Talk:Barrows

Man just go to runescape.com click on explorer knowledge database and search for barrows. This guide right here sets you up for death.
 * How about you help make it better, eh? Using that info from the KB, improve this article.--Richard 01:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Kill count
Just so y'all know, I gots a message in my inbox from some golden moddy-type bloke sayings that the killsies don't affect your chest reward. :) JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  13:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I did quite a few with a KC of 6 (just the brothers) and got the same as normal (crap). JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 11:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

a kc of 6 will give u the max chance of barrows item (unles u kill 7 bros (twinned by the door spawn) even more chance, but a kc of around 12 at least is needed for bloods and bolt racks or u just won't get them. Bob2006ty 13:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well done on completely ignoring the people who make the game, then? I did it with a KC of 6 and got the same rewards as when I did it with a KC of 12, i.e. practically nothing. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  10:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Twice now I've sent a query, and twice I've been told the same thing; the kill count is for your amusement only. It does not affect a single thing. I will not back down over this. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  16:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Im sorry you feel that way but my friend has sent a similar query, he was told by a jagex mod that kill count does affect the amount of runes, coins and bolt racks you recieve, let alone most of the barrowing community are in agreement on this, I will not back down either, you are in a minority when it comes to your belief, and I'm sorry you find it neccessary to start an edit war when you can't admit your wrong.

"well done on completely ignoring those who made the game" as you have not provided this evidence i have ignored nothing it is you who are ignorant just because you did it with kc 12 got "practically nothing" in one run does not mean that kc doesnt affect runes coins etc, come back to me when you have done over 3500 runs! It is not I who is weak on barrows experience nor on mssgs from jagex, it is you who have failed to provide evidence, whilst all the time slagging me off with this invisible "evidence" you never deemed to show us. show us the replys or shove off. I am really getting tired of your lack of evidence.


 * The replies are confidential. I can't show you. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  19:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

lol convienient I am willing to show you mine, when i do unless you show me yours im gonna add it back in.

Done
I finally finished the page, check it pplz for spelling etc and make adjustments etc. Bob2006ty

senseless abuse
217.42.221.120 If you have an issue with the barrows article please post it on the discussion page, thankyou.

or alternatively why not improve it if the article "sucks", at least We took the time to bother to write something moderately useful, if there are better guides in your opinion why not use them to improve the existing one? (do not copy them as this would be a copyright breach) at least this article is a step in the right direction

my name when im logged on is bob2006ty if u wish to talk please post on my discussion page or this one

Improvement is needed
If you are trying to improve this guide, please feel free to message me (username's Ssj_metroid) if you have anything to add. I have nearly 500 trips below my belt and have gotten a little over 30 barrows items. Please make sure to include accurate information. We don't want anybody to be sent to their death sentence!

ya I agree, I created it and am always trying to improve it using imformation from prominent sites, your lucky lol I have done about 600 trips in my time but have only ever got 28 items and they were mostly rubbish like ahrim's staff and torags hams, but I enjoy the barrows all the same it is my favourite. Your last message was a bit confusing why are you asking players to contact you if they wish to expand the guide?

Ranged
On the strategy for doing the barrows without any prayer potions it gives the suggested stats for attack strength defence prayer and magic. However your supposed to use ranged against ahrim. So you guys left out the recommended ranged level for the strategy. Should I go ahead and put in 70, 80 or what? Ice 04:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If your combat level is high enough (>95) you can melee ahrim easely, but you should have a high range (>= 70) to be able to wear a black d'hide (high magic defense). Anyway, using range is very powerful against ahrim, even with a level of 60 (red d'hide, magic shortbow, rune arrows,...). I did it a couple of time before reaching level 70, which is much much better. With red d'hide, you will be hit often, that's why i recommend prayer...Urssaff 08:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

should i put 60, 70 or 80 for ranging ahrim without prayer pots? Ice 19:50, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think 70 is the minimum, this way you will be able to wear black d'hide, it will avoid most of ahrim's spells. 23:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

so 70 it is? Ice 01:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, 70 range is enough to kill Ahrim, although I still suggest higher.

