issues with telling the truth

NO YOU CANNOT GET 2 VISAGES IN 1 DROP
Simply because Visage, is a bonus drop, therefore it is 1 item that is added to a main drop. So you can get like Dragon platelegs + Visage in same drop, but you cannot get 2 bonus drops if u know what i mean.

for all you people who say it is'nt possible to get Draconic visage from black dragons read this:

The Draconic visage is a very rare drop from black, iron, steel, and mithril dragons, as well as Skeletal Wyverns, and the King Black Dragon.

or who say that you can get a better chance by using a ring of wealth well:

The Draconic visage is a "bonus" drop. This means that it is included in a dragon's main drop, and it is never the main drop itself, meaning it can be dropped as well as another item, such as the Dragon platelegs. As such, it has been confirmed by Jagex, that the visage is NOT affected by the Ring of wealth. It is unknown whether the drop rates are different for each monster.

Visage
As everyone has said before Visage is completely random. I jsut started ranging black dragon an hour ago and I got a viage on my 18th kill on a black dragon. Never killed them a day in my life then Bam. Visage. my friend has a video of 2 visage drops in 11 kills. Yet some people will kill 100,000 and never get one. It's all odds... 1/100,000 or 1/10,000 doesn't matter. Even if you kill that ammount you are still not guarenteed a drop. You kill one and your odds are right back at square one again as if you had killed none.

Ritsu

Y A N K M E Responds

True but not true, Yes your odds are the same each kill, but killing none means 0/1 chance of getting lol. So the more you do kill the more likely you are to earning one, but yes the odds are stacked against you, but when you do not there is no chance. Best bet is to simply go to steels or irons for decent charm drops, easy afk'ing and getting your prayer up while doing so, plus you always come back with more money if you range, I think i get a dragon drop at least 1/5 trips, so on top of rune drops, charms, dragon bones, you have a more normal chance of dragon drops, and a rare bonus drop of visage.

FACTS RELEASED BY JAGEX:

ring of wealth does not affect bonus drop, only the rare drop of a monster. (visage is a bonus drop, as stated by jagex)

pretty much do what you want, and have fun..if you try to hard you will be upset, coming from someone who killed 4k steels (i didn't count irons) but i went from 43 pray to 60 pray down there! lol

The part that bothered me most was that my friend whom i showed the way down to the dragons got a visage in 3 kills..after killing so many, that was upsetting, but is the odds.

Y A N K M E on rs

Its funny, but i guess that the more you kill the more likely you will get a visage, because the porbability stays the same but the fact that you kill the dragons makes the difference.

Ring of Wealth: Works on Visages?
Guys, jagex has confirmed that wearing a Ring of Wealth will NOT increase your chances of getting a visage.
 * Could we have a screenshot? He has knocked four times. 22:54, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Heres my theory on visages: if you want to, go ahead and try :) sure the odds are against you but hey.. even if you dont get one just bank your bones and youll still make profit, and range exp, (or melee if you meleeing.. i suggest range tho) if your lucky, then bam, visage, if not, then you get exp. either way its win/sorta win.

i got my visage after 2 years of not playing RS =P got on RS asked a friend for the quickest way to make some money and he pointed me to black drag =) so my first 15 kills i got one =)

Factual correction
The ring of wealth betters all drops and more of them. There is people who has tried for months to even get one. There is people that got one on there first kill. Get a ring of life and have a iron, steel, mith, or black dragon slayer task, it helps. The drop rate is around 1/1000 kills. It doesnt mean you could get it in 1000 kills though. It is very close to the drop rate of a d chain. It is completly random. It is said that the chance of getting a visage is the same as the chance of the evil god Zamorak giving up his evil ways. Lose hope, dont lose hope. After this I hope it is clear to you. You cant go in there and expect one.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Drop rate
I am wondering whether we should use this thread as a reliable source so that we could have an estimate of what the drop rate of the visage would be. I couldn't find any other drop log threads with a very large (20,000+) drop sample, so it is rather hard to confirm these figures. I do think however that it is a reasonably reliable thread, where you would have to manually show them your visage drop before they add it. It also has the advantage of having hundreds of thousands of recorded drops.

I think that we should use it. What does anybody else think?? 09:27, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sicne nobody has commented in nearly a week, I will take that as a vote of silence. I might add the links if nobody else comments in the next 24 hours. 04:24, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Self knowledge on visage drops
All visage drops are simply a matter of chance and luck, there isn't a fixed drop rate and it is never guaranteed that a certain number of drops will get you a visage (maybe if you killed 1,000,000,000,000,000 mithril dragons might insure you getting it). I've played for years and self searched for the visage as a drop, killed every known dragon type Runescape has confirmed to drop it. Black dragons, Iron dragons, Steel Dragons, King Black Dragons, and Mithril Dragons. I've killed thousands of Black Dragons and several hundred Mithril Dragons. I still have not attained a single visage drop. All I can suggest is go for the Mithril Dragon and at least in your attempts, you may earn yourself a Dragon Full Helm. Along with other high value drops that could may as well total up to the amount you need to buy your own Dragonfire Shield.

