User talk:Vhosythe42

=IMO, this is important.= I'm an enviromental freak.

Everyone please start using Darkrunescapewiki.com instead of the regular Wiki. It may seem insane, but the reason for this is that the pixels on your computer screen will be darker, thus saving energy. If Blackle could do what Google could without the wasted energy, why can't we?

Personal Pictures
22:51, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You've now uploaded a personal image three times. Please, do not upload personal images to this Wiki.  Instead, use a site such as ImageShack.


 * Thanks,
 * 23:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Do not reupload images if they have been deleted, especially if they are personal images. Consider this your warning. If it continues you may be temporarily blocked from editing. 23:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - Dude, you really need to stop uploading images on the wikia that are not directly related to RuneScape. Try using an external site, as mentioned above to incorporate these images to your userspace. 01:02, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

World 85
I used to hang out there when I was a f2p (waaaay back in early '07). It's the home world for all my alternate accounts as well. 01:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

DDD
Please read up on this policy in regards to the removal of discussions: RS:DDD

Thanks and happy editing!

17:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Forums
I have banned you from the forums until February 1st, due to your general talking down to a few users on the "Should RuneScape have more forests and land" topic. See you next month, and try not to flame on the forums, especially if you're new. 22:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

RuneScape:User treatment policy
Please read over that policy. Treat all users as you would want to be treated. Editing someone's signature like you did to Instant's wasn't nice at all. This time consider it a gentle reminder to be nice. However, if it continues then you could face a temporary block in the future. 05:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I wasn't talking about the forums. I was talking about what you did to Instant's signature. I barely post on the forums and I didn't even deal with that situation so I fail to see how you can complain to me about that. Also, I obviously wouldn't delete a comment. Take some time to calm down.

The Unfortunate Truth
It wasn't you who banned me from the forums, it was some asshole in the "Should rs have more forest or land" thread. Since I'm not allowed in the forums until then, I can't go back to check exacly who it was. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IT WAS, THOUGH, because all admins on these damned sites are stereotypical tyrants.


 * If you could provide me with some evidence then I'll see what I can do to clarify the situation. Again, please try to calm down. 17:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Should I make a new account or borrow someone's? The ban has disabled the "forums" link. --Vhosythe42 18:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No, that would be ban evasion which is liable to increase the length of your ban. Again, if you can provide me with some evidence I'll see if I can get some clarification for you. 18:21, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

http://runescape.wikia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3125&start=60 Now, I know I instigated with my first post that was on page 7. However, I would have stopped had GodOfWar not further antagonised. --Vhosythe42 18:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I would guess that you were banned because you instigated the flame war but I'm not really sure what all went on. I'd recommend contacting Instant on his talk page to calmly work this out. 19:05, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to add captions to photos from image hosting sites but "URL" should align them. 19:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

If you insult me one more time I will do everything I can to get you banned here '''permanently. Stop calling me an asshole NOW. One more comment and I will ban you from the forums for much longer than a week.''' If you can't take your consequences maturely, I will give you more punishment. 19:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Your Recent Actions
Hello there, now I've noticed your actions in the last few days and see that you've been flaming, libeling, and harrassing users, this is a violation of the user treatment policy. I'll be frank, there is no problem with you disputing a ban (and certainly no problem with being unhappy with being banned); however, you must stop swearing at/insulting users or action will be taken against your account on the wiki rather than just the forums.-- 20:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Azaz129; thank you SO much for being the first open-minded administrator I've met thus far on RuneWiki. I was seriously beginning to believe everything I was saying to the others (which started as a mere rant). Of course, I have no excuse for my current actions, although the ban from the forums is still debatable in my opinion. What is your view on the matter? --Vhosythe42 20:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * According to our user policies on the wiki (in summation they say not to swear/insult others) a week block can be justified, (typically it's easier to wait the week and just try to be nice). I'll admit that I'm not active on the forums or the most up to date on forum policy, but I do agree that your behavior on the thread was a bit aggressive, my recommendation is to wait out the block, you'll find many users on this site who have been blocked for things like this have gone on to become excellent members of the community and are quite happy editting here. I'm sure with a little refinement of your actions that you'll find many people here to be quite pleasant.-- 20:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll consider it. LOL, J/K. :P I assure you, I only act the way I had when I'm instigated (you surely know that if you've read my page). However, next time God Of War or someone else does such a thing, instead of flaming them back I'll inform you. Thank you for the input. --Vhosythe42 20:30, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Blocked from editing?!
What's the matter, adding more insightful pictures to pages isn't allowed? Or if this is about the fact that I changed InstantWinston's signature ONCE, I think it should be obvious by now that I never read directions (in this case, rules of conduct). Besides, he has edited mine on many occasions too. --Vhosythe42 21:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The block was for the repeated flaming on your user page (and other places). WWTDD? 21:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Flaming on my user page? Do you mean my "User:Vhosythe42"?! I didn't flame ANYONE on there and you know it. If I did, find proof. But you won't because I didn't. --Vhosythe42 21:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Your comments on Instant's talk page were unacceptable. I asked you to calmly work it out with him. 22:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The flaming went both ways, but admins are blameless, right? They're allowed to conceal their mistakes and ban anyone who follows their example. It's obvious that nobody can win against such tyranny, so it's futile for me to bring this any further. It's a shame; I really thought this was a cool site before I actually spoke with a few of RuneWiki's many autocrats. It's a wonder how RuneWiki stays afloat when we normal users are treated like slaves by the site's leaders, isn't it? No, of course not, because you're an admin and, like all other admins, you're too important to have blame. --Vhosythe42 23:20, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * So we're power-hungry dictators with no souls? Sorry, but I have one thing to say to that: WTF? Get a life, dude, and leave the wiki if all you're gonna do is flame us. I will protect this talk page if we have to, so NO ONE will edit it. That way, the arguing will stop, and you can cool down. If anything, YOU are the cause of all this trouble for you, not God of War. It doesn't matter if it went both ways... you didn't stop flaming.
 * I have only recently been following this since Instant has been telling me in-game about you, Vho, but I can already see that you behave much like a little kid with nothing more to do than to get on the Internet and flame us wiki users. I will gladly stand by Instant in getting you permabanned if you don't stop throwing a virutal temper tantrum.

