Talk:Zaros/Archive 3

More speculation fun time?
Some people really think this needs to be readded again. Shall we start up another discussion or just refer them to the above post? THE TIME LORD VICTORIOUS 00:44, October 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * There was an agreement between both the opposes and the supporters that part of it would be removed, part would stay, and the part that stayed would be put into the trivia section rather then its own section. I think its is fair, as trivia has few rules and this is by far not the most irreverent trivia ever. Its definitely not hurting anything and both sides seemed happy with it. Then someone, possibly not knowing about the agreement, removed it and I reverted their edit in defense of the compromise. Please allow this agreement to continue to exist, as both sides were happy and it really makes no since to remove this and leave all the other real-world similarity trivia. 97.114.132.167 00:36, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Read above, if you wanna talk about religion read the bible and talk to your grandmother. ScionCrush 00:49, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why ruin it? It doesn't hurt you, you can just ignore it. Oh, and if you want to talk about rock, talk to your nearly deaf uncle. Seriously, this type of thing is mentioned all the time. Why are we allowed to mention that black zabbeth is based off a rock band, but not that zaros has similiaritys to real world religions? What is it hurting you?? 97.114.132.167 00:56, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because you can scream "I LOVE ROCK", but if you scream "I BELIVE IN A VIDEO GAME GOD OF EVIL THAT IS SIMILAR TO CHRISTIANITY" you get flamed at and burnt alive, its shaky ground son, l2read as per above. ScionCrush 01:03, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hes not the god of evil, and I don't "believe" in him. Btw, you just basically admited that you arn't trying to be fair or stick to the rules/guidelines, just to make rs wiki similar to the rest of the internet. If one thing is allowed, the others must be as well. 97.114.132.167 01:13, October 26, 2010 (UTC)}
 * Following your logic we should allow porn and insults too. ScionCrush 01:15, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I suppose if Zaros or any other npc had an obvious reference to a porn movie, I would include that reference. If the specific npc also was related to a certain, well known insult, then ok go ahead. Thing is, this is very rare, and I don't think theres any npcs that have a connection to aether of those. Maby you could try drug references next? 97.114.132.167 01:21, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Anyways, Scion's reason is because it doesn't fit in with other internet culture. Does anyone else have a different reason why this trivia should be treated differently? 97.114.132.167 01:38, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Dude you're trying too hard lol, Religion doesn't fit in this wiki, when they get sued by a Religious cult we're gf'd, thats why no1 besides you want it here. ScionCrush 01:41, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * How dumb are you..? CLEARLY I want it here. Oh, and we can't be sued for presenting facts. 97.114.132.167 01:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * The arguments here are pretty weak. Religion shouldn't be included on this page because it implies information on a sensitive topic about a person, people, or a community that has not made an explicit statement with respect to that topic. That's something I think the Wiki would rather avoid. See also: Forum:Keep_real_world_religion_off_articles Ablm578 01:48, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

It implies nothing. Simply states facts. 97.114.132.167 01:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

What Andrew said
Hey guys I added something to the trivia. I read this

Q: Is it true that Zaros may return?

A: That's a scary thought. Zaros scares me

in the Q&A with Andrew on the forums that happend in Feb. I thought it was interesting so I put it in trivia, not even sure if everyone can see it, another reason Im telling you guys. It could also be put in more flimsy reasons why Zaros is evil ;)

75.82.167.225 08:19, November 24, 2010 (UTC)chizoi

Future Update? I think not!
I see that there has been a banner put at the top of the page, suggesting Zaros to be a future update - I beg to differ! Zaros is not a future update, which can be proven, and thus states that any user who puts the Future Update banner at the top of the page, is vandalizing the page! I do reccomend that someone either stop posting the banner, or post a reasonable explanation for why there should be one, on my talk page.  {C}Cheers! ~Deth 01:30, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha the banner clearly states this page has content that is subject to future update. Aka developments in Mahjarrat series which we cannot predict and that's why we have the future update area. We won't be able to know what will happen regarding Azzanadra or other Mahjarrat even a failed attempt to resurrect him would be a future update that would be added as well as his alignment which may be revealed in a future update. {C}So please put the banner back up. -- 12:01, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

