Talk:Meg

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The page says that it is for skills required for player owned portals but are under 90; that isn't true, I received a hunter lamp.

Discussion on Lamp Rewards
In my reward box was a couple thousand coins and a small? lamp (it was grey). She expressed that she was sorry because apparently I gave her bad advice. (It's weird that she would apologize for my mistakes!) Anyway, the lamp gave me ~17k xp in Runecrafting. I have 99 Runecrafting, and 90+ in all skills. It is a shame that the reward couldn't have been in a skill that wasn't already 99. For example, I only have 93 Thieving. 03:20, December 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I apparently didn't help her much either, but I got around 8k coins and a medium Hunter lamp, which awarded me around 12k Hunter xp. I did add small and medium lamps to the list of rewards and I added a little snippit to the end of the description where it claims the lamps give xp in POP-specific skills. I just wanted to clear things up that the lamps aren't limited to just those few skills. Wisemeat (talk) 03:45, December 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * i gave her good advice i got 19,700 coins and a large slayer lamp 01:25, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just a theory, but could it be that she gives a small lamp for none correct, medium for one correct, large for two correct and huge for all correct? Sundays211 (talk) 01:33, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I also got hunter xp.  But wiki does not list that we can get hunter xp as a reward.  - Robertsmom 70.24.207.206 03:35, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion about correct answers
Are we going to post all her questions and the correct answers for max exp?

Personally I just answered her whatever seemed the most accurate to me and got a 21k Fishing lamp.

Tallibear (talk) 14:39, December 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking that there is a 'best' answer, and so we just need to figure them out. We can start by listing all the questions (and possible answers) that we get and eventually we will be able to work out which answer is the best. I made a section and I think now that it's there, users will start to fill it in. We may have to wait until the next week before we get updates, which is fine. 17:38, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I also want to note that I got some repeat questions the second week and I'm unsure if this is because I got it wrong the first week or if I just randomly got it again. I know I got some wrong the first week because I only received a small lamp as a reward. Also, some of my questions had four possible answers, while some had only three choices. I thought that the first week all of mine had four choices, so I'm wondering if the repeat question had eliminated the answer that I used last week because it wasn't the right answer. I wish I could remember better. 17:38, December 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * My question is about the demon fish. 4 answers.
 * 1)start small
 * 2)be calm and don't panic
 * 3)make sure rod is secure
 * 4)why not ask for help (selected this)
 * fastest way to tranvel. 3 answer.
 * I selected go by foot
 * pick door 3 answer
 * I selected use good lock pick
 * report result tomorrow


 * Hi! I think this is a great idea but we must be POSITIVE about the correct answers. The only way to be 100% sure that the answers are correct is to have her not say anything about any of your advice being bad when you collect your rewards.


 * For example, Day 1 you answer the questions and record your answers.
 * Day 2 you collect your rewards, and listen to what she says. If she says something like "Most of the advice you gave me was great! There were only a few small problems..." DISCARD your answers. The only way we can be positive is if she doesn't say anything about problems.


 * N1ghtshade3 (talk)
 * That's great guys, and I've figured something out; every question, there are 3 or 4 available answers. I found out that she has quite 3 different responses (something along this line):
 * ~ "WOW! This is great! I haven't thought of that, I will definitely try that!" (With her head moving as she's shouting) - this is possible the best.
 * ~ "That seems right, I will surely try that next time. (being neutral) - average
 * ~ "Hmm...That seems pretty weird thing to do, but you're the expert, I'll try that." (being pretty much sad) - bad
 * ~ "Hmm...That seems pretty weird thing to do, but you're the expert, I'll try that." (being pretty much sad) - bad


 * I think we can define the correct response by these, or just by posting all the questions and the answers we get. Tallibear (talk) 12:40, December 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree that we need to get more data. In addition, for now we're better off just listing the answers and maybe note any obviously incorrect ones. As is, we're presenting wild guesses in many cases. Does there need to be a data gathering page or table?


 * (My first week did not go well but I didn't record questions and answers. Here's what I gave for week 2:
 * How to get a baby squirrel pet? Answers (a) be patient and use more than one net. (b) Be careful, they can scratch. (c) Try to catch one with a hawk. (d) deadfall traps work better than nets. Answered (a) and got an enthusiastic response.