Compromise
To be honest, I find the behavior on both sides unacceptable. The only mature person has been Azaz, but that's expected, I suppose. ;)

Vhosy, I don't think I need to reprimand you much. You've been reprimanded enough already.

As for everyone else, come on. You're more mature than this. I've been working side-by-side, peacefully, with all of you for quite some time now. You are all top-notch contributors, insightful in nearly all situations. But the second insults start flying, it's like you have to take a side and stick to it.

I'll admit, I'm no policy expert. However, I do know that part of being a wiki means that we maintain a neutral point of view. While we most often only regard this rule as applying to articles, it can apply in arguments, as well. If you step back and refrain from bickering, the argumentative atmosphere will subside. Act supportive, rather than arrogant. Threatening to punish is against the spirit of wikis. Wikipedia says it best: punitive discipline has no place here. Put simply, all consequences are meant to protect the wiki, rather than to punish the offender.

The day that this talk page gets protected would be a sad, sad day for the RuneScape wiki. Vhosythe42 is expressing his opinions here legitimately, and he may continue to do so. If steam starts shooting out of your ears because of it, that just shows your inability to handle tough situations. May I also remind you what is not the job of an administrator: to settle disputes. Edit wars, maybe, but under no condition may your powers be the end-all of an argument. You would be stepping out of your place by completely cutting off Vhosythe42, and the community will hold you accountable for your actions. Administrators are not people with a higher rank than everybody else, they're just contributors trusted in having access to a few extra buttons.

And Vhosythe42, I'm disappointed in you, too. Maybe your actions were justified, maybe they weren't. Regardless, the community agreed that this wiki needed to be "protected" from you temporarily. You should have used that time to cool down a bit and read up on wiki policies. If you had done so, you would have found that many of the threats against you were in violation of them, and you could have constructively brought up those facts—finger pointing won't get you anywhere, as justified as you may feel it is. The only way you can hold people accountable here is with the &lt;ref&gt; tag—literally.

"I have only recently been following this since Instant has been telling me in-game about you, Vho, but I can already see that you behave much like a little kid with nothing more to do than to get on the Internet and flame us wiki users. I will gladly stand by Instant in getting you permabanned if you don't stop throwing a virutal temper tantrum. (Stinkowing)"

Stinkowing and Instant, if you follow through with your threat, you can be sure that I will bring your actions to the attention of all who peruse the Yew Grove. They may back you up, they may not; but regardless, you will be held accountable for your actions. Vhosythe42 might just have the potential to become a loyal contributor. If you are found to have ruined that potential, I doubt you will be praised.

Both sides of this argument need to learn to control their tempers. Vhosythe42 is not the only one "throwing a [virtual] temper tantrum."

So, now that I've blabbered on a bit, I'll offer a compromise:


 * 1) Vhosythe42, you will remain banned from the forums until your week is up.
 * 2) Contributors siding against Vhosythe42 will back down and control their temperments.  As Azaz once said, a bad temper can lead to your downfall via the Yew Grove.  He was 100% right.
 * 3) If you don't have anything constructive to say regarding this situation, do not say it.  If you must say something hurtful, write it on a piece of paper, then rip it up into shreds (and put all your anger into doing so).  That may help relieve your temper; then your mind will be clearer, and you may be able to contribute some positive, constructive, and insightful suggestions.
 * 4) Vhosythe42 will be allowed to edit the wiki as would a normal user.  All current edit restrictions will be removed.
 * 5) I will personally mentor Vhosythe42.  I honestly believe his ambition can be used to better this wiki, and I am sure he will make a top-notch contributor in no time.  He just needs a little guidance, which all this bickering is not providing him.  If he has any questions about whether or not he should keep his mouth shut or how he should react in a certain situation, I will gladly give him advice.  I will also watch all his actions, giving him constructive feedback wherever it may be needed.

So, there you have it. I've basically offered to take this problem out of everyone's hands and guide Vhosythe42 myself, as I'm sure he has the talent needed to contribute to this wiki in amazing ways. I see no reason that anyone should object, as it's very unlikely that any more harm could come from Vhosythe42 if everyone can keep their cool regarding this matter.

18:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Discussion
Support - as it is my proposition 18:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I oppose - Here's the timeline. He started insulting TheVi0lence on the forums, God of War started flaming back. Flame war commenced. God of War alerted me on my talk asking me to put an end to it, so I banned Vho for 8 days from the forums. I could have banned God of War as well had he not been defending a fellow user. Vho throws a fit and starts calling me every name in the book on multiple user's talk pages for handling the situation. He accuses me of violating RS:DDD, which in fact, he was the one violating. Now people like Supertech believe that an edit war went down, when their was none in reality. I, of course, get defensive about it because I'm being harassed by someone I don't even know. He deserves a longer block if anything changes. There is nothing to justify the insane amount of personal attacks you've made. Also, Supertech isn't an admin, Vho. 21:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - Wouldn't you be upset, too, if you felt you were banned unjustly, and then were continuously banned further each time you objected? Whether or not the ban was actually unjust is irrelevant; he felt that it was unjust, and that explains his actions.  Remember, part of the problem with punitive discipline is that it creates splits in social ranks, thereby causing major discrepancies in the points of view of different users.  You did more or less the right thing, Instant; that is not the issue.  The issue at hand is how can we prevent this from happening again in the future.  After all that he's been through, do you really think Vhosythe42 would go off on a flame rant again?  Throw in the added security of guidance, and I think we can safely assume that Vhosythe42 will not be angering you or anyone else.  However, if everyone keeps up with these temper tantrums, I don't blame him for continuing to flame.  So let's actually do something about this problem rather than flaming, threatening, and banning potentially successful contributors.  22:16, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. - I didn't say anything about an edit war. I am only working with facts that I have confirmed first hand, so don't worry about me being misinformed.  Thank you for being cautious about what information is used to come to a conclusion, though.  That's the sort of thinking we need in this situation: solid, clear, and based off legitimate facts/events.

