Talk:Scams/Archive 2

Privacy?
I sure hope we aren't using real usernames for our examples. I don't think it is very ethical? If we are.. I BELIEVE we should change them. I think the "usernames" should be User A, User B, etc. --PikachuMayhem 16:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Well I think we should use the real usernames for the impersonation section to show good examples and if the person that owns the account (we would have to need proof to show ownership) requests that the name should be taken of then we will. Sleepydragn1 21:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

P-hat glitch
Jagex didn't give the guy lifetime membership, they banned him permanently xD Total Rune 08:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You could argue that they did both :P 24.66.94.144 03:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Helped Prevent A Lower Level Member From Getting Scammed
I was picking flax (as usual) and I happened to walk into Seers bank and I seen someone say "Proboscis? Whats that?". So I added him to friends, explained what a proboscis is, how it has no current uses and is practically worthless. He told me "The guy got one of his buddies to PM me and say he was gonna buy it for 1.45mil". Turns out the scammer was trying to trade 1 Proboscis for the guys Dragon Medium Helm. With my help the player reported the scammer and kept his D-med. Then he said he was gonna low alch the D-med, (he said he paid 410k for it and with alching was gonna get all 410k back). I advised him not to alch but instead sell for 450k and make a 40k profit, which he did and thanked me afterwards. I feel good :) 10:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm just going to give you a thank you for helping a newb, so, "thank you." 02:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Thats all great and such but...what does that have to do with this article? Sleepydragn1 21:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

What it has to do with this article is that there was CHEATING involved P.S. Noob isn't polite even if it's spelled wrong

what do you mean this talk thing was over for ever. "Noob" is actually the misspelt version of "newb" - short for "newbie". So how is that insulting, being called a new player? I still don't get why that's a bad thing, or at least more insulting than being called a toddler in reality. 10:09, June 30, 2011 (UTC) TEH NECROMANCER OF DOOOM


 * It all comes down to intent and how it's interpreted. Noob is a common misspelling of newbie and assume the addressed player is not new the remark is either an insult or an incorrect assumption. I usually choose to interpret it as the latter. In the former case however it could be an insult by comparing the addressed player's skills to those of someone that has not yet learned how to play. 20:52, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal for adding a section "do's and don'ts to avoid getting scammed"
I propose adding a section to this article "do's and don'ts to avoid getting scammed" to help players from being victimized. The section will be long but it may be worthwhile. What is your stand? --Fatman4ever 05:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

There are some avoiding tips in every section, I'm pretty sure.Mukamokawar 01:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)Muka

Dark Wiki
Shouldn't there be a link to the Dark Wiki at the top of this article? Knightgod444
 * Yeah, there should be! 02:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Dark Wiki? From:Ovalusc: Noob in training

typing/saying Noob still isn't nice!

"rare items"
can somebody put monkey bones as one of the fake rare items in the rare items part part? A friend of mine used to sell monkey bones to low leveled free players for 3k each. In actuality, they are the same as normal bones.


 * They aren't the same as normal bones. Monkey bones give 0.5 more exp and that does make a little difference. Oh, and please sign your posts. Emosworld 09:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

0.5 exp more? Big Whoop!

they're also needed for monkey madness and by the time you get to that point of the quest getting a bow and arrow to hunt down a monkey is just a pain..Pantheist87 19:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Change of title
Should we change the name of Cheats and scams to Cheats and Scams? I don't want to change it without the approval. 09:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, I don't really care. 10:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

How is that even relevant?

...wow...

Please remove
#Dungeon death scam (also known as luring). It is redundant with "#Dangerous action scam (also known as luring)". --211.28.153.91 11:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Contacting Jagex
It says on this page that you can contact Jagex via customer support. I've been looking for the page on the main site, but can't find it. When I went to the customer support page, all it was was Q/A's on different topics (the "contact us" page also only contained unhelpful questions). Can someone tell me how to contact them via customer support, and post a link to it? --211.28.153.91 11:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The only way to contact them is your mentioned "unhelpful questions". Simply use the "Other" question, you can quickly access this by clicking on "Comment on our service" link. And it's better to be a member to get a reply. --78.56.93.44 15:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

In addition to Item Scamming
Since you can no longer remove items without the large Exclamation Points coming up, there's a new scam. The person offers an amazing price for an item he has, or visa versa. Then, they accept to the second screen. Next, the player pretends to lag and decline the trade. When they trade you back, they add a similar looking item, and hope you accept fast enough with your original offer, and you get junk.

example:

Scammer: Selling obsidian cape 100k

Sending trade offer...


