RuneScape talk:Signatures

Couldn't think of any more appropriate template than Under Construction; This policy is not in effect...yet. We should discuss this first and make edits as appopriate, removing the UC tag when we're done. The stuff I've put in in the restrictions bit is just what I thought of off the top of my head. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 17:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Vimes it's ok to have an image as long as its SUPER SMALL. Anyways thats how I feel. --◙▲╛Whiplash ◙▲╛ 19:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm...yeah ok...slight change to the policy to reflect that. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  20:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Ideas
Ok, this bit is just ideas that are being put down - just indent one level further than the suggestion and put agree or disagree, and a reason if appropriate. Feel free to add to this list. I think this would be the most efficient way to deal with the ideas - any which require discussion can be discussed individually with ease...of course, if you disagree, do say so. :) JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  21:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Images - only allowed to use sysop crown as an image if a user is a sysop?
 * Aggree, it signifies what (and who) you are, but only admins should be able to claim (and use) it. [[Image:sysopcrown.PNG|14px]] Megalodon99   ( Talk ) 22:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Backgrounds and borders - I suggest banning them completely...
 * Disagree They dont take up too much space as long as you only have them on say one link [[Image:sysopcrown.PNG|14px]] Megalodon99   ( Talk ) 22:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Add a link to This Page

Using a Template
What if there was a template for example Template:Signatures and each user created a subpage so for me Template:Signatures/The Voices. You could save your signature there and every time you wanted to use your signature you just used:

Template:Signatures/Your Username

One advantage of this is that if you change your template all your signatures will automatically change. Your template could have 1 variable were you insert ~ to add your username and a timestamp.

--The Voices 08:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Excellent Idea! I love it. It would get rid of most restrictions on length!. You may just say  (five tildes leaves only a timestamp . It may even be possible to use the template when setting your preferences.  Megalodon99    ( Talk ) 12:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It works!!!!! 20:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Note: Just set your preferences to then put a nice complicated sig on the Template:Signatures under your user subsection.  Megalodon99   ( Talk ) 20:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Signatures
Ok, there's 2 signatures there at the bottom of the list that aren't even signatures, should we fix it, or leave it be for the user?
 * I fixed Codenametiger's sig, though the other one I might jsut remove as it's all messed up. I'll try to fix it first.-- Richard ( Talk  -  Contribs ) 02:01, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

???
Why did this happen? Now the page does not tell you how to make sigs. I was very proud of that page... 15:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Just a theory, but maybe one of those "experienced" siggers wasn't getting enough requests for new sigs and so changed it so new users could not recieve instructions on creating their very own sig all by themselfs. As a result, all new users who wanted a sig would have to go to them to request a one solving their problem. Tylerbeg 23:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * RuneScape:Customizing your signature.--Richard (Talk - Contribs) 23:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

fixed list numbering
For some reason PK 01 ER's signature would make the list numbering restart so i just bumped him to the end of the list to fix it.  oblivion  01:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * can you do it again, its getting fragmented, and i dont know how to fix it  [[Image:Wooly hat.PNG]] Corhen talk[[image:Green party hat.PNG|27px]] 08:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * NVM, i spent close to 2 hours tracking down the names, then changing it so it works properly, it seems that it is unable to count past 124, so i threw a name the restarts the count into the begining of the second section, is someone knows what causes this, that can add it and move the name down below  [[Image:Wooly hat.PNG]] Corhen talk[[image:Green party hat.PNG|27px]] 09:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Improving my sig
Any suggestions for improving my sig: Range Piggietalk