The Second Party's Response
See, Stinkowing? See what you wrote?
 * "If anything, YOU are the cause of all this trouble for you, not God of War. It doesn't matter if it went both ways..."

Is any more proof needed from you? Obviously not, but thank you for being brought to the stand on my behalf, whether it was intentional or not. As for the compromise by Supertech, I still have yet to read the whole thing, but what I have read (it's very long) sounds reasonable.

EDIT: I have now read the entire proposal, and am pleased to see an admin doing what they're supposed to do. I'm also glad to now be informed that admins aren't allowed to make threats; I now know how to deal with them accordingly, although I don't use the Yew Grove often. Thank you, Supertech, for being the only one mature enough (excluding Azaz) to put a proper end to this. I will happily embrace this proposal if you're willing to stick with it too. --Vhosythe42 21:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Vhosythe42, thank you. However, I'd just like to point out that there is no "second party".  If you accept my offer (as you have), you will be working side by side with the people you are putting down, so I don't recommend continuing to do so.  You will have to learn to cooperate with them and consider the community an "us", not a "them" and a "me".  22:16, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

What I meant by that was:
 * 1st person= "me" (from your point of view, yourself)
 * 2nd person = "you" (me, from your view)
 * 3rd person = "them" (everyone else involved who you aren't directing your comments to on this talk page.)

Plus, I needed an okay title. :P

BTW, I'm in the process of getting my hacked account back right now, since someone has changed the password. My RuneWiki is just fine, but I'm trying to change my actual RS character's pass. I'll be able to log onto the Wiki a lot more often once I either get it back or give up trying. :( --Vhosythe42 17:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Vhosythe42, I have a bit of experience in that area. If you need any help, please don't hesitate to let me know.  And good luck!   17:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Jagex has finally decided to get off its ass and help me (for once), and my account is now safe. However, I won't be able to be "tutored" until my IP address lets me edit pages again. It needs to be removed by yourself (or Revan, if he's the only one who can). Vhosythe42 21:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Your block will end on the 31st. Nobody will unblock you until it expires. You earned it fair and square. 21:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Did I ask you? No, but you're gonna try to bring up another flame war. Why? Because your mind is fogged by conceit, and you always have to have the last word. How's this sound: leave me alone. I'm sick of having to deal with you while the rest of the mods on this site are trying to be helpful. Supertech has already clarified what you are and are not allowed to do with your power, and so far, you've more than abused it. It would be pointless for Supertech1 to help me if you weren't either going to stay out of it or actually help him. Therefore, I don't think mods will find it very helpful for you to stay here, trying to rekindle a flame war.

P.S. I was able to edit pages after I was "banned" from the forums. Using something known as "common sense", that means the two are unrelated. I don't know whether they're the same ban or not, but I remember being able to edit my user page after that, while I can't now. Vhosythe42 21:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Super isn't even an admin. I didn't abuse my power other than banning you from the forums. Sir Revan banned you from the wiki. It's very much my business, so I can in fact talk here. You can't just get out of a punishment because you "apologized" to everyone else while remaining hostile to me. I'll drop it if you will let your block expire without saying anything about me involving "conceited", "hypocritical", etc. To clarify, I'll drop it if you stop insulting me. 21:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know whether you deleted it or not (when you're not allowed to), but there is proof scattered around the Wiki of you doing what you're not allowed to with your adminship. Call me a snitch or a rat or a weasel or whatever you want to, but I will use it if necessary. So yes, we will drop it, and if you ever try anything like this again, I will gladly use it against you. This is the end of it, for now. Vhosythe42 22:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Prove it. 22:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

When you give me reason to, I will. Otherwise, you may have some absurd reason to ban me further, one that I don't know of due to not reading all 12,000 of this Wiki's rule pages. >_< Vhosythe42 22:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I am extending your block for a month for your intolerable behavior towards Instant. He is my friend, and I'm not letting him quit the wiki just because you trolled him to his grave. Intimidation tactics are not welcome here


 * O, really: banning a user for your own personal gain? Is that allowed? He can quit if he wants to. While I welcome it fully, I'm not forcing him to do anything. As for you, I'm quite sure it's intolerable to ban me while I directly have nothing to do with it! Did I stick a gun to his head and force him to say he's gonna quit? No. Where does he say I'm the reason I'm gonna quit? You tell me. Are you sure he's not lying so he can take me down with him? I'm SUPPOSED to be innocent until proven guilty. And where's the proof that I'm to blame for his blackmail of quitting? Vhosythe42 22:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

No, I want to see all of the proof now. Or otherwise I'll have no choice but to call BS on your bluff. 22:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I want you to think it's a bluff. That way, you'll let your guard down and give me an opportunity to use the existing proof if I need it. =] Vhosythe42 22:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

No, this is reason enough. Please show me everything I've done. Show the whole world how much of a power-abusing hypocrite I am. Be my downfall. 22:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm saving it for the ideal moment: the moment when you decide to actually abuse it again. Go on, think it's a bluff: that will just make my windows of opportunity more frequent and larger in size. If I were to use it right now, I wouldn't be able to save it for the next time you try to threaten me into being good or anything else you may or may not do in the future. Am I bluffing or not? Find out next time. ;] Vhosythe42 22:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Enough.
Your behavior is inexcusable, and as such, you are no longer welcome here on RuneScape Wikia. You have been permanently blocked for harrassing other users. You had your chance to be nice, yet you abused your rights as an editor and have used scare tactics to get your way. That is despisable, and will NOT be tolerated. For your own good, I'm protecting your talk page as well; you have proven to me that you are incapable of handling yourself, and leaving your talk open would only fuel the fire more.

