RuneScape:Requests for adminship

This is a page to nominate users for administrative duties.

Archive 1 - Contains nominations of JodoKast, Oddlyoko, Richard1990, Huanghe63, Jard Y Dooku, Couchpotato99, Eucarya,  Hyenaste , Shadowdancer, Avian Maid, Vimescarrot, Megalodon99, Dreadnought

Users in dark red were appointed as bureaucrats. Archive 2 - Contains nominations of Emosworld,Whiplash,Ilyas,Chrislee33, Vimescarrot

Archive 3 - Contains nominations of Tirrian gant,Malestro,Emosworld,Sacre Fi,Cashman286,Chiafriend12,Patcong,Majora18574,Richardbot

Rules

 * Contributors should not nominate themselves for adminship. However, users are welcome to implicitly or explicitly show an interest in becoming an administrator in order to alert other users.
 * To acquire more positive votes, it is best to be requested by a contributor with much experience or an administrator.
 * Contributors should not be nominated simply for having many edits or having been around a while. While these two often factor into successful adminship, these two qualities alone do not make an administrator.
 * In most cases, bureaucrats may only be recommended by other bureaucrats. Because it is good to have a stable amount of active bureaucrats, nominations will be made when one bureaucrat becomes much less active on the Wiki. There are currently 5 bureaucrats and 3 active bureaucrats.
 * Nominations will be held for at least 2 weeks before a final decision is made. If the vote is clearly positive before the two weeks are up, a bureaucrat may make a statement of intent to attract any negative votes.

Guidelines
In order to be considered for sysop rights, you should be doing some or all of the following already as a normal user:
 * Watch Special:Recentchanges and help to revert vandalism even before you're an admin - just because you don't have fast rollback facility doesn't mean you can't change vandalised pages back to what they were before - any "new" pages that you can't delete yourself, just put the little edit at the top - another admin should pick this up in Category:Speedy deletion candidates and follow it up.  This is the primary reason why this wiki needs admins - protection from vandalism and acting as a volunteer to keep this wiki clean, readable, and factually accurate.
 * Create good content - if we don't have content there's no point in anyone using this wiki. Attempting rewrites of large articles will greatly help your chances of being recommended/accepted, as this is more noticable in some ways than lots of minor edits to lots of small articles.  Where the wiki wins over other sites is our ability to get information out fast simply because everyone has editorial control, even unlogged users.  Help write the brand new updates - if someone else is writing the quest guide, make your own notes but start creating the sub-page articles ready to be blue-linked already.  I love creating a quest guide where every time I create a link it's already blue (I experienced this particularly when I wrote the first draft of Darkness of Hallowvale).
 * Be part of the community - Welcome new editors on their talk page and gently guide them in the right direction. Talk to other editors, engage in the forums and generally show your face around! Though the wiki is assuredly not a clan, it is a place that your fellow players gather, treat them as human beings!
 * All decisions should be democratic - regardless of who is suggesting something whether they be normal user/sysop/bureaucrat, all votes should be counted equal. If you are in the minority on an issue over a certain article, be prepared to back down.  Be mature about it.  See Runescape:All editors are equal.

1 - external links are generally ok in the main wiki as long as they're to "reputable" sites, Additionally, anything in your own user page is ok as long as it's not outrageous (porn, personal abuse, etc)

Blankothe3rd

 * Takes a deep breath" I'm going to (gasp) nominate myself. As selfish as I am I feel bad more myself, If I be an admin, I'd keep this wiki clean of spammers, vandals, and personal attackers. *Takes another deep breath*, I bet i'll get alot of opposes but, what the hay? I just want to see if people think I'm good enough to be an admin. *Takes 1 last deep breath*, forgive due to me nominating myself. How selfish I am. =| --Blankothe3rd 07:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak Oppose I really don't know you that well which probally means you have a very small presence in the community. I'm not very familiar with your edits either. Don't worry I don't judge people for nominating themselves. --Whiplash 13:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Soft Short Oppose maybe early =/ Syugecin talkcontribs

Endasil
Current Votes
 * Support/"Yes" - 4
 * Oppose - 1
 * Neutral - 0

Hi all. I hate nominating myself, but I wanted to make it known that I'd like to have admin rights. I have only been here for a few months, but if you look at my contributions you can see I've already been acting like an admin, only without the shortcuts that an admin would have. Though my mainspace edits are only in the low hundreds, I think you can see that they are high quality and professional.

Before you object to my time on the Wiki or the number of edits I've made, keep in mind that the sysop position isn't a glorified editor position. Users should not be given sysop based on their time here or the number of their edits, but on their proven ability to carry out administrative tasks. That said, I'm open to whatever opinions you may have.

I may note that I'll be on vacation starting Friday, so I may just let responses build up until my return the following Sunday. Don't think I'm ignoring this thread.


