Talk:Mines and mining sites

About all of these are ripped straight from Runescape's Knowledge Base! user talk:Dreadnought 18:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Merger
See "Talk:Mines"(removing double redirect) for discussion. 03:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

this page
I think there should be an article about Mines. Or perhaps a redirect to Mining. But I think there is too much information in that page for people who only want to know what each mine contain and its location. Aurora sword 08:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this page is neat, with the chart and all!--Atlantima 18:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Merger
I think Mines and Mining sites should perhaps be the same article, as they both seem to document where the mines are and what ores can be found there. About the only difference is that one has a text table and the other has graphics, but I think there should be some satisfactory way of putting both into one article. 03:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Disagree. This page is now much more comprehensive that the section in the mining article, and it would make that article too big if merged there. Inelcirc 21:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Creating pages
There are quite a lot of red links in this article. Should we create an article for each mine that is red-linked? 15:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. 15:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay then, I'll start some of them. 15:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Coal colour
The coal colour on the chart is green-can someone change this to someithing mor eappropritate, maybe changing font colour as well?

Members-only Mines
Could we have a section on the chart saying "Members Only?" (yes/no) Or perhaps 2 seperate articles wiht a disambiguation page??

Changing Mines names
This is following on from a discussion between Degenret, Inelcirc and Super awesome happy dude. It is located on Degen's talk page if for some reason you ever have an urge to read it.

The names of mines are very inconsistent, and need to be cleaned up imo. The game guide names each and every mine in RuneScape, though the only way to see this name is to hover your mouse over each individual image and/or reading the image file names. This is a list of everything that will have to be moved for both my convenience and so that people can know why I am doing what I plan on doing.

I will add a members table another time. 02:48, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * For the ones that do not match we can just do page moves right? Page moves will change every link to a page and direct it to the new page?--Degenret01 03:50, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Moving doesn't automatically update all the links that like to it, since if it did then there might be 100s of pages that would be changed without any human monitoring the changes. I find it easier to change all the redirects so that they are not double redirects as well as change a few minor pages where it matters (such as the navbox). Every page just about would need to be edited because they all say the page name on them. 04:33, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for being the guy that doesn't totally get it, this just isn't something I have done much (any?) of in my time here (but I do want to help with this). So to spell it out step by step instructions (where this is wrong just modify it, instead of adding afterward). Ya?--Degenret01 10:16, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Page move to proper name
 * Change every redirect to redirect to the new page, as to prevent double redirects.
 * If there are obvious easy mistakes in the name (such as southeast instead of south-east), then create redirects for them.
 * As each is done we should strike it out in the list you have above.
 * For the second point, I prefer to just change any redirects to save time. The only time that you will need to change every link is if you are splitting a page since clicking on links will result in you going to the wrong pages. I also added a redirect step. And the last 2 don't need changing. 05:48, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * At this point I am (at least temporarily) conceding that I don't have the foggiest regarding the tricky hidden aspects of templates. I just don't get how when I can click one and its empty, how is it linking to the first page to begin with? When nothing is there? What? Reading the source material Az provided failed to illuminate me and...well, basically, I can do moves and link fixing except where said links go to or from a template. If me doing this will just make it harder for people as I would only be doing half the job on a page, then I will get off this project. Anyone else working on it say how you want it to make it work easiest for you.--Degenret01 14:36, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * After a bit more playing, I realize although I still can't undo template links, I can add the new ones in. So I will do all I can, and worry about taking away the old templates later.--Degenret01 16:19, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I have the solution, you don't need to change links when they are on templates such as navboxs. Wait until later today, then I will get all the members mine names and change the navbox template, which should remove a large chunk of the links. 03:11, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Desert Mining Camp underground mine doesn't exist in the game guide, though the surface mine does.
 * There are many Keldagrim mining sites which are grouped together in the Game guide without a proper name. We might have to invent names for the mines.

