RuneScape:Requests for adminship/Urbancowgurl777

Urbancowgurl777
In all my time I've spent editing and administrating the RS wiki, I've rarely seen a user more passionate and dedicated than Urbancowgurl777. With nearly ten thousand edits and climbing, Urbancowgurl777 is literally everywhere, doing everything. When a new piece of content is released, she helps create new articles about items, NPCs, locations, etc. She has uploaded hundreds of images, using her excellent OoO skills to improve many images of poor quality. She is often among the first, if not the first, to respond to new Yew Grove discussions. She is always polite and reasonable on peoples' talk pages, promptly responds to messages, and will cheerfully help anyone who needs it.

However, her most important activities with regards to this RfA are her countervandalism and maintenance work. Every day, she's at the forefront of Recent Changes, reverting (and warning!) vandals as quickly as they submit their edits. She works on standardizing some parts of the wiki that are somewhat chaotic, like file names. She is always bugging me on IRC or in-game about a vandal that needs blocking, a page that needs deleting or protecting, or a file that needs merging. If she can't reach me, I'm sure she's pestering someone else.

It was brought to my attention not long ago that we have been slacking a bit in the countervandalism department. I mostly agree; even I haven't watched Recent Changes as much, and we can't rely on suppa (who seems to do the majority of blocking) all the time. When I was asked if I knew of any potential candidates for administrators that specialize in countervandalism, Urbancowgurl777 immediately jumped to my mind. I think someone with her dedication and focus on the site could use a banhammer pretty effectively. At the very least, I would finally get some peace and quiet as she stops making me do stuff every few minutes.

Discuss. -- 20:42, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

''I accept this nomination for adminship. I have read the policies concerning administrators. I realise that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my tools because I realise that this is a serious offence. If the community finds that I have done so, my tools will be revoked, and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban. Signed,'' 00:31, June 14, 2011 (UTC).

Questions for the nominee
1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

Countervandalism and deletion maintenance. That is, reverting vandalism, blocking vandals, deleting pages, protecting pages, merging files, deleting files, protecting files... 00:31, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

2. What are your best contributions to the RuneScape Wiki, and why?

I believe every positive edit is a great contribution, but if I were to pick my most constructive, it would probably be between my countervandalism, image work and helping out on new updates (creating new pages, reverting new update vandalism, etc). 00:31, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

'''3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?'''

Nothing is notable really. I've been in a few arguments over differences in views, but I usually nip things like that in the bud, or agree to disagree. In the future I plan to do the same. 00:31, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Additional questions (asked by the community if necessary)
I see you take a lot of decent images, and I do enjoy looking at them :) What do you think makes you stand out as the average user? 12:20, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, not only do I do image work, but also countervandalism, categorizing, templating, making new pages, helping out on talk pages, tagging, and general editing. The "average user" would do only one or two of what I mentioned above really - people seem to pick and choose how they edit. I'm more of an all-around user, and due to this, I could "use the tools" in multiple areas of the wiki. 17:59, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would refute that the average user is not a sysop. So what separates you from other sysops, what do you add that is all you?   20:59, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't thinking about status when I said "average user". What do I add that is all me? All of my countervandalism and deletion tags - I constantly need to contact someone to block or delete something. 21:03, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * There are just a few sysops that aren't/weren't actively involved in vandalism. I'm somewhat concerned about your answers to these questions, you seem to not be taking them very seriously.   00:25, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course I'm taking them seriously... Answering a "why are you good" question isn't exactly easy. How have I displayed not being serious? 00:41, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps "seriously" was the wrong word. I would have liked a little more detail on the standard 3 asked to everyone, because you basically just gave generic answers that don't tell anyone anything.  In my mind this just shows a lack of commitment.  Maybe that's not your attitude, but that is what is being communicated.  I never asked "why are you good", so much as "what makes you different".   00:59, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I constantly have to find sysops to carry out tasks I'm doing. That makes me different - I hardly ever see anyone have to drag sysops around everywhere to delete/merge/block things/people. Whether it be a multiple vandal attacks or replacing every single forum image with a JPG version, therefore having to delete the old versions. I am "different" because I am always doing something on the wiki that currently requires help. I do not have a lack of commitment, *points to contributions*. If you mean lack of commitment in the answers, they were hard for me to answer as I am not good at answering questions about myself. Especially those which seem to be there to boost one's ego. My best contributions? I've done so many good things for the wiki, how can I possibly measure which is best if countervandalism and images are too generic? 01:07, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I constantly have to find sysops to carry out tasks I'm doing. That makes me different... Isn't that what every nomination is for...? Sysops aren't just made sysops for the hell of it, they are given the tools because of the need. Not seeing how that makes you stand out? 03:34, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're insinuating here. 03:36, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * She is saying that what makes her stand out is the need of sysop tools, from other sysops, but isn't that what every nominee is being nominated for? For the need of the tools for themselves. 03:46, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