 * You've been here a little over a month. I don't even know you lol. 01:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the response...though I don't know what to say other than "ok." As I tried to carefully say in my paragraph above, I'm not seeking this position because I'm chummy with all the other sysops, because I believe that's the type of environment we're trying to avoid, and I'm not seeking this position because I've been here a long time or make major contributions.  Major contributions should have no bearing on your ability to perform administrative duties.  You can continue making major contributions without administrative authority.  The point was, I am seeking admin because I already have been performing administrative duties, and would like to make that easier on myself to do.  Just take a look at my contributions and you can see what I do most on the Wiki.  Hi, I'm Endasil by the way :)

I see the "all editors are equal" policy thrown around quite a bit, and you're definitely better than the random person who wanders in off the internet and goes for an RfA. Going through your contributions, I like what I see. Nearly half (exactly if you round up the percentage) your edits are mainspace, and they are quality edits. Even if this is too soon, or if we've got enough admins for the time being, I think you'd make a good sysop. You've got my support. 04:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Not yet - You are a good editor, but you've only been here for a month (or so). In a few months or a couple hundred edits I'll support. 04:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Support - Conditions apply - I'm not an advocate for self-nominations... at least you're being bold. :) However, it's been a short while since you've joined (I did, in fact, read the nomination), and you may not have the trust of others to become an administrator... also, unlike me, you actually know what you're talking about. =P I'll support, so long as you pinky promise to use good judgement. *Raises pinky* 05:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've not checked anything you've done but I'd just like to say, you certainly seem to have the right attitude towards sysop powers. I don't really have time to check what you've done at the moment, sorry - if you bug me in-game I might... JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  06:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you all for your comments thus far. I respect all of your opinions, and while I've argued that edit count and length of time shouldn't be a factor in whether one becomes a sysop, I do understand that both are essential in becoming trusted by the community. I'd like to shortly share why I am seeking admin powers. I am for the most part seeking just the roll-back capability and the delete page capability, because I often end up reverting vandalism and marking pages for speedy deletions. So, I'm going to leave my nomination open for the next week. As I've said above, I'll be gone for the coming week. Feel free to post your support or criticisms while I'm gone, and again, please don't think I'm ignoring you. I just don't know how many internet cafes I'd be able to hit up while backpacking in Scotland :-).


 * Yes you seem to have the maturity and good intentions that mabey some of our past hopefulls mabey haven't, however you should be here just a bit longer before you get privalleges just to get to know you in the community. ^^ Best of luck. --Whiplash 22:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Support. I've watched a lot of your edits and I'm impressed with the contributions you've made here.  Keep up the good work.  02:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Syugecin

 * Support 8
 * Oppose 3
 * Neutral/Pending 4

I nominate Syugecin because he helps me with my page and also has lots of knowledge about Runescape. It would be an honor to add him to the team. GO SYUGECIN!!!!!!!!!!
 * Hey! Thanks! Who is that above? They forgot to sign.... [[Image:Dragon_scimitar.png]] Syugecin [[Image:Fire_Rune.PNG|28px]] 16:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm.... [[Image:Dragon_scimitar.png]] Syugecin [[Image:Fire_Rune.PNG|28px]] 16:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support I want to support this user because he has helped me on RS a lot. :)Runescapehelperperson 16:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * For everyone out there... I just read at the top that being nominated by a more well how to put this... active user gives you better chances. No offense to Quilw but he isn't well known so I don't think I have much of a chance. Sysops, delete this if necessary. But everyone! feel free to vote! [[Image:Dragon_scimitar.png]] Syugecin [[Image:Fire_Rune.PNG|28px]] 22:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Forget it. Kill what I said. [[Image:Dragon_scimitar.png]] Syugecin [[Image:Fire_Rune.PNG|28px]] 01:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I shouldn't have said that. My bad. I forgot the all users equal thing. Sorry everyone! [[Image:Dragon_scimitar.png]] Syugecin talk [[Image:Fire_Rune.PNG|28px]] 01:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I am all for syugecin. He is kind, friendly, always ready to lend a

hand when you ask him to, and very knowlageable about

RuneScape. He is one of the few future admins who understand their

true duty. SYUGECIN ALL THE WAY!!! Codenametiger talk 01:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Neutral 18:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Oppose. 769 edits, but 446 of them are in forums (123), userpages (206), and user talk (117). How did you get 206 user page edits anyway? He has 256 mainspace edits, if anyone was wondering. A couple image, template, project pages.
 * Support Syugecin FTW. Plain and simple. A vote for Syugecin will save 1 puppy from being eaten by George Bush! 01:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :D [[Image:Dragon_scimitar.png]] Syugecin talk [[Image:Fire_Rune.PNG|28px]] 01:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks to that IP too? Are you a user? Because you aren't logged in. :P [[Image:Dragon_scimitar.png]] Syugecin talk [[Image:Fire_Rune.PNG|28px]] 01:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh ya, and to that IP Address, I'm not an admin yet :P That's why we're voting. so your statement is incorrect. [[Image:Dragon_scimitar.png]] Syugecin talk [[Image:Fire_Rune.PNG|28px]] 01:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Could you show me one edit that you feel is a good example of the work you do on the wiki? It will influence my decision. --Wowbagger421 01:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * SupportHmmm....He looks pretty worthy in being a admin. Support it is!}01:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support I've seen some of Syugecin's work on the wiki and i think he is a perfect candidate for the job. Armyleader36 13:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. He is a nice person. <Font color="gold">Talk-to <Font color="gold">Cashman286 <Font color="red">(Level 46)  20:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

After discussion, my vote is now Neutral. 22:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Tentative Support. I would love to see you attempt a rewrite of a "large" article not just making small edits here and there.  You're fairly low combat, so help us out with some of the quests, the work you did on Death Plateau (quest) was good, we need more of that and some pics to go with it!  Right now my feeling is "I don't see any reason why not", I'm more than happy to change this to a total support if you can demonstrate that you're brave enough to attempt large articles - part of being a sysop is following the style guide etc, and being able to point other users in the right direction.  And giving them free-rein when they look like they're coming up with good stuff. --Eucarya Talk 22:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support, per Eucarya. 23:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. 23:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose Look what I found, quite sad....

