Talk:Squeal of Fortune/Archive 1

Update Concerns
By creating new accounts and buying membership for those accounts you can exchange rs money for irl money. Jagex has basicly introduced legit RWTing into the game. {C}^ Not really considering all you can get is lucky items...however the 10M reward does concern me...people won't even have to make mem accs since money is f2p...anyway at least it gives me a chance to make my bank back hahaa, but i hope they reconsider the 10M at least...

About lucky items...even if they are untradable and (maybe) degrade they will make some stuff crash. For sure there will be a panic crash next ge update, but in the long run stuff will drop a bit. Why would you go to a bandos trip with real armor if u can just go with lucky and dont risk anything? gg. Also, although the chances of getting 1 are a bit low theres gonna be 200k+ spins a day and i so many ppl will get for sure

um i dont see how u figured that one out. 1 you would have to be very lucky to get any sort of income worth it, 2 most of the items are untradebale and 3 trading between your own accounts would be against the rules if were gonna bring them up 17:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Question 1: If you get a 'Lucky' item, does it have a drop or destory button, and if you choose to do it will you be able to get it back at a later date? Astral Bunny 17:15, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Question 2: Can you recieve multiple 'Lucky' items of the same type (ex: 3 bandos godswords), if so, do they stack in the bank? Astral Bunny 17:15, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Question 3: Because people who are making new accounts to get more chances at gp actually care about runescape rules. That was sarcastic. A better argument would be that they have to invest in thousands of accounts and the pay for investment is too low if they buy pins before having them do dailies. Sojurnstrs 17:48, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Question 4: Are these items usable in the wilderness? Astral Bunny 18:58, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Now I remember why I don't edit the wiki much. Way too many trolls and vandals.

Supermancav 18:15, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Medium lamp gives double exp than a normal lamp

