Talk:Fist of Guthix

Fist of Guthix
Is this members only? --124.180.15.93 06:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC) no um but some rewards are

Degrading
This concerns the Degrading Equipment. Once it is fully degraded it can be traded. What is the current way to "repair/recharge" it or is it not possible at this point (like the Black Mask)?

~Ixindor~


 * Use whatever item (only when it's completely depleted) with the guy that you buy the items from in the first place, he'll recharge the items for a "small fee". Regabuh 18:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Is the "small fee" actual cash or more points earned from the Minigame? ~Ixindor~


 * Points from the minigame. So even if you just buy the items from the Grand Exchange, you still have to play the game to use the items to their full extent. Regabuh 18:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Crap, it looks like I won't be using any of the new items anytime soon. DANGIT! Oh well, might want to put that in the article somewhere. I'm sure others are wanting to know how to recharge the items.

~Ixindor~


 * Done, added general information to the shop and the tokens which were not mentioned before. Regabuh 19:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You know, the article doesn't list the repair costs (last I looked)... could anyone who knows put those up? I would, but I haven't been there yet... --Pikaandpi 17:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, hello... the token article has a nice list of costs, with repair costs, too. Could we copy it over here? --Pikaandpi 19:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Jesus,fricking dragon gaults areworth 600k in g/e!

If they are degraded can you still wear them?--66.99.53.29 19:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

new main pic
It would be nice to have a fresh pic to replace the one swiped from runescape.com ... anyone have any action pics to upload? 23:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC) ill make some screenshots, and put the best here--RFZ 00:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Huge glitch
I want to confirm this from others before I put it in but twice while I was the hunter, when the player was D-doting and I right-clicked on them, the options Walk here X, Follow X and Trade with X appeared but not the all important Attack X though it was present for the others.
 * It does that sometimes... it bumps the Attack option much lower than the Walk here, Follow, and Trade options. You have to search for it. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Thrashmeister/Video%20Games/reversescythe2.png Rowanq25 [[Image:Scythe.PNG|20px|]] [ U | T | C ] 13:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This only happens when the hunted player is wearing the same Wilderness team cape as you. (Doh! Remember? :P) For that reason, if this is really annoying, you might wish to take your cape off when you are hunting. 00:38, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Some question

 * Can high/low alchem usable in the fighting area? Template:Signatures/xdragonaite 13:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

no 

Would the hitpoints dealt by magic or melee count as experience? 07:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently yes. I got a level of magic in there. 216.165.20.40 23:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Answer and info
When you want to alch anything the message says "youre not here to do it" (when youre hunter). When youre hunted you cant use any spells..I also added some glitches screens, that Jagex should see;)--RFZ 16:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The lv 260 wilderness glotch can be explained. The game is in only ONE big grid. First floors, dungeons and so on have thier own seperate areas on this grid as to prevent things like seeing the wizard tower from the steel dragons etc. The fists of guthix part of the grid is very far north, and for a short time (Until java rejisters the end of wildy command) you see what wilderness level that place would have if it were in the wild. Artwich 14:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Updates
Does anyone know what all changed with today's game update? 16:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They even not informed us, so i think, that theyre just fixing glitches, adding lots of patches (for all i have shown, ane 3-5x "fights with same Player", wchich makes me laught, and opposite Player cry) ---RFZ 16:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They changed the teleport houses so that when you exit one, you will not be able to immediately go back in one. Useful I guess, just wish they'd hurry up and get to the main problems... Regabuh 19:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Broken weapons
Anyone here know exactly what happens when weapons are completely degraded? From some people, I've heard you can't wield the item at all, other people said that some of the bonuses are reduced (but to what extent I don't know). I tried to buy a broken Rune Berserker from the G.E. to check myself, but even at the max price nobody was selling. Anybody know? Regabuh 21:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Uncharged items have significantly reduced stats." Quote from KB Artwich 14:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You can still wield them

indeed, theylle have reduced stats, and as for items such as the magic robes, their set effect will stop working, the skill gloves of course, crumble to dust


 * Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Regabuh 19:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Number of tokens you get when you win???
Is their a formula to determin the number of tokens you get when you actualy win (neather person resigns)? Based on what i've seen it is ((total lvl + difference of charges) /100) = total number of tokens. Does anyone find it to be any different? mathwiz908 17:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I got different results - I won, 2407 to 712, so a 1695 score difference, with a total level of 744. I got 13 tokens for the match, though by the formula if would've gotten 24. Neither of us resigned. - Regabuh 19:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In that case, it might be closer to ((total lvl + difference of charges) /200). The fact that is is 13 and not 12 could be due to a decimal. Mathwiz908 21:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely closer, I did some more matches and here are the results (keep in mind, total lvl still 744): Won 734 to 0, got 6 tokens. Your formula gives a 7 token output, so the divisor might be slightly higher than 200, but it's very close. A second match, won 1192 to 227 (965 difference), and got 8 tokens - Matches perfectly. You probably want to get a second opinion from someone else (preferably with a considerably different total lvl), but I'd say the formula you came up with is very close. - Regabuh 02:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember that RuneScape always uses integer arithmetic for its formulas, i.e. every step of its calculations will be truncated. That being said, I feel that if those were the only two factors relating to the amount of tokens a player gets, then the formula would be something like $$\left\lfloor \frac {\text{Total level}}a \right\rfloor + \left\lfloor \frac {\Delta \text{Charges}}b \right\rfloor$$ where $$a$$ and $$b$$ are some constants, and we have to find those constants.
 * However, it might be possible that there is another factor in play here, such as difference of combat level. 00:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The combat level is definitely a factor in the rating received. It may also be a factor in the number of tokens.Cry 4 Merci 19:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

