Talk:Barrows

Barrows- Melee, mage, or range.
Hey I have been to barrows about 50 times now and i have gotten nothing but runes and coins. Though I have had many situations where some people think that if you melee all of the brothers you will have a greater percenatage of getting barrows. I think that this is true, I will conduct an experiment to see if this is true. I will be back with more information =P

While I do think that information is false, if you are prepared to conduct a test and bring the results back, then by all means, please do. --Dogtag333 13:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Possible changes
The guide recommends ghostly robe top/bottoms for the mage bonus. But why? Lunar robes are WAY better than ghostly. For one thing, ghostly don't give melee protection at all. Plus, the lunar top and bottom give a total of 17 mage att/def, as opposed to a measly 9 from the ghostly robes. The only downside is the ranged attack penalty, and that's what the dhide is for, anyways. So maybe a change in the guide is in order?

Signed, RS username JimFromTx

in response
Thanks, your right; someone has messed up the guide alot by suggesting ghostly in suggested inventory over far better alternatives, and further confused things by splitting into four sections, I will clean it up. 12:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Methinks a pure 'tis at work. - Taeryth

Crumble Undead
Does Crumble Undead work on on The Barrows Brothers? I know the slave amulet does. 18:24, 2 February 2008 (UTC)Barrow Bro


 * Crumble Undead does not work on the Barrows Brothers, since they are not undead. They are tainted, corrupted spirits. Likewise, the Salve Amulet doesn't work. This has been confirmed by Jagex. Ssj metroid 01:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

This article is pretty NOOB
For one, jagex stated that you CAN NOT get bolt racks without getting 9 kill count What about "Getting Their" section? I have been doing barrows for a long ass time, got tons of mage levels their etc. This article lacks lots of stuff and the methods are pretty rubish.

Well if any editor can verify this they can feel free to correct the article where needed. --Whiplash 23:17, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * jagex has never stated that you NEED a certain kill count in order to loot the chest. They recommend that you kill all the brothers before searching the chest, as it gives you the best chance to get a barrows item. Ssj metroid 01:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That's why a discussion page is useful : sharing people experience. In the main article, there is nothing about bolt racks and kill count, it is only the point of view of some players, as it can't be prove this part is not included in the main article. There are many methods to achieve barrows, many players think they use the best way...A collaborative work (like wiki) can't have a single point of view, that's the statement, accepting other... 09:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC) PS: I wish this anonymous player share his experience with us !


 * I've been on many barrows trips and countless times i've gotten bolt racks, and i only get a kill count of 6., 01:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

thoughtless editing and disregard for readers
Is there a way we can make sure accounts of no more than so many days old an edit this? Alot of people want to contribute their methods after only a few trips to the barrows, I have totaled almost 4k trips now, and when I wrote the bulk ofthe text in the beggining I wanted an article for every method, price range and combat/prayer level, which I have tried to do, but when people keep editing this (such as early february, some ips and a few new acounts edited unconstructively) to the detriment of the reader, who may not need such comments as "I got hit 40 by dharok and yeah u need to do this bit") it becomes unhelpful. The recommended order was changed, so mages had to go to dharok, ahrim, guthan, verac, torag, karil in that order according to one of the editors wtf???

Basically my point is; we need to put a lock of some sort on this so that unconstructive edits from ips or new acounts cannot harm the article, since it was featured on the main page attacks on this article are increased, I had to spend 30 mins undoing the damage that I planned to spend on other articles. I have asked the new accounts not to do this again, but we really need to lock it to prevent such damage. lots of people constructively edit, helping with anything from spelling to tips to method changes, reordering and tweaking amounts, keeping it up to date, more accurate (constructive stuff) and I thank those people, this is by no means my article and i realise lots of people want to share their views, but i wish they would do it here then put it in if the consensus is that it is a good idea, not put it in, and then it gets taken out again, because it may harm the reader during their trip to the minigame or doesn't contribute anything useful or that has not been said in a more appropriate place.

