User talk:Urssaff/Archive1

= Deleting old personnal messages =
 * Yes, you cannot delete old messages. =P 22:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh sorry, but it was my page, so i thought i can delete everything ! Urssaff 22:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

= Big monster = I wish i go and kill big monsters like KBD and KQ or DK...

signature shortcuts
I see you've done the signature template okay. There are shortcuts when adding signatures, etc, these are: Most people learn the basic ~ (for nickname and date/time).
 * (gives nickname as link to user page)
 * ~ (gives nickname as link to user page followed by the date/time)
 * (gives the date/time)

So you can just sign you name by entering: (notice the 5 not 4 ~ characters)

making it easier
But you can make it even easier by making the ~ do it for you. Edit your preferences by clicking on the my preferences at the top of the screen. Then change the Nickname: field to have: Signatures/Urssaff Then tick the Raw signatures: checkbox below the Nickname: field. This is to make it use just the nickname for the signature, and not try to turn it into a link (your template already has the links).

Once you have done this, you can then just sign using the good old ~ again, and it uses your template.

why the SUBST:Nosubst
If you want to know what the SUBST:Nosubst bit it about, it's because the nickname substitution always adds the SUBST: bit to force expansion of the template in the talk pages (which makes it very long in the pages). To avoid this, there is a special template called Template:Nosubst that stops the substitution occurring (so it just leaves the and date/time in the talk pages).

Hope that helps. 13:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Obviously it does ! Thank you mate 10:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome. =D 11:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Image
I deleted it because it was a duplicate - we have plenty of pictures of coins on this wiki. If you really want THAT PICTURE, then use imageshack or photobucket to host it, not the wiki. Christine Talk 13:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * One image can be found here: [[Image:Coins.PNG]]. However, if you want the same one that you originally uploaded (minus the background) imageshack or photobucket is the way to go. Christine Talk 13:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Crafting
Sorry about the delay in responding. I'm currently on vacation, so have limited internet access. In answer to your question, I can't remember what I did at lower levels, but once I got to 63 crafting, I bought green hides (usually between 1.5k and 1.6k each in world 2) which I made into green hide bodies, that I then high alched to get most of my money back. I made my own nats so did not loose out much.

If I could buy blue hides for about 1.8k each, I did blue hide bodies too (at level 71), but green hides were generally easier to buy.

I found buying hides rather than tanned ones better as the extra cost for tanned ones was not worth it unless you have lots of gold.

When crafting the bodies, I would run from al karid bank to the tanner, then walk back and make bodies at the same time (you can do craft hides and walk at the same time).

Hope that helps. 19:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Back from vacation now. Yes, on the forums people sell green hides for about 1.8k each, but just outside east fally bank in world 2, people sell for 1.5k to 1.6k each. :-) Sometimes, if other buyers were there, I would just try another time. 10:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Barrows
Stats? What do you mean stats? If you mean the number of runs, it's either 644 or 645, not sure. Doomedrusher|Talk| |Contributions| 13:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, I read your user page. I agree with your theory, since it seems to be the case with many things in runescape, (Especially the dragon boots, since players wearing one do not seem to get drops frequently) to prevent inflation. [[image:Onyx_necklace.gif]]Doomedrusher|Talk| |Contributions|[[image:Third_age_warrior_shield.png]] 13:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't exactly see a way to complete barrows efficiently without barrows armour, so I'll stick with Veracs for now. . [[image:Onyx_necklace.gif]]Doomedrusher|Talk| |Contributions|[[image:Third_age_warrior_shield.png]] 13:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The barrows item drops are rather "random", with greatly varying intervals between drops, so I could not say for sure. but the number of runes have not changed significantly. [[image:Onyx_necklace.gif]]Doomedrusher|Talk| |Contributions|[[image:Third_age_warrior_shield.png]] 14:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to say that the number of barrows items in both your inventory and bank could change things. Doomedrusher<font color="Blue">|Talk| <font color="Green">|Contributions| 14:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The items are on my user page. Other runes and racks are not counted.

bob2006ty Barrows Reply
Thank you yes I have been playing nearly 4 years now and started barrows about a year and a half ago (maybe more can't quite remember exactly)

1.) I usually get bored after 50 trips, it depends really, if I need money I will push myself till I either fall asleep with boredom at the keyboard and go out for a walk or bike ride, then come back an hour or two later. 50 trips is usually my limit, I sell off all the drops and stuff after that and do something else or log off.

