User talk:Dtm142/Archive2

Thanks!
I hope this won't be considered spam, as I just left you a comment within the hour... But I wanted to thank you gor telling me not to edit that page, because now I'm registered and addicted to undoing vandalism edits! =D

Thank you!

Are you unffair!?
Why do you let C Teng have personal images, that means I can upload too!?

Just search for his own personal profile you will find out (I think thats a full body image)

Rollback request
Please and thanks. Christine 17:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Rough day?
Wish I could help more, but it seems all you've been doing this morning is fighting with the vandals and idiots of the Wiki. Seems like a rough morning for you. >.< 16:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It has been, but thank you for all of the reverting and reports you've been doing. It helps a lot. Dtm142 17:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll just put this here... I feel that this user's calling out and encouraging others to break rules is inappropriate, but I'll leave that call to you. See this. 21:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Strange, I has just finished banning him from the forums. I've deleted the page and protected it so that only sysops can recreate it. Dtm142 21:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

thanks
i really appreciate your help but ive been on other wikis and i know how to sign my username and everything.do you go on runescape at all cos i really need some help.

fadalisdestroyer 16:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I do go on. What is it that you need help with? Dtm142 17:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Rollback
Thank you Dtm, I shall use them well! Off to lunch, will test them out when I get back. =D 19:30, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Forums
You're a forumadmin; can you change the Tavern text so it says, "Welcome to the RuneScape Forum at Wikia!"? 18:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

RuneScape portal
You created the RuneScape portal at WP? It's deleted or something...not to be picky but shouldn't you update your userpage as the portal no longer exists? 02:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, I doubt that's the only link on my userpage that doesn't work. My Wikipedia one is even worse.  But I've changed it, so thank you. Dtm142 02:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: RfA
Why are you so apprehensive? 01:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * EDIT: I'm under the impression that you did not read the whole response on Endasil's talk page. If you have not, please do read the rest.  01:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Whatever do you mean? And I read it word for word. Dtm142 02:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a few theories myself. 02:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
thanks mate for fixing my page.. i had alot of trouble doing that but its all good now thank you...quite difficult if your trying to smith at the same time lol hahah --Adam Grzybin 14:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

New Site
Hi, I dont know weather or not you are the right person to tell this too but... I currently own the site vindemi.com. I am also a user on runescape. How would your wiki like to move into my server? For example, it will go from runescape.wikia.com to runescape.vindemi.com. The good thing about moving to my server is: All bureaucrats on the site will have access to the server so they can add extensions, add custom skins, and do other things. My site has unlimited disk space and broadband space. Unlike this site, on the new runescape site would have limited advertisement....look at vindemi.com to see how it would look like. Oh yea and there are extensions on MW that would make moving the site easy. For example, there is an extension where the computer will import all the users from this site to the new site. And MW has this tool that will import pages from this site to the new one. Tell me what you and your colleagues think about it so I can set it up. I am also going to post this on other bureaucrat pages on this wiki for a faster response. Regards, --Truetech 22:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Email password problem
hello, here is RFZ:) well i got some problem - i forgot pass and i cant use "Email password" button (as i see its linked to the same page as "log in" button), so i cant change my pass and log in in here =( can u do something about this?

The other thing is, that this problem occurs only in Opera.. i even cant save this edit i have made here, so now am using a firefox. Also i must say that mail was sent to my email, but the button still dont work on the Opera =(

Horse Page
Hey, you deleted a page I was making containing the very little information on Horses in RuneScape. You said that it was mainly speculation and that there's no proof Jagex won't put horses into the game.

Well, if you have the Horse family crest for your POH and had it mounted on the wall, check the Examine info. It will say that it depicts the mythical "horse" on it. Since there are no horses in the game but they have unicorns, unicorns and horses are the equivalents of each other in the worlds of RuneScape and in real life.

As far as proof that Jagex won't put in ridable horses, there is a sticky in the Suggestions category of the official RuneScape Forums that contains a list of topics of "What not to suggest" because those ideas will never be put into the game. Ridable horses is one of them.

I am writing this because I was directed to contact you if I think the article should not have been deleted. Thank you.

Ju Juitsu
 * Hi. An update appearing on the sticky as to what should not be suggested on the suggestions forum doesn't mean that it won't be released.  It just means that they have been suggested many times and should either be posted on the asterisk sticky (if appropriate) or not at all.  Anyway, the article had very little chance of becoming proper length and was better off merged with toy horsey. Dtm142 02:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Autumn Wikifest '08
Can you please make the current Wikifest thread a sticky in the forums so perhaps more people will post on it? At the current rate I don't think there will be a Wikifest unless people start posting. 15:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Good luck. Dtm142 20:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 22:26, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

