Talk:Shattered Heart/Archive 3

Findings - discuss
The wording in the article implies that you have to smelt ore AND smith bars into something - is that actually correct? Can I not just smith iron ore until I get both?

Also someone added that you cannot get rocks when mining granite with varrock armour - this is not true - I have each time.


 * For the Smith rock, you can do either method. I got mine by making Gold Bars. -- 12:02, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

It seems that if one rock takes you very long the next pair is very quick. i've experenced this severeal times. Like when fletching gives me the 2nd rock after about 2000 bows i get the agility rocks both under 10 laps and if i start with agility then fletch will take less long and agility longer. --J king22 20:02, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Just to double check..
Getting all 30 rocks in 1 day was pretty tough, is this article saying I have to repeat that, every week for 2 thirds of a year to finish this? every week, train those 15 stats for a bit until both rocks, then wait for next week? Also, is it possible to get more than 2 rocks per week, like get 2 rocks for fletching, and some more for next week, and hold on to them?
 * After you build the statue you can get all the rocks and rebuild it again except for the last two rocks. You will be unable to add the final two rocks until a week has passed. But keep in mind there is no final ultimate reward so no real compelling reason to build it.--Degenret01 03:13, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well your own statue is the "final ultimate reward" . but if you have more than 1 study, maybe you can have more than one statue. Rich Farmbrough, 21:33 9 April 2010 (GMT).

Words and Pictures
People, please do not remove the words from the skill list. I am certain that I am not alone in not associating the pictures with the skill and need the actual skill name to focus on. If you think it looks neater without the words I agree, but we can not skip offering the best/most information to our readers just because it isn't "neat" enough.--Degenret01 03:12, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Confirm strange rocks from mining stars
I do 1 or 2 stars a day and have yet to get the rock piece while doing so. I jump to addy/gold mining and get both pieces in under two inventories, which is about 1/5th to 1/20th the amount of time I am mining stars. Can anyone confirm that stars give the rocks?--Degenret01 03:46, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

construction rocks
Has anyone gotten a rock just by standing in their house?--Agamemnus 03:47, April 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, someone already answered.. but you get them from flatpacks too, no?--Agamemnus 03:52, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, flat-packs are just to not waste time. You can hi-alch, flat-pack, make cakes, tele-tabs, use your altar, anything as long as
 * You are not in build mode (items can;t be dropped in build mode)
 * You can see, or at least regularly check, the entrance.


 * Warning; don't stand where you arrive or you will hide the rock!


 * Rich Farmbrough, 22:08 9 April 2010 (GMT).

Jefurre's findings.
What I've found:

I am mid to high level in all skills, so some of this won't be accessable to some people, but I have found the following methods to be the best. I am currently finished my 7th statue as of the 18th of April 2010. I just have to wait to be able to add the last 2 rocks.

Agility - Ape atoll... slow, but not as slow as most.

Cooking - You can just buy a heap of shrims off ge and cook them without loss. It seems to work and there doesn't seems to be a difference in what you cook. It seems to go on how many times you cook something.

Construction - Sitting seems to make it take time. I've found it is best if you do something, like actually use the features of your house. I've taken to making cakes and tea for fun. It has made both rocks apear in 20 mins where before I was waiting around an hour.

Crafting - Tried crafting gold, no speed increase. Been making coifs and then taking them around to the general stores with the unfinised willow longbows I've made and selling the coifs in lots of 50 for 80 coins each (20 more then what you'd be lucky to get on ge)

Farming - I've planted marigolds throughout and planted tomatoes. Last 3 times I have gotten both rocks within 4 allotment patchs. The maximum I've experienced was 12 patches worth for both rocks (1 and a half harvests). Cheap and fast.

Fletching - Fletch up a few hundred willow longs and sell them at general stores with coifs in lots of 50 for 64 coins each (twice what you'd be lucky to get on ge).

Fishing - OMG! You HAVE to try big net fishing. I've done it at the fishing guild 4 times and each time it has been within 20 fish!!! Last time was 1 rock, 8 fish, second rock! Try it and let me know if it rocks for you!

Is it just me, or are the statues taking longer to break apart?

Is it just me, or is it taking longer and longer to get the rocks?

Firemaking - Been frying off willow logs, cheap and doesn't take too long.

Herblore - I use kingdom for this. Get my weeks worth of herbs and turn them into potions. Usually get it done with that. If it fails, I make attack potions. Cheap.

Hunter - Falconry. 500 coins for endless hunting and you can take 26 furs with you when you are done and have them made into their respective clothing to re-coup your losses. Dark kebbits turned into gloves of silence are the best profit.

Mining - OMG!!! You have got to try Keldagrim Void Mine (also known as Dondakan's mine and the Arzinian mine. ALWAYS within 1 load 6 times!!! Once in 2 loads.) Please try it and let us know if it rocks for you!

Smithing - Smelting iron seems to be fastest. Lots of iron bars? Make them into iron throwing knives!

Thieving - I don't think it makes a difference who you pickpocket. Used to pickpocket the man in Lumb. Now taken to the Master Farmer in Draynor for profit.

