Talk:Runespan

I have found some information regarding this, but I am not sure how to work with sources and stuff. It's on this thread, page 1, QFC 14-15-509-63683909:

'''Is there any specific storyline behind RuneSpan? If so, what is it? - if you're allowed to say!''' Yes, Wizard Finix is claiming that he has found proof that the runecrafting altars will run out one day and become unusable. Whether this is true or not is of huge debate in the Runecrafting Guild but regardless, if he is correct this is of huge concern to all wizards in RuneScape. Fortunatly, Wizard Finix has found a new way to make runes and that is trainable in The Runespan. What is this method? Why do the Runecrafting Wizards not believe him? Why does Wizard Finix believe this? Well, you'll have to wait and see ;)

22:39, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

I have added your backstory, plus a citation. If you know HTML, citations are very easy, just do {{sup| {normal link to source}} }}. Hope this helps. 217.43.80.181 06:41, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Why did you remove my picture =( it was first GE picture uploaded here =(
Käyttäjä:Juhojeesus|Juhojeesus Keskustelu käyttäjästä:Juhojeesus|Keskustelu 20:29, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Orb of oculusing
it seemed that how high ever was the view taken, the orb kept the same bright.

Lore
Kwekko is correct, the lore behind the Runespan is that Wizard Finix believes that the Runespan, drawing runes out of "nooks and crannies of Gielinor" will be beneficial to us when Runecrafting altars are no longer useful. I highly doubt, however, that the altars will stop serving their purpose. It would tilt Runescape too much.

19:39, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

{C}Sorry, I wasn't logged in. I did the backstory and the previous comment (one under Kwekko). Not that I am claiming credit, just, if there is a mistake, it would be easier for me to be identified, so I don't make it again.

I am the 217.43.80.181 ip address by the way, if that makes my comment clearer. I couldn't edit my comment above, so I will sign this one. FF-Scimiter 06:48, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

F2P?
Is it for f2pers too? Or only p2pers?

76.30.111.123 18:08, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

The First floor of Runespan is F2P, and features all F2P runes while the Second and Third floor are P2P. Go to the wizard's tower and talk to Wizard Fenix to start :)

86.180.99.126 20:46, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

What was said above it right, but F2P can also go on certain parts of the Second floor.

78.150.136.25 21:45, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Clarity on rewards (P2P rewards)
Could you make it clearer that the rewards from the minigame are only avaliable to members? Though F2P can of course gain experience.

78.150.136.25 21:48, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Factual correction: Yellow Wizard
The D&D section concerning the yellow wizard had stated that giving the wizard his requested runes would give higher experience than those not requested. While a small bonus is certainly given for his desired runes, the total experience gain of a requested rune set can still be less than half of higher level runes. I changed this section to reflect this, as well as gave a short example to illustrate. -Runelion

Edit: Additional testing has shown that there is a significant increase in bonus experience for requested runes between the 74 and 80 runecrafting range. A level 73 runecrafter gained 3.35k exp for death unreq'd deaths and less than 3k for req'd laws, while a lvl 80 runecrafter gained over 4k exp for unreq'd bloods and over 6k exp for req'd minds. Added a line at the end of the segment to help guide those wondering which method to use. If anyone in the lvl 74-80 rc'ing range could experiment further to find the exact level this enormous boost occurs, it would be greatly appreciated! - Runelion

(First time edit, hope this is correct): I've done 71-80 this week and noticed the requested runes became better xp at level 77. If I remember correctly, it was ~4.5k for bloods and over 5k for the requested runes, starting at 77. - Sababa

Node Rarity Change
Certainly seems like something has been changed as far as node spawning, in the past hour or so. Nodes seem to be spawning very rarely now whereas previously they would cover nearly every square on isles if they weren't taken care of. Mr Goodbard 23:46, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that too just now. I hope it's a glitch and not a nerf.

, 07:14, May 1, 2012 (UTC)anzu68

According to Jagex the node glitch should be fixed pretty soon

, 14:03, May 1, 2012 (UTC)anzu68

Strange rocks
Is it worth putting in that strange rocks can be obtained here? I got one after about 10 minutes of siphoning from an esshound. Devilquak 23:49, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Entrance
I did not talk to Wizard Fenix to start Runespan.

