Talk:Scams

Trimming Armour is not a quest reward, it is a reward from Treasure trails. ALso, YOU don't do it, Trimmed armor is a game item, that NO BODY can make.

Delete This Article
I think this article needs to be deleted. My reason for this is that it is highly possible that new players will see this page and its content and use the ideas here to cheat and scam in the game. Rather than having this article with all of these 'situations' that one may experience in the game, I think that this information should be moved to the 'Account Safety' article on the main page -- but without all of the "here's how this scam works" sort of content, but rather explain to new players ways to keep their passwords and items safe, ie: don't type your password in game or anywhere else except for when logging into your account & do not drop items unless you are discarding them etc. Ideas, thoughts and suggestions? JodoKast 02:55, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It would be nice if you could avoid scams by simply not dropping things and typing your password, but it's not. As more and more people are catching on to scams, scammers make more and more intricate tricks. As I earlier said, scammers will scam no matter what. This guide could serve as an invaluable tool for helping new players to avoid these dishonest players. MJMyers2 21:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

This article could encouage others to replicate these acts. I think the fact it is actually called "cheats and scams" makes it worse as it seems to imply "Looking for a cheat or scam? come look here" I think it would be better though if it was just re-named "Account Security" A happybunny 11:53, 19 October 2006 (GMT)

Free Gem Cutting Underestimated
I've had people cut my gems for free several times, all without any theft. It increases the value of the gem greatly. It's still a risk worth cautioning new players about, but free gem cutting is often a harmless exchange benefiting both the cutter and the owner of the gem.
 * I agree with you. Free Gem Cutting is not the scam that it is often made out to be. While there's not a section in the article about gem cutting specifically, gem cutting is covered under the "trust trade" section. MJMyers2 21:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I would never let anyone cut my gems. One:  It decreases the value of the gem because less crafting xp can be derived from it.  Two:  I can cut all my gems anyway.  Three:  I want the crafting xp for myself. Mathwhiz90601 22:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I cut my own gems, but if you're going to have them cut for you, find someone a higher level. They are usually more trustworthy. Not always, so don't go trusting every high level player.Mukamokawar 05:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)Muka

You should add that you should ask for them to trade you a cut gem for the uncut gem because then you are assured that they will not just take it. Sleepydragn1 21:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

What Is This?
Is this meant to be a guide to tell people how to cheat/scam?Shadowdancer 19:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This is NOT a "how-to scam" guide as you make it out to be. This is a guide to all the popular scams and tricks that are used by dishonest players. It serves as a warning to new players and give tips on how to avoid them. These scams have been bubbling along for years without this guide. Players who intend to scam will scam with or without this guide. Perhaps this guide will give the would-be scammer a new idea, but removing it would make it so that new players would more easily fall for them. Removing this article is not, in my opinon, worth the trade-off. MJMyers2 21:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm against deleting this
The purpose of the article is to keep the reader from falling for these things.

--Wowbagger421 21:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh come on. By even having this you're attracting would-be scammers and cheaters like flies to honey.  Is this what we want? Shadowdancer 15:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I've had only the briefest of glances, but these scams look like they could all be thought up by a six-year-old...and probably have. I'm frankly shocked anyone is stupid enough to fall for them. Nevertheless...I agree with Shadowdancer. We should delete this. It's against the RuneScape rules to talk about scams, for the obvious reason of people getting ideas; I don't think they will, but it can't hurt to delete this section. Exactly who would it benefit? My main argument is basically this...If someone is intelligent enough to actively try to look for "cheats and scams" in order to avoid them, they won't be stupid enough to fall for any of the ones here. Therefore, this section benefits absolutely no-one. 80.3.96.42 15:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I say the name should be changed to Anti-Hack and Scam Guide, so as not to delude people for thinking that is a guide actually telling you how to cheat at the game.--Death motor 18:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. This is a valuable page, but the name has the potential to confuse.  Anti-Hack and Scam Guide is definitely clearer.  By the way, it's not against the RuneScape rules to talk about scams, just as long as you don't encourage people to commit them.  Eruan 15:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Wowbanger--Imagine Wizard 19:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Imagine Wizard about agreeing with Wowbagger. These scams have been around without this guide, and will be without this guide. Deleting this would be succoming to the "if we don't talk about it, it might go away" mentallity. Jagex's unwillingness to talk about theses scams and tricks is, I belive, part of the reason that scamming is such a problem in RuneScape. If Jagex made a page that listed all these scams, and told all players to read it, then I think scamming would decline a lot. This article should be kept, but perhaps Death is right when he says the name should be changed to something more true to it's intent. MJMyers2 21:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Im not sure if i got the indentation right, but I am against deleting this page (it could use some revision though).