"If you really want good advice, you won't find it by asking the people here." *runs off crying* :P 00:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

hai2u
Hey, did you delete the portrait of a mod thread in the off topic forum? It randomly disappeared and nothing's been put on my talk page, so I thought I'd ask before I remade it. If you did delete it I suppose I could understand why :/ 22:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I deleted it because is serves little, if any, discussion value. Post such pictures on your userpage please (using external images of course). Dtm142 22:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Righty. I thought it was epic enough to stick out there for people to talk about and spread virally through the interwebs (muaha), but yeah, it's up on my talk page now. We need to stick something in the off topic/global rules about that; I thought you had knocked it off because giving personal details (I suppose a pic could count) is about as bad as asking for them, in Jagex's eyes. 23:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Just a little thing
Do you know how to modify the little thing that appears at the top of the page that displays goings-on? The word "coming" is spelled wrong. Butterman62 (talk) 00:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've fixed it. Dtm142 01:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Please
I see that you merged my posts in my thread on the forums about getting 99 Woodcutting. May you please change it back. It looks really silly and it's harder to read than in separate posts. You can get rid of the reserves but please keep my 4 separate posts separated. And please put back my table of contents. Thank you.
 * No. Double posting is against the rules, as it is not necessary and just spams the forums.  Also, please sign your posts with ~ and add new sections at the bottom of my talk page.  Thank you. Dtm142 00:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Rollback Rights
Dtm- Recently I have been turning my attention towards reverting vandalism on the RuneScape wiki, but I have been frustrated by my inability to revert multiple edits at once and the time it takes for me to revert vandalism. For this reason would like to have rollback rights on the Runescape wiki, to help make my life easier, and the wiki better. If you have any questions/comments, please contact me on my talk page!

Thank you- 18:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Granted per Whiplash, thank you for your time. 19:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Forum thread about the Tavern
Hi, Dtm. I just wanted to apologize for getting involved in that forum thread about the Tavern's title. I thought it was so trivial that I laughed when I first read it, and I just wanted the original poster to understand that. I was expecting you to lock it (you ALWAYS give good reasons for locking threads, which I like seeing in you) because it was going nowhere.

However, I THINK I have isolated the cause of my flaming and usage of "FFS"-don't take this the wrong way, but I think reading some of Christine's forum posts and edits made her personality rub off on me. I've been more irritable than depressed lately, and some of Christine's language habits (again, don't take this the wrong way) have influenced my own habits. I mean, I LEARNED "FFS" from her!

Bad attitude aside, thanks for handling that topic. If you could, please reply on my talk page so I can understand as to how I was flaming-I don't recall doing so (though FFS comes to mind, which is why I mentioned it previously).
 * Don't go blaming me when I haven't been around here or on IRC for over a month now -.- Christine 21:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Despite what you think, Christine, I am able to blame you. You aren't that way now, but you most certainly were that way in the past. Don't think I'm trying to point you out as a scapegoat, but it's true: I learned "FFS" and quite a bit about being overassertive (or whatever the word is) from you. Peace, pl0x.

About the Tavern tread...
Yeah, Dtm, about the forum thread that I made about the name of the Tavern, just because you disagree with something doesn’t give you the right to lock it. It was a lively debate, and I never said anything against ANY other player. I made my point loud and clear, but never cursed any other player or anything like that. You said I should up a poll in the Voting Booth (that name IS ok by the way) and I did. Then you took it down. I don’t know where you live, but maybe you should review the Bill of Rights or the Magna Carta. You seem to be an administrator-king who is abusing his rights… You obviously just think the topic of it is bad, not the content of the thread. You threatened to ban my account on the RuneScape wiki, but why not ban the others who were actually… “flaming”. Why did you lock my other posts? Why! I reviewed the forum rules, and I broke none of those guidelines. Why, my post of funny RuneScape pictures should be locked too. It could be considered to have offensive topics. My posts seem to just offensive to you! Maybe you should review the forum rules too. Yessss sir! My question is should Dtm142’s name be listed among these? Adolf Hitler, Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein, Robert Mugabe, Yoweri, Museveni, Kim Jong Il, Saparmurad Niyazov, Alexander Lukashenko, Bashar el-Assad, Hosni Mubarak, Muamar Quadaffi, Idriss Deby. Isaias Afworki… I could go on 4ever! Jediadam4 20:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Jediadam4
Jediadam4 wishes too talk to you about the status of his user rights and the reason they have been restricted. I am not familiar with the circumstances of his block but as always all bans can be appealed. Talk page here. Have a good day. --Whiplash 03:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This will be fun. On my way. Dtm142 22:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Toktz-ket-xil
If you're still online, could you delete Toktz-ket-xil? It was deleted a short while ago by Karlis, but a redirect was re-created before I could move Toktz-Ket-Xil. 19:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Dtm142 19:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 19:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
There's quite a bit more vandalism that needs cleaned up, see my notes on recent changes. I'd take care of it myself, but I lack admin privileges. 01:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've blocked all of the vandals I could find - did I miss anything? Dtm142 01:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know if (s)he should be blocked... or atleast for a long time, but 24.145.64.227 has changed the price of a broken mith pickaxe from the accurate 675gp to 43gp. 01:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The vandalism appears to be starting again. I believe they are using proxies. 02:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

About my recent thread
OK, I will try to handle this calmly. Why are my posts always locked? There are other conversational threads on the forums are they aren't locked most of the time. I think as long as people are responding maturely and calmly without breaking any of the forum rules why is it a problem? Also, my previous thread that was locked had nothing to do with this.
 * You also wrote: "Jediadam4, I'm starting to get the impression that you are purposely trying to create controversial threads about trivial issues in order to get an entertaining reaction from the community or to cause disruption. There is no way this thread could contribute to anything other than a flame war or price manipulation."
 * The answer to that is no to everything. I simply want to let people know about a serious matter.