Range Piggietalk

Range Piggietalk 12:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Help
Every time I sign, my signature's white party hat's background turns black, like this:
 * 21:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Is it something wrong with just my computer, or wikia? 21:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh? That's weird, it only turns black when I use 14px. {[[Image:White party hat.PNG|14px]]} 00:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Fixed (see Image talk:White party hat.PNG). 02:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Time of signing?
How do you make something say the time of when something was written, like 13:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC), but something I can use in my sig, or can i just chuck the whole code in preferences? Tobylane 13:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * When you type ~ it automatically should produce your sig and date. You can also do for just your sig and  for just the time and date. Cheers, [[Image:Kandarincrest.gif|25px]] Chicken7  >talk>RfA 13:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I was thinking more a date in a custom sig.

whats up
i made Template:Signatures/Corhen, and made my preferences say in my sig catagory, but i end up with

 Corhen talk

, which is the entirety of the code, when i sign, is there a way to make is so it just says

?? so that i dont have a massive amount of junk? 08:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * ok, i needed to relpace
 * with
 * Signatures/Corhen 08:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Signatures/Corhen 08:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

little problem here
i have re-done my signature from the one with the black lognsword and green phat, and i have changed the "template" (Template:Signatures/Craiga2124) but the system has not changed my signature yet. When will this happen, as i have been waiting for 3 weeks for it to change now. Any advice please??

04:26, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * NVM I fixed it!

Identity
I have an unusual situation here. My name on Wikia is Aiddat because it's my Star Wars nickname. However, in RuneScape I go by Ali Irontoad. By someone copying me or some bizarre coincidence I saw a character on Tutorial Island named "Aiddat" who wasn't me. I would rather not make another account for this wiki; I'm not sure if it's even allowed. So I'm wondering, is it okay to go by Ali Irontoad (even if my username is actually Aiddat) completely on this Wiki, or do I have to call myself Aiddat here too? &mdash; Ali Irontoad (Talk) (Contributions) 16:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You may call your self whatever you like so long as it's neither offensive or in violation of Jagex's rules.-- 16:21, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. &mdash; Ali Irontoad (Talk) (Contributions) 18:00, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

New rules for signatures
Recently, I've noticed that many users have been going around signing pages with signatures that either break the layout of the page or are so large that they, er, just don't fit. As such, I think it might be time to set some rules for signatures:


 * 1) Signatures may not be more than twice the width of a normal line.
 * 2) Signatures may not contain elements that "float"; this includes image thumbnails with the "left" or "right" property, &lt;div&gt;'s with the "float" CSS property, etc.
 * 3) Signatures may not contain deprecated (X)HTML elements.
 * 4) All tag names and attributes must be lowercase, as Wikia pages are served as XHTML.
 * 5) All element attribute values must be enclosed in double-quotes, including numerical values.  Only a single equal sign may separate and attribute name from its value; no space characters are necessary.
 * 6) All tags must have a corresponding terminating tag, as Wikia pages are served as XHTML.  For example, &lt;br&gt; would not be acceptable.  Instead, &lt;br /&gt; should be used.
 * 7) All elements must only use relative positioning.
 * 8) No element may have its CSS "display" property set to "block".  Elements which default to block display must be set to inline display, including divs.  For example, &lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt; would not be acceptable. Instead, &lt;div style="display: inline;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt; should be used.
 * 9) No element may have its CSS "display" property explicitly declared as being anything other than inline, as different browsers interpret display values differently, excluding block, inline, and none.
 * 10) Signatures may not contain invisible elements or text.  This includes text that is the same color as its background, elements with their display values set to none, and elements with their visibility values set to hidden.  Such text is frowned upon by search engines and could result in the RuneScape Wiki being indexed improperly.
 * 11) As Wikia utilises W3C's XHTML namespace, all W3C standards are to be followed.  ANSI standards which conflict with W3C standards are to be ignored, unless Wikia chooses to adopt ANSI's (X)HTML namespace(s).
 * 12) Personal images may not be uploaded to the Wiki for use in signatures.
 * 13) Signatures may not contain obscene text, images, or other content which could be deemed offensive by another user.
 * 14) A signature must contain a name identifying its owner.  While this does not have to be the actual username of the person, it should contain the name by which the user wishes to be called.
 * 15) All signatures must link to their owners' user pages.
 * 16) Users may only edit their own signatures.  Exceptions are:
 * 17) * Reversions of vandalism
 * 18) * Reversions of inappropriate edits made by users other than the owner
 * 19) * Cleanup/repairing of (X)HTML or CSS so that a signature does not violate any of the above rules or W3C's standards.
 * 20) * Removal/replacement of deprecated features
 * 21) * Type correction/repairing broking links. If a typo is purposely placed in a signature, a comment should be added stating so by the owner.
 * 22) * Moving signatures into the correct namespace
 * 23) * Correcting the titles of signature templates
 * 24) Discussion regarding an individual signature should be posted on the owner's talk page.  If the discussion includes more than two people, it may be relocated to the signature's talk page.
 * 25) Signatures may not contain scrollable regions or extend beyond the boundaries of its parent element.

