Talk:Gods/Archive 1

Zaros
No offense,but it says "... I am Za-..." Not Zar. Thus is can even be zamorak. Bob the jagex cat is based on an actual cat from the original small jagex office. this is the office they moved from when they claimed ".. she will not like cleaning to kitchens..."

68.82.7.89 05:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, Zaros IS bob. Ever spoken to bob? Here is a quote: Well, I don't believe much since I know that I am Zar-...no I...erm, Meow?


 * ...So? If someone came up to you in the street and said "I'm God", would you believe them? 80.3.96.42 09:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * besides, there are many possibilities for this, perhaps zaros is currently possessing bob, or even bob coould go by a name that starts with 'zar' and does not end in 'os' felinoel 21:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If you did Desert Treasure, there is evidence that Bob is Zaros. However, this does not prove the idea. I, on the other hand, believe that Bob is Zaros.--Thek213 20:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 'So? If someone came up to you in the street and said "I'm God", would you believe them?' Well, for starters, this is a video game, not real life. And, if we don't have enough proof to back up that Bob is Zaros, we could just delete where it is stated. 01:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to kill this whole arguement, but I think that Temple at Sennisten and A Tail of Two Cats definitively prove that Bob is not Zaros. 14:00, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I have a question. So Zaros placed second in the recent god popularity poll for members. Shouldn't this mean that Zaros would be under the Major gods area? Or is that based on in game NPC followers? 80.148.19.131 15:32, August 29, 2010 (UTC) DYS Sheep

Break this up into seperate articles?
Should we split this article up into seperate articles for each god and disband it? Shadowdancer 05:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, if not now, in the future when this page is larger. This should remain a list, though. 18:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * A disambiguation page, then? Shadowdancer 18:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * i doubt the need for this, there is very little info known on the gods, and even less info that is commonly known felinoel 21:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

RoXeL
Should we remove his name from the god list? It is quite funny yet inappropriate for a good article. I am unsure if this conduct is allowed on the Wiki so I will ask here! 03:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Seeing how s/he is a god, I think he should stay. 03:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Sacre Fi. It's not a joke article, if that's what you're thinking. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  08:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * hmmm if we keep this RoXel as a god because it is worshipped like a god, then the the totemic spirits of nature that the Mountain People worship should be included as well because they worship them as gods, the named ones that we know of are Kendal and Fossegrimen, i am not saying get rid of RoXel i am saying include kendal and fossegrimen felinoel 21:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * We're not keeping him because he is worshipped like a god, we're keeping him because he is a god; we've no reason to believe otherwise. The Kendal is a fake god; I believe Fossegrimen could be counted as a god, and as such yes, it should be here. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  21:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, Kendal is a god of the mountain people. just because some random guy pretended to be him for short while, does not mean he does not exist felinoel 21:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sign in before signing comments. And I beliebe that the people only worshipped him because they saw him; he was always a guy in a suit; they never worshipped anything else. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  21:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * going back in and editing it so it shows my name works just as well, especially when im not using my own computer, and speak with a jagex mod if you wish to confirm it for yourself, thats what i did and he said they worshipped him before the fake came along felinoel 21:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But going back and editing means we can't tell if it's really you or not. And we can't see this J-mod claim, so you've got no proof to back that up... JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  07:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * and since im not allowed to give you our discussions, i said to go and ask a jagex mod yourself Felinoel 15:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I shall do that. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  17:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Mod Matt P was one of the few who actually return querries on gods, address your letter to him
 * Addressing the letter in no way affects the who the reciever is. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  19:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ummm yes it does, I had tons of queries addressesd to Mod Matt P and he answered every one of them
 * Also I have a question about RoXel, when was RoXel added to runescape, can anyone confirm his existance? is it from some new quest or does Melzar now shout out pleas directed to RoXel now? Felinoel 20:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Head over to Melzar's Maze and see for yourself....In fact, I'll go do it now. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  20:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah so it is something new? is it a new quest or just melzar spouting out what he spouts? btw im not a member anymore and i havent been since my computer exploded and i couldnt get on runescape so i canceled my account, i havent felt like resubscribing since Felinoel 20:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What makes you think it's something new? And it's non-members. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  20:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Because it wasnt there when i did the quest, ok so i will get on, message me in game to meet up, my username is felinoel Felinoel 20:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * i forgot to mention i cannot add you as a friend because i used to be a member and have the max amount of friends for a member Felinoel 20:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Melzar doesn't mention RoXel, even after I claimed four magenta keys. I'm deleting the article on him. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  21:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * he doesnt? hmmmmm i see, too bad Felinoel 21:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It was strange, I was sure I recognised the name. Oh well... JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  21:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't, not at all, i find when people post lies on wikipedia to be very malicious, can we find out who did it? Felinoel 21:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Rohtul Xel. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  21:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