I teleport to Draynor, walked to the Wizard's Tower, clicked to teleport on the Runecrafting Guild Portal and selected Runespan Lower.

My method for entry did not represent the options provided in the "Location" section, so I just thought I'd confirm.Emptylord 01:41, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yellow Wizard Exp Table
While it seems pretty clear that it's best to give the rune asked for and give the highest rune you got otherwise, it might be nice to get the actual formula for it. Feel free to add this table and I'll try to come up with a formula. 01:54, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget to say how many runes you gave him (1-10). I've had times when I've only had 7 or so on me. 05:51, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Idk how to add this: I gave 10 body runes, floor 1, 73 runecrafting and I had 1022 xp. At lvl 72 runecrafting I gave 10 body runes for 1008 xp. 91.181.1.20 17:42, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Did he ask for body runes in those cases? 18:04, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't check. However, I tested a few more yellow wizzard: in F2P the xp you get is independent on what runes he askes (and I'm not sure how many he asks, I think 10); no matter what runes he asks, you'll get the same xp. However, if you give lower runes than what's he's asking (I gave air runes once to try), he gave me ~150rc xp, way less than he should be giving. So for F2P (or maybe first floor), XP only dependent on your actual RC level.


 * Additional: level 74 RC = 1036 RC XP.
 * 91.181.1.20 19:33, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Last yellow wizard: still 74rc, 10 body runes, 1036 RC xp reward.
 * 91.181.1.20 19:42, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 10 mind runes, 74 rc, floor 1, F2P, 1036 RC xp reward
 * 91.181.1.20 19:54, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1050 RC XP for level 75
 * 91.181.1.20 00:31, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Formulas
For giving the wrong rune:
 * Air - 0.2*runes*level
 * Mind - 0.4*runes*level
 * Water - 0.6*runes*level
 * Earth - 0.8*runes*level
 * Fire - runes*level
 * Body - 1.4*runes*level
 * Cosmic - 1.8*runes*level
 * Chaos - 2.2*runes*level
 * Astral - 2.6*runes*level
 * Nature - 3*runes*level
 * Law - 3.4*runes*level
 * Death - 5*runes*level
 * Blood - 6*runes*level
 * Soul - 7*runes*level

For giving the right rune (some estimates)
 * if level < 33, 0.7*runes*level
 * if level < 66, 1.4*runes*level
 * if level < 77, 2.8*runes*level
 * if level < 90, 6.6*runes*level
 * if level > 90, 7.6*runes*level

F2P formulas seem to be the same for the wrong rune. The right rune formula seems to be the same except it tops out.
 * if level < 33, 0.7*runes*level
 * if level > 33, 1.4*runes*level

I am unsure on the formula for less than 33 Runecrafting. I guessed that it was 0.7, but it may well be 1.4.

These rates would imply that: 00:13, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * At below level 33, it's better to give earth or fire runes than the correct rune.
 * At below level 66, it's better to give cosmic, chaos, astral, nature or law runes instead of the correct rune.
 * At below level 77, it's better to give nature, law or death runes than the correct rune.
 * At level 77 and higher, it's always better to give the correct rune.


 * Very nice, not sure if anyone noticed yet, but the levels this changes at are the levels new runes are unlocked. So there may be more stages. 01:38, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * This explains why F2P caps right after the highest F2P rune. Exp might be always 0.6 more than the highest rune you can make. 01:42, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I still need data on the right rune at levels 1-40, 60-66, 68-79, 88-89 and 98-99. 03:13, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Giving 10 of the requested rune at level 99 yields 7,524xp. 20:40, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * i've been adding my info to the table, each time i've been giving over 10 of the requested rune. i seem to get

1876 XP for handing over 10 runes, seemingly regardless of type. this is at level 67, by the way.212.9.124.91 17:28, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

It seems a more proper was to keep track of this might be something like this...

