Talk:Guthix/Archive 1

Changing "It" back to "He"
I really hate reading this article about Guthix when it refers to him as an it. All of the other gods refer to him as a he, so why can't we? Even though Guthix is considered genderless, I think we still should refer to him as a "he." My friends and I all agree that reading this article with it is just making it too complicated and way too hard to read. Could we please change it back? 67.61.129.127 01:16, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Additionally there is some ambiguity because while in the article Guthix is called an "it" on the side bar the gender is listed as "male." No matter which is the correct one, the two should be made to say the same.

04:34, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

How can we change his gender in the side bar then, everything should be proper then

I believe his gender should be switched back to male for the sake of readability. Reading "It" and "Its" all the time is such a pain, and even on RuneScape he is refered to as "he". For the love of god, someone change those "its" back to "his", noone cares if it doesn't seem neutral.

"It" is largely considered rude to use in reference to people. "He" is the generally accepted gender neutral term, so it should be that anyway.


 * For the love of which god, not Guthix I hope, for it would not like your idea. More importantly I don't see what the problem is with the word 'it'. Even creatures that do have gender are referred to with it if their gender is unknown, as seen in the following example. "She took the baby and held it in her arms." And as for other nouns that can be referred to with 'it' that you might be confused with, anaphore resolution is a normal part of any language, you can't avoid it. When changing 'it' to 'he' there will no doubt be male nouns that you'll get confused with. The following sentences are an example of the need for anaphore resolution. "Saradomin depises Zamorak 'cause of his chaotic ways." "Saradomin despises Zamorak 'cause of his desire for order." 17:58, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Since the release of The World Wakes it kind of makes the whole "Genderless" thing redundant and pointless, especially since the God letters were a while ago now and personally never really considered the God letters canon since there is such thing as a "retcon" and was never established in-game or in a novel. We now know for certain of Guthix's gender, both as a diety in the physical form he assumed while slumbering, and his original race as a mortal concludes that he is indeed male, not to mention that we don't refer to any other God as an "it", we refer to them by gender. So what's the point? 16:42, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Guthix's Animal
I think a part of this is wrong, Guthix's animal surely isn't the sheep? sardomin's is the sheep, try going into sara portal of castle wars with some zamorak items on. 13:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Guthix said in the GOd Letters that its a sheep, plus, going through Sara Portal turns you into rabbit, its Guthix that makes you a sheep. Guthix states that the sheep has "Hidden Power" that we dont know about.....

Hm 189.5.126.16 18:34, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Desires make you genderless?
I don't think Guthix's desires for equality make him genderless, I think its the fact that it has no gender... felinoel ~ (Talk) 18:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

And Guthix doesn't have a symbol. People chose that squiggle, not Guthix.blah 23:22, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

If you say Guthix is genderless I believe you are mistaken, you see, guthix is not genderless but has a total balance of both genders.

The gender of Guthix is not relivent. However, Male terms are to be used in refrence to Guthix because Male terms also can be used to refrence bolth as a whole. Hence, the use of the term "Mankind" being corect and "Womankind" being non-existant. Unless you would rather that we call Guthix "it" all the time, I think we should go on that rule. 12:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

So.. He's a hermaphrodite! I mean it. I mean whatever. Fgyti 10:30, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

g ods and g oddesses do not reproduce. They can be neither male nor female... 99.88.147.175 05:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

An infertile being may still have gender, especially in a world where mortals can ascend. However, Guthix has itself said that it can be seen as both male and female and at the same time neither, since it is beyond the perception of what we refer to as gender. It also has no race, and in fact not even a native form. I think with this Guthix means that it does not care how it is referred to or perceived as. For the article we got to choose something though. And 'it' seems the least biased to me.As for the reference to mankind above, I've always assumed it is short for humankind. As for hermaphrodite, Hermaphroditos was born as male, so that's perhaps why we use male references for him. 13:50, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Guthix is the only indigenous god of Gielinor
No he is not, try reading the God letters, he came from somewhere else, saw Gielinor and deemed it not worthy enough, changed the enviroment and gave it new life (while most definitely killing off the old life) felinoel ~ (Talk) 18:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