So, how do you report someone in wikipedia? Felinoel 23:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't know. But if what you meant to ask is how do you report them here, then you'd tell an administrator. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  07:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I left a note with Dreadnought also supplying a link to here and info on the matter Felinoel 15:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There's nothing to be done....Rohtul doesn't exactly edit much, and if he does something like this again I'll tell him not to. We don't go banning people for everything. If he does something like this repeatedly I'll block him. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  16:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * getting him watched is good enough for me Felinoel 02:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Muah. That was amusing. Thanks for defending me Vime, even though you shouldn't have. Sorry for wasting everyone's time. Rohtul Xel 02:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe in all this no-one noticed (or thought to mention) that RoXel is just a contraction of the "contributor's" user name.

this page
i first would like to apologize to all, but as a long time obsessor of the gods and demigods of runescape, i must point out many errors in this page, what do you define as major and minor gods, for the 'minor' gods at one time were much more powerful then the 'major' gods and one even ruled over one that one was zaros, who was zamorak's leader, who zamorak backstabbed icthlarin is no god, he is a demigod, and he has many 'brothers' who are also demigods, he is related to amascut, just like how the three 'major' gods are related tumeken is not truly the father of these 'brothers and sister' but only in the way that they are 'brothers and sister' elidnis, the river elid is named after her, but only because she created it

also there is very little info in this, why? felinoel 08:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a wiki - anybody can edit - go ahead!!! --Eucarya Talk 08:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * yes i know, but i always prefer to bring up my thoughts before editing felinoel 08:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * ok i did an edit of one important thing, but i would like people to comment on the other things i said before i act on it felinoel 08:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to know where you get your information from. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  10:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * my information is recieved mostly from in game references, god letters, and conversations with jagex mods (i only converse with jagex mods when a certain thing is unclear though, so the first two is where i get most my info)
 * oh and as for the itchlarin being a demigod thing, i just right clicked him and clicked examine and it told me he was a demigod Felinoel 19:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ictharlin is not a Demi-god, and neither is Tumeken, Elidnis, or Amascut. Het, Scabaras, Crondus, and Apmeken are though. 04:11, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Kunai Range
Is she a real god?
 * Oh nvm, just vandalism...

Desert Parthenon
Shouldn't it say desert PANTHEON instead? Pantheon means all gods. The Parthenon was devoted to one... 67.33.240.149 17:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Fremennik Pantheon
What about the Fremennik Pantheon? It has been several years since I last played Runescape and I remember when this wiki looked terrible and no one seemed to care for it that much but I did write the first real guide to the gods, all others at the time were incomplete or incorrect, I gave it to a fansite... I wonder if it is still there... Anyways my knowledge came from the letters from the Gods, game play plot, and messaging those head admins, there was one that was really talkative, I think I copied some of his letters before they started saying you weren't allowed to do that, and Wikipedia called the article on gods fan fluff. Is Camelot's altar to Saradomin still backwards? Felinoel 20:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Evil Chicken?
Obviously the Fremennik idols are debatable in their god status...but the evil chicken? Although there's an altar to his lair in Zanaris, does that make him a god? It's been suggested that his following is an insane cult. Just because he has followers, that doesn't mean he's a god; look at Hazeel, who has his own following under Ardougne. There have already been logical explanations proposed for the chicken's existence, as seen in the book found on the Wise Old Man's shelf. I think it ought to be removed from the list. Morian Smith 20:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

