Talk:Meg

Not random lamps
After being able to get Meg for another time, I believe that the lamp is just based in whatever skill she asked for guidance in. The previous 2, she asked about combative advice, and because of those I recieved Slayer lamps. This week, she asked for Thieving advice, which I could assume is for a thieving lamp. Also, I could be wrong based off the short amount of time, but it may be that she only asks for guidance in the 6 main skills that are needed to get into the Player owned ports, which would make sense. Just some theorys on that, if anyone else has a similar case, then I assume that what I said is correct. 67.173.89.158 01:50, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, this week I receieved a Thieving (opening locked doors), Hunting (insects) and Summoning (pet squirrel). I'll have to see which lamp I get next week to see if your theory is correct. I wonder if anyone has actually received a lamp outside of the six port skills; if not your theory could be more likely Sundays211 (talk) 02:18, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * In the discussion above, someone mentions getting a Hunter lamp. Also, I answer mostly Runecrafting questions last week, but I got a large prayer lamp as a reward. 03:01, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Got a prayer lamp, didn't say anything related to prayer. Jagex named me Able Tis (talk) 03:20, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Stepping away to re-answer
So I decide to step away from Meg after the first question to try out her responses to the different answers. You can actually answer at least the first two and step away without any of the answers being recorded. I tested to see what her responses were to the different answers and found out that there isn't a patten. I was choosing the same answer to the question over and over and got pretty much all of her responses: "That doesn't seem quite right. Are you sure?" "That's brilliant!" "Great. I'll keep that in mind." My point is that watching her responses is not a good indicator of if your answer is correct. Also - the answers change order each time. I didn't see any patterns with it. 03:18, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

I had the same experience with this week's reward, got divergent responses to my answers but got 100% reward. Jagex named me Able Tis (talk) 03:27, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Recording Questions and Answers -

 * To ease up the page load, I've moved the questions and answers portion of the talk page to the talk page linked just above. Feel free to continue posting there and use this page for other types of discussion. 00:43, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Enchanting sword question conflict
"I'm trying to enchant my sword with runes, but it doesn't seem to work...?"

On the answers table, it says "Enchanting doesn't work that way." is not the correct answer. Yet I gave that answer last week and got a perfect adventurer. Is there some variation in the correct answers? Or is it just that one of us was mistaken? Sundays211 (talk) 01:54, January 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * They must have been mistaken. I updated it. Izzz (talk) 05:25, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Why do you think "they must have been mistaken"? It's very possible that the game has some randomness in the results. It's even reasonable: if you give perfect advice to someone as clueless as Meg she still may mess up.
 * I think we began this topic assuming this was something like a game of Mastermind, where we could note the guesses, interpret the answers (lamps) as number of correct answers, and figure out perfect answers to each question. But enough people have reported contradictory results -- one guy gives an answer as part of a perfect adventure, another guy gives the same answer as part of a terrible failure /small XP lamp -- that we'd be foolish to think we know the results are deterministic. Haystacks (talk) 06:37, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Bolded answers?
Why are some of the correct answers bolded instead of the wrong ones deleted? Should I be doing that now? Izzz (talk) 05:20, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes you don't get the bolded (100% correct) in the answer options, the other answers are also correct then.

Tallibear (talk) 09:51, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

1 more answer defined
3 questions
 * 1) lumby monster(shrimp) - use small net
 * 2) magical traps - remotely
 * 3) magical traps - remotely
 * reward: med exp lamp = 2 out of three - got 2 identical answers. 14:24, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

A medium lamp is 1 correct answer, not 2. So that would imply "remotely" was wrong and "use small net" was right. Bronzedagger (talk) 00:56, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Having trouble with editor. It is doubling the carriage return so that every edit is spacing the article out further.DESawyer (talk) 16:55, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Validity of answer to "What's the best wood to make a canoe?" (aside)
This is currently on our wikipedia page:

So, I was planning on making a canoe and sailing to some of the wilder places downriver. Tell me, what's the best wood to use? I'm not saying the oak answer is wrong and the canoe station is correct for the purposes of the Meg weekly Distraction and Diversion, but in terms of Runescape, using oak to make a canoe is just wrong. And the tree at the canoe station is there for the purpose of making canoes, how can it not be the best wood to use?
 * Try oak, sturdy and not too expensive. (Perfect adventure)
 * Use the tree at the canoe station. (Confirmed wrong)

99.231.151.50 16:26, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Variation in shrimp question answers.
''Okay, well, thing is...I was hoping to catch something in Lumbridge. Something horrible; something terrifying beyond words. I was hoping to catch...shrimp. Don't laugh - they're horrible things! Slimy and icky... Any tips on how to catch them effectively?''