2.) Funny you should say that ursaff, I have been wondering a very similar thing, as well as my mates, you are not alone in your thinking. :-) we have come to the conclusion that the higher your defence bonus the less items we seem to get, maybe the chest has a risk factor somewhere in the calculation based on your equipment bonus, or indeed as you have suggested armour type.

We introduce a great number of players to the barrows, show them what to do etc, and we noticed that all these new players when using their rune/mystic etc were getting an amazing amount of drops, (one guy I know who shall remain unnamed got the folowing in 46 trips- veracs helm dh helm full ahrim karils skirt guthans top and bottom, torags legs, half key, (assorted runes and racks too).

They are also using a kc of about 8, another of my theories being that the higher above 6 kc you go the less chance you have of a barrows drop, at 11+ you get bloods and racks but less equipment drops. I tried this along with three others; we banked our guthans and verac etc, put on rune and the things our lower level freinds were using, and our drop rate flew up, from normally 3 drops every 50 I was now getting about 8! (we used kc 8 btw) I was astonished to see my profits doubled and I got my first ever spear, after 3k + runs I was ecstatic, (the only time I had ever got one was when I bought, or got from a player death). so in answer to your question YES! (although Jagex won't confirm this) it seems to make a great difference, I have now changed my armour, and my attacks are better too, (another theory = higher your def bonus the lower you hit) I am going to raise my cb to 105 and fight in rune and mystic! A rare sight for someone my level. I suggest you wear the things the lower levels do, I based my outfit on sals realm barrows guide suggestion for magic dart, My drop rate has DOUBLED!

Last thing, I DONT think that what you have in your bank makes any difference whatsoever, as that would be discrimination against higher players, only what you wear affects the drop I think.

ps apologies for this long reply but I am as exciting about the discovery as you are.

I know you spent a lot of time helping to complete the article, I can see that from the history, thanks alot. :-)

got ur reply, yes thats very exciting it seems we are right, dh pl8, not bad! 700k ish spose haven't had one in a while. Been getting 99 mage hehe. i got 2 d meds in 50 trips 3 half keys, I thought I should add that killing twins doesn't help ur chances of getting a reward, but u probs no that.

Raising Awareness
I have added this to the end of the barrows article for other people with similar ideas to us, (probably most of the players 90+ or that wear "higher armour") to change and add to.

Food For Thought
It is believed that a while ago Jagex changed the nature of the barrows chest equation to account for inflation in the Runescape economy, this idea has evolved due to the fact that the amount of drops for higher level players has been in decline recently. It is the belief of some, that the equation which works out the drop for each player has been changed to include equipment bonus, the idea being the higher your equipment bonus, the less barrows items (equipment) drops you will recieve.

This inflation beating measure is of course a suspicion, it cannot be proven; although experiments by higher leveled players have taken place. After testing the drop rate in 100 "runs" of the barrows between using "higher armour", e.g. dragon and barrows equipment sets; versus rune and "lower armours", several players have found their equipment drop rate rapidly increase. For results of my own experiments and those of my freinds please do not hesitate to contact me. these tests undertaken have shown very substantial increases in the amount of equipment drops recieved, at times over 100%.

Re
Thats great! a rune increase as well, yes i narrowed it down to that june update too, i thought it was a bit odd, with the map dissapearing and all, couldn't see much reason for the update, this must be it then!

ps I have altered the barrows article to account for this, if you want to re- read, I have looked at your stats, ours are very similar lol, we seem to have a lot in common, barrows and stat wise. I am 99 cb atm bordering 100.

Now now there is no need to call me a noob I'm going to be 100 b4 the weekend is out and my mage is considerably higher than urs =p, Duel me if you think ur better, just don't stake, I wouldn't want u to lose ur hard earned cash...

anyway gl with the no armour thing, I did it once it is p pot intensive and food intensive, nearly died, had to run round a lot, kinda like ancienting dh.

apology accepted.. yes this confirms it then barrows equation/formula has been made biased to those with a higher equipment bonus, congrats on spear, i got 3 vhelms in last week :-).

yeah they are basing the updates on our feedback, they are directly linked, current is a greed measure probably for a new skill extension or minigame, like your smith one is linked to varrock update.

vote
there is a serious discussion and a vote awaiting your input on the barrows talk page

1 drop every ten runs with lower armour seems quite impressive! nice one

oh btw u 4got to vote on the barrows discussion page whether or not to keep or delete the food for thought section,.

