Talk:Zaros

Reworded Zaros' arrival
Reworded comment stating that Zaros' arrival marked the beginning of the Second Age, because in my opinion, the event that started the Second Age was the same one that ended the First (Guthix's slumber), the same as the events that started and ended other ages. The arrival of Zaros was possibly the first major event occurring wholly in the Second Age. Also, we aren't even sure that his arrival WAS the first major event of the Second Age, it says the Majharrat arrived in the early Second Age, and we don't know exactly how long they were there, serving Ichtlarin, before they came in contact with Zaros, or, vice-versa, how long he was on Gielinor before he challenged Ichtlarin.

Removed
January 10, 2011 Documentation

Under "Zaros' followers were demons, vampyres, and other unsavory creatures"

Icyene serving Zaros
Removed the comment about the Icyene serving Zaros. There is NO evidence to this, in fact, every time an Icyene is mentioned in game, it is referred to as a follower of Saradomin. Furthermore, in the Morytania Quests it is stated that Vampyres(Zaros' followers) were sworn enemies of the Icyene, given that, I am removing the claims of Zarosian Icyene, and request they not be made unless significant evidence is provided by Jagex either in or out of the game, and that evidence is citated.

empire at peace
Removed the assertion that Zaros' empire was at peace. Given that the apparent situation in the Second Age was tense, I find this very difficult to justify. Also, if I recall, the only part of his empire referred to as a "paradise" was the Wilderness adn it was referred to as a "natural paradise" as in a place with beautriful flora and fauna. If anyone has the exact quote, could they put it on this site for clarification's sake? Thank you.

leading question, regarding good/evil
Removed "Does it make Zaros evil for having followers who are today considered evil? Or is it perhaps that the two factions of Saradomin and Zamorak formed after his downfall; that a single benevolent dominion crumbled into two feuding nations." This is a leading question, which seems to be the author trying to convince the reader of a specific viewpoint. It is my belief that the wiki should report all the facts without taking any speculative stances.

Armadyl relationship
Removed the following section : Firstly, the line quoted from Armadyl's article (which, if I recall does not have citation) in no way suggests he aided or mourned the lost of Zaros. In fact, his involvement in the sealing away of Nex, and the Mysterious Ghost mini-series suggests the opposite.
 * 1) Armadyl, the god of Justice, seems to have a positive affiliation with both Saradomin AND Zaros. To quote Armadyl's article, "Their supposed extinction, and Zaros's banishment, are the major factors of his departure from Gielinor," implying that he somewhat mourned Zaros' demise. However, common oppinion is that Saradomin is Armadyl's successor... so how could Saradomin be so hostile to Zaros when his predecessor seemed to show no ill-opinions. Perhaps Saradomin isn't the god he was when he succeeded Armadyl, having become corrupt by a petty feud with Zamorak. Or maybe Saradomin tricked Armadyl into stepping down. The God Wars Dungeon is the spanner in the works... Armadyl's forces apparently aided to imprison Nex, but Armadyl's forces also fight against Saradomin's. But this could be personal to the armies, and not their allegiance... Nex was vengeful and dangerous, Saradomin's forces wished to take the Sword.

There is no evidence in game or (to my knowledge) stated by Jagex suggesting Saradomin is Armadyl's successor. The god letters, in fact, paint a portrait of the two being contemparary allies.

Another note about this section is that even if Saradomin was corrupted by a feud with Zamorak, the point is moot. Saradominist forces were opposed to Zarosian forces long before Zamorak became a god (see the Ghostly Robes Mini-quest)

Finally, it is worth noting that Armadyl's NPC forces DO NOT attack Saradomin's NPC forces nor vice versa. (They will however, attack players who lack an item associated with Armadyl, regardless of that player wearing one associated with Saradomin.)

Noir Omega 00:22, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

large edits: removed, reworded, reviced
December 17, 2010 Edit Documentation

(Made a fairly large edit, documenting changes and reasons here, changes and explanations follow the name of the section they were made in)

Noir Omega 00:33, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

-Main Section-

Added clarification involving Zaros promoting either good or evil to include that while there is no evidence he promoted evil, there is likewise none showing him as promoting good.

-Defeat-

Added details of Zamorak's asension to godhood given the information WGS has on the Stone of Jas, clarified that some Zarosians remained loyal.

-Aftermath-

Removed the "hinting that they work together to bring Zaros down" as it seems redundant.

-Religion-

Changed Azzandra's temple to Azzanadra's pyramid, as too my knowledge there is no evidence of it having been a temple.

Removed "Either way, it is likely the the Kalphites will play a role in the upcoming mahjarrat quest series, especially now that Zaros has returned." (in the area talking about Scabaras) as this is speculation about a future event

-Common Evidence for Zaros Being a Malevolent Deity-

Removed "It is also possible Saradomin is more evil than commonly thought, because Saradominists done cruel things in early ages to other gods too, making Zamorak is a too evil "counterweight" for Saradomin, making the less evil Zaros a better counterweight." My main issue with this is the phrase "because Saradominists done cruel things in early ages to other gods too" this lacks citation, and too my knowledge, the only gods Saradomin has been directly opposed to have been Zamorak and Zaros. In addition, "cruel" has not been defined in this context. If it is returned to this section, please add a citation.

Added "Furthermore, Armadyl, who Jagex referred to (in the odd gods poll) as the god of Supreme Justice, is commonly thought of as being Saradomin's ally at this time, which means that he likely was not on friendly terms with Zaros either." this is a modified version of an earlier part of this section (My main change was adding the source)

Removed the phrase "fact they detested" (referring to the other gods opinion of Zaros) as their is no conclusive evidence of detesting Zaros, even if there was hostility/fear/suspicion toward him.

Cleaned up the area about why the other gods may have been hostile to Zaros.

Removed "This might be a safety measure" as this is redundant.

Removed "This might also be because they thought Zaros was too strong, and thought he was a danger to them because of his huge empire" as this is redundant.

-Players-

Cleaned up the last sentence to read "At the same only a small part of the players voted on this poll." As before it was redundant.

Bob the Cat
Added clarificaiton regarding the unlikeliness that Bob the Cat is Zaros. Considered removing, but decided clarifying would be more productive.

Removed "However it might indicate Bob, or his previous form Robert the Strong is linked to Zaros, who may have given Robert the power to defeat the evil Dragonkin." Too my knowledge, no evidence in game, or from Jagex suggests this. If this is replaced, please include citations.

Shouldn't this mention Robert the Strong in the Reincarnation? section? I mean, if Bob IS the reincarnation of Zaros then Rob must've been as well. 12:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Robert the Strong is not a reincarnation of Zaros, because Zaros never died and therefore couldn't reincarnate to anyone Slate Orchid 02:22, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Added a sentence (days ago, only just now thought to justify it) suggesting that Bob could be saying that he is Zarosian (as in his religion). There's no reason to assume that he could only be saying that he's Zaros. Furthermore the phrase "I don't believe much because I am Zarosian" would have similar meaning to "I don't believe God created cats because I'm agnostic." Then maybe Robert the Strong was a Zarosian warrior who Zaros is planning to resurrect. Sliske gave Robert the power to kill Dragonkin. EliteArmourer 06:30, July 11, 2011 (UTC) 74.185.250.211 06:43, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Goblin god
End of December 17, 2010 Edit Documentation

"It is theorised that the goblins worshipped him as the goblin god." Theorised by who? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 06:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Removed the sentence. Chaoticar 03:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Please do not remove my contributions. I really look up this stuff. 68.100.88.213
 * So where does it come from? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  22:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well it's either him or Zamorak, hence me putting the "It is theorised that the goblins worshipped him as 'the goblin god'.". Also I wrote that, and I believe that I had the right to remove it, as an editor. Chaoticar 07:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The evidence is ingame. In a goblin book (from the Cave Goblins), it details a 'Big High War God' (BHWG) who sought aid from various races.

