RuneScape:Requests for undeletion

This is a page to list and vote on deleted articles you think should be brought back to RuneScape Wiki.

Tavvy
Though the original VfD was invalid, I'm going to try to do the first VfU in several months.


 * Reasons for undeletion:


 * Players do use it.
 * I use the phrase quite often when talking about Taverley.
 * Matt Degoth (an every-now-and-then visitor to the IRC) uses it.
 * Gangsterls uses it.
 * Players talking about house parties will use it to refer to the location of their house.
 * All towns that don't have a bizarre name when shortened and having an added "y" have a shortened nickname. Examples are:
 * Lumby.
 * Cammy.
 * Fally.
 * Ardy.
 * Edgy.
 * Rimmy.
 * Wildy.
 * Lummy.
 * Fremmy (used to mean "Fremmennik Province" rather than the normal "Fremmennik").
 * Just because one has never heard about the phrase in so many years, that does not mean that the phrase is not a real phrase. After over four years, I've never heard anyone use "[ ]" to refer to a town square or sq shield. I've only heard "ftl" once. And so on with some phrases. 08:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Do we have a "lamest edit wars ever" section, like Wikipedia? If not, I put this forward as a candidate. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 12:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently nothing has been this lame before. A dozen deletions and subsequent re-creations of a redirect, how can you beat that? Skill 22:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Seriously, what the ****? It's a fricking redirect. Lumby, Cammy, Fally.  How is this so damn "dumb" [compared to the rest of them]?

Strong undelete per that quote.

Support undelete - per what Chia said. 08:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, with regards to the argument that the original VFD was invalid. It is a minor point, but I'd like to set it straight. As far as I can tell, the deletion policy cited was never approved by the community. The criteria listed apply more to speedy deletions than controversial ones, in any event; the fact that only an small minority of VFD candidates are actually in violation of this policy is further proof that there is little consensus behind its application in these cases.

Now, to the topic at hand. Personally, I've never heard this used in-game, given that I don't tend to be in the Taverley area very much. So I was a bit skeptical considering that it sounds a bit... yes. However, I've recently been approaching things like this from a broader perspective, writing a list of points for a deletion policy to replace the current one. Redirects are intended to increase the flexibility of the search bar for readers. All things considered, it is plausible that someone will search "Tavvy", despite how pointless such a redirect seems for those of us who've never heard the word before. Therefore, I'm going to have to agree this time that the redirect should be restored. Skill 09:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I must note however that several times, the relative simplicity of the phrase has been given as a reason to keep. If this is just a way to make getting to the article easier, rather than a phrase legitimately used by players, then there is no reason to restore. Skill 03:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Strong undelete it's easier to remember than tavarly, taverlay, taverly, ....!!! however it's spelt!!! Chrislee33 16:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep deleted I personally have never heard a player in-game use Tavvy. Just because 3 wiki members use it does not mean it deserves a redirect. I highly doubt that many people coming on to the wiki will search up "Tavvy" anyways. --Whiplash 03:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep deleted. As Whiplash says, it's hardly a common usage. More than 75%, no, 90% of the RS community calles other towns "Lumby", "Fally", and "Ardy", but I have never, in my at least three years of playing - counting the time I didn't play much, mind you - ever heard someone utter the word "Tavvy". I understand it's hardly anything to the Wiki itself to have a silly redirect like this, but that doesn't change the fact that it's silly. Oddlyoko talk 03:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I change my vote to Weak oppose (as in I weakly want it to stay deleted). Both sides raise good points, and I don't honestly think the wiki will be affected too much no matter who wins. This is, indeed, a stupid argument. 75.85.100.233 22:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep deleted - The "invalidation" of the VfD was in itself invalid, as the VfD was legit.

And as far as I know, players pretty much never say "Tavvy" unless it was told to them in the first place. I do not think it is relevant that someone named Matt Degoth uses the word.

The word "Lummy" is also nearly never used except as a typo, and all the shorthanded words mentioned have their full names not ending with a "y", such as LumbridgE, CameloT, FaladoR, ArdougnE, EdgesvillE, RimmingtoN, and WildernesS. TaverleY already ends in a "y", which probably goes further to why "Tavvy" was never used in the first place.

