Talk:Zaros

"It is theorised that the goblins worshipped him as the goblin god." Theorised by who? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 06:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Removed the sentence. Chaoticar 03:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Please do not remove my contributions. I really look up this stuff. 68.100.88.213
 * So where does it come from? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  22:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well it's either him or Zamorak, hence me putting the "It is theorised that the goblins worshipped him as 'the goblin god'.". Also I wrote that, and I believe that I had the right to remove it, as an editor. Chaoticar 07:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The evidence is ingame. In a goblin book (from the Cave Goblins), it details a 'Big High War God' (BHWG) who sought aid from various races.

No god is referred to by name, instead they use things like 'God of Shiny Light'. Some think that the BHWG is Zamorak, but in the text it also mentions a 'Fire God' (or similar) that sound much more like Zamorak. So, by process of elimination, BHWG is Zaros or some previously unsuspected, violent deity.

Pfft. I also removed some fancrap in the "Betrayal" section ('He tried to choke Zamorak', completely unfounded, I HAVE the original battle convo in picture form).

WIth the release of the god dungeon we now know that goblins do not follow zaros, they follow bandos. --Mrs' skilly 13:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC) Kang227 14:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well they follow Bandos now, but there's no reason that suggest that they've always followed Bandos. And besides, we already know that Bandos didn't create the goblins (Land of the Goblins Quest), he merely found them in Yu'biusk then took them to Runescape as war minions. Obviously the goblins were created by someone, or something else, which could very well be Zaros. I'll research a bit more on this topic.

Shouldn't this mention Robert the Strong in the Reincarnation? section? I mean, if Bob IS the reincarnation of Zaros then Rob must've been as well. 12:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe that Zaros is a Neutral god, respectively. But Saradomin and Zamorak seem to accept that they are good, and evil (personally, I think both are evil) This always led me to confusion.

New Zaros talk
In a recent KB article, the one about Bounty Hunter;

''In the centre of the Wilderness, bounded on all sides by the desolation of the god wars, crouches a volcano. Not quite dormant, the massive crater that bears witness to the violence of its birth is home to Mandrith, Guardian of the Crater. In the earliest days of man's existence on RuneScape, this volcano was the site of the first murder, and for this reason an unnamed god cracked and split the earth to give the volcano life. ''


 * Un-named god = Zaros 67.159.50.90 14:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * But can you be sure that it's Zaros? 22:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody likes to talk to him ingame, so it is possible, but NOT likily. In a harry potter sense, Its like saying you-know-who instead of voldemort.--Pkthis 00:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Removing the Trivia that says "Zaros one of the few gods without a section in the God wars area." false for the following reasons: since god wars area only has 4 gods out of 24 known gods, as 20 out of 24 gods aren't in it, also as the god wars started after Zammorak became a god he wouldn't have even been in the god wars anyway. Chaos knight 22:54, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Source guide
Dear Reldo

This is actually my second response to your letter. The first one I realised was unsatisfying to your request. Firstly, it was too long, secondly, it dealt with many more conflicts than the Mahjarrat, and I realised that it was the Mahjarrat’s history and what has happened to them that you were interested in knowing.

And so, without further delay, here’s my version, based around historical facts, stories and events that I have laid my eyes and ears upon.

The Mahjarrat is a race of strong warriors, who originally came from another world, known to us only as Freneskae. This world was a world of constant warfare, which is why the Mahjarrat have come to become as strong as they are. The Mahjarrat are not by any means immortal, but their strength is far superior to most of the beings in RuneScape, and their lifespan far longer than humans. When the Mahjarrat first came in saradomins mouth, they served under the desert god Icthlarin, the god of the dead. Then one day, during the second age, another god approached them and asked them to serve under his rule, this god was the dread lord Zaros, a name which has almost been forgotten by the world, as the Saradominists have done everything in their power to delete all traces of his existence throughout the ages. The Mahjarrat Azzanadra said of Zaros that this god understood the Mahjarrat and their ways much better than Icthlarin, and that Icthlarin had never controlled the Mahjarrat, and in all honesty, I don’t think any god could possibly control the Mahjarrat against their will. The Mahjarrat eventually abandoned Icthlarin and joined forces with Zaros, and with them in his army he quickly became the ruler of large parts of the land.