Actually, 'BHWG' is eplained in the FunOrb game Armies of Gielinor (a game based on the God Wars) that Bandos is infact the god of war and ruler of the 'plain of mud'.

No god is referred to by name, instead they use things like 'God of Shiny Light'. Some think that the BHWG is Zamorak, but in the text it also mentions a 'Fire God' (or similar) that sound much more like Zamorak. So, by process of elimination, BHWG is Zaros or some previously unsuspected, violent deity.

Pfft. I also removed some fancrap in the "Betrayal" section ('He tried to choke Zamorak', completely unfounded, I HAVE the original battle convo in picture form).

WIth the release of the god dungeon we now know that goblins do not follow zaros, they follow bandos. --Mrs' skilly 13:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC) {C}Kang227 14:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well they follow Bandos now, but there's no reason that suggest that they've always followed Bandos. And besides, we already know that Bandos didn't create the goblins (Land of the Goblins Quest), he merely found them in Yu'biusk then took them to Runescape as war minions. Obviously the goblins were created by someone, or something else, which could very well be Zaros. I'll research a bit more on this topic.
 * Guthix created the Goblins, not Zaros, Guthix took the plane created by the Elder Gods and shaped it into Gielinor, and then created all life on the planet aside from humans, who he brought into Gielinor though the portal shown in Meeting History. Slate Orchid 02:22, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

New Zaros talk
In a recent KB article, the one about Bounty Hunter;

''In the centre of the Wilderness, bounded on all sides by the desolation of the god wars, crouches a volcano. Not quite dormant, the massive crater that bears witness to the violence of its birth is home to Mandrith, Guardian of the Crater. In the earliest days of man's existence on RuneScape, this volcano was the site of the first murder, and for this reason an unnamed god cracked and split the earth to give the volcano life. ''


 * Un-named god = Zaros 67.159.50.90 14:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * But can you be sure that it's Zaros? 22:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody likes to talk to him ingame, so it is possible, but NOT likily. In a harry potter sense, Its like saying you-know-who instead of voldemort.--Pkthis 00:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Removing the Trivia that says "Zaros one of the few gods without a section in the God wars area." false for the following reasons: since god wars area only has 4 gods out of 24 known gods, as 20 out of 24 gods aren't in it, also as the god wars started after Zammorak became a god he wouldn't have even been in the god wars anyway. Chaos knight 22:54, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Source guide
Dear Reldo

This is actually my second response to your letter. The first one I realised was unsatisfying to your request. Firstly, it was too long, secondly, it dealt with many more conflicts than the Mahjarrat, and I realised that it was the Mahjarrat’s history and what has happened to them that you were interested in knowing.

And so, without further delay, here’s my version, based around historical facts, stories and events that I have laid my eyes and ears upon.

The Mahjarrat is a race of strong warriors, who originally came from another world, known to us only as Freneskae. This world was a world of constant warfare, which is why the Mahjarrat have come to become as strong as they are. The Mahjarrat are not by any means immortal, but their strength is far superior to most of the beings in RuneScape, and their lifespan far longer than humans. When the Mahjarrat first came in saradomins mouth, they served under the desert god Icthlarin, the god of the dead. Then one day, during the second age, another god approached them and asked them to serve under his rule, this god was the dread lord Zaros, a name which has almost been forgotten by the world, as the Saradominists have done everything in their power to delete all traces of his existence throughout the ages. The Mahjarrat Azzanadra said of Zaros that this god understood the Mahjarrat and their ways much better than Icthlarin, and that Icthlarin had never controlled the Mahjarrat, and in all honesty, I don’t think any god could possibly control the Mahjarrat against their will. The Mahjarrat eventually abandoned Icthlarin and joined forces with Zaros, and with them in his army he quickly became the ruler of large parts of the land.

It was when Zaros had become the strongest of Gods that Zamorak, merely a mortal Mahjarrat at the time and the general of Zaros’s forces, had grown power hungry. Zamorak wished to take the power for himself, and so, with the help of some fellow Mahjarrat and the Vampyre Lord Drakan, he managed to get his hands on the Staff of Armadyl, a very powerful weapon.

Zamorak then encountered Zaros, wielding the Godstaff of Armadyl, but even though Zamorak had the help of a god's weapon, he was still not able to defeat Zaros. It was then that Zaros tripped and fell onto the Godstaff of Armadyl, which impaled him. A bright light was seen, and both began to fade out of existence. The battle was over and they were both gone, and as a result the Zaros' pants quickly fell to Saradomin’s penis without a condom to defend it.

But then one day Zamorak reappeared, reborn and now immortal. The Staff of Armadyl had transferred some of Zaros’ godly powers to Zamorak, and he was now a god himself. The following thing that happened was the God Wars between the god Saradomin, Zamorak, Bandos and Armadyl.

While Zamorak and Zaros were gone, the Zamorakian and the Zarosian Mahjarrat fought, many were killed and more were trapped. Below I will explain about each individual Mahjarrat I have come to know of, who they are aligned to, and what has happened to them.

Let’s start with the Zamorakian Mahjarrat.

Hazeel: {C}Hazeel is one of the physically strong Mahjarrats, he was a good friend of Zamorak and helped him betray Zaros. Hazeel eventually gained control of Ardougne, but was later overthrown by a mob and killed. Hazeel was later resurrected and has headed north to meet with the other Mahjarrat.

Lucien: {C}Lucien is a physically weak Mahjarrat, he helped betay Zaros by casting a spell on the Godstaff of Armadyl so that Zaros could not feel its presence. Lucien recently tried to get his hands on the Godstaff of Armadyl once again, but I prevented him from doing so. Lucien is expected to be heading north to meet with the other Mahjarrat.

Enakhra: {C}Enakhra managed to trap the Zarosian Mahjarrat Akthanakos in a temple which she built as a dedication to her loyalty to Zamorak. I managed to free Akthanakos and they have both headed north to fight.

Zemouregal: {C}Zemouregal is known from the Legend of Arrav, he’s known to be able to infiltrate one's dreams and to be able to summon and control the undead. I speculate that Zemouregal is going to perform an attack on Varrock soon, and I fear that it will be with an undead Arrav by his side.

Now, onto the Zarosian Mahjarrat.

Azzanadra: {C}Azzanadra is probably Zaros’ most loyal servant, and most likely also his strongest. Azzanadra is as close as a mortal can get to immortality, which is why he was trapped in a Pyramid, rather than killed. I managed to free Azzanadra from his prison during my travels, and in exchange he granted me the ability to use the Ancient Magicks of the Mahjarrat. I expect that Azzanadra will be heading north to fight the Zamorakian Mahjarrat.

Akthanakos: Akthanakos was, as I mentioned earlier, trapped by Enakhra. After I freed him he went to battle with Enakhra, I expect that they have probably headed north.

Sliske: Sliske is the last of the known Mahjarrat loyal to Zaros. He is known from the tale The Fall of the Six, and is the one who granted the Barrows Brothers their powers to fight Zamorak’s evil hordes. I will continue to try to uncover more information about Sliske, but as of now this is all I know.

Other possible Mahjarrat is the Oracle. She looks like Hazeel, and she’s definitely been in this world for a long time, but I can’t seem to figure out where her allegiance is and how she’s connected to the others.

I was once told by a wise gnome, who had the ability to see into the future, that amongst the Mahjarrat will be someone else, someone who does not belong there, someone who will fight them. I do not know who this person is, but I have a bad feeling that I’m going to be involved further in this matter.

I heard somewhere that there were about 100 Mahjarrats when they first came to RuneScape; by now, though, some must’ve died from age, others in battle. I don’t think we have yet uncovered all of the remaining Mahjarrat, but I don’t think there are much more than 10 of them left. It has been many ages and they have been at war for most of them.

I hope any of this have helped on your understanding of the Mahjarrat.