 * How to enchant a sword with runes? Answers (a) go to wizard's tower; (b) you'll need an enchantment spell; (c) enchanting doesn't work that way. Answered (c) and got a very tepid response.


 * I might get some loot from scurvy seadogs. How to carry it off? Answers (a) Take the most valuable pieces; (b) get a big, sturdy bag; (c) don't be greedy, take what you need. I answered (b) per the page but suspect the best answer is (a). Response was medium.
 * Haystacks (talk) 03:13, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

The way she reacted to the answers you gave seems to have nothing to do with the result, I got 100% this week with fairly mixed facial expressions from her. Jagex named me Able Tis (talk) 03:15, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm really starting to think the answers you give don't actually make any difference.--Big Bouffant (talk) 06:12, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like the experiment about reactions and will ignore them next time. Big Bouffant, I hope that [answers don't make a difference] isn't the case. That would be very lazy on Jagex part.


 * People who are putting things like "If this option doesn't appear, try X option" - Surely that would mean that any answer that doesn't always appear is incorrect? Or are we now taking this to mean that there can be more than one "best" answer? MenaphosRS (talk) 11:35, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sometimes the answers may be ambiguous but other times some are clearly right and others clearly wrong. In my squirrel question today, "have patience and use more than one net" is good, correct game advice, but so are the comments about nuts and the suggestion to "make sure you have a good summoning level". On the other hand, if she wants a live squirrel pet (not a zombie one), neither hawks nor a deadfall trap is a good way to catch one.
 * Haystacks (talk) 06:30, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Last week I went to Meg and opened Rs wiki, and answered all the questions, while looking in rs wiki, and choosing "correct" answers. Today I went to meg, and all I got was small xp lamp... Your information guys is really not correct. Pupicucek (talk) 12:19, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right, that's why there are liberal disclaimers and a topic below for people to record results. The problem is that it takes a week to get feedback and even then, if you didn't get a small lamp (presumably: all wrong) or a huge lamp (presumably: all right) it's like a very slow game of Mastermind.
 * You can help by recording your answers each week and then the result, then adding data to this discussion page. That would be particularly beneficial if you had either the small or huge lamps.
 * Haystacks (talk) 02:26, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Not random lamps
After being able to get Meg for another time, I believe that the lamp is just based in whatever skill she asked for guidance in. The previous 2, she asked about combative advice, and because of those I recieved Slayer lamps. This week, she asked for Thieving advice, which I could assume is for a thieving lamp. Also, I could be wrong based off the short amount of time, but it may be that she only asks for guidance in the 6 main skills that are needed to get into the Player owned ports, which would make sense. Just some theorys on that, if anyone else has a similar case, then I assume that what I said is correct. 67.173.89.158 01:50, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, this week I receieved a Thieving (opening locked doors), Hunting (insects) and Summoning (pet squirrel). I'll have to see which lamp I get next week to see if your theory is correct. I wonder if anyone has actually received a lamp outside of the six port skills; if not your theory could be more likely Sundays211 (talk) 02:18, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * In the discussion above, someone mentions getting a Hunter lamp. Also, I answer mostly Runecrafting questions last week, but I got a large prayer lamp as a reward. 03:01, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Got a prayer lamp, didn't say anything related to prayer. Jagex named me Able Tis (talk) 03:20, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Stepping away to re-answer
So I decide to step away from Meg after the first question to try out her responses to the different answers. You can actually answer at least the first two and step away without any of the answers being recorded. I tested to see what her responses were to the different answers and found out that there isn't a patten. I was choosing the same answer to the question over and over and got pretty much all of her responses: "That doesn't seem quite right. Are you sure?" "That's brilliant!" "Great. I'll keep that in mind." My point is that watching her responses is not a good indicator of if your answer is correct. Also - the answers change order each time. I didn't see any patterns with it. 03:18, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

I had the same experience with this week's reward, got divergent responses to my answers but got 100% reward. Jagex named me Able Tis (talk) 03:27, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Recording Questions and Answers -
No chatter here, just put your questions and the answers you gave, and when you get the reward a week later UPDATE your post with Meg's response.

