Talk:Draconic visage

Drop chances.
they both have the same drop rate confirmed by jagex but if you know the ratio edit this

Drop rate
The drop rate is claimed to be 1/2 -

(the drop rate is 1 in 2 for kbd), but this remains at 1/2 for every kill, thus there is a 50 % chance of getting a visage every kill as a bonus drop. non accumalative chance, and bonus drops ara similar to charms etc, you dont get a bonus drop every kill. take for example the likelyhood of getting a drop from a dust devil, then multiply this by the ratio of, that is closer to the likelyhood of getting a boner.

Yep, it's true. I get a visage every two trips there. I make almost 300m a day from them. Nobody else knows about it though, so that's why their prices are at 37m a piece... Go back to lumby newb.

The best source for visage drop rates I know of is at http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?17,18,367,58709495. If you don't feel like reading it, the drop rate is probably somewhere between 1 in 5k and 1 in 10k, but with only 16 logged drops, there's a lot of room for error there. To3cutt3r 15:36, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

You make like 300m a day from visages? Nice lie its likes 1 in 10000 chances of getting one.

Hey, I know this isnt much use, but I just got a dvis <3 after killing maybe 200 irons?

What monster are you killing? i got visage drop solo kbd world 2 i took it to the buy in edge ville and payed 1.6m for a dfs sold dfs bought d claws bandos tassy(claws are same price as dfs, and to buy a tassy you would need another 25m).

I spent three days killing iron dragons and no visage drops. I didn't even get a dragon platelegs or plateskirt drop. No clue scroll either because I had one in my bank... Just a bunch of rune limbs and javelins. And this was at range 82 so it's not like the kills came that slowly. <-- Kj1611 RS screen name.

Where are you guys talking about??? 1/1500 at steel dragons

never had one, after killing thousands of blacks, irons, steels. I gave up, bought one.

I've killed a little more than 300 steels dragons...and 300 irons. I've got two draconic visages. While some of my other friends have killed over thousands of irons...and most likely thousands of steels hoping for a dv. They have not yet gotten it and wonder how I have. I'd say that it is based on luck. I don't think there is a drop rate...because if there is...it's false.

There is also a small possibility you could get 4 visages from one dragon. This is extremely rare and has only happened once in runescape to a player called me. I had to kill approximately 4 blue dragons to get this drop. Personally I was so

excited I wet pants 4 times. The drop rate of getting one visage per blue dragon is about 1/60. Ive tested this many times with my boner and I have confirmed that it is correct since I have approximately 4 visages in my bank. Thank you

blue drags don't even drop visages you liar.--Qazwsx753421 05:46, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Solved
'Ere you go, took it from here.

Number of kills

 * Black Dragons:10000 kills
 * Iron Dragons: 63075 kills
 * Steel Dragons: 37654 kills
 * Mithril Dragons: 9492 kills
 * King Black Dragons: 9939 kills
 * Skeletal Wyverns: 14398 kills
 * frost dragons 23456 kills

Number of visages

 * Black Dragons: 16 Visages reported.
 * Iron Dragons: 48 Visages reported.
 * Steel Dragons: 23 Visages reported.
 * Mithril Dragons: 2Visages reported.
 * King Black Dragon: 17 Visages reported.
 * Skeletal Wyverns: 99 Visages reported.


 * frost dragons : 8 visages reported.

====Drop rate (THERE IS NO DROP RATE GUYS ITS ALL RANDOM CONFIRMED BY JMOD AT RUNEFEST) - how can there be no drop rate...? Fail understanding of randomness and maths(<- yes i suppose due to maths there 'has' to be a rate but unless you see the tables they use for drops and know each slot then you can't work it out)==== Black Dragon Drop Rate : 1/7890 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 5875 and 1/12010

Iron Dragon Drop Rate : 1/6310 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 4611 and 1/10040

Steel Dragon Drop Rate : 1/5060 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 3044 and 1/15080

Mithril Dragon Drop Rate : 1/2370 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 1999 and 1/2910

King Black Dragon Drop Rate : 1/3310 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 2270 and 1/6110

Skeletal Drop Rate : 1/14400 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 8773 and 1/40160

Conclusion
The drop rate is very low, what we knew already. The previously stated drop rate was 1/30. THATS A LOT OF BULL. Don't think steel dragons have a high drop rate. As all confidence intervals for each dragon do not overlap, there is a high chance that each dragon has a unique drop rate. Mithrils and King Black Dragons have the best, but they are also much harder to kill. --Cornelijus 10:00, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

visage Which dragon is best to kill !?!?!???!?!?!??!

i got my first visage 2 days ago from my 2nd overall task of black dragons.1/180 black dragons.but i ve done many metal dragons tasks and got only 5-6 d legs and 3 d skirts.a friend of mine got 2 visages in 3 days.i almos quit rs those days

this is ridiculous i have killed alot of these and no drops its not cool i need advice208.84.196.130 20:27, April 10, 2010 (UTC)i killed 10 steel dragons and got 3 draconic visages :P wtf, that's ******* rediculous! i should start killing steel dragons instead of hunting kinglys. =P ur some lucky s.o.b dude.

This drop rate is crap, It is random. I've been hunting steels/irons/blacks/kbds since the day it came out for an hour a day and i havent got one yet

guys i have killed 3023 black drags and still no visage so your stuff on drop rate is a load of crap sorry


 * It is not. Getting it is completely random. You might get two in 10 kills, you might get one in a million kills. The drop rate on the page is just an average. 10:33, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

dude dnt worry i just got a visage on my 3031 kill yay!!!!!!!!!


