Talk:Cave horror

Black Mask drop rate
Someone had added that the drop rate of the Black Mask was 1 in 800 due to the Smoking Kills quest, and the greater market for them due to the Slayer Helm.

Could someone please help verify if this is accurate, and if so, I will add it in. Dogtag333 12:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

It most likely is because I've been there for days and no mask drop. However someone added 30-100 kills for a black mask and I can tell you that is definitely wrong.

The black mask is about a 2:1576 ratio i got my first one at 1-100 kills 2nd one was at 387th kill now i'm at 700 kills or so with none, the ring of wealth seems to lower the chance.

The current claim that a Black mask is "not extremely rare" and a drop is 1/300 are both definitely wrong. I've killed about 560 of these things through slayer tasks and a further 200 through general boredom. I've not had one drop. 02:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

The drop rate claim of 1/300 is most definitively wrong, the drop rate is of course 1/150.
 * Oh yes, of course.
 * Unless someone presents me with a fully comprehensive drop log of 10,000+ monsters, I see no reason to list any estimated drop rate. If you want a 'rareness' thing, I'd use semi-rare or rare - not a drop you get very often, but one you get a lot more often than the likes of a visage. 21:31, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Got 3 long bones, 1 curved bone, 3 blue charms, 4 torstol seeds, and 2 black masks in about 1000 kills. If they considered to be "rare" and "very rare", the black mask should be too.

Well, I have just completed a Slayer Task of 157 Cave Horrors, and within 80 of those kills, I already had 2 Black masks. So I think that the rate is about 1/110.My name is 19:36, March 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can't judge the droprate after killing just 157 horrors... 20:32, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I got 2 slayer masks in 2 consecutive tasks of less than 170 and i got one each task, so its not a super high rate.

In my experiences, the drop rate has been relatively low. I managed to get one within my first two trips, and another within the next three. I later did a slayer task of about 180 and got none after about 3-5 trips. I just did one trip and got it towards the end of the trip. I think it's safe to say that 1/300 is about right. It's not extreamly rare. 04:43, May 5, 2010 (UTC) I did a total of 2752 kills, 865 kills with ring of wealt (0 drops) and 1887 kills withought row (6 drops) The drop rate would be 1/314 without the row, so i would go for the 1/300 theory. edit, forgot to sign....--Jonaboy 22:25, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

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Advisable not to bring a ring of wealth?
So they way the ring of wealth apparently works is when you get a rare drop, it'll make the drop more valuable. The black mask alchs for 1800 gp. It's also in the same drop table category as a rune spear, rare. So it's probably not a good idea to pack one with you, is it?
 * It seems like that, I went there with a ring of wealth and got no black masks in over 300 kills, even though the article says it's 1 in AROUND 150... Maybe I'm just very unlucky though... 00:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I say the chance's to get a black mask is 1/200 05:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

DONT bring a ring of wealth its alc price is lower than other items

ring of wealth with black masks
omfg, had a ring of wealth on, and i read this article saying not to have a ring of wealth. therefore, i took it off. on my next kill i got a black mask!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! definately no ring of wealth when looking for black masks!!!--12:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)90.216.34.188
 * Of course getting a mask in the next drop is just pure luck. I don't believe that the ring of wealth would considerable lower the amount of masks dropped; if it did, then you would get dragon/rune spears more often. Plus, we don't know if Jagex has defined the rune spears a "rare" drop. 12:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Naw d00D, I think he might be right What's weird is that a month ago, I was killing cave horrors in hope of a mask, I killed about 500 of them with a ring of wealth, no mask. 3 weeks later, I went into the cave, killed exactly FIVE cave horrors with NO RING OF WEALTH. I got a black mask. That is crazy lucky. Either me and 90.216.34.188 just have awesome luck like that, or, the RoW just TOTALLY nerfs drops.   21:39, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

black maskes with wealths.
since people say with and without i killed them switching off wealth each kill. i got 2 with wealth and 3 without so you might want to just not bring one, also i was there for about 4 hours to get 5 masks. dodo68.224.51.55 06:09, November 14, 2009 (UTC) Thier right bringing a ring of wealth doesn't make a difference as far as drop rates go. I hunt them to make my money sometimes you can be down there for a long time before you get what you want I'd have to dya the drop rate is around 1/200 it all depends on one of my slayer tasks I got 2 in one trip.the masks aren't as rare to get as people say they are.