So, until the dark times must be fought Baralai22, Adventurer

Starting to see a pattern of some sort here.......
Have you ever noticed that for the non-wildernessteleport spells in the ancient magicks spellbook, there is always a trapdoor or some sort of underground entrance nearby? to clarify, the edgeville teleport will take you to edgeville dungeon, nearby an entrance/exit, the dig site teleport is closeby to where you can go underground using a winch, the ice mountain teleport is close by to the dwarven mine, and the canfis teleport is nearby to the basement in the tavern.

Whereas for the wilderness teleport, there is NO sort of trapdoor/underground accessway that is nearby.

Perhaps at one point in time, the non-wilderness cities were linked by tunnels, which allowed the transportation and distributation of goods/people/information, exc.? Its just a theorm, but it may be worth investigating.

I also believe that, if the non-wilderness cities had tunnels nearby, then this must state that the cities in the wilderness were merely just fortresses.--Pkthis 00:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Zaros: A marvelous ranger?
I'd sure like some kinda citation for this line. Any volunteers? Sir Revan125 21:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Zaros:Alignment
i believe i've stumbled upon zaros's alignment. FEAR or The Darkness. if you study upon his names, you can figure out that, fear leaves a empty feeling inside of you, and hopelessness also leaves a empty and dark feeling inside of you. i also believe he could be the god of Negativity.the example of the negativity theory is that the ancient staff takes prayer from you, and he seems to be feared by the positive gods. i also believe he could be fear god because he is sometimes refered to as the dread lord.    floppyc5     01:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a good theory, but only a theory, Zaros's views on Good and Evil / Right and Wrong / Justice and Chaos (and so on) are still mainly unknown. He his referred to as Unknown Power, Empty Lord, ect... it's still a mystery to many of us. We can only hope that Zaros's past, present and future will be revealed soon. "Long live Magicks; Long live Zaros!  [[File:Ancient staff.png]]  Xana Attack  [[File:Cape (black).png‎]]  


 * It's possible, but I usually think of him as the god of power/reagalness cuz his color is purple. "Down with Zaros, and may Zamorak rule eternally" Foop46 23:19, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

What about.. God of Change?

Can someone follow my reasoning? 20:26, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Juna said that Guthix would like Zaros to replace Zamorack again to make for a better balance. Implying that Zaros needs to counter Saradomin's Order. Chaos and Change do that both (in my eyes).
 * After becoming rather powerful with Armadyl's staff, Zamorak changed into a god while impaling Zaros. Lucien who posessed both Armadyl's staff and Jas' stone could be (considered) to be even more powerful. Maybe that's why Lucien claimed to be a god (in RotM) or just to scare-off. Maybe by impaling the god of change Zamorak could change into a god. Maybe that's why the other gods were so terrified too (starting the god wars), when defeating Bandos only Guthix was insulted, but still okay.
 * Some bad reasons... he helped change the Mahjarrat from Icthlarin's to him.
 * You can change the Saradomin altar (in the White knight's castle) to a Zaros one (after completing the elite Falador tasks).
 * Some Mahjarrat say that Zaros did not seem to fully understand them, they like destruction ddeath and ashes, like on their homeland. Maybe Zaros fulfilled his part for the Mahjarrat till that far, after that they wanted something else (but not be a slave to Bandos, eventhough the seeming natural fix)


 * Where has Jagex stated Zaros's alignment? As far as I know, even in the lore live stream, they weren't being too clear with it.

Nathan 06:21, March 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, there is a link to the live stream to the minute, this is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQg_xYVKQJY&t=25m0s if you listen from 25:00 to 25:55 you should be able to make it out. They don't just agree on the alignment (25:28), they also describe it further... like that article states. Hope this helps ;)  10:44, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

edicts of guhtix
i dont think he violated them, seeing as guthix, or at least juna, approves of him coming back.

The only reason why i guess it doesn't violate the edicts of guthix is because Zaros will probably be reborn from the mahjarrat ritual, from the staff of Armadyl and Stone of Jas. And armadyl will notice how his weapon has been used so he will return to govern gielanor. So in the end it will be Zaros Zamorak Guthix Saradomin Armadyl where Guthix is balance, zamorak and zaros are the evil ones, and saradomin and armadyl. So it will be even where 2 are bad, 1 neutral, 2 good


 * I don't think the Mahjarrat would summon Zaros at their ritual, since most of them are Zamorakian and fear Zaros. 06:44, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Its hard to call any god "evil". Sure Zamorak is the god of chaos but they doesnt necessarily make him evil. Also it all really depends on your prospective. In some ways I find Saradomin to be evil. There isnt enough about Zaros to decide his alliegence. It is likely though he will be on the side of chaos. So to put it better Zaros and Zamorak are chaos, Guthix balance, and Armadyl and Saradomin are order. This maintains the balance but gets rid of the good and evil since they technically dont exist just depends what side you are on.
 * Ahh guys what about bandos?!?! where does he fit...he's "The Big High War God" so he's at least chaos or destructive. thats not very balanced unless you put seren as order. If you do that your opening up all the other minor gods then.
 * Well, Zaros disappeared BEFORE Guthix woke up... So he wasn't actually around to sign the Edicts...
 * He could directly intervene without angering Guthix.
 * Bandos is War, he doesn't care who's side he is on, he just loves war. Therefore Bandos can be classified as Indifferent. Seren is not Order, Seren is the Elf Goddess of Crystal and is Neutral (I think of her as Purity, being a goddess of crystal and crystal filters light. Filtering makes thing purer, so Purity makes sense to me). Armadyl is Justice/Law, Zaros is Unknown, you can't say whether he's bad or good, but I like to think he's the God of Corruption. So, here is how I view them:
 * Saradomin: Order
 * Guthix: Balance
 * Zamorak: Chaos
 * Bandos: War
 * Armadyl: Justice
 * Zaros: Corruption
 * Seren: Purity
 * Slate Orchid 02:11, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think zaros is the god of chaos or corruption since there is no evidence at all to support this theory and because zaros' followers such as azzanadra are not chaos, in fact azzanadra and other zarosian mahjarrat such as jhallan are very kind and polite to the player even when the player meets them for the first time.


 * What about the God of Meritocracy? His best fighters (dragon riders, mahjarrat, demons, etc) were his closest (and in the end that ended him>zamorak became god). 02:23, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

All Alignments In One?
Zaros is most likely to be every alignment in one which means he could be everything just like Guthix. If Zaros is evil then Armadyl would be his Arch-Rival. EliteArmourer 06:33, July 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * What do you mean? Evil is not the same as injustice (Armadyl is the god of justice). Guthix is just balance, that's also not all in one. Could u explain pls? 01:40, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe that Zaros is a Neutral god, respectively. But Saradomin and Zamorak seem to accept that they are good, and evil (personally, I think both are evil) {C} This always led me to confusion.



Lord Nexius (talk) 08:05, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Possible return?
now I'm just making a theory here but i think zaros might come back in some way in the future. after all zammy seemed pretty freaked out at his name in zammy god letter and from what i can gather zaros isn't definitely dead, just weakened and banished. and with that stone of jas out there he could restore himself. and once he is back, zammy is going to be on the look to kill him, this time for sure. which would make for one great quest. now this is going far off the deep speculation end but When Zaros Returns sounds like a good name for a follow up to While Guthix Sleeps --75.192.121.3 14:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Zaros is returning, proof. The return of Zaros has been hinted twice in the second Q & A on March 5: Quoted from the second Q & A - All rights go to Jagex
 * Q) Fitzcairn - Zaros's return has been hinted at for a long time now. Will it be achieved this year?

- {C}And
 * A) Mod Mark - Zaros likes to remain mysterious about such things, and isn’t likely to let even us know when he intends to return. However, a select team of developers led by Paul is trying to find out :)
 * Q) Darth Stefan - Will there be a second God Wars?

