Talk:Macro

Could we have instructions on the most effective way to report a macro?
 * To me the challenge is to determine that a player actually is a bot. Would one dare to report a top 100 ranger even if the player has a number for a name and only the minimal stats to complete the quests to gain access to the Ogre dungeon, has extremely fast reflexes, a non-standard operational mode to collect the drops, does not respond to chat and wears an outfit unbecoming to a level 99 ranger? It gets a 98% certainty on my bot detection scale, but high level players can be a funny bunch. --Miw 13:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

A bot would never be a high-level player. Most are level 3. 22:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wrong
 * There are Green Dragon bots, where their levels range between 60 - 110. -- 00:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

According to RS rules, silence (not responding to chat) is not against rules, therefore it is not a valid reason to report a player. There is even an option to block chat messages. --88.112.192.167 15:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

A lot of this information is incorrect
As are many of your opinions, I tried editing it to make it correct, but it was roll overed. You need to stop being stubborn about what and whatnot a bot is and how to spot them. Bots come in all shapes and sizes, and most of them ARE NOT default level 3s. And bots are more advanced than you think, moe advanced 6than just rapidly clicking trees and ores. --???

-- I tried to post this also, but it was removed. If they don't know what a PAYBOT is, then they definately don't know much. --- Jan 2010

They do not understand bots. I know how to bot, my friend does and I have read the scripts. they are good.

01:43, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Human powered bots??
This is not using any macros, why are they here? That is not macroing, that's real world item trading. 09:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, that is pointless to be here since it is not automated.

More?
Does anyone else see more bots than ever? I spend quite a bit of time on F2P and the bots are rampant. Buying all the deaths, buying all the feathers, cutting all the high level trees. There are simple solutions out there, why isn't Jagex doing anything about it? Atlandy 22:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

No I don't but then again I was there for all the mass-bans.

Far too true. I've been in this game since the dragon quest was new and the sheer number of bots now is obscene. However, Jagex won't do anything about it because, if we don't pay, they don't care. -- 216.16.236.2 05:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not just the free to play bots that don't get checked out, members bots are rarely ever banned even with incredibly obvious evidence simply because banning all the p2p bots would take a BIG chuck out of jagex's paycheck. The company has become more about money and less about actual gameplay and communication with their players.


 * ...It's mostly due to the fact that they receive so many reports a day, and they go through such a big process trying to get substantial evidence to support a ban. As much as one would like to think that Jagex is simply money-oriented, the bots I report do eventually get banned. I just takes time and patience. 18:44, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe Jagex doesn't give a crap about bots in P2P? They pay to be there. See F2P they have to see ads for Jagex to get money, and most botting programs use out of browser programs, so you don't see ads. I have been reported for botting(and they were somewhat right I was sitting at computer and watching, and I could talk but I don't like noobs))
 * EDIT BY ME: Also, when was mining pure ess(not botting) I got considerably less randoms then on F2P
 * 01:46, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 01:46, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

A partial solution to macros!
If people are despirate to get stuff like logs, coal, exc, exc, why doesnt runescape simply make npc's at certain spots who sell an UNLIMITED stock of those things(The price of those will be around the street price) That should hopfully get rid of most of the macroers!!!!--Pkthis 03:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Still, macroer's even mean auto-buyers that can still buy those with some coin and then sell it for real cash. Blankothe3rd
 * I think it'd be awesome if there was some option whereby any player could go up to another and perform some action (for example, "pwn X"). It'd check the account for a macro; if none exists the action is harmless, but if a macro is running, the player dies and it sends a notification to Jagex. But that's just my random notion. -- 216.16.236.2 05:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If only that was possible! -- 01:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think Jagex should add a feature that recognizes binge actions. It's like being skulled for non-combat skills. If the macroer is skulled in this way, people should be allowed to attack them, and they lose all the items they have. What do ya think?
 * Awesome.

players should be able to hit hit somthing and check if a character is another player has a macro playing if it is a macro you should be able to PK them and take everything they got.. a few weeks of that and the macros would be gone