It was when Zaros had become the strongest of Gods that Zamorak, merely a mortal Mahjarrat at the time and the general of Zaros’s forces, had grown power hungry. Zamorak wished to take the power for himself, and so, with the help of some fellow Mahjarrat and the Vampyre Lord Drakan, he managed to get his hands on the Staff of Armadyl, a very powerful weapon.

Zamorak then encountered Zaros, wielding the Godstaff of Armadyl, but even though Zamorak had the help of a god's weapon, he was still not able to defeat Zaros. It was then that Zaros tripped and fell onto the Godstaff of Armadyl, which impaled him. A bright light was seen, and both began to fade out of existence. The battle was over and they were both gone, and as a result the Zaros' pants quickly fell to Saradomin’s penis without a condom to defend it.

But then one day Zamorak reappeared, reborn and now immortal. The Staff of Armadyl had transferred some of Zaros’ godly powers to Zamorak, and he was now a god himself. The following thing that happened was the God Wars between the god Saradomin, Zamorak, Bandos and Armadyl.

While Zamorak and Zaros were gone, the Zamorakian and the Zarosian Mahjarrat fought, many were killed and more were trapped. Below I will explain about each individual Mahjarrat I have come to know of, who they are aligned to, and what has happened to them.

Let’s start with the Zamorakian Mahjarrat.

Hazeel: Hazeel is one of the physically strong Mahjarrats, he was a good friend of Zamorak and helped him betray Zaros. Hazeel eventually gained control of Ardougne, but was later overthrown by a mob and killed. Hazeel was later resurrected and has headed north to meet with the other Mahjarrat.

Lucien: Lucien is a physically weak Mahjarrat, he helped betay Zaros by casting a spell on the Godstaff of Armadyl so that Zaros could not feel its presence. Lucien recently tried to get his hands on the Godstaff of Armadyl once again, but I prevented him from doing so. Lucien is expected to be heading north to meet with the other Mahjarrat.

Enakhra: Enakhra managed to trap the Zarosian Mahjarrat Akthanakos in a temple which she built as a dedication to her loyalty to Zamorak. I managed to free Akthanakos and they have both headed north to fight.

Zemouregal: Zemouregal is known from the Legend of Arrav, he’s known to be able to infiltrate one's dreams and to be able to summon and control the undead. I speculate that Zemouregal is going to perform an attack on Varrock soon, and I fear that it will be with an undead Arrav by his side.

Now, onto the Zarosian Mahjarrat.

Azzanadra: Azzanadra is probably Zaros’ most loyal servant, and most likely also his strongest. Azzanadra is as close as a mortal can get to immortality, which is why he was trapped in a Pyramid, rather than killed. I managed to free Azzanadra from his prison during my travels, and in exchange he granted me the ability to use the Ancient Magicks of the Mahjarrat. I expect that Azzanadra will be heading north to fight the Zamorakian Mahjarrat.

Akthanakos: Akthanakos was, as I mentioned earlier, trapped by Enakhra. After I freed him he went to battle with Enakhra, I expect that they have probably headed north.

Sliske: Sliske is the last of the known Mahjarrat loyal to Zaros. He is known from the tale The Fall of the Six, and is the one who granted the Barrows Brothers their powers to fight Zamorak’s evil hordes. I will continue to try to uncover more information about Sliske, but as of now this is all I know.

Other possible Mahjarrat is the Oracle. She looks like Hazeel, and she’s definitely been in this world for a long time, but I can’t seem to figure out where her allegiance is and how she’s connected to the others.

I was once told by a wise gnome, who had the ability to see into the future, that amongst the Mahjarrat will be someone else, someone who does not belong there, someone who will fight them. I do not know who this person is, but I have a bad feeling that I’m going to be involved further in this matter.

I heard somewhere that there were about 100 Mahjarrats when they first came to RuneScape; by now, though, some must’ve died from age, others in battle. I don’t think we have yet uncovered all of the remaining Mahjarrat, but I don’t think there are much more than 10 of them left. It has been many ages and they have been at war for most of them.

I hope any of this have helped on your understanding of the Mahjarrat.