" ==VFA== COuld you vote for me in the votes for adminship? Vote something oppose or support. It doesn't matter just please put something.  <font color="NAVY">Syugecin   15:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)"


 * If you ask, thats a no. 02:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow Dread, that's pretty harsh. All he asks for is your opinion and you call that begging for votes?  Yikes, you run a tight ship.  So much for an open-communication community.

EDIT: Looki here. http://www.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaRUNESCAPE.htm 230 edits or so in 60 days. I don't think we should admin people that have low amts. of edits and might go inactive, kinda like me. 02:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose Not enough edits I'm afraid. Chaoticar 03:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose. You haven't been here for long. You haven't made many edits. I think that this wiki is getting too much people who don't understand anything. Total Rune and Cashman support like everyone because theyre nice persons. If more people like that come here then like every 2 days ago arrived noobs will get 10 pointless supports. If that happens, anybody can become a admin! (We should avoid that!) <- If that hurt you, sorry. 05:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)#

support A great person, and although he hasn't been with us all for long, I still think he deserves recgonition, great rune shop btw. ;-) 13:21 gmt 27th April

100% support Tesfan 21:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose He sucks and really destroys this wiki... Ryugecin(2) 03:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Um... I think that you are inpersonating my brother. He is Ryugecin. Maybe you should reconsider your name. And I don't think I suck or destroy the wiki. <font color="NAVY">Syugecin [[Image:Dragon_halberd.png]]<font color="RED">talk<font color="RED">contribs 14:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Support nice guy however hasn't made alot of edits. And be nice guys we don't want to start an argument. --Whiplash 13:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Very Strong Support Just like we all should, he tries his hardest, and is very contructive!

Wowbagger421

 * Support-5
 * Oppose-1
 * Neutral-3

Wowbagger421 is seeking sysop powers. He has been a member since 8 June 2006, but has especially been active since March, amassing over 500 edits. Wowbagger has shown a great variety in his edits, ranging from user-relations to information in the namespace. He has built several articles dealing with prayer and has also worked in categories and typographic edits. Additionally, he has a good record, having never committed vandalism nor even butt heads with another user. 23:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support-It's true. He is extremely helpful at times and most pages he contributed helped me alot. I bet he will be a great so what awesome admin.23:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed, but I say Neutral because he has only 500 edits you say? I don't quite think that's enough, but Wowbagger sure does has enough expierience with the wiki. 00:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 817, but who's counting ;) --Wowbagger421 00:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Why do you always base on edits Chia? Read the third bullet under rules...edit count and admin ability do NOT go hand in hand.  Support.
 * Support im surprised he is not already. --Whiplash 00:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. 01:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, so more than 500 edits. That's better. :) But I shall not yet say support, but instead Answer Pending. 01:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support Definately overdue. Good work! Chaoticar 10:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Total Support.  A great editor, mature, hard working, contributes good content.  --Eucarya Talk 23:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Answer has pended! New answer: Neutral, still 18:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't really have much of an impression of you yet, so, Neutral. <Font color="gold">Talk-to <Font color="gold">Cashman286 <Font color="red">(Level 46)  20:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Neutral. Lol, I have never talked to him/her or tracked his/her edits. My vote doesn't really count. 05:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Play with fire, you're gonna get burned Wowbagger. 19:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Very mature. --Wowbagger421 19:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

SUPPORT! - I changed my mind. 20:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Dtm142

 * Support-4
 * Oppose-1
 * Neutral-0

I have written many of our quest guides including Recipe for Disaster, Regicide, Mourning's Ends Part 1 and 2. I was also the original creator of RuneScape:Userboxes and have created several of the most popular ones including Template:User member, the original versions of Template:User rare, Template:User guild, and Template:User free player. I was the user of the month for April 2007.