Well, the question is, is 70 enough to kill ahrim fast enough so that you dont use any prayer pots?
 * I've done a lot of run without using p pot with 70 range, but i ate a lot of food ! If i want to spare p pot, i bring a lot of food (6-10) and drink a p pot every 4-8 runs. If i want to make 3 run on a trip, i bring a p pot by run and less food...euuuuhhh, in fact i don't know the range and magic level where you won't be hit by ahrim, i think that both level are important Urssaff 08:33, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I started running without prayer potions at around combat level 98, range at 74 I believe and magic was at 83. Back then, I used about 3-5 food when I went to fight Ahrim. Now, I'm 82 range and 89 mage and I barely use food at all! So it's safe to believe that at 85 mage and about 75 range that you would use minimal food against Ahrim. Ssj metroid 13:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay then, Iam putting 70-75 ranged, it says 80 mage is enough so I wont change that. if anyone would like to change it go ahead. Ice 17:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Also about how many hitpoints should you have to do it without pots?
 * if you have 75 range, 80 mage and combat 98 i guess that you will have enough hp ! ;) 22:56, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

so put about 80 hitpoints? and 75 ranged? Ice 02:09, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I went with 78 hp and 53 range =| Christine Talk 02:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Our work so far..
...has been incredible. We really improved this guide a lot. The pictures of the maze and the puzzles on each door is very, very useful, as the tunnels are where I got most of my loot =P. However, we are missing one puzzle, the one with the large square divided into four smaller squares I believe. Anyways, kudos to all that contributed to this guide! =)Ssj metroid 14:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You are right, i have forgotten the fourth puzzle...I'll upload it tonight 11:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering
Because all these bosses use a single type of combat, does that mean that a relatively low level could easily defeat them with enough prayer potions (except Verac)?--Andy mci 08:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but you should use the highest level offensive spell that you can; spells below blast spells are not recommended cause it will take a lot of time to kill each brother meaning a lot of prayer potion...And remember Dharok can hit a 58 without prayer ! You can also kill Verac such way 11:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool, I never actually planned to do barrows, but I was just thinking that it would be a bit easy if it could be blocked out like that. Anyway, thanks.--Andy mci 11:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article?
I'm nominating this article to be a Featured Article.Ssj metroid 14:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

At Long Last A Barrows Guide to be Proud of.
Thanks to all those that helped, especially for the maps and door guides, adding the symbols to the recommended combat order, and generally touching up and rearranging the article to make it more readable, I'm not too good at it myself. I made most of the article, with help from other users, thanks especially to vimes, I got a bit fed up when players kept changing it all because they tought they knew better after 1 trip, I have been on over 3000 myself, now this has been smartened up and made more readable again I doubt those people will want to change it back and forth,especially since it has been nominated to be featured! Thanks again guys it really looks good,. :-)
 * What did I do? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  09:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

when I was new and unfamiliar with the wiki coding several people corrected my coding mistakes, on this article it was you. .

Food for thought
Please don't hesitate to write below your results of your own experiments. and 09:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh...Such theories (unprovable, unciteable, unreliable and untrustworthy) don't belong on this wiki. If even a fraction of the ludicrous theories like this one that players have come up with were true, Jagex would be guilty of more conspiracies than any government anywhere, ever. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  09:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I would say the evidence we have is astounding if you are prepared view it, a massive increase in barrows drops when using lower armours, we have stated we cannot prove this, but there is widespread feling in the barrows community that this is now the case, you want this removed put it to a vote, I do not see why your narrow-mindedness the issue should deem this part of the article unworthy of note. We have sufficiently stated several times that this is conjecture for the most part, but there are certainly parts of that can be proven i.e. the realtionships beteen rune drops, and when this is the feeling of so many of the barrows community, I think you should either test this for yourself or put it to a vote before you write it off completely.
 * Conspiracy theories get posted on the RuneScape forums. A lot. So why haven't I heard of this? It can't really be a significant part of the community if not one person has thought to post it there.
 * Fine, vote if you must. I still maintain that conjecture of this kind should not be on this wiki. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  10:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

It is on the runescape forums I myself put it there, and there are other threads like it, I have consulted with these players and stitched it into my own thread. Please also stop changing the part of the article about chest drops, it is true that kill count affects the amount of runes coins, and bolt racks recieved, I have not changed the part about it not affecting equipment drops which is also true.


 * I got rid of the voting panel because they can easily be fixed. Just write keep or delete on this discussion, like we always do. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  10:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I am perfectly happy to delete this if the vote dosen't go my way, I do not which to become enemies, we helped each other so much over this articles history, ill personally delete it if the vote is for deletion, and stick to the runescape forums, but the evidence gathered so far is pretty convincing, however we shall see how this goes.