This question has given me a bunch of different answers from the ones shown on the page. The following options were given to me: Of these four, only the final answer is actually given on the page. Is it possible that there are a bunch of possible correct answers, ranging from best to worst (i.e. if you are given 2 of the highest-ranking possible correct answers, the one ranking highest would be the correct one in your situation, while if you were given only one of the two answers, they would both be correct)?Sundays211 (talk) 20:48, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Get a fishing rod and be patient
 * Wear gloves so you don't have to feel them
 * Just remember that they're harmless
 * Get a net and shove it in the water

Does listing matter?
I received a Med exp lamp (1 answer correct). I don't know how to see which is right and which is wrong :P 10:16, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) ...I was hoping to catch...shrimp. Don't laugh ... - Use a small fishing net and grab the shrimp quickly. - listed as correct
 * 2) After defeating a gang of scurvy seadogs... - Take the most valuable pieces - Listed as perfect adventure
 * 3) What's the best way to take out a sorcerer? - Use a powerful bow to take him out from range. - Listed as perfect adventure

I got a 0 for 3 despite chosing 3 bolded words. I'm a little at wits end on how to explain it.Wally4golly (talk) 19:00, January 31, 2013 (UTC)wally4golly

Non-determinism
I am now almost certain that the answers cannot be evaluated the way we are doing it on this page. For two consecutive weeks I have answered all three questions with answers marked as "perfect adventure" and both times I got an 'all wrong' result (small xp lamp).

So either -


 * This whole thing is totally random, possibly with different probabilities for each answer, or -


 * The answers are deterministic, but different for each player. Many questions have multiple answers that could be considered more or less correct. It may be that the actual best answer is different for every player, yet still consistent. So player A answering the same question with the same answer multiple times will get the same result every time, but his results are not applicable to player B, who has a different correct answer to the same question.

The second possibility would actually make a lot of sense. It wouldn't be totally random luck, yet it would also make it impossible to get xp the easy way by using a question/answer table as the one on this page. 2.14.24.145 04:14, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've given the same (correct) answer 3times on the Lumby shrimps, 1st I got max reward, then I got it wrong all the time. I think it's... a Jagex troll. 14:11, February 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * I have a feeling you guys are wrong...I've been following the main page with my questions/answers and they've all been perfect/almost perfect. Still, if any of you guys could post a thread on the Runescape forums asking for a formal response, I'd gladly add my voice in the comments of the thread. Tallibear (talk) 19:26, February 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm happy for you if using the table gave you perfect results, but it's pretty clear that it doesn't work out that well for everybody. In my case, I had 0 correct answers out of 6 'perfect adventure' entries I used from the table. So either the 6 replies I used from the table were all incorrectly reported (while not impossible, this is rather unlikely especially since they seemed to be from multiple contributors), or the system just isn't the simple 1-1 relation this table makes it out to be (and you just got lucky :) The latter is much more probable :P 2.14.24.145 00:24, February 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, thanks ;p. One question though: Since many questions have more than 3 options, have you had a thought that you have to pick the most correct answer? (As if you get two different "perfect adventure" answers in your option, you have to pick the more perfect one?) Anyway, let's organize what we have until now:
 * 1. We have Meg asking 3 questions each week, they can have either 3 or 4 answers, the answers aren't always the same. (Some questions reported to have even 7 different options available)
 * 2. Meg's response to the answers doesn't mean anything.
 * 3. The amount of quests your character have done/its general experience in the game doesn't seem to have any affect on the questions
 * 4. It is highly possible that an answer that is correct for one player isn't for another. - This means that we have really low chance to be able to figure out the system the game is following to determinate the correct answer.


 * It is seems to me that we'll have to keep using the table in the main page and update the question/answer listing I started here, and meanwhile open a public thread on the Runescape forums about the subject, containing all the info we've gotten (or just what I listed above) and ask for a formal response. Could anyone take their spare time to do that? Tallibear (talk) 13:29, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Answers from Mod Moltare
Hi all, Just got a confirmation from Mod Moltare on this issue. It seems that where the confusion lies is when you are a higher level in the skill Meg is asking about, you will have more answers to choose from. It is more likely that the correct answer can only be given at a higher level. Your table is right in that there is a best answer to give, but perhaps the absolute best answer has not been provided due to your level. I'll see if I can fish the answers out for you and send the details your way. - Mod Michelle
 * Thanks soo much! ;) 14:12, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * OKies, not sure on your policy on linking to things, so I won't. The info is on the Meg page on the official wiki. Took a while but all the questions *should* be there. - Mod Michelle
 * Thanks for that. I'm in the process of transferring the data over to our page. Should be done soon, then Meg will be unlocked. 15:41, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * The new format is readable and gives a lot more information -- but there are only about 23 questions here -- it's very incomplete! Are the old questions and answers still retrievable short of undoing the whole thing?? Haystacks (talk) 18:05, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you figure out this little thing called page history. Also, I could only use the answers I had access to, which were those ones. 18:09, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * With regards to linking to things, so long as it's safe and not abusive content we generally allow it. With regards to linking to the official wiki, we tend to discourage it because as it's a wiki, it's considered an unreliable source due to anybody being able to edit it (also the same reason why academic research doesn't source wikipedia), but we do allow sourcing to pages which only Jmods can edit, the ones with those red badge things  20:03, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Protection
Why is this page protected?