- If you look at issue 15's of the GOD Letter it shows Zaros grave and Zamorak's reaction to the mentioning of Zaros
 * A) Mod Mark - We have strong ideas for another high level dungeon, but it’s not likely to be another God Wars...ah, hang on...are you asking me if there will be another actual war of the gods? I’d say that was very likely, especially with the return of Z being talked about so much and Guthix still fast asleep. They do like to take matters into their own hands.
 * Other: And in one of the Anagrams of From Postage from the Hedge by the Chaos Element; when the anagram is solved it is Zaros will be reborn

Zaros will return, that's an actual fact. I'm assuming that Lucien either wants to succeed Zamorak and have Zaros banished, or Succeed Zamorak and help Zaros return to power. Idunnolol. 87.80.83.70
 * When the lord zaros returns all those who followed zamorak shall be smote, the kingdoms of sara shall be smote and the zamorakian kingdom of kandrian will be crushed.--Jakezing2 23:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Same guy who started the topic here. Cool info i dug up, the barrows brothers may be enlisted in Zaros' army. in The Fall of Six it says "You shall stand ever vigilant for His return" since the only god who has left, and there for can return, is Zaros. The next question this raises is who is the stranger? We know he has visited the east, because that is where karil's bolt racks come from. This is really jumping off the deep end but Lucien has been around long enough and may support Zaros. Also I move that Lucien has a page made of evidence about his loyalty --70.198.35.192 23:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I highly doubt zammy will be able to kill Zaros. I believe Guthix will reawaken and fight Zaros since Zaros would be violating the Edicts of Guthix. I also believe the "guess who's back" message could be a reference to santa clause as well, it was posted in December after allpyrolord 20:24, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * But Zaros isn't affected by the Edicts of Guthix, so how can he break them?Kenneth C. L. 04:23, February 19, 2010


 * If Zaros Is going to return he will need a body (Since Zamorak killed Zaros but Zaros' soul was banished to another plane that, in the Temple at Senntisten quest is shown to be very far away from Gielinor) and even though the edicts of Guthix will not affect him, the group of Guthixians who swore to awaken Guthix if the edicts were ever violated would still probably awaken Guthix. If they do, Gielinor will be destroyed; so Zaros' first objective (if he manages to find a body to inhabit) would be to kill the group of Guthixians so that Guthix will never awaken for thousands of years. He will then probably start another god war since Saradomin and Zamorak and many other gods won't let him take over even though they're scared to death by Zaros. Also Guthix won't fight Zaros he'll just destroy Gielinor if he finds out any god entered RuneScape. Lord Nexius 2nd February 2013, Strength Through Power

The Edicts of Guthix isn't something like law of physics, it's like a legal law: you can break the law, there just can be consequences - that's why the other gods don't break the Edicts - I refer you to the lore live stream for that ;) I also think that you have a too metaphysical few of Zaros' banishment. I mean, why can't he just be banished with body - I don't think it was said anywhere that only his sole got banished? 09:54, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Updated with new information->zaros trivia
i didnt know if the trivia fact about the zaros grave being near the goblin village was the same as the large grave i found next to the mind altar so i put it separate, but if it is can someone edit it or something, i included the examined text because it seemed like a hint that there is something big hidden underneath that large grave =P

Actually most gravestones do NOT depict the Zaros symbol. Most gravestones portray a Celtic Cross ( a circle with a + sign in it. The Zaros symbol has an X through a circle NOT a +.

In fact, the only place in the game where there ARE Zarosian gravestone is in the Yanille Agility Dungeon. They did not used to be there but they have been updated to the Zarosian symbol. Plus I went by and checked the grave by the mind altar; it is in fact a Celtic cross, rather than the Ancient symbol that Zaros uses. - Lord Drakan

ancient statuette
since it is no longer zaros statuette, it is no longer a zarosian item. its now just a old item.

But Zaros made ancient magicks, so I belive that most ancient things (espicially if they used to be associated with him) can be associated with Zaros. Kenneth C. L. 04:27, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Uzer
In the article it says that the city of Uzer worshipped Zaros when it still existed. I never read any proof of that, and I'm pretty sure Uzer was a Saradominist city. Maybe people link the Mahjarrat to Zaros, but the Mahjarrat were in the service of Icthlarin during their time in the desert. Hippodo 3113 16:12, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, both Saradomin and Zamorak attacked the desert cities, and they only had one enemy in common: Zaros. Also, two of the Mahjarrat that are still loyal to him, Akthanakos and Azzanadra (and possibly Wahisietel if he turns out to be Ali the Wise) "live" in the desert. 16:14, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Saradomin never attacked Uzer right? And so what if Zarosian Mahjarrat live in the desert, doesn't mean Uzer is Zarosian. Hippodo 3113 16:19, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thammaron destroyed Uzer. After Thammaron was killed, Azzanadra wiped out what was left of his army. 22:13, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

First god?
Is Zaros the first god we actually see ingame? I've heard bandos, but never saw him. Am I right? 80.101.62.155 13:12, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Nope, we've seen Guthix in Meeting History I think. 84.31.4.169 18:45, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

actually, the elder gods were first, followed by Guthix and the stone of Jas, then all the other ones excluding zamorak which is the last one.XXstaticXX 23:31, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * XXstaticXX is spot on. 23:49, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Not right. The question was, is Zaros the first one which we see in-game. First one was Guthix, then Zaros, and we haven't seen the rest yet. 06:43, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Still not right. We also saw Icthlarin and Amascut in Icthlarin's Little Helper. They are both gods. 22:09, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * So, in order of the quest releases, we saw:


 * Icthlarin (Icthlarin's Little Helper)
 * Amascut (Icthlarin's Little Helper)
 * Guthix (Meeting History)
 * Bandos (The Chosen Commander)If you'd like to count "hearing" a god and seeing it's power forced into a glass-like avatar as "seeing" a god, then Bandos comes fourth.
 * Zaros (The Temple at Senntisten)
 * Saradomin (Ritual of the Mahjarrat) ( 02:19, September 19, 2011 (UTC))

''Again, Bandos should only be counted depending on what subject you're talking about. There's a difference between "see" and "interact", we don't directly see Bandos.''

22:16, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

But if the wanderer during Icthlarin's little Helper is Amascut (correct me if I'm wrong) then technically we see her before Icthlarin, though we don't know it's her, so she comes first, not second.Kenneth C. L. 04:32, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

An idea I dnno where to put
Zemouregal said on his notes about Akthanakos that though Zaros freed tem from the desert gods, he wont understand the path of chaos. That means Zaros might not be a good guy but hes not the bad guy. Someone put this up onto the page? - KingBlackChicken

Interestingly, this could show more info on his allignment. It seems that, though he is "Evil", he is on the path of order rather than chaos. --User:Derekwinston; The 3mporer, Hail Zamorak. 07:44, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * We don't even know whether he's evil or not. Hippodo 3113 12:16, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Zaros' Personality
I believe that the latest Mahjarrat quest stated something about Zaros' actual personality, that he is not a god of pure evilness, but a god of power, he is power greedy and thrives to dominate, in a non-evil way, and lives with the most extreme style, and immediately jealous of those who seem better than him, and will do to lengths to overthrow and dominate and become the best. DragonGnexus 17:12, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

This could be said for many of the Gods though, Saradomin, Zamorak and the Mahjarrat were jealous and envious of Zaros' power, therefore they tried to overthrow him and take his Kingdom and Power for themselves and they all want 'control' of Runescape and to be the best.

That wasn't jealousy though it was fear. pyrolord 20:52, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

No, it wasn't fear, Zaros wasn't afraid of the other gods as he was the most powerful. He could have been paranoid that they'd band together and knock him off his perch, which in the end became true.

