Talk:200 million experience

Why is there a stat template to the right of this article?

some kid was vandalising it, he posted a topic on therunescape board on gamefaqs.com —Extractor69 (talk • contribs) forgot to sign this comment.

zezima got 200M thieving in 02-June-2007.. Enjoy--74.102.48.62 00:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing it's the number of people with 200 million experience in each stat. --Wowbagger421 03:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

GAAAH! Stop editing it at the same time I am. And I updated some stuff.Mathwhiz90601 03:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Under the Trivia section, the statement that 200m xp would put you to 126, what formula is that based on? --Taneer 05:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC) 1:30AM Aug/11/'09

Cooking
I'm pretty sure that that first person to reach 200 mill cooking xp was something about eve i just checked and there is an account called Eve340 with 200 mill cooking so i'll put them into the cooking spot for now

I also checked the blog of n0valyfe and it says on may 13 2006 matt258 became the 2nd person to max cooking so now i'm sure that it was eve340 now only question is when

Possible dates
Redekopmark 04:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Empror1 had 200M firemaking on june 9th 2006 but i'm not sure it might have been earlier
 * Eve340 had 200M cooking before feb 20 2006
 * Herbaman had 200M thieving on Nov. 30 2006 but he might had achieved this before that

Upcoming people to watch

 * Matt258, zezima, Uloveme and yogosun are all going for their 3rd skill
 * amarajah is going for crafting
 * Pow012000 is going for farming,(he expects to get in 09)
 * 777knight777 is going for fishing
 * Lover Romeo will have 200 mill Agility xp (that's insane)

There may be others going for 200m in a skill that nobody had maxed out yet but these are the ones that i was able to find proof ofRedekopmark 06:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Zezima is now also going for 200M in firemaking(which I think before fletching), will be his 3rd and fletching his 4th. --74.102.48.62 20:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Zezima is now also going for 200M in fletching, his 3rd. 14:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Momeydragon got 200mil hunter now 10:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Listing people with 200 million experience
We don't want to just reiterate the hiscores--if people want to know who's currently maxed out, just look at the hiscores. This just makes it hard to maintain and kind of irrelevant. Instead, we want to record historical milestones only. See Talk:Level 99 skills for a more detailed justification of this. Because of this, I am deleting the recently added list of 200 mil xp-ers.

1 000 000 000 experience for zezima
Maybe we should note that zezima got 1 billion total experience in the scoreboard? Maybe we shouldn't since there are other players who have double that amount of experience. --R Y N O Of L 23:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Fallacy
The top part of this page claims something about 200m exp in a skill taking multiple years, but in Hunter you can easily get 1.2m a day (10 hour day) and I intend to complete 200m Hunter exp in 200 days. Reiki.h 67.169.124.158 23:48, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * True. However the majority of players don't play the kind of hours Momeydragon does. --Whiplash 01:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That doesn't change the fact that it is still easily possible to get 200M exp in various skills in less than a year. Thieving is 200k an hour.  Ranged is 200k+ an hour, Herblore can get 7m exp a day.  (It's just expensive).  Firemaking, so on, so on.  I think my point is, just because someone chooses (or is forced by the government :b, for those of you who go to school) not to spend their time on Runescape doesn't mean that it's impossible to.  67.169.124.158

200mill +
rummor has it that the players can actuallyy get more than 200mill it just doesnt show on the highscores. is this true?
 * No, but you can continue doing the skill past 200m exp. It just doesn't give any experience. Skill 21:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Quest Points
Can anybody have 200M xp in qp?! WTF

haha very funny, I see your point, i tried getting rid of it but somebody deleted my new template right away Redekopmark 04:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Your revision wasn't deleted, however, in order to get rid of it, you would need to change the template itself, and not just removing the "quest" and "combat" tags. 04:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

yeah this was like last week, that i was trying it out, i made a new template without the qp or combat box and it was deleted like 30 seconds later, then today i thought that it might be worth a try to just delete the tags in the infobox but as you already said that doesn't work Redekopmark 04:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there some sort of dialogue that shows up when you gain 200 Million Experience, and, also, is there any dialogue when you continue doing that skill, once you have achieved 200 Million Exp?