(tab reset) My understanding of the question is "What makes you stand out from other users who do not have the tools?" It doesn't make much sense to ask what sets her apart from other users who have access to and use the tools. 03:47, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure it does. If she's exactly like Sentra, exactly like Ajr, exactly like Suppa...etc, then what's the point in making her a sysop?  (I understand that's a hard question, but not impossible, and I think it's still a reasonable one.)  I asked her what she brings to the table that is different and she still hasn't really given me a clear answer.  But I figured at this point I wasn't gonna get one, so no need to make a big deal and blow something up.   15:14, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * If she's the same as us then she'd make a great sysop, and would be able to help us out :) 15:16, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * From the top of my head, I can't think of any other big image making sysops. What do I bring to the table? I bring to the table not only countervandalism, but fresh, new images. Oftentimes an image has to be replaced with a different version, therefore requiring it to be deleted. Instead of letting it sit for a few hours in the speedy deletion category or hunting down another sysop, I intend to make the speedy deletion category live up to its name. Not only will I be doing this for my own reasons, but for other image editors who need things speedy deleted or merged often. 15:27, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

 * I don't even need to know whether or not the candidate accepts this to support. They have a clear need for the tools, and will use them well. 20:49, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * She told me that she would accept the nomination; she'll do so as soon as she's able to. -- 20:51, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Support I think most of the blocks I have given in the last three months are based on edits I see Urban reverting, she knows whats what. (even if she does use a noob fm method )--Degenret01 05:52, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I'm not saying she don't have a use for the tools - she has a great use for the tools, which makes this even better - but sometimes what we need is not necessarily someone who edits a lot or has a use for the tools, but someone who is just calm, sensible, and neutral. I honestly believe Fergie is that person. 06:23, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Support - *mummblegrummble*So when andorin suggests it she...*mummblegrummble* A perfect candidate for adminship in my opinion.
 * Sensible and calm
 * Active in the YG and other discussions
 * Very active antivandal
 * Demonstrates a clear need/use for the tools
 * Can be easily contacted via private message on the IRC
 * Knows when a username is extremely offensive... *looks at sentra*...
 * If you can find a good reason why she shouldn't have admin tools, do share... - 06:45, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I can't tell when a username is offensive either  06:47, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Shown an excellent need for "the tools" through her counter-vandalism efforts. 06:47, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * While she continues to show evidence of future use for "the tools"; after a discussion with a user on IRC, it appears that, based on evidence from chat logs, Urban is not as level-headed as I previously thought, I change to a weak oppose/neutral. 09:03, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Good person, and she obviously would use the tools, even if she can't stand the amount of testosterone in the #wikia-runescape channel. 15:21, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * After a discussion with a few users on IRC, it has been brought to my attention that she is not always as level headed and calm as she appears to be, evidence being in some chat logs I was shown of private messages between other users. 01:18, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd like to specify I don't oppose her gaining the tools, as I know she will use them with appropriately. 03:06, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Despite my slight inactivity (kinda) on this wiki, I have seen plenty of her work. She is a well-rounded user and would use the tools well. 15:29, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

