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Raffle Entry: Ikillyou565
This entry is for week 145.

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Thanks! 03:33, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Raffle Entry:
The 4th Dr.



First time doing this posting thing, so please don't hurt me. Sly Fawkes (talk) 01:09, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

PS. Derpy Hooves is best pony

Week 121 Raffle Entry: Dr_Vector
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Week 187 raffle entry: isogashii
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Raffle Entry:Japol1Cheez
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Raffle Entry: Geotim90 - Week 209
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=Talk Page=

first
because ponies 16:11, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Banned from clan?
Cool. All I can say is whatever. I honestly don't care anymore. I lost 6k orts... eh. Bottom line is that I got treated like crap in there anyways. Nobody would take out the avatar, there was too much drama in there. I really don't know what to say... rank-ups don't make sense whatsoever. Uhh yeah, I really have lost interest in joining again. I probably won't even get invited back anyways. 12:56, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Gratz
On your all skills "at least" 99! Rich Farmbrough, 16:31 6 October 2012 (UTC).

Max cape
GRATZ ON GETTING 99 IN ALL SKILLS!!!!1

http://imageshack.us/a/img171/6654/gazlloyd99.png

16:33, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Gaz, I won't be on for a couple days, my internet is most likely going down (for an unpredicatble amount of time). I just wanted to inform you. King kolton9 (talk) 20:06, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

HAI
Someone apparently felt the need to beg me into adding them just to have me link you to this thread. INB4 not a single fuck was given that day. 05:31, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

math tag have a white background, not transparent
This page look awful. Fix it please.

Also I just noticed the same in the preview window of this post under "Edit Summary:" http://images.wikia.com/runescape/images/math/a/b/4/ab452b0269a4f32fdd8d6a2453d6123f.png

Also your stupid pony is not letting me click "Back" or "Save page" in the bottom of the preview window. 02:10, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * This can be changed through localsetting.php or whatever it's called -- 21:39, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Almost certainly a staff thing. 21:44, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Le Donate
Going to donate to the Raffle next time I see you on. After all, I've won 3 consecutive times in a row SHUTUPPOOPREADER. so I feel the need to donate back. 06:14, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Fight kiln written guide: http://pastebin.com/ctrnCvfF Sky x flyer (talk) 17:42, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Clan Kickin'

Hey Gazzy, if you haven't kicked me yet, could you hold off on it? I haven't been active due to college and plan on getting reactive within the next month or so.

01:57, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

test test test
test test supertest PONIES 20:50, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Event suggestion
Hi Gazy Lloydy. I have an event suggestion, but it is quite to your opinion. I want to talk to you privately sometimes on IRC or in-game. Thank you, 13:52, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * NVM! 01:39, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Gareth is a noob
I see neither of us have changed our avatars. 23:22, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

I win
Hi. I just noticed that by measure of edit count, the only completely accurate and foolproof measure of editorial superiority, I am now better than you. Have a nice day, lowly editor. -- 14:10, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hurr
Happy birthday Gazleton2#$@# <3 06:26, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * RAHHHHH HAPPY BIRTHDAY GAZ -- 22:23, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * BIRTHDAY GAZ LEWD, BIRTHDAY! 01:51, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

RAHH I am a stalker
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5029/stalkiv.png

-- 23:15, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Epitome of all things bad
You are the epitome of all things bad.

From that one sentence you will probaly ban me but that will just prove that i have won and that you are nothing but a parthetic twelve year old kid that cannont face his problems and has to resort to easier means to achieve what he wants.24.185.54.143 01:32, December 19, 2012 (UTC)BILL
 * Bad Gaz Lewd, bad! 01:50, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pathetic* 02:03, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Witch the message at the end of your name is retarted and not funny in any way69.112.61.77 17:08, December 20, 2012 (UTC)Bob
 * You mean my IRL name, Rhys Jones? If you think that it's a sick and twisted joke over the teenager that was shot and killed in Liverpool a few years ago, you're actually very wrong. 18:13, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all I'm not talking about you as you can see i said "Witch" at the beginning of my sentence, indicating that i was clearly talking about the person called sea witch that changed her name. Secondly if you had to jump to conclusions to defend your name than i would think now that it is some kind of sick and twisted joke.24.185.55.156 15:02, January 2, 2013 (UTC)Annoyed



You have an assigment
Plan a party. Make it free-to-play. And make it awesome. Do this, and I'll give you a partyhat. I'll show up to inspect its awesomeness. 02:56, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you have obtained Taskmaster back 19 hours after I did.

http://i.imgur.com/jYd0ym4.png

-- 22:54, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Long Horse
You wont believe the seed name to get this world. 11:28, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: Its not Long Horse 11:31, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

I might be gone for a while
My computer is trashed, I have temporary access to another computer. I might (and probably) not be on for a while. Please excuse my absence from the Clan Chat, and do not kick me. 22:01, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

You've been invited to my Max cape party!
''Change of date for Max cape party... please re-read.'' Bren's Max cape Party Thursday, 14 February 2013 at 7:00PM EST World 91 at Varrock East Bank

21:00, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

2013 RSW Family Photo
The 2013 RSW Family Photo is in! Feel free to check it here! See you all again next year, 06:16, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

