Talk:Elemental Workshop III

Subtle Vandals
Currently the part A solution listed in the guide is B, 2, F, 6, C, 2, F, 6, C, 2, E, 5, B, 3, F, 2, B, 3, F, 2, E, 4, F, 2. Someone must've subtly vandalised the solution some time today/yesterday, as that solution does not work; you will complete all the moves to find that 2 of the blocks are completely in the wrong place.

If the first B is replaced by a C however, it does work. Can someone edit this in, as the article is currently semi-protected and I'm disinclined to register an account.

90.204.139.57 16:14, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

wtf?
why the heck is this in the plague series catagory....? i cant remove it from that aether, for some reason >=( 14:28, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

I tried deleting the category tags but they still stay on :S

Piano194 - 1 XY 15:08, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

For some reason the elemental series template contained the plage city category. I took the liberty of removing that. ~Artwich 15:12, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Items Needed
Who keeps changing the items needed back to 4 coal and no soft clay? Although the quest log says 4 coal and no soft clay, in fact you need 8 coal and soft clay in order to do the quest. Ptmmtp

I dont know about the coal but i was changing it because the guide already said how to get the stuffSuper2k 18:30, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Actually you need 12 coal, 4+4 for two elemental bars to become primed bar for the body body, and more 4 for regular elemental bar and soft clay for the key to get into the body door -84.110.153.117 14:38, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Whoever keeps deleting the entire walkthrough, posting profanity, and impolite requests for a guide (some unregistered contributor) needs to stop, you're helping nobody. -ZhangAnXiang

Also, you kept changing my name on the solved picture, but that doesn't matter as much, I just wanted to show off and be egotistical a little.

Hard
You should note that puzzle is very hard, not only long, but hard to complete.

89.81.129.195 16:28, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's telling how people talk about the END of the quest instead of the main part. The Pandorica will open. 18:21, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Puzzle
Should it be mentioned that the first part can be solved in more than one way somewhere? 24.211.141.239 16:35, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Please?
for the love of god some one please post a video or a walkthrough of how to do these puzzles. my brain melts!

17:09, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * The people who've done it are too busy gloating to help other folks out. :-\ The Pandorica will open. 17:10, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Puzzle

 * Faints at the sight of this puzzle*

I'll love you forever if you get a comprehensive guide out for it <333

~Avp909
 * It's probably just a matter of time, but it's annoying for those of us who prefer to get new quests done on the day of release... The Pandorica will open. 17:54, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

First puzzle video
There is a video up now by zomgsmaki for the first puzzle --Goodison Goomba 17:53, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Number Of Prime Bars Needed
The guide (currently) says you need 3 prime bars but you only need 2. Not sure where the 3 came from. I will change it to 2. 80.177.172.9 18:16, May 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * You need 3 elemental bars. One elemental bar is used to make the key. Two primed bars are turned into body bars and used to make the body body. Mebibyte 20:17, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Puzzle
I'm doing the quest right now, and I've independently completed the first part in 35 moves, keeping track of each one. I can post the list later. -- 18:47, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would worship the ground you walk on. >:O The Pandorica will open. 18:52, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've finished the first two but this last one I just cant figure out. Dgby714 18:56, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Most of the article makes no sense at all:/ I hope someone who speaks English can write a comprehensive walkthrough soon, I cant, the puzzle has me stumped.
 * 62.194.21.246 18:59, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since these were my own personal notes, I used kind of an odd format, but for now the list is here. Also, the second part is giving me trouble. Dumb quest. -- 19:10, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh! so its like a puzzle box! Thanks for the notes, they are a big help:)
 * 62.194.21.246 19:15, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh! so its like a puzzle box! Thanks for the notes, they are a big help:)
 * 62.194.21.246 19:15, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Undefined items
I've found two undefined items while playing around with the runescape client.. I think these are just alternate versions of the body body, rather than an indication of a continuation.. I thought I'd share.. --CXgamer 19:25, May 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * that would be the elemental body and mind body, which can be made upon completion of the questHenneyj 19:35, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oooh, I had no idea. I feel stupid now. :( --CXgamer 19:43, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * They look neat. For a disco. But what use would they have, other than being cheaper and more inferior? VelvetClaw 05:12, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Puzzle 1
Check forums for most of Puzzle 1