My total level is 592, and when i get 5000 charges i get 17 tokens. (wich according to your forumla should be 28.)

Wearing off
Are those new stuff - spikeshields, gloves are decrasing during safe minigames like CW or FoG?--RFZ 03:00, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty confident that yes, they decrease with any use, including safe minigames. - Regabuh 04:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've played FoG with my combat robes and they have degraded. Excalo 20:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

gauntlet degradation
ok, according to the kb, the gauntlets degrade upon death, does this include death in safe games? FireyfoxImage:Armadyl symbol.PNG|34px 07:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

no, i have died several times in safe minigames and my rune gauntlets have not degraded. JU®n¥mAñ01 16:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

They should degrade on death. Excalo 20:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Clarification: They only degrade when you die "unsafely" i.e. you would normally lose all but 3 of your items (4 with protect item, 0 with skull). If you would normally keep your items in a certain scenario, then they will not degrade. 00:25, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Queen Camel
I want confirmation on that queen camel thing., 07:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

There is no queen camel. If you think the earwig Fiara looks like a camel, you are very odd indeed


 * He means the Player's clan chat which is also called Fist of Guthix (likely without spaces) and is mentioned in the clan chat. Come to think of it, though, do we really need that in the article? --Pikaandpi 12:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Personally, I think the references to Queen Camel and the Fists of Guthix (plural) chat should be removed. It just seems like free advertising to me, and the clan nor owner are particularly notable for an encyclopedia. Not to mention the rule regarding pages about players or clans - While this whole page isn't about Queen Camel or the clan alone, it mentions them more than once. I say remove all references. - Regabuh 16:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

large glitch
This has happened to me twice now in 20 games, The arrow stays put even when the person has teleported or gone, and i ran out of screen to the other side, ran back and it was still there, i noticed the arrow stuck behind a wall, so i went round the wall and ran in the ooposite direction off screen, it was still stuck, in the end i had to find the person by what they wore and killed them then, of course I lost because I had no idea where they were. 12:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Glich on the article
For the top where it says "Did you mean the minigame Tears of guthix?" the link brings you to the quest page, not the minigame page. Was that what you wanted the link to go to or was that a mistake?Mathwiz908 09:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. 10:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

members or f2p?

like it says it's both. 09:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Magic Exp
Do you only get half?

no you get full exp, thats why its a good place to train magic because you get free runes.

PS: please sign all your posts with 4 tildes JU®n¥mAñ01 23:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

it's not really that good a place to train your magic, you only get the cast exp + their hp which is limited to 99 or below and their bandage supply, 1.5k exp in 3 mins is bad exp in my book. 11:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Just lower your attack bonus to do 0 damage and you'll maximize casts. the best for members is to use claws of guthix with a void knight mace. Axearmour1 04:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

When I used a bind in fog, I only got 15 exp compared to the usual 30 exp which is weird and the other spells also only give half exp 99.238.23.134 00:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It has been confirmed that the experience earned while fighting another player in Fist of Guthix will be halved, regardless of whether the player is fighting with melee, ranged, or magic. This is apparently an attempt to prevent overload of servers otherwise. 00:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

A really bad glitch
Well, I was FoG-ing today and I couldn't find my hunted. As if he was invisible! He probably was house hugging, but for four fifths of the time??? Come on, how is that possible! At first I saw him, he was a lvl 14 warrior. I 11--dmged him and then he disappeared!!! That's impossible, isn't it?
 * It is impossible. My guess was that you were running around the arena searching for him, right? He was probably running in the same way as you to avoid you. When he disappeared, he must have used the tele-orb, which sometimes skips the animation if it's laggy. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Thrashmeister/Video%20Games/reversescythe2.png Rowanq25 [[Image:Scythe.PNG|20px|]] [ U | T | C ] 13:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * A lv 14 warrior would have died in the houses (thats if u can die in the house). And the yellow arrow tends to miss up a little bit too. But people in Fog once in a while do turn "invisible" as you said. It has happened to me every time. And i was sure it it when i tryed it with 2 computers. Both charaters in the middle (off to the side, so ur out of the crowed), but still the hunter chouldnt see the hunted. Its most likely becasue of the number of people in the Fog at once. It wont happend in a non-Fog world, unless its packed too(unlikely).