I am also against this. Because I read this yesterday, I reported a scammer today (Armor trimming scam). This page helps people be aware of what scams are commonly used so they don't fall for them. I also disagree with the user that stated "If someone is intelligent enough to actively try to look for "cheats and scams" in order to avoid them, they won't be stupid enough to fall for any of the ones here." I read this article when I came across it while mining coal. I don't think people may come looking for it, but if it catches their eye while on here they may read it and learn to avoid scams. Maybe we should even put a link to this on the main page to attract more attention. Mr.hotkeys 23:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm against this because I think even though they are all stupid scams people fall for them. I don't know why they fall for obvious scams but they do. So thats why we need this guide. Anyways scammers would figure these scams by them selfs. Also: Talking about scams isn't illegal. It's illegal if you say "Hey wanna learn how to scam?" but not to try to prevent them. If it was a lot of accounts would be banned because of them saying "i got item scammed! This guy switched out the diamond for a opal when i wasn't looking" or something like that. Sleepydragn1 21:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

complete rewrite
I've completely rewritten this guide. Please let me know what you think! --Ixfd64 00:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well done! But this is one of three articles I never check the edits of; the other two being Money Making Guide and....can't remember the other one. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  08:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Just rename the article
Why not give the article a more fitting name, such as "Cheat and scam prevention"? 21:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I doubt this
"RuneScape Classic needle scam

In RuneScape Classic, some scammers have been known to offer 10 million gp for items. Upon trading, the scammer will actually offer 1 million gp and a needle. On the RuneScape Classic trading screen, this would look like 10,000,001 gp.

Suggested action: Report the player for item scamming. "

Really? This doesn't make any sense at all to me. --Wowbagger421 22:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I've never heard of that scam before either (but I don't play RSC) and it does sound a bit fake to me. If someone could get some evidence to show that it can be done that would be great (a picture or video on youtube or google videos). Sleepydragn1 21:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Privacy?
I sure hope we aren't using real usernames for our examples. I don't think it is very ethical? If we are.. I BELIEVE we should change them. I think the "usernames" should be User A, User B, etc. --PikachuMayhem 16:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

P-hat glitch
Jagex didn't give the guy lifetime membership, they banned him permanently xD Total Rune 08:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Helped Prevent A Lower Level Member From Getting Scammed
I was picking flax (as usual) and I happened to walk into Seers bank and I seen someone say "Proboscis? Whats that?". So I added him to friends, explained what a proboscis is, how it has no current uses and is practically worthless. He told me "The guy got one of his buddies to PM me and say he was gonna buy it for 1.45mil". Turns out the scammer was trying to trade 1 Proboscis for the guys Dragon Medium Helm. With my help the player reported the scammer and kept his D-med. Then he said he was gonna low alch the D-med, (he said he paid 410k for it and with alching was gonna get all 410k back). I advised him not to alch but instead sell for 450k and make a 40k profit, which he did and thanked me afterwards. I feel good :) 10:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm just going to give you a thank you for helping a newb, so, "thank you." 02:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Thats all great and such but...what does that have to do with this article? Sleepydragn1 21:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposal for adding a section "do's and don'ts to avoid getting scammed"
I propose adding a section to this article "do's and don'ts to avoid getting scammed" to help players from being victimized. The section will be long but it may be worthwhile. What is your stand? --Fatman4ever 05:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

There are some avoiding tips in every section, I'm pretty sure.Mukamokawar 01:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)Muka

Dark Wiki
Shouldn't there be a link to the Dark Wiki at the top of this article? Knightgod444
 * Yeah, there should be! 02:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)