When people join the wiki they look for something to edit, much of runescape is covered on this wiki, so they go to what they know- the barrows or a similar minigame, they think of something to say and oh look its been said already, but they add it in anyway or change something insubstantial, over time the article has begun to break down, in my opinion it is too long, and in places doesn't make sense, please consider what I have said, vote if you like. (I shall be going through all of the article later today)

support (as the nominator?) 11:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Support with comment Perhaps this limit should also be placed on the other Articles of the Month, as they are the first thing people see when entering the site. It is possible that many nonconstructive edits may be made to those articles by new people who are eager to help out (and increase their edit count), but have little experience or knowledge of that subject.Ssj metroid 21:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Support with comment I agree with both of you, this article is loosing its "essence", due to the multiple modifications...But how can we block others thinking "we have the knowledge", a new editor may have a good idea no ? 08:51, 16 February 2008 (EST)

I wasn't saying we alone should edit it, after a few days if they have an account and are truly interested in contributing to the article they could do so. 15:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - Although there is a tendency for updating of the featured article with less constructive changes, at least it's caught quicker there. I think if we were to restrict updates on the featured article, then the problem would just move somewhere else. I'm not sure restricting access will actually reduce the problem overall. 16:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Support - As per Urssaff, also i couldn't follow the guide after it had become so complex, i had to have Bob2006ty Write me a guide that made it easier to understand. It's become very bad for people new to barrows. -- 17:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Salve Amulet
There seems to be a contradiction in the article. Under "suggested equipment" it says that a salve amulet will not work, while under "no prayer potions equipment" it lists the salve amulet as an option. I do not know myself if a salve amulet does or does not work, so could someone please verify? Aquilae 01:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

The Salve Amulet doesn't work. It may be listed for the no prayer potion section because it has a decent prayer bonus. I believe it is +6. 24.17.207.20 03:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually it offers a prayer bonus of +3. If this is the case, I think it is an extremely bad recommendation because the un/holy symbols are extremely cheap and provide a bonus of +8, beating out the Amulet of Glory and Fury (+3 and +5) which could also be considered because of their combat bonuses but not for their cost. The God stoles are a further +10, but expensive, so the Salve Amulet is beat out in all areas of possible advantages (cost, prayer bonus, and combat bonus) I would rather see the maker of this page tell us why he said the Salve Amulet first before changing it. 02:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Salamanders
I've been testing out the Black Salamander after I saw someone doing the Barrows with it. I must say that the benefits from it are shining through. It allows me to carry less items and doesn't appear to hinder too much from armors (much like Slayer Dart in armor). I've kinda revamped my strategy down there with this new weapon. Might want to mention it as a possible alternative to recommended items to bring.

~Ixindor~

See tavern thread "omg black salamander best for barrows?" to see why it might not be. 13:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I am a black salamander addict, i have done thousands of barrows runs. It is fairly well know that one of the best ways to go at barrows, on the melee brothers atleast, is to use slayer dart. Here a few think that can shake your sway over to the salamander crew. Salamanders cost per cast is less than a cast of slayer dart. Although the cast accuracy of slayer dart is affected only by a very little ammount from armour, they magic style attack of the salamander is confirmed to not be affected at all by armour and it is noticibly faster in the long run. The max his of sal's are higher aswell. there are some down sides (smaller range, no shield etc) but I believe it to be far better in the long run. Erm dunno how to sign off I dont have an account :s

Melee all
Some questions:


 * 1) See my userpage for my skills, can i melee all the brothers?
 * 2) I want to use a Dragon Halberd in the Tunnels, safe them all and use the safe spots, should I?
 * 3) I want to kill Karils DDP++ 4× special, then whip. Is that good?
 * 4) The only brother that i am gonna range is Ahrims, good?
 * 5) I make no extra kill count, just 6 minimal. Maybe more for healing with guthans, alright?
 * 6) Im gonna "Whip" torags in the tunnels, or halberd too?
 * 7) If im gonna use a Dragon Halberd, should i watch my strength bonus or attack bonus.

Ive done barrows a lot, but i maged all the time, now its time for some difference, and i need tips ofcourse!\

Thanx

08:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

(It's better you reply at my Talk page)
 * Melee-ing Barrows wasn't a good idea, back on magic right now (23-03-08)

06:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Cannonway
Does cannonway still work? where you use your cannon to block the melee brothers and in the meanwhile bash their face with a halberd? 84.196.72.19 00:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Mage
!colspan=14|Amulet of Glory, Amulet of Fury, (the Salve amulet does not work) could setup like this,for mage def and do box for melee to
 * Farseer helm||-5 ||-5 ||-5 ||+6 ||-5||+8 ||+10||+12 ||+6 ||0 ||+7||0||0
 * Mystic robe top||0||0||0||+20||0||0||0||0||+20||0||+20||0||0
 * Mystic robe bottom||0||0||0||+15||0||0||0||0||+15||0||+15||0||0
 * barrows gloves||+12||+12 ||+12 ||+6 ||+12||+12 ||+12 ||+12 ||+6 || +12 ||+6 ||+12 ||0
 * Mystic boots||0||0||0||+3||0||0||0||0||+3||0||+3||0||0
 * barrows gloves||+12||+12 ||+12 ||+6 ||+12||+12 ||+12 ||+12 ||+6 || +12 ||+6 ||+12 ||0
 * Mystic boots||0||0||0||+3||0||0||0||0||+3||0||+3||0||0
 * Mystic boots||0||0||0||+3||0||0||0||0||+3||0||+3||0||0
 * Mystic boots||0||0||0||+3||0||0||0||0||+3||0||+3||0||0
 * }
 * }

Barrowzzz

 * 2 items from a drop is very rare, what about 3?? A friend of me got 3 barrows items in 1 trip...
 * They are not undead.. are they from the spirit world??
 * Does summoning work in there??
 * What kind of spirits are they??
 * Is there a possible way to communicate with them??
 * Are they alive in the spirit world??
 * Who is the Strange Old Man??
 * 1) Getting 3 items is EXTREMELY RARE, but it is still possible.
 * 2) The barrows brothers are corrupted It may mean there a spirit or they might just be alive, Yet corrupted.
 * 3) Nope, summoning familiars are not allowed in.
 * 4) They are corrupted spirits.
 * No.
 * 1) We do not know at this point.
 * 2) He didn't recieve his name for nothing.

13:03, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

6th brother
Very odd, but I did not encounter him once during one of my trip. He just disappeared all of a sudden. Anyone know what happened? 03:59, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Same happend to me with guthans, but because i decided to try for another trip and not teliport out after opening the chest, he appeared for me after opening the door to the room with the ladder! strange isnt it? I suppose if anyone else has this problem just keep opening doors till the barrow brother appears if he doesent when u open the chest. signed: 91283746522

This could be one of two things, the first and most likely is that you went through a door and the brother the other side vanished to be invoked by opening a further door or to meet you at the chest, or one of the brothers spawned a twin, they both dissapeared after going through a door, contact me for more info. 16:09, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I had somethinhg similar happen, went all the way to chest by fighting only 5 bros >_>, NEVER saw the 6th one spawn...72.199.117.151 05:39, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

shouldn't
ahrim be third? dont need prayer for verac, and ahrim hits constant 20s. Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:11, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous:

i do not think ahrim should be third but last, after all it lowers ur stats so it best to do it as last as for me i do not constant pray but use pray on dharok and then continue till my prayer is 0,

my rotation is Dharoks - Karil - Guthan - Torag - Verac - Ahrim, ill explain why

Dharok - states the obvious should be first for everyone

Karil - use remaining prayer for anti range as karil can hit quite hard

Guthan - Not really needed u could go torag aswell, u can use prayer if u have some remaining for anti melee to reduce some of the hits.

Torag - Read guthan.

Verac - u dont need any prayer so if u do had any prayer left after Karil its best to use it for guthan or torag

Ahrim - i pick ahrim as last as ur special attack will be upped alot after fighting all the brothers plus ull keep ur stats unchanged by his weaken spells, plus he will be down easily with ur remaining specs.

have fun!

Page split
I have split the Barrows article into two pages: the main article and Barrows/Strategies. The reasons for this are twofold: To reduce loading time for the regular page and because most of the strategies are based on opinion and personal experience. People have been asking "Shouldn't Ahrim be before Verac in the recommended order? You don't need to pray against Verac." This is a matter of personal opinion and now people can just add their own strategies (within reason; we don't need a 100+kb page full of bad prose and redundant strategies) instead of worrying about whichever one strategy is on the actual page and, by extension, endorsed as the "best." -- 22:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Do I have the rquirerments?
I was wondering if I'm able to beat the Barrows with only melee. My stats are on my page, but here they are. 65 attack and strength, 63 hitpoints, 61 defence, and 47 prayer. Leave a message on my talk page and say what I need to bring. By the way, I also have 51 ranged, and 56 magic.

