User talk:Kcin2424

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Please sign when editing a talk page. Use ~ to sign your talk page edit with a timestamp. Thank you, 01:31, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

I have tried I guess it wasn't going through. I'll see if it was me doing something wrong somehow. Kcin2424 (talk) 01:52, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Just wanted to make sure you were aware that talk pages should be signed and how to do that. 01:57, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Okay so I have been putting the 4 tildes at the end but the site says I didn't so how do I know if it is working? Kcin2424 (talk) 02:44, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Block appeal
I was not edit warring I was changing the page based upon the discussion page and what was proven correct. I undid a post that changed it back to being false information that was proven wrong. I do not see how that is edit warring.
 * I'm going to deny this, given that you have been warned about this in the past. The block is only for one day anyway. Your main argument against a block is that you contend that the statement "The Godless are Guthixian in nature" is fact per the talk page. Reviewing the talk page, I see no determination of that. This is indeed a violation of RS:3RR. I encourage you to read the policy in detail. If you have further questions let me know. 03:06, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * You were [ warned by Gaz] that continuing to change the wording would result in a block; you instead immediately resumed edit warring as soon as the page protection expired. RS:3RR also has a section specific to lore that you should read:
 * "In the case of lore-related articles, do not in substance revert a previous revert to the article. Content disputes should be taken to the article's talk page (and involved parties should be notified), and no further related edits should take place to the relevant sections until the conflict is resolved."


 * -- 03:12, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Please can you tell me how provding evidence, quoted from in game sources, about the lore and origin of the godless and the nature of their faction is false. It was not proven to be false there was no evidence showing that it isn't Guthixian in nature but there was evidence that it was. It is hard to discuss a topic when no one reads the discussion and the person who was debating that it wasn't guthixian in nature left after not being able to provide evidence as to why it isn't. The lore backed up what was being changed there was nothing proving it was false. Kcin2424 (talk) 03:30, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Whether or not they are is beside the point. You can be right and still engage in edit warring (and be blocked for it). But, I'll address your point anyway. I don't believe that the quote you provided is sufficient evidence to show that they are Guthixian in nature. To be considered Guthixian, they would have to identify themselves followers of both Guthix and his teachings, and I see little to demonstrate either. I should say that the burden of proof point you brought up on the talk page is not correct either; when making an affirmative statement (such as "The Godless are Guthixian"), the burden of proof lies with the affirmative side. If you want a community-wide discussion on this subject you can start a thread on the Yew Grove. 03:42, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * On top of providing evidence backing up what I was saying and nothing saying it was false besides one person's opinion I reviewed the guidlines you told me about and have these comments about it. I was at 3 edits and stopped then posted in the discussion to talk about it there, the next thing I know I was blocked. I did not make 3 posts to the page I made 3 and then went into the discussion to talk about it more. As well as why was the other guy not blocked because he was doing the same thing that I was so if I was blocked why was he not?Kcin2424 (talk) 03:47, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * To be Guthixian in nature would be to have roots in Guthix's teachings which they do, and I provided evidence of that. As per the burdon of proof I provided evidence that back up my point the other person who was not proving points to disprove and back their side that burdon of proof lies on them.  I did not say they were Guthixian I said they are inherently Guthixian which means "

existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute." which I showed how following the teachings of Guthix was a permanent essential and a characteristic attribute of the Godless so they are inherently Guthixian even though they are not a Guthixian faction. Kcin2424 (talk) 03:51, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * He will be if he does it again; I warned him. 08:42, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * So why did I get blocked and he wasn't he was warned at the same time as me. As well as my other points of I was within the rules and about the discussion.Kcin2424 (talk) 13:39, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * You were not within the rules this time. You reverted a revert of a lore based article when the conflict had not yet been resolved, which violates 3RR. Kinglink in this case only reverted it back to its pre-conflict state until the conflict had been resolved. It seems pretty clear to me that the conflict has not been resolved, as the discussion is still ongoing  14:19, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Untitled
I named it untitled seeingg no title was givien for that message. Now, as I can see, instead of looking for the proof I gave you like a BIG BOY. I guess I gotta hold your hand and walk you through it. Look at the discussion page ok? 03:58, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