P.S. I know that I'm not supposed to nominate myself because of the new rules, but I have done so anyway as per RuneScape:All editors are equal, WP:IAR, and my comments on the talk page. Dtm142 23:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Support. Dtm has written over 100 quest guides, most of which have probably been used by all of you at one time or another. His guides are detailed, accurate, and he devotes his time and efforts into them. Over 900 total edits, nearly 650 mainspace. He even won user of the month for April 2007 for his hard work! 23:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I Oppose because you can't nominate youself. 04:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You nominated youself Chia. o_O 11:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Somewhat support I think your a very trustworthy user and did alot of great work on the quest guides. However I haven't actually seen you do alot of reverting or reporting vandalism mabey I just haven't look hard enough but I don't think il let that get in the way. :) --Whiplash 13:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support I agree with whiplash when he says "I think your a very trustworthy user and did alot of great work on the quest guides". And, i think that if your good enough to be a user of the month, your good enough to be an admin. Tesfan 15:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support the nominating-yourself policy is bogus anyway, it's there to stop people who clearly won't get sysop from wasting space. DTM is clearly eligible for sysop.  Let's try actually looking at users, Chia, instead of basing our decisions on edit counts and silly rules.  If no one nominates a user like DTM, that's our fault as a community, not his fault as a user.
 * I agree with Endasil on that point I find that oh you cant become a sysop because you nominated yourself bullshit. The guideline should be changed. --Whiplash 18:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support Good editor, made edits to several policy pages. Also Chia the self-nominating rule is currently being debated, so should be considered null (until a decision is made). Chaoticar 01:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Gangsterls

 * Support-2
 * Oppose-1
 * Neutral-0

Well...along the lines of self-nomination, I may as well try it out. I don't know exact numbers, but I think I'm over 1200 total contributions, with over 800 in the mainspace. And, of course, Support. 23:36, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I Oppose because you can't nominate youself. 04:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You nominated youself Chia. O_o 11:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Chia thats not a good reason you always have a reason to oppose almost every nomination. I Support Gangsterls because he has contacted me ingame several times to report vandalism so I think he's well suited for this job. --Whiplash 13:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you could make a few improvements as a user, including making sure of the correct spelling before correcting others' spelling, but this is not really related to sysop. I think you have the maturity to be a good sysop, just make sure you always evaluate a situation before making an action.

Yes, I nominated myself, but after my sysopification (that isn't a word is it?) someone (was it Whiplash? Vimes?) declared that users can't be sysoped when they nominate themselves. I'm only opposing because of that. If I read it wrong and can prove that it says something else, then I'll change my oppose to a pending. But still oppose. 17:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Support. Lots of good edits. If you'd asked, I probably would have nominated you myself. --Wowbagger421 17:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Nobody ever deemed you couldn't. --Whiplash 18:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Total Rune

 * Supports - 1
 * Oppose - 4
 * Neutral - 0

He has been an active editor since the troubles from the past. He has put those behind him and is now on the wiki daily. He is generally around for everyone. But try not to get in any more fights! Have Fun!!! XD <font color="NAVY">Syugecin <font color="RED">talk<font color="RED">contribs
 * Meh, I've never voted before for an RFA, so I regret that my first vote would have to be somewhat strong oppose. =\ Although I appreciate his help with the arguement last night, I feel that's exactly why he may not make the best sysop. An admin should be able to stay neutral during heated arguements and I feel that neither of us are really able to do that. Plus the whole situation with his brother, though I don't really feel that should make a difference.  13:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I oppose too, I've seen some of his posts to other editors, and they seem very angry, I wouldn't like to see what that anger could do if given access to sysop powers. --Marcus Gord 14:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose - not that many usefull edits, and has not bee around very long. Also, what would he do with sysop powers? 15:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Oppose - he has declared that his only real intention is to become a sysop, which signals to me that he's just looking for power...power that I personally wouldn't leave in the hands of someone who is easily angered and whose account has not been secure in the past. .

Oppose. He has made helpful edits since he was unblocked, but I still feel like he never should have been unblocked. I doubt I'll ever trust him. --Wowbagger421 16:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Total, but told ya'. Hehe.NEUTRAL 17:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

God I hate you guys but I'll say this anyways in hopes of re-informing you about myself. My brother is no longer in control of this account. I'm very glad to have been nominated. I nominated myself once earlier and when my brother was in control of this account he tried. I know this is probably gonna end up being a long post but I thought I should let you know this. I do work full time at a Food Basics here in Niagara Falls, Ontario. I'm done high school, I'm 19 years old. I'm always watching the Wikia, even when you think I'm not. If I can't sleep at night I'll pull an all-nighter and stay up watching the wikia and reverting vandalous edits. I'm like the Silent Wikia Watchman. So in closing, Vote for me and Don't feed the Tz-TokJad! Like the band Hinder said in their song "Get Stoned"; "If it's not perfect, I'll perfect it 'til my heart explodes". You do realize all the vandalism I've reverted and prevented was done while all the other Sysops were AFK or sleeping or at school.19:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

