Talk:Squeal of Fortune

Update Concerns
By creating new accounts and buying membership for those accounts you can exchange rs money for irl money. Jagex has basicly introduced legit RWTing into the game. {C}^ Not really considering all you can get is lucky items...however the 10M reward does concern me...people won't even have to make mem accs since money is f2p...anyway at least it gives me a chance to make my bank back hahaa, but i hope they reconsider the 10M at least...

About lucky items...even if they are untradable and (maybe) degrade they will make some stuff crash. For sure there will be a panic crash next ge update, but in the long run stuff will drop a bit. Why would you go to a bandos trip with real armor if u can just go with lucky and dont risk anything? gg. Also, although the chances of getting 1 are a bit low theres gonna be 200k+ spins a day and i so many ppl will get for sure.

um i dont see how u figured that one out. 1 you would have to be very lucky to get any sort of income worth it, 2 most of the items are untradebale and 3 trading between your own accounts would be against the rules if were gonna bring them up 17:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Question 1: If you get a 'Lucky' item, does it have a drop or destory button, and if you choose to do it will you be able to get it back at a later date? Astral Bunny 17:15, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Question 2: Can you recieve multiple 'Lucky' items of the same type (ex: 3 bandos godswords), if so, do they stack in the bank? Astral Bunny 17:15, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Question 3: Because people who are making new accounts to get more chances at gp actually care about runescape rules. That was sarcastic. A better argument would be that they have to invest in thousands of accounts and the pay for investment is too low if they buy pins before having them do dailies. Sojurnstrs 17:48, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Question 4: Are these items usable in the wilderness? Astral Bunny 18:58, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Now I remember why I don't edit the wiki much. Way too many trolls and vandals.

Supermancav 18:15, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Medium lamp gives double exp than a normal lamp