Quick find code: 20-21-572-61026315

19:34, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Just finished the quest!
I just finished the quest. Once you are able to make your first body bar, you can simply move the pieces between the block that moves the block in the middle up/down, and the block in the middle to make another body bar. I'm waiting for my defense to restore so I can make another body bar to make helmet and shield! Mebibyte 20:17, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I recomend death as the easiest alternative.--CXgamer 23:16, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * -If death doesn't appeal, try a Defence/Super Defence/Restore/Super restore potion. Excalibur boosts defence
 * with its special attack too, for an extra suggestion. Otherwise death does make for the easiest solution. 122.57.17.165 01:07, May 26, 2010 (UTC)-

Puzzle Solution
For the first phase, use single-layer gears only to connect the south rotating gear to the gear tower in the east. This will lower the double-layer gear set. Reset.

For the second phase, use single-layer gears to form a path from the south rotating gear to the gear tower in the west, and connect it using the double-layer gear set. This will lower the triple-layer gear set. Reset.

For the third phase, use single/double-layer gears to form a path from the south rotating gear to the gear tower in the north (nearest the counter), and connect it using the triple-layer gear set. This will lower the gear tower in the centre. Reset.

For the final phase, connect the triple-layer gear set to the north of the centre gear tower, double-layer gear set to the south of the centre gear tower, single-layer gears on the west and east of the centre gear tower and a circular path of single-layer gears from the south rotating gear to join all the gears on each side of the center gear tower. This will rotate the centre gear tower device. Now move the triple-layer gear set north and an adjacent single-layer gear set to take its place. This will raise the gear tower in the centre and activate the big red button.

To repeat to get more Primed body bars, undo 1 step, redo that step (lowers centre gear tower), undo 1 step, shift the triple-layer gear set south (rotates centre gear tower device), undo 1 step, move the adjacent single-layer gear set to replace the triple-layer (raises gear tower again, activating button), and repeat this whole process to get more bars without the need to ever go through Phases 1-4 in their entirety ever again (unless you create a new account).

I would have put this in the Article if it wasn't protected (due to a worthless vandal).

~ ShojoSCANDAL
 * Your Directions (as in North, South, West and East) are wrong. The Rotating cog is to the east. --Dgby714 20:37, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's in perspective to the overview look. 20:46, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

how to Complete Section One of puzzle
In order to make things simple, number the levers on the left 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 from top to bottom. From the top going left to right A, B, C, D, E, F.

__a__b__c__d__e__f__g 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 2xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 3xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 4xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 5xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 6xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 7xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 8xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx where the levers are, X show the mechanism itself. Press the levers in this order: B3E2F6B2F5B6F5B4C6B5CD5C6B5D6C

And you're done.

Have a good day :D

Thanks.All we need are the next parts! Also, can someone please put this onto the article? Thanks. The Mistress of Poison 22:10, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'm slightly confused, are the letters and numbers supposed to be grouped like a grid (b3)(like, the 3rd B down) or as individual steps (b 3) (lever b, then lever 3)? -The steps show lever b, then lever 3 as individual steps.

I've done this part, but still, it would be wonderful to clear it up for the other ones. Sir Beck4 00:00, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

You should change the words "Left/Right" etc. to fit the ingame cardinal directions, like North South, East West, etc. It would be much less confusing.

Sorry for posting here

But the solution for the second part after resetting is 5c6f5d6e5c6e1f5c6f5d6f5d6e1f3b4c2e3d2c3e2b3d when using the system devised on the quest page.