Your edit does not disprove my point and your flame shows me you know I am correct so please stop the flame. I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARe GUTHIXIAN I am saying they have roots in Guthix's teachings hence they are inherently Guthixian aka they have "existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute" of Guthix that being his teachings which is the basis of their whole faction.Kcin2424 (talk) 04:04, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

Rightm Flame, I disaproved you so where you claim they are Guthixian in nature which they are not, and by looking at others on this page, they even agree they aren't, and that you proved nothing, What I proved was how Guthix was god of balance, something u asked in the discuss page. How they are not Guthixian in Nature, again it is there read it all again. I will stop disrespecting you and"flaming" as you wish for it, and I do apologies for any as It was late at night, and your continue edit, after 1 person jumped in and reverted your edit, and another blocked it remaining how it is, and even one in the page showed that they see no proof of how they are Guthixian in nature, This is where you cannot edit it claiming you are right, with out others agreeing. So either way, You cannot add your opinion, or something you thin kis fact if other donot agree. So I ask if you do not edit the page any more until you got people on the discuss page, and here to agree with you.

SO I do apologies for the "flaming" but You have no point, or are right as other disagree with you. The only thing you provided in the talk page is how they became godless over a death wish, which I proved isn't a teaching of Guthix So until there is Acutal words from a Jagex worker saying they are Guthixian in Nature, please do not add that information anymore, as others have told you they do not agree. You can continue to try and discuss it in the talk page with others, but leave teh page alone until then. 13:18, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

The others on this page think i mean that they are a guthixian faction WHICH IS NOT WHAT i AM SAYING and yes you are flaming when you say things that are trying to demean another person or try to get a reaction out of them and your "big boy" talk is exactly that. You have not disproven that they are inherently guthixian because you have not shown that they don't have any permanent part by Guthix or any essential part from Guthix or any characteristic from guthix. I have been over the god of balance with you already, sure he is the God of balance but THAT IS NOT HIS ONLY PHILOSOPHY. I have given you quotes showing that, from Guthix himself. They didn ot see any proof of how they are a Guthixian faction and not what I was actually saying. So there is still plently of proof of what I am saying. Something that I have proven as fact and people cannot read correctly so they think they are right. I ask you not to edit the page to false information untill you actually read and comprehend what I said. What I said was proven correct. Do I really have to show you all the quotes again showing how it is a Guthix teaching. Since you can't read there I will post it here as well then.

This is guthix's belief and his philosophy this is taken from the world wakes:

Guthix: I chose tribes who had no concept of gods, and I brought them to Gielinor, to live uninfluenced lives while I retained the balance.

Guthix: I was foolish; my plan would never work. I will continue my tale along the path. Please, meet me when you are ready.

Guthix: I should have seen it coming. I introduced them to the world, I had a power greater than they had ever seen.

Guthix: The mortal races began to worship me. They built shrines to me, made sacrifices. They waited on my every word.

Guthix: It pained me deeply to see myself becoming what I had always loathed.

Guthix: They should not have been living beneath me, serving me. I wanted them to be free, balanced, to make their own decisions.

Guthix: The races brought in by the now-banished gods remained, and disrupted the balance at every turn. Battles raged on, in the names of the absent gods.

Please tell me how that has nothing to do with no gods teaching.

And here is the other point that backs up that they follow Guthix's teachings and are Guthixian IN NATURE and not a Guthixian faction.

But Guthix never wanted me - us - to worship him. He wanted to abandon the notion of worship completely, so that he could retire and leave the world to mortals. When Kaqemeex told me that, a fog cleared. Everything I'd thought until then was wrong. - Book of the Gods/GodlessKcin2424 (talk) 13:54, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

Block Extension
I have extended your block to a week due to sockpuppeting using User:Kcin of Zamorak, and blocked that account indefinitely. If you wish to continue editing, I highly advise not creating any more sockpuppets and come back in a week. If you sockpuppet again, I will extend your block significantly. 14:21, June 13, 2015 (UTC)