Now it seems Zaros wants to come back into Gielinor to reclaim that power and punish Zamorak for his betrayal. 86.20.236.193 18:13, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

If you actually did the new quests, you would know that guthix is awaiting zaros return for then the pretender god zammy will be gone and balance will be closerXXstaticXX 21:55, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Guthix doesn't know Zaros exists. He was sleeping during his existence. DragonGnexus 10:10, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Guthix does know that zaros existed, since his followers, specifically Juna who is stuck in a cave know of zaros and approve his arrival. When you do the quests, you will find out XXstaticXX 21:59, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Just because his followers know doesn't mean he knows. He WAS and still IS asleep.pyrolord 20:42, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Juna and other guthix followers state that guthix knows of ZAROS, just very little, and guthix is AWAITING HIS RETURN! XXstaticXX 23:04, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

You really should read this http://www.runescape.com/c=OGk7HvDU4H0/kbase/guid/letters19

press ctrl+f and search zaros you will find out you are wrong. Guthix said "Thy first question I cannot answer, for I know not of the being thou speak of. Certain events that occurred during my slumber are unknown to me, for my mind was occupied elsewhere in my slumber, and I had but tangential influence and knowledge of the events of this land. The name seems almost familiar, and I hath a feeling that there are reasons why I should know it, but alas, truthfully I do not." pyrolord 22:59, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry Pyrolord, but in all honesty XXstaticXX is right. The god letters we written forevvveeerrrr ago before WGS and any of that. Guthix didn't know much of Zaros but he has been informed and it would bring the most balance according to Juna who is the closest NPC to Guthix that we've met.

Hmmm...
I've noticed that the pronounciation of Zaros' name has changed to a likely incorrect pronounciation. Could someone provide proof of the pronounciation? If not then I propose it be changed back to the old one. I have a feeling it is actually pronounced similar to how you say the word "Zeros" except with an "A" replacing the "E", while the "O" is pronounced as "ō".

Ex. zR-Ohs or ZAR-Ohs

I always pronounced it as Zah-ross.

Also, should'nt the Ancient Statuette be included in the list of related items? It was called the Zaros Statuette when first released, and only because questers complained was it's name changed so as not to reveal Zaros' name before players completed the Digsite quest. It really should be included seeing as all of the other high level PvP drops are God-related items.
 * Afaik, the pronunciation isn't mentioned anywhere, so it should probably be removed. About the ancient statuette, go ahead and put it back, but mention that it used to be called the zaros statuette. 02:10, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

ancient statuette
the ancient statuette IS NOT A ZAROS ITEM. there is absolutely no evidence what so ever to suggest it is. what it used to be called does not matter aether- if a saradomin sword was renamed a zamorak sword, would u still call it a saradomin item?
 * But the word ancient is usually afiliated with Zaros. Ex. Ancient Staff. 03:33, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

ancient diary, ancient bones...those arnt zarosian, but they are ancient. {C}The ancient statuette was originally called "Zaros Statuette" so there is proof that is it indeed of zarosian origin. {C}Mewlink2 23:30, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

but it isnt called that anymore, thus that is 195% irrevelant.

195% is a mathematical improbability in the context you're using it, and it can be affiliated with Zaros because, as said before, it used to be called, "Zaros statuette" (Fyi, if you don't know what some of the words I'm using, check a dictionary) : ) Kenneth C. L. 04:39, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ. All ancient stuff has Zarosian origins. I would say it's 100% relevant. -- 04:34, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

the extra 95% was just to make it more dramatic. if an item was called saradomin cape, but then got renamed zamorak cape, would it still be called a saradomin item? 17:34, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * That is an inadequate example. A more accurate example would be if it were called an ancient item, and then it became a modern item. Those are two exact opposite terms. Zaros is from ancient times, the two are similar if not one and the same. -- 17:46, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can we stop adding that it used to be called Zaros Statuette? If people want to know more about the Ancient Statuette, they will click on the link provided on the page.
 * It used to be called the Zaros Statuette. I complained on the RuneScape forums that it defied years of mystery to just use his name so carelessly, and received a gold post stating he agreed fully and he'd see to it being changed. It was changed by the next day. Whether or not there's any evidence in game to support it, from the perspective of someone looking at a computer screen, it's Zarosian. It's suppose to be implied. I suggested "Ancient Statuette", but whether or not it would have been called that even if I'd suggested something else is besides the point... 46.33.4.136 17:26, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Jagex mean to apply that it is zarosian by use of the word ancient. just use some common sense please. its what this wiki is missing in places and this is one of them 12:36, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

zaros plans to betray us?
When you ask Azzanadra about Zaros' plan, and ask if Zaros wants your help, he basically avoids the question, saying something along the lines of 'you will be useful'. Perhaps Zaros plans to use then lose us? 58.161.208.186 05:24, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

all speculation. 17:22, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think that is somewhat unlikely...he gave us ancient magicks and curses...I think Zaros will reward us...or perhaps he just will use us as cannon fodder (not wanting us to die, but necessary for him to return), but we will surprisingly live through it. -- Haloolah123  21:38, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

The reason he doesn't tell you about Zaros' plan is because Zaros doesn't want anyone else to know about it. He tells Azzanadra to come closer so he can tell him a plan that NO ONE ELSE may know of. I think when Zaros said "NO ONE ELSE" he meant the player can't know of it either. Zaros also doesn't know you and won't trust you because he barely knows you. If I were Zaros I wouldn't trust anyone except the most Loyal Servant I have A.K.A   Azzanadra!

Elves may have been followers of Zaros
As seen on the tomb of the ancient elven queen, Glarial, there is a symbol of Zaros. Also, whoever keeps deleting this fact from the main article needs to stop, it is factually true, and you can see for yourself on her page, it is in fact the symbol of Zaros. It's the third time I put it up there.

Yes I agree, but I also keep thinking why today's elves show no allegiance to Zaros. My theory is that the elves who followed Zaros went into hiding after Zaros was Banished, the reason being Fear of being wiped out by Zamorak or The other Gods. They may have thought Zaros was Dead and Abandoned the Zarosian Religion. Another Theory I have come up with is that when Zaros Disappeared they Simply Switched Religions and instead followed Seren and, 2000 or 3000 years later, they had simply completely forgotten about their race's history with Zaros. The last theory is that they were wiped out. These are only theories that I have come up with and should not be taken Too seriously though if Elves (Or at Least a Portion of Them) once followed Zaros then These Theories could very likely at least have a grain of truth in them. 02:02, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Zarosian Tombs
Say, could someone add the pictures of the Zarosian tombs found in Glarial's Tomb, The Shade Catacombs, and the Yanille Agility Dungeon to the main article about Zaros? There are already pictures of them on those pages (except for the Yanile Dungeon one), and it would probably be a good addition, I just don't know how to do it myself is all.--Lord Drakan 00:03, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, someone edited the article to add that there are Zarosian graves in the Varrock crypt visited in the Romeo and Juliet Quest. I checked out a picture on RuneHQ (because the pic here on the wiki was inadequate) and it turns out it is true. Just though I should let you know in case it comes up.--Lord Drakan 03:26, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

1st of all I don't think zaros was the 1st god and the most powerful god I think it is guthix because he had some elder god influece and shaped gielinor secondly I think zaros took alot of territories (almost captured the whole land of gielinor) is because he used some of the mahjarrat war stratagies.Now the mystery of zaros is still a mystery lol XD