Black Mask Drop Rate
Of course there is a lot of contraversy over the drop rate of black masks. There is no exact drop ratio of a black mask. I would say it is between 1/100 and 1/500 kills for a black mask. It really all depends. Yesterday I got 2 mask drops in 1 load which took about an hour. Today, im having horrible luck. I must say that it is a GREAT feeling to right click a drop and see a black mask (10). Good luck all of you Cave Horror-Killers. :)

My drops during this slayer task
Monsters killed: 178

3 Black Masks (10), 1 Snapdragon seed, 1 Torstol seed, 2 Clues (lvl-3, reward 121K + 113K), 2 Long bones, 1 Loop half of a key.

Also plenty of other seeds... Always with Ring of Wealth. One of the best tasks so far :) --Dotyfree 11:15, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * I got 3 Black mask and 2 Snaps and a great amount of charms (Killed:175) and with a ring of wealth. Row's are quite good 01:27, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Cave horrors have such nice drops, I rarely leave a session dissapointed. I'm supprised people don't kill these more often. I'm usually all alone down there. 06:57, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Most Effective Armor
I've never went to cave horrors before because all i do is slay really (and use laplock/new slayer master) and wanted to try out sumonna so i can get these as a task maby.... and the guide isnt really clear on what armor is really effective... so im wondering from yall that have been what is a good (cheep) method of going to them... im cb 121...99 str and 85 def/attk so if that helps any... and we need to try and make this more clear in the article itself. Thanks -- 20:08, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

I'd suggest:

Head - Helm of neitiznot or Slayer helmet (on task)

Cape - Fire cape or Ardougne cloak 3 (if using zammy spear) or any other cape

Neck- Fury or Glory Witchwood icon ONLY

Weapon - Abbysal whip or Zamorakian spear (to exploit their stab weakness)

Body - Karil's Top

Legs - Karil's Bottom

Shield - Rune defender (if using whip)

Hands - Barrows gloves or best available

Boots - Dragon boots

Ring - Do not use the ring of wealth as it does not affect the drop rate of black mask(can use berserker but the tiny str bonus isn't so useful here)

I usually take Enhanced excalibur and 2 or 3 Bunyips along with a Summoning potion and 2 monks. I can last there for about 350 kill with these things.

That is all, good luck! 21:04, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Inhaps helped out alot. I lasted 424 kills then left :) wonderful method! Happy Editing -- 00:36, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

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this is my mask drop =] got from like 140th kill. Had 130 kills with wealth, then I tried with no wealth and it worked.
 * Inconclusive. 130 kills is just simply not enough to say if its better with our without. You'd need a couple of thousand at least. 15:55, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

I used to slay these with full black d'hide, mind shield, slayer helm, obby cape, whip, d'boots, and of course, witchwood icon. I'd always need about 5 sharks a trip, and I brought my dragon halberd to safe spot 'em if things got ugly. Just recently I aquired full Guthan's and I found it to be very effective. I swaped out gauntlets for spiky black d'hide vamps for a little extra mage def, and kept d'boots and obby cape for str bonuses. Once or twice I found myself gettin low on health, about 250LP, but the nearby albino bats made for safe easy healing. I didn't need any prayer help either. If you have Guthan's, it's probably the easiest method and doesn't require any food. The Guthan's spear's stab attack didn't hurt either. 06:54, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Furthermore, I recently found that while wearing full Guthan's, you can use you're low mage defence to your advantage by wearing a ring of recoil. they will regularly hit 20-60s, and bringing a few rings of recoil will reflect a good percentage of that damage back to them. It seems reasonable to assume that beause the ring of wealth increases one's chances as getting a drop from the rare drops table, it would lessen the chance at getting a black mask. The price a black mask greatly excedes that of most rare drop table items, so I figured I'd try and use ring with better effects, and the ring of recoil seems to do the trick. Happy horror hunting!!! 07:43, May 5, 2010 (UTC) The crossed out information was developed based on inaccurate information and should not be trusted. 01:28, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Cave Horror Mask Drop Rate is Low
I've killed over 1500 of these jacks for Slayer. Only gotten 1 black mask. I use a Berserker ring.

