Talk:Tears of Guthix

Great!
An excellently well written, simple and informative article, nice one!

Time limit
The article speculates that 1 second is given for each quest point, yet it also states that 229 quest points will equal 2 minutes, 29 seconds. As 229 seconds equals 3 minutes, 49 seconds, one of these has to be wrong. --Kiyomizu 18:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The starting time is higher, not sure exactly what it is, but definitely more than 1 sec. After a certain level it increases about 1 sec per QP; the next section mentions a level 30 in the lowest skill.  I currently have 229 QP and those approximate times are mine with a Slayer level 57 for my lowest skill (most of which are from Tears!!!).  Chrislee33 20:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not sure what the lowest skill level has to do with the time limit; the article says it only has an impact on the amount of experience per tear. Also, if the starting base time is about two minutes, plus a second per quest point, someone with 229 quest points should get a full five minutes, 49 seconds.  I don't doubt the facts that you've gathered, but I'm confused about the way they're presented. --Kiyomizu 21:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe the base time limit is 30-40 seconds instead of 2 minutes? Would be nice if other players can start adding their QPs and time so that we have more data to work with.    Forum:Tears of Guthix - What's your QP and time? -  Chrislee33 23:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I'm new but qp for qeust is 43 why is that not the base start time?-yyy279

Why was the checking your requirements deleted?
Just wondering, was there anything wrong with it? --Yuenho 02:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not really needed, the picture took up too much room. Ill make the picture smaller. [[Image:Purple party hat.PNG|16px]] Dreadnought talk 02:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually never mind...I Don't know..[[Image:Purple party hat.PNG|16px]] Dreadnought talk 02:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh? --Yuenho 04:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Messages recieved
Just though it might be useful if we keep a tally of every message, with the level we got it at... JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 16:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

A record, not a tally really:


 * You briefly experience the joy of the hunt. (Level 38, levelled up to 40)


 * You gain a deep understanding of... (levels high 50s-59 for 3 skills for past few months). will see what the message will be when i get 60 in the next few months or so. It was faster leveling before, of course, it's getting slower....  Chrislee33 21:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Some of the messages the article says you'll get don't make sense, for example, You gain a deep understanding of homesick. or You feel many strange creatures. Does the game really tell you such nonsensical things?--Atlantima 15:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't. The first part of the message is based on the skill as well... I'm getting "You briefly experience the joy of the hunt" in the mid-40s Hunter. Skill 09:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The formula for xp when skills are below level 30.
Has anyone figure out the xp formula when you have skills below level 30? It is something I like to know. Here's what I got when did it the first time (I'll add more as I do more and perhaps we can eventually get a formula):

Starting Level, starting xp, tear amount, xp from tears, xp per tear:

Level 1 Construction, 0 xp: 75 tears - 750 xp, 10 xp per tear

Level 7 Construction, 750 xp: 66 tears - 838xp, 12.6969...... xp per tear

Level 12 Construction, 1588 xp, 75 tears - 1185xp, 15.8 xp per tear

Level 16 Construction, 2773 xp, 75 tears - 1515xp, 20.2 xp per tear

Level 17 Farming, 3500 xp, 73 tears - 1671xp, 22.89 xp per tear

Level 19 Construction, 4288 xp, 102 tears - 2631xp, 25.79 xp per tear

Level 21 Farming, 5171 xp, 92 tears - 2677 xp, 29.1 xp per tear

Level 23 Construction, 6919 xp, 77 tears - 2742 xp, 35.61 xp per tear

Level 25 Farming, 7864 xp, 101 tears - 3950 xp, 39.11 xp per tear

Level 26 Construction, 9661 xp, 80 tears - 3656 xp, 45.7 xp per tear, 180 qp

Level 28 Farming, 11814 xp, 75 tears - 4027 xp, 53.69 xp per tear, 181 qp

Level 29 Construction, 13317 xp, 64 tears - 3795 xp, 59.3 xp per tear, 182 qp, ~1:56

Level 32 Construction, 183 qp, ~1:58

Level 35 Farming, 184 qp, ~2:00

Level 37 Farming, 185 qp, ~2:01

Level 37 Construction, 187 qp, ~1:53 (Note: This time, I'm starting from the time you can move freely around than when Juna lets you in.)

By the way, keep on getting data - once there's more I'll make an attempt at figuring it out. Skill 08:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you also add your total quest points and how much time you have doing the minigame? The maximum time seems to be about 2 1/2 minutes for a player who has done all the quests (246 QPs). thanks Chrislee33 08:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll add times later I suppose, but for now...no. I'll list my quest points though.
 * I have made a graph from your information provided. Let's see if the game calculations match this. This is the graph of experience of tears versus skill level.Xdragonaite 13:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)



Okay. I think I have the formula for the XP now. The key information was the big jump in xp per tear going from 25 to 26 compared to 23 to 25. It shows that the XP per tear is based on your current XP and not the current level. Also, within Runescape, the actual XP is recorded as tenths (but it only shows the whole numbers in the game status screens). So, for example, when getting 838 xp, it could actually be 838.2 xp you get.

My formula matches all the above recorded figures examples, except for the Level 19 Construction one, which it would match correctly if the number of tears was 102 and not 103 (otherwise it's out by 25.8 xp). I'll update the article with the formula. 13:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was originally 102, but I thought I had 103 that time, so I guess 102 is correct. I'll adjust that observation to the original, sorry about that.  (BTW, I finally decided to register). Silverwarp 08:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)



Okay, I'll update each time with the time I got roughly, though I don't have any kind of reliable way to measure time other than my stopwatch, so I'll have to guess roughly what it is. Also, I'm include the time from when Juna lets you in to the time you can start moving. I'm not sure whether or not that time is included in deducted off your time. I got about 7 seconds on that btw if you want to deduct it. I'll create a new section in the talk once I get enough observations. Silverwarp 07:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. With a reasonable sample size we can take out the errors in measurement. 07:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's too difficult me to get accurate time. I think I'll stop for now.  Maybe someone else can pick it up. Silverwarp 09:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

When stats have equil exp??
I'm currently f2p, but i'm planning to be mem in 2-3 months and one of the first things i'm doing is getting Fist of guthix quest done, and i'm wondering what will happen when i play the minigame because most of my mem stats would have 0xp. Would i get to pick the stat it goes to or is it picked randomly or is it picked based on a specific order? Mathwiz908 01:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what will happen, it will be interesting to find out and to add to the article, keep us updated on it Reddo 03:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Challenge the trivia...
I would like to point out that your line in the trivia is incorrect.

"The maximum number of tears collected is reported to be around 130."

My account is Nitros629 and today I got 145 Tears, which leaves your statement incorrect.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/Najin-Nitros/145Tears2.jpg

Nitros629 23:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

And another challenge...
My account is Eliza Dane. This week I collected 171 tears. My previous record: 145 (may 12, 2008) Before that: 143 (apr 13, 2008)

The 'strategy' I use: never move unless you are collecting from a green wall. Although this occasionally results in a bad score my average is very close to the 130 that was reported as maximum here.

I have taken the liberty to update the page, because it was incorrect.

Eliza Dane 17:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Where is proof of this? Nitros629 21:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)