 * you put up 100k
 * scammer puts up Obsidian Cape
 * scammer accepts, then declines some time after

Other player has declined the trade.

Scammer: Sorry, I lagged.

You: No problem, trade again.

Sending trade offer...


 * you put up 100k again
 * scammer puts up black cape
 * you accept twice quickly, so nobody else will get this amazing deal, because you almost lost it once.

He ends up with your money, and you end up with a worthless cape.

Simiswimm 15:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a good idea, but have you seen it used before? You probably only add it if you did. This page is for avoiding item scamming, not to give scammers good ideas. 15:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

This is already on the main page

Is selling something more then its worth a scam?
Because I sold a strengh potion for 5k, when it was worth 1k, is this a scam? I belive its not as the buyer should know the price something will go for before they buy it, and I didnt know how much its worth. But since str potions are VERY VERY useful if Free worlds. it can go for more then in mem worlds.
 * No, it is never scamming something for selling it for a lot, unless you say something like "selling super rare raw chicken 100m", which is scamming by deceiving another to think it's rare, when it wouldn't be. 02:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * This is not a scam and is not always by choice of the seller. If someone says they are buying a law rune for 5k, I'm gonna sell them one. Its human nature to maximize profits.
 * 0087adam 04:45, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

fun fight scam
is this really a scam? i fail to see how it is one. Isn't it the same as asking for a duel in wildy? you both get skulled, one dies other one wins, gets what you drop, doesn't matter if they do kill you with ice barrage, this is just a duel surely? (wildy duels are for real of course so you expect to lose items if you die)

Armour upgrading and Player impersonation scam
"Armour trimming and "upgrading"" needs some editing as it actually is possible to upgrade any Dragonhide Vambraces to Spiky Vambraces on a Members world. And in many places, the new Assist system is not mentioned, like " Player impersonation scam" - it makes it obsolete now. --78.56.93.44 15:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

whip in wilderness scam
a player says that he is making a movie and want you to play in it you have to die with your whip in the movie, he will pay you with 600k... then he will start kiling you en when you have 10 hp you will see 4 noted dragon battle axes lying on the grond you pick them up and he will kill you now you will lose your whip because the shop price of a b-axe is higher then the shop price of a whip user:Tdrone
 * Um...that's too complicated to be on the actual page...also, WHAT do you mean by "it ARE 4 b-axes"?

is it better and more clear this way?

What he means is the following:

User A asks you to be in his pk movie. He says he will pay. when in the wildy he will trade User B 4 dragon battle axes. Because the High Alch Value of DBA is higher then then the abbysal whip's high alch value, the user will drop the whip instead of the DBA's on death.

Tribesman Lure
This lure is usually performed on new members with a low to medium combat rating. A lurer, Player A will ask Player B to help him obtain a 'quest item' or similar, by attacking the tribesman, resulting in Player B becoming poisoned and usually dying due to a lack of a anti-poison potion or super anti-poison, food or method of teleportation. Home teleport, will not work, as the poison affect interrupts it.

This lure doesn't happen that often, but one thats certainly worth being aware of. Giant torti 00:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Home teleport did work the last time I tried (the delay between 2 poison effects is just long enough to allow casting the spell). Anyway, with the Dec 10 updates, I think this scam is over. 10:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

New Scam I have seen in the streets a new scam in the gran exchange it goes like this "will open any armour sets" please add this Yushaw13 00:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Team Scamming
I almost got scammed by this once. One person says he/she will sell you something for some price (that it isn't), and some other person PM's you saying he/she will buy that item for even more than you're buying it for.

Ex., Bob wants to sell me a turtle shell for 2m. Sally PM's me saying she will buy a turtle shell for 5m and a whip. So I'm thinking, thats a great deal! After I buy it, I find out that she didn't really want to buy it.

I just told the person that PMed me wanting to buy it no, but ex. Bob is selling it for 2m. I think you should add this? :) Flashwarior 01:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's already in the article ;) (see Arbitrage scam) 10:03, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I once saw one of those scams, was something like this: Player 1: Awesome Whip and Mask! Player A: Thx Player 1: I wanna buy them Player A: Offer Player 1: Umm.. zerker ring Player 2: Buying zerker ring 40M! Player A: Ok

Then what happens is this: player A buys the zerker ring for a h'ween mask and whip. then he goes over to player 2 and trades to sell the zerker ring. but then he finds out it's a scam. in f2p worlds, they would do these scams with member's items such as polished buttons or charcoal. Once i had charcoal and this guy realy believed that it was worth 30K or something. SO i bought his 27K b sale and sold more charcoal.. =) noobs