No felinoel you are absolutely wrong. Guthix did not eradicate the the old life, thewre wasn't any life on Gielinor when Guthix arrived. So Guthix did not kill anyone. And Guthix does not believe in equality, he is the symbol of equality. He is genderless and ageless. He's neither a he of she, but He can be used as a title of respect where gender is indefinite. He is simply Guthix. 13:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Is it possible that the TzHaar were on Gielinor before Guthix arrived? It seems to me like they were already there. [[File:Ancient talisman.png‎]]  Oli4burggraa  Talk[[File:Runecrafter hat y.png‎]]  13:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

They were created when Guthix created the volcanoes of Karamja and Crandor. 09:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

it still says guthix is the ony indigenous god which is WRONG. im changing it 10:02, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Jas is [maybe] an indigenous god(dess), Guthix said itself, that it found it and further shaped it. Leon Art 10:35, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

The TokHaar lived in Gielinor before guthix came when the elder gods were there. -ttjlife

Altars
Are there any Guthix altars In RuneScape?--

NuparuMahnika 04:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Depends if you count Stone circle as one. 04:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Other than that?-- [[File:Summoning-icon.png‎‎]] NuparuMahnika  [[File:Falador shield 2.png‎ ]] 04:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * POH altars. Other than that, I don't think so. 04:34, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually yes, there are two. The Stone Circle definitely counts as one, and I believe the Nature Altar does as well. So you could argue that there is one, but I would say two, most definitely. Asparagoose 23:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure if that's the one you meant or if you meant the rc one but the Altar of nature, inside the Nature Grotto. 17:37, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I believe in one of the letters to the Gods it was revealed to be pronounced as gunx or something. someone should look into that.
 * It says that it would be impossible to say it in our tongue, and the closest way to pronounce it is (i think) Guh-thicks.Ur Just Jealous §§§§§§§ 23:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

If you read the letter properly, it says that gunx is only the senders own way of pronouncing it. Its Guh-thicks. 13:43, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Guthix as original god.
Where does it state that Guthix is an indigeonous god of Runescape? I think in meeting history he makes reference to the fact that the elder gods left before he could remeber, wouldn't this mean he arrived like the other gods??

you are correct, but in one of the god letters it says hits the only 'true god', or something

Funorb and involvement in god wars?
Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere on the article that funorb contradicts history by having guthix involved not to mention having races fight for him whose articles state the they weren't involved?


 * Uhm, then why don't you add that to the article? 23:41, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, are you saying that it's innacurate that he is involved or that he isn't? I've not played it.
 * Wait, are you saying that it's innacurate that he is involved or that he isn't? I've not played it.

many people make fun of guthix
think it's worth a section? i mean, even tehoobshow was in on it. i dont see how haedbanging against a wall, secreaming random stuff isn't making fun of him.

The reason tehnoobshow made Guthix the comedy relief character was because they needed one. Saradomin and Zamorack were the best known gods of the time of the first episode, and making one of them retarded would piss a lot of people off. Guthix was just the natural choise. I really don't believe that deserves a section sense it isn't canon. 67.61.129.127 01:12, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Armadyl to Saradomin transition
"This idea of peaceful transferral of power between Armadyl and Saradomin is fairly unfounded, as both Armadyl and Saradomin were around at the same time, and their followers can be seen battling each other in the God Wars Dungeon. If Saradomin and Armadyl fought each other - albeit through followers - any idea of peaceful power transferral is unlikely to be true, despite Saradomin's assertions in one of the God letters that he and Armadyl were allies."

This statement is quite contradictory to what is experinced in game. while in the god wars dungeon the armadyl and saradomin followers will never attack each other..."and their followers can be seen battling each other in the God Wars Dungeon." What are your thoughts on the transition? and can we change this statement.