Latter ranked higher?
I do have proof that Ladytroll, currently ranked 2 on the Highscores was #1 in ranged. The screenshot has her at 200M experience. Unless Enrix was banned at some point, the information that the latter is ranked higher is false.

Bowler225 19:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I edited that sentence to make it a bit clearer Reddo 01:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Players' names
The style guide says we should not use players' names in articles, this article lists several. Would anyone like to put a case for keeping them? Otherwise I think they should be deleted from the article. Perhaps we can provide a link to the high-scores for reference instead. Leevclarke 22:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we should keep them in, it's pretty much the same as the list of who got to 99 first on the level 99 page. Reddo 04:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with the above, these articles are sort of an exception. While we're listing the player we're not exactly violating their privacy by saying "omg is cool and here is where they've been sighted and this is what they're doing!" Crypto416 05:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * why do people keep removing the names? Reddo 05:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding players names in articles, the only rule I have found is no articles about players. I didn't see anything else saying they can not be named in articles. Summoning mentions who hit 99 1st, and it does no harm. If we restrict it only to the top player for each item, it would still be small and neat and no one really should have a problem with that.--Degenret01 05:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My bad, heres the link to no names ownership and bias --Degenret01 08:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a special article, and player names should be left in. Sometimes, it's hard to avoid the fact that people play RuneScape. --Joel amos 01:56, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Easiest skills to 200m xp???
Which skills do you guys think are the top 10 easiest to 200m xp? Top 10: 1. Cooking 2. Fletching 3. Thieving 4. Firemaking 5. 6.  7.  8.  9.  10.    I'm just curious to which skills would be the easiest to 200m xp, I am pretty sure everyone can agree with the top 4, but as to the next 6, I'd say its Crafting, Range, Hunter, Herblore, Smithing, and then Agility. Let me know what you think. I'd say

1.cooking 2.firemaking 3.fletching 4.hunter 5.thieving 6.crafting 7.construction (if you have cash) 8.smithing 9.attack 10.range or strength

I partly agree with that list though 200m firemaking xp would be a complete bore even with magic logs same with fletch. -- 20:49, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

High score link
Why does the link to the high score show Yogosun's stats?It seems unfair don't you think? Instead, the link should be replaced by the actual high score main page. 23:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The link is supposed to go to Yogosun's stats, it says "Yogosun got 200 million experience in 3 skills" [[File:Rollbackcrown.PNG‎]] Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 00:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

mining agility 200m
lover romeo is 800 exp from 200m exp in mining and a bit more in agility and today its 2-11-09 so i cant check every day and if we are going to have an accurate date then we need someone checking every day. --User:Axx1000

Checked Lover Romeo's High Score on Feb 13th and he was about 40k away from 200mil agility, 800 away from 200mil mining. Upon checking on February 14th, at 4pm eastern time, he had both of them at 200mil. I'm not certain of what time today he maxed them out, but he definitely did so on Valentine's Day. Congratulations to Lover Romeo on completing such an achievement; it takes a lot of dedication and thousands of hours to do it.


 * I am not sure if using a bot to check the high scores would be against the rules or not. I don't think it will be though since the GEMW isn't. And i know nothing about coding but if it requires lots of effort just to do a task that does not take up much effort to do anyway t seems like overkill. Web feedback 2.gif User talk  Evil Yanks  Contribs Web feedback 2.gif 05:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sweet. First two 200 million exp skills of '09. Theryguy512 21:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Magic and Farming
Users to look out for:
 * Magic - HS 14 Loki 88 = 200,000,000
 * Farming - HS Pow012000 = 200,000,000

04:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

??? Level 126 ???
What evidence is there that 200m exp would be level 126? Especially since such a level does not exist


 * It already says that it doesnt exist and it has evidence, level experiences have a formula.


 * 12:46, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Exp#Equations

That is the formula.