Rarity
First off, there are 7-8 headings talking about the Black Mask drop rate, second, the article says that Clue Scrolls are "somewhat common". Is that an actual number or is that someone randomly writing what they feel?


 * That fact that they drop clue scrolls commonly should be removed anyway.

- 18:07, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

which slayer masters assign these as tasks?--TaSManiaC 08:07, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

I just got assigned about 166 by Summona KefkaticFanatic 22:56, April 19, 2010 (UTC) (This keeps going in the code box and I don't know why! >:

Black mask cave horrors
I have been in this dungeon for about 3 hours now.. gotten maybe 250-300 kills, i havent gotten a mask yet, but so far have made 400k off of the misc items.

as far as the ring of wealth goes, i dont think it has any major changes in the drop rate. i read this thread and tried killing about half of them with the ring, then the other half without a ring,

maybe its just me, but i havent seemed to have luck with any of these two options. so i conclude neither helps with the drop rate of the masks.

April 1 2010

Max hit.
Just notifying you guys, I'm at Cave horrors, and I got hit for 94. Updating max hit. Icecold531 12:59, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ring of Wealth will not help...?
The ring of wealth will help you get more valuable drops, like the Black Mask and rune things. But the effect is so slight I'd recommend taking a more useful ring, like Ring of slaying in its place. 05:05, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's all about luck!
I did a slayer task of about 160, got no mask. I was feeling lucky, so I went back, for that trip at about the 30th kill, I got a Black Mask! I was really proud, and didn't feel lucky anymore, but about 5-10 minutes of killing later, I got another one! I didn't believe it, but it happened! I think the chances are still 1/200, but really, it's just about luck. (April 12th 2010.)

I killed maybe 1000 cave horrors no drop... Then about two weeks later i saw they also dropepd clue scrolls so i went back to test my luck, and 3rd kill black mask 5th kill clue and like 40th kill another clue... its all luck- cobra

Difficulty of these is greatly exaggerated
I'm fighting these now with 76 defence, 75 magic, black dhide body and legs, slayer helm, dragon boots, dragon square shield, whip, barrows gloves (RFD), and obsidian cape and they're rarely hitting on me, and when they do they hit very low. The recommendation of 90 defence is quite silly. KefkaticFanatic 22:51, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

I've been fighting them with a bunyip, karil's and zs and (and 90 def). Like most monsters, it seems that their accuracy fluctuates: sometimes they hit a few times consecutively, while at other times they don't hit at all. But agreed; 90 def is silly. Not mendatory at all and even as a recommendation it's pathetic. A good candidate for an edit. Kong No Foo 18:17, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * To be honest, the whole tactics section is flawed and in dire need of a huge re-write. I started writing a little cave horror guide in my sanbox, although I never got to finish it.  21:59, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

IS black mask considered "rare"?
The ring of wealth increases the chances of "rare" drops. Is the black mask "rare"?