Considering giving the requested rune gives an entirely separate xp amount depending on level only, not rune type, and the non-requested runes appear to give exp based on the type of rune. 21:00, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

So it's safe to say that the xp for the requested rune is a 4 or 5 part piecewise? 21:22, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Something like that. We don't know what happens below level 40, though. 21:39, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea. So since the daily reset I'm now getting 7,600xp for 99 rc using the requested runes on him instead of 7,524. Not sure if its a bug or if they legitimately changed it. 04:02, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Found out I must've clicked on a node before the xp was given, causing them to stack on the counter. 05:25, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Chances if getting stuck
There is a chance u can end up teleporting from one spot to another and find out all teleports there need a rune u dont own in inv and thus cant move around anymore. idk if this was intentional or a bug. so watch out.

66.31.126.87 01:54, May 1, 2012 (UTC)Anonymous66.31.126.87 01:54, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just home teleport out. 04:03, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

I heard from players that runes aren''t becoming converted into points at the monent. Is this true or is it a rumor?''

, 07:15, May 1, 2012 (UTC)anzu68

Either a rumour, or a non-consistent bug, most people get points just fine. 18:04, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Node Nerf is actually a bug.
Mod Pi just confirmed in his Friend's Chat/FC. Will be fixed as soon as Jagex can.

Mod Pi's friend's chat a couple of minutes ago

"Hey, sorry for the silence, I'm working on a fix for you " {C}"Things will return to normal soon"

Thank goodness! Node nerf had cut my exp/hour 40%! I did find it odd that they would completely reduce ~all~ nodes (including cyclones/mind storms/etc) which had relatively low exp gain compared to the untouched, instantly-spawning nature/law tier esshounds. That oddity does point towards a glitch rather than an intentional, thought-out nerf. -Runelion

Runesphere?
The unofficial friends chat is R Sphere to help communicate the location of the runesphere when activate.Zurk3d 03:36, May 2, 2012 (UTC) Zurk3d Zurk3d 03:36, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

DO NOT
I'm not sure who's adding the piece of information in the article claiming that there is a unofficial world and friends' chat. Please read our policies and/or feel free to join the IRC if you have any questions, thanks. {C}-Bren

Many players are using world 60/61 as the unofficial worlds. Since the other rc minigame is so close to this one and also used by those worlds. Astral Bunny 18:56, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Esteem - Useless?
http://puu.sh/snMx
 * It's not useless if you want the trimmed completionist cape... 14:50, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Alignment Issue in "AREA" section
Alignment issue in the "AREA" section. Do not have administration rights to change it myself. Could someone please fix this problem ASAP :) Keep up the updates and improvements guys! Looking very good! MrLixivium 21:17, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Beying fixed on right now. - Jr Mime

node xp
You actually get 62.5 from a chaotic cloud, not 61.5.

It says you get 144 or 176 from bloody skulls but ive gotten 178 179 178 146 178 147 178 178 147 and 178 146 147 146 and 179 146 178 147 178 178 147 178 178 146 179 178 146 179 178 146 147 178 146 178 147 146 146 and 146 178 179 178 178 179 146 and 146 146 147 146 146 178 178 146 147 146 178 178 179 178 146 147 146 147 and 146 179 146 147 146 146 146 147 146 178 179 178 146

blood pool:146 149 148 149 148

skulls 122 122 122 122 122 121

living soul: 217 126 217 216 216 217 216 217 216 216 217

undead soul: 146 259 270 146 260 146 {C}nebula:64 87 65 87 87 65 65 64 87

fire storm:23 24 42 23 23 43 23 42 23 23 42 23 23 42 23 42 24 23 23 23 42 42 43 23 42 23 23 43 42 42 43 23 43 23 42 43 43 42 23 23 24 23 (think I missed some)

Numbered map for floor 3
I think the numbered map for floor 3 should be kept on the main article page, as it provides a good reference for peole wishing to use friend chats to locate wizards, nodes, etc. 128.250.233.174 06:16, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

I saved it and uploaded it again. http://puu.sh/swMs Donnyy 10:34, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Last night, there was a good map for the upper/3rd floor, which had everything marked on it, including numbers. My browser crashed overnight, and now that link has been deleted/renamed, and the map I found when I followed it was less complete. Coming back to this page, I found links to a pair of maps per level - one showing connectors and essling locations, and the other numbered. I can see doing that for the lower levels, which had not previously had numbers along with the other information, as far as I know. But whoever "fixed" the upper level map should please _unfix_ it. I'd do it myself, but if wikipedia is any sample, I'd probably need admin rights to see the map if it was actually deleted; also I don't have the time this morning.198.144.201.98 17:26, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Changing nodes?
Might be worth pointing out that nodes seem to occasionally "change", or "evolve" if left long enough. Earlier a Chatic cloud turned into a Nebula while me and a random person where siphoning it, and a nearby Rock fragment turned into a Vine about 5 minutes ago. Even people in my clan are saying its normal for it to happen...