support -- 15:43, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Wait a minute, I thought you were already an admin  21:02, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - Since Urban performs so many helpful maintenance tasks each day for the Wiki, I can't believe that she isn't already an admin. We need to fix this immediately, methinks. 17:29, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Urban has shown considerable maturity, excellent communication skills, sound judgement, and a distinct use for the tools. The wiki will benefit with her as an administrator. -- 00:12, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Strong support - Fridge is a top-tier user who knows what's good for the wiki. 17:57, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Fergie is a great candidate for an admin: she is mature, level-headed, quick at counter-vandalism, and a nice person to talk to. She also has a constant use for the tools. she should join the IRC though ;) 17:13, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * i c wat u did thar, and I agree. ^_^ 10:39, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Although I would rather be neutral, there's too much on the support side of the scale for me to say so or to oppose at all. While I'm not sure if you're fully ready for adminship, there's no reason not to oppose or stay neutral that I can think of. 15:36, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * So your reasoning for supporting is that other people are supporting? That makes no sense. 17:12, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Peer pressure 17:19, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I could be saying the same thing to your statement, chess. I was origionally going to quote what Liquid said on Rsa's RFA, but I felt more strongly to support. But in essence, it's how I feel. 17:26, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Support - You've really improved in recent months. Not 100% sure if you're ready but we won't know unless we let you try 17:19, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * After reading some of the evidence about your ability to stay calm, I am switching to neutral, as I cannot oppose as I have not seen it first hand but the evidence means I can no longer support 21:15, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Active antivandal, and a nice person overall. I think Fergie would be a good admin, and make good use of the tools. 11:20, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Urban does work diligently to cleanse the wiki just as those of yesteryear did previously. As much as I don't think we need another counter-vandal administrator, if what the above stays true, then I would plan on seeing Urban overtake those like Suppa for the block log in the weeks to come. Not that I am against the removal of counter-vandalism, but one would like to see more editors that know how to work in the MediaWiki namespace. 13:29, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Neutral - Yes, Fergie has a high edit count, she's a really cheerful person, she's been lurking around here for a long time, and she would benefit from accessing the blocking tool, but I have slight doubts over whether she needs tools besides that. I do think she's a great countervandal, but I don't think that's quite enough to merit a sysopping. 16:14, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Strong oppose - She indeed could use the tools as mentioned multiple times above, but I do not trust her with the tools. Unlike other people above, I disagree that she is mature, as I've seen her turn a simple disagreement into ad hominem before. That certainly does not show maturity. She also can sometimes get too emotional with things, which also does not show maturity. I oppose, as lack of maturity and an antivandal sysop make a horrible combination. 16:33, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's have some evidence, because the person you're describing isn't the person I know. 17:43, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Links or it never happened bro 06:55, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - Fergie is hands down the most hardworking, calm, and mature person I have encountered on this wiki. There is nobody else on this wiki I would trust with sysop tools as much as I would with Fergles. 17:50, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I'm withdrawing my comments. 22:06, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - I can't believe I'm writing this about Fergie. Fergie has always been so sensible. So calm. So mature. And she's always had such a good use for the tools. I'm not ashamed to say that I used to look up to Fergie. When I saw this rfa, I jumped in and supported right off the bat.

But alas, there was so little I actually knew.

I have seen various logs of discussions with Fergie in the IRC. I was shocked by her behaviour in comparison to what I previously knew of her. I wholeheartedly agree with the points Chess has made and I commend him for making them in the first place.

In one log I saw, she was going off about Rsa's RFA. She said that she had been here longer and had more edits than Rsa, and was practically raging about Rsa getting nommed and not her.

Another log I saw she was getting upset about how she had a couple of opposes on her RFA and that it's "not perfect" and that she was unliked. She was over-exageerating this completely.

I have not seen much more, but I find it easily possible for other incidents that Chess touched on to have arised.

Fergie is a great editor. She does practically everything I can think of, from general editing to counter-vandalism to image making and she's great at it, but I do believe that her personality and maturity does have problems. What I have seen is absolutely not the behaviour I want to see from an administrator.

Based on these points, I'm opposing.

09:07, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm changing my position to Weak oppose. I do feel that actions taken on IRC by Fergie should be comepletely relevant to this discussion, but I do believe, as I stated, that Fergie is a great editor and that she is one of the best candidates right now. However, I still believe that the way a sysop acts and how they deal with problems (ie., maturity) should be the biggest factor when giving a user the rights in question. 22:14, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

