Talk:Ring of wealth

Personally, I think that the wealth ring does very little - it increases the chances of a half key, a dragon spear, and (possibly) a dragon half shield. However, it is debatable whether it has any other effect. --Eucarya 16:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

...copied from my talk page, may be useful to some people...

I found it interesting that you don't use a ring of wealth. Do you not believe in them? Two out of my three d drops have been when I wasn't wearing one, so I'm not sure how I feel about them myself. --Wowbagger421 22:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I think ring of wealth only affects "second dice roll" type of drops. For example, if you were creating a new monster you'd say code it as Herb 20, Gem 5, Bronze longsword 3, Chaos runes 3, Air runes 6, etc... The engine then just packages this into a set of probabilities.

Now only "Herb" and "Gem" would involve a "second dice roll" - so you kill the monster, the drop selected is "Gem". Now then, the engine then has a second dice roll to determine the "quality" of that gem. Ring of wealth merely improves the odds on what type. In this specific example, "Gem", there's not just sapphire, emerald, ruby and diamond. In addition to this there's Dragon spear, Dragon half shield, and Half of a key. We know this because anything that drops gems can also drop those items. What your ring of wealth does is improve the chances of getting a "better" result on the second dice roll. It seriously doubt it will improve the chances of getting, say, a Dragon medium helmet, or any other Dragon armour item, and will probably not affect the rate that the unique slayer drops such as Rune boots or Granite mauls drop.

The way that the ring of wealth works was hinted at in one of the letters pages. --Eucarya Talk 08:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Now then, whether there is "Other" second rolls happening I don't know (and if they are, ring of wealth helps). I suspect talismans are a second dice roll, but it is pure guesswork.
 * Great link and an amusing read. The second dice element only kicks in when there is a choice for the second item. So when killing the KQ, the first dice says "A chainbody", the second dice determines "rune" or "dragon". Obviously, a wealth ring helps in such a case. Same with seed drops, amount of coins drops and so on. The speculation clearly is on the category definition of the first dice. The odds improvement for the second dice roll also is uncertain. Most RS boosts are fairly small (5 to 10 percent maximum). --Miw 14:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Why do you all assume that items are grouped by some common property for the second roll? It seems to me that the more likely scenario is that the first roll determines a drop list from a small choice of possible lists. For example, a monster might have have 3 lists, say, common, uncommon and rare, with probabilities of 70%, 28% and 2% respectively. Each of this lists would then have individual items. The rare list would have items like, for example, rune full helm, rune longsword and, say dragon med, with a 5% chance of a dragon med (making effective probability of getting a dragon med 0.1%). With wealth, the chance for dragon med from the rare lists would be boosted to say, 10%, giving effective probability 0.2%.

I seriously doubt that say, a dragon chainbody is part of a second dice roll. In fact, I suspect that most armour and weapon drops are defined in the first roll, ESPECIALLY where that monster is one of the only to drop it - so KQ will have both rune chain and dragon chain in drop list, rather than this being in a second roll. (Therefore, the ring of wealth would not increase your chances of getting a chain). I have some suspicions that there's a "slayer_coins" second roll defined from a lot of slayer monsters cos there's great similarity between the coin amount drops - 11...44..132..220..460 across a great deal of them. Another drop-set I think might exist is steel battleaxe...steel 2h....rune full helm (Jelly, Gargoyle, Nechryael). However, this could simply be someone copying a to b - it is impossible to tell whether a second dice roll is happening there.

Why have "second dice rolls" at all? It's simply convenient to do so in certain cases - instead of having to modify every single monster to give it a small chance of dropping a dragon spear, all they had to do was modify the "Gem roll" piece code so that immediately, any monster that can drop a gem can also drop a dragon spear. I also suspect that "second dice rolls" have fallen out of fashion - when they introduced crossbows, they seemed to modify a selected group of monsters, rather than the items being on a "second dice roll" that they could insert anywhere. Most monsters don't seem to drop similar armour/weapons every time - the steel battleaxe...steel 2h...rune full helm is the only link I can think of and that looks more a case of copy/paste rather than a second roll (only very extensive testing with/without a ring of wealth including several thousand kills could point to an answer). --Eucarya Talk 15:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I found a Kalphite queen log on a fan site which documented drop percentages with and without the ring over more than 1000 kills. From this, it was evident that there is around a 1.7% chance of a d chain drop without the ring and only 0.5% with the ring. Two101 20:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ring of wealth has helped me scored better herbs (less guam-types, more ranarr/kwuarm/lantadyme) and gems (diamond) and rune equipment drops such as (rune full helm from jellies). Rare drops become more common, or less rare. Had 2 red dragonhide vambraces drops from dust devils today. All wearing the ring. Nothing really too special, since I got a Shield left half from a dust devil once, when not using a RoW. 165.21.155.115 00:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that here on Runescape Wiki, we should keep pages for drop percentages where you can record what drops you get from certain monsters. This would replace the (common)'s on the monsters drop section, because what really is common, uncommon, and rare. And if we had an extensive record, we could actually see if ROW helped the drops, and with many people working on it instead of one persons record, it would be more reliable.-Shadesleer 23:18, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Kodeman76/Drop List This should help you a lot.--Kodeman76 00:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm making a Tormented Wraith log to see how many I kill to get an holy elixir WITH Wealth, and then how much I gotta kill to get it WITHOUT the wealth.-- 01:49, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think with how that RoW works you can't get good data with getting just one, i think 5-10 would be a better number. Eather that or you way what you get when you kill 100 of them (or 1000 of them to be more accurate).Mathwiz908 22:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

