Talk:Prayer

Vanity edit keeps being undone
There seems to be a person quite interested in having a name in the hall of heros or something, because I keep removing it from the trivia section and he/she keeps re-adding non-relevant info there (who has 200M xp in prayer first. WTH?). Can anyone help with this?-- 19:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

steel skin
Does it work as defence against every kind of combat style (so will it reduce chance of getting hit by range and magic as well)?
 * Yes, but not as well against magic or ranged as against melee - I remember reading somewhere that magic/ranged defence is 20% down to your defence level, and 80% down to your magic level, so I'd guess it applies to prayer bonuses too (therefore the actual defence boost for magic/ranged is about 3%). 18:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

minimum exp
Is there a point of stating the minimum exp to be ranked, that will never be accurate it would change almost constantly, Saying lvl 44 would suffice enough for people? Moshkin Khan 20:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Using jobs to train
Sorry for the terrible format of the edit on this subject. Just wanted to say that there may be better people to use than the prayer tutor as she does occassionally ask for bones to be burried which take time. I don't have time myself to check this out but someone might want to. I would also apprieciate it if someone would reword the addition to the main page, thanks, serenity1137

Colour
No offense intended at all to Hyenaste, but I think those colours in the table look just awful. Can we please stick with standard wiki styling?

I personally think the colors draw your eye.Please remember to sign ^_^. (Jdogy15 03:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC))

Drain Rates
I collected all this raw data on how long it takes different prayers to use certain amounts of prayer points. These were all done with no prayer bonus from armor. Most of the times are how long it took to use 10 prayer but there are a couple of exceptions. I'm going to calculate how long each takes to drain 1 prayer and put those in the prayer articles now. --Wowbagger421 22:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * thick skin 10 prayer 1:54
 * burst of str 10 prayer 1:58
 * clear thought 10 prayer 2:02
 * sharp eye 10 prayer 2:13
 * mystic will 10 prayer 2:12
 * rock skin 10 prayer 1:05
 * super str 10 prayer 1:01
 * imp reflex 10 prayer 1:02
 * rapid restore 5 prayer 2:50
 * rapid heal 10 prayer 3:03
 * protect item 10 prayer 3:02
 * hawk eye 10 prayer 1:00
 * steel skin 10 prayer 0:30
 * protect melee 50 prayer 2:30

i think most of the drain rates posted in the article are wrong, the game "ticks" every .6 seconds, and thats when it will drain prayers, so all the prayer consumption should be in .6's not 1/10s of a second Masterx3829 13:22, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

A questions and a comment
1, When did the new prayers get added?

Also, the picture at the top of the page is now out-dated. Tesfan 15:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I changed it. =] but unfortunately that prayer is only 19 lol XD-- talk 16:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The new prayers Piety and Chivalry got added with the King's Ransom quest. 16:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Dragonfire
Will protect from prayer negate fires spit out by dragons? Eduhello (who forgot to sign)
 * I assume you mean "Protect from Magic" prayer. The dragon fire is not a magic attack but a real flame. So it is not protected by the prayer. 09:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

If oyu protect from Magic, dragonfire can be protected from, but it cannot be used in conjuction with an antifire shiled to provide full immunity. JaGeX announced they fixed this bug but apparently they havent. You can test this by "no-iteming" and fighting a green dragon. The message " your prayer protects you from the dragons breath" Should appear. -- Eggman2099 :-)

The formula
(That is, here.) Since when did protect-from prayers reduce damage 'received'? Hasn't it always been prayer reduces the likelihood of receiving damage - i.e. raises defence against that combat style?
 * If it does reduce damage (not increase defence) then a few articles need to be changed (to include this fact, since only a few armours reduce damage taken). 22:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Erm. As i understand it from the very runescape site, the "Protect from xxx" series does reduce damage and does not affect the likelyhood of being hit (when it comes to player vs player combat). Just read it from This Runescape Official site link ;) -- 19:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It does indeed reduce damage. Think about games like Fist of Guthix where while standing at the center of the area the defence of the hunted is virtually zero. With and without prayer they will be hit everytime, however with the prayer they will survive much longer.--Tharkon 22:43, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Individual pages for prayers
Is it truly necessary to have an individual article for each prayer? Isn't the exact same information provided in this main article?

Another thing; the "drain rate" values and the formula for it is just overall confusing.