:D
http://i.imgur.com/XEvFxjP.gif

14:03, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Drop log question
Hey, I have some questions in regards to creating a drop log. (Posting a message here, as I saw that you were the one who made the Jadinko data template.) First of all, browsing your user pages, I found a link to RS:STYLE, does this imply that creating a new drop log is something that is either simply forbidden or should first be discussed? (I'd like to create one for the various Bird's nests; as I have some time to meddle about this weekend while mining in LRC.) Secondly, is there any way to make and test a Template, without actually creating a page in the Template: namespace first (or is there a proper spot to sandbox new templates)? The latter of course in the assumption a new drop log wouldn't be against protocol. Regards, fellow 83.101.44.209 11:00, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

I wonder what the best approach is, though, to create the log for Bird's nests. On one end you could have one big template, including all seeds, eggs and rings; or you could make a log per type of nest, and a separate log to determine the ratio of seed nests : ring nests : egg nests. The latter could allow people who only care about (for example) the seed nests to still submit their data for that log; without skewing the other statistics (aka, they'd only contribute to the "seed bird's nest" log, and not the "bird's nest log" or the other, specific ones). 83.101.44.209 16:29, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your detailed reply. Is it possible to create a subpage of the RS:SAND page for testing, and clean it up // have it cleaned up afterwards? I have been keeping my own data in monthly batches since mid-2012. While I also have large batches of data from back in 2007-2008, I do believe it will be outdated; if not simply because of the raven eggs you mentioned. But I should have enough data to give it a proper start.

I Will Probably Be Absent
Due to personal reasons I might not even log on for sof, so please excuse me from the montly kicking. 00:10, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

twatter
i'm doing exams at the mo, pls man the twatter until the 15th if you can (I know you just finished college, if you're too busy as well then pretend this never happened). 18:09, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Loots
http://puu.sh/3brsz.jpg http://puu.sh/3brsX.jpg And full dragon ceremonial.

01:22, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

so every time i post something, text isnt normal... how do i type normal... some guy told me to use source kode or whatever, like thing, that im using right now.... so this is it ? this is how they all type.... basicly old style ? --xAsmir (talk) 10:55, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

So sorry
Fuck, I lost the battle

You were right, I was very wrong

I will never give up

And now for the real apology:

I'm sorry I'm a twat

Please excuse me; I'm dumb

You have won the war 11:05, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

So in other words I'm just supposed to accept that apparently I'm incapable of making any sort of decision by myself...I am getting real fed up people assuming they know what the issue is when they don't. Not all my actions are linked directly to Ansela 20:21, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

PP
I'm stealing her for my own use. 20:24, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Cuz caek
Don't know if it still works, I wrote it a while ago, but just so you know, here's my parser. 00:01, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * You noob. 00:05, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Hai
I have no idea how this happened, but I seem to have fixed it. 11:57, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

You're invited to my trim party!
Find out the details here. --BrenRS (talk) 02:28, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

re:fetus
yes -- 03:46, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Youtubeplayer Instructions up to date
Hey you may not be the person or you may I am on a hunt to find the Youtubeplayer instructions because the ones we found were a little expired can you gives a walk through on http://cwacharacter.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_Wars_Adventures_Character_Wiki thanks if you can help or send someone to help YOLO = You obviously love Octavia!

== Avatar==

You still haven't changed it, huh. Well, I'm not changing mine either. 23:39, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

hi
08:13, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Event
Yo. Time for another race? I've got some free time next weekend if you can spare a couple hours. - 15:33, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Battle plan: Advertise, round up CC regulars for checkpoints, find a map, spend donation money, bask in warm fuzziness. - 15:37, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Events team
I made a Google Drive (Google Docs) page for the E.T. PM me your email and Ill invite you. 11:40, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

Minecraft map
Hi Gaz, I asked you a looooong time ago if you were willing to playtest a minecraft map. Well, I finally got around to finishing it >_>. If you're still interested, you can download it here. Stewbasic (talk) 14:27, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

I Won't Be in the Clan for a While
I managed to get internet for a short amount of time, so I decided to leave a message so I don't get booted from the clan for inactivity. I have no idea when I'll be able to log on again 19:19, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Congratz
Congratz completing the 99 div and 120 dg, and getting the comp cape. 09:21, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

rsw
kick me then I never liked you anyway gaz llewd if that is your real name 17:09, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Clan chat
Lol, you can't get rid of me that easily. I'll definitely be logging in before the holidays are over. Dtm142 (talk) 18:43, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Clan Chat
Gee, you caught me! Feel free to take me off the list; it's been a while since I've gotten on. Hope all is well with you, and Merry Christmas! Muzzy34 - Talk 04:10, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

GWR
Here,s Wart's post Gaz.

http://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1tlzgw/this_finally_came_in_the_post_a_few_days_ago_d/

-- 23:55, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Yo Doge I Heard You Like Pone and Wallpaper
When I saw this, I laughed, and thought you might, too: http://i.imgur.com/QDM1LvA.png  22:19, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Clan Removal
Go ahead Gaz, I'm not really playing anymore, you can remove me from the clan. Hope you have fun. 23:45, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

ET advertising
There is a thread on the fansite forums where you can tell Infinity about upcoming events, and he'll post them on FB or Twitter or something. If the event is announced early enough and isn't on the weekend, he can post it on the forums and get other J-mods and players to attend too. 21:52, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Warden?
Prease? :D 04:51, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

You've got mail
I sent you an e-mail on 26 February. Pls respond. 13:51, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * I've never noticed the third L. Slippery character. Resent. 16:01, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