I will remove the red links after I have changed the navbox. 09:47, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, when I change the navbox, I will redirect every un-moved page to keep the navbox in working condition. 09:50, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * My brain has gone numb after changing he F2p ones. I will do the members ones tomorrow. 10:14, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

The following mines are not mentioned in the game guide. It should be fairly easy to apply the same formula used on the previous mines on these ones: 11:54, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Desert Mining Camp underground mine
 * Ardougne central sewers mine
 * Fremennik Isles copper mine
 * Neitiznot Runite Mine named it Fremenik Isles coal and runite mining site
 * Jatizso Mine
 * Lunar Isle Mine
 * Miscellania coal mine
 * Miscellania & Etceteria Dungeon Mine
 * Piscatoris mine
 * Brimhaven north-western mine
 * Karamja Volcano Mine
 * Limestone quarry
 * Dorgeshuun Mine
 * Evil Chicken's Lair mine
 * Keldagrim north-east mine
 * Keldagrim south-west mine
 * TzHaar City mine
 * TzHaar mine
 * Lava Maze Dungeon mine


 * Did I interrupt anything? I moved a few pages to their Game Guide names. -- 03:56, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Naaaa, we're just taking our time. After you move it you could write that next to it in the list above, that would be helpful.--Degenret01 11:50, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Game guide free mining site Members mining sites

If all the underground ones will remain named as "mine" then that is most of the above list.--Degenret01 03:50, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * When naming, remember to not capitalise "mine" or "mining site". 03:56, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Note to self so I wont forget: Once everything is moved and is neat again, I need to update (nearly remake) the mining sites navbox with all the new names. 08:19, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

What category?
Most mining sites already have the "mining site" category added, and some of the mines also. So are we going to have two different ones? Or keep together? Maybe we should have one category "Mines and mining sites" instead of what we have now.--Degenret01 07:58, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Mines and mining sites sounds good. Maybe we should rename this page (Mining sites) "Mines and mining sites" 08:06, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, lets save that for the last step. As a woohoo type thing lol.--Degenret01 10:04, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. 10:09, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that Fremenik Isles coal and runite mining site should be renamed "Fremennik Isles mining site". Shorter name. Also, in the current version "Fremennik" is misspelt "Fremenik". 02:35, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yea, I was thinking it is off. But there are two other mining site to the east and west, so maybe center or central? Middle? Honestly, I do not like those word choices but am drawing a blank on others.--Degenret01 07:52, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * "Fremenik Isles central mining site" sounds best. 01:50, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I moved Desert Mining Camp back to its old name. The article is about the location on the world map called "Desert mining camp", not the mining site in the camp. We can either merge both the surface and the underground mines into the article, or have each have their own article and have the main template on the desert mining camp page. What do you think?? 05:43, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I find it annoying that it doesn't end in "mine" or "mining site" (damn you JaGex *shakes fist). I haven't looked at the underground mine in a couple years but if there is nothing to it then it should prob get a redirect to the main article and a paragraph at the bottom. IAR > Granularity.--Degenret01 09:56, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

25 Dec update

 * Shouldn't North Keldagrim mining area be "Keldagrim north mine"?--Degenret01 08:53, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * All pages from mines or mining sites now linked to new category "mines and mining sites".--Degenret01 08:59, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Deleting category "Mining sites" did not remove it from all pages. -Sigh-, I really knew it wouldn't. But I hoped. That and "Category:Mines" may now be deleted. I won't delete that one till we clear it. But I don't know how.--Degenret01 09:09, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, been busy with Christmas and Boxing day parties and stuff the last 3 days, so I haven't really been on. The North keldagrim thing thing is what the Game Guide calls it. Do you think that we should break from convention and use the logical name for it instead of the Game Guide name, or follow the master-reference-material's name?? 11:12, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize for having a real life, good for you. And in this particular case I do think the name that flows and matches the others (Keldagrim north)would be more logical. I would guess that the writer of the game guide was hasty and didn't actually consider that the names should all flow in the same way.--Degenret01 22:14, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Moved to Keldagrim north mine. I did a general clean up of most of the pages yesterday and made sure that all the names in the articles were the same as the moved page names. What else is left to do?? This is what I can think of: 11:31, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Put descriptions on the in-game images that you took in case somebody gets confused what they are looking at. Neutral
 * Synchronise Template:mining sites, Mining sites and Shooting Star with the new names
 * Move Mining sites to "Mines and Mining sites" (you can do this since you did a majority of the work moving the pages)

Sounds like a good plan. I hope to add ingame shots for all mines we don't yet have, but that will depend on work. They had RS unblocked last week so I was able to play HD and do those pics, but I have been off for 5 days and won't go back for three more. I'll cross my fingers and hope I can finish those up.--Degenret01 19:04, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Oops ones we missed
Ardougne eastern mine (update star page also when done) Ardougne southern mine (same) is Coal Trucks correct?--Degenret01 05:21, January 2, 2010 (UTC)