So, until the dark times must be fought Baralai22, Adventurer

Starting to see a pattern of some sort here.......
Have you ever noticed that for the non-wildernessteleport spells in the ancient magicks spellbook, there is always a trapdoor or some sort of underground entrance nearby? to clarify, the edgeville teleport will take you to edgeville dungeon, nearby an entrance/exit, the dig site teleport is closeby to where you can go underground using a winch, the ice mountain teleport is close by to the dwarven mine, and the canfis teleport is nearby to the basement in the tavern.

Whereas for the wilderness teleport, there is NO sort of trapdoor/underground accessway that is nearby.

Perhaps at one point in time, the non-wilderness cities were linked by tunnels, which allowed the transportation and distributation of goods/people/information, exc.? Its just a theorm, but it may be worth investigating.

I also believe that, if the non-wilderness cities had tunnels nearby, then this must state that the cities in the wilderness were merely just fortresses.--Pkthis 00:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Zaros: A marvelous ranger?
I'd sure like some kinda citation for this line. Any volunteers? Sir Revan125 21:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Zaros:Alignment

 * i believe i've stumbled upon zaros's alignment. FEAR or The Darkness. if you study upon his names, you can figure out that, fear leaves a empty feeling inside of you, and hopelessness also leaves a empty and dark feeling inside of you. i also believe he could be the god of Negativity. the example of the negativity theory is that the ancient staff takes prayer from you, and he seems to be feared by the positive gods. i also believe he could be fear god because he is sometimes refered to as the dread lord.   [[File:P_hauberk.PNG‎ ]]  floppyc5  [[File:Ancient_Tally.png‎ ]]   01:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

"Long live Magicks; Long live Zaros!   Xana Attack    
 * That's a good theory, but only a theory, Zaros's views on Good and Evil / Right and Wrong / Justice and Chaos (and so on) are still mainly unknown. He his referred to as Unknown Power, Empty Lord, ect... it's still a mystery to many of us. We can only hope that Zaros's past, present and future will be revealed soon.

Possible return?
now I'm just making a theory here but i think zaros might come back in some way in the future. after all zammy seemed pretty freaked out at his name in zammy god letter and from what i can gather zaros isn't definitely dead, just weakened and banished. and with that stone of jas out there he could restore himself. and once he is back, zammy is going to be on the look to kill him, this time for sure. which would make for one great quest. now this is going far off the deep speculation end but When Zaros Returns sounds like a good name for a follow up to While Guthix Sleeps --75.192.121.3 14:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Zaros is returning, proof. The return of Zaros has been hinted twice in the second Q & A on March 5: Quoted from the second Q & A - All rights go to Jagex
 * Q) Fitzcairn - Zaros's return has been hinted at for a long time now. Will it be achieved this year?

- And
 * A) Mod Mark - Zaros likes to remain mysterious about such things, and isn’t likely to let even us know when he intends to return. However, a select team of developers led by Paul is trying to find out :)
 * Q) Darth Stefan - Will there be a second God Wars?

- If you look at issue 15's of the GOD Letter it shows Zaros grave and Zamorak's reaction to the mentioning of Zaros
 * A) Mod Mark - We have strong ideas for another high level dungeon, but it’s not likely to be another God Wars...ah, hang on...are you asking me if there will be another actual war of the gods? I’d say that was very likely, especially with the return of Z being talked about so much and Guthix still fast asleep. They do like to take matters into their own hands.
 * Other: And in one of the Anagrams of From Postage from the Hedge by the Chaos Element; when the anagram is solved it is Zaros will be reborn

Zaros will return, that's an actual fact. I'm assuming that Lucien either wants to succeed Zamorak and have Zaros banished, or Succeed Zamorak and help Zaros return to power. Idunnolol. 87.80.83.70
 * When the lord zaros returns all those who followed zamorak shall be smote, the kingdoms of sara shall be smote and the zamorakian kingdom of kandrian will be crushed.--Jakezing2 23:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Same guy who started the topic here. Cool info i dug up, the barrows brothers may be enlisted in Zaros' army. in The Fall of Six it says "You shall stand ever vigilant for His return" since the only god who has left, and there for can return, is Zaros. The next question this raises is who is the stranger? We know he has visited the east, because that is where karil's bolt racks come from. This is really jumping off the deep end but Lucien has been around long enough and may support Zaros. Also I move that Lucien has a page made of evidence about his loyalty --70.198.35.192 23:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I highly doubt zammy will be able to kill zaros. I believe Guthix will reawaken and fight zaros since zaros would be violating the Edicts of Guthix. I also believe the "guess whos back" message could be a reference to santa clause as well, it was posted in December after allpyrolord 20:24, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