No, you cannot melee them with such weak stats.

My att, str, con and def are almost 80 and my prayer is 54. Can I melee them? (AtheistMetal)

Att 75, Str 81, Con 80, Def 80, Prayer 52 and I melee them all the time and I have no problems

Updated with new information
Errr.. shouldn't someone put something about Tehnoobshow's Exclusive interview with the Barrows brothers? 16:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not. That's fanon, and thus it has no place here. WWTDD? 16:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Ring of Wealth?
Does ring of wealth increase better loot from the chest? Kat99999123  talk  21:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No. 08:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

no

barrows boots?
does anyone know wat kind of boots the brothers wear? i would really like to know.
 * Does not really look like they wear boots 20:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not use the concept pictures found on their respective Wikia pages, for example Karil the Tainted 20:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sort of looks like Moonclan boots 20:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

kc?
what does "kc" mean? -- 02:00, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

KC stands for Kill Count, or how many deaths you cause in the Barrows minigame before you open the chest.--I Levin 02:08, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Missing Door Puzzle!
Someone edited a door puzzle out of existence. The one with the pentagon and square. Please add it back if you know the file. Mamabear47 07:27, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Do I have the requirements
Only with so much money spent on high level food, armour and prayer potions that you won't make any money in the long rrun so unless you just want to spend a bit and check it out there's not much point.

Prayer drain after new quest.
"Some players have reported that the brothers do not drain prayer anymore after they completed the Barrows section of The Temple at Senntisten quest."

This isn't true. I've done that quest, and they still drain prayer.

And i removed false information from "Recommended" section.

Featured yet again
Wooot! We did it again the article got featured on the main page. 14:19, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Barrows Boots
Please Support If You Like This Idea??? 14:14, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * And the idea is? -- 14:24, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, that idea is nice. I expected from jagex to give bandos boots some strength bonus (possibly +6) making them the "barrows boots". They haven't done that... yet... O well we'll see.. :p Lathow 16:00, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Can i melee the barrow?
I would like to know if i am able to melee all 6 brother here are my stats : 77str, 77 att, 77 def, 78 Hitpoint. Ty in advance for your answer
 * This is not the page to ask this sort of question, but yes, you should be able to melee them without much trouble. -- 19:05, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

This Guide Is Fail
After reading this guide it would seem it is rather for very low players with min requirements, shouldn't this page be split into 2 subpages as guides for low level and high level barrowing. many people who wish to barrow for profit are fairly high level and do not use these simple methods.--Neillpaddy 03:45, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * see Barrows/Strategies. Rich Farmbrough, 02:44 9 June 2010 (GMT).

Added to Check HP Category
'Nuff said. CPLstone 03:21, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Featured again!
Glad to see that an article I helped write the a lot of is featured again, thanks for all contributions guys. Happy barrowing! 14:25, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

I just did Barrows and there was nothing in the chest
Hi, I just got a membership, than I went and did barrwos killed all 6 brothers and than I got a kill count of 7 and opened the chest and I found nothing inside why?
 * Probably your inventory was full and it all went on the floor. Rich Farmbrough, 02:46 9 June 2010 (GMT).

Response
Did you search it, or just open it?

The Recent Puzzle Update
In the trivia it says that jagex made the puzzle unable to be interupted by combat and that it is glitched, this is not quite true. This is from my own experiance this morning at barrows. The update made the squares in fromt of the puzzle doors safe areas where no new monster will attack you but if you were already under attack that monster will continue to attack, which still interupts the puzzle, untill you kill it. Once the one that is already after you is dead no others will attack you untill you leave the very small safe area.

Note: I did not edit this into the article myself because the last time I tried editing something here I broke the page >.< Sci. 16:11, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

kill count
The futher i read on the futher i come to notice that almost all the info is true except the kill count. I am currently at barrows and i always get a 7 kill count and to correct it you can get blood runes and bolt racks because i get that almost every drop just wanted to clear that up. Its not alot but its around 30-40 blood runes and 20-80 bolt racks97.123.25.88 10:04, May 22, 2010 (UTC)nicholas newman a.k.a X_legitX