Keep

Delete

(voting ends 12pm October 1st (gmt))

Conspiracy
I disagree on the term conspiracy...It is not a conspiracy of Jagex, it may be a way ro regule economy ! Anyway they don't need to conspirate because they make the rules and the way it all works !

My approach is purely statistic, even if it can't be the absolute truth, it shows a trend...As i take note all of my trips (a bit less 600), it may be a good base to improve a theory. I will produce my stats as soon as i reach 100 trips with lower armour, but so far i have noticed a huge difference in barrows drops.

PS : Sharing a point of view with other is part of my pleasure of playing rs. 14:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

kill count
Yet again Vimes I am asking you to leave the part that says a higher kill count will raise the amount of runes, coins and bolt racks recieved, alone!. It is perfectly true, has been confirmed by ""Jagex"", and is a widely acknowledged and accepted fact, most if not all barrowers know this, why keep changing it? You have no reason to do so, please get your facts straight before deleting relevant information.
 * I did. Then I deleted it. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  15:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Deleted
I just got word back from Jagex. No drop rates have been changed. Kay? Now if you want to theorise, do it yourself, on your own userpage or subpages. But don't use this article to do it. May I also point out that your point is, for all intents and purposes, unproveable - whereas mine isn't. And I've provided evidence; you've provided statistics, which are a lot less reliable. May I repeat my main point: this article is not the place to post theories. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  15:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

they would say that, but ok ill keep it on jagex forums, the kill count is another matter however. tbcBob2006ty 19:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

kill count
Right, where is this proof you keep talking of? Prove it! and also as I am awaiting my reply to my second request to know if kc affects runes coins racks etc, i took the liberty of asking 30 random players in worlds 9, 6 and 46 from the bridge crossing from morton to the barrows whether they thought barrows kc affected rune racks and coins dropped, guess what 29/30 said yes, one guy said he was new to barrows and "don't really know tbh".

also " Q: Does Kill Count increase my chances of getting a Barrows Item? A: No, it does not. The only thing that matters is the number of brothers you have killed this run. Kill Count affects only Runes and Bolt Racks. However extensive testing has proven that Kill Count has significant role in determining what Runes and other items you get. You will not get any Blood Runes below 8 Kill Count, and you cannot get any Bolt Racks below 9 Kill Count. What you get after this is purely random"

Tip.it

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Your kill count from the tunnels doesn't increase your chances of getting Barrows equipment from the chest, but it does increase the amount of runes you get.

Sals realm all rights reserved copyright sals realm of runescape 2007.

you will find the two major fan sites agree, most of the wiki community probably does if you care to ask. I realise this is not from a jagex mod, I will post that in a few days when I get my reply, I have asked this question before and got the answer yes but I deleted that a long while ago, awaiting mods reply, bob.
 * "You will not get any Blood Runes below 8 Kill Count, and you cannot get any Bolt Racks below 9 Kill Count." Utter bollocks. I did half my barrowing with a KC of six and got the same drops as always - i.e. crap all, but this did include an unrewarding amount of blood runes and bolt racks. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  19:46, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

you vs two well established groups of experienced barrowers, on two of the best rs fan sites on the web? Besides when I barrowed with a kc of 6 (not many runs, I must admit probs 200) I got neither no bolt racks, and scarce amounts of bloods, I agree what they say bout 8kc 9kc is bollocks but, they both are in agreement that there is a fundamental link between kc and runes, bolt racks coins etc! I don't think you can really compete with barrowers such as oddfaery2, abomb67 and sailorscoutx. Thats their opinions plus my own plus the 29 barrowers who responded to my survey already, I can't wait for my second reply from jagex!

right... ok I have my reply from jagex, w ah no scrub that i just noticed I cant share it, well since neither of us can prove it...

its looking like we are going to have to come to some kinda truce over this, like we did with the Castle wars flag holding issue, how about "however it is the belief of the majority of those who regularly play the barrows minigame; that kill count affects the amount of runes and bolt racks recieved from the chest." .


 * May I point out that these tipsites, which I assume you're claiming are reliable, also claim (or, at least, claimed) that filling the fishing trawler with water gets you more fish? *laughs* JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  21:03, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to throw a hissy fit and start what would doubtlessly turn into a revert war about this edit, but I'd like to point out that removing the "still" makes it sound like the players might be right...when they're not. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  10:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)