Week 3 (19th-26th):

Q) She wants to know how best to start Runecrafting. A) Goblins drop talismans.

Q)  She is trying to enchant her sword, but it doesn't seem to work. A) Go to Wizard's Tower

Q) She asks if you if you have any ideas for dealing with magical traps. A) Study them, it'll come back to you.

Prize:  Large Hunter experiance lamp and 19k coins.

Meg: "Oh, it was amazing. I followed your advice and - while I did encouter a few problems - I prevaild."

Week 4 (26th-2nd):

Q) "So, I want to prove that I have what it takes to be an adventurer - you know, to get the job done. I realised that I'm going to need to get my hands dirty and show off my thieving skills. So I figured, what a better way than to infiltrate the Thieves' Guild in Lumbridge?" '''A) Accept any "job" that the guild offers you. (I think, couldn't find this question on the page)'''

Q) "Any General tips on being stealthy? I want to sneak my way past some rather scary looking people." A) Keep to the shadows and cover yourself in dark colours.

Q) "What's the best food to hunt for in the wild?" A) Fish

Prize: Large Prayer experiance lamp and 34k coins

Meg: "Oh, it was amazing. I followed your advice and - while I did encouter a few problems - I prevaild."

Week 5 (2nd-9th):

Q) " Okay, so I was speaking to this wise old adventurer in the Poison Arrow Pub the other day - scary place... and he told me the tale of El Piskay the Demon Fish of the River Lum.  So I am going to catch it!  Although I'm not so good with water... or fish... or fishing rods... Any advice?" 'A) Make sure the rod is secure. '

'''Q) "I want to cross terrain faster. What animals are safe to ride?" A) I'd stick to going on foot. '''

'''Q) "I may have upset a few people. What's a good way of dealing with an angry mob?" A) Get homeground advantage. '''

Tallibear (talk) 11:33, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Baby squirrel pet question. Answer given: Be patient and use more than one net.

How to enchant a sword with runes. Answer given: Enchanting doesn't work that way.

Seadog's loot question: Answer given: Get a big sturdy bag.

I received a Medium XP lamp (presumption: one correct answer). I think the answer to the baby squirrel pet question was correct and the other two were wrong.

"Haystacks"

98.207.64.80 09:52, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Q: ''I'm hoping to adventure in Lumbridge, but I'm a little concerned about how to deal with the goblin population. Any pointers? 'A: Goblins are fairly weak. Just be brave.'''

Q: ''I was... erm... working on opening doors that, strictly speaking, I don't have the keys for. Can I pick your brain? 'A: Locate alternative entrances.'''

''Q: I've found a waterfall I need to scale down. What's the best thing to do?'' A: Tie a rope to the top to control your descent.

Result: That did not go as well as expected. I'm sorry but I couldn't get the loot that I intended. (12,510 gp and a medium RC lamp) Nothing special here. (talk) 00:25, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing special here. (talk) 01:00, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Last week:

"...Any tips on how to deal with a rune golem?". Answer chosen: "I think your 'friend' may have tricked you".

"What's the best armour to wear while exploring?" Answer chosen: "Something that provides year round protection."

"I heard there's a cup that never runs out of water. I was wondering if I could use that to my advantage" Answer chosen: It could keep you hydrated in the desert.

Result: Medium XP lamp (presumption: one correct answer). I think the answer to the cup of water question was correct and the other two were wrong.

Haystacks (talk) 02:29, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Found the following in the runescape forums (quick-find code 98-99-978-64145750, post by "ScrptdChaos"). I'm reposting here because the poster reports a huge lamp which should mean three correct answers, and this should be the most useful data. However, this is second-hand, so I can't vouch for it. I have however updated the answer list to include the answers below, with the qualifier "allegedly confirmed".


 * Okay, so I went to Lumbridge and I noticed the vast wealth difference between the Duke and his subjects and I just thought 'why?'. I mean its not like he needs all of that wealth. So, I am going to break into the castle and steal from his treasury to give to the poor locals.

Q - Erm...any idea how I would go about doing that?

A - A disquise is always useful

Q - So, I was planning on making a canoe and sailing to some of the wilder places downriver. Tell me, what's the best wood to use?