Bakinblak009 05:20, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think armadyl pretty much just quit on Gielinor (and let saradomin take over), when his avaiansies were destroyed in the godwars (or most of them anyways.) -- 05:23, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

That is what I remember hearing as well. Do you think the article should be changed to remove the fighting and instead replace it with what you said? Bakinblak009 05:49, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Juvinada for making the change. Bakinblak009 20:30, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

There was no transition at all. Both reigned simultaenously, and both left at the end of the third age - albeit one was 'cause of the edicts, and one because he had no-one left. :P

Guthix not in God Wars
I can't believe Guthix didn't particpated in the God Wars

Braitling1 07:05, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Guthix simply created the world of Geilonor, and then went into a long slumber. Afterward, Zaros came and took over much of Runescape. However, Zamorak, who was a Majharrat general to Zaros at the time, betrayed him and banished him, becoming a god himself. This and the arrival of Bandos prompted the God Wars, which raged for thousands of years before Guthix woke up and quieted them. You could say that Guthix just slept through the whole thing :D 18:16, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

The Nature Staff
Is the Nature Staff really affiliated with Guthix? I don't see how Nature runes = Nature God. And if they do, we might as well add Nature runes, Nature talismans and Nature Tiaras. 08:19, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Obvious Lack of Continuity
There are several instances where Guthix is referred to as "it," and several others where it is referred to as "he/him." We should pick a street, here - the lack of continuity just makes this article feel lower-quality. Zack Buster 03:59, August 17, 2010 (UTC)




 * Your links look scary, so I'm not going to bother with them if you don't mind. RE Guthix's gender - we'd first have to decide which pronoun to use. It's never really clear in-game what exactly Guthix is. He's not a man so "he" wouldn't be correct, but he's not a thing, so neither is "it". (Obviously I think saying "him" would just be easier). There's my 2 cents. 04:03, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Guthix is a He
That old lady stated so in Meeting History. Why does the article say that Guthix is an it?Red Dog31 22:40, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

She thought Guthix was male because Guthix appeared to her in the form of a human male. 13:55, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

guthix and creation
I think guthix is the elder and most powerful from the gods as he got all control of them in the god wars(exept zaros) the powers of guthix are quite extraordinary, in fact when he saw the shape of gielinor only as a shape (just like one of the elder gods left it probably jas) there was no life there until he came (with exeption of dragonkin) he was the one who created anima mundi and all life and nature. I personaly think that guthix is more powerful than zaros and I even think that the opposite creatures that resemble guthix are the mahjarrats (since thay are gifted with war staragies and destruction). I also think that the avatar (player) is under the god guthix since when Juna listens a quest you made he\she tell you that you brought balance to that certain quest. Guthix in my opinion is male because in meeting history his human form is a male form.

Guthix isn't indigenous!
Guthix found this plane... how much less indigenous can you get? I believe it said that his first form was a butterfly, but I can't confirm this 'cause I'm too intoxicated. Definitely not native. And definitely not the only... Seren is native... she is one of the delicate races, who are aspects of the anima mundi.

Guthix's neutrality color
red and blue equals purple right? Two of Guthix's colors would be black and white.If he is on to those colors,why is he not favoring gray?

Gillstar45 01:13, December 1, 2010 (UTC)Kim_kid34Gillstar45 01:13, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

what happended to the article
IT seems to consist of a a long ass lead, a section explaning the three divisions of the religion (one of which i have no memory of existing elsewhere) and then a long list of trivia.

Seems to be on a lower quality/style then the other god pages. --jakezing 22:08, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Guthix statue in the POH chaple 'seems to be male'
But what does the examine info say? The examine info of the statue in the mage arena says: 'I wonder if this is an accurate depiction', or something like that - so I've heard. Since Guthix is said to be genderless, and there's an overtly male bias, wouldn't it be a good idea to check that too, en inplement it?