i *think* that what's going on is that a better node is appearing in the same place as the last node, somehow over-writing it, and we continue to leech from it due to a bug.212.9.124.91 15:00, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Runesphere link
the link for runesphere is incorrect

please change to http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Runesphere
 * Where is the link wrong? If you mean the first instance of it being linked, that is a correct one; it directs to the runesphere section on the runespan page. 10:42, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Esteem pic
Please tell me it's fake and someone didn't get 211k pts in 2 days. 11:37, May 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * When you click on the icon it's highlighted and the uploader simply glued all the highlighted ones. -- 21:36, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Esteem is purely cosmetic
Mod Pi has officially stated Esteem is 100% cosmetic: http://i.imgur.com/dIvGf.png 13:57, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

rune essence v. elemental runes for platforms
So i hope this'll kill the edit war... http://i.imgur.com/zrB3z.png

I have 20 rune essence and 5 mind runes in my inventory and attempted to use a small missile platform. I got the message saying It required one air rune(an elemental rune) and NOT RUNE ESSENCE! I'm changing the page accordingly. 21:54, May 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Rune essence can be used for the conjuration platforms rather than elemental runes. However, the elemental rune, not essence, requirement for missile platforms is still required. 22:06, May 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Small Missle Platforms needs a elemental rune. Conjuration platforms needs a Rune Essence.

22:11, May 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Conjuration platforms:

http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/a422/IAF_Roadrunner/Conjurationplatform.png

Fire Essling middle floor
Have any of you noticed a Fire Essling on the middle floor? I haven't seen any yet, I do not think they are on the middle floor.

22:42, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Making these be used on a page


Hope people use them. 00:12, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

XP Rates
What is currently listed under experience rates for RuneSpan is rather unhelpful; perhaps testers could go around, testing over a sample of many hours what the average XP is given certain conditions (ie, using only floor 2 with full access to all nodes and teleports (55+ RC) and averaging over time while taking advantage of the fastest XP opportunities, or just camping to siphon the high level monster possible). Since it's sort of random, about 10 hours should be sampled over time to give an accurate estimate of mean XP gained given certain training conditions. This would be extremely helpful in making RuneSpan a more systematic training method where XP rates and general time until levelling up can be calculated most effectively. Partin 02:57, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Best strategy
I did a test at 73-74 runecrafting. I did 1 hour of camping death esswraiths and high level nodes (nebulae, shifters, jumpers, skulls), and I got 48k xp/hr. I did 1 hour of camping lower level nodes on a large island (fleshy growths, chaotic clouds, nebulae), without using esswraiths, and got 90k xp/hr. Clearly, the strategy is not optimum. Camping mid-level nodes on a large island is far more effective. I also believe that using the floating essence is more effective than killing esswraiths for essence. 128.250.233.206 05:46, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Split the strategy into points (highest creature you can do) and xp (go two or three lower). 10:05, May 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I also agree with OP:
 * I feel the strat is all wrong in the guide, the best XP comes from killing low level esslings for ess and then going purely for nodes.

The current guide suggest you should kill creatures until a node spawns. I believe the best XP is gained by moving around looking for the nodes that are 2-3 tiers below the one you can collect level wise.

Level 85 - 90-100k XP/hour by only doing shifters/jumpers/nebulas + yellow wizard Kasc 08:33, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Charged water-based spell + Frost Tomb
If you charge your staff with a spell that requires water runes (such as Ice Barrage). If you weild the Frost Tomb in the off-hand, will you be charged water runes when casting?

lol, 00:55, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Someone might want to edit in somewhere on the Runespan page (possibly the strategy section) that you can speak to wizard finix on the starting platform of both the lower and middle floors and purchase 10 of each rune (upto the level you can siphon)by selecting option 3 when talking to him ('Can I have some runes?') at a cost of 177 Reward points.

Anti-duck 12:06, May 4, 2012 (UTC)