Large lamp gives double exp than medium lamp

Huge lamp gives double exp than large lamp

ADD YOUR XP LAMPS
Xp lamps are done by "Medium xp lamp (Constitution)" - 17,000 xp - level 99 {C}I want to see if they're done by your level, or are set. 16:33, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Added my xp reward below 16:56, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Small
I left out the inconsistent numbers or the "ishes". 03:27, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Small lamp - level 54 - 1,305 xp
 * Small lamp (attack) - 81 attack - 4166 Wales Thug 1 17:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 69 Farming - 2,471 xp - Gidedin 18:05, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 83 Cooking - about 4.5k xp Graahk 22:18, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 82 Runecrafting - 4,348 xp -- 22:19, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 95 constitution - 7533xp 00:10, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 95 runecrafting - 7533xp 74.76.133.27 03:19, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 90 Runecrafting - 6122 xp 00:12, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 81 smithing - 4,166 xp 00:13, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp- 20 Crafting - 310 xp 98.250.139.97 00:34, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 92 fishing - 6615 xp
 * Small lamp - 99 ranged - 8602 xp
 * Small lamp - 85 mage - 4919 xp
 * Small lamp - level 1 (undefined) - 65 xp
 * Small lamp - 93 rc - 6929 xp
 * Small lamp - 88 Rc - 5,593 xp
 * Small lamp - 74 Slayer - 3082 xp (3082.5? 3082 in the chat, 3083 on the counter)
 * Small lamp - 39 Summoning - 692 xp (got 40 summ from it, in case it matters)
 * Small lamp - 51 Dungeoneering - 1,149 exp 00:49, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 10 Constitution - 154 xp
 * Small lamp - 73 Mining - 2947 xp
 * Small lamp - 98 Runecrafting - 8602 xp
 * Small lamp - 1 Magic - 65 xp
 * Small lamp - 64 Runecrafting - about 2k (sorry forget exactly)
 * Small lamp (Strength) - 99 Strength - 8602xp Farmyboy 23:06, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 49 Prayer - 1,055 xp 01:40, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small (magic) lamp - 99 Magic - 8,602 xp
 * Small lamp - 64 prayer, 3.5k xp [give or take 100 xp] 212.9.124.91 02:25, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (attack) - 99 att - 8.6k ish
 * Small lamp (defence) - 86 Defence - 5,150 Xp : Small Lamp - 70 Prayer - 2,593 Xp
 * Small lamp @ F2P Skiller, 40 DG, 721 xp in chat, 722 gotten (721.5 filled in)-- 06:43, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp @ F2P account, 17 Pray, 274 xp. -- 07:00, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp @ Another F2P account, 26 Hitpoints, 399 xp -- 07:05, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp @ Another F2P account, 2 Attack, 69 xp -- 07:05, February 29, 2012 (UTC), Thank you, Zorak, for adding them to the table :) 08:03, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (defence) - 77 exp @ level 3.219.89.29.37 07:13, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp @ Noob F2p account, Fishing 4, 85 xp -- 17:05, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp @ Noob F2p account, Crafting 5, 94 xp -- 17:05, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (defence) - 1 Defence - 63 exp 22:06, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (Attack) - 80 Attack - 3980 xp
 * Small lamp @ Ameobea10 - 65 Summoning 2085 xp 00:24, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (Crafting) - 6 - 104xp Wales Thug 1 00:51, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small (magic) lamp - 38 Magic - 662 xp. Member's account.
 * Small lamp - 57 Runecrafting - 1,485 Xp
 * Small lamp - 16 Attack - 262xp (Possible formula derived as quartic: 0.00014161x^4-0.0102526x^3+0.45659209x^2+5.9463159x+57.9733806, r^2 value was 0.99961788. Also possibly a logistic function: (70556.2506/(1+610.547619e^(-0.04506482x))) Mean squared error: 3164.55266) Am643602 05:15, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small Lamp - 77 Range - 3,496 xp OHIO BOBCATS 06:20, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 22 pray - 337 xp -- 08:24, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 43 str - 818xp moneyfm2 March 1 (friend account)
 * Small lamp- 24 str- 367.5 (got 367 as shown and 368 in xp counter) moneyfm2 March 1 (friend account)
 * Small lamp - 14 prayer- 229xp ~ DallasMav 00:09, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp - 94 rc - 7236 xp Farmyboy 00:11, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 63 Agility - 1,912 Xp
 * Small lamp - 61 Crafting - 1,758 xp OHIO BOBCATS 06:19, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 56 Constitution - 1,422 xp OHIO BOBCATS 06:26, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 50 Defence - 1,101 xp (1,102 in xp Counter) OHIO BOBCATS 06:26, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 71 Fishing - 2,693 (2,694 in xp Counter) Wales Thug 1 07:55, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp - 23 hp -352 moneyfm2 March 2 (non main acc)
 * Small lamo - 62 summoning 1836xp -- 10:33, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 66 Crafting - 2,172 xp 01:39, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 79 Dungeoneering - 3,793 xp 04:29, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (Ranged) - 85 Ranged - 4919 xp
 * Small lamp @ 13 Prayer - 206.5 xp -- 07:33, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp - 67 runecrafting -- 09:27, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (cooking) - lvl 77 - xp 3.495 Silverling 15:30, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (constitution) - level 82 4,348 xp -- 10:55, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (farming) - level 56 1,422 xp -- 10:55, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (smithing) - level 69 2,470 xp -- 00:11, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp-25hp- 384xp march 8 moneyfm2 (friend account)
 * Small Lamp (Dungeoneering) - 62 Dungeoneering - 1,836 Xp 00:15, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small Lamp - fish - 46 - 929 xp -- 19:57, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small Lamp - Farming - 68 - 2,379 Xp 01:24, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small Lamp - Prayer - 70 - 2,593 Xp 01:24, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (Woodcutting) - Woodcutting - 15 - 252 xp JalYt-Mej-Wynde 20:57, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp- 64 farming- 2005xp moneyfm2
 * Added a small lamp used on smithing that was level 28. I actually got it in medium, But I cut it in half.
 * small lamp (smithing)- 25 - 3215xp moneyfm2
 * small lamp (strength) - lvl 21 - 324xp moneyfm2
 * small lamp- 42 dungeoneering - 785xp moneyfm2
 * Small lamp - Prayer - 75 - 3214 xp (there is a value in table of 3215, but I don't see an entry in this list for lvl 75) JalYt-Mej-Wynde 23:38, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp (cooking)- lvl 27- 417xp moneyfm2
 * small lamp (mining)- lvl 44 - 854xp moneyfm2
 * small lamp- 7 magic - 114xp moneyfm2
 * Small lamp - Prayer 75 - 3214.5 xp (3214 in the dialog, 3214 in the xp animation - twice on 21 March JalYt-Mej-Wynde 20:40, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small lamp (Dung) - Dung lvl 77 - 3495.5 (3495 in dialog, 3496 in xp animation) JalYt-Mej-Wynde 20:40, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * small lamp- 32 smith- 514xp moneyfm2.
 * Small lamp- level 52- 1204xp
 * Small lamp- level 53- 1250xp
 * Small lamp- level 87- 5376xp
 * Small lamp- level 91- 6452xp