2014 RSW Family Photo
The 2014 RSW Family Photo is in! Feel free to check it here! See you all again next year, 21:48, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Y u break dis?
20:43, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Message for all Events Team members
I cannot get Jagex to advertise our events if the event pages are unfinished. Pages empty, banner images unused, and not copying the page onto RS:ET are all hindering my ability to advertise. Jagex has even told me that they want to tweet about our events but they can never find the events on RS:ET. To find the Nex event, I had to search through all of your contributions. If you want me to advertise events on Twitter and through Jagex, you all need to stay on top of things. 15:58, April 18, 2014 (UTC)

pls
fix latter 2 callumbs 16:35, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Dg pure
U can du any daily challenge that mem skill

http://i.imgur.com/wWJtvUK.png

http://i.imgur.com/CSq7l3o.png

00:37, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Event idea
clan warssssssssssssssssssssssssss-- 22:38, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * And bgrrrrrrr -- 15:50, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

Aura page move
I think something went wrong with the Master call of the sea aura page move. Both the original page (without 'aura') and the new page redirect to the new page; the content page is gone... IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:45, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

HLF = source
'''HLF ... is not a verifiable source.'''

Lol, so cuz you noobs can't access it you will deny its existance, and the truth it holds? Stay ignorant then, fine. Nub.

http://puu.sh/aL8vS/46c0581c26.png

Shinigamidaio (talk) 12:14, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry
sorry for my "Elitism" and "confrontational attitude" c if i care, i simply "strongly dislike" ponylovers + you have been a massive D to me before in the past when you were acting "elitist" so .. don't be a hypocrit.

Sorry if other ppl cant access HLF, and no, its not AT ALL like pmod/fmod/clan forums ... how do you even make up this stuff.... if you have access to hlf (which i dont doubt you do) you should know that jmods respond more there then on the normal forums, so sayin "we gonna ignore all of that" just because 80% cant access it ... thats just stupid, we can so we show it to the other 80% that way everyone gets the same amount of information & knowledge, to hide behind, "yea but they cant see it, so you cant tell them" is simply ....stupid.

P.S. Don't bother posting on my wall again, I'm not interrested in what you have to say, I've watched you for the past 3 years, and nothing has changed my oppinion in this matter.

Shinigamidaio (talk) 17:02, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

Raffle Reward Extention Request
Hi Gaz, I have a raffle reward expiring soon and I am hoping to get an extension. I probably won't be able to log on much (if at all) this coming week. Could it please be held an addition few weeks please?

Thank you very much,

Jace Kenai

03:36, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Edit warring
Hardly edit warring when I reverted one edit... My problem is that none of the things he says make sense. >.> 14:56, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * True, but it's not possible to have any form of discussion with him, seeing that he seems to be unable to accept that he is not always right. Amongst other things. Hoc dicto, I always try to make sure I stick to 3RR (and UTP for that matter, but the same cannot be said of his condescension...). Apologies if I made an excess revert or something; my mistake. 17:29, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

You said that you don't know what the problem is between us two, would you like to know, or are you not at all interested in that and just want the edit warring to stop? zjust so I don't bore you and waste both our time. 00:04, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hi
Feel free to remove me from the Clan Chat if you need any room. I won't be active on RS for now (I'm not sure when I will be). 13:18, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

pls
pls 12:24, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Runefest 2014 Attendees' Wiki Names?
Gaz, I didn't catch everyone's (anyone's) wiki names yesterday. Can you pls gimme a who's who? 12:56, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

legios
User:The Mol Man/Pone bosses 01:17, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

Christmas
Is the Events Team planning anything for Christmas? Idk if you got the email but Jagex wants to know. 21:58, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sooo any luck? Jagex can give out "concept art, wrist bands, lanyards, books, bonds, membership and some other cool stuff too" for Christmas event rewards etc. 20:08, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

omfg
im makin this edit on streeeeeeeem 01:49, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

REPLY
Bad example, your text was completely white. The RSFont template is set to have black shadow outlines on the text. Whether it is to aid in reading or whatever it's purpose is, it makes the white text in the white background readable. If readability is the case, why not just remove the RSFont in general? It is no difference to using normal quotation marks if colour is not of our concern.

I can not, and will not sacrifice precision and correctness for something that could be done alternatively instead. In no other website (from what I know) could we know what colour texts are. With the increasing number of coloured texts used lately on the game, sacrificing it's information just because someone can't read (and again, that is false) is not accepted on my book. Thus I will not do it, and will not stand by it.

Gaz4pres
gaz4pres 2014. 22:22, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

caek
Happy birfdae <33 06:49, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday! :) 19:10, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

REPLY:
Hi, thank you for the reply. Twitter is a place for me to express personal opinions on spot without going through much thought. Thus, it serves well to me as a draft to write a more deliberate response, which is this response.

Firstly, I did not exactly intend to target Mol Man, but instead was a statement for my cry to be heard. During that time of the tweet, I urgently needed help and attention of a higher authority on the RuneScape Wiki, regarding his preposterous behaviour and despicable recent replies towards me. As a newcomer around this wiki myself, I am still familiarising myself with most tools available, and how most things work. Twitter was the only way I found myself being able to report this issue which escalated quickly, in hopes of a response as soon as possible.