Guthix and Seren (and the Edicts of Guthix)
Seren's allignment/alliance is the Anima Mundi, soul of the world (?). And to make it short: I honestly don't really know why Guthix would have banend her from Gielinor. They seem to have many things that are compareably and compatible. Guthix cried when he saw (t)his world broken up by the God wars, and besides having at least a similar affinity for 'nature'/(t)his world, Seren's followers also intervened in the God wars in a way Guthix might have approved. So, it would not seem she would be a risk for balance. She could even be seen as an entity to help the balance. So did she leave out of free will and political correctness? Or did Guthix ban her too, out of a form of political (theological) correctness? She sealed the Great Libary, so did Guthix gave her some time to do this. And if he did, did he gave the others the same opportunity..? I heard Guthix met with the Elves in the beginning of Gielinor, was Seren a friend or favourite? They must have some like-mindedness. And I suspect much bigger than the like-mindedness between Armadyl and Saradomin. Can ony-one shine light on this?
 * Maybe Seren left on her own, not sure but Guthix banned every god of significant power, Guthix has no alignment so probably no favourites, it left Gielinor itself as well I think. Btw, Seren isn't native either, not sure if that's worth mentioning. Also, maybe she hasn't left at all, since it is often mentioned she is present in all elf crystal. She may have something to do with the creation of the Anima Mundi so maybe there is some alliance between her and Guthix, but I don't think so. I've also seen mention of Seren leaving before the Godwars started so maybe only her creatures fought in it and not herself. 19:20, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * It was already proven that Guthix and Seren were close friends, and both had agreement of how both seen life, Seren had never left, was also stated in the Q&A forum in rs.Kinglink15 (talk) 03:52, March 29, 2013 (UTC)Kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 03:52, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Bit of a contradiction?
The article starts with "Guthix (pronounced "Guh-thicks"[1] ) is the god of nature, tranquility and balance." However, in the very same paragraph, it is stated "A misconception about Guthix is that It is the god of peace/tranquility. This is false, however, as It is only the god of balance." As it stands, the article is contradicting itself, no?
 * Indeed. It'd be great if someone could find some references to fix that. 05:26, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, and, I found it. I just don't knw how to edit it. http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/God_Letters_Issue_25 Guthix is the god of Balance, not even Nature. But of course: DISC''LAIMER: The views of Guthix do not reflect the views of Jagex Ltd or its employees. We tried to prevent him giving away our secrets, but he is a god.''
 * Q: What does guthix stand for or mean? A: It stands for balance. It means my name.
 * Q: Which is better range or mellee or magic? & Which do you practice? A: Thy question is flawed, for it depends entirely upon circumstance. & I practice nothing except the concept and pursuit of balance.
 * Why is the color of your rune Guthix armor green? Is it for nature? A: Green was the colour chosen by the armourer to honour me with.

Leon Art 10:37, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Also, in the same issues he says that green was chosen for him, but no-where can i read that the other colours that are said to be alligned with Guthix, are actually aligned. I can't find anywhere that they say white, black or even cyan/turquoise-lik eon the Guthix cape, is 'officially' its colour, only green.

Quote, http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/God_Letters_Issue_25 : In the past certain of my followers have created their own symbols to honour me, for although it seems improper to possess such a symbol in mine own eyes, I dictate not to mine followers how best to proceed other than to guide them in the ways of balance. I wouldst prefer mine followers to bring me honour in their actions, not in their apparel.

Leon Art 10:56, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing while Guthix hasn't chosen a colour or symbol, and in fact doesn't even require any followers unlike most other gods. Their followers have agreed on certain symbols and colours to recognize each other and it is there that they originate from. Since Guthix's tears are one of the things that left a permanent mark on the earth maybe that's how the symbol was chosen. I even wondered sometimes why Guthix even has a name, for a deity that does not require followers does not need a name. 19:37, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've removed instances of Guthix being aligned with nature. Regarding his color, I found this on the link you provided: Question - "Why is the color of your rune Guthix armor green? Is it for nature?" Guthix's answer - "Green was the colour chosen by the armourer to honour me with." Therefore, I think Tharkon is right in saying green is just what RuneScape humanity has given him. 19:42, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I'm not mistaking, in the same issue Guthix says that his name isn't really a name but something that discribes him the best, as it simply means balance, but in a way we are able to pronounce it. Suggesting that Guthix/or the gods in general has somesort of own language..? THanks for removing btw!
 * True, but why would he need to be described? Guess it wouldn't be fun if we didn't know about him but we don't know much about the elder gods either, probably cause they don't derive power from followers either. Maybe Guthix secretly does need followers but doesn't want anyone to know? I'm going beyond the scope of RuneScape knowledge now though so never mind that. 13:56, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesnt need to be described, but we humans like to name things, since Guthix doesnt really have a name, It/it chose to do the next best thing, giving us a word that allows us to describe It/it the best. I thought I read somewhere that Guthix doesnt need followers, but that he does gets power of Gielinor's life itself... but im not 100%


