User talk:Robert Horning

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spirit of the law, or letter of the law?
Hey, I notice you have really good insight to things on this wiki, and would value your thoughts on this subject. On the article Trade limit there is a section telling players how to work around the limit, which I feel really goes against the spirit of the rules. There is a discussion on that articles talk page, but it could really use a few more voices. --Degenret01 13:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Hey, I appreciate you being the only neutral party in this whole thing. I really appreciate how you haven't jumped off the handle at me so to speak like Atlandy and Christine have. Truthfully, I think Atlandy gets pleasure out of posting so called "facts" about me and how I've apparently been banned from other sites and such, and also that Christine is abit stuck-up sometimes. You and Chiafriend12, you both have stayed neutral and I respect and thank you for that.

If Atlandy can't take the fact that I had a change of heart after thinking about what I did and regretting it all, then he's got some problems. Same goes for Christine.

As for Earthere, his comments of my cockiness, and then how my tone changes from post to post is complete grade A bull. I try to sound as professional as possible. It's just who I am. But apparently I'm a cocky fool who's full of myself.

Anywhoo, I've kind of strayed off the path here. I thank you for your neutrality in this70.49.204.107 00:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Please dont worry
While I understand your concern, I have never flamed anyone in my year plus at the wiki. I was offering Total some alternatives and other avenues to express himself. I enjoy his banter and candid wit and wanted to make sure that all of the newer wikians saw, after someone disagreeing with him, how bigoted and downright mean he can be. Call it "baiting",if you want, but better to see his true colours before everybody welcomes him back with open arms. Thank yyou for your concerns thoughCheers! Atlandy 14:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. I just don't want to see this episode kill the project is all.... and I've seen that kind of reaction from other wikis in the past.  --Robert Horning 14:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I am an adult, and editing passes the time for me. Like you, I do not want one person to ruin everything we worked on by using racial slurs and scaring people away.  I was here when he was in the past, and his hateful, bigoted, overly sexual remarks made many people mad and others quit.  I would hate to lose so many dedicated editors because of one person [[Image:Drunk Dragon.PNG|Drunk dragon]]Cheers! Atlandy 14:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

...What..?
If you look at what Total said, and what I said, I've not done anything he accused me of. I did nothing to "fly off the handle." I was fine this time around. I did nothing wrong. If you wanted me to keep up with what I've done in the past, I'm sure I would've deserved a block for personal attacks. I don't understand the message you left me, as you didn't really say anything in it. What were you trying to tell me, exactly? Christine 15:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, please don't remove discussions from my talk page, no matter how senseless they may sound. I nearly didn't see the message because you reverted it then edited my page, therefore I did not see his contribution, and how would you know if I wanted to answer him or not? I'm sure you know about RuneScape:Don't delete discussions. Christine 15:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It was still my page, and I didn't see anything wrong with the comment that was left there. The other comments were made afterwards, and there wasn't anything offensive in that one. That guy PMed me in-game before the whole Total Rune blowout, and I know he's not associated with him at all. You still haven't explained your message. You said I didn't do anything wrong, so what was the point of even leaving me a message to begin with? Christine 16:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I was doing ¬.¬ Christine 17:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Azliq7's calculators
User:Azliq7 Made some calculators, i think they are not "complete" enough to be called a calculator..

Check it out..

06:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

check contribs
i hav been on different IP addresses these days after your PB, i think that now you can check my contribs on this ip and then you can say have i changed or not, cheers, 87.194.75.159 19:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC) (known as the Now banned user:btzkillerv)

Wikilinking
I got this from the Style Guide under the Wikilinking section:
 * Use efficient link formats, especially for plurals. For example, do lobsters instead of lobsters .