Large lamp gives double exp than medium lamp

Huge lamp gives double exp than large lamp

ADD YOUR XP LAMPS
Xp lamps are done by "Medium xp lamp (Constitution)" - 17,000 xp - level 99 {C}I want to see if they're done by your level, or are set. 16:33, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Added my xp reward below 16:56, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Small
I left out the inconsistent numbers or the "ishes". 03:27, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Small lamp - level 54 - 1,305 xp
 * Small lamp (attack) - 81 attack - 4166 Wales Thug 1 17:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 69 Farming - 2,471 xp - Gidedin 18:05, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 83 Cooking - about 4.5k xp Graahk 22:18, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 82 Runecrafting - 4,348 xp -- 22:19, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 95 constitution - 7533xp 00:10, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 95 runecrafting - 7533xp 74.76.133.27 03:19, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 90 Runecrafting - 6122 xp 00:12, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 81 smithing - 4,166 xp 00:13, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp- 20 Crafting - 310 xp 98.250.139.97 00:34, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 92 fishing - 6615 xp
 * Small lamp - 99 ranged - 8602 xp
 * Small lamp - 85 mage - 4919 xp
 * Small lamp - level 1 (undefined) - 65 xp
 * Small lamp - 93 rc - 6929 xp
 * Small lamp - 88 Rc - 5,593 xp
 * Small lamp - 74 Slayer - 3082 xp (3082.5? 3082 in the chat, 3083 on the counter)
 * Small lamp - 39 Summoning - 692 xp (got 40 summ from it, in case it matters)
 * Small lamp - 51 Dungeoneering - 1,149 exp 00:49, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 10 Constitution - 154 xp
 * Small lamp - 73 Mining - 2947 xp
 * Small lamp - 98 Runecrafting - 8602 xp
 * Small lamp - 1 Magic - 65 xp
 * Small lamp - 64 Runecrafting - about 2k (sorry forget exactly)
 * Small lamp (Strength) - 99 Strength - 8602xp Farmyboy 23:06, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 49 Prayer - 1,055 xp 01:40, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small (magic) lamp - 99 Magic - 8,602 xp
 * Small lamp - 64 prayer, 3.5k xp [give or take 100 xp] 212.9.124.91 02:25, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (attack) - 99 att - 8.6k ish
 * Small lamp (defence) - 86 Defence - 5,150 Xp : Small Lamp - 70 Prayer - 2,593 Xp
 * Small lamp @ F2P Skiller, 40 DG, 721 xp in chat, 722 gotten (721.5 filled in)-- 06:43, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp @ F2P account, 17 Pray, 274 xp. -- 07:00, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp @ Another F2P account, 26 Hitpoints, 399 xp -- 07:05, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp @ Another F2P account, 2 Attack, 69 xp -- 07:05, February 29, 2012 (UTC), Thank you, Zorak, for adding them to the table :) 08:03, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (defence) - 77 exp @ level 3.219.89.29.37 07:13, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp @ Noob F2p account, Fishing 4, 85 xp -- 17:05, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp @ Noob F2p account, Crafting 5, 94 xp -- 17:05, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (defence) - 1 Defence - 63 exp 22:06, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (Attack) - 80 Attack - 3980 xp
 * Small lamp @ Ameobea10 - 65 Summoning 2085 xp 00:24, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (Crafting) - 6 - 104xp Wales Thug 1 00:51, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small (magic) lamp - 38 Magic - 662 xp. Member's account.
 * Small lamp - 57 Runecrafting - 1,485 Xp
 * Small lamp - 16 Attack - 262xp (Possible formula derived as quartic: 0.00014161x^4-0.0102526x^3+0.45659209x^2+5.9463159x+57.9733806, r^2 value was 0.99961788. Also possibly a logistic function: (70556.2506/(1+610.547619e^(-0.04506482x))) Mean squared error: 3164.55266) Am643602 05:15, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small Lamp - 77 Range - 3,496 xp OHIO BOBCATS 06:20, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 22 pray - 337 xp -- 08:24, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 43 str - 818xp moneyfm2 March 1 (friend account)
 * Small lamp- 24 str- 367.5 (got 367 as shown and 368 in xp counter) moneyfm2 March 1 (friend account)
 * Small lamp - 14 prayer- 229xp ~ DallasMav 00:09, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp - 94 rc - 7236 xp Farmyboy 00:11, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 63 Agility - 1,912 Xp
 * Small lamp - 61 Crafting - 1,758 xp OHIO BOBCATS 06:19, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 56 Constitution - 1,422 xp OHIO BOBCATS 06:26, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 50 Defence - 1,101 xp (1,102 in xp Counter) OHIO BOBCATS 06:26, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 71 Fishing - 2,693 (2,694 in xp Counter) Wales Thug 1 07:55, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp - 23 hp -352 moneyfm2 March 2 (non main acc)
 * Small lamo - 62 summoning 1836xp -- 10:33, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 66 Crafting - 2,172 xp 01:39, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 79 Dungeoneering - 3,793 xp 04:29, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (Ranged) - 85 Ranged - 4919 xp
 * Small lamp @ 13 Prayer - 206.5 xp -- 07:33, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 67 runecrafting -- 09:27, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (cooking) - lvl 77 - xp 3.495 Silverling 15:30, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (constitution) - level 82 4,348 xp -- 10:55, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (farming) - level 56 1,422 xp -- 10:55, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (smithing) - level 69 2,470 xp -- 00:11, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp-25hp- 384xp march 8 moneyfm2 (friend account)
 * Small Lamp (Dungeoneering) - 62 Dungeoneering - 1,836 Xp 00:15, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small Lamp - fish - 46 - 929 xp -- 19:57, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small Lamp - Farming - 68 - 2,379 Xp 01:24, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small Lamp - Prayer - 70 - 2,593 Xp 01:24, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (Woodcutting) - Woodcutting - 15 - 252 xp JalYt-Mej-Wynde 20:57, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp- 64 farming- 2005xp moneyfm2
 * Added a small lamp used on smithing that was level 28. I actually got it in medium, But I cut it in half.
 * small lamp (smithing)- 25 - 3215xp moneyfm2
 * small lamp (strength) - lvl 21 - 324xp moneyfm2
 * small lamp- 42 dungeoneering - 785xp moneyfm2
 * Small lamp - Prayer - 75 - 3214 xp (there is a value in table of 3215, but I don't see an entry in this list for lvl 75) JalYt-Mej-Wynde 23:38, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp (cooking)- lvl 27- 417xp moneyfm2
 * small lamp (mining)- lvl 44 - 854xp moneyfm2
 * small lamp- 7 magic - 114xp moneyfm2
 * Small lamp - Prayer 75 - 3214.5 xp (3214 in the dialog, 3214 in the xp animation - twice on 21 March JalYt-Mej-Wynde 20:40, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (Dung) - Dung lvl 77 - 3495.5 (3495 in dialog, 3496 in xp animation) JalYt-Mej-Wynde 20:40, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp- 32 smith- 514xp moneyfm2.
 * Small lamp- level 52- 1204xp
 * Small lamp- level 53- 1250xp
 * Small lamp- level 87- 5376xp
 * Small lamp- level 91- 6452xp