LMAO. --Whiplash 19:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Whip. You. Me. Duel Arena. Now. >:( 19:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * About my acid tongue I realize Wowbagger still is one of those people who believe I'm my idiotic brother Nicholas. Wowbagger, that's your opinion and I respect it. Now. My acid tongue. I can at times burst into a flaming ball of swearing, but I try to keep it at a low minimum. The only time I've blasted someone is when it was a vandalizing IP user. I realize alot of you don't trust me because of the history between the wiki and the creator (and poser) of my account, my brother Nicholas. Once again, your own opinion, I respect it. But I had really hoped that my brother would not stand in the way of me becoming a Sysop. But I see he has. I am a very mature person, I would make an excellent Sysop. But of course alot of you guys are simpled minded and have a tunnel vision which seems to be focused on the past. The past is past, forgive and forget. 19:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to make this longer But my intentions on becoming a Sysop are not just so I can say "LOOK OMG! I AR SYSOP!". I frequently pull all-nighters and revert vandalism and such, I'd be the perfect guard. 19:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Since Whip laughed at you and you claim to have your bro not being able to access your account I say Support unless I blow up, then I can't support anymore. Lol. 20:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I is simply mindedfully choosed Me Oppose durr.....<Font color="gold">Talk-to <Font color="gold">Cashman286 <Font color="red">(Level 48)  21:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I wasn't using simple minded as an insult -.- I'm just saying you're all focusing on a past not created by me. You realize I have been able to keep Nicholas (my bro) from re-joining the wiki? And I found out who vandalized the World of Warcraft Wikia with the sodomy article, etc. It was Nicholas. He "got bored" 21:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with you on that point Total Rune judgine people on past actions is not a good idea as people to change. --Whiplash 21:22, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Who say simple mided am a insult? Me is just stoned durr.....But I really do oppose. I think that you are still mouthy. I am, too, though. I also think you have a bit (ok, not a bit) of a temper, and if you got mad, you might permanent block someone that doesn't deserve it. Or...your bro could come to you with a shotgun and torture you tell him your password. Then, hell would come to this wiki. Siblings can do that. I would know. <Font color="gold">Talk-to <Font color="gold">Cashman286 <Font color="red">(Level 48)  21:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Is the fact that he can't even avoid causing a controversy on his own RFA page grounds for an oppose? --Wowbagger421 21:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wowbagger. Is the whole reason you're here to annoy me and try to get me re-blocked? And Whiplash~ I thought we cleared up our differences. I'm starting to see the truth behind alot of the members of the wiki. I'm seeing the light. I'm only trying to become a Sysop so I can better serve the Wikia. I'm on the wiki 30+ hours at a time. I've pulled all nighters on nights where I should have been sleeping because I had to work early in the morning just to watch the Wikia. I've sacrificed so much for you guys and all I get is Oppose. Christine, I had your back and what do I get in return? Oppose 22:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Woah woah woah. Why am I getting dragged back into this? I told you why I opposed, and you can't tell me that I'm being unreasonable. Like I said on your talk page, and I shall reiterate here, its obvious which side was right. Sure, I appreciate it, but that shows how your temper is holding you back from being a sysop. Your brother has nothing to do with my opinion, I'll repeat. 22:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well forget you guys then, let the wiki become over-run with vandals. Your choice, you're just digging your proverbial grave. You know what, if you're all gonna focus on the negatives, I give up. I no longer care whether I become a Sysop or not. And as of now I'm taking a prolonged break from the wiki until you guys get your sh*t straight. 22:33, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How is one person going to revert ALL of the vandalism the wiki gets hit with? We don't even get much vandalism anymore, which is a good thing. Besides, you don't need sysop powers to revert vandalism. 22:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You still don't get it. I know I don't need sysop powers to revert. All I can do is revert. I've, at times, left messages on the IPs talk page asking them to stop and they continue, at which point no Sysops are on to block the IP, which is where I would come in. Me + Sysop powers = I'd be able to block the vandalizing IPs that show up when you other Sys's are off. 23:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't criticize me because:

I'm neutral and don't hate me for it! Sorry I took so long to reply, I have reasons. 23:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) I haven't voted.
 * 2) I probably wont.
 * 3) I would gladly support if you don't let your temper get ahead of you.
 * 4) I haven't criticized you.
 * 5) I realise that it doesn't necessarily mean you are insecure if your brother got on. You might stay logged in and your brother might get on overnight or whatever.
 * 6) I haven't gotten mad at you for your brother's actions or judged you on them.
 * 7) I will vote when this madness stops and everyone can control themselves.

As with Ilyas I haven't voted yet so if you're hoping to get some support calm down and show us the good things about you rather that saying the bad things that will happen if we don't sysop you. --Whiplash 23:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah? Well don't count on me doing anything for awhile 'cause as of right now I'm on my break and I could've sworn I said I'm giving up running for sysop 23:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So you feel it is your place to teach us a lesson? You're being very selfish right now, not to mention childish. If you don't win an RFA you quit the wiki? 23:32, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not what I said. I was currently taking a break from the wiki when I happened to accidentally refresh this page and saw what you said. I said I am taking a break from the wiki. I didn't say If I dont get sysop'd I quit. -.- Pulling all nighters for the wiki has taken alot out of me. Plus the fact that little-to-no-one seems to give a shit about me sacrificing so much for nothing at all. So as of NOW I will not post on the wiki anymore. I'm on an indefinite break until further notice. 00:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Stinkowing
I'm not sure if I'd make a good sysop...but I'm not letting that stop me from trying! I'm not as well known as Chia or Whiplash, but I'm still active (in fact, I'm planning for another Wiki-meetup soon...), and I've mainly gotten into editing my userpage and subpages, but I still make fairly decent edits to the mainspace. Though I got a bit ticked off at Total Rune's brother (for spamming about MoparScape) and the recent vandal from my school) I can still keep my cool. I will admit, though, that I am a bit nervous doing this...maybe it's because of the self-nominating thing that I'm so confused about.
 * Oppose No self nominating. 00:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If you read the conversation on the RFA talk page, you would know what's going on with that. 00:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I did. They're talking about getting rid of that self-nominating rule (that's what I interprit anyway).I don't quite understand it, though. Besides, Chia did his this way too.
 * Oppose x2 I don't care how Chia did it. He cheated. You phail. 00:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * A bit angry, are we?
 * God Dammit! 4 edit conflicts. Ok, I was saying... Not you stinkowing, I was talking to total rune. 00:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose x3 If at first you don't succeed, YOU PHAIL. =D 00:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Will you shut the hell up? Just because you didn't make it doesn't mean that you can intimidate other people and bother them. I suggest you calm down and sip some tea. If that doesn't help, just take a week or 2 away from the wiki. 00:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Who's saying I haven't made it? 00:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * *sigh* ... Whatever. 00:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * With an additude like that, Total, you DEFINITLEY won't make it. I mean no offence, but you are one heck of an angry mastodon.
 * You really think I give 2 sh*ts whether I make it or not? Hell no. 00:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