Woodcutting - 1 load of magic tree logs. Also doing vines rocks.

I look forward to hearing your results and hopefully confirming what I have found. I hope this helps you. Cheers.

Is it just me...
Or has there been a rebalancing? Agil, fishing both really quick compared with previous "grinds" (runs 1 and 3, 2 rocks in 10 fish). Rich Farmbrough, 06:08 11 May 2010 (GMT).


 * I think you were having good luck :P I managed to get myself 100k agility xp before I gave up and moved on to another skill because I couldn't get the rock! 09:28, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Market stalls
I've been thieving from baker's stalls in Ardougne. It looks like you can also get the thieving rocks from stalls.

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It would seem that "According to Jagex, after receiving the rock for a particular skill, the drop chance for the second will be reduced "by half"" may be invalid as of now. Everybody seems to be getting their second rock slower than they got the first as of May 14. Shanegon34 23:04, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, the way I see this is that every Xp event a 0 to n-1 "dice" (where n is probably about 100) is thrown for rock 1 (unless you have it) and a "dice" is thrown for rock 2 (unless you have it), and if it comes up 0 you get the appropriate rock (but you never get two rocks(?)). This means your chance of getting a rock would drop from just under 1 in 50 to about 1 in 100. Rich Farmbrough, 18:54 6 June 2010 (GMT).

Agility
We recommend the short courses for "fast rocks". If the chance of getting a rock is dependent on the number of Xp gaining events in the course this may not be correct. Rich Farmbrough, 18:55 6 June 2010 (GMT).

Catching imps/butterflies... also Thieves' Guild
Has anyone been able to obtain a strange rock by catching (netting or barehanding) imps or butterfies? I only tried for 10 minutes... then got bored :P

Also, I pickpocketed myself a bunch of Hanky points from the Thieves' Guild in Lumbridge, and did not manage to get a rock. I did spend quite some time there. Has anyone been able to get a strange rock here? I later went to the Master Farmer in Draynor, and got my rock, no problems at all. 09:27, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be surprised... at all... if Jagex forgot to add shattered heart to that new content. They always forget stuff like that. Like when the ge teleport came out, Jagex forgot to update the varrock house portal to go to the GE instead. And almost every new costume they com eout with they forget to set up the costume room to accept it. So it'd be no shock to me if they just forgot. 04:42, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Rocks rebalanced
Seems like they have rebalanced the rocks making them harder to get. FM, Cooking, and wc so far have been extremely hard to get.

the calc
well i tried some things ouy with that calculator, but on level 10, you get -10 experience, and on level 11, you get 10 exp, further more all levels from 1-11(i was bored so i did not try more levels) are weird answers, and i did not know that 1-2+100=80 and so on. maybe the calc needs to be removed or fixed or watever. 18:51, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

The wiki glitched, can someone please remove 2 of the 3 posts?

I deleted your posts lol. The calc is glitched indeed, the xp it shows is not the correct one (it says 9602 or something for 99). I can try fixing this but I can't promise anything lol Lathow 07:06, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I undeleted them per RuneScape:Don't delete discussions. Also, I made the calc so i'll look at it. 07:36, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * K, it's fixed (my fault completely >.>), I forgot to add the multiply symbol (*) sooooo, if you put "1" you get "21", "11" = 211", "43" = "243", just adds a "2" in front..... but it's fixed now!  07:54, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, you triple-posted... deleting is fine... (i didn't actually read...) 07:57, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Construction rocks changed?
Have they now made it from the last update that just being in your house no longer spawns construction rocks? I've been sitting in my house for 3 hours and not 1 rock has spawned. Do I now have to make flat packs, teletabs or build furniture? In the Runescape manual under distractions and diversions/shattered heart it now has "http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/Construction_-_The_Basics Construction ]: Constructing items in your POH that generates Construction XP (flatpacks, building furniture, etc)." If so, what is the best thing to make? Should I just build something? make teletabs? flatpacks? what is the best?


 * Making teletabs doesn't "generate Construction xp", so that's no good. I'm making 2-plank armchairs right now, as the flatpack that makes the most individual lumps of construction xp for an inventory; no idea if that's the best way. Hv 16:04, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Best Construction method now?
I'm about 20 full inventories of Rune Armour Stands in and nothing. I can only assume that the amendment to the Construction skill's Strange Rocks works per-build rather than per-plank (Just to annoy people who train on oak doors). Can anyone confirm what actually works at a reasonable speed?