About pickpocketing
Is it advisable to wear the ring of wealth when pickpocketing, say Master Farmers? I would really like it if I had a better chance to get rare seeds. But does it have any effect at all?


 * I THINK(not REALLY sure) that the Wealth only helps in monster drops from KILLING them, so I think it doesn't help in pickpocketing.-- 01:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Muti-combat zone question
If you are in a multi-combat zone, and two people (both wearing a ROW) are fighting the same moster, does that increase the odds of getting a good drop even more, or does it remain the same? Mathwiz908 20:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As only the victor (most damage) gets the drops, only his ring would have an effect. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  20:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

to be honest if it does help it will literally be a 1 in a million chance. scroll down to see my full comment! asa1130

omg
Well, when I was wearing one i got dragon platelegs so... idk maybe there good or not.....

but some of freinds get visages without the rings so still its like a 15/100 chance.

i got 1 too :)

row
$$Insert formula here$$ all the row does is increse the chance of getting a better rare item. If you killed a monster and it dropped a rare item, the ring of wealth increases the chances of that rare being the most valuable one - it doesnt affect the amount of rare items you recieve.

ring of wealth
i have been wearing a ring of wealth for a very long time now and went to a lot of effort to get one and personally i am very dissapointed by it. i mainly train with the hill giants near valroc and on a good day i will get a bunch of limpwurts and maybe a ruby if i am really lucky. i read on another website that you can get dragon spears from those guys and everyytime i go down there i ask everyone else that is training if they have ever had a dragon spear or even know somebody that has and thats a lot of people and only three people in the year that i have done this say that they have and in one case they had it on them as i asked and showed it to me! i then ask did you wear a ring of wealth and in one case the dragon spear winner said to me " whats a ring of wealth!?!?!?"!!! they are not very well known at to be honest do absolutly do nothing. i do think there may be some truth in the second dice roll theory but only to the extent that it is like rolling a 100 sided dice! 99 sides say no drop improvement and 1 says ok we we will give you an upgrade from a saphire to a ruby and then u roll again 99 sides versus 1 and eventually to get to a dragon spear it is like a million to one chance!!!

--92.18.81.48 00:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)asa1130


 * Well, if you don't like your ROW, then sell it. 00:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

well mine works fine as I have got 2 rubys in 10 kills and 3 diamonds in 30.Jamesrules90 09:01, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

The Row has no effect if ur in lootshare or coinshare.

I went to Iron Dragons with my ROW and got two dragon platelegs drops in one trip... The best I've ever gotten without it is 120 bloods, a few rune meds, and a few rune battleaxes... Mythomagic5 00:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

ROW
One day i was just walking after i bought my ROW and though... Drops that dont normally occure??? So i went to a normal black knight (Leve33) (me level 65) and hit him and found he had 40-45 hp.. And they normally only drop the occasionle air runes/water/fire.. So i s After killing him i start to walk away because the rune dropped looked like a air... big deal... So i right click and see its a Death! So im just wondering... Do they nomraly drop that or is that the ROW workin on der



So i go kill the black knight agine :) and no death... its ROW


 * The Ring of Wealth should only work for rare drops, that means drops that can be obtained without an ROW, but will be 'easier' to get if you do have one. So you probably could have got the deaths without the ROW. 16:58, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

D full helm
i was doing the freminikk achevment diary and i killed my first mith dragon got chewed bones so i figured i would just go make the artic pine pyre ship, i got the d full helm(not wearing RoW), so i decided i have some luck and i got a RoW, so i kill like maybe 20 more nothing did another trip(i forgot my RoW) 2nd mith drag i got a visage, so i sold my ring, and since then i have gotten 4 fulls and 1 visage and none of them with a RoW, and yes i did do about 50% of my kills with a RoW and about 50% without, luck of RoW doesnt work?