Sincerely Jediadam4 04:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The thing is that people were not responding maturely or calmly within the rules, nor were they likely to. Therefore, it's a problem.  I encourage you to rethink the content of your threads and to pick your battles wisely.  Is it really worth starting a highly controversial thread about coal burning in a video game? Dtm142 19:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I actually do think it is worth starting threads about serious matters. That's why I post them, because the issues (global warming, illegal shark fishing as you mentioned, etc.) are serious and do need to be addressed. The RuneScape Wiki community and all RuneScape players just seem to have a jolly good time playing and don't think about the real world. Think of how much electricity it takes to send all of the photons of light down th pe fiber optics, how much energy it takes to keep servers up, and above all, how much it takes to keep over 1,000,000 PCs running that are running RuneScape. Lately, I have spent more time dealing with these issues then playing RuneScape. Please also note the majority of my threads are not highly controversial.

You also didn't answer my question on my I locked my thread. I think you tried to express that you locked it because people were responding childish, but as I take a look at it here - there were only mild cases of that if any. Thanks for the "wisdom" and I will rethink what I post.


 * I might move to the RuneScape official forums. You can't lock my threads there. LOL

Jediadam4 04:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, the community is even worse there. I wish you the best of luck, but you probably won't get very far.  It might also interest you that Jagex is very pro-environment in spite of what goes on in their vitrual world with pixellated coal and sharks. Dtm142 05:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Block?
I tried accessing the forums and it wouldn't work. When I logged out, it worked, but when I logged back in it didn't. Is there any chance you're behind this? 23:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe it was Stinko? o.o Butterman62 (talk) 00:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No I don't think he can block on the forums. 00:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * First: "behind it"? Way to assume bad faith. And second, any sysop can block on the forums. Christine 00:10, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "Any chance" not just "you're behind it". And no, I don't think they can. 00:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to deny it, I did ban you from the forums. Your performance on the "I'm sick of this" thread is unaccaptable and did not go unnoticed.  You will only be unbanned if you improve your conduct in the community and demonstrate that we would benefit from you using the forums. Dtm142 01:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (New Indent) Ok I'm sorry if this offends you in any way (I'm short on time and wont be on until tuesday) but you seriously haven't been acting more mature than I have. You block without notifying anyone, and besides, biased blocking isn't very "mature". I ask that you unblock me. This all started over a rickroll, and I've apologized for that (although there isn't much to apologize for), I have apologized for calling you a noob, however, twice I had tried to end the "flaming" on that thread and twice it kept on going. Dtm, I know you're not going to unblock me because, no offense at all, but you really don't listen to anyone else's side of the story. I really don't see how I'm acting immature, and out of the three of us, I think I handled this situation best. I'm gonna go ahead and say this, although you'll ignore it, there is no reason for me to be blocked, and you're not acting very "mature" right now. 02:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's hardly biased. Other users such as InstantWinston and Stinkowing saw that you were acting immature.  It wasn't without notifying anyone either, as I left a reason as to why you were banned.  As it turns out, it didn't appear to you.  I'm sorry for that, but I didn't know that would happen when I blocked you.  You also called me an "inconsiderate idiot" several times, told me and other editors to grow up, intimidated InstantWinston by sending him moral vibes, and told me that I didn't know what friendship was about (who do you think you are?  I watched Barney, I know all about friendship!)  Your actions are comparable to Total Rune's before his ban.  Be glad that you are only banned from the forums and not the entire wiki. Dtm142 04:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Part of what you say is true, however I did not "intimidate" Cashman. Instant (Cash) and many other users on that thread said that we were ALL acting immaturely, not only me. I apologize for telling you that you have no friends, however this was in retaliation to you rubbing my blackmark in. I demand an apology for that and I will (actually, I have already) apologize for saying you have no friends. It is biased because you were part of that conversation, and if one can not see the situation from everyone's point of view, it's hardly just for them to block their opponents. Your comments on my blackmark are comparable to me telling Stinkowing that I'm glad his girlfriend rejected him. I once again demand that you unblock me, for your behaviour is hardly more mature than mine. 14:54, 13 October 2008 (UTC) (btw expect a late response, I might not be on until tomorrow)'
 * I was not rubbing your blackmark in. I'm sorry if it came across that way.  I was only trying to tell you that your blackmark was due to your own mistake, not someone else's (you appeared to be blaming someone else for the blackmark.  You said that the only reason you got it was that someone ratted on you).  Stinkowing, on the other hand, was not blaming other wikians for his real life problems.  I think that the main purpose of the thread was that you and Stinkowing would continue discussion even after a thread was locked (namely the f2p vs. p2p thread and the rickroll thread).  I'm sorry if you do not agree with my decision to lock these threads, but it was necessary to enforce the rules of the forums and to prevent flame wars.  I am going to leave you blocked for a while, as I would like to give you the chance to prove that you have the maturity to post on the forums constructively. Dtm142 22:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I am glad that you are at least trying to make an effort to put yourself in my shoes, however I do not agree with your block. I already told you that you should not comment on my blackmark because I was not blaming it on someone else, simply saying that real friends don't turn eachother in because one of them wants to be a pmod. Now I know that the mark is just (which I've repeated too many times to count) however you and a few other people just had to rub it in (twice after being asked not to). Although you have not verbally been acting immaturely, you have been locking way too many threads for vague reasons (i.e., it might cause a flame war). Also, if what you mean by "immature" is saying that the whole world can't rickroll because Stinko is having a bad day, it's true. I had said that I did not mean that offensively and Stinkowing was dramatizing everything everybody did. Yes, the thread just happened to be there at the wrong time, but it shouldn't have been locked. If you truly do find pleasure in blocking me, I can't stop you, however I do expect to be unblocked shortly so we can solve this little dispute.75.33.225.164 (IT'S ILY) 23:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you considered that Cashman wasn't trying to become a mod, but was genuinely offended by the drawing? I'm not saying for sure he was and I'm not saying he wasn't (I can't know for sure), but you really don't know his true intentions.  As for the locked threads, they break the rules therefore they get locked.  I'm sorry you don't agree with me getting rid of spam.  By immature, I mean the personal attacks on the thread (as mentioned earlier).  I am not blocking you for pleasure, I am doing it to prevent further disruption on the forums.  Come back in at least a month.  If you have shown significant improvement, you will be unblocked. Dtm142 00:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (New indent) No I say two weeks at max. I mean, I seriously don't see why I'm being blocked. Biased blocking isn't very mature, and if you're blocking me because you're trying to slow down the whole process of getting this worked out, well... that's not "mature" as you put it. The topic was not "spam" it's called "fun" (yeah kids, EFF YOU ENN Barney! lolz). If Stinkowing is offended by rickrolling, he should like... Idk just click the x in the top right (or left for Macs) hand corner of his screen. And I still don't see how I intimidated Cashman. Please explain your reasoning for my block, because right now I'm sitting in front of my monitor going "what?". 20:16, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7199/picture34xo5.png &

