RuneScape:Requests for deletion/Slang dictionary (1)

Slang dictionary
There is no reason for this article. This article teaches our users the inappropriate means of bypassing the chat filter issued by Jagex. So what, this wikia is not affiliated with Jagex, but why must we teach it's players and users how to break it's rules. This page allows for unfiltered/uncensored content that is both discriminating and offensive. It breaks all standards and policies around offensive and sexually explicit language, and because it's "slang" it's considered informational. There is no needs for this article what-so-ever on this wikia!!!!

'''If a deletion is not a census we can all agree on, perhaps instead we could come to a mutual census and delete all offensive content and leave the regular slang alone. I'd much rather prefer this as there is some very useful information on this article. Just please remove all the inappropriate ones. '''

Thanks!

11:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Remove all Offensive Content - As per above - 11:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Remove only Offensive Content - There are a lot of players (like me) that English isnt our native language, I for one, couldnt understand the slang people use. And of course I never use offensive language. This guide has helped alot of my mexican friends that play Runescape too... so pls reconsider its deletion, but not its modification Jd0064 15:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Remove all content The internet slang dictionary is endless. This page was discussed before to be removed, and once again, I see no need for it as a page. We already have redirects for all the runescape slang to the correct article i.e. addy arrows. It is also highly offensive. ‎Atlandy 15:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Remove all content There is no need for this page on the wiki. If somebody does not know the slang, just politley ask the player to repeat what they said without the slang, or go to a website that shows you different slang. We just need to get this page of this wiki. Matthew 548 20:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Remove only offensive content - There are plenty of people who don't know a DDS from a DDP, so the majority of the content should be kept. A note at the top of the article to (try to) stop people adding such content back in would also be good. 16:41, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete-Per Atlandy. WWTDD? 16:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

(Support transferred from talk page)


 * Delete -  15:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - [[Image:Dragon_halberd.png]] Lanning9 [[Image:Ancient_staff.png]] 16:11, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment - Why are we following Jagex's rules on this one, but not other pages? What is wrong with the community? We don't want players to say "penis" but we'll let them see the Mod center? We need to focus on consistency... 17:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Then i'd say why not make all the pages follow the rules? (ps. i cant find the mod center, but ahh whatever) 18:55, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I was refering to this discussion. 19:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly, there is no consistency. Wikia's states right in it's policy that the rules of RuneScape must be respected. Thats why abolishing the Mod Center information is a must!!!!!! I totally agree with you!!!!!! 19:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - I would totally support in revamping the page and removing ALL offensive material, I personallly Use this page to understand what my fellow players are saying, the RsGG 'Player dictionary' does NOT cover a majority of the slang/abbreviations used in the game, these are almost essential to understand when playing the game. But I stand at Oppose for deletion of the article for that reason stated above.   [[Image:P_hauberk.PNG‎ ]]  floppyc5  [[Image:Ancient_Tally.png‎ ]]  19:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Support 165.155.192.94 19:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep for foreigners is this page VERY helpfull.TY.
 * Kinda an oxymoron....confused? 20:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Remove All Offensive Content - I can see why Karlis want's to remove the page in it's interity, but it would still be consistent if we were to only remove the offensive parts of the page, and just leave slang for items or certain abbreviations such as, "LOL", "ROFL", "BGS" and etc.. Anything like, "STFU" would have to be further discussed, as all though it's common, people can see it incredibly offensive. 20:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I said neither remove or keep. I would just like to see the same rules and guidelines followed on two controversial pages. If we are going to delete this because it breaks Jagex's rules, then the other page I mentioned should not be formed. If the other page is formed, then this page should remain 100% as is. I remain neutral on this page for now. 20:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Support Per above. But I believe we should leave the abbreviations in and simple describe them as being offensive, rather than explaining precisely what they mean. i.e. "stfu" could be something like "An offensive abbreviation meaning 'shut up'". 20:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete I agree. It's pointless and somewhat offensive. The last thing I want is for the Wiki to be known for telling other players how to bypass the filter.   Cund4 talk!