 * Unless there is evidence to the contrary, there isn't currently enough information regarding the gods of RS to determine how Guthix (or any other god, for that matter) recieve/maintain their power. It's presumptuous to say that the gods recieve power from their followers--especially because there is more evidence against that than for it (Zaros being the main crux to that argument). But to get back on topic, Guthix seems to let himself be defined by the people that worship him. As it happens, the people who worship Guthix choose to identify him with his iconic symbol, the colour green, and a general affinity with nature. It would make sense for Guthix to draw power from death as well as life, but that's just speculation. 67.5.240.130 16:04, January 4, 2013 (UTC)Anonymous

Capitalisation of pronouns
As far as I know pronouns are not capitalised unless at the beginning of a sentence, yet someone has capitalised the word 'it' (in reference to Guthix) in the article. I was wondering what the reasoning behind it is before I start an edit war. 13:56, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'd further like to mention not all pronouns referring to Guthix are capitalised. 13:59, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

I saw it too, I had the idea that it was for readability. Sometimes we use capitals for gods, like God. To make it clear we're talkign about that deity. Especially with genderlessness, the word it could cause confusion, capitalised seems more clear to me. That's why I followed up on the 1st few capitalised It's. (But idk who started it) Leon Art 14:16, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Anaphore resolution is needed in many cases, and never seems to be a problem or have a solution like capitalisation. I don't think god is capitalised, in English only proper nouns are, and the pronoun I. 10:18, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really understand what you mean with the 1st part. But about that god-thing. They do write god with a capital g when it's refering to a christian god, God. It's non-capitalised when it's a non-specific god. THey also write it with a capital h when they say His will, or what ever, similar to HH, His Holiness, the Dalai Lama. So it is used. Leon Art 18:51, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Weird, I certainly wouldn't. They only have one and haven't even bothered giving it a name. But before this gets into a religious discussion I'm gonna step out. 22:27, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha, yes, if you really would like to know, then it certainly becomes a religious discussion - which are also very fun, in my opinion ;) Btw, this Guthix talk, basically is the same discussion, only on digital religion xD 83.163.195.89 11:53, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Affiliated Items Change
Can somebody please move Druidic Mage Robes from to the Affiliated Miscellaneous Items section to the Affiliated Magic Items section as their very description says that they're worn by followers of Guthix and are therefore more closely affiliated with Guthix than all the other Fist of Guthix items. 118.209.68.11 13:06, July 18, 2011 (UTC) Anonymous

Position Guthix: God's-sovereignty & subject/property
I would like to know if some-one has more data/thoughts on this matter: What does Guthix think about humans not doing his bidding What does this say about Guthix (and Its attitude towards similar blaspheming humans, that do not follow It)? Ignorance, carelessness/indifference, lenience/mercy or something else?
 * When doing the Meeting history quest, it is revieled that Guthix brought the humans to Gielinor.
 * It also told us Guthix set up a few rules. Some the humans did not abide to these (unfortunately I can't completely recall the rules).
 * Nevertheless, humans did not continue to follow Guthix, and worked agaisnt the equilibrium.
 * After The Chosen Commander quest, when the player talks with Juna about Zanik (& Bandos), she says:
 * Mortals are the property of the gods when brought here (Goblins, inlcudling & especially, Zanik need(s) to do what Bandos wants them/her to do).
 * Betraying one god is betraying all gods (also the r Property_subjects.jpg eason why all gods joined against Zamorak in the 1st place, after a mere mortal defeated/banished a god).



21:12, August 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Guthix is bound by its own eddicts I believe, only intervening when it's really necessary. I think its mostly trust. Guthix trusts in the fact that for every evildoing human there is a gooddoing human somewhere else. 01:22, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I admit: interesting thought. But, not really what I was asking ;-P 10:37, September 8, 2011 (UTC)