RuneScape:Requests for adminship/Sentra246

Sentra246
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I am nominating Sentra246 for adminship. He is a constant anti-vandal, and keeps watch over the Recent Changes when few others do so at those hours. He's an active member of the community in all areas, from Yew Grove to the clan chat to IRC. Most importantly, we have been in need of more Aussie/Kiwi administrators since Chicken became inactive and the others have stopped editing quite as often. I hope you'll support this request for adminship, because I think Sentra can use these extra tools to help the wiki. 11:14, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

''I Sentra246, accept this nomination for adminship. I have read the policies concerning administrators. I realise that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my powers because I realise that this is a serious offence and if the community finds that I have done so, my powers will be revoked and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban. Signed, 11:27, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Questions for the nominee
1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

If I get the tools I will mainly be involved in maintenance and anti-vandal, by blocking, deleting pages etc.

2. What are your best contributions to the RuneScape Wiki, and why?

I would say my best contributions are maintenance of articles and adding information after large game updates, like Dungeoneering and the new treasure trails and also anti-vandal warning them and reporting them to the cvu.

'''3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?'''

I have had a few running problems with a couple of editors and I usually just try to avoid the people I always seem to have conflicts with as a way of trying to deal with it. When I have different opinions with someone about what should be on an article I try to ask someone else for there opinion just so that it is neutral.

Additional questions (asked by the community if necessary)
Question: Since several users (including myself) are concerned about how you would actually use the tools, can you give us any insight into how you might do that?  14:03, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

I assume you are talking about which parts of the tools I would use and why I have a use for them. Well as I said above I would block vandals and do maintenance like deleting pages and merging histories etc. I think I have a use for them as there is a bit of a lack of sysop's in the Australian time zone. We have Ruud the days he comes on, which isn't everyday and the same for Degen. We also have Caleb who is only semi-active but that's it since Chicken, Powers and Evil Yanks left. Hope that answers your question. 23:51, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

'''What do you think sets you apart from the typical user? What can you give to the wiki using the tools should they be bestowed upon you?''' 17:48, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Well I would say the main things that I am different from most wiki users is my activity and my time zone. I consider my self very active, usually on quite a few hours each day and I am on at a time where there is often no admins on the wiki, ranks in game etc. But there are still vandals around and other things that sysop tools are needed to fix. By receiving the tools I think I could give the wiki a sysop in more times, therefore being less times with no sysops. Also people are saying there are less vandals now because they are into there school work more because it's not summer any more. In my time zone it is almost summer holidays meaning there will be more vandals, so I think we need another sysop in this time zone to get ready for that. Hope that answers your question. 01:46, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion
Support - Lots of antivandal work, and constantly steals my reverts. 11:19, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I trust Glenn, he is a brilliant anti-vandal, and he works well as a custodian. I was going to nominate him myself in the upcoming weeks, but it seems Cook has taken that chance away from me. In all seriousness, Glenn is one of the hardest working editors on the wiki at the moment in time, and he will make an amazing admin, whether or not, of course, it is too dark and not so bright. 11:26, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're not going to forget that are you? 11:30, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it is going to become a historical quote 12:34, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Glenn, I think you are a great editor, but you just don't need the tools. You only have 59 cvu edits, which justifies that you don't need blocking. You stated in the irc that you won't determine consensus, and deletion is really not that urgent. Sorry. 11:33, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Glenn, you are a wonderful asset to the wiki during Australian time zones. You are constantly watching over the recent changes, and constantly conflicting with me. Besides from anti-vandalisim, you are very active in the community, especially in the IRC (CANDY MOUNTAIN SENTRA). You are a wonderful editor and I would love to see you go far with the wiki. 12:00, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Support - You are a very good user. You stay calm at any times and really helped me when i had that thing with degen. If someone should have adminship, and if someone can be trusted, it is you. 12:34, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