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9586/picture36do5.png & http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4825/picture35cz8.png -- I really don't want to get involved, but I'm sure you guys can understand what I'm getting at with those two pictures. Sorry to cram up your talk space with them dtm, the other links weren't cooperating with me :| 05:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow took me three minutes, but yeah I get it. It's much more complicated than that. 23:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Must I say it again? The link to the video didn't work!!!  There is no point in leaving a thread open if it consists only of a broken link and a few pages of spam.  As for your intimidating behaviour, you said that the reporter should be ashamed of themself.  I've already told you why you were banned - it was due to your comments in the I'm sick of this thread.  Read them over very carefully if you still don't understand your block. Dtm142 00:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it's your computer and not the link because everyone else who posted there seemed to be enjoying themselves. Anyway, how am I to read the comments over if I'm blocked (common sense). Dtm, by blocking me you are trying to avoid getting this worked out, which is against the spirit of the wiki. It was not "intimidating", I am entitled to my opinion and do not deserve to be blocked for saying that (plus, I wasn't intimidating him since I really didn't know who it was). I think many other users here (see this page) would agree that you're just being ignorant. One user refusing to listen to anyone else is dictatorship, and I expected a crat like you to act more maturely about this. 16:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe the link did work when you posted it. However, when I locked it and at the time of writing it does not work.  The forums are for discussion (hence the name forum), not for you to show some stupid video.  You have a perfectly good userpage for that type of material.  And as I said earlier, you should go here if you want real Barney style "eff-you-en".  You apparently can access the forums while blocked if you log out.  Take a minute to read over your comments in the thread.  I would expect a sysop to behave more maturely than that.  I am blocking you for attacking users on the forums.  Show some maturity and the block will be removed.  If you keep asking every day, nothing will happen.  Understand what you did wrong and wait a few weeks.  Then ask again.  Only then will I consider unblocking you. Dtm142 19:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (New Indent). I know what I said and I don't see anything wrong with it. The forums are a place for discussion and if you didn't like my thread you could have moved it to off-topic. You're being highly ignorant (as many people have already said). One user refusing to listen to anyone else and doing only what they want to is Shadowdancer-style dictatorship. Please be a little more open minded. Also, your link to that game is highly irrelevant and is no reason why 1) I should be blocked or 2) why the thread was locked. Dtm, I know this is just going through one ear and out the other but you're going against the spirit of the wiki by trying to slow down this discussion. Please at least consider your mistakes and not just read past this and say "oh wtf who cares, I'm a crat and I have higher powers and all of them, they can't do anything". 21:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * So there wasn't anything wrong with those personal attacks? You clearly aren't ready to be unblocked.  I am not trying to "slow down" any discussion.  I am trying to make the forums a safe and professional medium for discussion.  A rickrolling thread is not discussion, it is spam.  Even off topic is meant to be for discussion.  It isn't just a place to dump your garbage if there's nowhere else to put it.  The only difference between the Off Topic forum and the Tavern forum is the subject of the content.  Other than that, the same rules apply. Dtm142 21:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, you're trying to avoid your mistake by covering it up and not discussing it (lol Sara Palin SNL "I'm going to ignore that question and talk about Israel instead"). Dude, listen very carefully. Many users are saying that you are abusing your crat powers by not listening to what other people are saying. You are ignoring anything that you don't like. If I have a good reason why I think I should not be blocked, you should listen to it.. I mean, you're more mature than that. If stinko didn't want to be rickrolld, he could have clicked the big "x" at the top of his window. If I should be blocked, so should you and Stinko, and you guys shouldn't, so I shouldn't either. Deep down, you know that my block was unjust and you're trying to convince yourself it's not. A responsible, mature, helpful crat would not do that. I know you're better than that, you've shown it in the past. You're not Shadowdancer, you're smarter and better than him, but right now you're not showing that. 22:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I want nothing to do with this stupid election. I'm sorry if that came across as harsh, but I've heard about it nonstop every day for over a year.  The worst part about it is that I'm not even American.  I think that it should be very clear as to why you're blocked and myself and Stinkowing are not.  You were making personal attacks, we were not.  You've still failed to address why your rickrolling thread would be a legitimate discussion thread.  Your only reasoning is that "other crap exists".  That type of reasoning is again similar to running a red light, then justifying it by saying that other people do that all the time.  I've given you the chance to return to the forums at a later date.  