 * Congrats! What were the chances. We don't have a drop rate on the Black dragon page for visage, it only says "Very rare". What drop rate are both of you talking about??  10:35, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

it was 1 in 3031 :D im so lucky nice 30mil to add to my huge bank and im only lvl 85 70def 88 ranged rofl

GUYS THERE IS NO DROP RATE IT IS RANDOM! drop rates given are averages

omg litteraly 20 seconds after i left that message the dude next to me got a visage worth 33 mil @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@'

So would killing a king black drag make it faster to get one?

just ware a ring of wealth(rings of wealth do not help with items such as d visages, a draconic visage falls under the "special or bonus" drop category which there is no item in the game that can increase your chance of getting a special item, a ring of wealth increses "top" drops or dragon legs and various rune items).

it increaces the chance to get any and all rare drops on any one thing so its better to increace your chances then to just kill more and the are very cheep like 10k or so i think they may be like 5k but i can kill green drags and get from +50k the usual or +0k the usual so it is random...

ring of wealths increase the chances of getting coins in drops, not rare items.

u cant get dvis's from black dragons so thts a waste of time

You, sir are an idiot. Black dragons drop visages. Next time look at the beastiary at tip.it before you make yourself look like an moron on the internet.

Basically the way it works is, if you go get a lottery ticket say the chance of you winning 1/10000 the next time you get a lottery ticket the chance of you winning is still 1/10000, what im saying is that it is not a set amount of kills before you get a visage it is random. Every kill has an equal chance of having a visage as a drop it does not increase over time. Ring of wealth has no effect on visage as it bonus drop. So therefore No drop rate just random chance of getting drop. It is done the same as getting 3rd age armour from level 3 clue, doesn't matter how many you do you still have a 1/1000 chance of getting the Armour each time. Hope this clears up some confusion. (and no i haven't had a visage before = --- Confirmed by S E I Bs' drop rate guide, the porbability of getting a visage from a black dragon is 1/8500.

Wow this is gay ive been killing dragons since 86 range and I am now 95 range going on 96 lol idk what to do now im getting very bored and mad :(

04:23, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * There was a postbag comment on how rings work, basically it said that it improved the result once you are on some kind of "rare" table already. It's on this wiki somewhere. Rich Farmbrough, 06:00 23 December 2009 (GMT).

I got a visage after killing 600 iron/steel dragons from an iron dragon. Since then I have killed over 2000 and haven't found one again.

Its all just really luck... =[ killed aorund 10k steels and 5k blacks and maybe 2k irons and no visage...just like how i got 2 dragon legs in 1 trip but thats not too special.

All of you are stupid. Row (ring of wealth) doesnt work because the visage is a bonus drop. The drops rates are based on only a few drops so they are not going to be spot on. And dont go counting your kills thinking that your going to get a visage on the 10,000th kill because the drop rate says so. It doesnt matter if you are on your 1st of 1,000,000 kill, the odds will still be 1/10,000, so the best thing you can do is hope to get lucky!!

09:58, May 9, 2010 (UTC)09:58, May 9, 2010 (UTC)213.164.222.2

Guys, never EVER kill black dragons/steel dragons/mith drags etc. for a visage.

Most people forget that the visage is only a bonus drop, like a little bonus for killing dragons and that it is NOT just a rare drop.

For those who don't know the difference between a bonus drop and a rare drop then here it is:

Rare drop: A rare drop is an item which (usually) takes a long time to get (1/5000 for example) but increases after each kill.

Bonus drop: A bonus drop also takes a long time to get, but unlike the rare drops it does NOT increase after each kill, its random all of the time and it will stay random. You will have to be lucky to get these drops. another example is the Heads drop (abyssal head, kbd head etc.).

Some people can get a vissy after only 3 kills while some have to kill over ten thousand and still not get a visage.

Personally i don't think that killing black dragons for a vissy isn't worth the time, if you need money do something which is profitable, you could for example get 5 barrows helm drops in the time you're busy getting a visage without any success.

i spent two weeks killing flying dildo's, i only got 700 visages. what a shit-head. now im going to strap ons i hear they drop tassy's!


 * Based on what we know from Jagex, drop chances for each item are constant, and do not change over time (unless Jagex purposely changes them).

A rare item is simply something you don't get often. A bonus item is dropped separate to other drops, much the same way charms and clue scrolls are. Items can be both. 16:46, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

visage ='[ with a tear in my eye
i have killed over 12 thousand iron dragons and used over 6 mills worth of pots, this is rediculous. has anybody got any tips for me? i.e. a different dragon or my own personal jesus? if u can help me out a lot more than just this chat add me on RS im (zhao yun 260) without brackets lol =] Idiot.

only iron and steel dragons drop vissage so smd
 * Be nice. 17:09, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Black dragons can.

I killed 17000 steel dragons and 4000 iron dragons, never had draconic visage drop(just pick up all the bones, then u will have alot more cash. :P)

I Got a Visage on my 7th kill at Black Dragons, for my slayer task, now when i go their i expect to get one, before i didn't even know black dragons dropped them, so you get more stressed when you dont get one if you expect one, which is why it is right not to expect to get one, that way you wont be dissapointed that you didn't! :)

response: wtf mate, you feel proud when you steal a kill like a pussy. then gloat oy just stole the visage they rightfull earned. people liek you ruin runescape.

(: when you get your first visage, you feel proud. me and my mate, went kbd, it was his first time and my 53rd trip, we crashed a clan of 3 voiders and got visage, 17.6mil split thats the sorta thing you look forward to good luck with getting visagesssss (':

my loots
i got d legs then d skirt then d med in 100 days i thkn it is all random
 * i thkn it r randm 2. -- 01:55, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

the way for a visage.. like i got mine... is to be this faking faking up off trying to get one and think thats my last run .... then i got mine in the next kill rofl


 * I have no idea what you just said... Quest_Cape_HQ.png Suppa chuppa Questicon.PNG 21:05, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I typically get 1 d skirt or pants per week. Those seem pretty common among the rare drops.