My behavior's inexcusable, it is, but you're trying to fabricate the lie that yours is not only condonable but also encouraged? I was unbanned from the forums by Chiafriend12 for the sole reason that YOUR behavior is inexcusable! Oh, the hypocrisy. Anyway, nice try. Now, at least I'm educated on what admins are and aren't allowed to do with their power. Maybe you're not such an autocrat after all, but only because you're not allowed to be... Vhosythe42 18:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

What did all of that even mean? 22:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to bite my tongue and ignore the massive window of opportunity that just flew by; otherwise, I might get Stinkow banned if he tries to falsely punish me again. :S Vhosythe42 22:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

You mean you can tell me how I abused my nonexistant sysop powers? :D 23:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC) I'll forget I have that evidence before I get the chance to use it and most likely just pretend that I'm letting you off easy. :D Vhosythe42 01:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

You sure do love mind games, eh? I'd like to tell you that I know you were bluffing the whole time. You say you have evidence all over the wiki that I abuse my powers. However, I am not an admin on the wiki. Only the forums. Checkmate pl0x? 01:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Not yet, but you certainly have my King on the defensive while I'm running out of Pawns! No, I wasn't bluffing at all; however, now that I look back at it, I don't think the evidence would have stood up in court very well. :P
 * P.S. He plans on removing my editing ban, right? There'll be no point in me being on here if I'm not allowed to edit. After all, the little quarrel we had had nothing to do with editing Wiki pages! -Vhosythe42 14:00, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if I'm intruding on this.....argument, but what did Vhosythe42 do? An infinite block is really harsh for someone who hasn't vandalised any of the articles here.... 14:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The first ban (week-long) was the only one I earned fair and square, by insulting users in the forum. Once Stinkowing learned that I was rebelling against my ban (which I thought was unfair at the time), though, he followed his "philosophy" on vandalism and INSTANTLY decided to ban me for another month, and then for good. Why? For his own personal gain, since I wasn't explicitly doing EVERYTHING he told me to do as if he was God. I'm aware that I'm not supposed to flame users' talkpages, but aren't I allowed to my own opinion? Not if he disagrees with it, apparently! Chiafriend12, being the wise and just person that he is, was the only reason that I was able to come back to this site: he, too, believed that what Stinkowing did was unacceptable. He, Supertech1 and yourself seem to be the only reasonable sysops on this site. If there weren't any people like you, the kind who know a lack of jusitice when the see it, I wouldn't have wanted to come back. [/rant]


 * Note: I'm aware that I'm very biased against Stinkowing. But if he wants to prove that he isn't a tyrant with an insatiable hunger for power, he'll leave me to my opinion without going postal the way he did when I "intimidated Instant and [him]." Yes, I checked: that is the reason why I'm not allowed to make the Wiki a better place! -Vhosythe42 17:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I think it's time for a compromise. I originally only wanted you to maturely accept your forum ban. You obviously weren't mature about it, and that got you blocked here for personal attacks. I think your wiki block should be reset to what it originally was (1 month from the day that block was issued) and your forum ban be completely removed, however you would be put on "wiki probation", much like this user completed successfully in the past. This just means admins would watch over you more closely than other users. I would never have a problem with you if you stopped calling people "autocrats", "tyrants", etc. Oh yeah, I think I'll work on your signature for you just for fun :p. 20:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, and for the final time, Supertech1 is NOT a sysop. 21:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I know he isn't! I was too lazy to find out what he really was, and found it easier to group him in with Chiafriend12 and the like. :D


 * I was okay with my forum ban. Being completely honest, I simply found it unfair that GodOfWar wasn't being punished when the flaming clearly went both ways. The editing ban, however, seems to have no purpose.


 * Thank you for the siggy, BTW. How do I make it mine? -Vhosythe42 21:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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Since my IP address doesn't let me edit other users' talkpages, I'll ask here: I can has siggy plz? I'll pay as well as I can in RuneScape, and I'll be as explicit as I can when describing it so I don't waste precious minutes of your life:
 * Black background
 * ForestGreen name (or regular Green, if it doesn't work.)
 * Pictures = Skull Sceptre on the right and Rune Berserker on the left, or only one if they don't both fit.
 * If the font is changeable, I'd like it to be Old English Text MT or something in the same style.

Thanks to anyone who decides to help! -Vhosythe42 17:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

How about this? Vhosythe42 talk Do you like it? Should I change anything? 21:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

It's great! But I thought the Berserker would be a bit bigger...I imagined it going "past" the black background, almost as if it was glued on. I don't know if that would be possible or not. But then again, I shouldn't be criticizing it when it's coming from the person I so rudely attacked, should I? It's really good. -Vhosythe42 21:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, go to your preferences, tick the "use raw signature" box. Change the code in the box so it says. Thanks for the talk on RS, too. 22:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Sig help?
Hello vhosy. I heard you needed some signature help, right? From what I heard, supertech1 is an expert on sigs (he helped with my sig).