OMG. Isn't this a voting zone? Not an argue zone? Anyway Support <font color="NAVY">Syugecin <font color="RED">talk<font color="RED">contribs
 * I'm not 'upposed ta eat da legos..... =( 00:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And that has to do with what, now? (BTW, even if you WERE supposed to eat the Legos, they'd tear up your stomach...
 * Okey-dokey then.... <font color="NAVY">Syugecin [[Image:Dragon_halberd.png]]<font color="RED">talk<font color="RED">contribs and I eat legos too
 * Look! There's Syugecin! *waves* HI SYUGECIN! 00:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Woah, this is really delayed, but the no-self-nominating-rule-thing wasn't created until after I was sysoped. 02:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Whiplash
Current Votes
 * Supports - 12
 * Oppose - 4
 * Neutral - 1

I'm going to be taking a bit more of a back seat - I'll still be around just not as often, so I think we need another 'crat around. Whiplash is probably our most active checker of recent changes, contributes good content, plus is well known within the community. Nominating for Bureaucrat. -- Eucarya Talk 18:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Weak oppose. I'm not sure if we want another crat. 4 or over is enough. Cashman286 18:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC) Strong Support -- I was going to bring it up, but I have nominated a little over too many people. And we only have 2 crats (who are active). If this is true, then we only have 1! 21:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC) Oh, really? I changed my mind Support. Cashman286 21:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Support. Keep up the awesome work. 18:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Neautral. Yes, we need a new 'crat, especially if Euc is taking a back seat. And Whiplash is the best man for the job, in my opinion...but...I'm not too keen on his style, no offense. A bit too trigger happy. And just the way he says some things...While I don't really mind as an admin, beauracrats are people who hold can hold some considerable influence. Should be...well-spoken. If there's a word for what I'm trying to describe, I don't know what it is. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Mmm I see... so you're trying to say I could improve on how I react to vandalism and users for example when I say Total Rune *Spits*?