Visage Drop/Ring of Wealth
readingggggggggggggggggg over the board i noticed that at least two ppl were mistaken about about the effect of the ring of wealth, it does effect rare drops not just coins but it does not effect"extra drops" an "extra drop" is something that is separate from the monsters actual drop such as charms. just wanted to point that out guys ya ive been at iron/steelies for a a lil over a week now and still no vissage altho i did get a few skirts this does not seem worth the effort. i can be there for more than 2 hours per trip sometimes killing as many as 45 dragons using as many as 500 bolts and most of the time after re-buying bolts and pots im only gaining a profit of 50k as anyone knows dragon bones being what they are now you can easly make 100k every 15 mins or so at green dragons. so maybe i should just stick with that but just the thrill of knowing that i have a chance of getting a vissage keeps me here waisting time lol well anyway 1/52 seems hardly believable even as an average... most ppl i know have killd 1000+ b4 there first and no one i know has gotten it b4 killing atleast 500

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peace Please dont put '1/52' in peoples heads. Its harder to get a bronze full helm than that! The real ratio is 1/8500 for black dragons, so its nearly impossible, but keep trying and you may get a visage.

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I have looked this up on the runescape website : when you kill something (lets say a black dragon) you get a 100% drop (dragon bones + black d'hide) a common drop (coins, adamant javelins...) and a chance at a rare drop. The rare drop is represented as a "Wheel of Fortune" wheel, with many spaces to land on. This wheel has many blank spots and rare drops (visage, dragon egg...). Each time you get a kill, you get a "spin" on this wheel, which may result in a rare drop or nothing at all. Wearing a ring of wealth will take away some of these blank spots and therefore increasing the change of you getting a rare drop. The ring of wealth does not increase the chance of a common drop. (50 skilled)

Sounds Legit :)

don't waste your time
seriously, why spend like 3 months hoping to get a visage when you can just earn the money and buy one, 35m isn't alot. i got my dfs from running double nats for a week. (you don't need 91 rc just request assist in w36)

lol what the guy said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^, it might work bucuse they will do it for free becuz they will get a lot of exp.

ya they will only do this for about an hour, they can only get 30k xp an hour so dont waste your time on this either, do slayer it has made me over 600m. (lvl 83 slayer)

Unless you stopped at 83 slayer and camped mages for 550m/you got 3-4 third age clue scrolls from slayer, its hard to beleive you make over 600m from slayer. I am 83 my self, look up Wcing Isfun if you don't believe me.

dont waste ur time
Sorry but runescape specifically said that there is no way of improving the drop rate for them "including" talking to Oziach (guy from dragon slayer) the chance is as random as getting a clue scroll. sorry man but you were misinformed, or just have some issues with telling the truth.

NO YOU CANNOT GET 2 VISAGES IN 1 DROP
Simply because Visage, is a bonus drop, therefore it is 1 item that is added to a main drop. So you can get like Dragon platelegs + Visage in same drop, but you cannot get 2 bonus drops if u know what i mean.

for all you people who say it is'nt possible to get Draconic visage from black dragons read this:

The Draconic visage is a very rare drop from black, iron, steel, and mithril dragons, as well as Skeletal Wyverns, and the King Black Dragon.

or who say that you can get a better chance by using a ring of wealth well:

The Draconic visage is a "bonus" drop. This means that it is included in a dragon's main drop, and it is never the main drop itself, meaning it can be dropped as well as another item, such as the Dragon platelegs. As such, it has been confirmed by Jagex, that the visage is NOT affected by the Ring of wealth. It is unknown whether the drop rates are different for each monster.

Still, you may as well bring it as it increases your chances of getting other smaller loot.

Runescape monster drops are like a slot machine, completely random.

As the person above me has said you cannot get 2 vissage's in one kill. Although about 2 weeks ago i was killing mith drags for a slayer task and got a DRAGON FULL HELM and a DRACONIC VISSAGE in same kill!!!!!!! Was really happy but this proves that you can get a rare drop and a bonus drop in the same kill.

Visage
As everyone has said before Visage is completely random. I just started ranging black dragon an hour ago and I got a viage on my 18th kill on a black dragon. Never killed them a day in my life then Bam. Visage. my friend has a video of 2 visage drops in 11 kills. Yet some people will kill 100,000 and never get one. It's all odds... 1/100,000 or 1/10,000 doesn't matter. Even if you kill that ammount you are still not guarenteed a drop. You kill one and your odds are right back at square one again as if you had killed none. (im lvl 138 and i no all about drop rates and this is exatcly the answer to all the questions ITS ALL RANDOM)

I have to agree i headed into the evil chickens lair basically because i was bored and got the visage after 2 kills......... yes you read it correctly 2 and i'd never been there before

Ritsu

Y A N K M E Responds

True but not true, Yes your odds are the same each kill, but killing none means 0/1 chance of getting lol. So the more you do kill the more likely you are to earning one, but yes the odds are stacked against you, but when you do not there is no chance. Best bet is to simply go to steels or irons for decent charm drops, easy afk'ing and getting your prayer up while doing so, plus you always come back with more money if you range, I think i get a dragon drop at least 1/5 trips, so on top of rune drops, charms, dragon bones, you have a more normal chance of dragon drops, and a rare bonus drop of visage.