And "ftl" and "[]" were actually existent outside of RSWiki, not to mention they are not references to places. Tarikochi 04:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Strong undelete - Tari, the VFD was invalid because Tavvy did not fit any of the criteria for deletion of a redirect (see the VFD, I forget who posted the criteria). Some people do use it, even if it's not "90%" of people who play RS, so don't say it was never used in the first place. Chia brought up a very good point that almost every city has a nickname ending in -y. The bottom line is, with a redirect, the question isn't Why?, the question is Why not?. Unless another article can be created instead of the redirect, there's no reason not to have one. 04:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The VfD was valid due to there was an argument on it that involved a delete war and required a decision to delete it. A personal opinion should not invalidate a VfD in itself.  And that point Chia made was explained by how none of their extended names ends in a "Y".  And making a redirect for the sakes of a redirect would also allow making "V" redirect to Varrock.  [[Image:Bowman_hat.png|12px]]Tarikochi 04:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This can't be compared to a one-letter redirect... Tavvy makes sense as a logical nickname for Taverley... a ton of words in RS start with V, and a one-letter redirect would be completely absurd. 23:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Support undelete. I don't see how restoring the redirect would do any harm the wiki, given that there are nickname redirects for other towns. It's a plausible abbreviation as well, although I've never heard it before. If someone said 'meet me in tavvy' I'd probably work out where they meant though. Pointy 11:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep deleted not enough people even go to taverly to call it a casual name like the big cities have, are we going to be calling barbariasn village barby? or morton morty? this is going a bit too far, considering the only things worth bothering with there are the house portal and the herb shop.

Support undelete I have not used any of short names for places, before I have heard them from other players. Tavvy is pretty good as short for Travelry, Taverly, Taverley, Taverlay? Golduin 12:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Support undelete

i think it does not harm the wiki. user:Tdrone

Keep deleted Before that crappy fiasco as whether to delete the Tavvy redirect, I had never heard a player refer to Taverly as "Tavvy" (let alone use it myself). Now, it's just plain rediculous-and for those of you who think that since three-fourths of players asked if Tavvy was OK-and multiplied by the million members on RuneScape makes a lot more people who say "Tavvy"...you're just wrong, you know that? Maybe more than ten players in the world use it, but certainly not 670,000 players (as Gangsterls's "logic" implies). I say we keep it deleted; it's the most rediculous redirect I have seen ever.
 * I never said anything about three-fourths of the people in RS using it, and 670,000 is two-thirds of a million, not three-fourths... If you're going to accuse people of flawed logic, don't directly address people who didn't even make the statements that you're trying to criticize.

Strong undelete clogs up the Wanted pages, and this is the most stupidest excuse for an argument ever. Arnie 17:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - It's only linked to by three pages, all of which can easily have the Tavvy link replaced with No page. Although I agree 100% with the 'stupid excuse for an argument' bit. Oddlyoko talk 18:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. This is absurd. You're all making a laughing stock out of yourselves. How about you come up with some way to choose restore or leave, like tossing a coin, within the next hour, and then just leave. It. Alone. -.-; JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  18:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Undelete Why to delete this? Holy God! its just a redirect!, its not going to get the wiki slower or anything... 19:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

undelete redirects are cheap. Rich Farmbrough, 20:31 27 November 2007 (GMT).

Undelete. Why shouldn't it exist? Answer that and I might change to oppose. 20:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Because no-one calls it Tavvy. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  20:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not true. I call Taverley "Tavvy" for starters. 22:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment - Seriously, can't we just leave it at whatever state it's in? It's not gonna change the world. Let's go do something more productive. Butterman62 21:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Undelete The word "Tavvy" could only conceivably be used to mean Taverley (at least in the context of RuneScape), so anyone entering it in the search box will be looking for that article. Having Tavvy redirect seems very reasonable. The fact is that some people may (for example) have difficulty in spelling Taverley (which is why Taverly redirects to it). Therefore, they may just enter "Tavvy" and let the redirect do the hard work for them. Is there a policy of trimming away seldom-used redirects? It seems pointless to remove something that does no harm, and can only do good. Leevclarke 21:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Undelete The people that use this word are going to use it when they are searching. as Leev said "Is there a policy of trimming away seldom-used redirects? It seems pointless to remove something that does no harm, and can only do good. ". Blazel 21:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Undelete. I didn't have a coin to flip, so I used a credit card. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 22:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Undelete Would it hurt anyone to have a page called Tavvy (apart from the person who deleted it)? --Whyareall 23:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep Deleted To make redirects for every little thing is stupid. What is next "f" for Falador?. Also, 2 "new" wikians jump in to vote? Do I smell something? Atlandy 23:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I "smell" it too. 23:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want to accuse someone of sockpuppetry, don't hint about it... 23:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Undelete Why delete it? It's only a few kilobytes for the database, so why not have it anyway?Zeldafanjtl 01:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment Instead of considering this one case alone, we should drop this for now and work out a general rule for all redirects. Then once that's settled, we can solve any disputes over whether "Tavvy" meets these criteria or not, if needed. It'll be easier to reach a consensus if we do it this way. Skill 23:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment - hmmm... has anyone ever seen Tdrone, Blazel, or Zeldafanjtl before...? 02:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)