Solving the puzzles
I think the answer to the puzzles should go under the quest rewards, and not at the bottom of the page; I can't edit it, just made this account last night D:

23:06, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll fix that. Thanks for pointing that out! The Mistress of Poison 23:32, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

How's that? The Mistress of Poison 23:33, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Diagram
any ideas what the diagram was meant to be showing. I'm sure it was to help solve the puzzle, but wasn't very helpful.Henneyj 23:44, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

-The diagram shows what happens to the Tower in the centre; It starts at the top of the diagram; Then the tower drops, then

it charges, then is raised again, and then repeats. That's all the diagram shows. :) 122.57.17.165 -

How do you get the full diagram? I only have the bottom part of it.

oh its a glitch, lol. wandering why it didnt make senseHenneyj 00:52, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Bonus counters...?
Why do the 2 counters on the puzzle board never show anything except 0? If I'm supposed to be getting more than 50 moves, then I'm not seeing them :/

- Have you tried activating them first? (I haven't yet) 122.57.17.165 -

when you activate them they do change, giving you more moves.Henneyj 01:18, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Does anybody know if you need to activate the double-stacked one before you can activate the triple-stacked one? 03:23, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you do not, since i did precicely that. In fact you don't need to activate the double one at all. Henneyj 00:53, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Puzzle EXPLAINED
Alright. I have posted the 2nd part of the puzzle (unlocking 50 bonus moves) I am still working on the next part.

Now let's suppose we assign each lever going ACROSS the top and bottom of the screen a letter from A-G (it doesn't matter top or bottom as the levers in line with each other fuction exactly the same).

A = FAR LEFT G = FAR RIGHT

Now we do the same with the levers going DOWN the left and right side of the screen. Again it doesn't matter left or right side.

1 = TOP-MOST 6 = BOTTOM-MOST Every square there is an X means that you cannot move the piece there (i.e. there are the 2 counters on either side, the tower in the middle and the gear in the top middle)

Each number and letter is a location of a lever.

These are NOT grid references.

To unlock the 2-high gear piece:

C 5 F 6 C 3 F 2 E 3 F 2 E 3 B 2 E 3 C 2 E 3 B 6 D 5 C 6 D 5 C 4 B 6 D 5 C

To unlock the 50 bonus moves:

(RESET FIRST! then:) E 1 F 2 E 1 F 2 E 4 F 2 E 4 F 2 B 6 E 5 D 6 F 3 E 6 F 5

Please post the next puzzles in this format! I don't have them yet.

EDIT: Figured out 3rd part (unlocking the 3-high gear piece): (Exactly 50 moves)

(RESET FIRST! then:) B 3 E 1 G 2 E 1 F 5 E 2 B 3 F 2 B 3 D 2 B 3 D 2 C 3 F 6 E 3 D 5 E 4 F 6 B 5 F 3 E 6 F 4 E 5 F 6 D 5 E

EDIT2: Okay, just figured out infinite moves part. (Also noticed that someone has posted a complete guide on the article. I'm gonna try that afterwards see if it works.)

For infinite moves, RESET then:

B 1 C 6 B 2 C 6 B 2 C 6 B 3 C 6 B 4 C 5 B 3 E 6 C 3 E 5 C 3 E 6 D 5


 * I tried to do these 3 or 4 times each (bonus+unlock third part), they don't seem to work.


 * Hmmm that's odd. I'm pretty sure I wrote down every time I pulled a lever. Make sure you've unlocked the 2-high piece (the first part) first. Then try to do the bonus AFTER RESETTING. Also make sure you are following the steps exactly.


 * I followed the steps correctly 4 times and got the same result for the 3-high gear piece. All of the other ones worked for me.


 * In particular the sequence E 3 D 5 (in part 3) is impossible. 86.7.21.197 20:16, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Can you please add what you need to do after you unlock the 3-high gear piece? 04:37, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

This is by far the best puzzle guide yet. I would really appreciate if you could give us the guide to the infinite moves part. Thx!

Silver Ragged Key
There should be some mention of how, if you attempt to use a silver bar instead of an elemental bar to make the ragged key, you will obtain a Silver Ragged Key, which looks like the elemental ragged key but will not allow you to enter the body room (using the key on the door will cause you to get what looks like an electrical shock and a mention that a magical force prevents you from turning the key).

easy priming
just posted pics on how to get bars primed quickly after you unlock all of the pillars and if you get unlimited moves, i got full body now :D (helm,shield,and body body)

-- 01:35, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

The solution you gave isn't the most efficient. The most efficient set-up would look like this (and can be mirrored). This solution only requires you to shift the blocks D3 -> D2, and E3 -> D3. It also only requires 4 lever pulls to recharge the machine each time.