But so far, you are only hurting your chances. Dtm142 22:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To the election: It's a joke XD. To the rickrolling thread, (caps for emphasis which you keep ignoring) IT WAS A FUNNY PRANK SIMILAR TO THE "BOB THE CAT WIKI" JOKE WE PLAYED LAST APRIL (2007). Not everything we do needs to create a reasonable discussion which you consider worthy of being in your "cratly" (not crappy, cratly as in bureaucrat status) presence. If you did not want it to clog up space in the tavern which could be reserved for some person with 2 posts who joined yesterday telling us that he got 80 combat, move it to the Off-Topic forum. Also, I DID NOT make personal attacks. I told Stinkowing that the whole world does not need to stop having fun because of his personal problems. I had said many times (even when I posted that) that it was not meant offensively and that he does not need to get so upset over everything. Afterward, you suggested that I may have created the thread solely for the purpose of mocking Stino. That would be highly rude and inconsiderate. Plus, I never said that "other crap exists". The horrible read light analogy that you somehow came up with was for my blackmark, which is none of anyone's business besides Jagex and mine. It was highly rude of you to keep telling me it was my fault, after being asked three times. You have yet to at least admit your mistake and apologize. Remember, I apologized for saying you had no friends, so you owe me an apology before we're even on that. Also, it is not solely and entirely up to you whether you can "give me a chance to return", that decision is reserved for the community, which seems to think you are abusing your powers. Dude, you just need to open up your mind a little. Right now, there's no point in talking to you, YOU JUST DON'T LISTEN! Stop being Shadowdancer. If I did deserve a block (which I don't), then you could have at least left a warning like a "mature" person (the word you keep using) would do, instead of blocking me without 1) telling me, 2) asking the community (irc doesn't count as a substitute for the forums or Yew Grove, 3) warning me, or 4) refusing to listen to my reasoning. I'm getting tired of talking to the wall or an empty phone line, I want you to take out the ear plugs and listen to what I'm saying, then stop coming up with useless and reasonless reasons just for the sake of slowing down discussion (which goes against the spirit of the wiki). 01:13, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The Bob the Cat joke was on April Fool's Day. That was a time and a place for such a joke.  If someone was to do that right now, I would block them for main page vandalism.  The same does for the forums - we can make that thread a global announcement on April Fool's Day, but any other time will result in it being locked.  I never suggested that you created the thread solely to offend Stinkowing, it was Stinkowing himself who assumed that.  As for the blackmark, you came across as blaming the user who reported you.  This may not have been your intent and I'm sorry if I offended you.  I was only trying to explain what you did wrong.  However, your personal attacks came across as highly aggressive and do not belong on the forums.  As I mentioned below, you were given a warning.  The I'm sick of this thread and Stinkowing's post were both warnings.  Although I was not the one to give you the warnings, you were indeed warned.  Wait your few weeks and I'm sure you'll be ready to return. Dtm142 18:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ... Dude... Listen very carefully! You're not responding to what I said. First off, I said not to comment on my block. I asked you three times to stop and you didn't stop, so it's not "I'm sorry if I offended you", it's "I'm sorry for offending you" (next time I'm gonna need to make a voice message or something, or make HUGE flashy letters on the screen -.-). Also, I never intimidated Cashman. Stinkowing said he would block me, however he was not in a state to give warnings like that. Stinkowing was obviously in a bad mood because he felt offended by the harmless rickrolling thread. I suggested that he calm down before losing his temper. There was absolutely no reason why the rickrolling thread should have been locked. Threads don't need to create a "reasonable" conversation that you find interesting for them to not be marked as spam. Every time you come across a thread that you don't like, you lock it. That, my friend, is called abuse of your powers. Also, I still fail to see how I might have offended anyone enough for them to cry or punch a hole through a wall (excluding Stinko, who had serious emotional problems at the time). Is telling someone they're a noob a SERIOUS personal attack worthy of a month block from the forums? Obviously not, and if you want it to be a crime against humanity, you should take it up with the United Nations. Dude, I suggest you take a chill pill, have a nice cup of tea, think over everything you've done, the come back and start typing. If you really feel that offended about being called a noob, you need to follow the steps above and perhaps go watch a good movie or something to relieve the stress. This is not a personal attack, you can't sue me, it's helpful advice coming from a fellow wikian. 19:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Firstly, give up on the rickrolling thread. It isn't getting unlocked whether or not you ever get unbanned from the forums.  I locked it as spam because I am doing my job as a sysop, which very few other sysops are taking the time to do.  The posts on your thread were only one line long each.  As I said before, you can use your userpage for that.  Put up a nice "You have new messages" banner linking users to this glorious video.  You already have a "click here to win the RS lotto" banner there.  Do you really think that would make a valuable forum topic?

