Talk:Combat pure

Cbp what is wrong with the section "A pure is a player who works solely on certain skills, focusing all their attention to make those skills stronger. However, this leads to a pure having relatively low skills in other areas. Pures fall into two categories: Combat pures and Non-combat pures." -- Couchpotato99 20:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

It is already explained, with more information, in the next paragraph.

You need an introduction at the beginning, something so that people can tell what it is at a glance. -- 20:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Do people still use pures?
Are pures really necessary now that the Wilderness has been changed? Zeldafanjtl 21:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Much more to be said on this subject.
This entry only covers the basics of the common Free Play, low level pure; however, much, much more is to be said about the varioius forms of Pay To Play pures, ranging from the very common level 49 pure ranger to the rare maxed out pures that push level 90. There is also a lot more to be said about pures, the basic techniques used by them, and the current state of them in the wilderness than what the brief explainations of this article provide. Some bits of this article are also a tad outdated (since the writing/last edit of this article, it notes the price of "essence" as 20-30 gp each, whereas now, quite a bit after the pure essence update, pure essence can cap at 100 gp each). Are some major edits in order, or shall we leave the article as it is, and leave it as more of a basic explaination of what a "pure" is?

I added a ton more about p2p pures, and fixed the biased info in a way.

All my edits are rough sketches of accurate information on the topic, and are not in anyway guarenteed to be written effeciently, grammatically correct, or to up to standards. Other users may willingly fix statistical, grammatical, and any other sort of errors that I have expressed, which may or may not mislead the reader.

Written information, by cjgone2, is by no means accurate or correct, but are assumed truthful to cjgone2's knowledge.

~Thanks cjgone2

wtf??
This whole article is f2p biased we need an article on p2p pures which are much more interesting, I don't think any pure would fight in full iron by the way.
 * Please make an account...And they use full iron because they have level 1 Defence and can't wear anything better. That's why I'm changing it back... JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  16:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Same as above ~cjgone2

Criticism
IMO, it's a strikingly dumb strategy to be a pure. I level my combat skills equally, but there was one time I banked all my items and went to explore the wilderness. As was inevitable, some dude with the same combat level as me -- but with the addition of a rune longsword and a bit of armour -- decided to attack me and my character nearly took him out unarmed. He must have had a pathetic defense level for fists to rival a rune weapon.

Being a pure does not make oneself a complete prayer. There are skills beyond pure aggression and it is folly to neglect them. -- 216.16.236.2 06:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Whoever wrote a good majority of this article is..
An idiot who knows nothing about pures. There's no such thing as a 'Pure Warrior'. I tried fixing as much as I could, but there is still mucho work to be done. :| B4rr4g3 You 21:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I made it a little more comprehensive and added links, should the cleanup tag still remain? -- 21:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Twin
Why does "Twin" redirect here? If I typed in Twin I'd be looking for Molly. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 18:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Search "twin" on the Official Forums. It's a player-killing term for two players with a similar name, similar stats etc.
 * So why isn't that in the article? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  07:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll add it then. >_<

Pure nonsense
I started playing just over a month ago. One thing I could never find explained is why someone would want to create a pure. I had to deduct that it was to keep combat level low so that pk'ing people at your combat level would be easy. This article talks about pures but it doesn't give any information about why anyone would ever want to create one.

It's been asked before but I've yet to see someone answer... Is there any reason to create a pure now that pvp is gone?


 * Well first of all you can trick people into dueling you at the Al-Kharid Dueling arena if you have the combat level as them (as long as you don't explicitly scam them) and in addition, if you are a magic pure you have a lower combat level than a "regular" with the same magic level which means it is easier to kill regulars in Fist of Guthix at the same level as you (since they have lower magic) and you can get more ranking and FOG tokens. Even if they're a higher level you may be able to defeat them since other stats don't play that much of a role when you are both using magic (which is usually the case in that minigame).--99.237.222.73 14:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We're a wiki, so we don't have to answer why a person would like to make a pure. If you want an answer, though, then listen to myself. I created one simply because I loved the skill I'm training, and since my main account got extremely boring. It's also an achievement and something to do, whilist occupying myself with other skills when I'm not training that. I just find it really intresting, too see how it effects your combat and the reaction within the community. 17:38, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * We're a wiki, so we don't have to answer why a person would like to make a pure. If you want an answer, though, then listen to myself. I created one simply because I loved the skill I'm training, and since my main account got extremely boring. It's also an achievement and something to do, whilist occupying myself with other skills when I'm not training that. I just find it really intresting, too see how it effects your combat and the reaction within the community. 17:38, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Def pure = wrong info
When talking about hardcore def pures, it says that their max hit is 1. Even without pots, it's possible to hit 2 as long as your str bonus is 43 or higher (def pures can get it to 47).


