User talk:SamRosenfeld/Countdown to 99

Pre Season 3
I have archived Season 2 here. I have archived the Season 2 Talk Page here. I have also announced Season 3 on the main page. It will take place from September 4th to December 11th. Signup here. SamRosenfeld 02:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Sam. Let me know if you want them protected and/or if you want me to keep the contest up-to-date. A few more ideas of 'special awards' (courtesy of Powers38):
 * Most levels gained in one week
 * Most experience gained in one week
 * Greenest player (most g

reen weeks)

Along with what I used last time:
 * Most experience total
 * Most levels total
 * Closest to 99 (experience/level wise)

And a request: Could we record to exact experience each week too? It would help with determining total exp gain at the end of the competition and with close calls (we needn't show it in the table, just comment it out). 20:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I would love to record total experience each week but I think it will look very messy on the main page. Can we perhaps have an experience section of the page separate from the level or maybe even a different page?  I have always wanted to record the exact experience levels but I did not want to make the page harder to read while providing information that is not very useful.  How would you want to do it?  Also, if you protect the archives, can you give me power to edit them?  I might take out the rules from the archived seasons and might create new uniform system of representing the competition.  I do not think that that the talk pages should be protected however, any discussion about Season 2 is intended to take place in Season 2's archived page and if anyone wants to discuss individual seasons.  True, it is likely that no one would see their post but I would still prefer it to remain unprotected.  As for your keeping the contest up-to-date, you may do so if you wish although I intend on remaining here this season.  Members of the board of trusties:

I might work on that more later. Maybe add more details such as (Trained Firemaking in Season 1 coming in fourth place, Trained hunter in season 2 coming in second place), perhaps a link to the highscores for each player, maybe include that Amaurice has all 99s and Hammer2092 has all 94s, maybe put it on the main page and make it official. I know you guys don't like getting singled out but the rest of the community needs to know they can turn to you for help or advice (if you do not mind giving it). Whatever. SamRosenfeld 21:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Gaz Lloyd (Chairman of the board)
 * Amaurice Retired from the Countdown
 * Hammer2092
 * Calebchiam
 * Gratz to all in Season 2. Unfortunatly I will not be able to take part in Season 3 either as I am still working on Summoning. I am currently level 96 and need another 500 more crimson charms until 97. I cross my fingers that I might be able to make 99 by the time Season 4 comes around but it might be until Season 5 before I manage to complete my goal and pick another skill to work on. Good luck everyone. -- 12:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good luck with 99 Summoning Merci. I lack the dedication to get a 99 (yet )
 * I was thinking of commenting the experience to make it only visible on editing (by doing this: ), that way its there but not messing up the table.
 * I'll protect the season pages and leave the talk pages (they'll only be semiprotected anyway, which prevents IPs and accounts less than 4 days old editing). I added the archive template too.
 * I'll be on hand weekly to keep it up-to-date if you need me too - if you're away or whatever. I'm away the last week of August but the competition doesn't start until the week after. 14:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I wish I had all 94s. LOL. Don't retire me just yet. My time on RS is a bit more limited and competing would be more difficult. But I may yet enter another countdown. 20:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I apologize Hammer, I see what the problem was. I have brought you out of retirement, lol.  To Gaz Lloyd:  Oh okay, that sounds good.  Thank you for all of the help you have given me and plan on continuing to give me.  SamRosenfeld 21:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yay,I wanted to join the CT99 for awhile,but never had time....Anyway,I signed up for crafting,because Woodcutting,Firemaking were taken and Rnecrafting = Boring. Anyway,this should help me stay focused on one skill for awhile. Though it's probably cost me a lot.....

P.S. I don't expect to win,I'm F2P and don't get on as much as others do...-- 17:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh,I just ckecked,this starts on September 4? That should give me a fair amount of time to get ready....Are you sure we can't do a skill someone else is doing?-- 17:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry but I am adamant about this rule. I find it very interesting that you are training crafting in f2p.  I think it is one of the most useless skills for f2p.  I would advise gathering hides now and then saving them for when the competition starts because you are probably not going to get the 99 and just want to stay in the competition as long as possible.  It would be cool if you made it to the final round as an f2p crafter.  SamRosenfeld 21:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I must admit,it was my only other skill in the hiscores besides runecrafting. And being a F2P runecrafter would be even harder. But I'm not making hides,I'm making Tiaras. Faster,more exp in a variety of skills,and...people buy tiaras,but I can't say the same for Hardleather bodies. Yeah,I was gonna gather a lot of Silver vefore Sept 4. ARE YOU READY TO RUMBLE??!??! cuz I'm not... -- 16:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

