Talk:Ring of wealth

Personally, I think that the wealth ring does very little - it increases the chances of a half key, a dragon spear, and (possibly) a dragon half shield. However, it is debatable whether it has any other effect. --Eucarya 16:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

...copied from my talk page, may be useful to some people...

I found it interesting that you don't use a ring of wealth. Do you not believe in them? Two out of my three d drops have been when I wasn't wearing one, so I'm not sure how I feel about them myself. --Wowbagger421 22:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I think ring of wealth only affects "second dice roll" type of drops. For example, if you were creating a new monster you'd say code it as Herb 20, Gem 5, Bronze longsword 3, Chaos runes 3, Air runes 6, etc... The engine then just packages this into a set of probabilities.

Now only "Herb" and "Gem" would involve a "second dice roll" - so you kill the monster, the drop selected is "Gem". Now then, the engine then has a second dice roll to determine the "quality" of that gem. Ring of wealth merely improves the odds on what type. In this specific example, "Gem", there's not just sapphire, emerald, ruby and diamond. In addition to this there's Dragon spear, Dragon half shield, and Half of a key. We know this because anything that drops gems can also drop those items. What your ring of wealth does is improve the chances of getting a "better" result on the second dice roll. It seriously doubt it will improve the chances of getting, say, a Dragon medium helmet, or any other Dragon armour item, and will probably not affect the rate that the unique slayer drops such as Rune boots or Granite mauls drop.

The way that the ring of wealth works was hinted at in one of the letters pages. -- Eucarya Talk 08:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Now then, whether there is "Other" second rolls happening I don't know (and if they are, ring of wealth helps). I suspect talismans are a second dice roll, but it is pure guesswork.
 * Great link and an amusing read. The second dice element only kicks in when there is a choice for the second item. So when killing the KQ, the first dice says "A chainbody", the second dice determines "rune" or "dragon". Obviously, a wealth ring helps in such a case. Same with seed drops, amount of coins drops and so on. The speculation clearly is on the category definition of the first dice. The odds improvement for the second dice roll also is uncertain. Most RS boosts are fairly small (5 to 10 percent maximum). --Miw 14:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Why do you all assume that items are grouped by some common property for the second roll? It seems to me that the more likely scenario is that the first roll determines a drop list from a small choice of possible lists. For example, a monster might have have 3 lists, say, common, uncommon and rare, with probabilities of 70%, 28% and 2% respectively. Each of this lists would then have individual items. The rare list would have items like, for example, rune full helm, rune longsword and, say dragon med, with a 5% chance of a dragon med (making effective probability of getting a dragon med 0.1%). With wealth, the chance for dragon med from the rare lists would be boosted to say, 10%, giving effective probability 0.2%.

I seriously doubt that say, a dragon chainbody is part of a second dice roll. In fact, I suspect that most armour and weapon drops are defined in the first roll, ESPECIALLY where that monster is one of the only to drop it - so KQ will have both rune chain and dragon chain in drop list, rather than this being in a second roll. (Therefore, the ring of wealth would not increase your chances of getting a chain). I have some suspicions that there's a "slayer_coins" second roll defined from a lot of slayer monsters cos there's great similarity between the coin amount drops - 11...44..132..220..460 across a great deal of them. Another drop-set I think might exist is steel battleaxe...steel 2h....rune full helm (Jelly, Gargoyle, Nechryael). However, this could simply be someone copying a to b - it is impossible to tell whether a second dice roll is happening there.