Anyways have a good day. -- King soro1 17:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello, King Soro:


 * Yes, I've heard many a compliment about Supertech1's siggy-making skill. However, I wont be able to request anything from anyone until RuneWiki's autocrat removes my editing block. I thank you for your insight, though. ^^


 * -Vhosythe42


 * I'm sorry that I was slow (I've been having IRL things to do recently), but I just unblocked you on the grounds that you weren't aware of how we worked, it was a first offence, and that you were provoked. If you haven't yet, try to read:
 * RS:UTP
 * RS:AEAE
 * I'm also glad to see that you and Instant seem to be on better terms. Anywho, you don't have to refer to me as "Chiafriend12". If you say "Chia", like 97% of the people here will know who you're talking about. People love me :D. 05:55, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

A suggestion
First of all, I would like to congratulate you on being able to edit again :D. Secondly, you might want to archive your talk page now just to get all of the flaming off of the talk page. 15:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I will, thank you! Once I learn how! XD [[Image:Rune berserker shield 100.png|25px]]Vhosythe42 talk [[Image:Skull sceptre.gif]] 20:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Just cut your entire talk page's contents and paste them in something like User:Vhosythe42/archive1. Then on the archive, you should request an admin to protect it from being edited. On your newly blanked talk page, you should put a flashy link on the top of the page showing people where your archive is (so you aren't accused of violating RS:DDD. 22:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the RuneScape Wiki!
Welcome back! I look forward to watching you constructively contribute to this wiki. I'm glad to see that we've all been able to settle our differences successfully. While there's no hiding the fact that it took us quite some time to get there, in the end, we're all able to cooperate and treat each other with full respect—even those that we might not get along too well with.

As I've already said, if you have any questions or need any assistance, please feel free to let me know. If you get banned, just post a section on your own talk page: I'm watching it, so I'll receive an e-mail each time it gets changed.

Sorry I missed your signature request. I got a bit distracted by conflicts on the Yew Grove, but I'll be paying attention from now on. ;)

Good luck!

15:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Your signature
Just got a chance to look at the signature code. Instant did a great job! However, I'd just like to suggest slightly different code, as the current code is a bit out-of-date. Here's the new code (it won't change the look any):

Copy and paste that code to Template:Signatures/Vhosythe42. Here's a summary of the changes:
 * Changed &lt;span&gt; to &lt;div&gt;: bit more suitable under the circumstances
 * Forced inline display to prevent line breaks before/after &lt;div&gt; (not relevant with &lt;span&gt;'s)
 * Prevented "word wrapping" so that your signature won't be split between lines if it appears to the far right of a page
 * Moved &lt;sup&gt; outside of link: cleaner link display
 * Converted &lt;font&gt; to &lt;span&gt;: &lt;font&gt; doesn't exist anymore
 * Changed CSS colors to all-lowercase, as XHTML is case-sensitive (Wikia pages are served in XHTML, not HTML)
 * Gave each link individual coloring: tags inside of a link must end within the same link and cannot continue on to another link

Let me know if you'd like anything else changed!

16:04, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I tried: it said there was an invalid HTML something-or-other. [[Image:Rune berserker shield 100.png|25px]]Vhosythe42 talk [[Image:Skull sceptre.gif]] 20:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

By replacing your template? 20:56, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Not if replacing my template means typing into "custom signature". LOL I'm such a froob. [[Image:Rune berserker shield 100.png|25px]]Vhosythe42 talk [[Image:Skull sceptre.gif]] 20:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Custom signature is where you type in. 21:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I have to learn all this stuff eventually! I got it now. :D [[Image:Rune berserker shield 100.png|25px]]Vhosythe42 talk [[Image:Skull sceptre.gif]] 21:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

When Uploading Pix...

 * What should I save non-personal pictures as when I'm uploading them? JPEG, TIFF, PNG...? [[Image:Rune berserker shield 100.png|25px]]Vhosythe42 talk [[Image:Skull sceptre.gif]] 21:11, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

PNG. It doesn't lose any quality like JPG. 21:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you! [[Image:Rune berserker shield 100.png|25px]]Vhosythe42 talk [[Image:Skull sceptre.gif]] 21:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

RE:
It's the fact that you were discussing it in the first place. Discussing domestic abuse/disputes isn't exactly the best topic for this wiki or our wiki forums. I deleted your post along with the others just to make sure no one was offended. No one in particular is in trouble, but that discussion just didn't need to be on our forums. 21:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * While I thank you for not "warning" me, I don't see what was so bad about it. IMO, there was nothing "abusive" about it since, in that scenario, he wouldn't be the one trying to abuse anyone. The world will probably come to an end on the day that self-defence is considered abuse! [[Image:Rune berserker shield 100.png|25px]]Vhosythe42 talk [[Image:Skull sceptre.gif]] 21:13, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't say that, I'm saying that the discussion in general was not appropriate for the wiki or our forums. 22:09, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I understand: so anything of that manner just isn't allowed? It's not like I involuntarily suggested anything? [[Image:Rune berserker shield 100.png|25px]]Vhosythe42 talk [[Image:Skull sceptre.gif]] 22:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Just try to avoid discussing subjects that could potentially offend someone altogether. 22:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