Medium
Again, I left out the inconsistencies. 03:27, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Medium Lamp - level 88 rc - 11,185 xp
 * Medium lamp - level 95 constitution - 15065xp 16:56, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * medium lamp - 69 sum - 4940 17:00, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - level 46 farm - 1,858 Astral Bunny 17:07, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - level 90 pray - 12,244 Astral Bunny 17:07, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 87 Runecrafting - 10,701 xp 17:50, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 80 summoning - 7916 xp
 * Medium lamp - 89 Runecrafting - 11,845 xp Gidedin 18:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 84 Constitution - 9,524 xp OHIO BOBCATS 20:03, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 67 Firemaking - 4,538 xp 21:40, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 51 Runecrafting - 2,297 xp 22:03, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 98 Summoning - 17,204 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 1 Prayer - 125 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 52 Herblore - 2300 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 54 rc - 2,609 xp 22:06, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 58 fishing - 3,092 xp (3092.5? 3092 in the chatbox, 3093 on the counter)
 * Medium (rc) Lamp - 98 runecrafting - 17,204 xp. 00:06, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 53 Construction - 2499 xp (2499.5? 2499 in the chatbox, 2500 on the counter)
 * Medium lamp (Woodcutting) - 87 Woodcutting - 10,751 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 62 Dungeoneering - 3671 (3671.5) Wales Thug 1 01:03, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium (Slay) Lamp - 74 Slay - 6,164 xp Sojurnstrs 01:20, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 88 Slayer - 11,185 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 90 Woodcutting - 12,243 XP 03:20, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 68 Runecrafting - 4,759 XP
 * Medium lamp - 91 Runecrafting - 12,903 XP 17:36, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 76 Mining - 6,679 XP DallasMav 00:05, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 81 crafting 8332 xp. Added it straight into the table  00:08, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp (smithing) - 83 Smithing - 9044xp 00:09, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp (Woodcutting) - 85 Woodcutting - 9,837 xp 00:27, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp - 94 Herblore - 14,472 - 00:52, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Med Lamp(2) - 75 Prayer - 6428xp 00:06, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium lamp (2) - 92 Thieving and 86 Construction - 13,229 and 10,299 -
 * Medium lamp - 99 - 17204 xp 22:24, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 70 Prayer - 5,186 Xp
 * Medium lamp - 65 mining - 4,168xp -- 11:30, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 56 RC - 2844 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 97 Mining 16,695 XP. 01:19, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 63 Agility - 3,823 Xp
 * Medium lamp (magic) - 78 magic - 7,294xp -- 00:12, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 100 Dungeoneering - 17,205 (comparing highscores before/after)
 * Medium Lamp (Summoning) - 59 Summoning - 3,233 Xp 15:16, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 73 Crafting - 5,893 Xp - 00:03, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Medium Lamp - 77 RC - 6,990 xp
 * Medium Lamp (fishing) - 77- 6991 xp moneyfm2
 * Medium Lamp - 27 Slayer - 838 xp
 * Medium Lamp - 28 Slayer - 868 xp.
 * Medium lamp (herblore) - level 72 - 5619.5xp moneyfm2
 * Medium lamp - 93 Runecrafting - 13,857 XP 00:08, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * medium lamp- 71 slayer - 5386xp moneyfm2

Large

 * Got a large lamp, 68 RC, 9,516.5 xp (9517 @ Button, 9516 said) -- 06:01, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Got a large lamp, 73 Prayer, said 11,786 exp 03:36, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Got a large lamp, spent on level 5 thieving. 373 exp.
 * Got a Large Lamp, Spent it on 55 Prayer and got 5,448 xp.
 * Large, constitution, level 96, 32258xp 00:05, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Large, 63 RC, it said 7645, got 7646, so, I guess it's safe to assume that it's 7645.5 XP.

Huge
Not much for data, but hopefully this presents it better. 03:27, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Are we still getting data for this?


 * Huge lamp - 1 Construction - 499 xp (From RSOF)
 * Huge lamp - 91 Summoning - ~51k xp (From RSOF)
 * Huge lamp (Slay) - 99 Slayer - 68,815 xp
 * Huge Lamp (Mining) - 87 Mining - 43008 xp (or 43003 xp) Gielinoran 00:59, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Huge Lamp - 98 Agility - 68,815 xp
 * Huge Lamp (Crafting) - 87 Crafting - 43,003 xp. 68.53.5.24 00:18, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Huge Lamp - 13 Farming - 1645 xp (source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lwyJXfN5wA)
 * Huge Lamp - 51 Herblore - 9185 xp (source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y94WBzrFZE8)
 * Huge Lamp (Dungeoneering) - 72 Dungeoneering - 22,474 xp -- 05:06, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't make a note of my own lamp.... but from looking at the numbers above, a medium lamp seems to give double the xp of a small one (eg 7533xp @ lvl 95 for small; 15,065@ lvl 95 for medium). And if we look at the small sample we have for huge lamps then it would seem that huge = 2 x large = 4 x medium = 8 x small 83.218.30.109 00:47, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * From the Data i have gathered it is clear that From Small to Med is x2, Med to Large is x2 , Large to Huge is x2. Also the xp is capped when it reaches level 98.
 * Here is a link to my Forum Thread http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/c=Edy0PoHLlFo/forums.ws?15,16,217,63597207, it has some more values that have been given to me by people posting in the thread , i will continue to update the second post when i can , i hope this helps you all Wales Thug 1 01:16, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * It seems that the formula for the Huge lamp, and by extension, the small, medium and large ones, contain an x^3. I cannot find any exact formula, but a decent approximation is 'experience = (x^3)/15'. This approximation is only a few k off at higher levels.