Medium
Again, I left out the inconsistencies. 03:27, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Medium Lamp - level 88 rc - 11,185 xp
 * Medium lamp - level 95 constitution - 15065xp 16:56, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * medium lamp - 69 sum - 4940 17:00, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - level 46 farm - 1,858 Astral Bunny 17:07, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - level 90 pray - 12,244 Astral Bunny 17:07, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 87 Runecrafting - 10,701 xp 17:50, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 80 summoning - 7916 xp
 * Medium lamp - 89 Runecrafting - 11,845 xp Gidedin 18:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 84 Constitution - 9,524 xp OHIO BOBCATS 20:03, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 67 Firemaking - 4,538 xp 21:40, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 51 Runecrafting - 2,297 xp 22:03, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 98 Summoning - 17,204 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 1 Prayer - 125 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 52 Herblore - 2300 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 54 rc - 2,609 xp 22:06, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 58 fishing - 3,092 xp (3092.5? 3092 in the chatbox, 3093 on the counter)
 * Medium (rc) Lamp - 98 runecrafting - 17,204 xp. 00:06, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 53 Construction - 2499 xp (2499.5? 2499 in the chatbox, 2500 on the counter)
 * Medium lamp (Woodcutting) - 87 Woodcutting - 10,751 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 62 Dungeoneering - 3671 (3671.5) Wales Thug 1 01:03, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium (Slay) Lamp - 74 Slay - 6,164 xp Sojurnstrs 01:20, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 88 Slayer - 11,185 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 90 Woodcutting - 12,243 XP 03:20, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 68 Runecrafting - 4,759 XP
 * Medium lamp - 91 Runecrafting - 12,903 XP 17:36, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 76 Mining - 6,679 XP DallasMav 00:05, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 81 crafting 8332 xp. Added it straight into the table  00:08, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp (smithing) - 83 Smithing - 9044xp 00:09, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp (Woodcutting) - 85 Woodcutting - 9,837 xp 00:27, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 94 Herblore - 14,472 - 00:52, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Med Lamp(2) - 75 Prayer - 6428xp 00:06, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp (2) - 92 Thieving and 86 Construction - 13,229 and 10,299 -
 * Medium lamp - 99 - 17204 xp 22:24, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 70 Prayer - 5,186 Xp
 * Medium lamp - 65 mining - 4,168xp -- 11:30, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 56 RC - 2844 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 97 Mining 16,695 XP. 01:19, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 63 Agility - 3,823 Xp
 * Medium lamp (magic) - 78 magic - 7,294xp -- 00:12, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 100 Dungeoneering - 17,205 (comparing highscores before/after)
 * Medium Lamp (Summoning) - 59 Summoning - 3,233 Xp 15:16, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 73 Crafting - 5,893 Xp - 00:03, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 77 RC - 6,990 xp
 * Medium Lamp (fishing) - 77- 6991 xp moneyfm2
 * Medium Lamp - 27 Slayer - 838 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 28 Slayer - 868 xp.
 * Medium lamp (herblore) - level 72 - 5619.5xp moneyfm2
 * Medium lamp - 93 Runecrafting - 13,857 XP 00:08, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * medium lamp- 71 slayer - 5386xp moneyfm2
 * Medium Lamp- 39 farming - 1383 toxict33n