...And now Hazeel's listed too. Input, someone? Morian Smith 23:49, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, the "idol" list should include beings worshipped as gods. Therefore, the Kendal, the Fossegrimen, the Evil Chicken and Hazeel. The Evil Chicken got a shrine, and the Chicken Book says that there is a cult worshipping it in Zanaris. Therefore, I think it qualifies as an idol. So does Hazeel, because he have a cult that worships him. Sure, they recognize that fact that he's a subject of Zamorak. Infact, they worship Zammy too - But still, they worship him. Feel free to remove him, I just feelt that he fitted in the idol section. 08:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, by the way.. Thanks for removing that strange section about Amascut. I thought it sounded weird..  09:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

As I mentioned in the Kendal article, I now agree that the he and the Fossegrimen ought to be included. I think that the Evil Chicken's being worshipped ought to be mentioned as well, although it ought to be made very clear that he is not a god. Maybe even include a "non-deities worshipped as gods" type section, where oddities like him can be kept; there are probably a few others we've yet to think of. I don't agree with Hazeel's inclusion because I don't think the cult that follows him sees him as a god or diety, but rather a poweful leader that they hope can help them in their Zamorakian goals. Morian Smith 15:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ehm, I guess your right. I'm not very good at all this.. I specialised in goblins and Bandos you see, but then.. well, that field of research got very, very limited.. 17:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, don't sweat it. I'm really glad that someone else is interested in this and doing their best to contribute and research the history of RuneScape, especially on something so central as the gods. You've already done quite a bit of good with the Fremennik deities; proved me wrong, and I'm always happy to learn. This article is better for your help, we just need to give it some uniformity. =) Morian Smith 21:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Unknown symbol
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8223/skele.png From which god is this symbol ? 14:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No idea. Exactly where did you find it? 17:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Why on Gielinor is my text messing up when your text is there, but not if it isn't? 17:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You can see it in Armies of Gielinor (above green-bearded human-like god. 13:29, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're going to follow the logic of the rest of the intro (Bandos symbol under ork-like being, Zamorak symbol under demon-like being, etc) then it should be.. well, the symbol of Guthix, I guess. Don't make any sense though. 13:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Get rid of your signature! It messes with the text! 13:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 14:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The signature could have stayed; the problem would be fixed once the temaplte has been fixed. Someone just needs to fix the template. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  14:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

But Armies of Gielinor plays during the God Wars, and Guthix didn't participate in the God Wars. 14:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Guthix didn't, but he still had followers. They probably allied themselves with whoever they felt would bring "balance" at the time, or some other storyline mumbo-jumbo. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  14:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's true. It looks very much like Guthix' last known form. 14:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Weren't Armies of Gielinor set in an alternative timeline or something like that? I don't remember that Seren and the Desert Gods fought in the God Wars.. 14:43, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * See http://funorb.wikia.com/wiki/Armies_of_gielinor 14:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1, are you really sure that wikis know everything? *cough* 2, Seriously. There is >no< mention of Seren, Guthix and the Desert Gods fighting in the God Wars, which they do in Armies of Gielinor. 15:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * God wars ? 15:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The main article claims that Seren played a "minor" part of the the God Wars - She hid. In Armies of Gielinor, she actively fights. Also, I don't remember that the thzaar and Marimbo participated. Also, outside of AoG, Elidinis is the only desert god that is mentioned to have had anything to do with the God Wars. 15:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, since when did the gnomes fight in the God Wars? And weren't the tortoise tamed first in the 4th age, and not the 3rd? 15:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Funorb says it could be considered to have taken place in the God WARS
 * Gnomes hid underground, TzHaar under the Karamja Volcano
 * Please don't talk about the God Wars anymore, but about the symbol. 15:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1, Ehm.. What? I know it says "God Wars".. that's what every RuneScape source says too.. And I do know that they hid underground, the tzhaar and the gnomes I mean. That were my point, you know.. 2, Kinda hard to discuss the symbol. It's below the figure of a man with green beard, which really sounds like Guthix, although we know it's not his symbol. 16:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

RuneHQ recently had an interview with Paul Gower, in this interview, the following was question was asked:

What changes, if any, has the concept art had on the development of a story line? Sometimes we get concept art with elements we don’t expect and then have to decide if we are going to change story to match it. When I came up with the idea of Guthix, I never expected him to take the form of a tentacled skull!