Just thought you might want to know this. 13:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Maple longbow cost analysis
Hi,

Surely this analysis is missing the cost of the bow strings? I see that the analysis for Yew_longbows does include it, though Magic_longbows again does not... -- 21:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

new welcome box
i'd like your opinion of this new welcome box (it needs editing) from wikipedia, i think that this can be used here on RS wiki

cheers, 87.194.75.159 19:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC) (also known as the now banned user:btzkillerv

Level 99 skills
Hmm, looking through a few different revisions in the History, I noticed that Zezima's name was among the ones that I changed, but looking at it today, the name was Zonghui. I haven't any references other than looking at some history of the page. upon further investigation, Zonghui and Zezima have both had their names for all CB skill 99, and seems zezima was prominent in 99 atk, str, and hp. If it is incorrect, feel free to revert it, I was just putting it back to what I had seen before. 01:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC) Well thanks for pointing it out, it's back to the correct state now. Seems I've been rather stupid today, on many subjects. 01:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

offensive personal attack on my talk
blankothe3rd has come and done his damage, im typing this through gritted teeth and im goddamn flared up, this idiot has come and attacked me just because of a language difference that i knows and he dosent, man i can't wait to punch that goddamn ***-**-*-*****, and i am sure you can appreciate how enraged i am and not being to give him double the cusses he threw at me Btzkillerv 16:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Strength article and vandal report
Hi Robert, thank you for letting me know, as I admit there was some minor mis-perception on my part. Thank you also for the advice, as it will come to good use in the future. Constructive criticism FTW! =) 06:14, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:DateDiff
I've just created Template:DateDiff to calculate the date/time difference between two different dates. This template could prove to be useful in the future, especially where dates need to be compared.

Some uses I can think of:
 * Displaying age (in days).
 * Displaying period between 2 dates (days/months/years) - months and years can be calculated with simple Math formulae.
 * Displaying number of days since the GE price was updated - I'm going to implement this in Template:ExchangeItem.

I don't know if this template already exists in this wiki, but I've already searched and didn't find anything similar. If it exists, please let me know.

06:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Vandalism of user pages
I see what you are saying. I tend to do thing cronologically and since I was in a hurry, I didn't check wheather the edits were not vandalism. Thank you for pointing that out. I'll try to check that more often when I edit. Thanks, 14:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit intro for Exchange pages
I hope I didn't do any damage moving GEMW\Edithelp to Template:ExchangeItemHelp. I would like to add that when users clicked "edit this page" directly on an Exchange page, this "editintro" does not appear. To append the link to the "editintro" this, I've come up with a JavaScript code that could be added to Mediawiki:Common.js. I haven't tested it, but I think it should work. The code is as follows:-

addOnloadHook(function { if (wgCanonicalNamespace == "Exchange" && document.getElementById('ca-edit')) {    var editLinks = document.getElementById('ca-edit').getElementsByTagName('a')    if (editLinks.length > 0) {      editLinks[0].href += '&editintro=Template:GEPriceUpdateGuide'    }  } });

This will add the "editintro" link to the "edit this page" page, eliminating the need of having. 16:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

RE Yew Grove Topic Poll Vote
Great post and I so agree with you. I gotta be honest ere i read it about 10 times, took that long for it all to sink in. Your so good with words where i have a huge difficulty putting what i want to say in words. I tip my bonnet to you.

Reyna Jane 06:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

RE: Wiki-newspaper Redux
You, sir, are very right. The GEMW may have started with people wanting to kill it off immediately, but look where it is now! Prominent and very useful. 00:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about that accidental rollback, I was checking the history and accidentally clicked it. 22:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was checking to make sure the price was correct, and ended up clicking rollback on accident. 22:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Offer
Hello Robert,

I have watched the discussions about the classified info policy. From what I have seen of you, I would be interested to know you better. Feel free to visit my userpage. Wejer   14:05, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for reading and commenting my userpage. Happy holidays to you! Wejer   18:45, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year!!!!!!!!
00:28, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Animations answer

 * Omg... Gosh. Do you have any converter from Wmv to Gif? That's so sophisticated. -- 15:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Newspaper - random thought
I saw the discussion on the Runescape newspaper - very exciting! I don't know if this would help or not, but Wikia recently launched a collaborative blog tool, that lets many people write their own blog posts in one place (think more magazine than newspaper) but maybe it would help. If you're interested, you can see it here: http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Blog:Recent_posts  If the group wants one, we're happy to turn it on. If not, sorry for the bother color="Blue">Gil (color="Blue" size="1">talk) 07:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Looking forward to working with you
Hello. I know we've briefly spoken a couple times (here on your talk page and on the Yew Grove) but I was just dropping by to say hi and that I'm looking forward to working with you as a fellow admin. 04:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Exchange Categories
Where do these live in the exchangeItem template now? Rich Farmbrough, 22:00 9 January 2009 (GMT).
 * They are found in two places:


 * Template:ExcgDefault - where the "default" display characteristics of the Exchange pages now lives
 * Template:ExchangeItem/doc - where you should put category information about the template itself


 * I'll try to respond on your user page as well. I am presuming that you want to impact what categories are linked to individual exchange pages, such as items that haven't been updated for more than 30 days?