Large

 * Got a large lamp, 68 RC, 9,516.5 xp (9517 @ Button, 9516 said) -- 06:01, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Got a large lamp, 73 Prayer, said 11,786 exp 03:36, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Got a large lamp, spent on level 5 thieving. 373 exp.
 * Got a Large Lamp, Spent it on 55 Prayer and got 5,448 xp.
 * Large, constitution, level 96, 32258xp 00:05, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Large, 63 RC, it said 7645, got 7646, so, I guess it's safe to assume that it's 7645.5 XP.

Huge
Not much for data, but hopefully this presents it better. 03:27, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Are we still getting data for this?


 * Huge lamp - 1 Construction - 499 xp (From RSOF)
 * Huge lamp - 91 Summoning - ~51k xp (From RSOF)
 * Huge lamp (Slay) - 99 Slayer - 68,815 xp
 * Huge Lamp (Mining) - 87 Mining - 43008 xp (or 43003 xp) Gielinoran 00:59, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Huge Lamp - 98 Agility - 68,815 xp
 * Huge Lamp (Crafting) - 87 Crafting - 43,003 xp. 68.53.5.24 00:18, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Huge Lamp - 13 Farming - 1645 xp (source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lwyJXfN5wA)
 * Huge Lamp - 51 Herblore - 9185 xp (source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y94WBzrFZE8)
 * Huge Lamp (Dungeoneering) - 72 Dungeoneering - 22,474 xp -- 05:06, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Huge Lamp - unused - October 29th. about 6:15 pm (est)
 * Huge Lamp - Summoning: 39521 exp - January 27th at 6:25pm central

Didn't make a note of my own lamp.... but from looking at the numbers above, a medium lamp seems to give double the xp of a small one (eg 7533xp @ lvl 95 for small; 15,065@ lvl 95 for medium). And if we look at the small sample we have for huge lamps then it would seem that huge = 2 x large = 4 x medium = 8 x small 83.218.30.109 00:47, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * From the Data i have gathered it is clear that From Small to Med is x2, Med to Large is x2 , Large to Huge is x2. Also the xp is capped when it reaches level 98.
 * Here is a link to my Forum Thread http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/c=Edy0PoHLlFo/forums.ws?15,16,217,63597207, it has some more values that have been given to me by people posting in the thread , i will continue to update the second post when i can , i hope this helps you all Wales Thug 1 01:16, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * It seems that the formula for the Huge lamp, and by extension, the small, medium and large ones, contain an x^3. I cannot find any exact formula, but a decent approximation is 'experience = (x^3)/15'. This approximation is only a few k off at higher levels.


 * Yeah, your approximation seems the be close to the values at hand, but in order to narrow down the linear and quadratic factors (to make the formula more accurate) we need more values, 6 values like this isn't enough to get a good fit.


 * Silanu: Noting that this function is nontrivial. Presuming that each tier higher for lamp is simply a factor of 2ax where a is the number of tiers from the lowest table and x is the experience granted from the lowest table, then the lowest table can be used to approximate a proper function for all of the tables. The issue is, if you take the differences between the experiences granted for each two subsequent entries in the small lamp table, you'll notice that the function is not continuously increasing. In fact, if often decreases and then increases. This is why a simple cubic polynomial is not accurate enough for approximating the table. There are two scenarios I see here:
 * 1) Jagex manually developed a table and made the decisions on which levels should receive a bigger jump in experience
 * or 2) There are inaccuracies in the data, perhaps by entry or because the specific and general lamps may give different amounts of experience. Another thing to consider is there may be randomization in the experience given. I've received a lot of lamps in the last few days. After realizing how complex these values are, I am going to take better note of the experiences I receive and hopefully get back to you on whether a quantitative function is devisable.