But Zaros isn't affected by the Edicts of Guthix, so how can he break them?Kenneth C. L. 04:23, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Updated with new information->zaros trivia
i didnt know if the trivia fact about the zaros grave being near the goblin village was the same as the large grave i found next to the mind altar so i put it separate, but if it is can someone edit it or something, i included the examined text because it seemed like a hint that there is something big hidden underneath that large grave =P

Actually most gravestones do NOT depict the Zaros symbol. Most gravestones portray a Celtic Cross ( a circle with a + sign in it. The Zaros symbol has an X through a circle NOT a +.

In fact, the only place in the game where there ARE Zarosian gravestone is in the Yanille Agility Dungeon. They did not used to be there but they have been updated to the Zarosian symbol. Plus I went by and checked the grave by the mind altar; it is in fact a Celtic cross, rather than the Ancient symbol that Zaros uses. - Lord Drakan

ancient statuette
since it is no longer zaros statuette, it is no longer a zarosian item. its now just a old item.

But Zaros made ancient magicks, so I belive that most ancient things (espicially if they used to be associated with him) can be associated with Zaros. Kenneth C. L. 04:27, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Uzer
In the article it says that the city of Uzer worshipped Zaros when it still existed. I never read any proof of that, and I'm pretty sure Uzer was a Saradominist city. Maybe people link the Mahjarrat to Zaros, but the Mahjarrat were in the service of Icthlarin during their time in the desert. Hippodo 3113 16:12, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, both Saradomin and Zamorak attacked the desert cities, and they only had one enemy in common: Zaros. Also, two of the Mahjarrat that are still loyal to him, Akthanakos and Azzanadra (and possibly Wahisietel if he turns out to be Ali the Wise) "live" in the desert. 16:14, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Saradomin never attacked Uzer right? And so what if Zarosian Mahjarrat live in the desert, doesn't mean Uzer is Zarosian. Hippodo 3113 16:19, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thammaron destroyed Uzer. After Thammaron was killed, Azzanadra wiped out what was left of his army. 22:13, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

First god?
Is Zaros the first god we actually see ingame? I've heard bandos, but never saw him. Am I right? 80.101.62.155 13:12, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Nope, we've seen Guthix in Meeting History I think. 84.31.4.169 18:45, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

actually, the elder gods were first, followed by Guthix and the stone of Jas, then all the other ones excluding zamorak which is the last one.XXstaticXX 23:31, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * XXstaticXX is spot on. 23:49, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Not right. The question was, is Zaros the first one which we see in-game. First one was Guthix, then Zaros, and we haven't seen the rest yet. 06:43, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Still not right. We also saw Icthlarin and Amascut in Icthlarin's Little Helper. They are both gods. 22:09, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * So, in order of the quest releases, we saw:


 * Icthlarin (Icthlarin's Little Helper)
 * Amascut (Icthlarin's Little Helper)
 * Guthix (Meeting History)
 * Bandos (The Chosen Commander)If you'd like to count "hearing" a god and seeing it's power forced into a glass-like avatar as "seeing" a god, then Bandos comes fourth.
 * Zaros (The Temple at Senntisten)

''Again, Bandos should only be counted depending on what subject you're talking about. There's a difference between "see" and "interact", we don't directly see Bandos.''

22:16, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

But if the wanderer during Icthlarin's little Helper is Amascut (correct me if I'm wrong) then technically we see her before Icthlarin, though we don't know it's her, so she comes first, not second.Kenneth C. L. 04:32, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

edicts of guhtix
i dont think he violated them, seeing as guthix, or at least juna, approves of him coming back.