The personal attacks I'm referring to include calling me an inconsiderate idiot, telling me that I have no friends, and telling myself and other editors to grow up, just so that we're on the same page. Dtm142 20:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I called you an inconsiderate idiot because you kept going on about my mark after I told you to stop three times, which you have yet to apologize for. If you apologize, I will apologize for calling you an idiot. Also, where did I tell editors to grow up? I remember saying that on some thread but I don't know which. Can you give me a quote (not a link)? I have already apologized for telling you you have no friends. I made mistakes, I admitted them, and it's time for you to accept my apology (as Rendova pointed out). By apologizing for mistakes, you show that you are mature enough to understand what you have done, however you have yet to apologize for (or even realize, as far as I know) your faults (pointing out my black mark after being asked to stop THREE TIMES). You also showed you were irresponsible by just going ahead and blocking me without warning or without even telling me (I was blocked for a week and a half and you never told me, I had to ask you). A responsible sysop would not block for fun, they would block for a reason. My absence in the forums has not benefited the wiki, and by doing so (and also from your behaviour on this page), you are slowing down discussion, which goes against the spirit of the wiki (as I've said many times). If anyone needs to realize their mistakes and think them over before they can return, it's you :P. Also, you have failed to address my point about you making decisions without community consent. You can not decide on your own and without any consensus or anything from the community, or without even warning me (which I've been over), telling me (same), or consulting me (which you should have, there's no point in blocking if you don't tell them what they've done wrong, especially if it's a user with a clean record who you know is not disrupting the community for fun like Total Rune). That is similar to what Shadowdancer did and is unacceptable. Please do not argue for the sake of arguing when you have made no good points and have failed to address some of mine. 20:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "Dude, grow up, don't act like Him because you're not." (page 5). "Really dude grow up, this is none of your business, this is between me and... me, not Dtm and none of you." (page 5, also a double post).
 * I did not make those posts for the purpose of offending you. It was to inform you that you shouldn't really be referencing some idiotic wannabe mod for what you did.  You kept attacking them, so I kept defending them.  I'm sorry that what I did hurt you.  As for warnings and consultation, there is no policy on the forums that requires community consent, nor is there clear policies as to whether warnings must be given.  I must remind you that wiki policies and guidelines are not in effect on the forums.  The closest thing I could find was RuneScape:User block policy, which states that "User accounts that have done more than five personal attacks may be blocked indefinitely."  You definitely have more than 5 in that thread.
 * With respect to Shadowdancer (I wonder how he feels about being referenced in every community related debate), what he did was infinitely block everyone he had a dispute with in any way over his course of editing from the entire wiki. He openly said that he was "defacing this wiki as much as [he could]".  There is a big difference between one slightly controversial forum block and blocking everyone I could on the wiki (most notably, the latter would take a lot longer since there were far fewer users in the Shadowdancer era). Dtm142 23:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Apology excepted. Also, I told them to grow up because (just like you), people made "I expected more of you" comments after I asked them not to, and yet you say you were "defending" them? I'm being flamed and attacked but yet it's my fault that people are mad at me (talking about the blackmark)? It really isn't anyone's buisiness besides Jagex's and mine. Telling someone to grow up is not a personal attack, especially if they're doing something to deserve it. A personal attack is something more along the lines of "Fuck you Dtm you're such a goddamn bitch" (excuse my language). To Shadowdancer, I said that you weren't him and that you were better than him and that you should stop acting like him. Yes, there is a difference between a highly controversial forum block and someone blocking everyone on the wiki, but it all starts with one block then escalates. There may not be any policies against the block, but just because there's no policy doesn't mean it's not wrong. Think about it, it would be more mature of you to tell everyone to calm down and to either lock the thread and create a new one or try and calm down everyone. Instead, you block someone without warning. Think about it. There's a difference between blocking Buck Nell for severe vandalism and blocking Ilyas (who is celebrating his 2 year wiki-anniversary in 10 days :D) for slightly losing his temper while he is being flamed and bashed by 3 other people (plus, the block is controversial, I think everyone would agree with the first scenario). 23:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said, I was not deliberately flaming you. You suggested that I just lock the thread and post an explaination.  However, many other forum users want me to leave controversial threads open and only block the users who are flaming.  Make up your mind, which way do you guys want it?  It seems that whatever I do as a sysop, the forum users will hate me for it.  If you and your temper can't handle that type of thread, it makes me think that I should be locking more threads and further narrowing the scope of the forums.  If that's the way it should be, I can arrange that.  Unless I need to consult a panel of the forum users for their approval every time I lock a thread, delete a post, move a thread, or ban a user.  Perhaps that's the ideal solution, since judgement obviously never works.  Calling someone an idiot or telling them to grow up is a personal attack, even if it isn't as severe as actual profanity.  You are better than Total Rune and Buck nell, but you had been acting like them on that thread, so I want to see you prove that you can do better than making personal attacks even if you are under pressure.  Do that and you'll be able to make your return.  Anyway, I'm sick of this.  But happy anniversary :) Dtm142 01:07, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Forum Check Up
Well I think you might want to take a look at this thread when you get around to it. http://runescape.wikia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=29871&sid=5f444f77a9223ddaa21447ab2afadd26#p29871. 03:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