My B-day!
Hey, ya groundhog day is ftw!!!!!!!! but my B-Day is on the 3rd of February. Sorry =( 11:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, you're missing out. ;) It's not like the Fourth of July, but having a holiday BDay is pretty kickass. XD
 * Unless it's on Christmas...then you get the same presents for both Christmas and your Birthday :S 00:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Get off my talk page
Do not post on my talk page again; you are attempting to start an argument and intimidate me which is against the rules. If you don't like the way i am or treat users well then propose a change of policy. I'm not an admin or anyone out of the ordinary. If you really think you will get attention from users you are terribly wrong. I am as infamous as you or even more. But if you continue to piss me off it will be my turn to provoke you. Cut the shit do your own thing and let me do mine. Now kid if you can excuse me i have things to do. If you want to argue with me please post a message on your talk page i will be sure to look on it periodically. God Of War 19:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: ¡Sorry!
Ah, don't worry. Fist of Guthix is where actual skill is needed, and unorganized clans lead to failure. 00:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Colored Text
Can you please stick to the default color of font when posting in discussion. For users who are hard of eye sight, or color blind, it makes it difficult to read. Thanks. 18:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's also difficult to read when nobody either indents or otherwise divides their posts. But why am I complaining? Me being the only reprimanded person whenever a two-sided argument/problem occurs is so much fun, especially since that's the reason why I got myself banned when I was new! Everyone else must love it just as much as I do because turning me into a scapegoat leaves the majority of them unscathed! Damn, even talking about it is making me excited.
 * The "reprimand" was because there was a problem with a post of yours. No reason to get huffy and defensive, really. Also, you shouldn't start a new line to put your sig on; just drop it at the end of your post. Saves space. -- 20:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It makes the row it's in a little bit wider most of the time.
 * P.S. That really was a random fit of rage, but now I feel better since I let most of it out of my system. Thanks for taking it like a man :D
 * P.S. That really was a random fit of rage, but now I feel better since I let most of it out of my system. Thanks for taking it like a man :D

Re:RE:
Is there any reason why you posted on my Talk Page and not on the Yew Grove? 00:39, 7 March 2009(UTC)
 * You didn't seem to have a problem posting on it earlier. Oh well, I'll let it go. 01:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Proof of What?
You mention a "third chance" and that Stinkowing "has seemingly proven that he's not willing to change his ways". Where is that proof? Butterman62 (talk) 02:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have any proof that the entire community has acknowledged it as truth? Personally, I don't think that's true (for example, I, as well as many others I know, do not). Butterman62 (talk) 02:18, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What I'd really like to see are external links (these are generally used as proof to point to evidence). I get the Archive 11 discussion, but you mention many other events too. I'd like to see links for those too. Butterman62 (talk) 02:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, but it would be much nicer to put a specific section heading. People don't like having to look through your whole talk page.
 * And yes, now you've told me. Now you can put it on the yew grove and tell everyone else too, if you wish. Butterman62 (talk) 02:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Chackmate pl0x? - Look, I'm not going to say that you can't speak your mind or anything, but I would like to remind you that numerous times today you have been called on your cockiness. If you would like to be taken seriously, you probably shouldn't say stuff like that. Just saying. Cheers, Christine 02:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that was a direct quote of me >_< 03:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not being sarcastic Vhos. I'm serious. If you want proof, show it on the Yew Grove so people have a chance of believing you. Butterman62 (talk) 02:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see what you're referring to now. Anyway, I'll take it into consideration before putting my 2 cents. Butterman62 (talk) 03:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Tbh, I'm staying out of this. I can't afford to participate in another argument, my rep sucks enough already. 03:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Good book taste
Cool, sounds like an interesting book. Thanks for the suggestion. :) Butterman62 (talk) 02:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: In response...
Dude, did you even read what I wrote? I said not one damn thing about the Stinkowing discussion at all, and I said explicitly that I was not judging you for what you have done in the past, and many people will tell you that this course of action is not normally my nature. All I said was that you had no right to say such things about Skill, who proposed that RS:NOT policy with only the best of intentions. You have failed to assume good faith and that is the reason I felt I needed to step in and comment. I will not tolerate such accusations being made about such a good user, especially one that you never even knew. Christine 03:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You know what? I did my best to be civil, but it's true. All you want to do is argue and start fights. Well fine, I'm great at that.


 * If you have nothing to say about the situation, then why are you posting on it?
 * Because I have just as much right to say anything I want about a situation, anywhere I want, as you. My comment was completely relevant to what you said, and was completely justified.


 * I NEVER thought I'd see the day that an admin would break a rule after swearing by oath not to! 
 * Nevermind the fact that no one is forcing you to stay, but just what rule are you even accusing me of breaking here? I have shown you more respect than you have done for me.


 * There is rebutting evidence scattered throughout both debates over this topic!
 * And yet again I said, I don't care what the hell is going on with the Stinko discussion. I have specifically said now three times that that was not my concern when posting my comment.


 * It's practically endless, and the evidence shown by myself alone should have been enough.
 * It has been stated, and it's freaking common sense anyways, that you clearly have a vendetta against Stinko. I am not saying that this demeans your evidence, but get off your high horse and think that the well-deserved treatment of one user alone is enough to desysop a great contributor.


 * With the failed efforts of four other users, though, the site continues to be run as a tyrannical oligarchy, and neither I nor anyone else without power can do anything about it.
 * I don't know who these mystical users are, but if you want something accomplished then propose a change. Repeatedly whining and looking to start trouble is not the way to change anything. And if you can't get a change going, with the way that this wiki always hops on the bandwagon, you're clearly not trying hard enough.


 * You a******* have taught me a very valuable lesson, though, so it's not all bad.
 * And again I ask, just how have I been an asshole to you? I was civil to you until you started to bash a user you never even knew. You have been told to learn the policies, it is clear you have not done so. Learn AGF and UTP. Calling the wiki as a whole "assholes" is not treating people right, nor is calling a retired user who created a great policy "blasphemous" assuming good faith.


 * Have a good time helping the oligarchy lead the site through yet another day of tyranny.
 * With attitudes like yours? With pleasure.