 * Yeah, your approximation seems the be close to the values at hand, but in order to narrow down the linear and quadratic factors (to make the formula more accurate) we need more values, 6 values like this isn't enough to get a good fit.

Whining
Hate people stealing my Squeal of Fortune Button which background i removed and replacing the orgininal picture... grrr.DracoSense 17:26, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * As soon as you upload an image or save an edit, you no longer own it. 17:50, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Lucky items
Luckey items Q&A:

Q - Do 'lucky' items degrade or do they simply last forever like the original items?

A - They do not degrade.

KingAronIV 17:30, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7138/screenshot245g.png Astral Bunny 17:34, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

I know, trying to confirm with other people who have gotten Lucky items but haven't found any others.

Coin reward
I'm almost 1,000% certain you can not get a 150m reward, but I thought I'd at least give someone the chance to defend it before I remove it.

Supermancav 17:50, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

I saw the 10m reward myself, I didn't get it so I can't confirm it's possible to actually get it. I can confirm I saw it. Astral Bunny 17:58, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

I know the 10m reward is real, but the 150m one was fake.

Supermancav 18:00, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * As is 275m and 500m. Jamflex confirmed. Sojurnstrs 18:15, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

can we get an admin to change page details so only user with wiki accounts can edit this, that way it will minimise all the vandalism of this page, everytime i go to remove it, i get an edit conflict because some idiot adding more vandalism

Would be nice^ Aiden99 18:19, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

How long do you have to be registered before you can edit protected pages? I can't edit the main page :( Astral Bunny 18:31, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

i believe i had lucky saradomin sword as a possible prize, the description of it mentioned about how it would be good for training strength (same guy who suggested protecting the page)

There is already an item in list of lucky saradomin sword Wales Thug 1 18:41, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

you will find that the item in the list is sara godsword, but it does show a sara sword, and on a similar note, the zamorak godsword links show sammy spear

I got two spins of 50 gp each - are the people who get divines and 10m cash gonna crash the economy?

It wouldnt crash the economy, the chances are so low, the game is most likely "rigged". Meaning this probaly lowers the hcances of even getting a "rare" item. Most likely the average player will get a "rare" item once every 1 to 2 years

F2P Rewards
{C}I've received the ten thousand coin reward from this wheel, but am uncertain if the 10M reward and Swagger Stick are. Can I get some clarification?


 * 10M reward was shown in at least one photo and was not contradicted in forum posts when the JMODs responded to everything else in the post. Swagger Stick was pic'd by a mate and confirmed through Quick Chat. Same with Swag Bag and Flying Goblin hat. Sojurnstrs 19:21, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * i also got a 10m cash option and it was very rare, moneyfm2

Value of Death
Considering these disappear on death, can anyone confirm what the value of these items of death are and whether they are feasible to use at places like Corp, without worry of losing them. The-Dreamcaster 19:31, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you use any of them on Corporeal Beast, YOU WILL PROBABLY lose it forever because you get no option to retrieve it from your Grave (There is no Grave at Corp too). As some JMods said, you'll have to select it from your Keep Itens on Death interface as it would not be selected as default. This need more confirmation too. Gidedin 19:55, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * -The lucky items disappear on death, but you can still save them by making it one of the three items you keep on death. In other words they WILL NOT appear on your gravestone. It was one of the questions on the FAQ


 * A person that got a Lucly Armadyl godsword said it's value is 1.25m

Neigh
Let's follow some Jagex advice and say neigh to this squeal of fortune. After saying neigh, let's just spin it and hope we get the 10m :3 20:24, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * It isn't Gambling if you can't lose. JackaNeeb 21:19, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yup, gambling implies lose (according to my dictionary). This is free stuff, so no gambling. Ik1111111 13:02, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Results from 120 spins
Spun the wheel 8 times on member accounts and around 100-120 times on non member accounts, so far I've only had one rare item (Large XP lamp) which was on a non member account.

Infraction 23:05, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

my first few spins so far

spin 1 first day: 50 coins (just missed the rare spot for d chain or sara sword

spin 2 first day: 50 gp

spin 1 2nd day: medium lamp (2300 herblore xp at lv 52)

spin 2 2nd day: 1 bronze arrow

81.104.122.226 00:12, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Day 1 - Spin #1: 50 gp, spin #2: 50 gp

Day 2 - Spin #1: Small attack lamp, spin #2: 50 gp

Personally:

Day 1: 50gp, small lamp

Day 2: 50gp, 50gp

86.137.150.239 07:53, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

"Can only be used..."
The article currently contains the line: "When receiving the 10,000,000 coins you can only use it in stores around Runescape." Does the 10m coin reward give some sort of special coins that can't be used to trade with other players? Or is this line completely false? --Littlebeast 07:20, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's false otherwise the 50gp and 10k prizes would not be usable on the G.E. as well. Somebody might as well remove it.86.137.150.239 07:52, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