Keep jigenbakado Please! Keep the slang dictionary as it is!! Half the stuff on runescape is so-called "offensive" anyway! Maybe you could make a separate dictionary without the coarse language. Please listen to the previous idea!

Neutral True, a slang dictionary may contain offensive language and content, but nonetheless, a dictionary of other languages, such as spanish, japanese, french, exc., is bound to have offensive language, correct? However, I am not sure if we should keep the slang dictionary on the RuneScape wiki, because although it is resourceful in knowing what a 'bgs' is, or the abbreviation of what 'stfu' means, a suprising number of terms, such as 'lol' or '1337', is in a category of general slang language, and thus, can be found on certain sites, such as wikipedia, perhaps? Plus, I find that 90% of the time, if I need a clarification on what the term means, I can always ask a player or friend.

Overall, I cannot make up my mind as to whether or not the contents of the Slang dictionary should be deleted partially or completely. But I at least like to convey this: "No matter what language of a dictionary you are using, there is bound to be a word or words that can be used to offend people." So at least keep that in mind if you are considering to delete this article. I cannot support deletion, but at the same time, I feel that I cannot oppose it either.--Pkthis 20:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep The dictionary helped me understand some of what my friends were saying, its helpful. --Nalyd Renrut 20:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete Takes 3 seconds to ask someone what they mean. There's not even a warning for offensive language. Just delete it.--Kodeman76 21:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep We dont need to follow Jagex' rules, every single dictionary contains offensive words, it might be helpful, and if we were to remove every page which is considered a bit offensive removre pages as Glitch, or go display quest spoilers only a day from release. Theres also no real need to remove it, because the so called "Offensive terms" need to be understood too, we cant make players believe a term like "STFU" is a welcoming term.

Delete - It's just Jagex's official Player Dictionary, with offensive language and ASCII art randomly thrown in. Delete it.

Keep - This is just another attempt at censoring the wiki. 22:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep - per InstantWinston. This is the RuneScape Wiki, not a Jagex controlled website. 22:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Strongly Keep - A user if offended by the article has the right to ignore it or not read it. It is that simple, Like InstantWinston and Soldier 1033 i do not want the wiki to be any more censored. So far the wiki is good there is no purpose in deleting the article. This isnt a Kids Playground and if anyone seriously feels offended just dont click on it. Seriously people learn "slang" words and swear words else where. God Of War 22:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Censorship? Does a dictionary really need to say, "Yeah, As$ is a slang term that means Ass." Uh, no, that's not defining a slang term. That's instructions for evading the censor. And why do we have an entry for "<( (_Crayola_( "? What's that supposed to be doing here? Why is our "dictionary" giving a definition for an ASCII drawing of a crayon? All the actual abbreviations and stuff are basically just copied from the Knowledge base. Case in point: (o), (a), and (d). Those are only in there because the Jagex version has them; it's obvious it was just copied from there. Nobody actually refers to a Ring of Charos as just "I used my (a) to get half price on Charter Ships." troacctid 23:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Strong Keep- As said above, if a user is offended by the article he/she has the right to ignore or not read it.-- 23:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Clarify - When I supported, I did mean to only delete the offensive material. Just thought I ought to point that out. 00:23, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Slight Delete - I find that some of it is useful, but a good portion of it doesn't work out. I think that we should keep the ones that do not bypass the censor and are also commonly used. For certain ones, it might be a possibility to remove offensive meanings. Some phrases are not common and aren't used or rarely at all, while others have partial or incorrect meanings. That's my idea (From my post on the Slang Talk Page) -Monkey139 00:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep This is a wiki. It's for reference purposes. Also, I find this article quite useful in order to understand some of the language on RuneScape. I give my support. No questions asked. 01:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you meant to put "against". Supporting means you want it to be deleted. 02:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I just clarified all the votes so they say "Keep" or "Delete."