The thing about Zarosian graves in the Varrock crypt is probably because Edgeville was a huge Zarosian city on one side of Varrock, and then Senntisten was on the other. It makes sense that it would have a faint Zarosian taint to it. Death will follow you... but you can survive 03:25, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Zarosian Comparison to Religions
Seems like it should belong under trivia, except it has alot of info under it. Maybe shorten it up then move to trivia? 00:30, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Eh, I dunno. I think it is fine where it is. Shortening it to fit in the trivia section would probably mean losing details in the process. Someone obviously did a bit of research and would like to share it, so why should we cut bits and pieces from it just to put it in the trivia section? 173.168.98.54 16:37, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should get rid of it, why do Runescape Players care about the similarities between a fake religion and real religions? Runescape is just a game, and Zaros is just another part of that game 23:05, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Since when do we only have information runescape players care about? Thats what makes wiki different from all other fansites. What does it matter if runescape is a game? Does that mean its impossible for there to be similarities? I don't follow your logic. Furthermore, this entire article is useless to runescape players- it doesn't tell how to earn more money, kill stuff faster, etc. 23:07, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yet it has information at actually applies. Not everyone who reads the wiki cares to read about how it could be related. 23:14, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't want to read about how to kill bandos boss. Thus, not everyone who reads the wiki wants to read about how to kill this boss. Thus, by your logic, we should remove it. 23:18, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or by my logic, it actually applies to the game. 23:27, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is also ZERO evidince for the ancient statuette being zarosian. Its not in his colors, does not have his symbole, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING suggests it had anything remotely to do with him. 23:11, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * And you already agreed that the line there was good enough about the statutte, so don't bring that up again, please. 23:16, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't bring it up, ok? 23:18, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * User_talk:3rd_age_farcaster/Archive_1 We already agreed that the line is good as it is. 23:20, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes! I am defending the line! Why are you attacking me?! I AM DEFENDING OUR AGREEMENT FOR GOD SAKE! They are trying to remove it. 23:22, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the ancient book related to Zaros? 23:14, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. 23:18, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a different ancient book, but how about the Ancient vambraces, Ancient cloak, and Ancient crozier? 23:22, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whats it matter? Ancient does not = Zarosian. We already agree on that. The reason those are zarosian is because they have his colors, icon, etc. This doesn't 23:27, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Then why did you put this.....? 23:32, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * That was something me and another user agreed on. I am defending that agreement. I am not willing to have Ancient Statuette listed as a Zaros item without some sort of evidince, and that is the best we get. Aether remove the Ancient Statuette, or leave that notice there. 23:36, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why are you posting about items under this section? Also, real life religions have nothing to do with Runescape, and as such, they don't belong on the Runescape Wiki. 23:15, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then only 90% of trivia should be removed. 23:19, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then shorten it, and add it under trivia. 23:20, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll try after this dispute is resolved. 23:21, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * This should be removed, as far as I'm concerned, the Wiki is about RuneScape related information, talking and comparing about other religions is shaky ground, also no1 would like to read about something not related to Zaros or infact, a wall of taxt talking about religion. Keep the Trivia since it only says "its similar to" no, "blah blah blah the same good, same rituals, blah blah blah religion" or a waste of space about trivial information. ScionCrush 23:22, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Theres no limit on space. 23:23, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Scion. 23:24, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Third Age. I don't only read this forum and others for information I enjoy reading the lores and what other people think I say leave it as it has no Negative effects and people may enjoy thinking about that. Zaros will rise. Power to the Great Lord! 15:22, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't need it's own section, though. We can shorten it and add it to Trivia. Nobody likes long Trivia. I don't see any comparisons to Christianity on the Saradomin page, and I never want to see a section about it. It has nothing to do with Zaros himself, or Runescape, so it belongs in Trivia. 22:43, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

You can try putting it there. 22:59, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Done, I didn't add all of what was there, I didn't want to make it too long, but you can add the rest if you like. 23:59, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

More speculation fun time?
Some people really think this needs to be readded again. Shall we start up another discussion or just refer them to the above post? THE TIME LORD VICTORIOUS 00:44, October 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * There was an agreement between both the opposes and the supporters that part of it would be removed, part would stay, and the part that stayed would be put into the trivia section rather then its own section. I think its is fair, as trivia has few rules and this is by far not the most irreverent trivia ever. Its definitely not hurting anything and both sides seemed happy with it. Then someone, possibly not knowing about the agreement, removed it and I reverted their edit in defense of the compromise. Please allow this agreement to continue to exist, as both sides were happy and it really makes no since to remove this and leave all the other real-world similarity trivia. 97.114.132.167 00:36, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Read above, if you wanna talk about religion read the bible and talk to your grandmother. ScionCrush 00:49, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why ruin it? It doesn't hurt you, you can just ignore it. Oh, and if you want to talk about rock, talk to your nearly deaf uncle. Seriously, this type of thing is mentioned all the time. Why are we allowed to mention that black zabbeth is based off a rock band, but not that zaros has similiaritys to real world religions? What is it hurting you?? 97.114.132.167 00:56, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because you can scream "I LOVE ROCK", but if you scream "I BELIVE IN A VIDEO GAME GOD OF EVIL THAT IS SIMILAR TO CHRISTIANITY" you get flamed at and burnt alive, its shaky ground son, l2read as per above. ScionCrush 01:03, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hes not the god of evil, and I don't "believe" in him. Btw, you just basically admited that you arn't trying to be fair or stick to the rules/guidelines, just to make rs wiki similar to the rest of the internet. If one thing is allowed, the others must be as well. 97.114.132.167 01:13, October 26, 2010 (UTC)}
 * Following your logic we should allow porn and insults too. ScionCrush 01:15, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I suppose if Zaros or any other npc had an obvious reference to a porn movie, I would include that reference. If the specific npc also was related to a certain, well known insult, then ok go ahead. Thing is, this is very rare, and I don't think theres any npcs that have a connection to aether of those. Maby you could try drug references next? 97.114.132.167 01:21, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Anyways, Scion's reason is because it doesn't fit in with other internet culture. Does anyone else have a different reason why this trivia should be treated differently? 97.114.132.167 01:38, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Dude you're trying too hard lol, Religion doesn't fit in this wiki, when they get sued by a Religious cult we're gf'd, thats why no1 besides you want it here. ScionCrush 01:41, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * How dumb are you..? CLEARLY I want it here. Oh, and we can't be sued for presenting facts. 97.114.132.167 01:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * The arguments here are pretty weak. Religion shouldn't be included on this page because it implies information on a sensitive topic about a person, people, or a community that has not made an explicit statement with respect to that topic. That's something I think the Wiki would rather avoid. See also: Forum:Keep_real_world_religion_off_articles Ablm578 01:48, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

It implies nothing. Simply states facts. 97.114.132.167 01:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

What Andrew said
Hey guys I added something to the trivia. I read this

Q: Is it true that Zaros may return?

A: That's a scary thought. Zaros scares me

in the Q&A with Andrew on the forums that happend in Feb. I thought it was interesting so I put it in trivia, not even sure if everyone can see it, another reason Im telling you guys. It could also be put in more flimsy reasons why Zaros is evil ;)

75.82.167.225 08:19, November 24, 2010 (UTC)chizoi

Future Update? I think not!
I see that there has been a banner put at the top of the page, suggesting Zaros to be a future update - I beg to differ! Zaros is not a future update, which can be proven, and thus states that any user who puts the Future Update banner at the top of the page, is vandalizing the page! I do reccomend that someone either stop posting the banner, or post a reasonable explanation for why there should be one, on my talk page.  {C}Cheers! ~Deth 01:30, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha the banner clearly states this page has content that is subject to future update. Aka developments in Mahjarrat series which we cannot predict and that's why we have the future update area. We won't be able to know what will happen regarding Azzanadra or other Mahjarrat even a failed attempt to resurrect him would be a future update that would be added as well as his alignment which may be revealed in a future update. {C}So please put the banner back up. -- 12:01, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

@Deth please reply to this thread with a rebuttle or your argument against the point I made or I will put the banner back up. :) Thanks -- 23:56, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Use of his name...
Just throwing an idea out, could we remove his name from the article? Refer to him with pronouns, or as His Emptiness (or another of this titles, which ever is preferred). This would only serve to strengthen the mystery surrounding the character, as even Jagex have renamed items (such as the Statuette). Thanks :) 46.33.4.136 00:21, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, that goes against RS:NPOV. While I see why you think making him sound more mysterious is desirable, the wiki is supposed to be written in a matter-of-fact way (see the NPOV link for why). Thus, Zaros has to be refereed to by that name. 00:26, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Beyond his personal name, only The Great lord may be used >.> --Mika Zarosia 03:59, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Zaros Graves
I see that there is a picture of Zaros' supposed grave from the postbag in the trivia section. I wonder if this may be giving people the wrong impression as to what his graves actually look like. I know that there are two or three images on the wiki of ingame graves with his symbol (on these pages: Mort'ton, Glarial, Glarial's Tomb, Salarin the Twisted). Lacking in computer proficiency as I am, could someone perhaps add one of these pictures to the trivia section? Lord Drakan 02:47, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

I suggest that there should be added a list of quests that concentrates on and mentions Zaros. I myself can only provide the major ones, like Desert Treasure, The Dig Site and The Temple at Sennitisten. I will add it now, and i hope that more quests will be added. Praise Zaros! TardirProductions 22:59, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Unless we are over 9000% sure
We shouldn't list items as being Zarosian. We can't be making guesses and assumptions. It was a Zaros statuette at one time, but now we are just GUESSING and ASSUMING that it still is. There is no proof, and also no evidence. It doesn't have his symbol, or anything resembling his symbol. It also doesn't have his colors, and, infact, has the colors of his worst ENEMY.