A - Try Oak, Sturdy and not too expensive

Q - I dont like insescts. Any idea how to protect against them?

A - When in a tent, cover the gaps with netting.

Received a Huge Runecrafting Xp lamp and 49,500 gp's.

Haystacks (talk) 19:46, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Q: Well, I've been planning an expedition into the heart of the Lumbridge swamps, as a friend of mine told me that he's found a cavern full of something called a 'rune golem'. It only cost me 1000 gold - a bargain! Do you have any tips on how to deal with a rune golem?

Q: I want to bind an elemental to serve me. Any ideas? Q: I want to train an animal to help me. What would you recommend? GVytautas (talk) 12:15, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) You're an idiot, meg.
 * 2) You need to find better friends. --> Hrm... Are you sure? Wait, of course you're sure, you know your stuff! Thanks for the advice!
 * 3) Scout out the area first.
 * 4) I'll tell you for 1000 gold...
 * 1) Try and bargain with one, rather than bind it --> Gotcha! Thanks. One more...quick thing?
 * 2) Use the opposite element to control one.
 * 3) Leave that to the Wizards' Tower.
 * 1) Birds have a great range of travel. --> Okay, that's everything. I can do it... With your advice, I can brave the terrors that await me. Wish me luck.
 * 2) Ferrets can fit through small gaps.
 * 3) Dogs are loyal and have great noses.

''Okay, so I wanted to improve my connection to the divine powers and I thought Lumbridge would be a good place to start. Any suggestions?'' There are lots of goblins to get bones from.

''I've found a waterfall I want to scale down. What's the best thing to do?'' Tie a rope to the top to control your descent.

''So, I was planning on making a canoe and sailing to some of the wilder places downriver. Tell me, what's the best wood to use?'' Just use one of the trees at the canoe station.

Nothing special here. (talk) 00:35, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Week5 (2nd-9th)

Questions: Chickens, canoes, waterfalls.

Answers: Throw a rock at them, use oak, tie a rope to the top.

Result: "Oh, it was horrible, I barely escaped with my life! I must have got your advice all mixed up" with a small XP lamp. [Presumably means all three answers were wrong]

Comment: Those three answers are all listed as the only possible corect answer in their respective sections in the article, and yet all three of them appear to be incorrect. I don't know what to make of it. I haven't edited the article because I don't know why the answers are the only one listed, as if the others have been ruled out? Clokwerk o (talk) 03:14, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Use oak is listed as having alternate answers. I know because I added that (based on hearsay data) but I *don't* delete answers without clear evidence that they are wrong. At this point I wonder if either our data is very bad (read: sloppy) or there's some randomness (so that you can give Meg the right answers and still get an imperfect result, or vice versa. In any case, you should feel free to add any answers that you have evidence can give a good result. I think people should be more careful about deleting answers - it would be better to add a note like '(bad result)' or '(small lamp)' after an answer that you doubt.Haystacks (talk) 04:02, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Last week (2nd-9th)

Q: "Infiltrate the Thieves' Guild"

A: Accept any 'job' offers that the guild offers you.

Q: "I want to bind an elemental to serve me. Any ideas?"

A: Leave that to the Wizards' Tower.

Q: "dealing with an angry mob"

A: Get yourself the homeground advantage.

Result: Large XP Lamp (presumption: 2 correct answers).

Haystacks (talk) 03:25, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Result: small lamp. Stewbasic (talk) 06:01, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * "technique called runecrafting" => kill goblins for a talisman
 * "cup that never runs out of water" => keep you hydrated in the desert
 * "bind an elemental" => use demonic magic

Format of questions
We seem to have started the page by rephrasing every question in the form "She wants to...". People have also been paraphrasing the questions. I think we'd be better served by keeping the questions as close as possible to the original wording. I'd prefer adopting Meg's first person wording but it's possible to change every thing to "She wants to..." while retaining as close as possible the exact wording of her questions.

This is relevant because the more the question wording is edited, the harder it is to find the question when going through the list, either because you are a reader looking for the right answer or a contributor looking to add to the list. I just removed one clear duplicate and reshuffled so that another pair which I'm 95% certain is a dupe are adjacent.