 Oppose  - Sorry to have to do this especially at the last minute, but I don't think the time is right for you to become a sysop. You're by far one of the best countervandals and image-makers on the wiki, but use of sysop tools or general wiki achievement is not what concerns me. Based on some of your private chats with me12 I don't think you react well at all to stressful situations. As a sysop you need to not only be in control of this situations all the time, but there are a lot more of them. I have other logs of you complaining about how useless you are, complaining about drama (and then getting involved in it) and other things that are not helpful to your candidacy. I'm sorry for the betrayal of privacy, but I think that the community's right to know all the facts should come first. 09:28, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Based on some of your private chats with me 1 people might have doubts about whether you can get on with your fellow wiki users. Does that mean that you go around acting on your private feelings? Of course it doesn't. In fact, a later chat 2 shows that you put whatever you personally feel to one side when you have a job to do, as is right and proper. As Sir Bernard Woolley says, it's a matter of hats. You seem to be able to wear the right one at the right time, and it stands to reason that others can too. 14:12, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * The examples you have given, and the examples cook has given are completely different. On cook's first example, you see fergie getting mad, because rsa gets sysopped before her, which, clearly does not show maturity. On the other hand, Cook complains about Sentra's sysopship saying that he is not ready, which is a valid reason. On cook's second example, fergie gets mad because she got opposed by someone. There have been unsuccessful RfA's in the past simply because the nominee tried to defend themselves to clarify a point; 'because you should be ready to accept those if you are doing a RfA.' Well, she clearly couldn't handle an oppose. Now, I have no idea why your second example is supposed to show immature behaviour or anything similar, so I can't really respond to that. 17:54, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I got your point now, as you've explained it to me on the IRC. Anyways, my point still stands. Your first example of Cook only shows that he didn't believe sentra was ready for adminship, which is acceptable. Cook's examples show immaturity. 18:16, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what cook said, it's not his RfA and is thus completely irrelevant. 19:37, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think a main difference between what you posted and what I posted is that my complaints usually have action attached to them; fergie's are generally just her being mad about something. From all my experience with fergie in IRC, I have never seen her put aside her feelings in a way that you say I did in your second log. Beyond this, what she says shows other problems. Her need for recognition is so great that she finds it necessary to extol her own virtues in comparison to someone else who is doing an RfA. The second one shows that she can't take a single oppose on her RfA (which is of course supposed to test someone's mettle) without taking it as a personal attack and thinking that she's "unliked". On the other hand, what you posted about me simply showed that I thought Chaos Monk's arguments regarding your thread made no sense, and that I was exploring a desysop thread for Sentra. 20:14, June 25, 2011 (UTC) 20:19, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Neutral - While I still have issues about what I posted earlier, I think I may be over-scrutinizing. I think you'll make a fine sysop if you stay out of drama and the like. 22:04, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

To clarify my support, I do not believe that this whole thing of her letting her guard down on the IRC is any reason to oppose. Who doesn't act a bit more relaxed on the IRC? 14:17, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a difference between being relaxed and what she's done. She has shown a lack of control in serious situations without any trace of humor or reason to believe that those are not her true feelings about what she's talking about. 20:19, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Ajr is right. Those of you who are opposing this RfA because of incidents on IRC would do well to provide examples of poor behavior on Fergie's part on the wiki. Her words in public channels and private conversations should have no bearing on her actions on the wiki. -- 18:44, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Examples of wiki misbehavior should not be necessary to show that there is a problem; when she is having a serious talk about something related to the wiki in a way that makes me question her judgment, I consider it to be completely relevant. As for RS:NOT plus the possible invasion of privacy, Caleb made a point after closing Sentra's RfA that accusations made with evidence have much more weight than those made without evidence or with only allusions to some sort of evidence. Do I feel bad about betraying my friend's privacy? Yes. But I think it was necessary. 20:19, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - I've been giving this one some thought. I don't think you're a bad editor, but I don't think you're ready to be a sysop. Based on the responses that you have given others, you have shown that you do have a bit of an immaturity issue. Looking here we see that you might actually have a legitimate use for the deletion tool. However, at this point in time, I don't think we have a huge need for someone else with tools who isn't ready for the maturity aspect of being a sysop. I hope you understand that this isn't a personal attack, but just my advice saying that I really don't think you are ready for it. I was the SAME way, and I'm so glad I failed the rfas that I did. (I was pissed then, but understanding comes with time). 21:45, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - I try not to get too involved in wiki business, but here's one of those times where I felt I need to step in. Fergie is a great antivandal on the wiki, and has a near constant use of the tools. The amazing amount of suppport up until Chess' comment is entirely what Fergie deserves.

On the other hand, the huge amount of Opposes afterwards disappoint me. Never once have ANY of you shown a SINGLE example of PUBLIC conversation that proves Fergie to be immature. I'm sorry, but I will not consider your private conversations with someone as evidence of immaturity. EVERY SINGLE PERSON would say stuff in private conversations that they wouldn't say in public conversations. Leave what's private, private.