Discrepancy In Statement
I find that this statement here: "The staff has a special attack called Power of Light. When activated, this special attack reduces any melee damage that is received by 50% for one minute, this is very effective against Verac." To be mostly ineffective. I've done hundreds of chests with Staff of Light tanking method, and I find that the Staff of Light special is ineffective against Verac, because his Defile set bonus tends to hit through it anyways. You take full damage and the white orb that surrounds you normally when you would take a melee hit does not occur. I still use Staff of Light to this day (for the bonus damage/rune saving), but I no longer use the special because Defile just tends to hit through it anyways. My special bar is better off spent clawing/godswording Karil or Ahrim. Just some food for thought. 71.98.137.181 12:35, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

barrows method
This method requires 80 magic and completion of the quest: Desert Treasure. You get enough runes for ice burst and blood blitz and then food and prayer potions as needed, you use prayer potion on the brother you need maybe none at all. you dont use prayer until your health is around half then ice burst them and go one step diagnol, after they cannot attack you use blood blitz to get your health up and finish them off. Those are my techniqs (dont know how to spell that)

Obviously whoever wrote this guide doesn't do barrows very often and hasn't fully experimented before
Okay. Let's get this straight.

Ahrim doesn't just lower your strength level using his curses. He will lower the attack style you're using.

So for instance. You're using an Abyssal whip in controlled. He will lower either one of your Melee skills. This also applies to other attack styles. He will lower your Attack if you attack using Accurate.

Melee is NOT a good option to use while doing Barrows. Melee is only effective if you're 90+ Attack with Super/Extreme Potions. Magic works alot better on all of the Melee brothers. I can easily Ice Barrage Dharok, Verac, Torag and Guthan. You do not need to use Protection prayers on any brother except Dharok and Karil. Dharok requires you to use Protection from Melee/Deflect Melee on the first hit, then you use Ice Blitz/Barrage, walk 1 step away from him then continue to attack him using Ice Barrage. You are only able to hit 6 times, then you will need to run to the opposite end of the coffin in the middle of the room. Wait 5 seconds then move one step into a direction that still keeps you behind the coffin. When he moves then you walk 1 step behind you, then 1 step away from the coffin which will make him start to walk towards you. You then Ice Blitz/Barrage again making him freeze in the position that he stands in. You then repeat the process until he is killed.

Karil on the other hand will require you to use Protection from Missiles/Deflect Missiles. Use 1 dose of Prayer/Super prayer potion ONLY if you don't have any Prayer points left. You will then dig on his mound, go to his coffin and summon him. Put your prayer on then start meleeing him using an Abyssal whip, Chaotic rapier or Armadyl godsword. If you don't have any prayer points, Start using Blood Barrage, this is effective on him and will heal you. Don't be afraid to eat when your Life Points are lower than 350.

Note: Karil does lower your Agility level. This is easily fixed if you bring an Agility potion or 1 Super Restore. Use the Super Restore in place of a Prayer potion. Super Restores are a much more effective option than using an Agility potion.

Ahrim doesn't require you to use prayer. All you need to do is bring a Black d'hide body/chaps and he will not be able to attack you very often. Only bring both if you are not using Magic gear. Curses are still able to be used on you whether or not you are using Protection prayer. Magic Protect does NOT effect his curses. Karil's crossbow is incredibily effective on Ahrim. It is a very fast weapon and will hit contantly. Use a Ranging/Extreme Ranging potion if your Range level is lower than 95. This setup will allow you to kill Ahrim alot faster. Bolt racks can be expensive, but you can loot them from the chest once you've finished in the tunnels.

Okay. So this one is about armour.

Don't use Bandos Boots, they're absolute junk and only give a small amount of defence more than Dragon Boots. Dragon Boots are alot more effective than Bandos Boots because of their +4 strength bonus.

Archer/Farseer helm are NOT good items to use. They give minimal defence bonuses so they're not very helpful. In my opinion a Helm of neitiznot is ALOT better to use. Helm of neitiznot does not have any negative attack bonuses. It also gives a +3 strength bonus and a +3 prayer bonus. Only use this if you can't afford a Verac's helm.

Food should always be Monkfish. Sharks are too expensive to be used every run. Monkfish are a much better option, they are cost effective and heal decently. They are also very fast to fish if you don't want to buy them.

Edit: The most effective order to do the Barrows brothers is: Dharok, Ahrim, Karil, Verac, Torag, Guthan. This also lowers the need to run all over the place.

Devil Flaze 13:33, October 9, 2010 (UTC)