Talk:Dungeoneering/Pre-release

Merge
 Merge Keep - This is just another future update, not enough to warrant its own article until we actually have a confirmed name for the skill. 21:33, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * On second thought, this is probably the biggest update since Summoning, it's only going to get bigger as more info is leaked. I'm sure a lot of people are interested in it and this page lets them track any accurate info about the upcoming skill. 23:03, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support Nothing new here, it can be created when a name is released. 06:46, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - What?! Nothing new here? Rephrase please. 08:24, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - To vague currently. Much better suited on the future updates page where people will logically go to look for the info. 06:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed to Neutral after reading the comments after me. 10:51, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - This is a much more important update than something like the dragon crossbow, and we have a page for that. 18:18, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, the argument about the name is irrelevant - we have plenty of info already. 18:19, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Sounds good. --Coolnesse 23:52, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - This has been speculated for over a year and with all the info and speculation; this is probably the only valid reliable source for speculation and information and clues. Don't deny the opportunity. Azorrez 08:57, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - This is the LARGEST update of the year. It deserves its own article. We can merge it with the official article when the skill comes out. -- 03:04, February 23, 2010 (UTC)superplayer08

Oppose merge' - No! It's the largest announced update of the decade! This page will be an extremely high searched term. Name is fairly irrelevant. It's about the information and this article is packed
 * UGH! Another unsigned poster.... -- 22:44, February 23, 2010 (UTC)Superplayer08

Oppose - We did the same thing with Aquanite, and it was called something like "New Slayer Monster" 05:41, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - But move the info from the Skills page onto here as it is better presented. 19:28, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Strong support - Per Rwojy and Evil Yanks. 22:47, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - The fact that we don't know the skill's name is completely irrelevant - it's just one more fact to add to the long list of facts in the article. How would merging this article accomplish anything? 23:00, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I do! A jmod said in a developer blog that it would be Shattered Heart. 10:19, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * That is a skill update to Hitpoints, not a new skill. 10:20, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

I wonder can it be used to make money?

Keep - This is one of the greatest updates of 2010, if not the greatest! Do not merge!

Closed - I think that this has been a landslide in favour of keeping. 05:00, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Move
I think that "New skill" is a better name then "New 2010 skill", since the current name assumes that every player already knows that the skill will be released this year, which is not true. 05:07, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per nom. --Coolnesse 15:07, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - It's the new skill that's coming in 2010, so Summoning could've been made the same way, with a "New 2007-2008 Skill", and so will other future skills. I oppose the move. 16:18, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Actually, Jagex has stated that the new skill will come this year. So, it is guaranteed to come in 2010, unless Jagex does the unthinkable and renegs on its promise. 02:31, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Would we keep the page after the skill came out? 16:55, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, we would merge the history into a history section on the new skill page. 04:37, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Well it was speclated for 2009. First March, then June and then August. Then they said it would be out by the end of the year. Then they said it would come out in 2010 March then June-July and this one is most likely. If not; Jagex will probably release the 2010 New Skill in the last 6 months of the year. It is very very UnLIKELY that it will be released in 2011 or later.

Apprenticeships
The New Skills 90% Apprenticeships.
 * What do you mean? Do you have any proof that the skill is going to be "Apprenticeship"? Otherwise, read RS:NOT. 19:06, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have proof it will be sheep-shearing. Drumgun said so. -- 22:48, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * You know you like it. --Coolnesse 00:57, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's only one problem with Drumgun's theory: Sheepshearing = Crafting... He's just a player whos Yellow phat has gotten not just onto, but INTO his head. -- 19:52, March 6, 2010 (UTC)superplayer08

I belive it will be Mastership or Scholarship, why? here are my reasons:


 * It will involve all of the other skills.
 * It's nothing that has been used on any other game.
 * It won't affect the player's combat level.
 * It won't make the player waste money.
 * So maybe it's about teaching other players, or NPCs about an skill. ~Anonymous.

stealing creation likeness???
i think its going to be something like stealing creation. in the way that it aids you in leveling current skills. i have yet think oh how of curse since we already have stealing creation my suggestion seems dumb. except that the new skill will determine how much aid you get in a skill you choose or how you get your aid.