FACTS RELEASED BY JAGEX:

ring of wealth does not affect bonus drop, only the rare drop of a monster. (visage is a bonus drop, as stated by jagex)

pretty much do what you want, and have fun..if you try to hard you will be upset, coming from someone who killed 4k steels (i didn't count irons) but i went from 43 pray to 60 pray down there! lol

The part that bothered me most was that my friend whom i showed the way down to the dragons got a visage in 3 kills..after killing so many, that was upsetting, but is the odds.

Y A N K M E on rs

Its funny, but i guess that the more you kill the more likely you will get a visage, because the porbability stays the same but the fact that you kill the dragons makes the difference.

The Drop Rate
The drop rate of visages do not have a percentage as this is just based on averages and reports. Not everyone that has won a visage from a kill has reported it. Also, ring of wealth does not effect it. There is no percentage of getting as this drop is a bonus drop means your either going to be added or not. The only thing I can say that might be a percentage is If the visage is added to your kill meaning if it even has a CHANCE of getting picked for the drop. To me if this is true then the ring of wealth can affect the drop rate if it is even added but it does not affect the chance of going into the pile of main drops. I'll revise this later if this confuses you.

Ring of Wealth: Works on Visages?
Guys, jagex has confirmed that wearing a Ring of Wealth will NOT increase your chances of getting a visage.
 * Could we have a screenshot? He has knocked four times. 22:54, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Heres my theory on visages: if you want to, go ahead and try :) sure the odds are against you but hey.. even if you dont get one just bank your bones and youll still make profit, and range exp, (or melee if you meleeing.. i suggest range tho) if your lucky, then bam, visage, if not, then you get exp. either way its win/sorta win.

i got my visage after 2 years of not playing RS =P got on RS asked a friend for the quickest way to make some money and he pointed me to black drag =) so my first 15 kills i got one =)

Factual correction
The ring of wealth betters all drops and more of them. There is people who has tried for months to even get one. There is people that got one on there first kill. Get a ring of life and have a iron, steel, mith, or black dragon slayer task, it helps. The drop rate is around 1/1000 kills. It doesnt mean you could get it in 1000 kills though. It is very close to the drop rate of a d chain. It is completly random. It is said that the chance of getting a visage is the same as the chance of the evil god Zamorak giving up his evil ways. Lose hope, dont lose hope. After this I hope it is clear to you. You cant go in there and expect one.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Drop rate
I am wondering whether we should use this thread as a reliable source so that we could have an estimate of what the drop rate of the visage would be. I couldn't find any other drop log threads with a very large (20,000+) drop sample, so it is rather hard to confirm these figures. I do think however that it is a reasonably reliable thread, where you would have to manually show them your visage drop before they add it. It also has the advantage of having hundreds of thousands of recorded drops.

I think that we should use it. What does anybody else think?? 09:27, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sicne nobody has commented in nearly a week, I will take that as a vote of silence. I might add the links if nobody else comments in the next 24 hours. 04:24, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * The drop rate of a visage is 1/27 it might be dif for other people
 * The drop rate of a visage is 1/27 it might be dif for other people

Self knowledge on visage drops
All visage drops are simply a matter of chance and luck, there isn't a fixed drop rate and it is never guaranteed that a certain number of drops will get you a visage (maybe if you killed 1,000,000,000,000,000 mithril dragons might insure you getting it). I've played for years and self searched for the visage as a drop, killed every known dragon type Runescape has confirmed to drop it. Black dragons, Iron dragons, Steel Dragons, King Black Dragons, and Mithril Dragons. I've killed thousands of Black Dragons and several hundred Mithril Dragons. I still have not attained a single visage drop. All I can suggest is go for the Mithril Dragon and at least in your attempts, you may earn yourself a Dragon Full Helm. Along with other high value drops that could may as well total up to the amount you need to buy your own Dragonfire Shield.

Again, it is all luck and nothing more. Nothing increases the chance, nothing decreases it (outside of fighting ones that don't drop it like Green Dragons, durp). Good luck to anyone out there searching for it. Still searching for mine.

do u guys go to math? every runescape drop is "random" (except for bones and 100% stuff like that). every item must have a ratio that jagex has plugged in. if the ratio for a visage is 1/10000 then that mean if u kill 10000 you sshould get a visage somewere in those kills. if you kill 9999 and say well the odds are ill get a drop next kill.... your wrong. when you look at it as a single kill it will always be 1/10000, but if you look at it as a whole then it will be you will be sure to get one before you reach 10000. btw kbd is way to go if u want visage...just sayin

That's a common misunderstanding. If an item has a 1/10,000 Drop Rate, it doesn't mean you'll get it in 10,000 kills; it means that every kill, you have a 1/10,000 chance of getting it.

well maybe it would be more senceful to say 0,01% this means if u got this chance on a visage at every kill if u see it as an individuum

but f u ever heard something about stochastic u must know this :

if u look at the chances in the whole system ur first drag has two choices too drop: 0.01% drop it and 99.99 to not drop it.

now if u kill the second one the chance not to get it 2 times in a row is 99.99 x 99.99 which would make a chance of like 99.985 not to get it 2 times in a row.

so the propability of not getting a visage 1000 times in a row is 90% which makes the chance to get one 10 %....


 * What you say is true. But please, please: spelling? Quest_Cape_HQ.png Suppa chuppa Questicon.PNG 21:04, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

A mate of a mate of mine has gotten 2 visages, when i heard that the guy was cb 132.

The drop rate is better the higher lvl the drag is, steels hae 1/1500 drop rate, irons have 1/10000 etc.

the chance of getting it is the same on each kill so you have 1/10000 chance each time you kill iron drag. if you kill 10000 iron drags there is still a 1/10000 chance on your 10001 drag. its like if you buy 100 lottery tickets you will have a 100 times greater chance of getting it than if you buy one but once youve looked at 99 tickets the last ticket only has the same chance.