There is no way that I'll get close to 99, but we'll see how long I can last. I didn't think anybody else was going to try this skill, but I should last a couple months maybe. 09:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, since I've had a a few questions about Supirion and fishing, I'm wondering if anyone would object if I removed him from the countdown; he says he's quit RS on his userpage. I've left him a message in any case, but he probably won't reply. Opinions? 12:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, he replied, he's doing it. 22:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't Supiron a Female? I heard her(?) mention that I think.... Anyway, (s)he replied to me In-game and told me that (s)he wouldn't be able to do it, so I removed her from the list. Also, Sam, shouldn't you add the level bars for the contestants? In like, preperation for the next season? Just suggesting.-- 18:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I never ever said I wasn't going in the countdown, could you please restore me to the list. I think my account has been hacked..... 22:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay Supirion. Scizor was the one who removed you (per being told above). You may rejoin as the fisher. Otto has also pulled out now. 01:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You should check your account Supiron. I asked you ingame,and you pmed me that you weren't going to do it, which is why I removed you from the list. So you better go check on it... -- 15:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't do the level bars until the day the competition starts just in case someone gets disqualified by getting to level 92 and also so that I can add their level at the same time as the link. I personally just came here to find out who is training fishing. Anyone? SamRosenfeld 22:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Supiron is training Fishing, I believe. -- 15:38, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

This
Frede said he will be doing the Countdown 2 99, as seen above. -- 15:38, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. What are 'green weeks' Never mind, I just read it and figured it out.

P.P.S. I've been getting ready for the last few weeks,and I'll warn you,I have about 650 Silver bars and 40 gems....

Sam, I took the liberty of adding a time converter for the estimated time in which the levels will be recorded. It should probably be updated every friday after the 4th. -- 16:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I just entered..
Hai, I just entered the competition and I was looking through the page and saw This and I was wandereing what all the colours meant :S if anyones willing to help, just post on my talk page :D Thanks 14:09, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

[Adding to the bottom section just because I can't be bothered to make an new one.] I added a useful skill table thingy showing what skills are available and what are not. Hope no one objects. 22:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice, I'm surprised slayer and prayer aren't taken... 17:27, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not. The only one I am shocked that noone has signed up for is theiving. The other skills are all incredibly slow and/or expensive to level up. -- 08:14, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