Getting to level 200 requires 27 billion+ from level 199-200.

You would also have about 280 billion exp in total.

Player Froob 08:55, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Expert1212 is the "first..."
...Free Player to get 200Mil in a skill". Okay, what is wrong with this sentence?

1. There is no proof.

1a. Anyone could level only non-members skills in members worlds.

1b. If not, I suspect bots. Time to report?

Player Froob 14:04, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

1. It's proven

1a. He is f2p, you can look at the Explorers logs...

1b. Why should he use bots, there are also a 200m mining and a 200m cooking guy. The cook guy didn't use bots.

--Zorak plorak. 10:55, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Again, the bot part, is possible. But... I see now.

Player Froob 05:31, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Expert1212 is the "first..." PART 2
Okay, now I have more conflicting evidence.

1. Just because it say's he's a non-member CURRENTLY doesn't mean he wasn't one.

1a. In other words, he could have been a member, but it does not say because he isn't a member now.

2. REASON: Try entering names of members who no longer have membership.

2a. It will say it is a non-member account, even though they have members stuff.

Player Froob 04:13, January 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Free players have spent insane amounts of time in-game without becoming members, so he was not isolated in the F2P only quest. You train Firemaking quickly the same way in members and non-members worlds (burning willow/yew logs) so it is not as if he was at a disadvantage to the 23 players who have reached 99 firemaking. Most importantly, there is no evidence contradicting what is currently written on the page. There is no proof. 05:25, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I know.

D_A_R_KPRO

If you add him to the friends list, it will say,"previous display name was..."(member's only feature).

Check his name at the Adventurer's log and it says,"Members only! This account IS not member!"

http://services.runescape.com/m=adventurers-log/display_player_profile.ws?searchName=D_A_R_KPRO

That would sure explain how "non-members" get skill capes.

Player Froob 05:05, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I understand that it is possible for a member to be called a non-member by the adventurer's log, I was never doubting that. but that doesn't give any evidence pointing towards that he was actually a member. For example: I could say that Zezima abused the party hat glitch to get money to help gain experience quickly. With no evidence that he did that apart from that it is possible that he could have, it really isn't an argument worth acting on. 05:15, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, so the wiki is saying "controversial" information. Since there is no proof with it or against it(yet), besides "someone's" word, should it be on this article? Or should it be removed until there is undenialable proof, preferably done by Jagex, to prove it?


 * Player Froob 05:41, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * It has now moved into player naming policy and the current discussion on it. It is probably best to wait for that discussion to end, then apply whatever they decide on Expert. 01:09, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Go check Expert's webs: http://www.freewebs.com/expert1212/
 * Go check Expert's webs: http://www.freewebs.com/expert1212/

people with 200M in a skill
this part seems to be drastically undermaintained (the part that says there's ### people with 200M in 1 skill, ## people with 200M in 2 skills, etc.). Anyways, the people I got for 200M in 4 skills are Aasiwat, Drumgun, and Telmomarques. not 2.


 * Yeah, I noticed that Extended Hiscore Table rarely ever gets "updated". So far, in 1 month, I recall only 3 edits by others. EvilYank remov. abbrev. b/c he doesn't like abbrev. when it's nt. needed. Lik. nt. nw. :D Another person changed the asterick(uh... thingy). Another made a pointless edit, ("level required is for level after"). And, the rest were by me. No one so far(except me) changed the EXP required, which has to be looked up on the Hiscores.


 * Looks like looking stuff up in the hiscores is time-consuming.


 * [[File:Stats_Overall_icon_highscores.png]] PlayerFroob Talk 08:15, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

I plan to make an update or 2 on it once Drumgun reaches his 5th 200m. He'll be getting his 6th soon after.

I've finally raked the highscores out of interest, just updated it. I thought about posting individual names here for verification, but that would take up tons of space. I'll periodically update this statistic, unless it gets removed.