Secondly, I would like to address the fact that I was unaware of having to keep articles succinct in mind while rewriting an article. Also, I never had the intentions to recreate a verbose article, as this is the way I naturally literate. After knowing that less is more, I would keep that in mind for future edits when necessary. On the baseline, I am still providing main points and relevant information pertaining to the article. As a learning human, of course I am bound to stumble across mistakes myself because I never did claim to be perfect. However, it was the aggravating vibe Mol Man gave off to me, as he corrected my mistakes. He clearly took my edits as unfavourable, claiming that my English was at a level of having to take more classes because it "sucks". I was personally offended by this because I know my own proficiency and limits, and intertwined insults in the response he claims "the nicest way possible" to be told. Furthermore, who gave him the rights to "teach me English"? Like I said, I never was perfect and this also gives a chance for future editors to edit and correct my mistakes. I don't need him to teach me things I already know of.

In a recent reply, he declared himself "great at everything" and this was when I knew that he isn't taking anything seriously, not even the reply he gave me. From what I'm getting, he is trying to degrade me and my capabilities because he remains superior in what he does compared to me, making himself feel better by slipping in hidden insults amongst the seemingly good-intentioned reply. If you read through all of his replies, you can clearly tell what I mean.

Thirdly, being banned obviously doesn't reflect editing abilities. What does is a person's point of view on a fellow opposer. I loss some respect for him after I noticed that he got "BANNED FROM CHAT" with the reason given by Spineweilder as: "User is inappropriate to others and is unbecoming of a civil chat user. Can appeal in YG if he ever wishes to". Apparently he claims that he requested for a ban at his own discretion, given that Spineweilder and him are good friends. Even so, It still doesn't change my stance towards him because to me, he is still taking nothing seriously. If he was right about being banned at will, he still is "playing with the banhammer" as if it was nothing around the wiki. A ban is issued upon those who violate rules on the wiki itself. Knowing that now anyone could request for a ban whenever they like, what is the purpose of one? Clearly, this came off to me as another point to look at him as someone who doesn't take anything seriously.

Fourth, whether the vulgar term "d*ck" was directed to me or him or anyone else, I still did not want him to use that word regardless of who it was used at. Now, I'm not saying that the usage of vulgar language on the Internet is strictly prohibited or anything of the like. It was the fact that when you and I are in a serious discussion to reach a compromise on both parties, usage of insults and vulgar terms should be generally avoided. If he wants to reach an agreement with me, the least he could do is to be presentable and give good impressions. Furthermore, if he wants me to start taking him as someone who means nothing but constructive, he best be dropping the frequent use of crude language when it comes to discussions. Mol Man used vulgar terms, and was not afraid to throw in insults to reach agreements in recent replies. As a matter of fact, I don't mind his insults because it was not wrong as I would admit. However, what really was off-putting is the fact that he has no sense of etiquette when discussing serious matters. What's more, he was giving me an "English lesson", so it is only normal for the teacher himself to show good examples, before he can expect his students to inculcate good morality.

Anyway like you did say, I am definitely making a thread on the forums grove concerning his attitude, but before that, I would like to know, where are the basic guidelines and format to that? I'm sure every thread on the forum has to follow as specific format so is there anywhere I could know more about it? Thanks, 15:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for making that thread, though I would have done it myself if I knew how to. But then again, thank you. 15:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

pls no h8
http://dakota-rs.tumblr.com/post/107653290695/i-love-life 15:17, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

SGS naming
I've closed Forum:SGS naming as successful. Feel free to implement it. 23:44, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Since you're moving some of them
Yea, I started... That took longer than I would've liked; and it were less images than expected so... I think I'm done for now :P. While working on it, I did stumble upon a special case... There is no "Tropical Islander Outfit" mentioned in the interface, only the separate parts.

I just saw your creation of that page, and I can confirm "Brassican cloak", "Marimban cloak" and "Godless cloak". Btw, the skilling animations should also be checked/renamed, and I think your list is missing the World Event weapon overrides.

"Packs" should probably not be named "Packs", but "X outfit" instead, as shown in the Outfit section of the Wardrobe (e.g. "Ariane's outfit"). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:24, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, and I believe like the skilling animations, the hairstyles do not have their own articles (just redirects). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:33, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * "dunno what to do with ids" => they should probably use the same correct casing/wording, and all redirects pointing at them changed as well. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 19:32, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