1 = TOP-MOST 6 = BOTTOM-MOST Old Smithy 07:50, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

the picture you posted wouldn't work so i'm going to fix it thanks for telling me this. -- 00:14, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Reset + undo levers?
The article mentions reset and undo levers, but I can't seem to find them. Does anyone know where in the room they are? I need to reset  04:08, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * On the west side, in front of the move counter. Stewbasic 04:30, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to kill myself.
For the love of god someone please edit in a simple puzzle solver, I'm tearing out my hair over this.

Jagex have made it too complicated.

Create Pure5 06:11, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

If you can get the 3-high gear mechanism to the bottom-left counter, you're presented with a message that the counter gets stuck at around 62, and I seem to have infinite moves nowThegunk1 06:21, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Use of discussion page
It has become apparent that some users may not be using this page as it should be. May I remind you this is not the forums, as pointed out at the top of the page, please keep this page on the discussion of editting the page, for quest help, please at least wait for a guide to come out. As asking for one isn't going to make it any faster. Thanks you<33 07:19, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Oh my god
These are terrible rewards. I was expecting something awesome for doing what is officially RuneScape's second worst puzzle ever (after Mourning's End II), hoping the body body would atleast have slightly superior stats over the black dragonhide we've been using for so long. But no, not even the body shields or body helmets are that great at all, with slightly better summoning defence stats than the mind equipment. Good god, priming body bars is also a hassle even if you did it specifically to do charge them in a few moves. Terrible rewards, terrible puzzle. And to top it all off, I just squished a bug in my ear after scratching what I thought was wax causing an itch. Argh.

What do I do now?????
Started following the main walk though and got to Part 2 Left hand counter, now is this sequence '32' a 3 then a 2 or 23 or what?

I've tried it as 3 then 2 and carried on, but then nothing jammed so I just carried on to Part 3 and ran out of moves, so I've reset, but where do I start from this time? Do I have to do Part 2 left hand counter sequence again?

Help!!!!!!!

how to restart the puzzle?
if u make an accidental wrong move, how would one restart it? -- 13:09, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a very prominent 'reset' button to the north of the room. The Pandorica will open. 13:20, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Steps for Part 2
I'm pretty sure I've followed them to the letter, but it still refuses to work. Anyone else have this problem? The Pandorica will open. 13:20, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well i got the same problem with part 1.Could anyone make it better? Preskompres 14:32, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Part two is certainly broken (It tells you to shift blocks between a row - just up and down, wasting turns). Part one is working, though.121.120.136.1 15:08, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, after running a bit of experimentation, I've found that after you follow the instructions for part two to the letter, there's still enough turns to finish the puzzle part (I had ten moves remaining.)121.120.136.1 15:12, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

FFS STOP IT
can someone stop editing the guide on the main page at the bottom >:(