Why have "second dice rolls" at all? It's simply convenient to do so in certain cases - instead of having to modify every single monster to give it a small chance of dropping a dragon spear, all they had to do was modify the "Gem roll" piece code so that immediately, any monster that can drop a gem can also drop a dragon spear. I also suspect that "second dice rolls" have fallen out of fashion - when they introduced crossbows, they seemed to modify a selected group of monsters, rather than the items being on a "second dice roll" that they could insert anywhere. Most monsters don't seem to drop similar armour/weapons every time - the steel battleaxe...steel 2h...rune full helm is the only link I can think of and that looks more a case of copy/paste rather than a second roll (only very extensive testing with/without a ring of wealth including several thousand kills could point to an answer). -- Eucarya Talk 15:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I found a Kalphite queen log on a fan site which documented drop percentages with and without the ring over more than 1000 kills. From this, it was evident that there is around a 1.7% chance of a d chain drop without the ring and only 0.5% with the ring. Two101 20:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ring of wealth has helped me scored better herbs (less guam-types, more ranarr/kwuarm/lantadyme) and gems (diamond) and rune equipment drops such as (rune full helm from jellies). Rare drops become more common, or less rare. Had 2 red dragonhide vambraces drops from dust devils today. All wearing the ring. Nothing really too special, since I got a Shield left half from a dust devil once, when not using a RoW. 165.21.155.115 00:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that here on Runescape Wiki, we should keep pages for drop percentages where you can record what drops you get from certain monsters. This would replace the (common)'s on the monsters drop section, because what really is common, uncommon, and rare. And if we had an extensive record, we could actually see if ROW helped the drops, and with many people working on it instead of one persons record, it would be more reliable.-Shadesleer 23:18, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Kodeman76/Drop List This should help you a lot.--Kodeman76 00:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm making a Tormented Wraith log to see how many I kill to get an holy elixir WITH Wealth, and then how much I gotta kill to get it WITHOUT the wealth.-- 01:49, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think with how that RoW works you can't get good data with getting just one, i think 5-10 would be a better number. Eather that or you way what you get when you kill 100 of them (or 1000 of them to be more accurate).Mathwiz908 22:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

About pickpocketing
Is it advisable to wear the ring of wealth when pickpocketing, say Master Farmers? I would really like it if I had a better chance to get rare seeds. But does it have any effect at all?


 * I THINK(not REALLY sure) that the Wealth only helps in monster drops from KILLING them, so I think it doesn't help in pickpocketing.-- 01:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Muti-combat zone question
If you are in a multi-combat zone, and two people (both wearing a ROW) are fighting the same moster, does that increase the odds of getting a good drop even more, or does it remain the same? Mathwiz908 20:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As only the victor (most damage) gets the drops, only his ring would have an effect. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  20:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

to be honest if it does help it will literally be a 1 in a million chance. scroll down to see my full comment! asa1130

CHARMS
It affects charm drops? How do we know? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

DOES THE "ROW" INCREASE THE DROP RATE OF CHARMS?

AND LETS SAY FOR EXAMPLE A MONSTER DROPS 2 ITEMS A DRAGON FULL HELM AND CHARMS. IF WEARING THE ROW WILL IT INCREASE THE CHANCE OF THE CHARMS OR THE DRAGON FULL HELM?

ALSO VICE-VERSA LETS SAY THE BEST DROP OF A MONSTER IS CHARMS AND THE REST OF THE ITEMS ARE SEEDS AND NONE OF THE GOOD SEEDS. IF WEARING THE ROW WILL IT INCREASE THE CHANCE OF THE CHARMS OR SEEDS?

PUT THE ANSWERS ON THE ARTICLE PAGE IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER Italic text

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$$Insert formula here$$ all the row does is increse the chance of getting a better rare... if u killed a monster and it dropped a rare the ring of wealth increases the chances or that rare being the most valuable one it doesnt affect the amount of rares u get

ring of wealth
i have been wearing a ring of wealth for a very long time now and went to a lot of effort to get one and personally i am very dissapointed by it. i mainly train with the hill giants near valroc and on a good day i will get a bunch of limpwurts and maybe a ruby if i am really lucky. i read on another website that you can get dragon spears from those guys and everyytime i go down there i ask everyone else that is training if they have ever had a dragon spear or even know somebody that has and thats a lot of people and only three people in the year that i have done this say that they have and in one case they had it on them as i asked and showed it to me! i then ask did you wear a ring of wealth and in one case the dragon spear winner said to me " whats a ring of wealth!?!?!?"!!! they are not very well known at to be honest do absolutly do nothing. i do think there may be some truth in the second dice roll theory but only to the extent that it is like rolling a 100 sided dice! 99 sides say no drop improvement and 1 says ok we we will give you an upgrade from a saphire to a ruby and then u roll again 99 sides versus 1 and eventually to get to a dragon spear it is like a million to one chance!!!

--92.18.81.48 00:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)asa1130


 * Well, if you don't like your ROW, then sell it. 00:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

well mine works fine as I have got 2 rubys in 10 kills and 3 diamonds in 30.Jamesrules90 09:01, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

The Row has no effect if ur in lootshare or coinshare.