The Ring of Wealth does NOT affect the drop rate of the Draconic visage, Godsword hilt, Dragon chainbody, Dragon full helm, Spirit sigils, King Black Dragon Heads, or other unique drops. It only affects the items on the rare drop table. (go to the rare drop table...this was taken from the "Trivia" section)

^^^^^^correction: the Ring of Wealth does not affect draconic visage, kbd heads. It DOES affect those other drops listed, while NOT using lootshare, as they are NOT bonus drops. For example: you can't get a bandos hilt and 19k gp at the same time, because they are both top drops, which ARE affected when using a Ring of Wealth.
 * No, it only affects items on the rare drop table. Please read ring of wealth for more info. 16:33, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * i started my hunt for a visage when i was lvl 59 ranged i got it on lvl 62 i didn't count how many dragons i killed ( black dragons btw) then after a while when i spent the money i went after another one i started again at lvl 63 now i'm lvl 74 still no second visage... so acording to me every kill could give u one but every 10.000 kills doesn't doesn't ensure u one so i hope u all atleast get the chance to get one like me and i wish we could all get more good luck to all

Drop Rate for each Drag/Wyvern
So if I understand this correctly, since the drop rate on a visage is completely random like you guys say it is, everyone has the same chance of getting a drop on their first Bronze Dragon as their first Mith Dragon. Doesn't seem like that should be the case.75.30.194.117 21:52, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, what completely random means that each kill on a certain type of dragon has the exact same probability of resulting in a visage drop regardless. The ring of wealth, among other things does not affect the drop rate. Completely random merely means that it's uninfluenced by any factor other than the pure chance of the "drop wheel" landing on the visage. However, I do think that the chance of the drop differs among the dragon types, though I am not certain. --Suppa chuppa 01:53, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

I bet when it comes out *cough2013cough* the Dragon dragon will drop the visage ;) Coelacanth0794 01:55, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Lol. There isn't even an Adamant dragon yet. So have fun waiting for a Dragon one. --Suppa chuppa 01:57, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

NP, hope you do too :) Coelacanth0794 20:37, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Can you even imagine how hard it would be to kill a dragon dragon... seriously... lol...what level is it gonna be? 1599? gawd...

Well ive been reading this.. because im level 121..and ive made and lost millions on this game.. and i wonna get lucky for once.. insted of powering, so am blipped up.. chillen at black D's an it came to me, (all this talk about drop rates)... what about it jagex do it differently?? what if they put like.. a certain amount of drags with vis drops?? like.. when 1000 drags is killed.. 1 is added with a vis?? or something.. the odds would change dramatically obviously. But wtf.. why cant they just give me one.

Oziach Cant Hurt?
i killed about 400 iron dragons then i had to go restock. i happend to have a glory charged on so i went to edgeville. while there i talked to oziach because i heard about the drop rate. i talked to him and the next morning after i logged on, 4th kill i got a visage. everyone says not to talk to the fat bald guy that sels rune platebodies but it doesnt hurt.

No it cant hurt, but it cant help either since it has been confirmed by jagex that nothing can affect the drop rate for a visage. This includes Oziach, ring of wealth, and numberous kills. It is true however that the higher the dragons level, the more prone to rare drops they are.

Is it worth the time?
hi guys i was wondering if it is worth my time and money too kill these dragons i need too know if i should. please comment.

It can be worth your time if you can get a drop fast enough. It may take you a day, a week, a month or two... so it's really up to you to keep killing until you get a visage. The chances for a visage are completely random. Hope that helps.

Am I lucky or what?
First task of steel dragons ever and I got a visage... sold it, bought claws :D

killed about 400 irons and got one

^^^^^

hahahha claws fail there for pjers as they are only good for using the spec after that there are useless. L.

^^^

that kid only says that cause hes a loser who cant afford claws

^^^^^

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No that kid is probably one of those level 100s that got rushed on a PvP world while trying to 76k.

I kill stole a visage before
I was at black dragons leveling my range and collecting black dragonhides battling over who gets the next dragon. the person next to me attacked the dragon and got it to 70% but then got attacked by the chaos monks guy thats there(this was back when he would attack, now he doesnt) he told me i could take his kill so i did and got a visage. =) that was after about 5 runs of black dragons so... in my oppinion its completely random no guaruntee.

black drags
Dont use ring of wealths they dont help i just got a viage today may 1st 2010,and i didnt have one and after just 7 kills i got one.=D

well i in fact got my only visage first trip 8th kill black dragon's so its all luck noring of wealth's gonna help you get it keep your head up and go get it(:

personally, i dont believe this.. as if he had taken 70% of damage from the dragon, there is absolutely NO CHANCE of you getting the drop as u would only have 30% left to take.. so i dont believe this sorry..

^^^^^^He means the dragon had 70% hp left, after dealing 30% damage.

Black Dragons are annyoing
So I've killed over 200 black dragons now counted as my slayer task were there. Still no visage :o

Yeah I know it's sad :/ I'm so upset but made over 2m from bones and hides :D

The Great Visage Mystery
I have killed thousands of every dragon. Most combat skills I have raised through the slaying of dragons.

All I can say is I have never got anything better than a Dragon Plateskirt.

I always use RoW as it still increases other drop rates.

Just quit trying so hard. All the dragons I killed made me a ton of cash without a single visage.

Lucky drop
I got a vissy from kbd on kill #13. GL all!