207.255.167.58 23:04, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Duke Marko Quit
He quit-should we post this until someone passes him (or he comes back) or just roll with it and pretend he's still here just like Larryr? -- 04:36, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably just ignore that fact. He still has the most summoning xp out of anybody which is why he is on the list, even if he is currently inactive. 00:22, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Drumgun
drumgun has 6 200m exp skills, yet isnt mentioned.

He was the second to get it, but he will probably be mentioned for being first to 7 200M, unless something crazy happens. 00:32, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Drumgun has now got 8 200M skills and will be getting fletching soon!

"total experience"
It mentions about how if a player were to achoeve 200m in all skills they would have 4.8 billion experience. I was under the impression however, that the max number Runescape will allow is roughly 2.147 Billion (due to java)

So surely it would be impossible to pass this number in experience. Personally i am waiting for someone to get it to see what happens. 80.47.189.93 00:29, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not entirely sure on this, but I believe that should only apply in game. (Java is not required for hiscores-I can access them on my phone-which doesn't have Java.) 00:31, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

You guys now got a second player to look to; Gertjaars and Aasiwat:
 * Gertjaars: 2,009,333,178 xp
 * Aasiwat: 1,988,632,027 xp

Even though the player information databases aren't java - SQL, most likely, the 2^31-1 cap would still be there (so when they reach that, 2 things may happen: no more xp added tot total xp, or restart at 0xp with just normal xp in other skills). Unless they would have known at the beginning of this game someone would ever be getting this much xp, in that case they would have made a Long integer for the Total level information (variable), which allows a maximum of 2^63-1 xp which can't be reached due to the 200M xp cap. Purepout 19:50, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Surely this doesn't matter since the xp is separate for each skill. Is total xp over all skills used in game? Henneyj 22:23, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

It's somewhat likely that they added a Total xp variable to the database. To reduce loading time of hiscores, for example, as calculating them for all 22 players on a hiscores page while loading it will take some time. Purepout 18:46, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Technical limitations: Assuming that Jagex is using some form of SQL for their databases and Java (via JDBC) to access the databases and JSP to format the data into a the web page, it's pretty easy (and best practice for databases because it's derived and redundant information) to store the total XP separately from the XP in each skill. By isolating the derived data, they can easily update the code dealing with that data to store it in a 64-bit integer ("long" type in Java) without impacting the rest of the system. And for those claiming that Java doesn't support bigger numbers, Jagex could also update the system to support limitless XP by storing the amount in the database as a variable-length string and using BigInteger objects to store it in-game. Anyway, my point is there is no real technical reason why Jagex cannot allow more XP. -- 05:44, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

2 people with 500m xp in 6 skills but 1 person with 200m xp in 5 skills
That cant make sense to have 6 skills with 200m xp you would have to have 6 individual skills with 200m xp therefore if theres 2 people with 200m xp in 6 skills there has to be someone else with 200m xp in 5 skills -- 05:00, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * "1 person with 200m in 5 skills" does not mean "1 person with 200m in 5 or more skills". When the statistics were updated, one person had 5 maxed skills, and two had 6 maxed skills. The old revision was accurate.


 * 207.255.167.58 09:21, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

but skills means more than one meaning they have more than one skill with maxed xp. -- 21:57, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am with the ip on this one, the s in skills refers to there being multiple skills that the person has 200m in. The simplest solution to this however would be to add "or more" to the sentences so they read "2 players with 200M experience in 5 or more skills". That way there is no confusion. 06:51, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah guess so 16:36, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Dungeoneering 120 Cap
Any comments on this theory: It's possible that Jagex picked the level cap of 120 for Dungeoneering (as opposed to a number like 115 or 130) because it is the closest number divisible by ten under the 200 million experience cap. Level 130 would require 280,681,209 experience, which is well over 200 million experience.--Joel amos 00:22, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's possible. But frankly I dunno why Jagex thinks about anything the way they do  18:18, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

what happens after getting 5 billion exp in runescape(highest amount of exp to get possable as of this day(june 28 2010)65.13.68.202 20:53, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing, you can't get anymore experience.  21:11, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Angry Rant
Stop removing my cleanup, disputed, source needed and clarification needed tags!!! can u prove they got those lvls at those times?! Take screenshots, link to other screenshots, DO SOMETHING!!!! And i quote the Runescape Wiki Quality Standards