Some questions (degradation, etc)

 * 1) Does the armor degrade by being hit or by taking damage?
 * 2) I saw the most unfair thing today! A little lvl 13 was up against a lvl 124 (had a defense skill cape).  Not only could he not damage him with prayer on, but he couldn't damage him with just his rune armor on..  I think Jagex needs to close the range a "little" bit.  I understand the need to make it fair for non-pkpures, but the gap doesn't neep to be THAT big.

I may think of more.. 22:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Possible explaination for 260 glich
I think that it is possible that the fist of guthix is in the Unknown at a disance where it can't be seen and that the wilderness factor was taken out exept for that small area. Mathwiz908 11:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

World 179
It says on the article that world 179 is a Fist of Guthix themed world. World 179 does not exist. I think that a user should fix this. 76.127.209.51
 * You could have fixed it yourself very easily, but okay... fixed. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Thrashmeister/Video%20Games/reversescythe2.png Rowanq25 [[Image:Scythe.PNG|20px|]] [ U | T | C ] 13:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

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Do I lose arrows that I use in Fist of Guthix??????
 * Yes, you do lose arrows, but only those that would normally be lost due to them "breaking", etc. 00:20, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Summoning?
Do i lose pouches or time doing fog? or does it get all the time back at the end? 23:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I dont think you can summon a familiar in this mini-game anyway.mr_o_crocodile@yahoo.com 19:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

You can absolutely use familiars, including combat familiars... I don't believe you get the time back, but I have always dismissed mine during the hunted phase, because they just lead people to you and prevent you from entering the safe houses. 198.175.199.194 11:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Stat Effectiveness
Hi, I was wondering if anyone else had noticed that when you are playing against a higher leveled player in FoG, the lower player seems to have their stat effectiveness reduced when they are being hunted. Is this a bug? or is it meant to happen? I find it worrying that higher level players have more advantages than just level, I thought part of the reason for reducing stat effectiveness was to give lower levels a chance of actually winning it.

Lpeters 21:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It works in reverse, too, though. Higher-leveled players will be easier to kill when they are hunted than otherwise. If stats were not reduced, higher-leveled players would easily be able to kill their target, and, more importantly, not get damaged by them when they are hunted. They could easily just hug the wall and gather enough charges. inclusivedisjunction 03:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes but it's lower-leveled players that are getting their stats reduced not the higher-leveled players. Lpeters 19:23, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Shouldn't there be two pages related to Fist of Guthix, with a disambiguation page to separate the two? I am of course talking about a) the mini-game (this page) and b) the item 'Fist of Guthix' which we now know is the same item as the Stone of Jas and the Eye of Saradomin. Also read Movarios' notes volume 1 and Movarios' notes volume 2 Xena Dragon 21:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

What does this mean?
What does "There were not enough people in the waiting room to set you up with an opponent" mean? I sometimes get this message when I play Fist of Guthix. 69.181.224.126 06:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * To play the game, there must be an even number of players in the game, at least 18, and, unfortunately, you are the 19th player. mr_o_crocodile@yahoo.com 18:59, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

One thing I noticed
Has anyone noticed that your hunter finds you more easily in less crowded worlds? Why is it that way while your hunter seems to have trouble finding you when it's more crowded?


 * I'd say there are more names to sort through on the list if you stand in the center and a more crowded playing field Battlecity0 04:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it might be due to lag, because when you lag it is harder to see the arrow indicating the position of the hunted. In less laggy worlds, you may see the arrow when the hunted is farther away from you.

Question
Why the heck do I always start as the hunted? I know its random but I get started as the hunted like 5 or 6 games in a row. Isnt that a bit much?69.181.247.231 03:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's probably just bad luck. Every time I go to play FOG, I almost always start as the same thing during that playing session, but may almost always be the other during the next session. 04:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Clans?
Are there any FOG Clans that are on random worlds for less populated games? My computer lags me out of the game, and I'm tired of it. Please list some F2P ones. rock dan (RS username -- PM me please)

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Factual correction
I play Fist of Guthix very often, (almost 80K rating now, ranked top 40 yaaay) so I've noticed tons of miscellaneous errors in this article, which I'm going to correct. Its a Pwner 07:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I've changed most of them now. I think I'll screenshot/upload my rating when I hit 80,000. :P Its a Pwner 07:18, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Forfeiting
I've seen players threatening to forfeit so that their opponents will receive less tokens, is this true? Or will only the forfeiter receive less tokens?

Fact or fiction?
First: Hunter defense appears to increase when at the center,

''Conversely, decreases at the edge. (Opposite of hunted)''

Noticed after I whacked a noob for fun, while as hunted.

Can this be confirmed? Thanks!

Edit: Also, dancing (2 people following each other) helps to stall hunters for me. Should add to tips?


 * It's not actually the hunter's defence increasing in the middle, it's the hunted's attack decreasing :P. You could add dancing to tips if you want, but I personally don't think it's very effective. --Its a Pwner 03:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)