@Deth please reply to this thread with a rebuttle or your argument against the point I made or I will put the banner back up. :) Thanks -- 23:56, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Use of his name...
Just throwing an idea out, could we remove his name from the article? Refer to him with pronouns, or as His Emptiness (or another of this titles, which ever is preferred). This would only serve to strengthen the mystery surrounding the character, as even Jagex have renamed items (such as the Statuette). Thanks :) 46.33.4.136 00:21, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, that goes against RS:NPOV. While I see why you think making him sound more mysterious is desirable, the wiki is supposed to be written in a matter-of-fact way (see the NPOV link for why). Thus, Zaros has to be refereed to by that name. 00:26, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Beyond his personal name, only The Great lord may be used >.> --Mika Zarosia 03:59, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Zaros Graves
I see that there is a picture of Zaros' supposed grave from the postbag in the trivia section. I wonder if this may be giving people the wrong impression as to what his graves actually look like. I know that there are two or three images on the wiki of ingame graves with his symbol (on these pages: Mort'ton, Glarial, Glarial's Tomb, Salarin the Twisted). Lacking in computer proficiency as I am, could someone perhaps add one of these pictures to the trivia section? Lord Drakan 02:47, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

I suggest that there should be added a list of quests that concentrates on and mentions Zaros. I myself can only provide the major ones, like Desert Treasure, The Dig Site and The Temple at Sennitisten. I will add it now, and i hope that more quests will be added. Praise Zaros! TardirProductions 22:59, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Unless we are over 9000% sure
We shouldn't list items as being Zarosian. We can't be making guesses and assumptions. It was a Zaros statuette at one time, but now we are just GUESSING and ASSUMING that it still is. There is no proof, and also no evidence. It doesn't have his symbol, or anything resembling his symbol. It also doesn't have his colors, and, infact, has the colors of his worst ENEMY.

Furthermore, "Ancient" doesn't always mean Zarosian. My grandma is ancient, but as far as I know she doesn't support Zaros.The ancient cavern has nothing to do with Zaros, nor does the Ancient diary. 75.174.239.165 04:23, March 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * The ancient statuette really was known as a Zarosian Statuette, I remember getting it as a drop when I was a mediocre pker awhile back... Shoulda took a screenie. 04:32, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * That is correct. I'm not saying it wasn't. At that time it was Zarosian, but, when jagex changed it to Ancient, it ceased to be Zarosian and became an unaffiliated item. 75.174.239.165 15:17, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * the majority of "ancient" refer to zarosian stuff --Mika Zarosia 00:09, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * But not every "ancient" item is zarosian. We need proof, not guesses. 75.174.239.165 02:05, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * To me, the fact that it was formerly a "Zaros" aligned item, and the name was changed to a term which is very commonly used to affiliate things with Zaros, still makes it a Zarosian item. Granted, you are right about the colors and symbol being inconsistent with that of Zaros, but...if you look at the altar of Senntisten, there are some seemingly non-Zarosian colors there as well, but it's quite obviously affiliated with him. I think this is one in particular that shouldn't be tossed out. 07:14, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * The colour of the items affiliated with Zaros doesn't matter, I mean there's a whole lot of proof that a just because something isn't purple or gold it doesn't mean it isn't Zarosian. Just have a look at Nex, her skin colour is red but that doesn't mean she follows Zamorak. Another example is the Mahjarrat, Azzanadra follows Zaros but his robes aren't colour purple or gold. We are 9001% sure. Lord Nexius (talk) 23:58, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

I think its starting the make sense
Once you finish regicide you find out the king of East Androuge is evil and plans to summon Zamorak to Glielinor, Once you finish The Temple at Senntisten you find out that Azzanadra is planning to bring Zaros back to Glielinor, during Devious Minds a strange figure tricks you into helping him steal a holy artifact after you take the orb to Entrana an assassin appears and kills all the monks then takes the holy artifact you later find out this assassin was working for Azzanadra, and in Temple of Ikov Lucien tries to trick the player into stealing the Staff of Armayl for him which he manages to get whether the player helps him or not.