Karil
I'm only level 96, but it really doesn't take long to kill Karil with ddp++ and whip. I would say it's faster than with magic, especially since Karil has such high magic defence. Lexmarkman talk 22:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If melee takes too long, I would use magic. But I wouldn't recommend it unless their combat level is magic-based. 20:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

factual accuracy.
Mate, your statistics aren't enough to dispute the factual accuracy of the Barrows article, even with the statistics we can't prove anything either way, so I think that you should remove the disputed factual accuracy tag thingy, vimes is right I did A lvl algebra and stats as well and I know that what you have isn't enough to really do anything. You need to do more analysis of your current data and perhaps get 100 runs of each, (not all on your own of course) other players too, I am about to make my long awaited return to the Barrows so I'll do a few hundred runs for u.

Then when you have 1000 of ea (high and low armour) graphs can be produced and analysis taken further, maybe we'll uncover parts of the equation (unlikely), but he is right I'm afraid, it's the only reason I consented to have food for thought removed from the article, we need more data. I start recording results this afternoon. 10:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

forum article
check out quest for statistical knowledge post, we need to improve on this have to go now though, we need to define higher and lower, perhaps a equip bonus level? eg 200 eb = borderline. 200 = higher or something discuss in game later? 10:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC) gtg lesson cya

right got a short break between lessons, see forum post m8, especially amaurices 1st post, he thinks you did your average wrong and should have divided by 100, i agree anyway heres what he thinks it should be

"I noticed that your averages for the high items seems a bit out. Looks like you only divided by 10 not 100. I think the results should be:

100 trips with high armour (Ahrim, torag,...) 100 trips with low armour (Mystics, rune, ...)

Detail Mind Chaos Death Blood Gold Bolt Barrows Half Key Dragon Helm 100 Low armour 22.965 9.596 6.165 3.814 100.437 3.720 8 3 0 100 High armour 27.974 10.462 7.826 2.579 99469 2.891 3 2 1 Average Low 230 96 62 38 1004 37 0,08 0,03 0 Average High 280 104 78 26 994 29 0,03 0,02 0,01 " (amaurice)

Heres what I am going to do; since I have put a call out for data collectors they are goign to ask what is defined as high and low armour, Later on you tell me what your high armour and low armour is i'll work out the bonuses, and the same for my high armour, then i'll take the suggested high armour from several sites and work out the bonuses too then we can get an average high bonus, and we can construct a formula to give us an average. then we do the same for low armours, divide the difference between the two averages by 2 and then we have our borderline! that will be the point at which something is neither high or low, so we can tell all those who ask whether their armour counts as high or low.

We now come to a problem, if the chest equation is item and not bonus biased, then we need to work out which items it is biased against which is damn near impossible, those with dragon boots for instance have reported a drop in items being recieved, can't be proven just has been noticed on forums by barrows community, basicaly if the chest equation is item biased we are stuffed!

but if it is bonus biased, (which is less likely in my view unfortunately, it would be far easier for jagex to identify the higher items to watch out for when awarding drops to players, e.g. furys, barrows equipment items, dragon items, etc) then we can work out our theory. After that we can post it on the runescape forums and these forums, and maybe fully on the barrows discussion page, but not on the barrows article.

Smithing
You were curious about how I leveled my Smithing, but my smithing isn't much higher than yours (maybe a level). I bought steel bars (650 each) and crafted them into cannonballs (200 each=about 800 coins per bar). It's not very fast experience, but it's cost effective, and can make a little money at the same time. However, if you want a faster way to level smithing: mine and smelt gold with gold smithing gauntlets. It's great experience. If you buy the gold ore (there is a lot available for buyers) it can be pretty expensive, but if you mine it, you don't lose any money. Bonne chance! 19:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

uotm
hi m8, its that time again, I have beenentered for the user of the month award on the main page, vote for me if you want. Its the bit that says "vote for a deserving user here", thanks if you do, if not dw i'll cya in game sometime, half term now yays! 12:48, 8 February 2008 (UTC)