[Adding to the bottom section just because I can't be bothered to make an new one.]The first levels will be recorded on friday, 2 days from now!! I'm doomed I'm doomed I'm doomed I'm doomed....I want to see who the first person to be eliminated will be... It sure as saradomin better not be me...-- 17:27, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Starting Week
I am currently setting up the competition. Please do not edit the page at this time.
 * I will pwn you all. 20:16, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * So you should. You've got one of the fastest skills in the game and you're already 91 lol. I'd be disappointed if you didn't get 99 by the 3rd week. lol -- 22:34, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Well, this is it. I started working when I got home three and a half hours ago and with a few breaks in between, I finally finished. This season's competition has twice as many competitors as last season's competition and will last twice as long. I want to get rid of the yellow rule. It is easy for a low level to gain more than one level and I think that if a high leveled person cannot gain a level every week, it should be the lower leveled player's responsibility to gain a level to get them kicked out. I also think it will be very hard for all of the higher leveled players to gain a level a week for 14 weeks. Does anyone second this notion? SamRosenfeld 22:25, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Woot! Good luck everyone!
 * I don't mind either way about the yellow rule, see what the others think. I plan to gain one or two levels every week anyway. 23:10, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Small note, I fixed the level and experience that you recorded for me (you recorded Hitpoints instead of Cooking). I think the removal of the yellow rule is a good idea. In any case, this is going to be a long competition, all the best to everyone. 03:19, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Chiam. I have decided to remove the yellow rule in favor of keeping this competition running for the full 14 weeks.  I don't remember if I said you were on the board but if I did not you should know that I respect your opinion.  SamRosenfeld 00:57, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, Jack Spiral has just joined, someone needs to record his levels....And before tommorow. -- 00:27, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Hewoo I was just wondering, what happens if nobody gets kicked out in a week? Does the competition last an extra week? Well anyway GOOD LUCK I think I over trained Edit: What time does the competition update?? 17:22, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone goes out every week. It will be the player who gained the least levels that week. If two+ players gain the lowest amount, then the lower-levelled player is out. If they are the same level, then the one who gained the least experience is out. If, by some miracle, they both gained the exact same experience, then the one with the lower total experience would be out. If it somehow is legitimate that they have exactly the same experience, then I guess we extend it another week, or make both of them out.
 * I guess that is how we will do it now that we are recording experience but before it worked that in the event of a tie of the same level, whoever had less experience would lose. From now on, it will be whoever gained the lesser amount of experience.  SamRosenfeld 19:13, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * The levels are recorded at 7:15pm (UTC). Various conversions are on the page - it is in one hour and 15 mins or so. 17:56, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Week 1
Well, it is the end of the first week. Every week I will be announcing the winners of four different things: The player with the highest level, the player with the lowest level, the player who gained the most levels in the week, and the player who gained the most experience in the week. This week's winner are: Supiriron was eliminated. He did not even gain any experience. He was training fishing and had level 55 fishing. Only one other person did not gain any experience at all this week. Hopefully there will not be too many more rounds where I am forced to eliminate someone who is not even training. Good luck to all of you! SamRosenfeld 19:51, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Highest Level: Frede173 with level 92 firemaking
 * Lowest Level: Jack Spiral1 with 32 farming
 * Most Levels: Hammer2092 with 7 levels
 * Most Experience: Ssswizmig 1,191,116 experience
 * YES! I didn't get eliminated! Honestly, I gotta say I was thinking I would be eliminated, because I have nary a clue on how to pace myself, but thankfully I was not. -- 19:59, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, I forgot to ask, what is the yellow rule? I thought I knew, but apparently I was wrong. -- 20:02, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * The yellow rule is no longer used (per above), but was: if you didn't gain a level in a week you would get a yellow background (in the table). If you had 2 yellows in a row or 3 yellows total you were eliminated. Getting a green background (2+ levels in a week) cancelled out a yellow background (but you could not have a negative number of yellows).
 * Also: Very nice, Ssswiz. You certainly pwned my record  20:14, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

That other person who gained no exp was me. No time to play at all! Gah! 02:38, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay how do i have 83 range but in my skills i have 80 04:39, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Disapointed that there were still people that didn't even gain any exp in their chosen skill. A little harsh on other players who wanted to take part bit the skill was already taken. Well done to all those who did make a start and especially to Ssswz who really raised the bar here. If he continues to gain exp at the same rate he should make 99 by the end the competition. I really hope he does. I didn't realise that the yellow rule has been removed. I see your points about lower levels having an advantage perhaps but if you dont gain a level in 3 weeks even in the 90's then you should be out. Otherwise you get a situation where someone that is for example level 90 can get half way to the competition without gaining a single level because other people might have one yellow week but because they are lower they are booted. The no 3 yellows in a row means that even at high levels people really try to go up each week. I know it gave me incentive to train summoning well into the 90's. -- 10:36, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

okay....
I have the same prob as man tag except the other way round. My mining lvl was 71 since the 6 September. Look at my userpage if u like. How did that go wrong??? 05:04, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed both. 05:36, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! 06:37, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Good fight Gaz im sooo proud ^^ just over 1m exp in a week, not bad eh? Im going to try get more this week though! 13:39, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't expect you to gain that much exp either. Especially in a skill like Attack . 13:56, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

'Whew!'

The hardest thing about the CD299 is pacing myself! I can get supplies easily, but I have to make sure I don't use them all up before the contest is over. So I was training yesterday, and I got all the way to 1 exp before my next crafting level. I stopped because I have to pace myself, as I know I don't have enough supplies to gte to the final week. Great job, Swissim, 1,000,000 exp is a lot for a skill like attack. I do hope and think you'll get to 99 before the last week. -- 14:24, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Gaz, can you please put back my code in the CD299 for signup and comment it out. I do not know that code and it is the only place where I had it saved. SamRosenfeld 20:49, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Its in the page history in any case (This edit to be precise). 20:56, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * TYVM, but I was also talking about the link to edit the page if you do not mind. Thank you so much for everything.  SamRosenfeld 23:09, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