It depends, mostly on your luck. But looking from the kills, you are extremly lucky. please sign your posts next time -  Murd3rlogist 

ROW
I have tested the ring on general graador, it was 50 kills without the ring and 50 with the ring. So i got these:

Without ROW: bandos boots godsword shard 1 godsword shard 3 2 snapdrag seeds

With ROW: Rune sq shield Rune platebody Dragon med shield left half

and 100 ourg bones

The ROW seems to be decreasing my chances of getting good drops as you can see. --Murd3rlogist 15:40, November 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * 100 kills doesn't provide anywhere near accurate rates, it's all about luck. Come back when you've tried 10000 and we can get an idea of the difference :P --Mortyst 16:01, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

mmmm 10k is too much m8, so far i got 302. Anyways i got these:

With ROW: 40k gp bandos tassets dragon med helm 9 snapdragons 10 dragonstones 2 rune handers

No ROWs 20k gp  3 rune longsword      dragon med    bandos hilt       5 rune pickaxe      lots of laws and nats 2 dragon spears  junk --Murd3rlogist 01:48, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Bird's nest
Does it increase the chance to get a bird's nest? Or maybe the chance to obtain a valuable item from a bird's nest?-- 22:07, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * No. It only affects monster drops. 22:09, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

New Article
They finally added a page about the ring of wealth. Apparently, it can in no way harm your drops, and just prevents you from getting "no drop" drops. An basically increases the chances of getting gems, keys and such from monsters instead of blanks. Also, the article seems to infer that the RoW does increase the chances of getting a visage. Long Live Armadyl   20:15, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

dude, you infer, it implies. 87.194.181.1 01:07, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

True effect
The ring of wealth only removes "nothing" drops (empty spaces for future use) on the rare drop table, which is shared by all creatures. Since the rare drop creature is the same for all creatures, it should be easy to compare monsters that have it to determine what it includes. Known items on it are Dragon Spear, Shield Left Half, Uncut gems (sapphire-diamond), both key halves, and rune spear. Rune javelins may be on it as well, but I am not sure about that one. D Meds are not on it, since some of the lower level monsters with the rare drop table (cockatrice for example) don't drop D Meds.

All other items besides what is on the rare drop table are part of the monster's normal drop table. So Abyssal Whips, Godsword Hilts and Shards, Bandos Aramor, Armadyl Armor, Dragon Boots, Dark Bows, Dragon Claws, Dragon Platebody parts, Dragon Legs, Dragon Skirts, Draconic Visages, Champion Challenges, Defenders, and such are not affected at all by the ring of wealth. It only would decrease the chance of getting nothing if you landed on rare drop so it doesn’t give normal items any more or less.

Here is a quote from the KB artile, which proves this: "The rare drop table is shared between a variety of NPCs - e.g. goblins, fire giants, most Slayer creatures. A good way to tell is that if an NPC is known to drop a half key, then it will drop other items from the rare drop table. There are, however, certain very rare drops that are not on the rare drop table, because they are specific to certain NPCs or NPC types (e.g. the draconic visage is only ever dropped by dragons; godsword pieces only by the God Wars Dungeon bosses) and it would not make sense for these items to be dropped by, say, a fire giant."

So I think the main post should be edited to clarify that the ring only boost chances not getting a "nothing" drop if you get a rare drop and won't change rate of any of the items I listed in last paragraph. I think the rare drop table items should also be listed or linked to from the main post. Bio 15:57, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

What is rare?
How do you know if a drop is considered a "rare" drop and is on the "rare wheel"?24.2.50.127 05:47, March 23, 2010 (UTC) unregistered contributor.

If a drop is unique to certain monsters (ie. staff of light, godsword hilts, draconic visages) then it's definitely not on the Rare Drop Table. Things that drop off the Rare Drop Table should be a drop that most monsters giving access to the Rare Drop Table will drop too. Pretty much the only items we have confirmed are the generic uncut gems (ie. sapphire to diamond), half keys and left shield halves. There are definitely more though, since, as quoted from Jagex: "The rare drop table contains some of the more exclusive items in the game, including, but not limited to, dragon items, certain rune items, shield halves, key parts and uncut gems".