Or are you meaning identifying someone as a vandal and then blocking them without seeing consequences? --Whiplash 20:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Vim, I think I know what you're trying to say. You're looking for a high degree of professionalism, which transcends the ability to make the right decisions or have the right intentions--it involves sensitivity to others no matter what the right decision is, and the ability to maintain neutrality and formality of speech when carrying out actions.  It's really comes down to what a bureaucracy is defined as: definition here.  Is Whiplash a really effective admin?  Absolutely, no one has disputed that.  But is a Bureaucrat a unique role, or just the "next step up."  If it's a unique role, than it should have more specific requirements or desired qualities than "a good admin."  That said, I can see that Whiplash is ready to take advice, and that alone makes me say Conditional Support (the condition being the promise to allow others to contribute advice as to how he runs things).
 * Erm...Yed, that sounds like what I meant. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  21:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol sorry, I wasn't trying to put words into your mouth. That was more my opinion than what I thought you were saying I guess
 * Ok intresting, thank you I now see about 2 things that I could improve. --Whiplash 21:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not mean to oppose, you all know what my vote is, but Wikipedia is about 30-40 times bigger than us. I am aware that Wikipedia is not affiliated with us, bu they are also a wiki! And last time I checked, they had only a few crats. Take this as an example for future references that there are not to be too many crats. But who is to say that just because there are already two active crats, Whiplash does not deserve this? I think another crat would be helpful and Whiplash is just the person. 21:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait, we have Heyenaste. That will make 4 crats if Whip becomes one. 21:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Support Active member, constant checker of Recent Changes, continually reverting vandalism/blocking vandals keep up the good work! Also, as most of the other 'Crats aren't that active (no offense) another one would help. Chaoticar 04:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Um.......Ilyas, Wikipedia has several hundred times more articles than us (1,697,189 to 3,264). The reason that Wikipedia only has a few bureaucrats is because the WikiMedia Foundation doesn't trust it's crown jewel to just any contributor. They don't make strangers bureaucrats, although they will make helpful contributors into sysops. In order to be a Wikipedia bureaucrat you have to actually work for the organization. And they have very few paid employees, because almost all the content on Wikipedia is created by contributors. So you can't really compare us to them. As far as our little wiki goes, we should only need 10 bureaucrats by 2008 at our current rate of growth, and maybe 25 sysops. And Whiplash is a good choice to be one. Support. 05:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You're supposed to sign. And Wikipedia crats aren't employed by WikiMedia. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  07:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Support Does great work on the forums mantinence and other things. Even though I have been here longer... I guess he deserves this more... 11:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Super weak oppose - Not that yu're a bad contributor, I just think no because you've been here for six months. I don't think that's long enough, but hey, I'm not even an admin, maybe 6 months is enough. 22:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hyenaste joined the wiki in July 06 and was bureaucrat'd in September which means he became a crat in only 3 months :/. --Whiplash 22:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * OMG, only after 3 months? Well then, I'll change my Super weak oppose to a Neutral. 23:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Support-Another b'crat is what we need, Whiplash is a good editor, and helps a lot in the forums. ДҖ-- Huanghe63 talk 01:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Support - I think Whiplash is a good user we can trust to work in the best interests of the wiki. Avian Maid  Talk 17:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Changed my mind again. I think you should wait longer to be a crat, since you need to be ready to have all of that crat abilities. Sorry, Oppose. I just don't think you're ready. Cashman286 20:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, your opinion. Can't change that, though I do have to disagree. 14:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to get vimes' agreement before making another 'crat, as he's neutral on the nomination, I'm probably going to leave it. --[[Image:Smithingimg.PNG]] Eucarya Talk 08:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I've left. I'm not going to change my mind because I personally am never going to see any changes. Of course, you're free to judge for yourself in a later nomination if he's changed. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot  06:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Don't think you are ready..And...Too many crats. Not very good oppose but whatever.. 01:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Comments: Although Whip is an excellent admin, he has been here a relatively short time compared to many other admins that aren't crats. Takes Vimes for example. Vimes has over 5,000 total edits, and 3,000 mainspace article edits. Whip has over 3,000 total edits, and nearly 2,000 mainspace edits. I looked at a few other admins who I feel do a good job and have been here a long time, however time is not the only factor in volume of edits. Huang has a little over 600 total edits and almost 300 article edits, while Avian Main has over 1200 edits with over 800 of those being mainspace edits. This shows that Vimes and Whiplash are among our most active admins, but the bigger question, and the reason for many oppose votes to Whip's nomination, is that it is debated whether we really need another crat. A lot of negative votes in nominations for both sysop and crat gave the reason: we don't need another crat (or admin). This isn't really fair to the one nominated, because they get opposition that isn't based on their contributions or work but just because there's a lot of admins or people don't think we need another. --CRAZY IDEA ALERT!-- I've come up with a sort of election process that would help solve several issues with our adminship system, such as:
 * Rushes of nominations (the adminship fad comes to mind)
 * Many contributors being sysoped within a short amount of time
 * Admins or crats could be elected as needed, and candidates wouldn't receive negative votes because people don't want another admin.

I think (and I'm sure someone will disagree) that people should be able to start a poll when they think that we need another admin or crat. Contributors would be notified with an alert, and voting would take place. Then, if after a week or so the majority rules that another admin or crat is needed, those who are felt to be worthy candidates can be nominated. All nominees would have to agree to being nominated as usual. After another few days (gives some time for nominations), we start another poll, this time the poll is: 'Who do you think should become the new sysop/crat?'. All nominees who agreed are listed, and after another week of voting, we have our new admin/sysop!

Just for fun, not putting the system into effect, but I'll put the poll anyway so Whip can get a feel that he's not getting negative votes because of a fault on his part: Do you think we need another bureaucrat? Yes! Let's open nominations! No. There's too many as it is. The number we have now is just perfect.

The one that is about to get brutally shot down and burned (also can be recognized by his messed up signature) - 00:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Correcting my own mistake - Vimes already is a crat. So I think Whip is the best candidate if you guys think we need another crat. I voted yes in the poll, idk who voted that we already have the perfect number though. 00:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, polls may not be a good idea for something such as this... sock puppetry could become a major problem. 00:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm yeah...=/. Still, we could take a vote just not in the form of a poll. I just was suggesting a system where we only made crats or sysops based on need so we wouldn't have people nominating themselves whenever they felt like it. Anyone like/dislike my idea or have a suggestion? Also, I think we should archive this page soon, it's getting a little long. There's a few votes in progress though, so we can't archive it yet. 02:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see any reason to limit the number of sysops. --Wowbagger421 02:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not a limit... basically when someone thinks that there should be another sysop then they start a vote. If other people agree, then people are nominated and voted on, and whoever gets the most votes is made a sysop. It actually makes it easier to become a sysop, because once people agree that another sysop is needed, then whichever candidate gets the most votes will be one. At the same time, no one can be nominated unless it is voted that another sysop is needed. 03:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Support Mmm I see... so you're trying to say I could improve on how I react to vandalism and users for example when I say Total Rune *Spits*? <--Excuse you? Oh wait vandalism, okay, I know now. You mean Total Rune before I smacked my idiot brother upside the head. KK. Well Whiplash I haven't been here long, only 2 days since I beat my little bro up, but I'm gonna give you my support. 10:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Sup-port. We need new crat, and who's better to the job? 12:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Support. With one crat indicating a significant reduction in the involvement with the wiki, it seems appropriate to add another person to help out. He's got good ideas, is a good contributor and admin, so he's earned the crat title. --Miw 13:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Support - Good user, and I see no harm in another bureaucrat. 01:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Support - I'm not sure why some people are worried about another bureaucrat; you've earned it. 00:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Opp-ose - We have enough b'crats as it is. 06:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Too many? Bureaucrats are respected members of the community who we know would use good judgement. Plus, it won't exactly change his administrative duties. The more, the merrier. 07:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Administrators are also respected members of the community, and we may get too many b'crats, and eventually have our whole wiki be made up of b'crats. We'd have to say "too many" eventually, so I say "why not now?" 07:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)~
 * A whole wiki made up of trusted bureaucrats. =D Nominations for bureaucrats don't happen too often... I wouldn't expect another for a while. 07:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute Chia! How can you be oppose and neutral? And too many crats? Let's count, there are 49 (somehow) active members here, and only 3 of them are active bureaucrats. That makes like 4,5% of members into crats. I don't think we find our wiki filled with crats anytime soon. 20:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * For perspective, wikipedia has only 8 active bureaucrats out of over 4 million users. --Wowbagger421 20:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd just like to make a point. These are the powers that a bureaucrat has.