My Range CDT99
Im going to resign i can not do it man! right now rather burn down rs than anything 06:29, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? What happened? 12:58, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Dude its only been a week. Give it a proper try before quitting. -- 13:27, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well i'm getting broad of rs can i cant think of anything to help get the "spark" again if anyone can help just tell me 04:07, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind i has found it Hand cannon!! 04:19, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice Man tag. Real nice. -- 19:20, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Fear My Wraith Noobs!
Lmao guys, thanks for the support, I won't be able to hit 1m this week though, I have school ill be happy with 600k odd, ALSO what happens if I get 99 before the last week? Once again, Thank's (It's good to see I have fans) 19:33, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * It is good to be the first person to reach 99, don't worry about it. There is no quiting the person who said they were quiting.  There is no quiting so do not waste space on this page.  SamRosenfeld 21:18, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, ty for editing the page Gaz. SamRosenfeld 21:20, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * If you hit 99, you...I hink stop, but you pretty much accomplish the "true goal". There was a discussion about this last season I think....-- 19:20, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Resign
I like to resign the countdown to 99 for me. I just have no time to log on now with a lot of homework and projects. :( Hope you guys have fun. 05:19, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh, too bad. But being homeshcooled, I have a lot more time to do my homework, which makes up for my lack of playinng time. - 19:20, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Uhoh
I might be kicked out too After school today my mum booked a holiday to Lourdes, unfortunatle the holiday lasts from the 22nd to 28th of September (Tuesday to Monday.) which means I still MIGHT be able to gte a single level, but I also might not be able too  but if i do get kicked out it's not because I gave up or because I couldn't be bothered, it's becuase  i'm unable to acsess the internet stupid holidays  15:52, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Did no one read my post where I said that you cannot resign and please not to waste space in this discussion? SamRosenfeld 20:49, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I....didn't know...it's my first time. 11:37, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Second Week soon!
Good luck to everyone for tommorrow's up date! I hope more people put as much effort as I have I reckon i've done 600k exp this week which is pretty decent as I've been at school, I'll have to find out what you lot get tommorrowm Once again good luck! 20:04, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Week 2
Good job guys! This week, only one player (Powers38) gained zero experience. Matthew 548 was eliminated this week with level 58 smithing after gaining 12 experience. For those of you who celebrate it, Happy Rosh Hashanah! SamRosenfeld 19:38, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Highest Level: Ssswizmig with level 94 attack
 * Lowest Level: Jack Spiral1 with level 34 farming
 * Most Levels: Ssswizmig with 3 levels
 * Most experience: Ssswizmig with a record breaking 1,730,535 experience!

3 awards? Gf, and 1.7m? Awesomeness! I did more whilst in school then I did during my school holidays? Oh and Gaz, thats over 1m exp ontop of the previous record? 19:47, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Congrats! (Though you're training a different skill to what I was...) What's your exp/hr? And how many hrs/day do you train? 20:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Errm, 40-60k/h and around 6 hours a day, I train at Giant spiders so I can do my homework whilst training, Oh and thanks I think I should get a prize AGS pl0x  but satisfaction is enough for me 20:36, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm done with most of my homework now That means i will be able to get like 750K XP a day if i want to !@! (Oh my f- god, firemaking is so boring....)  20:42, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, Swizzy! Congrats to all who made it to the next week, 'tis much fun. Hey, I noticed that there was a lot more Yellows this week than last. Hey, I have two questions: 1) If someone gains two levels, but gets more exp than someone who gain two levels, and they got the least amount of levels, who gets eliminated? 2)I thought we removed the yellow rule, but it's still there. . -- 23:29, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * In response to your first question, the person who gains less exp gets eliminated. In response to your second question, the yellow rule has been removed, we're just highlighting some boxes as yellow to indicate that the player hasn't gained a level. 04:55, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * We actually hold that the person with the lowest level is eliminated in the event of a tie. This will almost always be the person who gained the least amount of experience if they have both gained at least one level though.  SamRosenfeld 01:54, September 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, my bad. 02:06, September 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thank you for correctly explaining the yellow boxes.  SamRosenfeld 20:42, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Hey all, Looks to be a very entertaining competition. I don't plan on winning, but sure hope I don't go crazy setting box traps from 67 to 86 hunter. My goal is to stay in the competition and get to 86 hunter. Only a mere 11,500 red chins to go.... lol. But 9m in profits will be rough after all the work. With hunter pots a spirit larupa you never now if my xp rate will go a little quicker with the boosts? 12.88.194.130 15:53, September 21, 2009 (UTC) WOW... forgot to sign in.... lol. 15:55, September 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1.7m XP O_o. I couldn't do that even if I tried. ;) GL to me on staying at the competition! PURE F2P FTW. :)