Step 1 Solution (Near the end) = *Incorrect*
Solution for "Step One" (Under the quest scroll) is incorrect. Please fix it <3 ;) ~Avp909~  16:15, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was able to do it just fine, but I may have messed up along the way and gotten it right by accident. Another reason this puzzle sucks: even with a walkthrough, there are too many steps and if you mess up just once, you probably won't be able to undo it. :P The Pandorica will open. 16:17, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have followed Part 1 three times and eachtime have arrived at the same incorrect spot. Has anyone verified if these steps are correct? If so, is there additional information I am missing?
 * Step 1 and 2 solutions are currently incorrect. I managed to play with them at the end and get them to work, however. I didn't write down my exact moves, but for step 1 you have to rotate the blocks in the lower right corner once you get the 3 gear blocks in a row centered above the starting gear box. You need to do this in order to move the blank block out of the space directly to the right of the tower, otherwise it gets trapped. For step 2, I forget what I did, but once you get the 2-high gear box into the lower right corner it's pretty obvious how you get the other 2 gear boxes lined up to the left of it. Getting started on step 3 now, which apparently doesn't work either. ~sigh~ 69.243.51.81 18:05, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Same here. Tried 3 times and cant get it right. Somewhere after the 3rd '12' in the step 1 walkthrough something goes wrong... (And I didnt miss a move, i copy&paste to a notebook and was doing and erasing each move) -- Nvm, tip.it already have a quest help :D
 * Step 1 and 2 solutions are currently incorrect. I managed to play with them at the end and get them to work, however. I didn't write down my exact moves, but for step 1 you have to rotate the blocks in the lower right corner once you get the 3 gear blocks in a row centered above the starting gear box. You need to do this in order to move the blank block out of the space directly to the right of the tower, otherwise it gets trapped. For step 2, I forget what I did, but once you get the 2-high gear box into the lower right corner it's pretty obvious how you get the other 2 gear boxes lined up to the left of it. Getting started on step 3 now, which apparently doesn't work either. ~sigh~ 69.243.51.81 18:05, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Same here. Tried 3 times and cant get it right. Somewhere after the 3rd '12' in the step 1 walkthrough something goes wrong... (And I didnt miss a move, i copy&paste to a notebook and was doing and erasing each move) -- Nvm, tip.it already have a quest help :D
 * Same here. Tried 3 times and cant get it right. Somewhere after the 3rd '12' in the step 1 walkthrough something goes wrong... (And I didnt miss a move, i copy&paste to a notebook and was doing and erasing each move) -- Nvm, tip.it already have a quest help :D

Counters at the (actual) north/south?
What exactly do they indicate? I had absolutely no idea other than sneak peeking what the objective is (and they did not exactly mention what they do). Is the north one supposed to add 50 more moves allowed, giving you a total of 100 moves to work with? And does the south one, which becomes stuck at around 62 if you connect the driver to it, allow you to use unlimited moves? I just connected them out of curiosity and when trying to finish the puzzle later (powering up the machine), I noticed the counters do not move anymore after hitting "00", yet I can still move around the sliders and gears. 76.118.36.27 16:17, May 26, 2010 (UTC) Lil Vic|talk 16:19, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops, didn't notice I wasn't logged in. Lil Vic|talk 16:19, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Numbers vs Numbers and letters
I got through parts A and B on the sliding puzzle when the instructions used one number for each lever. There was no part C guide up yet so I left it. When I came back the entire section had been changed to using letters and numbers. This way is, IMO, more confusing. Would someone be able to put it back to numbers only, or am I the only one confused here? --AnselaJonla 21:14, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, 1-7 and A-F is far better than 1-26. 86.7.21.197 21:42, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Parts E and F
I've done this using the guide about three times and for some reason I keep messing up on F. Do you reset after E, or continue where you left off? Or is there something wrong with one of the levers in the guide where it tells you nothing about reseting after E? 22:24, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

I am having the same problem. You are not supposed to reset between the steps. But I am guessing that because section E is not in the same configuration as the picture, section F does not follow properly because it is starting from the configuration in the picture. Is this how it seems to anyone else?Jennybeen 22:57, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well...I just finished "E"...and I'm just gonna keep going for what the picture looks like because you have unlimited moves at this point. 22:58, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Could someone update it then? I would but I can't figure it out, puzzles aren't my best thing... 23:32, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

I have had the same problem, i failed 3 times for part F using the directions. (2 times before a change and one time after a change) both were wrong. I believe that either someone is changing them to be wrong or they were orginaly wrong. Someone needs to make a relible set of directions. Also i am not sure about not resetting after part E. Every time i failed i reset. 21chip 00:54, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Possible problem
Someone put a possible combination To do the 3rd puzzle, and indicates that it will not match the given image. This may have consequences on the next steps. Either put a code matching the image, or revise the next steps.

Part F of the puzzle solving doesn't work. I tried it after resetting, and the end result was ineffective (nothing connected). I tried it without resetting after Part E. End result was the same.

Please remove step F. It doesn't work and it's just causing people to waste their time.
 * Agreed. Part F doesn't work with the instructions given. --AnselaJonla 07:32, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Part F doesn't work... I followed the instructions and I'm sure I didn't make a mistake. But the end result is not right. I have added a warning to part F, saying it is incorrect and you should wait until the proper solution is added. --Runerune239 13:28, May 27, 2010 (UTC)