RuneScape:WikiGuilds/Proposals/RS Newspaper

RuneScape Wiki Post

 * It would help to read this before reading this subsection.

To actually get things done without people just voting whether or not they like the idea, the point of this subsection is to discuss the protocols and standards for the paper. If you're interested in helping this project, sign below. 06:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Interested RuneScape Wikians (please add your name)

 Mjs961  12:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Ill help for sure, I like the idea. I'll do articles on request only though, Im not much on my own.--Nantafiria 22:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 06:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) 'You've got this fairy, at any rate.' Artemis Fowl: The Arctic Incident....
 * 2) Although I opposed, I'll help if it's going to be there. 15:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Yeah, this is a good idea. -- 18:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) I'll help out as best I can! Sir Trekie 21:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) I'm good at stuff -- 01:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Sounds nice! I'll help as much as I can :) 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Nice idea! I'll help whenever I can!
 * 8) Per InstantWilson. I'll be an editor, and possibly write some trivia questions. 17:06, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) I can be quite opinionated, so if you want me to do any... ugh, whats the word... Editorials or something (like where the writer takes a personal stance on something in an article) I could probably throw in something (If we start this month, I could throw something together about the RWIT updates since tomorrow is the anniversery) --Pikaandpi 18:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) I support, but it would be hard to keep a NPOV
 * 1) I support. 10:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) I Wholly Support. I am willing to be an Editor if Called upon, and I also have an Idea for a possible column or addition... BTW Is this planned to be something that is Weekly, Bi-Weekly, or Monthly? (Haven't seen an answer to this anywhere...) --Da_Dragon555 04:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) It will be monthly. Though, if we were to really get productive, it could become tri-weekly or bi-weekly. 01:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) I could help with something. I think.
 * 5) Sounds interesting and something I would enjoy doing, count me in! 09:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Sounds very good! I'll try to help as much as I can!-- 01:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) I had completely forgotton to sign this >_< 17:26, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) I'm definately interested. I enjoy witing, and I'm good at it, at least based on past experience.--[[Image:Eyes2.gif]] Pig House[[Image:Guthix_book.png]]  Inane Ramblings  12:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) Supported. 00:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) Cool idea il help how ever i can! [[Image:Dragon claws.png]] Godpower49 [[Image:Dragon_boots.gif‎]]

Content
Discuss what to drop, what to add, and what to change about the following areas of content:


 * Periodicals (about both wiki news and game news)
 * Interviews
 * Trivia questions
 * Answers to the previous issue's questions (starting with issue 2)
 * Statistics about the site
 * Comic strips
 * Classifieds
 * Market review
 * Extra polls

-- 06:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * How about a piece of fan fiction (like a story or something) in each issue? It could be entirely fictional, or it could be based on something that did happen in RS (like a story about the God Wars for example). If everyone likes this idea, I'll be happy to write it. Check out the two external links in my signature to sample other stories I've written (they're to other wikis).


 * Seconded. I'll help out writing said piece, if that's okay with Telos. Sir Trekie 17:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thirded I think we could mayby have an informal commitee, in which everyone is allowed tries at short stories on a kinda rota, as well as mayby featuring someone such as Billy Bomb7, with a Chapter a Week, until the end of the story. That'd be really good, as the only thing with Billy Bomb7's stories is that its a few chapters all on one block page, very hard to concentrate on.We could have a link at the bottom of that page, to the archive of all the stories, but with each on a different page.Thanks-- 18:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with Sir Trekie helping out on the story(s). It'll be good to have two people in case one of us has computer problems, goes on holiday, etc. Message me on my talk page and we can come up with ideas! :)