There is a list on what items are on the table, and what monsters give access to it on the Rare Drop Table article, but it's very likely both lists are incomplete.--Anincent 09:18, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Bad math somewhere...
The drops for table 1 add up to 999 for some reason...either I'm miscounting, someone miscounted, or it was vandalised o_o Godel 06:44, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Haha you're right, I just checked. The mistake is in the steel two handed sword, it's listed as having 52 drops but a 5.3% drop chance, 52/1000 = 5.2%, so it's meant to be 53 instead. I've fixed it now, thanks for picking that up.Anincent 18:11, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

"Curiosly, its unenchanted counterpart is far more expensive than itself."
Does anyone have any ideas as to why it is less expensive than the unenchanted version? The only explanation I can come up with is that people are being generous because the cheaper it is, the more people will have it. If more people have it, rare items become more common and thus cheaper. Basicly, I think people are making ROWs more accessible to help fuel the economy with increased supply of valuable things. GeneralPatton 21:34, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

People wouldn't waste millions of their own money to lower ROW prices just to have an unnoticeable effect on rare items prices. Cause the change WOULD be unnoticeable, if people want to wear a ROW, they buy one (They're only 10k ffs), if not, they wear a better ring. The price of ROW is low because they were overproduced when people believed they would increase the drop chance for pretty much everything; now people know that they are virtually useless, and have sold them. What's more, all unenchanted jewellery have skyrocketed during the last months or so because of the mess with the rogue guy in Varrock, which is probably a part of the reason for the price difference as well. --Mortyst 22:28, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget those people will also buy it unenchanted to imbue it in MA. Coelacanth0794 22:31, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

ring of wealth CANT decrease chances of DROPS
The ring of wealth does not DECREASE the chance of getting certain drops. What it does is it decreases the chance of getting NOTHING. So wearing a ring of wealth removes some of the "nothings" on the "rare roulette wheel". It DOES NOT stop you from obtaining particular items. Despite evidence that can go against this (I took off my ring of wealth at cave horrors, killed a few to see what I'd get, and then I'm like *Oh my God* its a black mask) ring of wealth does not stop your chances. However... what IS considered "rare"? 24.2.50.127 03:40, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

and how do you find out? (same person)

The graphical explanation section already explains everything you've asked :/. The "rare roulette wheel" is the "rare drop table" which actually has an article detailing it. The first table in the graphical explanation represents the table unique to a specific monster, for example the "Cave horror drop table" is unique to Cave Horrors. Within this unique table there is the chance to get a Black Mask, and also a chance for you to be given a roll on the Rare Drop Table (along with chances to get other items of course), these chances are not affected by wearing the Ring of Wealth (and hence the chance of getting a Black mask is not affected by the Ring of Wealth). What wearing the Ring of Wealth does is that it decreases your chance to get Nothing when you are rolling on the Rare Drop Table (since the Nothing drop appears on the Rare Drop Table).

As for what is on the Rare Drop table (which are the only items affected by the Ring of Wealth), it is up to experiment and experience. We can not know for sure what exactly is on there except for uncut gems, half keys and the left side of the dragon square shield (which were confirmed by Jagex in their explanation). The rest of the items are guesses; however any item that we notice are dropped by a large number of monsters (monsters that also must drop gems and half keys) have a good chance of being on the Rare Drop Table.Anincent 04:26, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Ring of Wealth Effectiveness
For all those in doubt of Ring of Wealth:

I am a level 138 who barraged at rock lobsters for charms. It was recommended by man friends to be using Ring of Life (incase of d/c) while others suggested using a Seers Ring(i). I choose myself to decide to choose a Ring of Wealth. Here were the plain results:

Out of 5000 Barrages for each type (total = 10000)

Ring of Wealth: Resulted in about 20-30 more Crimson Charms and about 10-15 more Blue Charms.

Not Ring of Wealth: Less Blue Charms by 10-15. Crimson Charms by 20-30.

I even got some "rare" drops from the rock lobsters. Isn't it obvious that Ring of Wealth increases the chances. This is 5000 Barrages each, not like 300-400. How can you say that it doesn't work? Is there a doubt?

Can post a link to your adventure log to prove your a lvl 138. Theres so many people on the internet who say they are but when they're really only a lvl 30 somethin. 23:46, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

without the ratios, this information isn't particularly helpful. 20-30 more crimson charms means a lot if it is 20-30 more than 0, but not a lot if it is 20 to 30 more than 1000. ditto for blue. what were your totals? Loqk 09:07, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Caution
The price has gone up by alot since the march update. Do not sell your ring of wealth to these people offering to buy for 50k. It may be only worth 10k in the trade window but the street price is alot more. Tal anq uel    ☞    23:01, March 2, 2011 (UTC)