That claim makes non sense at all. If you could only use the GP for stores, you could just buy 10M in spirit shards (40m shards) from a shard seller in taverly withihn like 20 minutes. Then, go to the pet shop in Yanille and sell the shards back in one click for 10M, effectively converting the "store only cash" into regular cash. I'm going to remove that. Yugiah 08:00, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Rewards Released!
Too busy studying for double exams to update pages, but pics are released (Including cosmetic tattoos): http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/Squeal_of_Fortune. Remove rsservice link afterwards please. Sojurnstrs 16:49, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Items DO NOT Degrade
As said by Mod Seven, they do not degrade. Here is the proof: http://www.webcitation.org/65p1sTx3y.

Gidedin Talk - 20:59, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Clarity of rewards
Hi, just adding some construcitve thought. Could there be a column for the rewards saying if they are free-to-play or member rewards? I've found it very unhelpful opening 15+ tabs to check.78.150.133.136 21:45, February 29, 2012 (UTC) J.

No need to mention corporeal beast..
Who do people mention that its easier to lose them in places like corp? You get an option to pick what items you keep at both the corp and when you get a grave. Having a grave is no use whatsoever because they wouldnt appear under the grave... I think this should be taken out and it would be a good idea to take it out of all the lucky items pages as well where it warns against using the items at corp.

They each say that you should avoid going to places where gravestoens do not appear. I can understand not taking them into pvp, but you have the exact same chance ot lose them in gwd as corp.

Kinda a trap.
Makes me laugh that you can get members items in f2p spins. I understand jagex wants to entice f2p players to go members, but this just seems kinda like a trap. Some f2p member gets a divine spirit and the only way to claim it is to go members right then or lose it. God vivec1 04:48, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

I swear the rare and super-rare items are more common to get on F2p accounts, I got a large and huge lamp on f2p noob and med lamp/yew bow on my main + other crap. I also hear other say they have gotten better spins on f2p accounts. I believe it's so f2p players think you get awesome prizes and sign up. DallasMav 07:25, March 1, 2012 (UTC) I think it would be related to you being subscribed or not, and not which wolrd you're currently in. DallasMav 01:32, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * If that's true (which I don't believe, but it could be), have you tried logging in on a F2P world and doing your spin(s) there? Could have a better shot then. 14:46, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Skill or chance?
Can we get someone to figure out whether there is any element of skill to the wheel? I would EXPECT it to be purely up to chance, but I've seen many people claiming to have techniques for it. So... --Littlebeast 00:43, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

No way any skill is involved what so ever. DallasMav 01:31, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

I personally think it's rigged; because when I do it, so far I've only ever been 1 off from a rare/super rare item. I believe that Jagex will let you win once in a certain number of times, or passibly each time you do it, the chances of getting a good item increase until you get one, and then it just resets. Although I have no proof, I'm pretty sure it's true, because if it was by chance and it moves x amount of times, then there'd probably be a bot coded to get the best possible items.. Even if it's between x and y amount of times the light moves, the bot will still increase the chances. So I think they rigged it to prevent that and others abusing that kind of thing. - New Name o
 * "Although I have no proof, I'm pretty sure it's true" That's why people believe in ghosts and why people lose their entire fortunes in gambling.
 * The spin is completely independent of WHEN you press the button, the distance the wheel will move when you attempt to hit the same point(like the point where the row of items breaks and continues on the opposite side) varies greatly. The spinning wheel is a visual gimmick to make players think they have some influence in the outcome, that is how gamblers are hooked in any game of pure chance. 77.213.195.89 23:00, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Eis Herz - Rewards
02:00, March 3, 2012 (UTC) Starting March 3;

Small lamp - 84 Herblore - 4762 EXP

Medium lamp - 84 Herblore - 9524 EXP

Medium lamp - 99 Fletching - 17,204 EXP

3x 50GP.

Skill or Chance?
How does the thing decide when to stop? does it stop at the place that was glowing when you pressed the button? Or doesn it even matter when you press the button? Because if it does, then there is a way to get a rare item everytime.


 * When you hit the button, a number is randomly generated, and this number determines the prize. Zero Skill. BasementJaxx 10:13, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

How do you know for sure though???


 * Well if there was some sort of pattern, or logic to how and when it stops, people like me would crack it very quickly. I would then get all the great drops every time, someone would tell someone else, a youtube video would appear, and everyone would be walking around with a bandos godsword, a dragon full helm covered in fancy tattoos.


 * Modern slot/fruit machines work in a similar way; a random number determines what you have won, the reels then are made to display the result. Without any hard facts, I would estimate the ranges to be something like 1 in 500 for the super rare, 1 in 100 for a rare, 1 in 25 for uncommon and the rest would be the common junk. So if these number are anywhere near accurate, it would go something like this;


 * Pick a random number between 1 and 500.