{C}I think its all coming together as it seems both will be summoned to Glielinor. I also think from here it could go 1 of 2 ways which are 1. Lucien is secretly working for Zaros and plans to use the god objects he stole to bring back Zaros 2. Lucien plans to kill Zamorak and become a god himself. If Lucien uses the objects he stole to bring back Zaros the Zaros would be able to easily continue his origonal plans. However, if he is seeking to overthrow Zamorak and become a god himself then that will put a dent in Zaro's plan. Those are just my thoughs what does everyone else think? pyrolord 07:04, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * What you think now - after RotM? 15:00, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Zaros' gender
What do you mean, Zaros' gender is unknown? Yes, I know he's very mysterious and we can't post things about him that we're not sure of to prevent biased editions, but to consider that the Empty LORD could be a 'she' is preposterous. Of that we can be sure: Zaros is not the Empty Lady. Thousands of evidences can be found in the game. Please update that information.

{C}Palito55, 15:28, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just because Zaros takes on masculine nouns/pronouns, doesn't mean we should assume that he is a He. Just look at real life gods/deities. 15:31, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Use some common sense, Jagex would not have used Lord if not refering to a man....
 * 10:54, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's a matter of common sense. Why would Jagex decide that Zaros is a 'she' after using only and exlusively masculine names when referring to him? Characters who knew Zaros personally or have lived during the Second Age, such as Azzanadra and Viggora, clearly refer to Zaros as a man. There's not even a single clue that implies otherwise. Besides, this is way different from real life deities. Seren, who is a goddess, is always referred to as a female in the game.
 * At least of Zaros' gender we can be certain.
 * Palito55, 21:19, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh, Zaros can be neither too. 21:27, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but as of yet he should be referred to as male for that's what the content in the game implies. If, in the future, evidence stating otherwise is released, then you can edit it back. But for now, please update his gender to male. Palito55
 * We don't know what his gender is for sure, so it should stay unknown. Jagex has changed their mind about upcoming updates before, what if they decide to make him a girl? You never know. Until we see Zaros, or Jagex explicitly says what his gender is, it should stay unknown. 20:43, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think i've cracked it. Zaros COULD be genderless, but that would mean he is a Shapeshifter and that his preffered form is POSSIBLY the form of a male human. Either way male, female or genderless, all Zarosians refer to him as Lord so i think that should get rid of any theories stating Zaros' is female.  Lord Nexius (talk) 06:34, April 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, we've seen him in cutscenes, and LORD pretty explicitly states his gender. So this is pretty much a non-argument. NIPPON ICHI 21:01, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * i dont understand your argument about real life deities anyway, most gods i can think off in real life have an explicit gender and take the titles as such, for example the christian god is refered to as lord, and as being the father of jesus. no one has ever seen him to know for sure, but i think its safe to say he would be a man. zaros is refered to in a masculian sense and therefore should be treated as a man. 11:56, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * i am however happy with it saying 'most likely male' as it does 10:16, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I screw something up typing this...Change to curses and then go to any altar(not the sentisten altar)And change back, it'll say "Zaros eases HIS grip on your mind."99.111.46.250 13:35, July 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I find this funny, IT has been proven by his followers, that he is indeed a MALE, all his prayers pwoer also proves it, Zamorak proven it,if i am correct in the gods letter, and one of Saradomin (curse of zaros miniquest) men proved it, Zaros is indeed a male. His MahjarratFollowers have proven that he is, EVEN JAGEX, proven that he is. SO I don't see why we are still talknig about this now. BUT LET REMEMBER ONE THING, Guthix was thought to be genderless from proof of him being a shapeshifter, untill we saw the world wake quest. So for now, we know, from what we have in proof, it is a male, UNTIL there is a new quest where Zaros arrives, and we see what he is, then we can judge, but for now, all the proof i stated above.Kinglink15 (talk) 10:38, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros is a good god. Here is why.
FOR GOD SAKE HIS CAPITAL CITY IS SENNTISTEN. It is derived from Szent Isten, meaning Holy god in hungarian. If that is not enough proof. Then here: http://translate.google.com/