--Uular 03:05, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, per RuneScape:Granularity.
 * Which bit of the drain rate/formula part is confusing you? 17:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * "Each point of prayer bonus adds 3.33333% (or 10%/3) seconds to the drain rate. "
 * Firstly, what the hell is "3.33333% seconds"? 1/30 of a second? 3.333 seconds?
 * "For example, with a +15 prayer bonus, Protect from Melee, with a drain rate of 1 point every 3 seconds, will instead drain 1 point every 4.5 seconds, as a +15 prayer bonus will slow the drain rate by 50%."
 * Wait, how did you come up to that? Oh um... 3+3*(15*(1/30))? Well that makes sense... But why? What? Slows the drain rate by 50%? No, by a third.
 * My suggestion: The part about prayer bonus<->Drain rate section should be clarified with a better example, showing an actual formula of calculation your drain rate.
 * --Uular 19:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. I reworded that paragraph to:
 * "Each point of prayer bonus slows the drain rate by 3⅓% of the prayer(s) rate. For example, if a player uses Protect from melee with a prayer bonus of 0, their prayer points will drain at a rate of 1 point every 3 seconds. If that player then equips armour giving a prayer bonus of +15, the drain rate of protect from melee is slowed by 3⅓%×15=50%, so the drain rate becomes 3+(3×50%)=4.5, that is 1 point per 4.5 seconds.


 * "A prayer bonus of +30 halves the drain rate of prayers - i.e. prayer points will last twice as long."
 * I think that's a little clearer; hope you agree. 20:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just cobbled together a genral formula aswell: "prayer drain rate × (1 + (3⅓% × prayer bonus))" 21:01, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Good job there! The term prayer drain rate however is unclear on what it actually means, as the prayer table lists the drain rates in the form 1 point per x seconds. It should be made clear to readers, exactly which value they should input when calculating their drain rate; aswell as which form the output is in. --Uular 21:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Done! and I added an equals sign to the equation. Glad to be of assistance =] 21:24, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * How about "prayer drain rate × (1 + [prayer bonus] / 30)" this takes the percentage out and gives the same effect but its simpler --Masterx3829 14:11, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the formula make sense at all, 'cause nothing in RuneScape can happen in intervals that aren't multiples of 0.6 seconds. This has been confirmed by Andrew in the Game Feedback forum and is explained in the article RuneScape clock. --Tharkon 17:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Are the GIFs needed
As I was browsing this page, I noticed a large amount of GIF images, or the animated ones. I don't think that all of them are necessary, but some will help.

Some that should NOT be GIFs: The rest to me are somewhat okay. What does everyone think?-- 20:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Alter praying.
 * Overhead prayers.
 * Grave blessing.
 * I agree. They are not needed. -- 19:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Altar prayer, aggreed. Grave blessing, is already PNG now. Overhead prayers now show all available overhead prayers in one image though, so without animation that would require multiple images, a bigger image or loss of information.--Tharkon 17:01, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Possible new theory on prayer
I have a theory that if you use any of the protect from prayers, your hitpoints stop regenerating while these prayers are being used. Can someone also verify this to be certain? I experienced this problem while fighting jellies, while I was using the protect from melee prayer on Jelly, my hitpoints would NOT regenerate while I was fighting these creatures, yet this took place for several minutes.--71.116.53.127 19:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Tested and proven wrong, something else must have been affecting the healing rate. --Tharkon 17:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

New Book
The new prayer book from temple at senisten should be added. Mage24365 21:58, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Remove the lamps
I feel the lamp section in training should be removed as it is inefficient and slow.--168.156.42.175 18:19, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Impossible
The page states that some prayers depleat at a rate of 2 points/second. This cannot be true because the game ticks at .6 seconds. It is probably 1.8 points/second

--Compdude123 18:38, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

exactly! (i didnt see this till i read rest of page XD) --Masterx3829 13:23, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Controversy over prayer flashing
I'm occasionally faced with criticism when I prayer flash, as many players say "you know, that's against the rules." I admit it's a pretty "cheap" tactic, but is it against the rules? -- 03:54, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Some players make think it's bug abuse, but prayer flashing is not against the rules. (Holy Taquito 03:57, December 21, 2009 (UTC))

Ancient Bones
On the table of bones and experience they give when buried, there arent ancient bones on it. My apologies if there is a reason for this, but just thought id point it out.

Thanks --Unsigned

I think a lot of people don't know about Ancient bones yet, I only learned recently but I already forgot how much exp they give. They probably should be added, with exp, the means to acquire them, the message they are not re-obtainable and the message they cannot be used with exp-boosting methods safe for the Bonus XP weekend.--Tharkon 17:06, May 28, 2010 (UTC)