Keep article, but revamp - The majority of items listed are completely unnecessary ("<( (_Crayola_( ", "@$$", "<(^.^<), ^(^.^)^, (>^.^)>, (^(^.(^.^).^)^)", things like that ALL need to be removed). If items pertain to RuneScape or general internet lingo, keep them, because there are some actually useful bits of info in there. "702/Jad", "p++", "Chins", etc, are all things that are common in RS but that a new player would have no idea what people are talking about, so the list could be used for that. If it can be made into a RuneScape slang dictionary and not a "WtfRandomInternet" slang dictionary, then it's highly useful. 01:03, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep - I know this isn't wikipedia, but since we are related to wikipedia, being an encylopedic wikia, we shouldn't have to censor what could be considered information of encyclopedic value. While I do agree that some of the material on this page could be considered offensive to some, it does provide information on commonly used slang in runescape and is therefore valauable to some people. Sir Lenehan  01:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

The article should be deleted. Slang is not an inherent part of the game, only the people who play it. It's my belief that unless the information explicitly pertains to the RuneScape game or website, it should not be here. It may be useful to some players, but an article's usefulness and an article's notability are not the same. If I made an article pertaining to a tasty chocolate chip cookie recipe perhaps someone would find it useful, but it certainly wouldn't have a place anywhere on the Wiki. A less severe but similar scenario exists here.

I would be in favor of keeping the article after an extensive cleanup (which it needs anyway), but determining what makes for noteworthy slang or not would be a virtually impossible task and a waste of investment. --Neo Garland 02:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete only offensive content - Agreed we don't need to be teaching how to bypass the filters, but useful non-offensive definitions of abbreviations (etc.) should be kept. 02:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Strong Delete - There is practically NO POINT in having this wiki here. I know that we do not have to read it if we don't want to, but it is a wasted wiki. Slang cannot be learned by reading a long list of all the different kinds of casual terms. It is simply a matter of being exposed and playing the game long enough. Also, a player who hears a word he/she has never seen before won't think "Hmm...what does that word mean? I'm going to use the RUNESCAPE WIKI for this!"...uh yeah...I didn't think so.'' Chungus 02:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I do. And many others do, too. 04:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Clarification - Okay, I know I suggested removing the offensive material, but we Can do something else. Kind of how we have the spoiler warning on the, Betrayal at Falador article, we can put one up that states something like, " WARNING!  This article contains highly offensive content! The RuneScape Wiki WILL NOT be held liable for any offense to any parties, or damages to RuneScape accounts caused by avoiding the censor." 03:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete - Its pointless. As it says on the page, it will never be complete, and to say the truth, I havent seen most of those words in all the years I have been playing. Delete it, its a waste of time. 03:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete - Per above. CFLM ( Talk ) 04:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Strong Keep - This is an encyclopedia. We should have everything that a RuneScape player needs information on. And this article is used by many people. I also find it very useful. And what happens if we get rid of the "offensive" material? People wouldn't find certain words they wanted to look up in it. Keep the page, and leave it as it is. 04:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm still keeping my vote as Keep, but I think that we should only remove the offensive content that no one's heard about, like "Ilyp." 22:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep - per C Teng. €MØŠwô®L[) 05:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep - per InstantWinston. Naikiw 05:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep - I hadn't realized that this wiki was centralized around keeping Jagex happy (i.e. the current discussion on removing classified info) and making it "safe" for you very easily offended people. If we are going to start censoring and deleting "offensive" material, I believe we should censor all weapon images. They are pointy, you might get hurt. Dsctatom 06:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * So only the weak take offense to penis pictures and the f word? And this has nothing to do with Jagex. This is about decency. 07:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you are so easily offended, why are you on the internet? This is a very dangerous place for "weak" people like yourself. Dsctatom 00:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Strong Keep - This page is very useful. We're here to make an encyclopedia/fansite/whatever of RuneScape. This is about RuneScape. It helps. We're uncensored. What more could you want?

Though, there are some rather stupid entries. "N.@.K.E.D." means "naked"? Yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone knew that (not that we needed to...). The ASCII Crayola crayon is also pointless. Stuff like that wouldn't hurt to be removed. 07:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC) (Edit conflict)

Keep As a fairly high leveld player, I often find myself looking at this page to translate some strange language. Hankmeister 07:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Remove Offencive im a seasoned RS player [2002] and i still dont understand alot of the abbreviations and slang used nowadays ._.