A confirmation of this tentacled skull can be found in the god letters: http://www.runescape.com/img/newsletter/guthix.jpg

The skull really is connected to Guthix.--Madmarkx 18:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * A skull is connected to Guthix... but mostly with his tear, only in ht early god/letters, to give him a face. In armoes of Gielinor, Saradomin is depicted wiht his star, I guess, not with his god letters photo. So, what about the Freneskae Creator-God the Mahjarrat often have skeleton faces... 11:49, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can think of a few reasons why Guthix has a skull associated with him/her/it.


 * In the edicts of Guthix, there are rules for the Grim Reaper.
 * Death maintains balance, because it stops the population from growing too much.
 * God Letters. (not quite the best reason, but still.) 13:11, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Flamtaer
There is no source in-game that Flamtaer is a god, it's only the name of the temple. DobbelB 21:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "The temple is most likely early pagan and devoted to elemental power.", "Temple to the North, is known to the locals as "Flamtaer" holds an interesting story. Local superstition talks about pagan rites and a sacred flame which could 'hold for permanance'. Was said to be involved in marriage cermonies due to "mystical aura".", "Heard some further superstitious nonsense regarding a "sacred-flame" were Flamtaer stood."


 * So, from this we can conclude that in ancient times (Ancient times, so most is likely forgotten) something were worshipped in a temple now known as Flamtaer. Lets theorize; 4 millenia ago, there were small temple in your home town's fringes, were a deity known as Flamtaer were worshipped - So, the temple were known as The temple of Flamtaer. During these four millenias, the worship of Flamtaer decline severely, and eventually fell into the grey mists of history. In your lifetime, the temple were only thought to be some random ruin, called Flamtaer by the locals. Sounds like a possibility to me. Also, we can't deny the fact that something divine were worshipped in Mort'ton. As we don't have a confirmed name for it, I consider it correct to call it Flamtaer, as it's temple were known as that. Antonstaen 10:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought that was a god/supernatural being too. Am I wrong to think that? 01:41, September 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Flamtaer used to be listed here, but after careful reading the ingame texts mentioning it, it appeared that it's the temple itself that is called Flamtaer. 19:35, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * See above. 19:39, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Damn, sorry, missed that... shall we delete this 'chapter'?
 * No, let's merge them. 18:59, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Fremennik "Idols"
OK, first off. When in the game are the Fremennik gods ever referred to as "idols"? I believe Hamal the Chieftain referred to them as spirits but never idols. Thus I believe that section needs to be renamed.

The other thing I want to discuss is that, when you speak to Hamal after Mountain Daughter, he seems to imply that Draugen is one of these Fremennik spirits and Asleif has become one too. When you begin to compare characters like the Draugen and Asleif with deities like Saradomin and Zamorak, can the Fremennik spirits really be considered gods? Just my two cents. 11:30, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Edit: After speaking to Hamal again, he only refers to the Fossegrimen, Draugen and Asleif as spirits, never as gods or deities. He says that the Fossegrimen is "not entirely dissimilar to the Mountain Dottir". When you tell him that you think he's mad, your character mentions that Hamal "ignored and walled in the Bearman because [Hamal] thought he was a god!". This suggests that The Kendal was never originally a god; the Mountain tribe only thought the Kendal was a god based on sightings of the guy in the bear suit.
 * 1. "The guy in the bear suit" says that he based his outfit on a legend about a Fremennik "god". 2. Judging from the fact that the said spirits are worshipped, they can be seen as "wannabe gods", so to speak. Not spirits of the average, summonable kind - Spirits of the divine kind, or so the fremenniks believe. They're called "idols" on this wiki for a reason. Here's Wikipedia's definition of a idol: An idol is a man-made object that is worshiped in some way., and here is their definition for Cult image, on the same page as idol: a religion-neutral term for a man-made object that is venerated for the deity, spirit or daemon that it embodies or represents.. So, on this wiki the term "idol" is used to describe, for example, spirits/other beings worshipped as deities. Antonstaen 18:45, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, that's fair enough. So does that make Asleif and Draugen spirits, or "wannabe gods" too? 11:34, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