I've been thinking a bit about how to properly handle the "packs"... the biggest concern is that packs may include more than what is considered part of the 'outfit'. Either a page for the "pack" should be created (what capitalisation? SGS, as it only exists there?), which links to the separate 'outfit' page(s) as well; or should packs only be mentioned in a table on one of the SGS subpages, with links to other articles for the various components (much like the SGS hairstyles and animations only existing in a table and not having an article of their own)? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 16:42, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Packs and outfits should definitely be one page. The actual information that would differ would be so little, it'd make no sense. Animations, hair styles, everything that comes with a pack should have an image on the page. With that, there's really no need to link to the large table pages, as they'd be in the navbox. 16:46, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * What about the Zaros Pack, which contains two outfits that are separate ingame? (This is the only problem case, really). How would you call that article? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 16:48, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nex outfit, King Black Dragon outfit. I would leave all the outfits on the pack page. The two articles would only differ by image, so I don't think it would make any sense to segregate the info. 16:51, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * So calling them all "Nex Pack" etc. then, and redirecting the outfit pages to the pack articles? Aside from some standardisation in image naming, most Pack pages should pretty much already be correct then. I guess I can live with it, but it's not quite as consistent with the decision (in-game naming as main) as I'd hoped. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 17:49, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Btw, Gaz, on your /o page, the Ariane and Assassin packs have male and female icons. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:15, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed, did a bunch to connect current filenames and pagenames, though some should probably be moved out of the table (I generated a different list using dpl and perl regex'd them together - so packs are just shoved in there).
 * Some things to define/think about, not really structured well:
 * Things that Jagex has defined as a pack in the store are Zaros Pack, Sir Owen Pack, Linza Pack, Ariane Pack, Ozan Pack, Assassin Pack, Dwarven Warsuit Pack, Robes of Sorrow and Robes of Remembrance (also Heroic Crit, but that's special)
 * All of these come with an outfit override (most inc. weapon), a (home) teleport override, and an emote. Some also come with titles.
 * Thus a good definition for us to use is similar - if it comes as a bundle including more than one 'class' of thing (segregate by interface tabs: outfit overrides (inc. weapons/wings/effects - probably should put hair here too), emotes, teleports, titles, pets, other), then it should be classed as a pack and everything displayed together on one page with relevant redirects.
 * Importantly a weapon/shield override with a standard 5- or 6-part outfit override is not a pack to them, so it shouldn't be to us - eg Shadow Ariane outfit comes with a 5-part outfit, a hairstyle and a weapon. A weapon (and hair) can be called part of an outfit.
 * For discussion's sake, lets start by saying that packs should be named  pack (Zaros pack)
 * (for outfits) If you can buy separately then they should have separate pages, even if they're similarly themed (Dragon Wolf (pet) and Dragon wolf outfit; Dwarven Warsuit Pack and Dwarven wings; etc) - if they have their own icon in SGS then they should be separate
 * For hair and animations and such, I'm not super strong on either side of 'separate pages' vs 'one conglomerated page'
 * 19:13, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe one more thing we should explicitly decide on, for 'packs'/outfits, how should the chathead images be called? " chathead" or " chathead"? I'm fine with either; I see you used the latter for the Ancient mummy outfit. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 17:04, February 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm going with "If the image is focused on one specific part, be that weapon, hair, helmet or whatever, it should be named after the part". This works well for things with multiple chatheads (like Shadow Ariane, which has a hairstyle and a head item, or the void knight set, which has all 3 helms); also because only the head part matters for a chathead. So,  chathead.png (and  equipped.png). 17:13, February 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * What if said chathead is showing both the hairstyle and tiara? Request a retake and have separate images? (I'd be fine with that solution). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 17:15, February 8, 2015 (UTC)
 *  chathead.png (Shadow Ariane outfit chathead.png) would probably be clearest. I was thinking that in some cases (like Shadow Ariane) the 'outfit' could be excluded (Shadow Ariane chathead.png), but then that could be confusing/need to be moved if Jagex decide to corrupt Ariane in a quest (so we have an NPC 'Shadow Ariane' with a chathead). So yeah,  chathead.png if multiple parts of the outfit are shown in the chathead (almost exclusively hairstyles with small, non-covering head items). 17:23, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

Saw this by chance (was looking at the entertainment in chat from earlier): "[2015-02-08 18:44:42]  i think ip uploading the wrong thing". If I uploaded the wrong file, I'll push the blame to the Jagex wiki: and. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 19:39, February 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the fix. Maybe someone should tell Mod Michelle as well. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:38, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

I think you already handled Ambassador of Chaos outfit, but according to the ingame interface, the correct name is "Ambassador of Chaos" not "Ambassador of Chaos outfit": http://i.imgur.com/0AW067b.png. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:45, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * The question remains on how to handle packs still; and Robes of Sorrow and Robes of Remembrance aren't listed on your page, btw. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:52, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * For Ambassador of Chaos, I'd probably UCS that to outfit since the other Ambassador and both Envoys are outfit.
 * For packs, lets go with the SGS name (usually  pack, per above points), making sure there's relevant redirects from the in-game outfit/teleport/emote names, [unless they have their own pages?]. 19:36, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd disagree on the "Ambassador of Chaos" outfit; in-game name is in-game name, even if it is inconsistent with the others. If Jagex typos a name/examine or has odd casing, we use that too rather than correcting it.
 * Use " pack" even for items that are labelled nowhere as a 'pack' explicitly? The robes of sorrow are an example: they are classified as packs, but not called that in SGS. They are "Robes of X outfit" in-game, but of course that doesn't include the other perks. That said, I can agree with using it as a standard regardless. It does, however, imply that "Zaros Pack" moves to "Zaros pack" and contains both outfits in the same article, rather than splitting them... IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 19:42, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

I have added a few missing/new overrides and standardised the pack names (with the exception of Heroic Crit) to " pack" as discussed above. I'll handle those moves last, though. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 17:35, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

I've gone through the lists (both yours and the ingame Customisation interface one), and think I am done with everything I can check myself. The following is a list of overrides of which I cannot verify the (outfit) name, nor the individual component names (and have not found anyone who owns them):
 * Envoy of Order (outfit?), components have been verified
 * Titan armour
 * Veteran titan armour
 * Beast armour
 * Veteran beast armour
 * Kalphite Emissary outfit
 * TokHaar veteran outfit
 * GameBlast outfit
 * Outfit of Omens
 * Vanquisher's armour
 * Oxfam reindeer antlers
 * Unstable Alchemy

Then there is a special case I haven't handled yet: the new circus D&D overrides; there are no articles for the overrides yet:
 * Clown costume + Tambourine
 * Ringmaster costume + Mega-phonus
 * Acrobat costume
 * Audience outfit
 * Spectator's outfit
 * Circus goer's outfit
 * Giant's hand

I've also noted two more cases in your "Other stuff that's odd":
 * Snowman outfit
 * Replica Elite Void Knight armour

I have two more moved pending for an admin to do, and then I think we're done for now. Next task is fixing the SGS template and articles links.