 * Fourthed. Have any of you read Billy Bomb's stories? I think they're great and he could write one chapter a week. Maybe have multiple people send in chapters every week, so it's never just one story. I think maybe... 10 people should send in a weekly chapter of a story. The way it could be layed out would be like 10 boxes, an image to the left in each box, the title of the book as a header, in smaller text the name of the  chapter, and a small passage to get the reader intrested. Ill make an example and give a link, then message some peoople that might be intrested.. -- 23:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Fithed (Idk lol). If needed I can put my story on it's own page, or chapter per page. Kinda funny how I just wanted a couple fans for support, and look where I am lol. Anyway, a chapter a week wouldn't be too hard, and if I can't do that I'll just write a short story. I like the way this newspaper is turning out, it'll be a great addition to the wiki. 00:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * So, ideas anyone? I'm really into the God Wars right now, so I could get to work on a story involving Zamorak and Saradomin teaming up in a battle to destroy some of the last of Zaros's followers? And then in the aftermath Zamorak turns on Saradomin's forces and Saradomin is forced to retreat?


 * Probably not something that deep in the Gods' history, but maybe have something about (for example) some wandering people and other creatures who came together and are viewing the God Wars in their own point of view? I agree, though; I'm quite into what the God Wars were like, along with Gielinor's past. Sir Trekie 20:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * One of my favourite Rs Forums author's (Xanthangum) has a thread with a few short stories, I'll ask him if we can use A Mouse Before the Lion for the first short story.  23:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Id be happy to do an interview thru IRC --Gertjaars 20:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you be happy to do an interview ingame (assuming you actually are who you claim to be)? Dtm142 20:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I would have to agree. An in-game interview (even with screenies) would be more convincing. An IRC discussion would have people- from this site and others -speculating "oh hes jusst an impostr", "thoes rs wikki nubz just wnt atenshun", and so on. I know you don't like to add people, but you could always just un-add someone at the bottom of their list, add the interviewer, un-add the interviewer after the interview is over, and re-add the friend. 22:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Or better yet, use clan chat. IF interviews are included in the newspaper (pray that I don't live to see the day that the wiki's content standards sink that low), they will have to be verifable that the person being interviewed is who they said that they were.  An impostor Gertjaars could provide an entertaining interview, but we would have to indicate that he is indeed an impostor and not the real Gertjaars. Dtm142 22:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Layout
I generated this idea for the papers layout. If anyone else has an idea to how it should look, just make your idea in a usersubpage or whatever, and provide a link. 06:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I have also just Generated this idea Too. 18:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I used your layout as a base, as yours was actually really good. Because of this i didn't make lots of the pages.Here's my link.

Things i added/changed are here:
 * 1) I added a page which i think should be on every edition of the magazine (by edition i mean issue): A page telling all who helped with teh pictures/wrote stories etc. Note: The editor's are the ones that take the stories and images and put them into the layout, right link page etc, so that the writers dont have to spend all their time doing that, as well as allowing people that love writing, but aren't too good at formatting a go.
 * 2) I added part of an article onto the front page, with the title and prologue kinda thing on the start (kinda like the featured page on teh homepage, but about one of the important/controversial/talked about/well written pages for the issue.
 * 3) I cannibalised the userboxes storage template, so that we can now have teh links to the pages on every page, without getting in the way, it looks nice too.
 * 4) On all the other pages of the magazine (not including front page) there should be the header layout from teh front page, but with the title of the page, who wrote that page, and on the third line (un-small-ified) a quote from one of the authors/image people of teh page or magazine, about the magazine or the content/isue of that page.
 * 5) The main page article would be continued onto its actual page in teh magazien btw.
 * 6) NOTE:For the links to other pages thing, u'd have to change the page that it is on from Brought to you by... to *|Brought to you by...    Thanks. Ask at my talk page for anything else.--
 * -- Wow chiafriend12! That layout is amazing! 16:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Rules on news stories
Here's some proposed rules about what news entries will need:


 * Periodicals should be over 1KB (~1,000 bytes). Idealy, at least a few KB.
 * Periodicals must either be about news-worthy things going on on this site, or news-worthy events that are going on/went on in-game.
 * Periodicals cannot be about players in specific (e.g.: "Defil3d lost 72M cash in PvP!").
 * To avoid the newspaper being overrun by either site-related news or game-related news, the two subjects should be no more than 2:1 apart from each other. Idealy, they would be 1:1.
 * Interviews should be of members of the community. Though, if an opportunity comes up to interview someone of interest (e.g.: Zezima, Andrew Gower, Tehnoobshow, Sixfeetunder, Aclaw, etc.) an interview can be done on them.
 * Classifieds can only be posted by legit wiki members (say, more than 100 edits?).
 * Someone who is writing a periodical should have at least 100 edits (though, this can be bypassed per RS:IAR if the person does not have 100 edits, but knows what they are doing). (Added at 22:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC))

Like? Hate? Just comment below. 06:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Love! I'll help as much as i can! I'm gonan start designing a layout of what i think it shud kinda look like... Btw, couldn't we mayby like have the first page about the people that edited/wrote the articles/contributed in anyway listed, possibly with their pesonaly comment about this week/month's issue. Mayby the start opf that page could be  like: "Brought to you by...."Ask me if you want any help, Chia! P.S. What are classifieds btw? thanks.--
 * Classifieds are just advertisements, like the ones in any other newspaper, such as "Help wanted", etc. Sir Trekie 22:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Love (as well)! As said above in the "Interested Wikians" area, I'll help out as best I can. If you need any kind of a F2P updates' reviews, I can help. Maybe I could be a person to try out new updates, if they're for free players? Also, I could be an editor - I wouldn't be the Chief Editor, of course, but I'm pretty well-off with grammar and spelling and such. My last idea (for myself, at least): I'm hoping to be a member again, eventually, so when that happens, I could help with the non-quest updates, if I apply for any such requirements. Again; these are all ideas for myself, but I'd love it if I could help out in any of these ways! Sir Trekie 22:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Couldn't (as ive said for almost everythign else here:p)we give everyone who wanted to a chance to edit? It'd be unfair to set up say boards of editors just becaus ethey got there first. Everyone, even semi-active wikians, would read, and help with the article. This is what could make this wiki unique from everyother, as well as it being a large wiki already.--18:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If we were to allow anyone (primarily speaking about new editors), that could damage the quality of the paper's content. That's why I suggested the 100+ edit rule. More veteraned users are better at wikiing than new users. That's just how it is. 23:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't reached the 100 mark on this particular wiki just yet, but I have on other wikis and I'd really like to help produce stories for the new post, so please don't exclude me. I've been here since April so I'm not exactly new, so how about a 50+ rule?
 * Yea, 50+. It takes either a long time or a lot of dedication for people to get to 100 edits. Btw, has anyone had a look at my layout version??? the links there. I'd like some feedback, since it's helpin me towards an actual non-wiki newspaper for another community im in.thanks. Btw, Billy Bomb7's stories beat all ok, i've read sir trekie and telos's stories. Billy Bomb7's rule!-- 19:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Zilen, that made my day ^_^. But we should do a variety of authors instead of concentrating on one person. 23:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I reckon your layout's pretty good. But no need to express whose stories you think are better, we can probably just have more than one story per newspost.