The only reason why i guess it doesn't violate the edicts of guthix is because Zaros will probably be reborn from the mahjarrat ritual, from the staff of Armadyl and Stone of Jas. And armadyl will notice how his weapon has been used so he will return to govern gielanor. So in the end it will be Zaros Zamorak Guthix Saradomin Armadyl where Guthix is balance, zamorak and zaros are the evil ones, and saradomin and armadyl. So it will be even where 2 are bad, 1 neutral, 2 good


 * I don't think the Mahjarrat would summon Zaros at their ritual, since most of them are Zamorakian and fear Zaros. 06:44, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

An idea I dnno where to put
Zemouregal said on his notes about Akthanakos that though Zaros freed tem from the desert gods, he wont understand the path of chaos. That means Zaros might not be a good guy but hes not the bad guy. Someone put this up onto the page? - KingBlackChicken

Interestingly, this could show more info on his allignment. It seems that, though he is "Evil", he is on the path of order rather than chaos. --User:Derekwinston; The 3mporer, Hail Zamorak. 07:44, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * We don't even know whether he's evil or not. Hippodo 3113 12:16, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Zaros' Personality
I believe that the latest Mahjarrat quest stated something about Zaros' actual personality, that he is not a god of pure evilness, but a god of power, he is power greedy and thrives to dominate, in a non-evil way, and lives with the most extreme style, and immediately jealous of those who seem better than him, and will do to lengths to overthrow and dominate and become the best. DragonGnexus 17:12, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

This could be said for many of the Gods though, Saradomin, Zamorak and the Mahjarrat were jealous and envious of Zaros' power, therefore they tried to overthrow him and take his Kingdom and Power for themselves and they all want 'control' of Runescape and to be the best.

That wasn't jealousy though it was fear. pyrolord 20:52, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

If you actually did the new quests, you would know that guthix is awaiting zaros return for then the pretender god zammy will be gone and balance will be closerXXstaticXX 21:55, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Guthix doesn't know Zaros exists. He was sleeping during his existence. DragonGnexus 10:10, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Guthix does know that zaros existed, since his followers, specifically Juna who is stuck in a cave know of zaros and approve his arrival. When you do the quests, you will find out XXstaticXX 21:59, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Just because his followers know doesn't mean he knows. He WAS and still IS asleep.pyrolord 20:42, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Juna and other guthix followers state that guthix knows of ZAROS, just very little, and guthix is AWAITING HIS RETURN! XXstaticXX 23:04, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...
I've noticed that the pronounciation of Zaros' name has changed to a likely incorrect pronounciation. Could someone provide proof of the pronounciation? If not then I propose it be changed back to the old one. I have a feeling it is actually pronounced similar to how you say the word "Zeros" except with an "A" replacing the "E", while the "O" is pronounced as "ō".

Ex. zR-Ohs or ZAR-Ohs

Also, should'nt the Ancient Statuette be included in the list of related items? It was called the Zaros Statuette when first released, and only because questers complained was it's name changed so as not to reveal Zaros' name before players completed the Digsite quest. It really should be included seeing as all of the other high level PvP drops are God-related items.
 * Afaik, the pronunciation isn't mentioned anywhere, so it should probably be removed. About the ancient statuette, go ahead and put it back, but mention that it used to be called the zaros statuette. 02:10, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

ancient statuette
the ancient statuette IS NOT A ZAROS ITEM. there is absolutely no evidence what so ever to suggest it is. what it used to be called does not matter aether- if a saradomin sword was renamed a zamorak sword, would u still call it a saradomin item?
 * But the word ancient is usually afiliated with Zaros. Ex. Ancient Staff. 03:33, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

ancient diary, ancient bones...those arnt zarosian, but they are ancient.

The ancient statuette was originally called "Zaros Statuette" so there is proof that is it indeed of zarosian origin. Mewlink2 23:30, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

but it isnt called that anymore, thus that is 195% irrevelant.

195% is a mathematical improbability in the context you're using it, and it can be affiliated with Zaros because, as said before, it used to be called, "Zaros statuette" (Fyi, if you don't know what some of the words I'm using, check a dictionary) : ) Kenneth C. L. 04:39, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ. All ancient stuff has Zarosian origins. I would say it's 100% relevant. -- 04:34, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

zaros plans to betray us?
When you ask Azzanadra about Zaros' plan, and ask if Zaros wants your help, he basically avoids the question, saying something along the lines of 'you will be useful'. Perhaps Zaros plans to use then lose us? 58.161.208.186 05:24, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

all speculation. 17:22, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think that is somewhat unlikely...he gave us ancient magicks and curses...I think Zaros will reward us...or perhaps he just will use us as cannon fodder (not wanting us to die, but necessary for him to return), but we will surprisingly live through it. -- Haloolah123  21:38, February 10, 2010 (UTC)