Furthermore, "Ancient" doesn't always mean Zarosian. My grandma is ancient, but as far as I know she doesn't support Zaros.The ancient cavern has nothing to do with Zaros, nor does the Ancient diary. 75.174.239.165 04:23, March 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * The ancient statuette really was known as a Zarosian Statuette, I remember getting it as a drop when I was a mediocre pker awhile back... Shoulda took a screenie. 04:32, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * That is correct. I'm not saying it wasn't. At that time it was Zarosian, but, when jagex changed it to Ancient, it ceased to be Zarosian and became an unaffiliated item. 75.174.239.165 15:17, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * the majority of "ancient" refer to zarosian stuff --Mika Zarosia 00:09, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * But not every "ancient" item is zarosian. We need proof, not guesses. 75.174.239.165 02:05, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * To me, the fact that it was formerly a "Zaros" aligned item, and the name was changed to a term which is very commonly used to affiliate things with Zaros, still makes it a Zarosian item. Granted, you are right about the colors and symbol being inconsistent with that of Zaros, but...if you look at the altar of Senntisten, there are some seemingly non-Zarosian colors there as well, but it's quite obviously affiliated with him. I think this is one in particular that shouldn't be tossed out. 07:14, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * The colour of the items affiliated with Zaros doesn't matter, I mean there's a whole lot of proof that a just because something isn't purple or gold it doesn't mean it isn't Zarosian. Just have a look at Nex, her skin colour is red but that doesn't mean she follows Zamorak. Another example is the Mahjarrat, Azzanadra follows Zaros but his robes aren't colour purple or gold. We are 9001% sure. Lord Nexius (talk) 23:58, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

I think its starting the make sense
Once you finish regicide you find out the king of East Androuge is evil and plans to summon Zamorak to Glielinor, Once you finish The Temple at Senntisten you find out that Azzanadra is planning to bring Zaros back to Glielinor, during Devious Minds a strange figure tricks you into helping him steal a holy artifact after you take the orb to Entrana an assassin appears and kills all the monks then takes the holy artifact you later find out this assassin was working for Azzanadra, and in Temple of Ikov Lucien tries to trick the player into stealing the Staff of Armayl for him which he manages to get whether the player helps him or not.

{C}I think its all coming together as it seems both will be summoned to Glielinor. I also think from here it could go 1 of 2 ways which are 1. Lucien is secretly working for Zaros and plans to use the god objects he stole to bring back Zaros 2. Lucien plans to kill Zamorak and become a god himself. If Lucien uses the objects he stole to bring back Zaros the Zaros would be able to easily continue his origonal plans. However, if he is seeking to overthrow Zamorak and become a god himself then that will put a dent in Zaro's plan. Those are just my thoughs what does everyone else think? pyrolord 07:04, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * What you think now - after RotM? 15:00, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Zaros' gender
What do you mean, Zaros' gender is unknown? Yes, I know he's very mysterious and we can't post things about him that we're not sure of to prevent biased editions, but to consider that the Empty LORD could be a 'she' is preposterous. Of that we can be sure: Zaros is not the Empty Lady. Thousands of evidences can be found in the game. Please update that information.

{C}Palito55, 15:28, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just because Zaros takes on masculine nouns/pronouns, doesn't mean we should assume that he is a He. Just look at real life gods/deities. 15:31, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Use some common sense, Jagex would not have used Lord if not refering to a man....
 * 10:54, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's a matter of common sense. Why would Jagex decide that Zaros is a 'she' after using only and exlusively masculine names when referring to him? Characters who knew Zaros personally or have lived during the Second Age, such as Azzanadra and Viggora, clearly refer to Zaros as a man. There's not even a single clue that implies otherwise. Besides, this is way different from real life deities. Seren, who is a goddess, is always referred to as a female in the game.
 * At least of Zaros' gender we can be certain.
 * Palito55, 21:19, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh, Zaros can be neither too. 21:27, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but as of yet he should be referred to as male for that's what the content in the game implies. If, in the future, evidence stating otherwise is released, then you can edit it back. But for now, please update his gender to male. Palito55
 * We don't know what his gender is for sure, so it should stay unknown. Jagex has changed their mind about upcoming updates before, what if they decide to make him a girl? You never know. Until we see Zaros, or Jagex explicitly says what his gender is, it should stay unknown. 20:43, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think i've cracked it. Zaros COULD be genderless, but that would mean he is a Shapeshifter and that his preffered form is POSSIBLY the form of a male human. Either way male, female or genderless, all Zarosians refer to him as Lord so i think that should get rid of any theories stating Zaros' is female.   Lord Nexius (talk) 06:34, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, we've seen him in cutscenes, and LORD pretty explicitly states his gender. So this is pretty much a non-argument. NIPPON ICHI 21:01, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * i dont understand your argument about real life deities anyway, most gods i can think off in real life have an explicit gender and take the titles as such, for example the christian god is refered to as lord, and as being the father of jesus. no one has ever seen him to know for sure, but i think its safe to say he would be a man. zaros is refered to in a masculian sense and therefore should be treated as a man. 11:56, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * i am however happy with it saying 'most likely male' as it does 10:16, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I screw something up typing this...Change to curses and then go to any altar(not the sentisten altar)And change back, it'll say "Zaros eases HIS grip on your mind."99.111.46.250 13:35, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I find this funny, IT has been proven by his followers, that he is indeed a MALE, all his prayers pwoer also proves it, Zamorak proven it,if i am correct in the gods letter, and one of Saradomin (curse of zaros miniquest) men proved it, Zaros is indeed a male. His MahjarratFollowers have proven that he is, EVEN JAGEX, proven that he is. SO I don't see why we are still talknig about this now. BUT LET REMEMBER ONE THING, Guthix was thought to be genderless from proof of him being a shapeshifter, untill we saw the world wake quest. So for now, we know, from what we have in proof, it is a male, UNTIL there is a new quest where Zaros arrives, and we see what he is, then we can judge, but for now, all the proof i stated above.Kinglink15 (talk) 10:38, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros is a good god. Here is why.
FOR GOD SAKE HIS CAPITAL CITY IS SENNTISTEN. It is derived from Szent Isten, meaning Holy god in hungarian. If that is not enough proof. Then here: http://translate.google.com/

Type in Szent Isten in there and check it out, hungarian to english!
 * Yeah might be, but that "good god" doesn't mean the same as a god that's good. It means something like "oh my god", which does definetely not confirm Zaros is a good god. Also, we can't be sure Senntisten comes from the Hungarian Szent Isten. 15:31, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also most Zarosian words that are in another language are in latin. 03:49, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Most other Zarosian words like? Charlegme 16:47, June 28, 2011 (UTC)Charlegme
 * Everything in the hymnal, for starters. Djur 19:36, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good point. Also, come to think of it, there are several examples of this in Nex's Fortress in the GWD. For example, the word "Nex" itself is Latin for death, and each of her four gurads also have Latin names associated with the spell they use. (Umbra - Shadow ; Glacies - Ice ; Cruor - Blood and Fumus - Smoke) Charlegme 11:11, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, certainly interesting. But as said above: holy isn't = good. Though Sara's (holy), Zammies (unholy) god book and spear (evil), does give that idea in the game. This isn't part of the official idea about the gods. Though the translation is indeed interesting. Maybe Senntisten wasn't only the political, and military capital, but also religious. I think the Linga franca of the time was like latin, not that it was necessarily the Zarosian language. Prolly only done to give it that ancient, mystic feeling. Btw, Burthrope guards speak it too - I find that somewhat odd. 14:58, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Just because his Capital City has similarities to the word "Szent Isten", which means holy god, that doesn't say anything about Zaros at all. e.g. To a Zarosian, Zaros or Zaros' places of worship would be Holy, but to someone like a Saradominist or a Bandosian those places would be Very unholy because back then Zaros was Considered an enemy by all the other gods. Get what I'm saying? Lord Nexius (talk) 23:50, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