Pilt001 14:26, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm off on holiday today, so excuse my inactivity Well, anyways, Frede you better get the most exp in the week, just dont beat my RECORD BR3AKING 1.7m plox.  15:38, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * ~:My homework's killing me... 17:27, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking of becoming a member just to post in the thread on the official Runescape forums "Are you community focused?" I would of course link to this event which I think would lead them to believe that I am indeed community focused. The only problem is, I do not play very much and definitely would not be able to get more than ten hours out of my months membership. Do you think I would have a good enough chance to make it worth it? SamRosenfeld 01:38, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * I dunno if it's worth buying membership to do that, you could probably ask a lot of other people like Hammer or Gaz. Unless ou really want membership, Sam. I think it would bring in more members and really help out wiht the CD299. Good luck to everyone tommorow! --

12:42, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean I could ask them to recommend me? Nah, I don't think that would be appropriate.  SamRosenfeld 20:43, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * IMO 10 hours for a whole month would not be worth it, unless there are specific things you planned out ahead of time. Specific quests to gain access to members weapons. A few rounds of easy xp by doing the penguin hide and seek each week plus the circus. 13:04, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't bother unless you plan to use it well. But then again its only like £5 (depending on method), which to be honest isn't a huge amount. Up to you. (Here's a handy link to the thread in question ) 17:36, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

3rd week! This week ive gained about 3 times as much xp as last week This will be 3 green weeks in a row for me! Gl all! Also the reasons why my speed has increased so much are that Im having a short school holiday (about 10 days) and that I got some motivation (Concentrated gold ftw!) So ill be gaining much faster lvls 20:01, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Week 3
This week Bruxacosmica was eliminated after being the only player to gain zero experience. S/he was training thieving and had a level 0f 67. Wow Frede, wow. Two million experience in one week. Nice. I have started to play Runescape again a little bit for a little while so if anyone wants to talk to me at all, feel free to pm Samrosenfeld. Good luck everyone! SamRosenfeld 20:07, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Highest Level: Frede173 with level 96 Firemaking
 * Lowest Level: Jack Spiral1 with level 36 Farming
 * Most Levels: Calebchiam with 6 levels to level 85 Cooking
 * Most Experience: Frede173 with a record breaking 2,200,365 experience to level 96 Firemaking!

Frede..... You and Ssswizmig are INSANE... Lots Of XP. Anyway go play some FOG and relax. Don't want to let your Ranking drop. Everyone else way to go too. 20:28, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Way to go Frede, 2M exp is more than Swizzy got. Even if you do have the easiest skill to train. -- 22:50, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * sob* Gratz Frede. Gratious in defeat and what not; eh? -- 11:41, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

I really got to start training again... 06:51, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Week 4
Due to problems with the Jagex website, I was unable to attain the levels of seven members of the countdown. I suspect that this problem has been caused by the name changing update. I will not be able to access my computer again until Sunday night. Gaz Lloyd, can you please decide what we should do? You are in charge until Sunday night. Sorry for leaving you with this problem, lol. SamRosenfeld 20:00, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Through some creative asking in the CC and userpage browsing, I found the name changes:
 * Cashman286 → TheElijah
 * Man Tag1 → Twigy tag1
 * Water Kunai1 → Water Dks1
 * 1q1001 → Tom0chaos
 * 1s27 → Matt0ownage
 * Ssswizmig → Swizzl3d
 * Jack Spiral1 → Jack Spirall
 * I only got the current competitors, since I know at least one of the players who are out has changed too. If anyone else changes their name between now and the next update, please let us know, its easier for you to tell us than for us to go and try to find out.
 * This means that Powers38 is eliminated this week, being the lowest level not to gain a level (68, Agility). This week's awards are:
 * Highest Level: Frede173 with level 97 Firemaking.
 * Lowest Level: Jack Spiral1/Jack Spirall with level 37 Farming.
 * Most Levels: 1q1001/Tom0chaos with 4 levels to level 81 Mining.
 * Most Experience: Frede173 with 1,000,080 experience to level 97 Firemaking.
 * Congratulations all. 20:36, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry really should of told you I changed my name   20:39, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not even training Im trying out fishing   20:41, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * You're a hero Gaz. SamRosenfeld 00:12, October 5, 2009 (UTC)