 :[TALK]:   Z X rawr X Z    :[CONT]:   09:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment - So what, we are not Jagex nor do we have to abide by there policy, but is it really necessary to teach it's users and our users the profanity. It's not necessary as Jagex block the language anyways so why is it necessary to post abbreviations or means to avoid the filter. By using these abbreviations, users continue to break the rules of Jagex and are reportable. Why are people so intent in have the wikia users knowing information that can harm there account? Delete the offensive material, that's all there is too it. If users wish to seek slang, they can do so elsewhere. We should not be an encyclopedia for useless nonsense that is not necessary. If you don't understand English and want to know an acronym or abbreviation, ask the user saying it. If it comes out filtered, it's not worth knowing.

09:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Delete All Offensive Content - The abbreviations like "AFK" may be useful. But how many of us use this page for the offensive content it contains? As far as I know, I have NEVER visited this page, nor did I know it even existed until it was placed on the main page. So I scrolled down the article, growing more disgusted as I went.

To those of you who want to keep the offensive language, tell me: have YOU used the offensive content in this article? If so, in what way has it helped you, besides bypassing the chat filter? Do you enjoy being able to curse in-game? Do you enjoy the risk of getting reported?

In addition, some of the individual slang words are probably only used by the person who posted it. For example, take the abbreviation "Ah." Now, how many of you know that it stands for "Ahrim?" That is the dumbest abbreviation I have ever seen; there is no way that a player could guess that "ah" stands for "Ahrim," not to mention that "Ahrim" is too short to even abbreviate effectively. Plus, I use the word "ah" all the time, and not as an abbreviation. -.-  15:03, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep

hmm... there seems to be a big warning at the top ive heard players saying delete it because it encourages rule breakers,listen to this: the only players who use offencive language have to avoid the censor, not all players know what wtf means isnt saying that better then saying it outright? players wont know what it means if the page is deleated. keeping us more informed about abreviated language from this web sight. or how boutt  having two seperate pages one for bad words one for good --Godpower49 02:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Everyone knows what "Wtf" means. If you don't, then you shouldn't be on the internet. Even then, it would be better to say "What the heck" than "What the *uck". And there are much, much worse things than "wtf" on the article. Read it.


 * And your comment about "the only players who use offencive language have to avoid the censor" only disproves your point. Avoiding the censor = rulebreaking. 18:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

wtf is an example jagex says fansites should follow jagex rules rule 1 offencive language it can not be offencive in less you are telling some1 to fuck off where he page simply tells you what it means "the page is not telling you to fuck off" so any1 who is offended by the page should read the warning --Godpower49 02:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * What's your point? I know "Wtf" isn't offensive, as it doesn't bypass the filter in any way. But what about those alternate spellings of "penis" and "naked?" You think those should be left there? 02:29, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep and Reform

There's no reason for it to contain anything other than RS specific slang, if anyone wants to look up anything general they have the rest of the Internet at their finger tips. As long as it is a common expression it deserves a place. Also, anyone screaming censorship might as well stop, I've heard worse from twelve year olds.


 * And these 12 year old learn it from school right? 17:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Where any child learns any information regarded as offensive is beside the point, you can't unlearn it. God forbid they hurt their precious little ears.
 * It's people like you as to why society is the way it is today. 17:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. Don't forget to sign your comments.
 * At any given point in time there will be an opinion that society wasn't the way it used to be (which it isn't), and therefore is worse.

Keep and don't change

players wan't to know, since it's used in Runescape anyway, there's no proper reason why it should be deleted, after all it already said that it contains offensive content, so what? we have our rights to use abbrevations like lol and we have a right to know them!  Btzkillerv has entered the building!   18:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Lol isn't offensive. And there is no proper reason to keep the offensive material either. I'm pretty sure no one needs to know what "Ilyp" (I love your pussy) means. 19:26, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * ILYP brings up no hits anywhere for said meaning, and was probably added by some bored kid.