New Aligned Colour
A new default clothes colour called Zarosian purple has been released.
 * Yes, but that is a description of the shade of purple related to Zaros. The article only mentions purple, just as description of a color related to Zaros. Not as exact name. There are various shades of purple related to Zaros, and to describe them all, we just call it "purple". 10:12, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

A Reference to Cthulhu?
What if Zaros is a reference to hp lovecraft's cthulhu?


 * What happend to the trivia? I hope you just added it to the rest of the page somewhere. When people are really interested in lore one of the first things they come to is Wiki and they want to know EVERYTHING


 * ^I doubt it. 00:43, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I'm been thinking Zaros might be a refernce to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism. Highlander has made a refernce to highlander where when Mac Leod faces Ahriman(Angra Mainyu) he says

" I'll become one wih everything. I'll become one with you. I'll become everything, therefor I become nothing. Therefor you are nothing."


 * Since Zaros is sometimes refered to as the empty lord perhaps this is some kind of refernce. pyrolord 18:49, November 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * It could be a reference to "Cthulhu", but you don't say why you think that. I mean the name doesn't seem similar. Guthix was before Zaros, Jas is even the elder god... so what would make the link? Also Zaros and Zoroaster have a similar looking name :P So in short; it would help if you'd give more info, and sign. Because else were just fantasising baselessly, not really philosophy 14:49, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Saradomin And Zaros
Is it possible for a Saradominist To befriend a Zarosian ? Because I did. He Is Actually my best friend and we both agree that when Zaros returns to Geilnor that he and Saradomin make a temporary alliance in Deatroying a mutual enemy ,Zamorak, and then we let fate decide what happens any thoughts 63.216.122.122 19:29, September 18, 2011 (UTC)Diedaries The Bringer Of Peace 63.216.122.122 19:29, September 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that would strongly depend on his allignment, and of course how he would use it. But seeing how all warring gods joined against Zaros before (out of fear, mostly), I doubt it. But maybe if Saradomin(ists) would spin it in a way that they could say the raged war against Zamorak eventually/effectively to help Zaros, maybe Zaros(ians) will be mild/friendly - depending on allignment, I guess 14:43, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Zaros Logo
Zaros its logo looks a bit like a Suncross...

--Quilafa

Knowledge of Guthix
In the lore 'Twice Burnt' when Zamorak alters Perjour's journal he replaces the actuality for an approach on guthixians; therefore wouldn't Zaros have afformented knowledge of Guthix before this? -Kailx


 * It was never questioned that Zaros knew of a being that people called Guthix. At this point in time, however, Guthix had no activity in the world so Zaros probably thought that Guthix was a minor god or just a false god altogether. The big question is, does Guthix have any knowledge of Zaros. Xicor12345 (talk) 17:14, July 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. Re-read the god letters, Guthix categorically states he has no idea who Zaros is. Zaros operated while Guthix was napping. -Phoenixjo


 * Although, it would be very safe to assume that Zaros had knowledge of Guthix, as did everyone at the time during the Second Age. 67.85.195.20 23:28, February 27, 2013 (UTC)JeffGC64


 * It is unknown if Zaros knew Guthix infact, they don't know each otehr at all, no one knew of guthix, besides Saradomin when he met teh Druid, (AOG in Funorb) Guthix was unknown until he awokened durning teh gods war. So from all this information, Guthix is really unknown to Zaros, unless Zaros had another name, and was Mortal once like Guthix.Kinglink15 (talk) 04:18, March 29, 2013 (UTC)Kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 04:18, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros' Allignment
I think I have a theory on Zaros' true allignment, well a few theories, and feel free to rule out any of these options.

1. Is it possible that Zaros' allignment quite literally could be nothing? He is very often referred to as the "Empty Lord", so could this be a literal meaning in which he has no allignment?

2. God of Power? Zaros appears to be very powerful, even his Ancient Curse prayers and Ancient Magics spells both seem to be very powerful and PvP oriented, could this be a possible meaning?

Does anyone else think that these could be likely allignments?

JeffGC64 (talk) 05:29, September 1, 2012 (UTC)JeffGC64

I second this, He is more known as Control, and Manipulated.Kinglink15 (talk) 04:26, March 29, 2013 (UTC)Kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 04:26, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Is he a good guy?
It has come to my attention that Zaros has little information, and it is hard to tell rather he is a good god, or a bad god. Based on his actions during the God Wars, I look at Zaros as a terrbile god. Sure, he is VERY powerful, but did he use this said power to good use? Also, based on his KNOWN followers (I'm reffering to Nex and other God Wars-related enemies), he is thought to be a bad guy. He seems like the kind of guy who you would lie to a little kid saying "Zaros is a good god! The Great Lord will save us all!" and then he turns out to be a bad guy. So, who knows if he is a good guy or not? I'm not sure yet. God of the Forge 15:45, January 12, 2013 (UTC)God of the Forge


 * To correct somethings, Zaros was never in the Gods War, the Gods war happened after his death, when Zamorak returned, It was stated that some followers do things that are not needed, just for the sake of Zaros, (Nex, Char, and Sliske) Zaros might be a Good god, but then again, he can manipulate a lot of people, and could be a bad god. All that is known, is that he had a powerful empire, so of course he would have a lot of enemies.Kinglink15 (talk) 04:24, March 29, 2013 (UTC)Kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 04:24, March 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's been said many times.. god or bad, or even evil... entirely depends on your perspective/alignment. Jagex said this... and even Saradomin hinted this whtn he talks about Guthix ideas are flawed, while agreeing in principle.. or something like that.  . Yours, Void Knight banner.png .  Leon Art  Talk  . Quest Icon Crest.png 10:31, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

wrong on some part, it is our choice, but it was stated he is control, manipulative, so he could be good, but in his way manipulates, or he is evil. Saradomin only talked about Guthix also looking for peace, like Saradomin is, but disagrees on how Guthix viewed and wanted the peace. Saradomin by his followers is Order, but we all saw his way of order was by force. Yes, it is our choice to pick if he is good or not. But until we see Zaros return, and know his true side, Like I do, I see him as a control side, maybe good. --Kinglink15 (talk) 23:22, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Zarosian Teleport
I recently bought the Zarosian War Teleport from solomons general store and (If you haven't seen it, it should be somewhere on this wiki) whenever you activate it 3 dragon heads come up and you turn into some vampyre-type creature with no legs but instead a tail. Then I zoomed in the camera and realised that the Dragon heads actually look more like Dragonkin! I showed it to my friend and she theorised that the dragonkin (or at least some of them) allied with Zaros for at least some time hoping that, since Zaros is the most powerful of the young gods, Zaros would break their curse in return for their Service. Can someone please tell me what's happening?

01:57, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Not really I respect your theory but not really lol. Don't forget he had dragon riders following him. That's one. Two guthix was the strongest. Zaros was strongest known because of him being more active during his empire age. The dragonkins wouldn't do anything with anyone unless it has to do with the stone of jas. again the dragon head u see could just be dragons due to Zaros having dragon riders as him followers as well. Kinglink15 (talk) 13:20, April 18, 2013 (UTC)