I GOT VISAGE IN MY FIRST KILL OF IRON DRAgon 07:42, May 27, 2010 (UTC)07:42, May 27, 2010 (UTC)~ weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Best Dragon for a Visage?
Well, I would say, with the proved drop rates above, steel dragons are the best way to get a visage. If you have a high enough ranking level, there won't be much difference between steel and iron dragons. 16:49, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Tbh- I would rather say Frost Dragons are the best.

Why? Well, I only killed 1.1k and got Vissy, a lot of people get within 2k kills.

And each dragon takes about 1 minute to kill.

Sure it's 85 Dungeoneering, but I'm a pure, and this is one of the ebst moeny making (1.2m/h+)

Good range xp for pures with cannon (60k range xp/h)

Nice charms (a lot of greens (saying the base is Crimsons and Golds, greens is twice as much..and blues are five times less))

And a very good chance for visage. (2k kills average)

Completely Random!!
Ummm, so I see the drops are random (which I already knew). And that is completly true!

I had never killed ANY Visage-droper dragon in my life. And one day, after doing some research, I found out the existence of the visage so I went to hunt metal dragons.

In my 5th kill (Iron Dragons), I got a Visage. Concidering the fact I had never killed a metalic dragon, KBD or wyvern, its all really odd! My friend has killed dragons for months,and he hasnt even gotten Drag Platelegso.0! I killed drags for 10 minutes and got a visage, so I am like...this is random!!

is it possible that the type of risk you have can affect you getting it? just asking runescape has many mysteries

drops
the funny thing is i always get drops from iron/steeldragons when im afk and my window is minimized or on facebook rofl funny how i got 2 dlegs from that and 1 right now typing here i swear to my life.

spell check much ^^^^^^^?

fixed Darth rovius 20:33, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

A little bit of math.
I don't know what algorithm Jagex uses to calculate their drops, but let's assume it's pretty random.

We've seen that the probability that you get the drop is very low (less than 1/1000) so we're going to assume a limit going to a very large number.

This mean that given the probability of getting one (which even Jagex doesn't know _exactly_, unless they use an algorithm that loops - in which case it would be much more possible to hack a drop, so they wouldn't do that):

We have the following senario:

if 1/n is the probability of getting a visage, then after n kills, you will have a roughly (because n isn't quite infinity) 1/e (e~2.71828) chance of having gotten a visage.

What this means: _if_ the chance of getting a visage is 1/10 000, then after 10 000 kills flip a coin twice and call it. For every 10 000 kills that's about the probability you will have received the visage.
 * On top of that, THe odds of receiving a dragon chainbody from a Barbarian assult high gamble are rumored to be roughly1/10000 so why noy rack up some honour points =P.

Now that you know how things work, please refrain from posting anything but killcounts that will help us work out the drop rates.

Thanks

76.66.181.38 14:05, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

MENTAL IMAGE: DROP RATIO FOR DRACONIC VISSAGE.
My first vissage i got at combat 72, using a range xp calculator to track kills. I got vissage on my 93rd kill doing only irons. I am working on my second in my spare time and have (using calc), killed over 3,193 irons and no DV. The drop is of course random, friend got 2 vissages in a day (no lie saw them both) while my other friend has spent almoast a year hunting. It helps to visualise the chances of drops as a roulete wheel. NORMAL DROPS ONLY .... depending on the rarity of a normal drop (drag med, drag skirt, rune battle axe) we can come close to determining the ammount of #'s on the wheel. HOWEVER, DRACONIC VISSAGE IS A BONUS DROP ...... bonus drops are random so this imaginary roulete wheel for bonus drops is... can either be 100% with 1 # on the wheel, or it can be a wheel with infinite #'s. The only way to get a vissage drop is to kill the designated dragons that drop it and hope your luck is good.  There is is only 1 ratio for the draconic vissage drop that can be confirmed by anyone, if you quit killing these dragons your chances of the drop are 0% . Do not let your already hard work go to waste and keep trying..........On a brief note: Ring of Wealth does not effect drop ratio of Vissy drop however it will effect your chances of rare (normal table) drops, so it doesn't hurt to wear....and to those who said they get vissages every day or every 3 loads, you made me LMAO.... GF private server ~Angel F o x

FOX POKEPURE- ok its random and its like a roulete wheel, but i tell u theres no CHANCE! only what is called(after 3 years of gaming)R.D.E(Random.Drop.Effect) yes R.D.E it goes like this, if a drop item is a bone lets say, and u kill a dragon,whell if it always drops its R.D.E is 0. so no bother with it.but if u get one that appears half the time u kill a dragon, well then the R.D.E is 2, how well the drop rate(D.R.) IS 50% so out of 100%, 50% is half =2,so we get the F.E(fail.effect) which is like the roulete wheel, if u have bones, hide, gold ,and the vissage in there, and every time u kill a dragon one or two come out so if the R.D.E is 0 u will git it everytime but the 2 u will get the 2nd time, and if u have one that is 1+ in the R.D.E then u can get the F.E. SO U CAN MISS A CHANCE TO GET AND U CANT DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. so they say black dragons got 1/8500 chance so .85 of 100% is (to on the spot) R.D.E OF .0085 so which means the F.E 117.647058823529411764705882 ( ON THE SPOT TOO) so u will fail 117 of the .0085 times it drops so u will fail to get it very very very often, but the fail effect can stop and u will get it then but u cant do that, the computer does that,so in the end we find that if u try to get a vissage from a black dragon u will get the vissage the first time to the 117647058823529411764705882 time, whcih by then u would have quited i bet. thank u for reading and if u think im lieing well go ahead and think but its true, how i kill in a halo match is because i know the R.D.E and F.E of a wep and how fast a bullet or wep comes to dodge and then kill my emeny, ya i do that and it works too, i won agaianst 5 ppl that way so go and try to get a vissage but if u want to get one that bad hope u got about 70 months on your hand(depends on your killing rate,K.E). thx and if u are gonna make fun of my edit then just say one thing to your self, HOW DID I COME UP WITH THIS, I DIDN'T I USED MATH AND COMPUTER HARDDRIVES TO CONFIGRE THIS OUT SO TAKE THAT NON-BELIVERS!thank u and have a good day/afternoon/or night.