If it were possible to know with certainty whether someone was macroing with an automatic system, I would imagine they would just ban the player. Letting them be PKed is more fun, however. Skill 07:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Free Fletching experience! I would kill so many yew log bots just for the fun of it. 02:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Bots are third party jar programs usually, meaning they can EDIT the game so macro detectors are useless, especially since the scripts they run just tell the mouse what to do. Trust me, I know botters.
 * 01:48, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 01:48, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Types of Macros Available
There are many types of macros, or \"SCAR Scripts\" available. Here is a small list of most of them.
 * 1) Air Running
 * 2) Tutorial Island running
 * 3) Attack scripts (can be set to fight just about anything, based on a specific color on the NPC)
 * 4) Flax picking/spinning/banking/any combo of picking/spinning/banking, or all 3.
 * 5) Bread cooking
 * 6) Random event completion scripts (usually written in conjunction with skill-based scripts)
 * Basically, if you can do something in RuneScape, you can make a script to do it. It basically consists of gathering color numbers for the scripts to find and identify, as well as X Y co-ords for where the mouse to go, and even inputting phrases to say, or things to type.
 * Writing a script is even easier, if you know what you\'re doing, for example, I took a crack at making a script that clicked a series of emotes, then walked to a specific location and back and it worked perfectly without flaw. It\'s not hard to do =\\ 67.159.50.130 06:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, I know how Jagex inputs new content, I know how they code everything and I know the perfect coding sequences to put in to make the "if they're macroing, make it possible to kill them" code. It's long, it's intriquite (however you spell it) and it may cause some lag. However, it is very possible....or, if Jagex was smart, they could just do what my buddy did. My buddy creates RuneScape Private Servers and he made one exactly like RS in every way. all working quests and skills, etc, and alot of the people who played his server tried to macro, however, my buddy had a foolproof system in his server, that, whenever someone ran an Autoclicker or SCAR, the game would auto-detect it, boot the player and send a global message, such as " IS A MACROER!". From what he told me, it was simple to code in. 67.159.50.130 06:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Macros air run now? I never guessed. Either way, if you're a mem, why not tell Jagex this "script"? It could help quite a bit. -- 00:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Although it is obsolete now, what was the percentage of false positives in the macro detection implemented by your brother? 23:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Around 2.5% believe it or not. 69.156.179.180 12:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to say, but the "color of the NPC" is not correct. I have a friend who possesses a botting program, and it detects the ID of the NPCs and the ID of the items(IDs are valid. Bones are 526. check in GE database for bones and look for the number "526". Also, it doesn't use SCAR scripts. It uses java source scripts. bots aren't all the same.

go to the forrest
I saw some bots in the forrest running around like crazy so i yelled hey noobs! i then kep saying that then i finellay said talk Noobs!!! and no answer. go to the forrest by wizards tower then you will see themCowboy2 00:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)cowboy2

umm.......this is to discuss about the article. If you want you can go to the forums to talk.00:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