 * If the number is 500, you get a super rare. If the number is 499,498,497,496,495 you get a rare. If the number is 494-475 you get an uncommon item, and any other number would give a junk item. Obviously these numbers are guesses, but you get the idea. BasementJaxx 19:37, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

I've counted both the time it takes to stop spinning and observed the spin speed. Both or one of them vary very slightly every time, presumably to get to the number defined when pressing the button. Either way, it is highly likely that the fancy wheel is just a gimmick to get players to think they'll get rare rewards easily. The reward may even be defined when the player opens the interface, and so the rest of the items shown are irrelevant. Corbiere 09:10, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Calculation Lamp XP Rewards
Your problem with this table is that you just multiplied the values in the "small lamp" column by 8 to fill in the gaps for the "huge lamp" table. This doesn't really work though. Take the values we have for the huge lamps for example. For level 1 we know that it is supposed to be 499 xp, the small lamp value times 8 is 496 xp. And for level 99 the small lamp value times 8 is 68816 instead of the 68815 it's supposed to be. In order to get a correct formula you'd need more data for the huge lamp column and devide those values by 2 / 4 / 8 to get the small / med / large lamp values. Doing that you get values that, rounded up, match the values for the other columns.

50m coin reward?
Can someone confirm whether or not this is true or false, and if so, I or someone else will clean it up. Heal ppl 01:33, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

I do believe that is false. 02:10, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

It is very much false! Jagex has defined the rewards. Sojurnstrs 06:59, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Possible Items
Can anyone explain why the possible items area says that (m) indicates member-only items and only a few select items under "Members only items" sections of the table have this indicator?
 * The members only sections are ALL members only, so don't need the (m) indicator. 07:07, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * ~Indeed, which is why I was wondering why some of the members only sections had (m) indicators. Anyway, I don't think I see them anymore, so you can ignore this now.

The chance of getting a divine
I decided to calculate the chance of receiving a divine spirit shield. These calculations are extremely likely incorrect as there are no confirmed chances of anything, but it should give you a rough idea.

There are about 30 very rare items, according to the wiki. I'll take a chance of 1% to get on the very rare item slot, though that is probably not right.

If you get at the very rare item slot, the divine would have to be there.

The chance of a divine being on the very rare slot is 100/30=3.33%.

0.0333*0.01=0.000333=0.0333%.

Now, I will calculate the amount of spins needed to have a 50% chance of getting a divine. If you are a member, you can divide it by two.

n is the number of days required.

1-0.000333=0.999667

0.999667^n=0.5

Using my calculator, I found that 0.999667^2080 is roughly 0.5.

So according to my calculations, which of course aren't very precise, a member would have to spin over 2000 times, which is over 1000 days, which is about 3 years, to have a chance of 50% of receiving a divine.

So I don't think the market will be flooded by divines.

EDIT: according to the jagex RS wiki, some rare items are much rarer than others. I think I can divide the chance by 50. That would get:

0.000333/50=6.66*10^-6

(1-6.66*10^-60)^10400 is about 0.5, so it would take roughly 10400 spins to get a 50% chance. 10400/2=5200

5200/365=14.24 years.

14.24 years is quite a lot of time (actually, it is about as long as RS exists).

Does anyone have something to add to it, like more precise chances of getting at the very rare item slot? 11:44, March 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * According to the Jagex RS wiki, some rare/super-rare items are much, much rarer than others. I guess I can divide the chance by 50, I might do that in a moment. 12:10, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I did it. 12:16, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

While none of those 46 f2p charaters of mine haven't gotten 10m pot in the wheel even once within last whole week, i've gotten 5 times 10m pot on my p2p acc already, within same time... I even had 2 × 10m pots in the wheel at same time once! Yet, ofc obv, at all those 5 times of 10m possibility, not gotten any. But the point is that it's either 10 × rarer to get 10m pot even to the wheel in f2p than p2p, eh? Or then thou haven't put that price to f2ps wheels, what...


 * I haven't seen it yet either, on multiple accounts (all F2P). I'll let you know if I do. 14:41, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I had 2 10M pots in a row on f2p over consecutive days, but I haven't seen it since. My p2p account seems to have it showing up every day! Corbiere 09:06, March 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Have seen it once @ a F2P account, never at my main. ;-). -- 16:22, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * ^thanks!(46 batallioneer)

Ring of Wealth does not work
Is this statement correct? Should it not be added to the article? 14:19, March 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming it is implicit -- the ring of wealth is already known to just increase your chances of getting better rare DROPS. Why would anyone assume it works here?