There is no fail or pass rate :/ its all about the drop coming or not :D

wtf are you talking about? there are plenty of players who've gotten more than one d visage and i highly doubt there were 117647058823529411764705882 black dragons in between. as you said that would take a LOOOOOOOOONNNNNG time. maybe your missing this... it's not like a roulete wheel, and it's definatly not a predetermined number of kills. ( i also have a hard time believing you play halo thinking "he fired 17 bullets that will take 0.172 seconds to hit so in the time it takes me to think this it will be to late and i will be hit..." ) it works like a digital slot machine. it is 100% RANDOM. don't throw a proposterous statement that can be easily rebuffed and say it's correct just because you're good at halo. i have gotten 2 visages myself, and i can garuntee you without the slightest doubt that there weren't 117647058823529411764705882 dragons in between. hell, even if im off by 100000000000000000 (a rediculously large number in of itself) i'd still be nowhere near your number.

don't be fooled by this kids 'magic maths' if u were to calculate this for a slot machine it would vary from person to person because of their personal experiances NOT WHAT WILL HAPPEN. these types of equations are misleading as they may give an answer that seems appropriate. or they'll give you an answer like what this kid got... as angel fox said, the only for sure ratio is that if you don't kill the things that drop d visages, you won't ever get one.

Cb lvl of
It is actually based off defence, metal dragons have best chances

I no lifed at the drags for 3 years... never got a visage, best i got was dragon plate legs, i got 7 :)

guys kill king black dragons i got 6 visages from themn and now i'm one of the riches player in rs and i got scroll and got third age and got shield peace!!!!!! more chances for king black dragons peace out

I just got a d pl8 skirt on my first ever kill of iron drags =] no as good as visage...but still good =]

suprising as hell
I got a visage on my 53rd steel dragon i also killed an extra 293 iron dragons but the funny thing was that i had just been watching videos on youtube on how to kill them faster so i went out and bought a cannon. i blew maybe 800 cballs and got it ^_^ i had killed them before so in total i killed maybe 1k irons 500 steels. ^_^ its all random gl i guess

i got 3 visages in 12 months!!!! i brought a cannon and got 1 in half an hour! next i got in kbd a few months later then a iron dragon accident it kept attacking and im like F##k off!! then i killed it and vwallah vissy right there.

It's all Good
Killed over 350 irons and maybe 20 steels, All I get is dragon skirt Lol with ring of wealth, anyways

good luck all.

Lol, Cannons Dont Work Down There Nice Try

Cannons do work in Brimhaven Dungeon.

not bad.
I bring about 6 antifire pots to metal drags, each dose is about ~3 iron kills for me or 1-2 steel drags (but I never really kill them) so, If I do the math, 3x4 = 7 Kills with 1 bottle, now 7x6 = 42 dragons each trips wich isn't bad at all knowing that I make about 3-4 trips a day, so, about 126 kills each day.

Here is a good way to pass time: Put your sound effect volume settings to high, stay away from the dragon and drink antifire, now multi task, what I mean is go on another site read something and stuff When you hear *tick tock tick tock tick tock* it means the antifire potion is about to run out, drink another dose and keep multi-tasking, When you hear A big dieing noise it means the dragon you were attacking is now dead. pick up the loots and keep on doing so, but be carefull not to be too close to the dragon as it can kill you with melee. I do this all the time.

I'm slaying iron dragons as I type now ^_^

Hope this helps! It isn't that slow as it sounds!

Lucky
I got a visage on my first ever wyvern task (15000000th kill) killed 2 Irons, 2 Steels 2 miths and another 2 Wyverns since.. Best drop dragon bones.

I can almost gurantee there is no 100% known drop rate. all pure random.

arn't dragon bones 100% known drop rate?

well.. i have killed like 400 and got 2 d skirt and 1 d legs drop from iron/steels. first d skirt in 100 kills then 200 kills without anything good then d skirt and d legs same trip. i got ring of wealth. now i am still killing iron/Steels i am on 500 kills now but not good drops yet. my friend did kill 400 and got 4 d skirt and 2 d sexy legs

Another explanation of how the drops work.
Ok, here is another way of explaining it.

If there is roughly a 1/10,000 chance of a visage dropping, that means when you kill a dragon runescape will do a random roll between 1 and 10,000.

Say for the sake of the argument, you get a visage if runescape rolls a 1. The first kill runescape rolls "8,549", you don't get the visage. However the next time you kill a dragon the number "8,549" isn't excluded from the roll, meaning runescape can roll the exact same again. Due to this, although the drop rate is 0.01% it is possible to kill 999,999,999,999 dragons and still not get the visage, although it would be extremely unlikely, but still possible.

I'm not saying this is exactly how Runescape works, I'm just making an example showing why you aren't guaranteed to ever get a visage.

Another thing to note is: Although the drop chance will always be 0.01%, if you look at it in terms of, "I'm going to kill 1000 dragons, which means I have 1000 chances to hit that 0.01% chance"

Basically - don't get disheartened by statistics, the more dragons you kill the more chance you have of getting a visage, it's just not guaranteed.

Hope this helped :)

lol...this guide really helped me...

u knw keep going to slay some drags....(still havnt got visage :(.