Although I tried keeping your subpage complete (adding missing ones etc), perhaps it can be cleaned up a bit now, to reduce the number of wanted pages/files. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 15:57, March 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * I asked Rowley in game to get Vanquisher and Omen names:
 * http://i.imgur.com/HimwSs7.png
 * 13:39, March 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Did you also get the individual component names? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 14:02, March 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nah, felt like a bit much to ask. 14:05, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

H: Vanquisher's skull T: Vanquisher's cuirass L: Vanquisher's cuisses G: Vanquisher's gauntlets B: Vanquisher's greaves

H: Helm of Omens T: Torso of Omens L: Legs of Omens G: Gloves of Omens B: Boots of Omens


 * Thanks Rowley bbe 21:09, March 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's two more dealt with (I did assume the Maul was part of the outfit, and followed the same casing/naming convention). IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:57, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Tarn
You were right. I assumed the diary was needed to finish the miniquest to finish the Mory hard task. Oh well, I added it again and rephrased it. 08:30, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Calc
Thanks. The difficulty I'm having is I understand how to write the cover/pre/highest level of the calc (What I see when I edit the page like Calculator:Combat/Max_hit_melee), but I don't know how to do the next step of writing the part of the calc that processes the inputs. I can make the questions, but how do I make "Prayer used:Piety" become "#expr: ... * 1.1." Building it here, hopefully can put on the actual page after fixes. Sojurnstrs (talk) 21:27, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * ah, scratch that. Working at User:Sojurnstrs/Sandbox and User:Sojurnstrs/Sandbox/Template/Double_XP_Weekend_XP, cleaning up formatting. The cons calc is my reference code since it's simplest. Sojurnstrs (talk) 22:09, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Edit war edit
As this edit was made after your edit warring warning, should it be reverted? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:20, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nvm, it's been done. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:23, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Revolution
In the case of the Revolution wiki article, it needs a third viewer. I kindly ask that you could examine the talk page and the referenced source and decide what should be stated in the article according to the NPOV policy. ColossusRS (talk) 22:34, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Charm Log
The wiki won't let me submit charm data for Legio Quartus.

From 100 keys I got the following charms:
 * 72 gold, 96 green, 282 crimson and 114 blue charms.

The gold and green is unusually high because well instances always give the unexpected.

Funds (talk) 02:44, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

Quick guide
It's supposed to be inconspicuous; people looking for it will find it, but we shouldn't be shoving it into everyone's face. It's especially silly considering that the first thing people see on the article is "don't read this article - here's a link to a summary!"... 16:14, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * If you ask me, there shouldn't even be quick guides. We should just have proper quest guides all round. That said, they (obviously) exist and people should know this, but they are incredibly minor - IMO, Otheruses is more notable than them... 17:01, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not just lack of story - it's lack of everything. If you're stuck on a quest, one tiny sentence is hardly going to help. Of course, some people may well find a QG useful, which is fine, but I really don't think we should be advertising them like that at the top of our superior articles. People who really want them will find them anyway - they weren't incredibly hidden or anything. The links are just a lot flashier now - which I think is far from necessary. 18:27, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

request
Can you please update File:Clan Leaders forum icon.png? Jagex recently made slight/large changes to every icon on the forums. --Jlun2 (talk) 00:56, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Re:JS code review
It looks about as good as it's going to get seeing a it's basically a small database, all I can really do is nitpick:
 * Try to use spaces instead of tabs, chances are they're going to get mixed up if anyone ever needs to edit your js anyway.
 * This one might be a little obsolete with the introduction of the new code editor, I know enwiki recently converted to using tabs instead of spaces for indentation with their version. Either way, I've yet to volunteer us to test it
 * Try to use spaces around operators, e.g. . It makes it a little more readable and it's minified when it being imported through the Common.js anyway.
 * I've always avoided console.log in favour of mw.log in code that's live on the wiki. Originally it was down to IE7 or IE8 not having support for console, but it's still pretty annoying to have a console being bombarded with messages. If you need those debug messages, mw.log outputs them when ?debug=true is set in the URL.
 * It might be worth checking the image URLs are up to date. I believe vignette should be taking over most thumbnail rendering, rather than the older wikia.nocookie.net (or other variations). Unfortunately, there still appears to be no standard domain we can use to prefix them automatically.
 * The close icon (X) looks a little out of place, is there anything more rs based you could use?
 * How about lifting it from File:Extras interface.png?
 * The input options look a bit messy at the moment, perhaps wrap it all in a border and bold the labels?

Long term, it might be better to use SMW to get all the ability data so it stays up to date with the wiki, but it's still being tested and it has several bugs with the upgrade to 1.8 last I heard anyway.

re:JS code review
That looks really good. After using it for a bit, I think there's just one thing that could be made better: could you add a  attribute to the images that have already been selected (so the items in the bar itself)? I've also fixed the  things according to the specs, so that its   points to the inputs'   attributes. Other than that I don't really think there are major problems. I think the code is structured just fine at the moment. I'm not sure if it's exactly the same layout as the other files on the wiki, but I wouldn't worry about that too much, since this is already very well organised. If you want me to check some more things, of course just leave me another message. 17:10, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Jagex Meeting
Hi,

I'm just letting you know that sometime after Sunday 5 April, 2015, we will have a meeting over Skype with Mod Matthe and the Community Team about our future relationship.