I have a confirmed list of all the correct answers for Meg's questions, but can't update cause I'm not an administrator...the whole premise of the article is wrong..Cardamaim (talk) 15:51, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because I had the same list of correct answers (the rsow one) and was adding them to the page. It was protected so that I could do such a massive edit without conflict from others wanting to do the same thing. 15:56, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Although, even if I hadn't locked the page to prevent conflicts, you still should not have made any edits on there, since I had added Template:Inuse to the top of the page, which basically means "back off, someone else is at work here". 16:06, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Unlisted questions?
What about questions that are not listed right now? I have not edited this section and I don't feel comfortable doing so any accidentally providing bad information. However, I do have a Meg-question in my port today that is not in the table.

"I was wondering what the best weapon was for cutting through dense undergrowth." To me, the obvious answer is a machete, but like I said, I don't want to add content to this section incorrectly and still wanted to at least keep track of the missing piece. (MustangBaby (talk) 00:39, February 6, 2013 (UTC))
 * 1) A strong machete.
 * 2) A sharp sword.
 * 3) A good knife.

Why have all Meg's questions been cut and pasted from Runescape's wiki page?
Previously we were tracking Meg's questions and answers ourselves. They were in alphabetical order and were much easier to read. Now it is a huge mess.

-- Robertsmom 70.24.207.206 01:37, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because, if you bother to read this page, you'll see that a Mod bothered to go get clarification on them for us. Therefore the information on the page is now confirmed correct. If you wish to alphabetise them... please only do so if you know what you're doing with a table and source mode, because cleaning up after people who use visual mode to edit tables they don't know what they're doing with is such a pain. 01:42, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually what I see is that the table has been cut and pasted off the actual runescape wiki.  So if I wanted that info I would look there for it.  I prefered to see the results of actual people talking to Meg.  Your condescending attitude sucks. - Robertsmom 70.24.207.206 01:45, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * So you'd prefer not to really know what is the correct answer? To have confusion and constant changing of it as people get different correct answers to what is listed? Get off your high horse and accept that sometimes, just sometimes, taking from the other wiki is acceptable, especially when the information is something that a Mod went out of their way to find out for us. Also, it wasn't a complete cut and paste. I didn't like the format of their table, and I am trying to find out how to change the column widths on this one. 01:50, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thee edit that added the info came from Mod Michelle. As there is no reason to suspect foul play, we can safely use this information. Nowhere does it state that we are forbidden from using information from Jmods 01:54, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think for some of us taking a few breaths and reading the "be nice" and "assume good faith" guidelines are in order. I'm glad to have better (and presumed correct) data from a Mod. I can test my our experiences against that to see if it makes sense and perhaps to understand the rules for awarding Small-Huge lamps, and if there are any missing questions it gives us a lot better understanding of the game structure with which to fill in the missing pieces.Haystacks (talk) 04:15, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Why are Meg's questions no longer in alphabetical order?
It is much harder to find what you are looking for now. Also the choices of answers are all squished on the side. I can't fix this. Robertsmom 70.24.207.206 01:42, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I use CTRL + F and type in part of the question to find what I need. The Find command may be different for Macs 01:45, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Is using ctrl+f too difficult for you? And I just copied them in the order they were on the the other wiki's page. Like to see you do such a massive edit and alphabetise them. All I see you doing right now is whinge pointlessly and make multiple edits, some of which break the rules of this wiki (see:RS:DDD), in rapid succession that you could have done in one. 01:46, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, and put your signature on the same line as your text. 01:48, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Kane I will try that.
 * Anselan- I spent an hour putting that list in alphabetical order last week fyi.  Not that I will ever be helping out here again. Grats on you for being able to cut and paste.
 * In case you didn't understand not everyone in the world is a professional wiki editor.  Some of us just like to help out when we can.
 * - Robertsmom 70.24.207.206 01:54, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Putting information that is already onto a page into alphabetical order is easier than making a table from scratch and trying to alphabetise them according to the information in the first column of ten rows. Someone else is attempting to implement a solution that will do this automatically. And I'm nowhere near a professional editor. I gakked that table up about a dozen times trying to make it, and it's nowhere near what I wanted it to look like. As has been pointed out, that information came from a Jmod. It is confirmed correct. Isn't it better to use that, rather than rely on anecdotal evidence that isn't the same for every single person out there? 01:58, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I checked the list and it looks like Mod Michelle chose to put them in order of most to fewest answers. If you check the first bunch have 10 potential answers while later down it's just 5 02:00, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Something still unclear
I remember my very first chat with meg, I remember the questions, the answers I gave, and I remember getting a medium xp lamp (presumably 1 answer correct). She asked about how to cut dense jungle, and I used the machete answer. She wanted to get into the thieves' guild, and I told her to get on Darren's good side. She then asked about enchanting swords, and I told her enchanting didn't work that way. All of these answers are listed here as Excellent, even though this page didn't even exist at the time I helped her out for the first time. I'm hoping most of my adventures will be perfect since this new information we have is coming from a Mod. This was a great improvement, but I say we do not take it for granted and watch out carefully for the results. I still think there is something we don't get here, since according to this page my first adventure was supposed to have been perfect. 187.59.100.175 07:00, February 6, 2013 (UTC)Markthorn