LOL I have gotten 2 visages both from Frost dragons EAT IT KIDS

ive killed a ton. i will probally never get one. does it have to be your slayer assignment?

There is no such thing as a visage
Your all being payed by Jagex to say you have recieved a draconic visage. Dragons do not drop them, your all dilusional.

God of Woo -

I have gotten about 50 dragon plateskirts in the brim dungeon, so that shield really doesn't make much of a difference. I agree that you should not focus on getting the shield, just let it happen. =)

Another way to look at the statistics
If you flip an unbaised coin a million times, and by some incredible fluke it lands on heads every time, the chances of it landing on heads the nest time is 1/2 or 50% as it has been every flip before. If you kill 10000 dragons, the chances of you getting a visage is still 1/10000.
 * Statistic variation? --CXgamer 21:19, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

the 10/5/10 editor war
please stop with erasing comments as this is a talk page. all things added to this page should stay unlees the page is being archived.-- 04:05, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Visage is a waste of time
title says it all to be honest

ive spent alot of cash killing dragons

i must of killed 500 of every one

no visage..

I just got a visage on my first kill! W000t

Game ticks for drops?
has anyone every thought that drops that are rare are based on "Game Ticks" if its a 1/512 like a whip, maybe you have to be lucky enough to kill the abby on that exact second, was just wondering if anyone had thought of that, or it had been proven wrong,Tlgolden 17:17, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is one of the factors how old games' RNGs (random number generator) work. Though your theory might be valid, there is pretty much inpractical to test. And even if one knows this rate, one firstly needs to figure out the phase of the game ticks, which would require one of those drops already. And then one needs to count every game tick (external programs aren't allowed) and have enough skill to kill the monster on a certain tick (hoping he'd not hit 0). It's not testable, but possible. :P --CXgamer 21:18, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it is not related to game ticks. The Drops page says "In very rare occasion, when right clicked the exact same moment as the monster dies, a screen may appear with the 100% drop only(and arrows if ranged is used) and not with the other drops. Then if right clicked on the same spot again, the drops are present. This shows that RuneScape first lets the monster drop its 100% drop, and then quickly calculates the other drops and then they appear too." This means the drops are calculated, and not related to game ticks. To see this happen yourself, a laggy world helps. But anyway, it is not likely it is based on ticks, and it's probably with something else. 11:46, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

I have tried so hard for a vissy

Drop Rate
http://i1003.photobucket.com/albums/af155/godsey123/2visagesinadvenlog.jpg Heres my adven log as you will see 2 draconic visages both from frost dragons within a week that i got 85 dungeoneering so i could do frost dragons :) unfortunately the 2nd one i got is crashing something horrible atm and i cant sell --- Username: Drewt 5.. Gf rs

Does any1 notice that this guy got 280,000,000 xp for constitution. Thats too high. this is fake
 * That would be 28,000,000 xp. 02:00, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Randomness and rareness
I scrolled through this page, and i saw quite some comments about the fact it is random, so there is no drop rate. This is not true. Randomness still has a drop rate. I'll take this example:

If you let something choose between 0 and 1, and it is completely random, the chance to get 1 is still 50%. Or if you roll a die the chance is still 16.6% to throw 6, although we all agree this is completely random

So, although the drop is randomly calculated, there is still a percentage for the chance to get it. 11:53, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Pro visage hunter
I have been played runescape since early classic times. Im very high leveled and quite famous, still i do not decide to publish my name. My friends might recognize me from my goal. To the point, i have had a goal to get a visage from every possible monster that drops it. I logged every kill. Here is what i got as results so far:

Iron Dragon - Took me 7022 kills

Steel Dragon - 2089 kills

Black Dragon - 7853 kills

Mithril Dragon - 1870 kills

Skeletal Wyvern - 55 kills (got 2 visages in one day, the black dragon one and this one)

King Black Dragon - 2003 kills

Frost Dragon - 9079 kills

It is extremely rare as you can see above, but not impossible. kill enough of same monster and you will get one im absolutely sure.
 * You forgot frost dragons. 02:29, January 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not forget frost dragons, just didn't get into them yet as my KBD was still in progress :P, anyways updated the list to final.
 * I did not forget frost dragons, just didn't get into them yet as my KBD was still in progress :P, anyways updated the list to final.

drop rate
okay... this is basicly how it works, it has a wheel that it spins, and whatever it lands on you get. and the "rate" is the portion of it on the wheel, so therieticly(spelled wrong) you can not get one ever, but also get one for every kill.

drop rate
Try this forum for some recent number on drop rates

services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?17,18,897,61885044

Data as of 7 April 2011

Drop_Rate_Analysis

All Dragons: 555565 kills and 78 Visages reported. Drop Rate : 1/7120 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 4670 and 1/14980

Iron Dragons: 115733 kills and 13 Visages reported. Drop Rate : 1/8900 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 5181 and 1/31540

Steel Dragons: 81917 kills and 12 Visages reported. Drop Rate : 1/6830 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 4095 and 1/20620

Black Dragons: 130899 kills and 15 Visages reported. Drop Rate : 1/8730 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 6400 and 1/13730

Mithril Dragons: 25943 kills and 5 Visages reported. Drop Rate : 1/5190 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 3886 and 1/7810

Skeletal Wyverns: 32610 kills and 5 Visages reported. Drop Rate : 1/6520 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 4519 and 1/11700

King Black Dragons: 16090 kills and 3 Visages reported. Drop Rate : 1/5360 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 3768 and 1/9280

Frost Dragons: 152261 kills and 25 Visages reported. Drop Rate : 1/6090 with 95% Confidence Interval of 1/ 3598 and 1/19820

82.145.208.118 17:00, April 7, 2011 (UTC) Cornelijus