 * You have clearly demonstrated your need to start fights. I have every right to block you right now for calling the wiki a bunch of assholes and implying I am an idiot. You know, and anyone can see, that I said nothing in that comment about Stinko. I said nothing about needing evidence. I said nothing about whether I thought any side was right or wrong. You, in two fairly long comments, never even once mentioned the very topic my comment was on, and yet you criticize me for leaving something "irrelevant"? If you are not going to make a relevant response, then don't bother talking at all, as you are on thin ice, and you certainly are not helping your situation. Christine 04:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't give in!
Stinko has in an act of revenge made you perma-banned. I am sorry to break these news to you. I will personally make sure that this act will be the last straw that breaks the camel's back. You have my support, because you advocate reason, and that is what we desperately need at this wikia. 09:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Stinko changed into to a 1-month block and I later unblocked Vhosythe. In the future, just try to state the facts (without any comments like I am floored at the disrespect and deception you have shown as they will just aggravate the situation), thanks. 09:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear Wejer and all militants:

 * I knew of the block the instant Stinkowing made it, just to let you know. However, once Chiam unblocked me, Stinkowing made it again. I am more than glad that he's doing this because of the searing backfires he's inflicting upon himself. I wish you all luck and assure you that once I'm back I'll return to the frontlines with this new incriminating evidence.
 * No offense, Vhos, but we're all here to make an encyclopedia on RuneScape, not to have some military exercise. "Militants" makes it seem all gung-ho and stuff. Bleh. Butterman62 (talk) 18:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No offense, Vhos, but we're all here to make an encyclopedia on RuneScape, not to have some military exercise. "Militants" makes it seem all gung-ho and stuff. Bleh. Butterman62 (talk) 18:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * (Courtesy of Encarta World English Dictionary):
 * Militant: aggressive: extremely active in the defense or support of a cause, often to the point of extremism.

Troll An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. This suits you much better!God Of War 19:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

RS:DDD
You should know by now that deleting discussions is not allowed. If you don't agree with God Of War's message, archive it. 19:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * SInce you are blocked I can understand that you can't archive right now, but that doesn't mean you can remove messages just because you don't like them. 19:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You should know by now that his message has no practial purpose and is thus spam. According to DDD, spam is the only type of message that can be removed.
 * Spam: Stupid Pointless Annoying Message. God Of War was proving a point. According to DDD, God Of War's message is not spam. I am happy to archive it for you along with any other messages you don't want on your talk page, but if you're going to continue removing messages you don't like then your talk page will be protected. 19:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If you think the message has a purpose, then by all means show it to me. But he has no rebutting evidence to prove that I'm a "troll", as only he thinks so ever since the ban that backfired. If he can't find proof, I'm deleting the message because it is all of the above: Stupid, Pointless, Annoying, Message.

Okay then. All you had to say was "please archive it". Your talk page is now protected. When you learn to follow RS:DDD it will be unprotected. 19:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I was asked to come check this out, so I did, and here is what I found. You took a definition of "militant" and posted it on your talk, apparently to show your opinion of God of War. God of War then took the definition of "Troll" and posted it back as a rebuttal, however inadequate, to your comment toward him. This shows to me, that you initiated the exchange by quoting a dictionary first. I don't feel that you can claim his message to be "S.P.A.M." if you started it. However stupid it may be, there was a point - to provide you a dictionary definition of his opinion of you as you did to him. I understand that these past few days have been stressful for nearly everyone involved, but things like this aren't suggested. We do have an essay called don't feed the trolls, and it appears you both contributed to it. Granted this is an essay and not a policy, it should still be observed in times like this. If you would like to claim his message as spam, you should not have posted the "militant" comment. That's instigating, and you therefor have no grounds to delete it because it doesn't suit you. You can't be rude to somebody and be upset when they're rude back. My advice would be to kindly request he posts no more comments on your talk page, as you don't wish for them anymore. Should you do that, and he continues to disrupt you, it could be a policy of the user treatment policy and could possibly be considered spam. As it stands now, I agree that the comment should remain on your page, and I feel that I have provided adequate examples as well as solutions to deal with future issues. I will unprotect this for now, please do not abuse it and go deleting the message again. If you would like me to archive it for you, I will gladly do so. =) 20:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The comment was addressed to Butterman, who misunderstood what I meant by "militants" (the poeple who support the side of Diber and myself.) Do you really think that I'd associate myself with (genuine) trolls like GOW when all he's trying to do is frame me by instigating? I don't want him sullying my page with his stagnant slime anymore, especially when I didn't ask for it.
 * So ask him not to post on your talk page. Problem solved. 20:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Sigh, edit conflicts and a laggy wiki are annoying. Indeed it was addressed to Butterman, my apologies. However much it does violate policy (essay), I would recommend archiving it and requesting him not to contact you anymore. Should he violate you, it will be on record and can be considered harassment. 20:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Studies have shown that people act differently when they know they're being observed; for that reason, I'd rather let him get himself banned than tell him to leave me alone.


 * Well then, if you aren't going to ask him not to post on your talk page then you can't remove his messages just because you don't like them. 21:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It's irrelevant whether I like his posts or not (which I don't anyway), since posts like the one above are transparently breaking Wikian policies.