ENd of macros?
plz take this off since there are tons that came back, they have found another way to transfer money, or they would have quit already 76.249.190.199 07:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And what is that way that they transfer money? You don't expect them to disappear instantly, as some companies might not know that RWT is impossible now, so they'll continue for a little while longer until someone buys (and buying rs gold is rare now, so it may take some time), which is when they'll discover that they can't deliver and then stop. -- 09:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I still don't understand why the update helped. Sure, the wilderness is smaller, but now because of that, there aren't any players to report the real-world traders. So bots can still wander freely in the Wildy, drop-trading and macroing. 22:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * But they can't drop trade, because the trading limit won't show the items to other players. And since they can't deliver gold anymore, there's no point farming it now. -- 00:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The update helped because it got rid off all but one of the ways to deliver gold to customers. The last way being giving the gold away in a drop party at Party Pete's, which would have many random players flocking to the area at the sight of "OMG DROP PARTY IN PARTY ROOM 5M", or whatever the bankers say. 00:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC) (Edit conflict)
 * What does that mean? Why not just drop-trade the gold, 3K at a time? 19:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That would take hours just to transfer 1M. I don't think most gold buyers have that much patience. Odds are, they'd be caught and banned while transferring. 06:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get it. Why resize the wildy, then, if the trading stake doesn't easily allow real-world trading anyway? 02:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That, I'm not 100% sure about. My guess is that gold sellers would start trading through the Wilderness in which the buyers kills the seller and gets all the money. 22:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, then Jagex should change it back. The resize has already lost them a ton of money; there's no point in keeping it if it's not needed. 00:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The update may have gotten rid of the real-world traders, but there's still the RuneScape players that auto-level and drop-trade. 22:45, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think i could help program a few things LOL.. well... maybe not yet.. still need to learn more ways to keep up with my coding. I could program scripts. NOT programs. Well used to. I made a random event generator (OFF TOPIC) and it tells me random phrases like A F5 Tornado strikes your house. and stuff its funny and cool It took a long time to make. After searching for a proper Random number code. O_O i mean it took monthes to find that stupid code O_O. but i got it. but then..... a virus got my computer and its gone *whimpers* All that hard work.. gone. I used to program batch. Trying very hard to learn C++ and i know Apple script very well when at school. << only place i can apple script LOL my computer here << Home is windows while at school is mac ^_^ 19:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Cool Story bro.... Gkstyles 03:06, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Obsolete
It says (Obsolete) everywhere in the article. I suggest that the obsolete thing be removed and just mentioned a few times in the paragraphs, instead of adding (obsolete) to every list in the article. 22:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Macro-Site
I have noticed that people on my friends list don't respond for weeks on end. And there are large groups of people mining pure essence (member's) non-stop and not talking. One of my friends finally chatted to me after 3 weeks non-stop logging in and out 24-7, claiming to have their account stolen by a website. If anyone knows more about this please add to this. post by 203.219.198.228‎ moved from the article

Take action against www.RSbot.org botting community
Since I am not permited of editing the main post to INFORM people of the community we should take action against for botting, I guess in the discussion tab I can say that rsbot botting community has done much harm to runescape, we need to find a way to take them down. Since they use reflected runescape client it is almost impossible to track them down. Please lets join to take down RSbot.org --70.45.23.223 00:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If this is how you feel, this is the perfect place to express it rather than in the actual article. Thanks -- 00:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes bottings bad, but without bots the runescape economy would crash, things like yew logs would be 4x the price and the people with high level skills would become richer, where as the newer members wont be able to afford things, or people who are to lazy to go get things themselves. So even thou it is completely unfair on us who play legitimately, it does has its advantages. 86.165.31.111Tom!86.165.31.111


 * have to disagree with you there, the economy would always adjust itself. say if yews were 4x the price, then you'd get 4x the cash for every log u cut, and you'd have 4x the money to spend on other things that would also go up - it's not about absolute prices but comparitive prices. bots ruin the economy by making it so that money-making is even harder for legit players, not only do we have to put in the effort of cutting logs or mining ore, but there is less ore and trees available because the bots have already gotten to them. this is especially so with rune ore mining and hunting in puro-puro, where the valuable resources are taken within a few seconds by a swarm of cheats.

Gold Farming
Gold farming doesn't just mean real world training. It could just mean Making money. As shown in the money making guide. I call it gold farming because its called meat farming on kingdomofloathing.com Which is meat is currency and its called that because its MAKING money Farming is MAKING. so please update this saying something else other then gold farming << REAL WORLD TRADING. its not true gold farming is just doing a task repeatedly to make money. 19:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC) PS: no matter what i call money making Gold farming. ^_^ sorry lol. I am used to it

Buyer macros not down
"A new feature (buy X) was also added for main stocks, whilst a buy 50 option is used in the player stocks. As a result, autobuying bots are very rare, if there are any of them left."

This isn't 100%. I saw many vial buyer, raw bird buyer etc bots.