yes please look at it... butterman things him self as an enforcer of wrong doings and surpressing new ideas... jediam and i want things to change you can read the forum section for that... and according to butterman we are breaking the rules if we are why is it he that tells us? i read some of the rules the other day and said it was encouraged... but it is really causin more problems than anything... if the thread jediam made which seems to be going to flaming is offending please inform all the main culprits Butterman Jediam and me before locking it... we have brilliant ideas we would like to see implemented or modified..... God Of War 05:28, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Though Jediadam might not actually be a troll, he is definitely acting like one in causing calamity in the community and firmly believing that what he is doing is right (which is probably all that separates him from a troll). Nothing good has come from his presence lately, and he's just causing sysops and Dtm problems by making something big out of meaningless things and beating the horse even after it's died. GoW, I know you're a good few years older than me, you've got to understand at least somewhat :S 06:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just about to come over here and inform you about that thread...XD But whatever. I say you ban Jediadam from the wiki as well; he's bound to use the Yew Grove (as he's already mentioned slightly) instead of the forums for his pointless threads.

I kind of agree with Stinko...he's just gonna keep going at it unless someone puts him to a technical stop. 00:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

RfAs to be closed
Azliq's RfA and, in a few hours Cflm's, will need to be closed.-- 00:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Forum Ban
When did the grammar become enacted a law? you see what i mean of abuse of power. Clearly you see i am bringing users into empowerment and it is a threat to you. I was never warned you are going to be banned. I was never warned about anything period. Gets you going banning people? Im being counterproductive? Well see sooner or later most of administration is going to be on my side.... ban is alright i wont fight 2 days i had stated i wasnt going to post anymore... so whatever... ill post again after the three days.... so howcome i cant see the forum at all? isnt it supposed to only make it so i cant post???? i hope you really open your eyes and see a bigger picture. Its nothing against you but your becoming more and more controlling and demanding. And aslong as your like that i will counter you until the very end... i was wishing we could be friends but you dont seem to want anything else other than power... i hope my argument with you does not involve anymore users. Like i stated previously i would like to resolve this issue between us on these talk page things. I dont want war but if it comes to it then so be it. Your a good guy you just need to get back into the right place.