 * I'm a defence pure, first I'm not "hardcore", secondly - without the effective bonuses, with a Red Topaz Machete which gives the best bonus in strength without improving attack. You hit 17's (Which are 1's now), but you can whittle the health down by using a iron dagger (p++), but this won't give any xp as far as I know since it's not you attacking. So, without pots it's not possible unless you can name the given weapon which provides a +43 bonus on Str, because (I think) there isnt one that exists, unless I've completely wasted my time. Although, I do remember hitting an 18 once. If you've got evidence or proof that an Defence pure can hit 2, then you'll need it, otherwise it's a 1(17/18). My defence level is 60, with 2 strength, 2 attack, so I'm pretty sure I'm right, but if I'm not, correct me. 17:36, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Umm
This page is for discussion of the article itself and how to improve it. Stop discussing whether you think pures are good or not, it's complete spam.

Turned compleete into complete. Void pure 16:26, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Hitpoints pure?
Uhhh... as far as I know, it is absolutely impossible to create a hitpoints pure, probably due to the fact that you cannot level your hitpoints that high while staying at 1 in all other stats. Please, could someone edit this out along with the Summoning / Prayer pures as they are non existent. It is like saying that there is a Purple Flying Hippopotamus in Runescape. User:Mythiko97
 * The release of Soul Wars made it possible? 11:09, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Even so, hitpoint pures are useless, no use having 99 hp if your opponent can land almost every hit and you can barely hit them.--Moneypony 08:42, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

I think it a superb article
Thank you I much enjoyed reading of all these ideas that go into making a pure :) I going to have a go make my lvl 3 quest skiller into f2p mage pure it adds another dimension to this game and I look forward to skilling in PvP then giving would-be pk-ers something to remember me by :) Perduta 02:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Account types
It isn't explained what an "Exodus Pure" is or what he does.. I've never heard of that one. Oh, and maybe every type of pure should have an explanation for each of his stats (e.g. why 67 Attack for a Neitiznot pure and not 70).

Void Pure missing.
I am missing the feared void pures with 42 defense :S

Besides that i think it might be better to make several pages for different pures. Like there are different pages for sapphire rings and emerald rings and ruby rings etc. Void pure 11:17, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Skillers?
Why is there a skillers section in a combat pures article? If it was detailing the various types of pure, sure, but ... it's not. Sathe 19:00, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Anyone who is good with wiki coding
Could they try fixing the account types section, something caused it to put the tables in a separate row instead of 3 in a row which makes it a lot harder to read.--Moneypony 08:42, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Runecrafting pures Missing
I realize that its both a skill / combat skill pure.

But they are out there, and there becomeing more common.

With the 50 runcrafting you can get a talisman staff Which has super low attack but high str bonus (33) for lvl 1 attack.

Making it the obby maul of f2p. So why isnt the rc pure on here?
 * Never heard of it 08:11, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Account types need some work
I tried fixing the problems below summoning pures, but I couldn't really make it work out. I'm not exactly a pro at templates and stuff, but some of the stuff is surely out of place, making it mess up. I didn't wanna mess it up worse, but if someone could look into this it would be awesome. -- 04:23, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

The Hybrid section is HORRENDOUS
It's such an unorganized mess with bits of information uncomfortably spread everywhere in some sort of attempt at categorizing. Does anybody have any ideas for fixing this? I don't wanna try some big reformatting without getting a little mini-census to help me out on the issue.