What I'd like to do first is have a meeting over IRC, Chat, or Skype about what we want out of this. During the meeting with Jagex, I'd want to explore what Jagex wants and what problems exist. Sincerely, 10:40, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Swords of Light pack
How would you handle the new reward for DoD that was added today? Make a "Swords of Light pack" article (as that's the name it's sold under), or create separate override articles for the three sword overrides (they aren't exactly a normal 'pack')? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:15, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * Swords of Light works for me. IDK if pack is necessary but whatever. 21:15, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * Avoiding red links for now; tho that's different from what it's called anywhere >.< ... Maybe I'll go +pack this evening... IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 03:54, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

10-year event
I made the page for the event and left a header for the raffle prizes, so if you and Mol want to sort that out? 18:41, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

God statues scaffolding
I got this. I wonder what the answer is.... 02:00, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Springs and beta
Are the updated spring cleaners in beta? Iirc you made a guide about spring cleaners before, so if you were to update them, using beta would save a ton of money. --Jlun2 (talk) 23:59, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

Question on revolution
Hey, how come every now and then, the first ability used on an NPC doesn't work, and instead an auto attack happens? I even have the ability queued, and that didn't stop the auto attack from occurring. --Jlun2 (talk) 14:29, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

GECharts
That looks really good. I've checked a couple of situations and everything does still seem to work, and indeed the averages are working perfectly again too. There are still some problems on the 'permanent link' page (GEMW/C) which you're directed to when you press the 'permanent link' button in a gechart popup. Those problems were probably already there though (once in the distant past it worked, but scripts always find a way to break without anyone touching them). 08:06, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

RE:gecharts thing
it only shows the first thing listed now -- 10:45, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * yeah its still doing that -- 07:39, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Requesting IP block
http://i.imgur.com/UFp0r5g.png

Mass ban evasion. Please block.

--Jlun2 (talk) 12:33, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes please 13:04, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Co-hosted events
Hi there. I was browsing the CLF recently when I noticed a thread by Mod Jon about Jagex co-hosting events with the community. As you're the only ET member with CLF access, I figured it would be best to tell you. The quick find code is 86-87-643-65624543. 02:34, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Raffle Entry Week 199
Can you raffle me please? Thank you. http://i.imgur.com/1mvAOCg.png 21:32, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Good job!
Nice Tirannwn quiver template! :) 20:15, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * At the time this was the only template, but now I want to say good job with all the Task templates! :) 12:48, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Guide
Can I create guide about training in burthorpe?

12:42, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't all information about training in burthorpe being together be more helpful? People can just look all information at the same place.

05:04, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Task templates
10/10 would template again, no more need to edit over 4 pages to update the rewards 18:19, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Archive your damn talk page
Before I have to activate this again. And I will use the nuclear option if I have to. 18:59, May 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * lol 20:01, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

You dun did gon two far now boy
I am blocking you. Everything you say to me I will not see. You may appeal on my talk page by answering to question. 1. Is Elune a loon? And 2. Do fets fet? Good day to you sir Raglough (talk) 05:47, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Behold! The Line of Ascension!
01:22, June 8, 2015 (UTC)

Hiscore template broken?
I was just looking at my userpage and I noticed alot of my templates were broken. All those templates use the Hiscore template and I wonder if you know if anything changed to it? I checked it myself, but the last edit to it was in May 2014. So I can't figure out why it's broken. Maybe Jagex changed something on their side? 21:14, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Hi
Hi sorry for the bother, but letting you know to keep an eye out on the godless page, there might be a war edit by me and the same guy 01:37, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

Woodcutting cape?
About this edit. Did the regular WC cape also get renamed? Or only the trimmed and hooded ones? 18:16, June 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info :) I fixed my template, because that part that you edited also is used for the regular capes. So I made WC a special case because the untrimmed cape didn't get renamed and the trimmed as you said did. 18:53, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Do you know JS?
If you don't, blame Spine for this.

I made a request on the calculators talk earlier, and was wondering if you could take a look at it and give your opinion on if it's possible or not? 22:39, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

new world order
https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/3ddmj9/gaz_lloyd_is_not_to_be_trusted/

lol

--Jlun2 (talk) 13:40, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

http://i.imgur.com/qYTYxBa.png

--Jlun2 (talk) 12:57, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Why
I am aware of this and I am attempting to downsize the large amount of images I push. Just earlier I removed Unid character from my template spruce page, and I'm working to delete any instances of it being used. -- 18:51, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

Template edit
Thank you, IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:23, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Bottom bar...
You said in chat:
 * "you know the bottom bar is being reverted"

Are you talking about the unnecessary padding that some jmod thought was a good idea to add to the bottom area of the inventory interface, specifically where it shows the bond pouch/wealth evaluator/price checker/money pouch?

Array iteration
I'm doing a little more cleanup of MediaWiki:Common.js/calc.js, and realised it was using for .. in to loop through arrays. I saw you hadn't spotted it during your clean up, so I thought I'd leave you a helpful stackoverflow link for future reference in case you run into it again: :)

Abuse filter request
Would it be possible to add "raping" to the abuse filter? I can't see a legitimate use for it in mainspace. 20:39, July 30, 2015 (UTC)

Inactive
I still play on occasional but, if needed, I could be considered as inactive if space is needed in the clan chat.

dvillar (talk) 20:27, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Project
Hi Gaz Lloyd,

I'm interested in helping with the calculators project.