Is this Constitution?
Is the change from Hitpoints to Constitution the new skill?... I don't think so but it is technically new... 0xg0ldpk3rx0 20:19, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nope, Constitution is just a rename, and they said the updates today have nothing to do with the new skill. 20:20, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah...Darn, you beat me. I finally read through all of the news and noticed that... well. That still sucks lol. I want to know what it is already. 0xg0ldpk3rx0 20:30, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

idea on what it is
I think if im allowed to say. what i think it is. Mod remove this if its not allowed to guess. I personally think its swimming!!! i saw a video of a player underwater in one of the videos on runescape!!! Note: this is not a fact I only said its an idea -- 17:00, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * lol there are quests where you have to go underwater and there already are underwater ares for players to swim in.....its not new sorry. 17:04, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * i missed that :( never knew about it :| name of quest?-- 17:12, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking diving/swimming as well. If you think about it, it can cover all the facts we've learned so far. Almost every skill can be relative to it.Thieving: you dive to lost cities and loot the ruins. Slayer/Combat, new underwater monsters. Herblore: New aquatic herbs, etc. etc. etc. Allows you to explore the oceans of Runescape, opening up an entire new world of maps. It doesn't start with a 'B' :p. It will open up new PvP tactics. It's certainly different than anything on there!

Flying doesn't seem like it would open up much, unless it was space travel. Which would just be silly since they're already making a sci fi game. Flying is also somewhat mount-based. They said it doesn't have anything to do with mounts. 06:44, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ok my second guess is Piloting. (flight).. its not related at all. No boating sailing. And its non combat.. mostly i think.. -- 21:05, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

flying doesnt have much use as theres already lots of ways you can get around it wouldnt have much purpose. good idea though. Rabbit Fear 21:21, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

What are you stupid?
obviously it has to be a skill that benefits players. What are we going to do with Swimming? Idiots.

Massive New Lead
Gnomecopter - it that npc that a massive lead, normally jagex just removed stuff, but this one, the just added a npc, this could a lead , i looked into the clues and here some leads to it:


 * The skill is unique and not similar to any other skill.
 * Flying
 * It will involve all current skills!
 * i think it means only f2p skills
 * The skill will partially be F2P.
 * The new skill will take you beyond the current free map.
 * fly across the map
 * Aspects of the skills will be good for Pures in PVP.
 * bombs! lol!
 * It won’t have any impact on your combat level.
 * The skill doesn't start with a ‘B’.
 * making it a possible skill
 * Training will not be money driven.
 * A ship is featuring in it quite prominently
 * could be a link
 * It's not Sailing or anything like that.
 * more links
 * There will be no start quest.
 * yay
 * No other skill levels required for any part of the skill.
 * It will be released closer to the middle of the year than to the end of the year.
 * they closed in 31 March 2008 meaning it could come back on that date
 * it was planed for a minigame
 * this was could of been a minigame
 * It will be released closer to the middle of the year than to the end of the year.
 * they closed in 31 March 2008 meaning it could come back on that date
 * it was planed for a minigame
 * this was could of been a minigame

so what you think?-- 18:32, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Piracy?
In my opinion i reckon it is Piracy. This is just me saying but here are my clues: Piracy would be unique. For example it could use fishing to catch fish or Thieving which is often tied to Piracy. There is no reason why it shouldn't. Piracy may take you on a boat and sail to places otherwise unreachable. Fighting by Piracy may impact your XP in combat skills. It shouldn't have any impact. Biracy is not a pssible skill. But infact you may earn money. Which would allow Piracy to work otherwise. But still similar which can explain the famous hi-score glitch. Which there shouldn't.
 * The skill is unique and not similar to any other skill.
 * It will involve all current skills!
 * The skill will partially be F2P.
 * The new skill will take you beyond the current free map.
 * Aspects of the skills will be good for Pures in PVP.
 * It won’t have any impact on your combat level.
 * The skill doesn't start with a ‘B’.
 * Training will not be money driven.
 * A ship is featuring in it quite prominently.
 * It's not Sailing or anything like that.
 * There will be no start quest.