Buying Spins
Well now Jagex are allowing real world trading, by letting you buy spins for real world money. This is an all time low for Jagex in my opinion. Your views? BasementJaxx 10:33, April 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * This is not a forum. Please go elsewhere to discuss this. 82.170.83.11 11:10, April 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I didnt claim it was a forum, it is however a discussion page, hence my discussion. It just goes to show that trolls are everywhere, maybe you should be the one finding a somewhere else to troll...... BasementJaxx 12:45, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is real world trading. Despite whatever lame excuse Jagex comes up with. -Captain Metaphor

95 spins
So I bought 75 spins today, and got some double spin tickets and was able to do 95 spins on one account. here's what I got, for statistical purposes:

 95 spins:

Lamps:

small xp lamp (fishing) (x3)

small xp lamp (x3)

small xp lamp (Smithing) (x1)

small xp lamp (dungeoneering) (x1)

small xp lamp (smithing) (x1)

small xp lamp (ranged) (x1)

small xp lamp (defence) (x1)

small xp lamp (mining) (x1)

Total small xp lamps: 12 (1 out of 7)

medium xp lamp (x12) (1 out of 8 spins)

medium xp lamp (cooking) (x1)

medium xp lamp (summoning) (x1)

medium xp lamp (construction) (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">medium xp lamp (runecrafting) (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">medium xp lamp (thieving) (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">medium xp lamp (constitution) (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">medium xp lamp (fishing) (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">Total medium xp lamps: 19 (1 out of 5 spins)

<p style="font-style: normal;">Items sorted by frequency:

<p style="font-style: normal;">50x Coins (x23) (1 out of 4 spins)

<p style="font-style: normal;">double spin ticket (x10) (1 out of 10 spins)

<p style="font-style: normal;">3x Logs (x7)

<p style="font-style: normal;">adamant hatchet (x4)

<p style="font-style: normal;">green d'hide body (x3)

<p style="font-style: normal;">3x Gold ore (x2)

<p style="font-style: normal;">uncut sapphire (x2)

<p style="font-style: normal;">40x steel arrow (x2)

<p style="font-style: normal;">2x cowhide (x2)

<p style="font-style: normal;">5x Raw tuna (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">rune battleaxe (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">3x iron ore (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">silver ore x5 (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">rune scimitar (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">soft clay 2x (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">yew logs x2 (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">rune pickaxe (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">anchovy pizza (x1)

<p style="font-style: normal;">Hope this will be useful to somebody.

iLevi; at your service. 11:13, April 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Whoa, that's an equivalent of 50 small lamps! Should we list this as a training method, even though it costs money? 21:14, April 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought they supposedly removed some lower-value items? I guess 50gp isn't a low value? 00:39, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * This shit is soooooo RIGGED! I've spun over 200 times(Not all at once) and haven't gotten 1 rare item, it either stops before of after it, there's no point in it. Jagex will not allow it to stop directly on the Rare or Super rare item without a glitch... It's just not fucking possible.


 * It actually is possible... On first of April (yes it was Aprils Fools, but Im not joking...) I got lucky Armadyl Chainskirt. Since I had original skirt, I could sell it and thus save 12.5 mill. But yes, I am pretty darn sure it is possible. (Btw, checking my Alog will not work long cause Im leveling a lot now, and no not by buying spins.......)


 * Never buy any sort of features that seems similar to gambling, when you can earn the spins naturally. This is the same concept for any f2p mmo, you are inevitably selling yourself to the business. Jagex is a business and not once was it about people. Today I managed to get about 4-6 spins, 2 daily and 3-4 spin tickets?
 * I find that Runescape players (the majority it seems) can't notice when someone is dangling a bait in front of them. 184.175.24.84 06:22, April 6, 2012 (UTC)Anonymous

Log of Spins
Log of Spins (83)

http://pastebin.com/Lm7MxFt8

Will we be covering the riots concering this new update? At this moment it's 2k+ posts of rants and counting...

60.50.17.188 16:39, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Is there a limit to how many spins you can buy?
My friend says $200, but I can't find anything to verify it. If it is, is it weekly/daily, etc? and If so, someone should post evidence, like a screenshot saying the limit has been reached, or a Jmod post. 71.15.123.101 01:45, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Would it make sense if Jagex "wanted" you to spend less money on them? Think about it really hard for a minute. 184.175.24.84 06:24, April 6, 2012 (UTC) Anonymous

Investors, Board members
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A log of spins based off of YouTube videos
<p style="font-style: normal;">These are some spins I have copied off of YouTube videos. I'll list the link to the YouTube videos I am using as I go along so that others don't accidentally add information from the same video again:

<p style="font-style: normal;">- Runescape Sparc Mac's 75 Squeal of Fortune Spins! - Is it worth it? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHQ60i2n5Cc)

<p style="font-style: normal;">-

<p style="font-style: normal;">-

<p style="font-style: normal;">-

<p style="font-style: normal;">-

<p style="font-style: normal;">I'll scavenge for other YouTube videos with a good number of spins in them, and add them to this log. (Small and Medium refer to the lamps)