--Matthew2602 08:20, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, as it says on the article, there are sources needed for most of the "firsts". However, the accuracy template seems unneeded.  Unless you can find evidence to back up the claim that there are incorrect things there, I'm removing the template(s).  And for protection, I don't think this is a good idea.  We often have IPs come in and edit the number of people with 200m experience, and they do it well.  By the way, grats on using that template.  I've never seen it used before.  So, I don't think any of the templates are needed.  And calm down.   09:18, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's an idea; what if we placed a small italicized notice at the top of the page saying "Many dates on this page require references or sources. Please add them in.", or something similar? Adding all of those fact templates looks ugly as hell, and clogs the page up. 09:25, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Let's just leave it alone...hasn't bothered anyone before.  09:28, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds great to me, was just trying to satisfy everyone. Doesn't bother me one bit. 09:29, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'll prove the 200 Million records where possible:


 * 1) Deja Vu Xiii's Constitution
 * 2) Lover Romeo's Agility
 * 3) Lover Romeo's Mining
 * 4) Pow012000's Farming
 * 5) Arfved's Magic
 * 6) Zarfot's Prayer
 * 7) Simon's Construction
 * 8) Pris's Smithing
 * 9) 777knight777's Fishing
 * 10) Paulrat3's Crafting
 * 11) Fir3g0d's Strength
 * 12) Halw Gnun's Herblore

I remember some of the others, but have no data on when. 09:39, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * First, yes there are sources needed, and the template is unneeded. You can remove it.(which you already did...) I personally don't care about the pages themselves, I care about the references. You can add them in if you want.(Or someone else will) Thanks for the info. And sorry for the exclamations. I was just angry that people kept rolling back my edits.( I spent ALOT of time copying and pasting those fact templates...)
 * How about instead we put an incomplete template instead? It will look more formal. And on clogging up the page, there should be one fact template for an entire page....
 * But I'm leaving my clarify tags. Please rewrite the sentences I put them on 'cause they just don't make sense to me.
 * Oh and by the way, who put my post in an angry rant section?!

--Matthew2602 10:06, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re-read the sentences I didn't understand. They make sense now. So never mind with the clarify templates. --Matthew2602 10:13, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Wow that site is really good. It even shows the almost exact time they got 200m. Thanks so much. Will be sure to add refs and info to tables. But there is still info we don't have (such as refs for "player x was the first person to have 200m in 4 skills.") I can probably find the pages for the extra skills but if you can supply those it would help. =]

Thanks --Matthew2602 10:33, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

New problem. Just realised that site doesn't ACTUALLY say they got 200mxp first. If someone can verify for sure who got 200mxp first(preferably a screenshot) it would really help. --Matthew2602 10:48, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but much of that would be very hard to get ahold of. People to contact, lots of effort, and I don't see the point.  Go take a screenshot of the hiscores if you want.  I don't think anyone who was first to 200m has gotten banned.   10:50, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

=O *slaps head* why didn't I think of that? :) thanks --Matthew2602 11:11, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I would still like to know who put my post in this section. --Matthew2602 07:48, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

"First players to achieve 200 million experience in a specific skill" section looks like crap right now.
Someone verify that there is something wrong and that it is not just my computer. Once verified, it will need to be fixed ASAP. I put a cleanup template box under that heading. -- 15:33, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed ;) -- 15:41, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Dude, i knew. I was in the middle of working on it last night but I had to go to bed. --Matthew2602 22:43, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

"Number of players with 200m xp in one or more skills"
With drumgun soon to get 200m summ and his 7th maxed skill (probably followed by 200m strength), I'm worried about this section. I'm currently the only one updating it every month, and I don't feel that just tacking more and more onto the current paragraph is a great idea. Doesn't look that hot, will soon become irritating to read, etc, etc.