NOOBS IS STILL IMPOLITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

90 Blackmarks?
What's the point of putting 90 blackmarks on bots' and macroers' accounts if you only need to be blackmarked 10 times to be permanently banned? 04:40, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I dunno. Harder to appeal I guess? -- 11:39, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What, so if you get 4 blackmarks, all for the same crime, you have to appeal every one of them anyways? 15:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I don't make the rules. -- 09:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe they want to prove their point.99.237.222.73 18:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Neutral Point Of View (NPOV)
I just made this page into an npov page because of the recent arguments and baffling. One side wants it deleted, another wants the title to be changed. It's just so annoying!!! 14:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Abyssal Whip Scam Still Effective?
I had an abyssal whip and some guy told me to enter the wilderness with just the whip. He got me down to 5 hp then traded me about 4 dbaxes and a reward for "helping" him. He then proceded to kill me and when i respawned i had 3 dbaxes but no whip. Could this happen in bounty hunter and could it still happen even with all of the new updates? Should you add something about this? Just like the guy above me said but you should add this!
 * It can't happen in Bounty Hunter, since you can only bring one weapon into the arena, and there's nowhere else where you can get a dead person's drops. -- 18:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

No this can't happen anymore, drummer is right, but I did know two people who did this in a team, they happen two be my two best rs friends from over 4 yrs of play, unfortunately one quit, and the other one is black marked to the eyeballs, (mostly swearing) (other offence was web advertising, he said a site name, he has never been caught for scamming or luring suprisingly) anyway, they both used to take 4 dbaxe's to the green dragon's and offer them to some noob or other, who would accept and die dropping his whip and i think one dbaxe (it depended what they were wearing) anyways they got 16 whips using this method, but then people got clued up and it kinda dropped off, one of the dbaxe's used belonged to me come to think of it. Just thought I would add this little anecdote, ps I did not profit from this, I just got my dbax'e back, I didn't want anything although I was offered a cut. 10:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Gnomeball Lure
A very odd scam I heard of. Player A, skulled, walks into the wilderness with a party hat. He has Protect Item on. Player B throws a Gnomeball at Player A, which ends up in his inventory, and then kills him. Because a Gnomeball is worth more in the store, it will be kept instead of the party hat.


 * This would only be a scam is player B tells Player A to go into wildy and say like "dont worry, your have protect item ect." maybe with false promise of fliming, but then throwes a gnome ball at him and kills him

YOU CAN KILL PEOPLE IN THE WILDERNESS???!!!!

This entire article is pretty much pointless, almost all the scams listed on the page have been impossible for the greater part of a year.

if anyone can edit pages......add this type of scam into it.....a person tells u to buy like 40 drag stones from ge then tells u to go to the obby place he tells u to sell the d stones to the gem store says u'll make profit.....while in reality al u get is bs from seeling it and then u see that the gems arent in the store and see that he bought em for a cheap price which then he sells back to ge

Complete overhaul/deletion
This entire article is pointless, and has been for well over a year. Can we please delete it? Axazar 11:00, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe it exists for historical purposes. Also, some things can still be done, such as password scams and PVP luring. Some things have been rendered obsolete due to the trade and wilderness updates, but again, these are still here for historical purposes. 11:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I suggest that all of the no longer possible scams be moved to a new article, and this one be devoted to one that still matter --Template:Signatures/ma44040 23:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree - archive old scams so players can actually see what may be a problem for them! --Goodison Goomba 19:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I say keep em all. never know when a 'new' scam will come along that is just a variation of something old. `Pantheist87

Keep them, but the article does need a bit of a cleanup, I'll admit. The1AndOnlyMike 21:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Wondering where to go from here
I'm trying to figure out what to do at this point. I have other areas of the wiki that I would love to work on, but this article has come up as a VfD. I don't think it should be deleted, and I certainly don't want to step on any toes of those who are regular contributors to this page. There are some scams that currently exist within the game, and IMHO they should be described on an article of this nature.

Yes, a posting of this nature wouldn't be acceptable on the RSOF (but you might be surprised!) I have discussed some RWT methods in the interest of begging Jagex to close up some loopholes so they wouldn't exist any more. Certainly a much more tolerant tone has happened on the RSOF that would encourage at least letting players know about problems they should avoid.

It is from this perspective that I would like to overhaul this article. Much, much more can be said about this topic, and it certainly could be written in a better style. --Robert Horning 19:16, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion! I believe this article is very substantial to helping scammers. Scammers can simply come here for new ideas. It shouldn't be out in the open like this, especially with every single scam that is still working (To our knowledge)... 0xg0ldpk3rx0 04:55, June 9, 2010 (UTC)