<p style="margin-top: 0.4em; margin-bottom: 0.5em;">1 - Small (DUNGEON)

23 - 50 GP

2 - Small (SMITH)

2 - 3 coal

1 - 3 gold ore

9 - Medium

7 - Small

1 - Cut emerald

1 - Medium (DUNGEON)

2 - Small (STR)

6 - Double Spin

2 - Small (RC)

1 - Medium (COOK)

1 - Adamant hatchet

3 - 3 Law runes

3 - 2 Yews

2 - Rune pickaxe

1 - Medium (DEF)

1 - Rune longsword

1 - 3 logs

2 - Small (PRAY)

1 - Rune platebody

1 - Rune 2h

1 - 40 steel arrow

1 - Medium (FM)

1 - 2 raw swordfish

1 - 3 iron ore

1 - Medium (RANGED)

1 - Uncut sapphire

1 - Anchovy pizza

1 - Medium (CRAFT)

1 - Medium (RC)

1 - Medium (THIEF)

1 - 5 silver ore

Morconi87 21:41, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Forum reaction
On the day of the update, a Jagex mod wrote a forum topic outlining the details of the update. Several thousand replies were made (almost exclusively negative) within hours) Jagex responded by deleting these replies and making it impossible to add any more replies to the post.

Jagex Ownership
It is worth noting that this has recently changed. Private equity investors, motivated only by obtaining a decent return for their investor's now hold over 50% of the voting rights of the company, explaining new, more aggressive marketing initiatives such as the squeal of fortune, refer a friend policy, bonus xp, auras etc.

Pertaining to "citation needed".

Note: This is for a subheading (Precedent) in the controversy section.

May I use Runescape forum threads, or screenshots, as citations? Or must I create a twitter account and obtain the original source? Tylermurphie 21:30, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Citing the actual tweets in concern would be better rather than second hand sources 21:34, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Gambling debate
There is a topic on the runescape forums about the fact that Jagex claims the Squeal of Fortune is not gambling and the tc uses the real-life equivilant of the SoF in comparison to challenge this claim.

I can't remember the QFC or title of the topic, however inside it the tc talked about how he contacted Caesar's Palace, a famous casino in Las Vegas, and asked them about one of their features, a wheel exactly the same as the SoF wheel, in their casino. He found out that despite the player winning an prize on every spin in return for the entry fee, they had to classify the wheel as gambling due to the player not recieving a set prize that was worth the value of the entry fee, and so is illegal for below 18s to play.


 * This is misleading at best. SquealOfFortune is NOT exactly like Big6. The wheel in the casino has multiple sections, but some occur more than others. You bet on which section the wheel will stop on. If your right you win, from doubling your money for the common occuring spaces and up to 40x your bet for the most rare. If you bet on one section, and it doesnt stop on that section you lose your whole bet. So you could theoretically never win on the Big6 wheel. But you can never lose on SOF. This is like comparing chalk and cheese. For the record, this is NOT gambling, you are buying a spin. Do you consider your monthly membership gambling? NO, yet its exactly the same, your spending money for ultimately nothing tangible in return. I also hate this update, and have since quit RS. BasementJaxx 13:16, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

In comparison to SoF, it's apparantly NOT gambling because you win something every time, and apparantly a cabbage or a bucket is worth a spin (20p per spin if buying 75 spins). Would you say a bucket or a cabbage is worth 20p?


 * No. A cabbage is worth zero, but then so is a sara sword or a huge lamp. Everything is worth nothing. Its not gambling because you cant win cold hard cash, and it really is that simple. BasementJaxx 13:17, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

A person can legally play rs from the age of 13 onwards and SoF is gambling. Jagex is allowing and encouraging gambling for minors, Jagex are doing something against the law.

Could somebody please consider adding this to the 'Gambling' section of this article in a sensible manner?86.140.103.169 14:33, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would attempt this, being somewhat of a gambling know it all. However I think its a very tricky subject. I honestly dont think its gambling at all. Nor a lottery. You buy spins, you technically win nothing. In gambling you have a chance to gain money, but are always fighting negative exptectation in the form of the 'house edge'. In this game we have no idea what the house edge is, as Jagex has not disclosed the probabilities of each segment showing up. It could be a positive expectation game (but I doubt that). Its not a lottery either, if you win the lottery you have more money than you did when you started. Once you buy SOF spins, you have lost that money and there is no way to get it back. We need to start looking at this as an add-on to membership. Jagex claimed from the beginning that peoples real world wealth should not give you an in-game advantage, but they have been two-faced from the start and we all missed it. Anyone who could afford the membership fee had a massive advantage over anyone in free to play all along, and I think a lot of the younger players couldnt afford or wouldnt get the money from their parents to be able to play members in the first place. Do you think levelling prayer is a level playing field between f2p and members? What about monster drop potential? SOF is not gambling, its a tax for the lazy. BasementJaxx 11:11, April 25, 2012 (UTC)