 * Oh! Sorry Sorry! I didn't realise I'd made it sound like i hated everyone elses!!!! It's just that i love his! Telos, youre stories are really good m8! Btw, when you all say a different author a week, would that be for short stories? I like the more than 1 story an issue idea. We could mayby have a different author an issue for a short story, and then the next chapter from the current long story, until the story is funished, after which the next long-story writer could start. I think that unless the author writing the current long story had a backlist of short stories, we' could take them off the short story rota while their long story was in issues. This'd mean that the long-story writer would'nt have to be pressurized in writing 2 stories. sorry, I really didn't mean to sound that bias'd before! Btw, do you think the list design i did would be worth adding into it? It keeps the links out of the way, while being close enough so you dont have to go looking for them. The only drawback is that It needs to be placed before the article, after the headings etc, and in the article, MUST NOT be instead simply use  Thanks...  18:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries Zilen, sorry if I sounded a bit grouchy (I guess the scowling picture of Zammy in my sig didn't help lol). Yeah, the idea for having a long story writer and a short story writer is a good one. :) As for your second question, I don't understand what you're asking.
 * As to get back on Topic, I think we should go with 100+ edits over 50+, as it didn't take long for me to get 100 edits tbh, and it'll help to keep people from creating throw away accounts and sock-pupetting them to support thier story or article if we have some sort of voting system implemented like the RFA voting or something. I know 100 edits may seem a little extreme, but it may be needed. 15:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The second question referred to my structure of the magazine, Telos. I was asking if you liked the way i had redesigned the Page list, so that it was on every page nearby, without interfearing with the article. thants all, i think rofl. Btw, Is Chia actually going to help, she hasn't made any contributions yet. We need to get this newspaper started, if we want to get the first issue out 1st January.thanks.-- 16:05, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, right. Yep, its good. Btw, I thought Chia was male lol. If we go with the idea of a long story (one chapter each issue) AND a short story, can I do the long one please?
 * One three-letter acronym: Wtf. I am a guy.
 * I haven't been saying much in this discussion because I don't want to have to be a person holding the project up. I want everyone interested in it to do their fare share (triple rhyme yay).
 * The point of this discussion was to get our act together and our facts straight, then resubmit it backto the Yew Grove. The first try resulted in a bunch of people opposing, thinking that this was going to be a tabloid filled with POVed news stories, stuff about players, and all that content we won't have. At this rate, the first issue may come out by January 20th or something.
 * About fanfic stories: the seemingly policy-happy opposers would probably slam it with RS:NOT, claiming that we should, instead, shove those over to RSFF.
 * We need to have the paper as policy-abiding-yet-still-a-newspaper-about-the-site-and-RuneScape as possible. 22:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC) (<-- Notice my signature? Newspaper- Man .)
 * Oh man Chia, I am SO SORRY, for the longest time I thought you were a girl too. Well umm, once again sorry, but another idea for the newspaper 100+ Post thing. Would it be possible to create a bot program (I can't) that auto checks users' eidts and adds them to a list that permits posting/submitting/voting for a story? 23:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I just read RS:NOT, and there's nothing there to suggest we can't write fiction stories for the newsletter. Besides, we can ask the opposers what they have against stories. What's wrong with reading a nice bit of fan fiction (we can outline in bold that it is fan fiction, or fanon). Plus, we want stories for the newsletter on the RS Wiki, not RS Fanon. And please don't make it 100+, I don't reach that mark and I'd love to contribute.
 * Well as long as we can compromise with the people against the stories I'll be fine. Telos, I got 100 edits by hitting the Random Page button, and if I could edit/add information then I would. Otherwise I'd check out red links and make pages. 02:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Hey, do minor edits count? And how about if I've reach the 300 mark on multiple other wikis? If no to both, I have a long way to go. :(