I can only think of two things, change it into a table, or just get rid of it. The latter might not be unreasonable, it's a cute statistic to have, but probably not that necessary (it's also a pain to update accurately). If people are satisfied with the way it is now, I'll just continue to update it.

Thoughts?

207.255.167.58 02:42, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

=O Table! Yes! Great idea! --Matthew2602 22:31, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Drumgun just got his 7th 200m, strength (46m in a day, must've burned sw points or something). I'm going to wait til he hits 200m summ before updating the table.

207.255.167.58 20:57, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Toony001 -> Toony
User changed name, link is broken.

Drumgun's 10th
Drumgun completed 200m fletching which was his 10th 200m skill. He is probably going to finish up woodcutting soon as well.

Stop messing with my article, Admins
Alright, STOP! Alright?!?! Use swiftkit!! IT tells you if you are over 99 cap, and the percentage every skill has with 200m, 56%, Gosh! YOU NEVER DO ANY RESEARCH! YOU APES

--The original Drak 05:29, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * RS:OWN 05:32, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * RS:UTP -- 05:41, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * To tack on some things. It's already mentioned in the article.  It isn't 56% from 127, it's 44% from 127, because it's 56% past 126.  Don't rage, but especially don't rage when your wrong, because looking like a pissed idiot sucks.   17:36, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Table seems wrong
The dungeoneering is off by 14, should read 215, could all be new since update, but cooking is way off, should be 347, and I don't recall the table being that far off before. 67.253.110.21 02:10, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

400 million xp
First, I don't see how it's important to know that Hammy or Jebrim got 200 mil xp in the same skill twice. They weren't the first to do it, and this could lead to a very long list in the future.

Second, this list mainly concerns itself with who was the first to reach 400 mil xp in a skill, although the article is about 200 million experience.

Finally, the title of the section and the section content implies these players were the first to reach 400 million xp in a skill, although it would be very difficult to determine if these people were actually the first to do so, or if there were many players before them to achieve this milestone. Smithing (talk | contribs) 01:02, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Let's just keep it simple folks. 01:04, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The fact that it cannot be verified was part of my argument to jebrim earlier. He could only say he had proof that he'd done it and "no one else claims to have done it". I say it's not relevant to the 200m xp article. 01:08, November 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * As I told you before, there is a big high level community and this is very popular knowledge among us. All 3 of us also have videos and Runetracker data proving this. It isn't something that happened at once, but has been in progress for 1-2 years. There's been a very long time for these claims to be made false, not that it even needs just that. I know every person that has 200m Agility, most of them very well, and can easily confirm that Agility hasn't been done before. Hammy is very involved in the Dungeoneering community and people there can be certain he was the first to max 2 accounts to 200m Dung. After I announced my 1b Agility goal 2 years ago, a lot of high levels searched for anyone else in present or history who had done such a thing. Nothing showed up. That may not seem like much, but when you have a whole circle of top players that have been active throughout RS history, it does provide a lot of information. That's why we can say with pretty good certainty that a 400m has never been done before Matt258 got his 2nd account to 200m Cooking. There's been plenty of time for the burden of proof to be rejected by the mass amounts of people that have heard of this. Instead it is accepted knowledge.


 * Also take the case of fairness. If Momeydragon can have something up in Trivia saying she was the first to get a 200m in under a year, I don't see how this doesn't deserve to be up there as well, which I consider to be far more relevant than first to 200m in under a year. 2x 200m is just as relevant as 200m in all combat skills or 200m in all melees or first to 14 200m's, etc. I consider it a matter of fairness, if those get to be up, then this should be up as well. I don't think the topic deserves its own page and it makes far more sense to simply merge it into this one which already tracks such achievements. Also keep in mind that there was something up for a week with no problems and this issue didn't start until Matt wanted himself up as well. I already had it resolved with another adminstrator/moderator, who was very willing to just list us up there with the first to 400m in each stat. I don't see why this has to be approved by every single person in charge that happens to come across it. In that case, hardly anything could get updated on this page lol. Jebrim 08:17, November 19, 2011 (UTC)