I believe that Asleif would qualify. Antonstaen 11:42, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
 * And Draugen? 03:25, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I think the arguments brought forward by MorianS Smith at the bottom of this page are sufficient for that. Antonstaen 14:28, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

God information sections
In every article, there is a section for information on the god. As far as I know, this is all assumption. How do we know the pronunciations and their favourite colours? Look at Pronunciation - we only know the pronunciations of three gods. We should delete all of the sections, and move any of actual true information into other places in the articles. 00:11, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Support as nominator. 00:11, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - yeah this info seems rife with speculation 21:59, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Well, the purpose of this page is to provide a breif description of the gods, so deleting the sections wouldn't really be productive. As for "favorite colors", their chosen colors can be seen in many, many places. Just look at the gear used by their followers. 18:22, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - This is mostly speculation, given what little is revealed about them in the game. 20:16, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Maybe this should be in YG for more comment and an official proposal for all pronouncinations scattered around the wiki. Only confirmed pronouncinations should be listed, as others are speculation which we don't allow. 13:18, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this can be closed if there is no new discussion. It looks like people agree, and because we don't allow speculation, i think you also might have been bold. 09:33, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Accuracy of 2nd age god worship map
While the worship map near the top of the page was obviously well drawn out and illustrated, there are several discrepencies or general holes in current knowledge that need to be addressed. For one thing, Guthix isn't even noted on the map! Yes, Guthixian influence faded somewhat towards the beginning of the 3rd age and few confirmed examples exist of ancient Guthixian communities, but several the locations of several examples (the Gnomes, Dwarves (who lived above ground at that time, likely in an area near the cave that became Keldagrim), and possibly the Myriad in what is now Lumbridge) could be estimated and included.

Another problem is with which areas were controlled by whom. The border shared between Zaros's kingdom and that of the Desert Parthenon was most likely a mixed border between the two, not mixed between Zaros and unknown. The same issue exists for some areas of Karamja island, where all of the islanders are most likely devoted to the Karamjan gods but the map suggests that an unknown deity had control of some of it. As for the area east of Kharryl but north of Hallowvale, it was more likely to be a disputed area between Zaros and Saradomin (since no evidence of settlements from either power are seen there). Another discrepency is that, in fact, Seren and the elves were in control of areas of Kandrin during the 2nd age, but this is not shown by the map.

03:36, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

God's origen?
Is there at all a lot known where teh Gods came from? I don't think so. I mean is Seren, for example in of her kind, like Guthix, or Zaros. We know Zamorak is a member of a species/tribe, but do other gods have something like family (is it genertic family, or allignment based?)? Or are they more like single enteties? Where would this place Sara - and his relationship to Armadyl (who were friends of somesort)?


 * There is mention that they have their own realms, where they are forced to remain after the Edicts were in place. Zamorak's origin is of course Freneskae, but I'm not sure if that is his realm. Perhaps gods create a realm when they ascend, and it is not really there home. I think the desert gods are native, since they are not banished by the Edicts. Saradomin and Armadyl are probably more colleagues than friends, imo. 13:21, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

God relatives
Some while ago i has this random thing in my mind, and i wonder what you(whom ever happen t read this) guvs think of relations between certain gods, now ofc 1 so far being Saradomin - Armadyl, but think about Zamorak - Bandos, they both have quite same 'theme', but no exact. Now as coming to Guthix - Zaros, 1 of only relation being the mystery of them both, even that Guthix's past has been revealed more, but what of Zaros' followers!? It is certain fact he's followers were on good and bade side, aye?.. There then, just made me wonder of it, an unknown mist of whateverelse in my mind that time, hope this inspires to some sort of investigation of any kind, but simply wanted to mention of it as it still were in my mind now, hee hee!