I know multiple coding and scripting languages that it could be done in.

Project
Hi Gaz Lloyd,

I'm interested in helping with the calculators project. I can do any mathematics that may be required, and programming that may be necessary. I love to use the calculator tools, and I like how you seem to find the formulas the game uses and implement them into something people can use themselves. I would love to help out with that.

- Comiconor

Project
Hi Gaz Lloyd,

I read the reddit message about runescape wikia needing help on all fronts. I am not really experienced in the wikia format, but I know quite a bit of programming, including all the required(not Lua, but from what I've gathered passively it appears to be pretty easy to learn/work with) languages.

So if you are in need of some calculators, feel free to let me know! :D

Edo494 (talk) 23:18, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Project
Hi Gaz Lloyd,

I'm interested in helping with the calculators project.

Haven't worked on any projects before but I would like to contribute. I will also be assisting in the money making section.

Helerofearth (talk) 01:42, August 23, 2015 (UTC) Helerofearth

Helerofearth (talk) 01:42, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I've been unable to contact you up to this point. I am still interested in helping out, I'm just unsure of what time to try to find you.Commandantcomiconor (talk) 15:58, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Ah sorry.

Yes, I was a bit busy past few days with real life.

I will do some research on simple things like how to read ge values using wikia means(shouldnt be hard to dig right? :D) very soon(hopefully today or tomorrow). I was intrested in the vis wax profit calculator, I see you did it apparently already :D, then the ascension one seems quite reasonable for newbie like me :D

Edo494 (talk) 14:59, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

Why was I banned? I missspelled and I didnt mean to spam. And I am sorry. Olease I want on. Why wasnt I kicked first? Isnt that proper edicit?Darth Kuruptios (talk) 16:38, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Got scammed by Bob Hero3694
Was requesting for a gold cracker <-> gold cracker. He claimed he had one:

http://i.imgur.com/iVKJF1r.png

When he did come back later, he used a normal cracker on me and claimed he would get back. He has now since logged off. --Jlun2 (talk) 18:55, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Edit: I'm reporting it here since RuneScape:Clan Chat doesn't seem to indicate where to report clannies scamming, and it says you're the only of it atm. --Jlun2 (talk) 18:56, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * My mem for that account expired. Oh well. Not paying 9m+ just for this. --Jlun2 (talk) 23:10, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Degradation
It is worth noting that, weapons, shields and nex armour appear to degrade 2x faster than numbers suggest. Despite having 60k charges testing shows that they last around 30k charges.

Zaryte bow only degrades per auto attack.

I'm almost sure polypore armour has 60k charges (but consumes 2 per use, rather than 1) like nex armour, weapons and shields although i haven't fully tested them yet.

Corrupt dragon and pvp gear still use the old degradation system iirc so its harder to test.

12:16, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Brawlers
Thanks for all the feedback, I tried to implement what I could at User:Sojurnstrs/brawlers. No idea on magic trees and the Dwarven axe, I got that entire section from Alan(rsn) who wrote the HLF guide. Any other notes? Sojurnstrs (talk) 02:02, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Clan chat page
I'd like to combine RuneScape:Clan Chat/Rank guide, RuneScape:Clan Chat/Ranked users and RuneScape:Clan Chat/Permissions to make a single rank guide combining the information from all these pages. I've written up a version that I think includes all the relevant information from these pages in User:IsobelJ/Sandbox and I'm planning on using this to replace what is currently on RuneScape:Clan Chat/Rank guide and requesting deletion for the other 2 pages. If there's any issue with me doing this then please let me know.

I also have a couple of questions from trying to update the list of current ranks for the page. We have 2 sergeants with the RSNs Birthing Pool and Jamais Vu in the clan, but they're not listed on the wiki. The wiki list has 2 sergeants with RSNs Attic Batman and IJustHadNex, while we don't have ranks with these RSNs now. I'm guessing these are the same 2 people who've changed their RSNs, but do you have any idea which is which? Also since Ephedra is no longer on the Event's Team is okay to change his clan chat rank to sergeant? 17:00, November 11, 2015 (UTC)

So then you can see the page or...?

What does server error exactly mean?

104.167.175.84 00:01, November 13, 2015 (UTC)anon who is training div

Re: math
There's nothing MediaWiki's implementation of TeX does with pngs that cannot also be done with HTML, CSS, and Unicode symbols. Plus MediaWiki's implementation of TeX doesn't allow control over fonts and font sizes like real TeX does. Even MediaWiki developers admit they struggle over making inline math decent. OTOH, display math using TeX, even MediaWiki's implementation of it, is usually superior to HTML math for things like multi-line equations or complex integrals or differentials, unless (until) MediaWiki supports MathJax universally, which will probably never be true at Wikia. -- 23:23, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

Clan pages on RSOF
Is it okay for me to edit our "Clan Info" page on the RSOF? It currently says alot about the wiki itself and I think it would be more useful to have information specifically about the clan here. I'd suggest something similar to the introduction on RS:CC but also adding that players can search for this page on the wiki for full information (I'm assuming telling people to look something up on the wiki is fine now we have platinum fansite status).

Would it also be possible to do something with our thread, RSW Clan Chat Information, since that is also a little outdated? Perhaps we don't need this anymore, since we already have pages on the wiki which give clan information (assuming that we are able to advertise these freely now)? 16:14, November 18, 2015 (UTC)