10:33, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: Just got one on my 148th armour stand (296 oak planks, 15th inventory - felt like much longer :P). 10:40, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT EDIT: I reset my chances back to normal by getting other rocks inbetween, and got the second rock on the 51st armour stand. Either this won't be too bad or I was really lucky. 12:44, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Is FM with a Pyrelord "possible"?
I don't want to know if it's accepted or not. But is it physically possible to get a strange rock from using a pryelord. There doesn't seem to be anywhere that stats you can or cannot.

completed house statue(900 rocks)
The wording in the current article is ambiguous, but as there *are* players who have completed 30 statues as early as 7 days ago, can i get a confirmation from someone who has or a post in rsof from such a player or a jmod that shattered hearts can *only* be done 30 times?

ie. has anyone completed 31 statues?

since there is no gp reward and the only xp comes from the individual statue pairs i want to know ifi i can keep getting xp indefinitely for years to come or only 30 times ever. if im limited to 30 times ill stop building statues until i get 99 in all 15 skills and therefore get maxed xp per statue.

if it is unlimited of course i want to complete as many statues as possible regardless of less than ideal xp per statue.

and to respond to above i also feel like rocks in each skill seem to take longer each time i complete a statue

i do occasionally gret lucky and get rocks quicker than previous week but as a graph plot im noticing an upward trend.

66.65.249.197 00:22, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Edit: i did hop over to the forums and found this thread

Quick find code: 75-76-190-61720182

5th post seems to indicate you can complete 31+ times (he got more pieces after 30 at least)

66.65.249.197 00:46, September 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have my complete replica statue in my POH right now, 28 new stones of my 31st statue assembled in Varrock museum, and the remaining pair ready to add on in 3 days. Adding the 28 pieces did give the usual experience per pair; I have yet to discover whether there is any additional gift instead of replica pieces.
 * 16:40, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have now added the final pair to my 31st statue. It explodes as normal, you talk to Marius Giste as normal, he says the curse is still active as normal, then nothing else. No replica piece or any other reward. So essentially you can keep doing shattered heart for experience in all the skills but once you have completed the replica statue that's all you get.
 * 09:06, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Fishing Rock (Bug?)
I just got one from catching eels with a rod, which shouldn't work. Will try again next week, it seems to be pretty fast (second eel).

Rarity of second rock
According to the article, it's based on the game remembering which rock you got last, which I don't think makes sense. I believe that when Jagex referred to the "twice as rare" point, they were noting that, for each action, you're now rolling for one rock (the one you don't have), instead of two rocks, thus halving your effective chance to get it per action. Unless someone can cite this in Jagex writings, or otherwise provide concrete evidence, I'm going to re-write this to reflect programming logic uniform with the rest of the game. Aitamen 11:41, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Both rocks at once
Im not sure why but i just got both of my farming rocks at the same time from planting sweetcorn, and by the same time i mean i harested the pathch had 0/2 planted the seeds into the patch and had 2/2 i was surprised and relived cause that meant i could stop for now.216.130.81.238 14:35, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

~its late for me so i had forgetten why i was writing this, any my question is does this mean you can get both from a single action or would it be related to using 3 seeds for the planting process.216.130.81.238 14:41, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

i got 2 rocks from a single mining action today, so yes, it's possible. --Savemonkeys0 16:49, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

STOPPING IT?!?!
HOW DO I STOP IT? I finished it once and i don't want to do it anymore. The rocks are awfully annoying. I talked to everyone in the muesum but they didn't say anything about it..69.228.171.116 01:34, September 13, 2011 (UTC)Fan Craze

you talked to the archaeologist guys sitting at the tables? that's who can stop/start them for you. --Savemonkeys0 16:51, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Firemaking with Dwarven army axe?
Am curious to see if this counts as using a tinderbox, or not. Does anyone know if we can get Strange rocks while using the Dwarven army axe? Warp9pnt9 04:04, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Oct 2010 Monkfish nerf
So I think Jagex finally got around to nerfing rocks for monkfish. I used to get both rocks very quickly often getting both in 1 or 2 inventories. Now it seems that the chances are more in line with chances for all the other rocks. Can someone confirm this? I just want to make sure others noticed this change before I edit the article. Cheers, 06:37, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks that way to me too, third week in a row fishing over 500 monks without a single rock. 20:56, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Adding herbs to vials
Just writing to let people now, that I just got a rock adding ranarr to a vial of water to make an unfinished potion. I double checked my inv to make sure that it did happen. This seems to be new behavior so I added it to the list of ways to get rocks. Someone might want to check and see if there are new ways to make money doing this. Cheers, 17:13, February 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * PS - I got my 2nd rock the same way too, neat. 17:32, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Brimhaven Agility Arena
This page says that the chances of receiving a rock is once per ten tickets, but the Strange Rock article simply says you get a chance for each ticket, which implies you can get it every ticket. Any idea which one is accurate?

Also, Marrentill may be cheaper now compared to Guam for cleaning. Not sure why Guam skyrocketed so high. Nothing special here. (talk) 20:45, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Space needed in inventory?
The article says "Rocks can potentially replace the item that the player was acquiring with the skill activity. A message such as "Something odd happens to the (insert item name here) and you are left with a strange rock." will appear." However it seems to me that I only get rocks when I have either an empty space or the collection bag in my inventory. Is it possible that it was updated? It could be quite annoying to be working on some rare item and having it replaced with a rock. Bronzedagger (talk) 06:07, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've now seen it happen. Bronzedagger (talk) 03:07, December 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Best solution is to carry the bag. This reserves the space, and you neither loose an item nor miss a rock (which happens depends on the item, it seems). Rich Farmbrough, 00:09 2  March 2013 (UTC).