I haven't read posts above where this is discussed, but the ring of wealth does not effect the drop rate of the black mask becuase it is a cave horror specific drop. Similarly, The ring of wealth will not effect the drop rates of defenders, or cockatrice heads, or other creature specific drops. It only increaces the drop rates of items on the rare drop table for creatures that grant access to it. This does not mean that the ring of wealth would be completely useless when fighting cave horrors, because they do grant access to the rare drop table, but it will have no postive effects on the drop rates of the black mask. For more information on how the ring of wealth works, please visit the Ring of wealth page and the Rare drop table page. 06:34, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Clue scroll drop rates
I've taken several trips to the cave horrors, and with every successive session, I find myself getting a clue scroll within the first load or two. The first few times this happened, I figured it to be lucky coincidence, but now it's happend several times and I suspect that the clue scroll drop rates for cave horrors are higher than those of other monsters. I'd like to hear if anyone else has had similar experiences before posting it on the page. Would someone else please take the time to research this further? Don't forget to do each clue scroll after you get it, otherwise you won't receive any more. Thanx, and happy horror hunting. 23:16, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Equipment
Don't know if anybody has realized this, but Void Knight seems to be the best armor you can wear for the cave horrors. it provides a total of 2 less magic resistance than black d'hide + helm of neitiz + barrows gloves, and 15 less strength bonus, but provides the set effect that more than compensates for this loss in strength. I think we should add something about equipment to wear, and I think VK armor should be included.

Thoughts?

DONT BRING WEALTH RING!
ok so I was killing horrors w/ wealth ring when I read this talk page and took it off. And a few kills later... A BLACK MASK!!!!!!!!!!

Pure coincidence! The ring of wealth has absolutely no effect on the black mask's droprate. 07:38, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

On the contrary, it is not pure coincidence. Mostly coincidence, sure, but not purely. The ring of wealth has an effect on the drop rate of all possible drops, except probably charms and maybe herbs for cave horrors which seem to drop herbs seperately from ordinary drops.

To explain how the ring of wealth effects all drops, let me try and paint a picture for you. Now suppose that every time you kill a cave horror, you get to draw from a bag with 5 marbles in it. One of those marbles represents a black mask. Three of them are other drops, maybe seeds, runes, or arrmor. The last Marble, if drawn, lets you grab from a separate bag containing marbles representing items from the rare drops table. The probablility of grabing a black mask marble is 1:5 or 20%. The probability of grabing one of the other drops is much higher, 3:5 or 60%. The probability of getting the marble which lets you draw from the rare drops table bag is 1:5. Now suppose you're wearing the Ring of Wealth. This basicaly puts another rare drops table marble in the bag. Now the probability of getting the rare drops table marble is 2:6 or about 33% The chance doesn't double, but it does increase significantly. The probability of getting and ordinary drop is now 3:6 or 50%. As you can see, this has decreased somewhat. The probability of getting a black mask is now 1:6 or about 17% This has also decreased slightly.

Of course, these ratios are purely for demonstration and are very inaccurate representations of the Cave Horror's true drop rates. The purpose of this demonstration is to prove that the ring of wealth not only increases the drop rate of rare drop table items by a calculatable degree, but also slightly decreases the drop rates of all other items by a less significant, yet very real degree. 06:53, June 13, 2010 (UTC) The above information has been proven inaccurate and should not be trusted. 01:23, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Incorrect, based on what Jagex has told us. Using your marbles example, wearing a ring of wealth does not add another marble to the first bag, but instead removes most of the "no-drop" marbles from the second bag. The probabilities of stuff from the first bag are unchanged. See the game guide explanation. 14:16, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Your right. I missunderstood the effect of the ring of wealth. This is really quite relieving to know that there are no negative effects to the ring of wealth, aside from the fact that it could be replaced with a ring with other effects. Is this information posted on the Rare Drop Table page and Ring of wealth page? I strongly advise that it be posted there if it isn't already. As I recall, it was the information on one or both of those pages that lead me to missunderstand the effects of the ring of wealth as I did. Feel free to help rectify the misleading information that others and I have posted. 01:23, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know it may just be coincidental, and I do understand how the Ring of Wealth works, but after a whole 2 days of killing Cave Horrors and no Black Masks, I decide to take off my Ring of Wealth. Two kills later I get a Black Mask drop.  There has to be some sort of truth to this.
 * I know it may just be coincidental, and I do understand how the Ring of Wealth works, but after a whole 2 days of killing Cave Horrors and no Black Masks, I decide to take off my Ring of Wealth. Two kills later I get a Black Mask drop.  There has to be some sort of truth to this.