Additionally the Cursed Archipelago which has never been seen may be part of the skill and a big clue.

The Strange Power which the source is located at the Wilderness Castle has two entrances. One blocked off by Fremniks and the other unaccesible on the eastern side. This is surrounded by water.

In Dragon Slayer the player sails to Crandor which may be a component of the new skill.

Canoes already exist in RuneScape.

The Sailing glitch often known as 'Sailgate' has been removed since and Jagex may of changed it so that Piracy may look completly different to Sailing.

The banner which was related to 'Sailgate' shows someone sailing towards an island which may be an island involved in Piracy. Azorrez 10:45, March 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * WTF is Biracy? 10:42, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

- I was joking about the biracy thing... lol! Azorrez 05:57, March 19, 2010 (UTC) Well, nice idea but when they said a ship will feature in it quite prominently, they meant to hint that it ends with the suffix ship. Well, good luck training it when it comes out
 * NOOOOOO! You copied me and I copied my friend so piracy already exists 01:34, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed facts
I recently edited one of these confirmed facts reguarding a "clue" posted by a Mod which stated the new skill would be released durring the best time of the year. The previous editor seemed to believe that this ment the skill would be released durring the summer assuming summer to be the best time of year. My edit stated that this "clue" was little more than a joke seeing as the launch of the new skill would make any time of the year the best time of the year. Shortly after my edit, someone changed my edit to one that suggested summer time would be the best time of year for an update based on the idea that players would be out of school and have more time to play. I reverted this edit back to my own but thought I'd start this section in the talk page to discuss this "clue" rather than start an edit war. If you agree with my view on the "clue" or one of the other interpretations, please feel free to discuss it here before editing the article. 05:47, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that it was a non-NPOV statement (best from your perspective). I'd be fine with you putting it back, but the wording could probably use some tinkering, so others don't make the same mistake I did. He has knocked four times. 23:12, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Put both on coz there pretty dsrn good! Azorrez 21:44, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Firearms
The new skill is supposed to rework the battle triangle, which got me to thinking, which side of the triangle needs to be tweaked?

Obviously, the weakest one: Range.

Think about it, a firearm skill would, as leaked, include most skills, such as mining as smithing for making your firearm, herblore for making gunpowder, ranged for shooting it, maybe construction for actually building it, magic if it could be enchanted, and agility for firing, and then crafting for modification.

Even if I'm wrong...oh i hope I'm right! Yeah firearms!
 * Since when is Ranged weakest? Last I checked, max melee hit is 1060. Max ranged hit is 1500 (!). Max Magic hit... 480, WITH a castle wars bracelet. Hmm... I guess 580 damage is small enough to ignore nowadays... Also, at least ranged gets some protection from all areas of the triangle. Mage robes = 0 ranged protection and EXTREMELY low melee protection. Meleers can also put on dragonhide with no hindrance to their attacks, granting them magic defense. A mage has no ability to do this. In fact, Meleers can wear any armour they want, besides Armadyl. Rangers can wear ranged armour and mage armour. Mages can only viably wear mage armour. All in all, I'd say that magic is FAR weaker than either of the other two points of the triangle. Mythomagic5 05:33, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Horseback Riding
I think the new skill is horseback riding but this is just a guess.
 * haha, you're an idiot.-- 19:00, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

I know. But it does have something to do with travel

I would think its apprenticeship, but firearms... not a bad idea. not a bad idea AT ALL!!!

Well, could it be "Travel" itself? it may feuture a ship quite prominently, and it could include: Gnomicopters, Ships, Horses, Fast(er) Running... you need wood, construction and crafting for the ship, hunter (to catch horse) for riding, and so on. Just a thought.

Silly americans and their obsseion with guns... -- 01:22, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Jagex stated that they would never implement horses into the game. even have a look on the suggestions forum and then on what not to suggest. also asking the fairy dragon in the sir amik vase part of recipe for disaster states that there are "no horses in runescape" 01:26, March 27, 2010 (UTC)