OMG
Someone accused me of being a bot, what can I do to prove I'm not before I get blocked, they already reported me. Answer on my talk page please. Nman649

Botting, the pillar of the rs economy
Hi guys,

I'm here to have an argument, lol. My point is this: Botting/macroing is the pillar of the runescape economy, where would the mages be without the runecrafters, where would the runecrafters be without the ess miners? All three of those tasks are easily done with a bot. Where would the rangers be without the fletchers, where would the fletchers be without the woodcutters? again all three tasks can be done with a bot. Where would pkers be without cooked sharks, where would the cookers be without and endless supply of raw fish? again, all can be done with a bot.

I hope you are getting the point, without botters the rs economy would crash, prices would soar, and gold pieces would soon be worthless, sure botters can be annoying but they also fill a huge hole, do you want to make your own runes, arrows, armour, weapons etc? No you'd rather do what you love doing and avoid the rest?

Anyways i hope i have opened some eyes,

Cheers,

M4d St4ts

What about the professional woodcutters and fishers, people who spend hours getting there levels up and even longer getting the logs and fish. Just because JaGex gets rid of bots dosen't mean that the skill pures are just going to vanish and gold sinks like summoning, construction and mobilising armies are their specifically to prevent inflation. Also, sign your bloody posts this is a "talk" page not the "letter to Grandma" page.--Gbadude3 01:27, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Mr M4d St4ts point was bots gather raw materials like essence for the rune crafters so I'm not entirely sure how listing more raw materials that we have bots to thank for gathering is a counter arguement. He didn't mention skill pures so I'm not sure what your talking about there, he also didn't mention inflation so what is your post all about? Also, I'm not going to sign this because thats what I'd do if i was sending a letter to my Grandma but this is a talk page.

come on it's not like there's no other way to get essence or other resources! if bots weren't doing it all it'd be a much more attractive money-maker for legit players. we'd still get our ess, just we'd buy it from players who've actually played the game not just let a program gather it all for them.

Removed incorrect info
I have removed this part from the "identifying macroes" section:

"Will not respond to private, clan or public chat."

because it is not against any rules to ignore the chat (they even have the ability to turn chat off) and a good bot can detect chat and respond.

--Muhahaa 15:17, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Some bots have people behind them, they could enter some chat. Full Slayer Helmet! 11:31, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Permitaley banned
Is it true that you can be baned after just 1 offence of botting?Philyboy2010 21:29, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. I experimented with a macroing program a few years back and got the account I was using perm-banned in a day. -- 22:33, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

My account was banned because when i was away my friend used my acount to bot. How to i get unbaned?
 * This is what you get for giving away your password/using macros. In your appeal, mention that someone else had the password. Then it will most likely get locked and you will have to verify that you are the true owner of the account. If Jagex buys your story, you could be unbanned. Of course you would most likely leave the situation with a few black marks since you claimed to have shared your account. 22:57, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

my friend gave the account back to me but the damage is done. do you think they will unblock me? and how come the evidence category says none?

and how long will it take cuz its already been 2 days?

Say you got hacked. Also, your bots must suck. I have been botting for a year and have been noticeably reported and still haven't been banned. FTW!

Ivy?
It said that bots/macros could be at the Ivy plants. Why is that? I mean, the ivy plant doesn't give any logs, only xp. they would probably be at the yew trees, don't you think? RS Report 19:23, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fast levels so they can chop magic? Birds nest? I don't know, but it can probably be removed. Drag  nmn   talk  cont 16:56, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Its for EXP, so they can resell the accounts. 99WC is worth $50-$100

What to do against bots
Well, once I was at the Varrock Rune Shop place, and there was a HUGE amount of macroers. I read the article and started closing the door. Immediately all the people started running around like crazy in circles over and over again. I also tried to stand on Aubury and that worked pretty well. Reporting them is no use as there are so many you cant report all of them. Eventually the door opens and they win.... :( ..What can be done to hinder them further? Any ideas? What about other bots in other places? If you had the same experience this would be the place to write it. Full Slayer Helmet! 11:29, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * brilliant tip, thanks! i'm gonna go try it now and report all the bots it outs.