This is posted on both pages, as it seems relevant to both of you. =)


 * Well, as I'm sure you know (or maybe you don't either way) I generally try to stay out of personal problems because they aren't really my place to begin with. I have looked over the so called "flame war" that has gone on, and I personally don't think either is 100% to blame, but rather both responsible. I know there are certain people that everyone just can't get along with; everyone is annoyed by somebody. However, in this situation, in order to avoid any more blocks, protects, etc. I personally think it's best to let bygones be bygones. In the end, you (and GOW) have to come to the realization that you don't know him, and he doesn't know you. He knows nothing about you, so should he insult you or talk crap about you, it's all just opinion. I hate seeing people who contribute to the community get banned because of small things like this. There is plenty of room here in cyberspace, it's easy to just completely ignore someone. As I said, kindly ask that he no longer contacts you. Should he continue after being asked not to, then he is violating policy and could be blocked again. But please, stay civil. It's more mature to just brush off comments that don't apply than to shoot back and retaliate against him. I admit, there are people everywhere that I don't "like" per se, but I still function with respect when around them. That's all you need to do. You don't need to say a word to him, or even acknowledge the fact he exists if you wish. Just please, don't act when you're hot-headed and do something you might regret later. We're all people behind the monitor. I understand you may be upset about things, but this really isn't the way to go about solving them. 21:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, as I'm sure you know (or maybe you don't either way) I generally try to stay out of personal problems because they aren't really my place to begin with. I have looked over the so called "flame war" that has gone on, and I personally don't think either is 100% to blame, but rather both responsible. I know there are certain people that everyone just can't get along with; everyone is annoyed by somebody. However, in this situation, in order to avoid any more blocks, protects, etc. I personally think it's best to let bygones be bygones. In the end, you (and GOW) have to come to the realization that you don't know him, and he doesn't know you. He knows nothing about you, so should he insult you or talk crap about you, it's all just opinion. I hate seeing people who contribute to the community get banned because of small things like this. There is plenty of room here in cyberspace, it's easy to just completely ignore someone. As I said, kindly ask that he no longer contacts you. Should he continue after being asked not to, then he is violating policy and could be blocked again. But please, stay civil. It's more mature to just brush off comments that don't apply than to shoot back and retaliate against him. I admit, there are people everywhere that I don't "like" per se, but I still function with respect when around them. That's all you need to do. You don't need to say a word to him, or even acknowledge the fact he exists if you wish. Just please, don't act when you're hot-headed and do something you might regret later. We're all people behind the monitor. I understand you may be upset about things, but this really isn't the way to go about solving them. 21:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

This post in a nutshell: Fact for the important things, opinion for everything else.
 * I have never held unjustified grudges against anybody; I despise GOW (and probably always will, unfortunately) because of his seemingly intentional interference in my personal or otherwise affairs when it's obvious that I don't want it. He's extremely pretentious for trying to spread his biased and unproven opinion about me wherever I go on this website, and he's unwilling to stop no matter how often I expose his discrimination.
 * On the other hand, my feelings toward Stinkowing are fueled only by his actions and intentions. While the many unfair bans placed upon me by him have affected my feelings toward him, it has only been proven facts (firsthand experience combined with my and others' evidence) used against him and opinion used against everyone else in the YewGrove debate.
 * Everyone else I haven't really had quarrels with, except the no longer-existing skirmish I had with InstantWinston. And that's basically all there is to it.


 * Holding a grudge does not solve the problem. Holding a grudge makes it more likely that hostilities will escalate between the two of you. Why can't you just let all of it go? Seriously, just forget about it. -- 21:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The phrase "If it doesn't apply, let it fly" fits perfectly here. Just brush it off ans ignore it completely. 21:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * In my situation, it's harder than you think. I'd like to say that I try to follow that doctrine but that'd be a lie 80% of the time.
 * To be blunt, well, that's in your area of responsibility, not anyone else's. If you feel as though you may not be able to be reasonable and follow our policies, a wikibreak may be in order until that changes. -- 21:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not a matter of not being able to follow policies; I'm trying to defend my shattered reputation from being pulverized into sand. Because of GOW, I have been judged based on lies that only I know for a fact are untrue. If I could disprove them I would, but since I can't, people will continue to be assuming toward me and I'm trying to avoid that from happening.
 * First, there's no need for hyperbole. Second, if you put too much into your reputation and what people think of you, you not only detract energy you could be using to make acceptable contributions, but you create the foundation for drama and conflict. Edit and contribute without regard to what people think of you. If you come in direct conflict with a user over something, settle it in a mature fashion- that way the reputation that you claim has been damaged will improve. One last note: I must ask that you sign your posts with four tildes ( ~ ), as the way you sign right now does not produce a timestamp. -- 22:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You have once again misunderstood me, for narcissism has nothing to do with this; with a reputation that has been sullied by GOW's verbal garbage and propaganda, everyone falsely assumes that everything I do is done for the purpose of catalyzing someone's downfall, bringing a community to its knees or avenging something. This is an assumption that ends up hurting the community whenever my somewhat latent positivity is hastily mistaken for rancors. People who haven't met me outside of teh interwebz have no right to say anything like that with such a gaping lack of proof. All YewGrovian posts I've made have been written for my view of making a better community out of what it is now. But once someone disagrees with it, they feel the responsibility to twist it into something against me. And why? Because my opinion differs from theirs and, because my reputation is (fairly or not) filthier than theirs, it must be a venom that'll annihilate all reason and understanding and shan't be given any thought. Not only is that unfair, it's extremely conceited for any of you to think that you're always right and that having an opinion differing from yours is dangerous without even the possibility of yours being wrong. This is the way it has been for much too long, and most likely, I'm not the only victim of this plague. And for the record, where's this "good faith" that everyone likes to talk about so much? I've seen it distributed to everyone but myself, considering that I've been punished for everything I've done and so much more.
 * P.S. For real "hyperbole", see quote:
 * "...That's it. I've had it with you, Vho. We've ALL had it with you. You are a mean, cruel, bullying user who has proven to all of us (minus Diber and a few others) that you exist here solely for lying, bullying, argumentative reasons. You have made me cry in front of my best friend because I couldn't handle this issue's stress then."