68.55.53.216 02:56, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Lots of changes
I edited the Defence 10/13 sections to reference white armour, removed that redundant mess at the bottom of the Hybrid section, and cleaned up the account types mentioned as well as fixed the formatting error. And all of that on an iPhone! Lol --Megajosh2 03:57, March 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Made improvements to most subsections in sections 2-4
 * Probably more to come since this article is messy and lacking lots of information in some places

LOTS of changes
I've submitted a number of major edits over the last few days, effectively rewriting the whole Introduction and Overview sections. This was basically an attempt to give the information more structure and objectivity and make it sound less like a patchwork of opinions and biased pseudo-guides written by a bunch of 13-year-olds (sorry, it had to be said). There were considerations about the usefulness of Defence and Prayer in the overview, which I put into a new section (Commonly Suppressed Skills), also adding Constitution. If it is to stay that way, someone should add considerations towards Summoning. I don't feel predisposed for the job, as I am not a member. Possibly the Commonly Suppressed Skills section is too long, I couldn't get it shorter without feeling there was essential information missing.

If the majority of you feel that the "purez OWN!!!1!1!!1111" message doesn't come across strong enough anymore, feel free too change it back to the 13-year-olds' mess it was before. I also think that the rest of the article is badly written and far too long. Do we really need to discuss every possible Defence threshold some kid thought relevant at some stage? (While we're at it, where's Def lvl 60 for (Corrupted) Dragon?) Is it not enough to know that those combat pures that are not Def lvl 1 choose the minimum requirement of their preferred armour as a threshold for Defence? There are many other other issues, I might do some more editing, if my previous edits are excepted, but not within the next few weeks. Myrgan 21:20, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * The entire article is fighting between being a bunch of unorganized guides and being what it should be: an article telling you what a Combat pure actually is. And the defence levels mentioned are the most commonly picked for combat pures. Accounts solely for pking that gain 60 defence and aren't aiming for 70 aren't very common. --Megajosh2 05:20, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Okay this is written very badly! Many parts are... how should I say it... "nooby". This page shouldn't exist. This should be made from a more neutral point of view and so on. I'm not good enough on writin English, so I won't be the one makin the chances, hope someone else will.

Destroyers?
Sounds like a VERY new term to me... The Pandorica will open. 23:08, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think a section for "destroyers" should exist. It sounds to me like someone is just trying to become famous.

A character that I personally know came up with the idea, I am simply letting the rs community know about it's existence so that it can be used to balance the whole g2her thing out


 * I think to be on the article the method has to be well know, not what some one thought of. I could make the Hot Dog method of 99 in all stats against a 10 in all stats but that ain't going on the article. 03:29, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also the source is a site that has thread/articles/ads on the right that encourage rule-breaking and this is very frowned upon here. 03:31, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

The information does not have to be particularly well known, and it is not mine nor A A X A A's responsibility as to what advertisements are on the site. It is out of our control, and the whole point of a wiki is to share information publicly. I apologize for the unexplained edits, I thought that it was just some idiot trying to take the advantage and not let others know about it.
 * Ok fine, but since you are not very familiar with the style of this wiki, i'll take what you put on your talk and make it fit 03:37, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the thing is that the 10def and chainmail part has been put through much testing and it was proven that it decreases the accuracy of the Rune Pures, even if at first it seems like an insignificant change (which is what I thought at first as well) it has been proven to be sufficient. The whole thing about Rune Pures never wearing chainbodies is false. I have seen many Rune Pures with chainmail. But the thing that has to be understood here is that it is an F2P class- there is no P2P version... at least not that I know of. The character that invented it is an F2P only character, causing this type of pure to become an initiate pure if they want to go into members worlds. There is no reason for people to stay with platebodies any longer since they're weak against the g2h's crush attack anyway.
 * Oh man... this destroyer business is getting a bit silly now, I mean, who's ever even heard of one of those? They're just a random class with a random name that some random person originally added to this wiki to try and get famous. I really think that the sections containing information about them should be removed considering what the class actually is. The name doesn't even make any sense! Tank Destroyer, eh? Surely wearing a Black Chainbody while ranging would hinder your accuracy more than the defence bonus is worth, as even a player with the lowest of attack stats would still easily hit though it. This is such a pointless addition to the wiki and just sounds like a range hybrid with 10 defence to me. And by the way, Rune pures never wear chainbodies, even with the release of the Gravite 2H.


 * You are taking RS:G way too far. It is supposed to be quite well-known, there is no point of having something that no-ones having heard of, I'm going to be bold and delete that part. 17:51, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I do not appreciate the vandalism of this section. This section is a valuable discussion for the players of RuneScape. I will not allow this character to delete my friend's work on this class type. If it happens again I will have to report them to administration. GS528194