 * my own personal way is to follow the bot for a while, talking about what they're doing exactly that is bot-ish and non-human such as following the exact same route every single time or wahetever in the hopes that jagex will read my messages when they view the abuse report.

Is the auto talker allowed? i have used it for years and no bans.

No it isn't. Mute 24 hrs for first offence. I tried lol. Btw to stop them use a dwarf multicannon on the front door. Also I know bots that work for people standing on aubury

An bot for anti-bot?
Is it allowed to make a bot which closes doors to ruin macros?

I often go to the Rune-shop in Varrock to sabotate for bots!

Incorrect Term
While it's somewhat adequately defines in the rules, the common definition for a macro is incorrect. Things like Mousekeys (even though Jagex has said they don't mind it specifically) are macros, and not all macros are bots. I'm not sure where the start of this is, whether it's Jagex's misunderstanding (similar to the noob argument) or it's a player misunderstanding, but shouldn't it at least be noted in the wiki that it's bots that are illegal, and not macros?

First, we'd need a clear definition of "bot" and similarly of "macro". I'll work on that. -- 15:49, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it seems that this article should be named "Bot" instead of "Macro". The following definitions are from me based on information I read:

Macro: a program that runs a series of commands in a loop.

(Example of this is AutoTalker. AutoTalker simply types out and "says" that same thing over and over and over and over)

Bot: a more complex program that uses information on the screen to determine what command to execute next.

(Example: When a player's inventory is full of logs, the bot program recognises it, and goes to bank them. When it sees that a tree just respawned, it clicks on it.)

Note: most bots only recognise the Safe Mode RuneScape graphics.

''In my opinion, it would make more sense if this article was redirected to "Bot" or "Bot/Macro" and have the article explain thoroughly what each one is (once we get a better understanding of each). The reason being is that most players are using bots and not macroes. -- 16:38, July 2, 2010 (UTC)''


 * I was referring to the comp sci definitions of Macro, which is "a rule or pattern that specifies how a certain input sequence (often a sequence of characters) should be mapped to an output sequence" (wikipedia) In this case, and in MMOs as a whole, it refers to the use of one input method to work for another, in example, using a numpad to generate mouseclicks via MouseKeys, or say in WoW, setting a hotkey to use multiple abilities or items at once. Yes, a macro can be set up to generate more than one output to an input, but not all of those are against the rules either (for example, a hotkey to right-click, move down x pixels, and left click, because it only causes one action of the character, does not break the rule of pairs).


 * Further, the term bot, short for robot (meaning an automated, self-contained program or system), is what's against the rules. A macro is only directly against the rules when it automates responses, at which point, it is a bot. (Also, bots come in two flavors, input-readers and output-readers, one responds to information sent to the client, the other responds to colors, patterns, or images on the screen).


 * All bots are against the rules, and all bots are macros, but not all macros are bots; otherwise, lots of alchers would be banned a long time ago. Aitamen 06:12, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Where r they?
I NEVER see any bots. I really want to see one up close. Even south of Falador, none. What worlds do they like? The less busy ones? 69.176.183.250 00:58, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * They're a bit rarer now that the anti-RWT measures were put in place. You might not be able to find much anymore, but, the best thing to see may be the busy worlds, as the resources respawn a bit faster than less populated worlds. 01:01, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank You very much! 69.176.183.250 21:10, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed a section of the article. Quote: "(using bots for more than 4 or 5 hours without having it take breaks will almost certainly result in a ban)". Theres no reason to include that information besides helping people that use bots, which are illegal.
 * Thank You very much! 69.176.183.250 21:10, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed a section of the article. Quote: "(using bots for more than 4 or 5 hours without having it take breaks will almost certainly result in a ban)". Theres no reason to include that information besides helping people that use bots, which are illegal.
 * I removed a section of the article. Quote: "(using bots for more than 4 or 5 hours without having it take breaks will almost certainly result in a ban)". Theres no reason to include that information besides helping people that use bots, which are illegal.