 * promote other users to administrator or bureaucrat status;
 * grant and revoke a user's bot status; and
 * rename a user account.

Sysops have powers that are useful to the average user (revert, mediawiki, etc.), but bureaucrat powers really aren't. Giving a trusted user sysop powers can benefit the wiki, but giving a user bureaucrat powers is really just a liability (see User:Shadowdancer}.  I would trust Whiplash as a crat, but he doesn't need those powers.  --Wowbagger421 21:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

No referances to Shadowdancer please. --Whiplash 21:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Like I said, I trust you, but it does show what can happen.  I'm not protesting against you become an a crat (I haven't even voted yet).  I just don't want people to think that once you've been active for long enough you get to become one.  Sysop should be like that, but bureaucrat shouldn't. --Wowbagger421 21:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes that is understandable. :) --Whiplash 21:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Whiplash has shown he deserves this. It is not only that he has been here for a while, but that he is very active, makes very good edits, has a large presence in our community and can be trusted with these powers. What happened with Shadow, however much I may want to avoid that, is probably very rare. I don't think that this has happened, if not 2, more than 5 times EVER on any wiki. Think about it, a sysop abusing their powers and blocking people for random reasons... I don't think Whiplash would do that. My vote remains Support. 23:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What did Shadow even do??? Why has no one told me??? 01:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No one's really told anyone... I found out by doing some digging around. =/ 01:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Sacre, will you be nice enough to tell me? 01:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Shadowdancer was a great contributor to our wiki he did much of the earlier editing, however to those of you that remember couchpotato99. Couch engaged Shadowdancer in an edit war on the bolts page eventually this lead to a climax where Shadowdancer banned everyone on the wiki. After this he lost his sysop powers and some nost saying names treat him as an exile from the wiki. He quit RuneScape back in February 2007 due to a variety of things. --Whiplash 13:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * He is also the founder of The CVU thing. Shadow quit in February 2007? I thought that he was long gone by then. 15:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, he quit RuneScape in february. 15:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Shadow was a truly superb editor, a fantastic content contributor, and used to revert vandalism and things. He was an ideal candidate for being an admin.  BUT, he didn't get on with anyone, it wasn't just couchpotato he engaged in edit and flame wars, it was almost every other contributor to the wiki.   He lived by the Flamer's Bible.  There were several concurrent campaigns to get his adminship revoked at one stage, which culminated in him reacted badly and trying to block every other contributor to the wiki at the time, needless to say his adminship rights were stripped and himself blocked. --Eucarya Talk 11:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought this was a nomination for Whiplash as a Bureaucrat. :O 13:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It is. --Whiplash 14:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It is? From my angle of view this has turned to discussion about Shadowdancer. I think we should end this soon, isn't 16 votes enough? :O And by the way I turn my Support to Very Strong Support. I really think we need another crat when Vimes has left the wiki. 13:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

What're you talking about, Vimes hasn't left. He is merely editing less often. 19:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * But he told me so at the bottom of this page: User talk:Vimescarrot/Active users Hmm... Maybe it was a lie? 20:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I would still like to get Vimes' support on Whiplash's cratship. As it is, he's neutral.  If I don't get a positive vote from him by mid-may, and we don't receive any more negative nominations here, I think I'll make Whiplash a bureaucrat. --Eucarya Talk 23:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That's the right thing to do! ;) 11:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose Read my nomination thing. Not very nice to be laughing at a nominee, and yet you want to be a B-crat. Well you just screwed yourself out of a vote buddy. Real smart. 19:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. If Vimescarrot

is really going to leave the wiki, then we should have another active Bureaucrat. Whiplash has done a lot and deserves it. Dtm142 20:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Since Whip laughed at Total Rune, I say 100.1% oppose in an effort to heal Total's emotional wounds (if they haven't already.). 20:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Vote for me and Don't feed the Tz-TokJad! Like the band Hinder said in their song "Get Stoned"; "If it's not perfect, I'll perfect it 'til my heart explodes".

If your wondering why I laughed look ath this sentance. --Whiplash 21:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)