Haystacks (talk) 13:42, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Using exact wording seems like the best natural choice, especially when this page will be used only by people looking for the right answer; so they will be able to press Ctrl + F and look for Meg's exact wording.

I suggest we all start replacing old formatting with exact quote of Meg, using the quotations marks, so we know what's a quote and what's not.

Tallibear (talk) 14:53, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Evidence Change
So i made a little change to a dialogue in the table.. here is evidence of the change that it is correct. http://i49.tinypic.com/nmly0w.jpg

Going4Quests (talk) 01:14, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Inefficient
Dose anyone else find it kind of strage that we as experienced adventures would recommend some of these activities at all? She asked me about killing goblins who would bothers with killing goblins surely you would start on Cows/Chickens/Giant Rats which are all better GP & drop raw food that can be cooked to prolong your trip. I'd be telling her not to bother with goblins unless it's needed for a quest. We should be recommending effecient methods for someone of a low level.

Also they don't seem to be based from a new advertures point of view. As someone who was killed by the first goblin I attacked I wouldn't be saying there fairly weak from a new players point of view the goblins are probually the first NPC to kill most people.

Please Check for Redundancies When Adding/Editing
Today I Combined two separate pairs of redundant entries. In each case, the two rows of the table had identical questions and different suggestions for answers.

Please search the table before editing! This is true whether you're adding a new question and suggested answer or simply just correcting the question text for something that was there previously. In this case I suspect that latter was the problem -- there were two earlier table rows with incorrectly paraphrased questions, and two later table rows with correctly transcribed questions. It's good that someone added the correct text but it doesn't really make the wiki page better if that leaves you with two rows with the identical question...

Haystacks (talk) 02:42, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Mark answers "confirmed" or "perfect adventure"
Suggestion: When we confirm an answer (typically when the adventure is perfect and a huge XP lamp is awarded), it makes sense to mark the answer as confirmed. So far one poster has been doing this my adding the label "(perfect adventure)" after the selected response. I've added "(reportedly confirmed)" after other answers that I don't have first-hand knowledge of. (One was found in a page in the official rs forums, the other was from comments made when the poster added the answer to this page.)

Also, I think it's still up in the air whether there can be more than one possible correct answer to a given question. I think this is likely, given responses I've seen to the pet squirrel question. So I suggest not removing answers unless you have clear evidence they are not correct. This would typically be when you gave that answer and got a Small lamp as a result, or possibly if that answer appeared with another known correct answer.

Haystacks (talk) 21:12, January 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * You are assuming that a given answer will always be correct, which I guess is probably the case. However it's also possible that you need to pick the "best" answer out of a bunch that have been randomly selected. In that case, an answer that works one week may fail the next week if it appears with a better answer. Bronzedagger (talk) 04:44, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * What's more, we are assuming that a small lamp implies all answers were definitely suboptimal, and a huge lamp implies all were definitely optimal. There could be some randomness too; that is, 3 correct answers might increase the chance of a huge lamp but not guarantee it, and conversely there might be a chance of getting a huge lamp without all answers being correct. Until we sort this out, it might be better to focus on recording the 3 answers and reward for as many players as possible. Stewbasic (talk) 05:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree about both of the above possible explanations; a third is that people are just misrecording their answers. I've seen at least one case where one person reported a huge lamp with a set of three answers, and someone else reported a small lamp with one of the same answers. (Though I never liked that particular answer...). Does anyone have any suggestions on how best to gather info? Something a bit more organized than free form typing on this discussion page seems good but I'm not sure how that would be managed...Haystacks (talk) 06:06, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Question table suggestion
I'm wondering whether it would be helpful to have the table with extra colums showing her answers; in apparant order of best to worst, then inserting her answers depending on the response: Once a decent number were collected in this form it would be easier to start comparing lamps to answer type, and it would make it easy to look along the row and pick the best available answer from the options she actually gives on each occasion.

Cloud Shaper (talk) 18:12, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Except that her immediate response to your answer seems to be meaningless - if you end the dialogue and talk to her again, she will give a different response to the same answer. We need to record the three answers and the corresponding reward 1 week later. But I agree with finding a more efficient way to do this. It'd be good to first compile a complete list of questions and possible answers (correct or not). Stewbasic (talk) 21:38, January 9, 2013 (UTC)