 * Which brings us to one of my posts above. As I said, most of these "abbreviations" were added randomly by some individual who just came up with them himself. Therefore, much of this article is useless. 02:29, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete only the offensive content Per Hurston 20:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Strong Keep. Just add a little thing at the top warning about offensive language. I find it really useful when my friends say a little abbreviation. Until I read it, I didn't know what lmao meant.


 * Delete only offensive contenr Per Hurston -- 22:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

DELETE This is WAY too offensive for this wiki and all RS sites. Why was it ever made? Killr833 22:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC) '''

Keep and Modify

If you are offended certain words, first of all, maybe you shouldn't be on the internet. Secondly, why can't we compromise by using asterisks to censor the words we find offensive? People have been saying that this information is available on other websites, but pretty much everything on this site is available on other websites. This site is intended to be a convenient place for all of the information you need. We can't just refer everyone to a different site.


 * You say you want to keep and modify, but then you tell people that they shouldn't be on the internet if they're offended by certain words. What is your real position? The Wiki is not an intended place to teach people the correct way to say "penis" in-game. 02:29, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The first part was a joke... This article isn't about teaching anyone anything; it's merely a reference for people. The jargon used by RS players can get pretty unique and confusing. It doesn't hurt to have a place where players can go if they don't understand something. I've modified it a little myself already, but if everyone really is offended by the word 'fuck,' then I wouldn't see much wrong with censoring it with asterisks. Gramczar 06:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

You're supposed to sign your posts. Killr833 23:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep and Modify I agree with Killr833. And also read this page. -- 23:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep Per Instant and CTeng.--00:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep and Modify

This article isn't supporting people to use bad words on RS. This is simply a guide for online slang just in case a player doesn't know what ROFL stands for. If this article is to be kept, they should modify all bad words to have censorship. Like in the meaning for WTF, they could just put it as "What the F***". No offensive content if they do that.

Justine2369 02:13, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep Runescape has it's own set of slang, and it is very convenient if it is all on one page. Mr.L Froslass 04:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep There is some very useful information here, and occasionally I find myself looking things up. I am sure that non-native English speakers find it even more useful. That said, some of it should be removed, for example "Heetler" and "hornee", since these only give people ideas of how to circumnavigate the chat filter. But conceptually the page should stay IMO. 08:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And "offensive" entries like "ffs" should stay regardless! I use it quite often, and it's not against the rules.  Things like ILYP (see above) should be removed, as they're obviously not used.  Perhaps there should be a policy of talk page discussion before adding controversial entries, and adding suspicious entries without discussion first should perhaps be grounds for reverting.   08:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep' The article contains informative information. Even if some of it is "offensive", it contributes to knowledge and lets players know what is being said. Yes, players could use some of the entries to bypass the chat filter, but we are by no means encouraging them to do so; infact, we even tell players to report others for swearing. If a player misuses the guide to bypass the chat filter, that's thier choice, and it is not our responsibility to aid Jagex in the upkeeping of RuneScape's rules.-- Pig House  Inane Ramblings  09:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep It's useful. People often use unfamiliar acronyms and it's handy to have a resource to look them up. Thezmothete 12:22, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep and edit Players deserve to know what others are saying even if its offensive. Instead of removing all offensive content we should just but a label saying something like "This word is used to bypass the filter. Using it may get you banned." Thevi0lence 13:28, 20 December 2008 (UTC)Thevi0lence

Remove some but not all offensive content Rude or offensive language and ASCII art should be removed, e.g. the art concerning the genitals and as people mentioned earlier, words that show players how to bypass the language filter (@ss for ass). Some offensive language such as ffs, ftw can be seen quite often in the game. I remember wondering if someone was insulting me when they said "ffs noob". But only some should be kept of course. 13:41, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Remove all majorly offensive content Bad language should be removed for younger users. Cj Pichu 14:32, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment I have made a new template for offensive pages: Like it? 14:41, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you take the first "some" out, it would be good. Gramczar 20:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)