Chess, your example of her being unable to handle an oppose and there being unsuccessful RfAs because the nominee tried to defend themselves, they are COMPLETELY different. Fergie has stayed entirely out of this. She discussed it IN PRIVATE with someone, and hasn't gone off showing immaturity at ANY point on this page.

Everyone who seems to be making a big deal over small comments from IRC, the best advice I can give is that adminship is NOT A BIG DEAL. There is no reason to expect that Fergie will be unable to handle herself with it, and there are MANY reasons that she would be using it. Therefore, I support. 22:52, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Small comments that reflect her attitude. We aren't saying she shouldn't be a sysop, we are just saying that she'll make a much better sysop in the future, and that she needs some extra time. She might make a good sysop now, but she'll make a great sysop given the chance to gain a little more maturity before being put under a lot of pressure. 00:18, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also-you can't just disqualify things because they were said in private. They were still said, which is still a reflection of her character. Private things generally show someones attitude even better than public logs. 15:28, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Support - I believe that Urbancowgurl777 will be able to use admin tools to their full extent, and from what I know of her, she's a friendly person who's clear intent is to help. 02:19, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Cook, and I also felt as though she was talking down to me here: User_talk:XScoobsx There is no harm in what I was doing, but she made me feel as though my discretion was not sufficient enough, and what she said was the right thing and that was the end of it. ...but if I revert an edit and don't leave the IP a message, I don't deem it worthy of a message. I also disagree with a lot of things she stated, but I did not wish to push the conversation further into a bigger argument. 03:30, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Except that she was correct, and I quite frankly cannot see how her attitude is possibly condesending. From my perspective, it looks like she was specifically going out of her way to be nice, polite and kind. I do, however, see you overreacting there, and then opposing for..... no good reason here now. But, of course, that is your choice. Also, since when does one incident define how well someone will be an admin, whether or not it was recent? Everyone makes mistakes, even us speshul admins... 02:47, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Support - She knows how to use the tools correctly, and I very highly doubt she would abuse them. So what if she has said a few things in private chat, she has never acted like that in public, and I very highly doubt she would. As Cod4 said she's a friendly person who's clear intent is to help. Everything else I have to say was said by Ryfos. 03:43, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not necessarily just about how you act in public. It's your attitude that's important. If you attitude is negative, that's going to affect everything. She seems a little too focused on what other people think of her, and that will influence her attitude negatively. I don't think anyone here is arguing her ability to use the tools correctly. 15:11, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * If people agree that she will use the tools correctly and she acts mature when needed, what is the problem with giving her the tools? 00:29, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Scoobs. 15:32, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Weak Oppose - Whilst Fergie seems like a very nice person, I don't know anyone who can actually say they've seen her act under pressure. Because we can't magically materialise evidence of how she acts on the wiki, I have to go by IRC logs. Knowing cook there's not a chance these were fabricated and so regretfully I'm going to have to go by gut instinct and oppose. Whilst few admins do image work, saying that you can add transparency to an image doesn't mean you have an automatic right to the tools. 23:10, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Regardless of image work, she still is active in countervandalism - lack of a use for the tools should not come into play here. 02:02, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Assuming that Fergie will act poorly on the wiki without any substantial evidence is a violation of RuneScape:Assume good faith. -- 02:53, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you're wrong. In any RfA, the burden of proof is upon the supporters to show that a person can be trusted and is mature. RS:AGF applies almost exclusively to newer editors and vandalism.There should be no assumption of good faith in something like this, and you cannot possibly stretch the "spirit of the policy" to say that we should support RfAs blindly because there is no evidence to the contrary. Please read the policy instead of basing your comment solely on its name. 03:57, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I feel you're wrong in this case. Supporters should be proving a need for the tools, Opposers should be proving why they should not be given out. AGF doesn't just apply to new editors, it applies to everywhere. You're all assuming Fergie will misuse the tools, based on evidence from a private conversation, which is NOTHING like the Fergie that edits this wiki, and therefore, I cannot in good faith use that as evidence that she will misuse the tools. Until you can provide evidence FROM THE WIKI that proves that she is unqualified, then I feel those opposing based on that don't truly understand the spirit of this wiki. 04:20, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - A picture of words is worth more than a thousand words. 04:01, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * What does this even mean? -- 04:10, June 26, 2011 (UTC)