 * So Sorry, Chia! The reason i dismissed the Newspaper man part is the fact that the way you've said it makes it sound like Hey Man, we're making a newspaper. Btw, I think most people are girls. Even though i'm male, i'm biased in the fact that i generally slide towards thinking someone is female. Sorry. The Fan Fiction stories really should be able to go, Just because it's Not RSFF, doesn't mean we can't have Fan Fiction on the wiki. This is proved because nobody has yet tried to (in my opinion) vandalise Billy Bomb7's work by deleting it and saying it's not policy. Though this may be because it's a subpage. Are we going to start creating articles yet? We could have people who's role is to transfer all information/pictures/stories that are submitted into the newspaper layout. That's save the writers a lot of time, as well as letting non-formatting people write articles as well. thanks-- 11:47, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I don't think people have tried to vandalise my stories because they haven't gotten out as much. But if the newspaper Does include stories, the pages on which they are located will need protection. Also about the people who would be assigned specifically to put articles into newspaper format. Some people would enjoy this as it would give them an opportunity to do some editing, and perhaps learn some formatting tips along the way. 00:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I remade my sig as "Newspaper-Man" in refference to super heroes like Spider-Man.
 * Fan fiction stories in the userspace are just fine, but anything more than that would be flagged as 'not our responsibility, we shouldn't have that here, it deserves to be over there, yadda yadda'. Whether or not it should be okay, people will flag it. For now, it should be left out. After we can at least start the project, we could consider adding fan fictions in a later issue.
 * And to clarify, fan fiction is not the same as fanon. Fanon is allowed here. Black partyhat. (See RS:NIP, guideline 3.) That's fanon. Fanon essentially means "myths started by fans, and eventually widely/semi-widely accepted as official canon, but never accepted by whoever decides canon" (which would be Jagex in this case). Fan fiction means "fiction created by fans", and staying just that: fiction.
 * The 50+/100+ rule would only be there to keep out newbies who, frankly, would be doing most everything wrong. RS:IAR would fall into place if someone- like you, Telos -did not meet the benchmark but did know what they would be doing. Don't worry.
 * Apologies accepted to those who thought I was girly. You're not the first :P. 02:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I guess waiting until the Newspaper gets into full blown action, then it would be better than just to throw some fan-fic in there and see how people react. We could even include a poll in there asking users if they would mind if there was a short story and chapter of the week in the paper. I guess it would help all the people who don't want Fan-fic in the paper express their points easier with out starting a gigantic edit/flame/RS:NOT war. We could also have say.. an individual Poll over some articles to see if people liked that kind of article and we should do some more in that manner. As the old saying goes, "The customer knows best." 15:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, thats a good idea. I'll keep my fingers crossed the majority will think its ok to have some fan-fic. 09:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I second that motion, but hopefully they do. Otherwise I'll be pretty bored lol. 21:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Same. I'm not really up-to-date with news, and I specialize in stories. 05:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * KInda Same... I'm not too good at the general editing to add information, instead I'm kinda better at formatting, fixing that link, Saying if I think someone's user formatting could be tweacked slightly. This Shows up in the fact I'm over 500 edits, yet I think over 350 of them are User/talk's, simply because even if it isn;t an edit to my userpage, It'll be fixing someone elses for them.-- 18:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Please note I know I have not been a supporter of this project, mostly because I worry about it detracting from the point of this wiki, but your 50 or 100 count edit rule is a major problem. The only place in the wiki that edit count is necessary is for article of the month voting.. If you start excluding people based on edit counts then your paper really does not belong on the wiki.--Degenret01 17:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * [Assuming you haven't, which you should have,] Read the above discussion. The rule would be completely bypassed if the person in question actually knew what they were doing (which would hopefully happen most of the time). With our userbase of 226+ active users- most of them being inexperienced with wikis and/or liable to go inactive after a few weeks -what's to keep them from passing up such an opportunity? "Oh, look. If I write a newspaper article, everyone will be able to see it!".
 * In AotM, that requirement is set in place so people who actually know what they're doing decide on what our featured article becomes. History of Varrock, or Money making guide? The same applies here. Would we want something written about a 100,000th article milestone, or someone's "journalism" about how they hate the trading updates?
 * * Re-reads criteria posted above mid-edit out of boredom* Woah, that is not what I remember typing. I don't see a reason to limit classifieds. I meant to limit who writes periodicals, the 'prized possession' of the newspaper. Who's to say we won't get hordes of stupid writings dumped in? "Why the PKing update is really dumb", "PvP worlds will never replace the old Wildy", etc.. 22:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Chia, though the rule should (as he said) be bypassed if someone (such as me, for example) doesn't reach the 100 edit mark yet knows what they're doing and won't write opinionated stuff that doesn't belong in the newspaper. Basically it's just to prevent people who have very little experience to accidentally mess it up. If they can demonstrate that they DO know what to do, then I think it should be fine to let them in.