 Super Strong Oppose Oppose - He is a nub. You are a great editor and could use the tools well. But, there are better editors than you that arent admins yet. And, you arent...how do i put this... well a link might explain it better. Ultra Sentra-Brand Spam. Im allowed to be immature, as an admin you arent... This oppose might still be changed during the course of the RFA though. - 13:07, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Although I hate to link other people to opposes, but look at certain discussions held by Rwojy, and the large amount of admins who like their lulz ;P, I'm not calling them immature, but what Glenn has done is light compared to some others. 13:18, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, i guess you have a point there. And its not like he is always like that... he just seems to have an attraction to editing my pages constantly... I have to see a psychiatrist now... Im still thinking - 13:24, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out that "better" editors is an inadequate word. (AND a terrible reason to oppose). Legit use of AEAE-no editor is better than another, some may just be more qualified for being a sysop. 13:38, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * But I mean better... There are editors that are better than him at editing. You disagree? If I'm going to support an RfA it's going to be for the best person for the job. And I don't really think it's Sentra :/ The CVU and Cat:delete get cleared out pretty fast already. This is my opinion and I don't really feel that they are 'bad reasons' - 14:02, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm...I guess...it just seemed like you were attacking the person more than their edits. Who says anyone "better" wants to even be a sysop? I agree with the oppose...just the reason...well meh. 14:06, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Well, it's a bit hard to comment on anything except editing when you know someone through the wiki and for personality I would normally just compare maturity. Now for this next bit, just keep in mind that this scale is a big one. I think that Evil is a much better editor. To me he just appears to know a more than Sentra. Which isn't to say that Sentra doesn't know a lot, just not as much as evil. And evil's RfA failed. I think it was something like 'doesnt need the tools' in most of the comments. So if evil failed then... you see where I'm coming from? - 14:18, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Just FYI, this is always a good guideline to help you decide. And Sentra has has an editor review here if you want some other user's opinions.-