Major Gods Expansion?
Armadyl, Bandos and Zaros should surely not be considered lesser-known gods? They do have a reasonably large group of followers in RuneScape, and most players do know quite a bit about them, even new players. They also have more at least one quest centred on each of them. I vote to have them moved into the major gods category. 17:52, March 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * They're not really lesser-known, but also not major. Saradomin, Guthix and Zamorak are the only ones that have been in the game since the beginning and the only ones known the the Free-to-Play community I believe. We could make a new section with medium gods or something but not sure if that would clear things up. 13:08, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've made a change, maybe this might clear things up a little/come closer to the truth.
 * 11:44, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Current Day Religion pic?
Is there any way we can get a clearer, readable image for the current day religion map? It's always been a pic i've been interested in but even the enlarged image is blurred beyond recognition. Thanks.


 * (1st, pls sign your posts.) On a different note: I don't think that Al Kharid is part of the group that necessarily worships the Menphite pantheon. I haven't seen any statues, symbols are spoken references that they themselves worship those too. So I think the map needs to be re-edited to exlude them from this.
 * 11:40, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Menphite Pantheon page?
I was wondering if I was the only one that was thinking if the Menphite pantheon deserves their own page, instead of being redirected to here. Certainly when you see the pitiful page the Freneskae Creator-God, the Menphites woul have more, and more to contribute. 11:40, July 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Each of the Menaphite deities have their own page though. 14:33, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but the pantheon itself... doesnt that deserve a page? To give it a sort of overview, without having the need to look at all the individual pages? 15:39, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

The deities' gender thing (all male, but 2)
I believe all the deities of runescape are male, except 2: Guthix (neither) and Seren (female). So, why are they 'all' male? Anyone knows? 01:51, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Where does it say that? The word male only occurs twice on the article (in the sections about Saradomin and about Guthix) and three times on this talk page (all in this section). 22:14, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Amscut, Apmeken, Crondis and Elidinis are female as well. Oh, and Brassica sounds female, the Latin word brassica is female after all. 22:19, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, right desert pantheon... i stand corrected. thanks 20:49, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Current Map Inaccuracy
Alright, I see some glaring flaws with the current day map.


 * 1) First off, why is Bandit Camp the only place in the wilderness marked for Zamorak? The entire wilderness is Zamorakian, except, arguably, Mage Arena which would be nuetral. My God even the chaos alters aren't marked Zamorak. Daemonheim does not belong to the Fremmenik. I'd still call that Zamorakian. Possibly Dragonkin area.


 * 1) Then there's the areas near the wilderness. Is Edgeville a Saradominist area? Why is the Chaos Temple marked Saradominist?


 * 1) There's also a lot of blue in Mortyania...Mort'ton is Zamorakian still. The vampires have control. Is Burgh De Rott Saradominist? They protected themselves from Zamorak's forces, but do we know if they follow Saradomin?


 * 1) Barrows could, arguably, be considered Saradominist or Zarosian area.


 * 1) Vampires still control everything west of the ectofuntus, so that should all be red.


 * 1) Wouldn't digsite be Zarosian now that Azzanadra is there? And why is there that blank patch of desert? How is the Duel Arena considered Saradominist? I thought Saradomin was against fighting.


 * 1) The Northern area of Karamja isn't Saradominist as far as I can tell. How the hell is Dark Wizard Tower Saradominist?


 * 1) East Ardougne is possibly Zamorakian seeing how their ruler worships Zamorak.


 * 1) Shouldn't the Necromancer Area and Tower of Life be Zamorakian and Guthixian respectevely?


 * 1) Why on earth is Black Knights Fortress and Draynor Manor Saradominist? The Black Knights are Zamorakian and the count is Zamorakian. Well...he's dead...so maybe that can slide.


 * 1) Doesn't Barbarian village belong to the Fremennik?