Type in Szent Isten in there and check it out, hungarian to english!
 * Yeah might be, but that "good god" doesn't mean the same as a god that's good. It means something like "oh my god", which does definetely not confirm Zaros is a good god. Also, we can't be sure Senntisten comes from the Hungarian Szent Isten. 15:31, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also most Zarosian words that are in another language are in latin. 03:49, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Most other Zarosian words like? Charlegme 16:47, June 28, 2011 (UTC)Charlegme
 * Everything in the hymnal, for starters. Djur 19:36, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good point. Also, come to think of it, there are several examples of this in Nex's Fortress in the GWD. For example, the word "Nex" itself is Latin for death, and each of her four gurads also have Latin names associated with the spell they use. (Umbra - Shadow ; Glacies - Ice ; Cruor - Blood and Fumus - Smoke) Charlegme 11:11, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, certainly interesting. But as said above: holy isn't = good. Though Sara's (holy), Zammies (unholy) god book and spear (evil), does give that idea in the game. This isn't part of the official idea about the gods. Though the translation is indeed interesting. Maybe Senntisten wasn't only the political, and military capital, but also religious. I think the Linga franca of the time was like latin, not that it was necessarily the Zarosian language. Prolly only done to give it that ancient, mystic feeling. Btw, Burthrope guards speak it too - I find that somewhat odd. 14:58, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Just because his Capital City has similarities to the word "Szent Isten", which means holy god, that doesn't say anything about Zaros at all. e.g. To a Zarosian, Zaros or Zaros' places of worship would be Holy, but to someone like a Saradominist or a Bandosian those places would be Very unholy because back then Zaros was Considered an enemy by all the other gods. Get what I'm saying? Lord Nexius (talk) 23:50, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

New Aligned Colour
A new default clothes colour called Zarosian purple has been released.
 * Yes, but that is a description of the shade of purple related to Zaros. The article only mentions purple, just as description of a color related to Zaros. Not as exact name. There are various shades of purple related to Zaros, and to describe them all, we just call it "purple". 10:12, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

A Reference to Cthulhu?
What if Zaros is a reference to hp lovecraft's cthulhu?


 * What happend to the trivia? I hope you just added it to the rest of the page somewhere. When people are really interested in lore one of the first things they come to is Wiki and they want to know EVERYTHING


 * ^I doubt it. 00:43, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I'm been thinking Zaros might be a refernce to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism. Highlander has made a refernce to highlander where when Mac Leod faces Ahriman(Angra Mainyu) he says

" I'll become one wih everything. I'll become one with you. I'll become everything, therefor I become nothing. Therefor you are nothing."


 * Since Zaros is sometimes refered to as the empty lord perhaps this is some kind of refernce. pyrolord 18:49, November 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * It could be a reference to "Cthulhu", but you don't say why you think that. I mean the name doesn't seem similar. Guthix was before Zaros, Jas is even the elder god... so what would make the link? Also Zaros and Zoroaster have a similar looking name :P So in short; it would help if you'd give more info, and sign. Because else were just fantasising baselessly, not really philosophy 14:49, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Saradomin And Zaros
Is it possible for a Saradominist To befriend a Zarosian ? Because I did. He Is Actually my best friend and we both agree that when Zaros returns to Geilnor that he and Saradomin make a temporary alliance in Deatroying a mutual enemy ,Zamorak, and then we let fate decide what happens any thoughts 63.216.122.122 19:29, September 18, 2011 (UTC)Diedaries The Bringer Of Peace 63.216.122.122 19:29, September 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that would strongly depend on his allignment, and of course how he would use it. But seeing how all warring gods joined against Zaros before (out of fear, mostly), I doubt it. But maybe if Saradomin(ists) would spin it in a way that they could say the raged war against Zamorak eventually/effectively to help Zaros, maybe Zaros(ians) will be mild/friendly - depending on allignment, I guess 14:43, November 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Saradomin and zamorak have worked together to bring down Zaros' empire before, I doubt that Saradomin will side with Zaros after he and Zamorak destroyed his empire. I also doubt that even if Saradomin did want to side with Zaros then Zaros would refuse because of Saradomin's decision to make temporary alliances with Zamorak.
 * 09:42, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros Logo
Zaros its logo looks a bit like a Suncross...

--Quilafa