Support Per Burnt Me Plox.-- 13:19, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why? You aren't even going to "per" someone? 13:38, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mind your own business Haloo, why do you have to boss me around? And I called you Haloo on purpose. -- 23:19, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * You have to put a reason for your stance otherwise it won't be used when the decision is made on this rfa. This is because we are not a democracy and the decision is made on reasons not how many support or opposes there are. 23:23, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't boss you around, I asked a simple question.  17:46, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per Chess. I generally disagree with him, but this time he said everything I was going to say to a tee. Thanks bro. 13:42, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know how much Sentra will use these tools, but I strongly doubt he will abuse them. 17:46, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Do we really need another admin right now? I know people don't like the we have too many admins argument, but I find it very applicable. We don't need 80% of the users here to be administrators. Pages marked for speedy deletion are cleaned out very quickly, there are more than enough counter-vandalism admins, and none of the other areas that administrators are able to edit/improve really need much work either. You are a great editor, and I would definitely trust you with the tools. That comes to my next point; you don't display a strong need for the tools. As said above, only 59 edits to the CVU, I don't see you tagging pages for deletion much, and very few requests on RS:AR. Additionally, and this is a very minor thing, I like any users to be able to use correct spelling and grammar during important situations. It looks much more professional. 14:18, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I Srtongly agree that admins need to be good at spelling (I can't even tell if that was on purpose) 14:26, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoops... 14:43, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per above, except for when Ajr mentioned that we have enough admins. This implies the usergroup is exclusive and that a high number of administrators are dead-weight, both of which I disagree with. 15:00, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - First of all, the wiki does not have a need for an additional sysop at this time. Both of the tasks that Sentra mentioned when answering his questions (deleting pages, blocking vandals, etc) are all sufficiently covered right now. Second of all, Sentra hasn't been that active in countervandalism. Granted, I'll admit that I'm in a different time zone, so I may not see all of his work. However, looking at his edit report I see that he isn't the most active anti-vandal. The maintenance work that he mentions does not require sysop tools (besides deleting, but the speedy deletion category is cleaned out very regularly). Lastly, I share Ajr's concern about grammar. If Sentra is unable to use proper spelling and grammar (I see that he has not capitalized many of the instances where he says "I") in a serious discussion page where proper spelling and grammar is a must, I cannot support him. 15:08, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * While I feel somewhat uncomfortable with this being the case, I too share in Liquid/Ajr's concern regarding grammar. Communicating in the game itself is a different story, but it's difficult to take somebody seriously on the wiki if they frequently make the same grammatical/spelling errors. 15:16, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Chess really summed it up, that and there is no need for another admin. 15:57, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Not Yet - I disagree with the fact that we do not need additional sysops at this time. We have a lack of sysops! Sentra is an exceptional contributor to this wiki, and I trust that he would use the tools well. However, he has not achieved much as of now. I would like him to achieve more, then I would support. 21:57, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you please elaborate on what you mean by achieve/achievements? - 00:01, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * See here. In the nomination, I have listed several achievements that LDP has done. I have not seen anything significant works by Glenn, but I will support if you can show me something. 02:15, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Support - While many editors will stand by their "no need for another sysop" argument, I believe in this case, it is somewhat invalid. With many of the current Eastern Hemisphere sysops gone or partially inactive, this time zone is in need of a local, active editor to help with all tasks sysop. Stealing more of the fuel for the "no need for another sysop" argument, by looking at the number of sysops in general, the RuneScape Wiki has a much greater ratio of editors to admins compared to other Wikis, however looking closer there is a superfluous amount of sysops based in the peak US and UK times whilst other times are less well served; by using a blanket assumtion that there are enough sysops, it is preventing great editors like Sentra from helping where the Wiki needs more sysops. Sentra is a very active and trustworthy editor, who can be trusted with the tools to better service the Eastern Hemisphere. Another opposition point raised is that Sentra is not a particularly active CVU reporter, well, thanks to his geographical location, the amount of vandals available to be reported is greatly lessened, as the bulk of vandals operate in Western Hemisphere. As a result, it would be better to look at proportions, the percentages out of the total vandals warned or reported by Sentra. This figure is somewhat high, with a large minority of vandals being warned, while the remainder are warned by myself and others editing in this time. I hope you all consider the different situation in this RfA and understand it is not the same as the others. 00:12, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I really don't want to argue anything on this RfA, but I can't not comment after seeing this position. The fact that we have fewer Australian sysops is irrelevant. The only scenario in which that would become a factor is when we have vandals running amok and vandalizing every page they come to because of the lack of an active sysop to block. Since that has not been the case, we have enough sysops to cover any vandals that have come by. I know several sysops who are active at least part-time during the Eastern Hemisphere hours, and between them they cover that time zone.
