Talk:Player Moderator Centre

No, I am not a player mod :P --S terror1 02:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we should be promoting confidentiality violation... Skill 02:35, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Care to explain which RuneScape rule that would violate? Dtm142 02:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think there's a rule where if someone spills "the beans" about mod only stuff, the player will get banned, but I don't think that has happened on this article. 02:58, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Most of the details regarding the contents of the centre haven't been publicly released. For example the list of mods. Skill 03:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This article doesn't name any player mods. Dtm142 03:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The fact that the list exists isn't currently supposed to be public information, as far as I know. Skill 03:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Public knowledge ftw!!! Dtm142 03:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And certainly the mod query system isn't supposed to be. Skill 04:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Everyone knows about it... A certain player mod made sure of it on our forums. Dtm142 04:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

(re-indent) >.> Skill 04:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you know which mod? lol --S terror1 11:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think so Skill 14:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

One last thing. If any player mod here who is willing to give out some more details on the centre please post it. Thanks! --S terror1 01:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's pretty much everything without listing individual rules or player moderators. 24.66.94.144 01:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * They can't, they're sworn to secrecy on some things. 01:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Things such as?--S terror1 03:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Specific rules, specific player moderators, discussions, etc. Dtm142 03:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Things that we don't know about... Rendova said that there are some things that player mods can't reveal. 03:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The only contents of the centre that Jagex has revealed are "These tools include: Guidelines, Codes of Conduct and a forum for discussing issues that may arise as a group and with Jagex staff." Anything they themselves haven't released is to be kept secret. When you're putting stuff in these articles, remember that unless it's in the knowledge base or talked about by the town crier, it's to be kept confidential. 03:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've cleaned it up a bit; everything in there now is acceptable. I'm thinking we ought to come up with something that goes at the top of the page (like the banner saying an article is a stub) reminding everyone that certain aspects of modship are strictly confidential and people should be wary of anything not released by Jagex themselves. 18:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I still don't get the big deal. We aren't breaking any of the 15 rules... Dtm142 02:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

True, this isnt breaking any rule and its not like runescape will come to an end just because people know whats in there. The internet is a free place in my opinion and jagex cant do anything about it. --S terror1 21:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * My words have fallen on deaf ears >.< 02:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by that, Rendova?--S terror1 14:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

If Jagex refuses to let unqualified users know details about the PMC (even when they ask, locked forum threads, etc.), then we should not either. And also, the information should be cited in some way. We aren't a tabloid on Player Moderators.
 * Nor are we an official Jagex site. If we were only allowed to publish information that could be found in the knowledge base, what would be the point of the wiki? Dtm142 01:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Dtm142, i agree with you. If we had to abide by Jagex's rules on this wiki then this website would have no meaning because everyone could just find all the information they need in the knowledge base.--S terror1 22:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Let's say that I posted here that the centre had information on a moderator meeting (it doesn't, by the way). Seems harmless enough, right? But what if someone comes along and intentionally tries to disrupt it? What if they happen to be in the right place at the right time? It does seem unlikely, yes, but it happens more than you think. If they get into the meeting then they could presumably hear about the deeper confidential stuff, which is a problem. Situations like this are why information isn't made public. Skill 22:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that if such a thing were to happen, the community should have the right to know about it. Discussing "inner confidential" issues ingame is asking for trouble anyway, and again the community should have the right to know about them if it is relevant to the wider community (the fact that you have something that would be disastrous if non moderators heard about it raises some brows...)  Ingame events aren't normally posted about on the wiki anyway (non notable).  But I think that unless information violates Jagex's 15 rules, breaches NPOV, or is irrelevant to building a RuneScape source, it should be included in articles.  Wikipedia is known as the "free encyclopedia" for a reason, and Wikia is just an extension of that. Dtm142 23:05, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If a non-mod were to come into such a meeting, they might find, for example, what they could be muted for. Is that a good thing? Such meetings don't actually take place, but that was just an example. Take the query system. Who's to say that no one will harass a mod to send in a query for them if everyone were to know it exists? Skill 23:36, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Nor are we an official Jagex site. If we were only allowed to publish information that could be found in the knowledge base, what would be the point of the wiki?" - Not everything that isn't in the kbase is confidential. If everything we could do was released to the public, then people would find loopholes and all sorts of ways to avoid getting muted and reported. And macros would learn how to avoid us better. They aren't keeping this stuff secret just to annoy you; these are things that actually would be damaging if they were released. And do you NEED to know everything about mods to play runescape? We're just an extra part of the game. Ignore us. You can continue to play without knowing these things. And even if you did, you would just think "Oh, cool." and go on as if you didn't know it. 23:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You don't "need" to visit this wiki to play RuneScape... Dtm142 22:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But you may visit the wiki, but you may not publish things that Jagex has asked us to keep quiet about. 19:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, where did Jagex say something like "You may not say certain things on the runescape wiki"?--S terror1 20:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * They have said quite clearly to all mods not to say certain things to anyone unless the recipient is a mod themself. Skill 00:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * (in response to S terror. I had a double edit conflict o.O)

Since I can't show you that, and since you obviously won't trust me, I'll try this some other way.

People are asking where in the rules it says we can't publish certain aspects of modship. Well, it's not in the rules. Why? Because the rules are for INGAME conduct, so they don't apply anywhere else. And the thing about pmods not being allowed to talk about this stuff ingame isn't in the rules because it doesn't affect anyone but themselves. Only stuff that applies to everyone is in the rules. Sure, you can speculate amongst yourselves what's in the center or what magical powers we have, but we can't confirm anything for you.

And since Jagex hasn't published these things, how do you know they're true? People lie. Published text directly from the source doesn't. If I told you mods could spawn homicidal level 300 monkeys in Varrock, would you believe me? What if I told you we could right-click report? That claim is no more provable than the first one, but because you're probably inclined to believe it, you will. And since you want to help spread knowledge, you'll probably publish it here on the wiki. But you CAN'T PROVE IT. You're only going by what someone told you. So the next time you're going to add something like this to an article, I want you to give me proof. Proof = a link. Pictures don't count because they can be edited; unless the link used for the picture goes back to runescape itself.

And I've told you they have requested this stuff stay confidential. Can't you respect that? 00:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

mod centre
ok for this page, we can only say what is released to the public, i'm a player moderator of runescape, when we agreed to be a mod we agreed to confidentiality under the terms and use(contract) of being a mod that anything we can accessed may not be shared. til more info is released i think this is fine, maybe one or two chages could happen, but be cool. so if its not told to everyone it cant be put here, plus there isnt anthing exciting there ps, i'll put a mini summery of the agreement later k Eatbetter 00:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * By putting a summary of it, you'll be doing exactly what the contract itself asks you not to do. If you really are a pmod, then you'll want to read this thread 10-11-620-54405007 00:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I found some proof, Rendova. Look at this []--S terror1 16:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)