God Of War 03:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It did seem that you were being a bit abusive... 03:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

i did not even mention his ban to you so i dont know why you mention it. You clearly stated ALL editors not just you not just your puppets but all are equal... i know it is not a democracy you have to open your eyes kid there is no such thing. When i was first here in the forum you were helpful and were always open to new ideas. Ill read your policies in a few days. Unlike you i have other things to do the ban is pretty funny i wasnt even going to use the forum anymore until i resolved some personal issues and got halfway done writing my book. I will continue to defend Jediadam4 and whoever you try to ban or put down... you can ban me as much as you want but as long as i dont break the rules you have to follow well i do too... you will be unable to exterminate me.... open your mind man... just because you and 2 or 3 users think something is stupid doesnt mean it is... and notice the fact that alot of users want the contreversial threads... alot of them notice how you are abusing your power... i never stated other admins did i just said lately you were... i assume my ban ends sunday night? if you want to have a "proper grammar" conversation with me let me know i am more than willing to show you why i dont agree with you and how we can resolve things without the banning or my stupid childish skirmishes on the forum. You also did not warn me AT ALL.... so just letting you know... im really not wrong and i hope that the whole forum wiki community drafts up a resolution to the people who you dont like and for you.... dictatorship democracy whatever the true power lies withing the people... can i still edit the wikia? i have a few things i can add about the new update items...
 * Yes you did. In this thread here you mentioned Ilyas at least 3 times.  You still have failed to tell me how I have "abused" my power.  Locking flame wars and banning disruptive users like yourself isn't conisidered abusive for your information.  I'm still awaiting that nice, gramatically correct explaination about how I have been abusive.  If you are really writing a book and in college, you should easily be able to use proper grammar.  RuneScape has an age limit of 13 years, which in my opinion is more than enough time for even a slow learner to learn how to use a language properly.  You can edit the wiki while banned (you wouldn't be able to edit my talk page if you were blocked from the wiki). Dtm142 19:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the talking (not counting qc) age limit is 13, Jagex made it so you can join under 13 but have to use quick chat until you're 13. 01:18, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The "abuse of power" is the fact that you banned someone without any sort of prior warning whatsoever. Sure, you kept getting on his case about his grammar, but nobody would ever expect that to be a warning for a potential ban. And yes he mentioned Ilyas' ban, but I don't see how that is him being a disruptive user at all. In his opinion, and many share his sentiment, Ilyas' ban was also unjustified and God of War was letting his opinions be heard. If you want to make a rule that you're not even allowed to talk about banned people, you should tell people that before you start handing out bans. But the biggest issue here is probably not whatever reason you deemed fit to ban him, but the fact that you didn't give him any sort of warning. Even if God of War did go seriously out of line, he should have been warned with a message telling him he was on the verge of being banned, not just some silly message talking about his poor grammar like some sort of grade school teacher. 14:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ilyas was in a sense given a warning. The I'm sick of this thread was the warning.  Stinkowing gave Ilyas a warning.  Just because I was not the one to give the warning doesn't mean that a warning was not given.  I did not ban God Of War for mentioning Ilyas.  I did tell him that Ilyas's ban was justified, but I did not ban him because of that.  Nor did I ban him because of his brutal grammar.  I banned him because he repeatedly said that I was abusing my power (before I even banned him) without any reasoning to back it up.  His lack of a gramatically correct explaination that I've asked him to provide tells me that he's only trying to cause trouble.  I gave him 3 days so that he has a chance to comprehend the wiki policies and to give me this explaination as to how (in his mind) I've been abusive.  And no, a warning does not always have to be given.  If someone just started posting porn on the forums, I would permanently ban them right away.  Warnings are meant for minor rule violations and isolated incidents, not deliberate community disruption. Dtm142 18:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, if you have your reasons to ban then those are your reasons, even if not everybody agrees. And I'm aware Ilyas was given a warning(s), I was referring to God of War's ban when I mentioned that about no warning. Yes, he mentioned you abusing your power, but I don't think anyone here was trying to purposefully disrupt the community or create drama as you say. Some people were just concerned with how the Ilyas situation was handled, and while God of War's actions were far from tactful, his intentions seemed to be for the sake of Ilyas and ensuring the actions in the community are fair. Quite the opposite of deliberate community disruption. When you asked him to explain himself and he failed to give a grammatically correct response, he was banned just like that. And yes, obviously a warning is not always warranted, especially like in the case you mentioned, but I hardly think him questioning the ban or even commenting on your usage of admin powers is on the same level as posting porn/gore/flooding with profanity/etc. My main concern is not that he got banned, it's just he got banned so quickly, over something that seems so trivial, that he should have deserved at least one "Hey if you keep this up I'm gonna have to take away your posting privileges" before any action would be taken against him. 01:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * He gets one before his next ban :P Dtm142 01:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

so i get banned if i go offtopic? what about you? you went offtopic like 3 times in that same thread! banning me has only caused you problems. To me the ban didnt mean anything... 3 days are 3 days... to you i might seem a disruptive no good user but look my first post after my ban ended was helping some new user.... who is doing right and who is doing wrong? how did i deliberately cause disruption? it was Jediadam4's ideas which i modified. And MOST users agreed with. They might be stupid and against what you think is right but other than my grammaticly incorrect spelling they make sense. They do need to be modified and re-written but it is a start. Like it or not the time is ripe for change. Thanks for laughing at the way you think a ban goes. I was right to you it is funny. To you the greater good of the community isnt top priority. Over and Out... oh and when i mentioned Ilyas it was in the forum not over the talk page. Have a nice day and dont work to hard God Of War 01:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC) lolz