 * 1) Shouldn't Soul Wars belong to Saradomin and Zamorak?


 * 1) Shouldn't the lighthouse be under Fremennik?


 * 1) And lastly, the map itself is out of date. For example, you still see Stealing Creation in the wilderness.

67.117.29.43 20:58, March 19, 2012 (UTC) Points of my own: 21:58, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Well, I don't think you should consider the intire Wilderness to be lands belonging to Zamorak, he might favour it, but his forces don´t necessarily control the whole area. It's more of a... ownerless wilderness. If you ask me. But the Chaos altars should be marked as such. Deamonheim, though, is controlled by the Fremmennik, so I do think it should be marked as such.
 * 2) And Edgeville belongs to the empire of Varrock, Misthalin, which (though if is some-what tolerant of other religions) is (still) a Saradomin controlled area. Furthermore, it's close to the (Saradomin) Monastary.
 * 3) I agree with the part about Morytania. Mort'ton maybe should be for... Flamtaer(?). The north of Morytania should be Zamorakian, but the part where the Nature spirit lives, should be Guthixian. About Burg de Rott; the rebellion does control it (certainly later in the quest series) and they are with-out-a-doubt Saradominists (you can even shortly exchange a few words about it). I think in some places in the Meiyerditch, it should be Saradominist... like near the Myreque hide-out.
 * 4) Barrows should be Zarosian, I think... because the Barrow brothers are Sliske's pets, who is Zarosian., he basically controls it.
 * Yes, that part (N-Morytania) should be Zamorakian.
 * 1) Only the (cave) entrence should maybe be Zarosian, as not the whole area is Zaros-controlled, the diggers are digging there under the seal of Varrock, hence it should be Saradomin. The church and nurces at the duel arena are Saradominists, and Saradomin isn't against fighting, he was even in the God wars, besides, duels are just sport. The blank spot in the desert should be updated...(the whole map) it's Sara area now with One Piercing Note. And the Piramid in the Desert near the Quarry should be Zarosian. And Al Kharid... I don't know WHAT religion it holds... might even be Saradominist, or neutral for all we know, they only spy on the Desert Pantheon people, doesn't mean they follow the same religion, didn't see any sign of that.
 * 2) The Dark Wizard Tower should indeed be Zamorakian...But Brimhaven and Musa point seem to be some sort of colony like thing... idk about what religion they hold... maybe they are better left neutral.
 * 3) Yes Ardy is a difficult thing... Maybe we should make the Castle Zamorakian... because the rest of Ardy is clearly underneath Sara influence, to highlight the Castle we can make a subtle but clear distinction.
 * Yes, Necro and Life tower should be Zamorakian and Guthixian respectively. The Goblin settlement, uncoloured near the Observatory should be Bandos(?)
 * 1) I agree, but I think maybe the Draynor Area should be striped, shared Saradominist and Zamorakian. Because depending on where you are in the quest, it differs. Untill you defeat him, even the village is under the terror of the Zamoriakian Vampyre count.
 * 2) The Barbarian Village does belong to the Fremmenik religion, yes.
 * 3) Soul's Wars isn't a war between Sara and Zammy, right, it's a war for the Nomad's aim. It's a cause besides the gods.
 * 4) idk..
 * Yes, map needs updating.
 * 1) Bandos: Goblin village?
 * 2) Zamorakian: Keep le Fay. Andwhat about McGrubor's woods... since he gives the ZMI-Wicked hood... maybe that should be Zammy?
 * 3) Guthix: Phoenix area? Dwarven mine area should be Guthixian, since dwarfs mostly are. And maybe the Dwarven entrence tunnels in Relleka and Catherby should be marked Guthix too?
 * 4) Zaros: Char's area, formt he Firemakers' curse quest?
 * 5) Marimbo: The monkey colony in the desert?
 * 6) Mobilising Armies: is that really Bandos area?
 * 7) Fremmenik? Lunar isle??


 * Oh, btw, the correct place to actually discuss this is here: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/File_talk:5thage_religion.png#Corrections Let's continue there ;) 22:09, March 19, 2012 (UTC)