What do you think? 01:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Discussion
I think it's good. Important things I would like to add/highlight: 04:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Text within the signature should be short and not include long sentences which are unnecessary.
 * 2) Images in signautres should be small, within the height of standard text (0.5 to 1.5 the height of text)
 * 3) Signatures should not "flash" or "blink".  This can be distracting, and can be annoying to some users.  Flashing images and text can be dangerous to those suffering epilepsy.

......Wow....I support....wow... 09:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose I think this is a horrible idea. Way too many rules... to the point that this is micromanaging the problem in a way that it simply doesn't need to be done. A quick glance at the rules above is enough to make me want to just run and leave the wiki. Seriously, if anybody who is new to wiki editing saw rules like this, it is a major turn off and is far too much wiki-lawyering. Simplify this rule set significantly... perhaps to a single sentance: keep your sigs simple and don't overpower the pages where they are used. Nothing more, nothing less. I guess don't impersonate somebody who you aren't, but that should go without saying as well. Of course, I'm not one for fancy sigs anyway, but I'm willing to let those who want to play that game the opportunity to do so. I don't even like color coding of sigs to note admins/bureaucrats. --Robert Horning 18:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd have to agree, the complexity of the rules is certainly intimidating. However, the current "one sentence rule" thing is already in place, and it clearly hasn't worked.
 * Most of the rules outlined are technical specifications which can more or less be ignored by most users. Users can go about making signatures just as they would have before, and I'd be more than happy to go around updating signatures to match the new W3C specifications.


 * To be honest, most of the intimidating rules are not my own; they are W3C's. Wikia has opted to force W3C's specification on all browsers that view the page, which means that if we don't follow them, pages won't work.  With time, pages containing signatures will more or less become illegible.  I have already noticed this happening.


 * If we're going to allow users to use fancy HTML/CSS styling in their signatures, we need some set of guidelines; that's just the way it is. We can either refer them to the W3C specification (which is many pages of technical jargon), or create our own, simpler version.  One way or another, we're going to have to create guidelines for signatures.  The only alternative would be to disallow any formatting in signatures whatsoever.  However, I like the idea of customized signatures: they allow users to express who they are.


 * The main advantage of these rules is that they state exactly how more experienced programmers (like myself; I'm a professional programmer) can and can't interfere with signatures. At the current point in time, if someone has incorrect syntax in his/her signature that is breaking any pages it appears on, I have to go to the user's talk page and carry out the long process of explaining the whole idea of "deprecated tags" and how the signature can be fixed.  With the advent of these guidelines, more experienced signature creators can "fix up" signatures (without changing the actual appearance, of course) without having to scare users with technical jargon.


 * I am not support of users getting into trouble for violating these rules. Rather, they are meant to act as guidelines outline what warrants a signature edit and how that edit can be carried out.  Our wiki will have a much "cleaner" appearance on talk pages (especially in less common browsers, such as Safari and Opera), but at the same time, the privacy of a user's signature will be protected.  19:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)