 * As you have said, there are far fewer vandals at that time, so we need far fewer sysops to manage them. The number that we have is sufficient for such purposes. 00:16, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that we have a number of sysops serving part-time in the time zone is part of the point. This patchwork of sysops is a band-aid over a greater problem with it solution right here. We cannot guarantee that this flimsy patchwork of sysops working late or very early will be available at all times; I myself have seen multiple times when no active sysops were available for a excessively long duration of time. By giving the tools to Sentra, we can overcome this problem. 00:23, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * this is the moment we need Sentra the most: Vandalism at Mithril dragon and the Draconic visage  but the problem is: he doesn't have admin tools. there really needs to be an admin who patrols at those times, as there was a gap of 30min now. What did ppl say about enough admins? 04:01, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * OMFG 30 minutes. There will always be times when no sysops are on, and Sentra becoming one won't change that. 04:03, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * If vandals want, they can give rc patrollers a hard time. Those two could as well have vandalised every minute, resulting in 60 vandalist edits. If there would have been an admin he could have immediately stopped it. 04:10, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said-there will always be times when nobody is on. And they "could" have vandalized every minute, but they didn't. 04:12, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Special:Lockdb (Wikia Staff only) and Special:ProtectSite can be done by one of the Wikia staff members, Volunteer Spam Task Force members, or helpers. Remember, not only sysops have blocking power. 04:33, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I have no objection to this user obtaining the tools. Not much more to ad. 04:33, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Any user who opposes this because he has no need for the tools should read Dtm's comment here. 04:38, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sigh. And I will mention that it's a horrible way to move forward for the wiki. If we assume Dtm's far-reaching interpretation of RfA's, it will be a return to the old days when RfA's were handed out like candy. We've had too many administrator abuses back then; see here. I would prefer to prevent that by making the wiki more streamlined and not engorge in a large excess of administrators. 13:29, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * We already have a large excess of sysops in sysop:non-sysop ratio. No sense making it worse for someone who doesn't really need the tools.   17:07, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just have to point this out while we have a large sysop:non-sysop ratio is the western hemisphere we don't have a large ratio in the eastern hemisphere timezones. 06:50, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose For several reason, but the one I will mention here is giving vandal warnings to almost certain non vandals. People making most likely good faith edits should never be treated as possible vandals. User_talk:125.255.3.50 is the most recent example of many instances of this behavior.--Degenret01 08:29, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * : / He does do that a lot. But his warnings arent always like that. Mostly he educates anons on wiki policies and the style guide so it isnt continued. - 08:35, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * That template says at the bottom "If this is you, please log in and edit your page." It's a info template, not a "you're a vandal" template. 08:52, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * ^, and examples of "other instances", please? 08:53, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * That template says at the bottom "...any other edits will be considered vandalism...". If I was a 13-15 year old using a wiki for the first time I would assume I am about to be blocked. And check his history 222, he has used it several times on an IPS page whom most likely was a forgot to log in user. And in all practicality it IS a vandal template. I repeat, "...any other edits will be considered vandalism...". If one wants to educate someone they will do so without trying to scare them. That template is very heavily overused, and not just by Sentra.--Degenret01 09:03, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we should split it then. 09:10, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why do we have that template then, because I can not think of any other time when it should be used, why don't we just run a rfd on it? 09:22, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's fair to hold it against Sentra for using a template. 00:00, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Sentra is most of the most logical and helpful contributors to this wiki. He is very active in the yew grove and all around the wiki. I don't see how adding Sentra adding to the sysop list could cause any harm because there is no doubt in my mind that he would not abuse his powers. (Hopefully one day there will be somebody that checks the requests for deletion/merging more often. :/) 10:35, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Weak support - You're a good editor, and I see that you have to potential to make good use of the administrative tools, but I don't know if you will really use them that often. 16:48, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Saying he has the potential suggests he could be a good admin, that's not what we need. We need people who will be good admins. 20:19, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hence the weak support. You truly cannot say if someone will definitively be a good admin; you have to extrapolate. 01:21, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes you can, look at the editors to have become sysops. They didn't have the potential because they were already great editors. The tools just helped them in their every day work. 08:04, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Adding a little to my oppose - Another reason that I realized is that Sentra does not seem to have the best understanding of vandalism. As Degen pointed out, Sentra has given warnings on numerous occasions to those who do not need them. Consequently, I have reservations for how Sentra will act when faced with a vandal. The decision to block is not something that can be taken lightly, and it requires a strong judgment call over what is a blockable offense and what is not. Sentra's actions in this regard have done little to inspire confidence for his countervandalism judgment. 22:08, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * As i said before the DEU was because they edited userpages. The other one would be GEMW1 when they updated incorrectly although i have stopped using that one and now write a message. 07:56, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you hate it so much, liquid, here is the RfD. 13:37, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Nothing to argue against this guy getting the tools. 22:34, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Even after reading over your answers to the questions above, I don't have a good idea of why you would need the tools. It seems that you are telling us "Sure, If I get the tools, I'll do admin stuff." Who wouldn't? I want to see an answer that shows a need. Admin tools should be given to users who demonstrate a need for the tools before they have them, not users who argue that they will use them after receiving them. -- 20:37, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know where you are getting that from. What I wrote is that I will block vandals and do other maintenance things like deleting pages/files. The deleting and blocking are the main 2 things I will use if this rfa passes. And the main reason I think I could use the tools a lot is because there is a very low number(1-3) of active sysops. 08:00, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you feel that it is your duty to argue this oppose. 13:47, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't feel that it is my duty to argue this, I just wanted to clear up what i was saying I would use the tools for as he either didn't understand what I was saying when I answered the question or he probably just misunderstood what I was trying to say. 06:08, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Although he is a nub, he would be pretty good as an admin. I don't see want this 'aussie time' thing has to do with the price of potatoes... 08:53, November 10, 2010 (UTC)