Again, it is all luck and nothing more. Nothing increases the chance, nothing decreases it (outside of fighting ones that don't drop it like Green Dragons, durp). Good luck to anyone out there searching for it. Still searching for mine.

do u guys go to math? every runescape drop is "random" (except for bones and 100% stuff like that). every item must have a ratio that jagex has plugged in. if the ratio for a visage is 1/10000 then that mean if u kill 10000 you sshould get a visage somewere in those kills. if you kill 9999 and say well the odds are ill get a drop next kill.... your wrong. when you look at it as a single kill it will always be 1/10000, but if you look at it as a whole then it will be you will be sure to get one before you reach 10000. btw kbd is way to go if u want visage...just sayin

That's a common misunderstanding. If an item has a 1/10,000 Drop Rate, it doesn't mean you'll get it in 10,000 kills; it means that every kill, you have a 1/10,000 chance of getting it.

well maybe it would be more senceful to say 0,01% this means if u got this chance on a visage at every kill if u see it as an individuum

but f u ever heard something about stochastic u must know this :

if u look at the chances in the whole system ur first drag has two choices too drop: 0.01% drop it and 99.99 to not drop it.

now if u kill the second one the chance not to get it 2 times in a row is 99.99 x 99.99 which would make a chance of like 99.985 not to get it 2 times in a row.

so the propability of not getting a visage 1000 times in a row is 90% which makes the chance to get one 10 %....


 * What you say is true. But please, please: spelling? Quest_Cape_HQ.png Suppa chuppa Questicon.PNG 21:04, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

A mate of a mate of mine has gotten 2 visages, when i heard that the guy was cb 132.

The drop rate is better the higher lvl the drag is, steels hae 1/1500 drop rate, irons have 1/10000 etc.

the chance of getting it is the same on each kill so you have 1/10000 chance each time you kill iron drag. if you kill 10000 iron drags there is still a 1/10000 chance on your 10001 drag. its like if you buy 100 lottery tickets you will have a 100 times greater chance of getting it than if you buy one but once youve looked at 99 tickets the last ticket only has the same chance.

The Ring of Wealth does NOT affect the drop rate of the Draconic visage, Godsword hilt, Dragon chainbody, Dragon full helm, Spirit sigils, King Black Dragon Heads, or other unique drops. It only affects the items on the rare drop table. (go to the rare drop table...this was taken from the "Trivia" section)

Drop Rate for each Drag/Wyvern
So if I understand this correctly, since the drop rate on a visage is completely random like you guys say it is, everyone has the same chance of getting a drop on their first Bronze Dragon as their first Mith Dragon. Doesn't seem like that should be the case.75.30.194.117 21:52, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, what completely random means that each kill on a certain type of dragon has the exact same probability of resulting in a visage drop regardless. The ring of wealth, among other things does not affect the drop rate. Completely random merely means that it's uninfluenced by any factor other than the pure chance of the "drop wheel" landing on the visage. However, I do think that the chance of the drop differs among the dragon types, though I am not certain. --Suppa chuppa 01:53, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

I bet when it comes out *cough2013cough* the Dragon dragon will drop the visage ;) Coelacanth0794 01:55, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Lol. There isn't even an Adamant dragon yet. So have fun waiting for a Dragon one. --Suppa chuppa 01:57, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

NP, hope you do too :) Coelacanth0794 20:37, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Can you even imagine how hard it would be to kill a dragon dragon... seriously... lol...what level is it gonna be? 1599? gawd...

Well ive been reading this.. because im level 121..and ive made and lost millions on this game.. and i wonna get lucky for once.. insted of powering, so am blipped up.. chillen at black D's an it came to me, (all this talk about drop rates)... what about it jagex do it differently?? what if they put like.. a certain amount of drags with vis drops?? like.. when 1000 drags is killed.. 1 is added with a vis?? or something.. the odds would change dramatically obviously. But wtf.. why cant they just give me one.

Oziach Cant Hurt?
i killed about 400 iron dragons then i had to go restock. i happend to have a glory charged on so i went to edgeville. while there i talked to oziach because i heard about the drop rate. i talked to him and the next morning after i logged on, 4th kill i got a visage. everyone says not to talk to the fat bald guy that sels rune platebodies but it doesnt hurt.

No it cant hurt, but it cant help either since it has been confirmed by jagex that nothing can affect the drop rate for a visage. This includes Oziach, ring of wealth, and numberous kills. It is true however that the higher the dragons level, the more prone to rare drops they are.

Is it worth the time?
hi guys i was wondering if it is worth my time and money too kill these dragons i need too know if i should. please comment.yo

noobs

Am I lucky or what?
First task of steel dragons ever and I got a visage... sold it, bought claws :D

killed about 400 irons and got one

I kill stole a visage before
I was at black dragons leveling my range and collecting black dragonhides battling over who gets the next dragon. the person next to me attacked the dragon and got it to 70% but then got attacked by the chaos monks guy thats there(this was back when he would attack, now he doesnt) he told me i could take his kill so i did and got a visage. =) that was after about 5 runs of black dragons so... in my oppinion its completely random no guaruntee.

black drags
Dont use ring of wealths they dont help i just got a viage today may 1st 2010,and i didnt have one and after just 7 kills i got one.=D

well i in fact got my only visage first trip 8th kill black dragon's so its all luck noring of wealth's gonna help you get it keep your head up and go get it(:

Black Dragons are annyoing
So I've killed over 200 black dragons now counted as my slayer task were there. Still no visage :o

Yeah I know it's sad :/ I'm so upset but made over 2m from bones and hides :D

The Great Visage Mystery
I have killed thousands of every dragon. Most combat skills I have raised through the slaying of dragons.

All I can say is I have never got anything better than a Dragon Plateskirt.

I always use RoW as it still increases other drop rates.

Just quit trying so hard. All the dragons I killed made me a ton of cash without a single visage.

Lucky drop
I got a vissy from kbd on kill #13. GL all!

I GOT VISAGE IN MY FIRST KILL OF IRON DRAgon 07:42, May 27, 2010 (UTC)07:42, May 27, 2010 (UTC)~ weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!