 * I hope this helps --Robert Horning 01:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks. There's a mediawiki bug/unfeature which means you can't page through categories with more than 200 items bearing the same key. I put a tie break in the sort order of the chronological category. BTW I implemented a rune trip calculator based on the one you were load testing the template with. Rich Farmbrough, 07:06 10 January 2009 (GMT).

Your username
Could you tell me your RuneScape username so I can rank you in R S Wikia? 02:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Scientific notation
Hey. I have a question about the GEMW view price thing. I am making a calculator (here) and some of the GE prices keep on going into scientific notation. I don't know what does it since it seems to change from the regular number to scientific notation and back again every few days. I don't know how it is happening so i thought you would be the person most likely to know since you made most of the GEMW.

Thanks User talk  Evil Yanks  Contribs  07:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Power abuse
You should not be posting to a discussion that has already been protected and no one else can add to. Christine 18:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:Click
I was messing around with this template and it appears to be working. Is this how you envisioned this template working? If so, I think it's a great addition to our toolbox here. Please let me know if this is right. Thanks, 11:21, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

10M/hr
I was reading the discussion about the Money Making Metric, and I read that you were able to make 10M in one hour under abnormal circumstances. This has sparked my curiosity and I am wondering if you could tell me. Lewa15151515 07:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Store Survey
I felt that the Yew Grove was the wrong place to raise attention to something. 11:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * At the top of Forum:Yew Grove:


 * To list an on-going discussion, use the RuneScape:Requests for comment directory.


 * Sheesh. 13:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Do whatever you want, I'm not interested in this anymore. 13:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

RE: RS Shop Item database
See User:Azliq7/StoreData.

The store data is kinda comma-delimited. If you want it formatted another way, please tell me. It is fairly easy for me to reformat the data output since they are stored in an Excel worksheet. 06:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Poof
In other words, they are going "Poof" and "creating" thousands or even millions of items and putting them into the Grand Exchange with just a couple button clicks.

Well, I do quite a bit of merchanting, so I'm very interested in this. How did you find this out? 11:23, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Dubious username
Are usernames such as Mod cole allowed? This account was recently created, and I don't believe names such as this should be allowed unless they can demonstrate proof that they are a Jagex moderator (which I highly doubt is possible in this case, because I've never seen any "Mod Cole" on the forums). 21:22, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Vandal attack
I think there's an organized vandal attack starting up. Lots of pages are being blanked and there's a lot of strange unholy foreign squiggles. Its scary. Anyways you might want to check the CVU out. 00:19, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

RSWP
Hi, Robert. I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or arguing against me about the paper, but I completely agree with your comments. 13:39, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Video-Making Channels
Hello Robert, could you please move RuneScape:RuneScape Video-Making Channels to be one of your user subpages while you're doing what it is you're trying to do. Per RS:PLAYERS.-- 01:54, September 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I've been trying to think of where it could be moved to for now...
 * Mainspace/Talk-No
 * RuneScape/Talk-No, this tends to be a bit more for policies and officical pages. This seems a bit personal.
 * User-Yes, though under whose page? Perhaps Jek Nexus, since it is his work.
 * User talk-No
 * Exchange/talk-No
 * Update-No
 * Forum-Possible, however, I can't think of an acceptable rationale outside of discussing it.

Looking at the options, I feel it would be more appropriate for the time being to place it under Jex's subpages. I'll give him the link on his talkpage.-- 00:27, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Profitable High Alchemy
FYI, I've updated the profitable high alchemy table layout.

The only way I could do it was to use the 'surrogate' template method of the DPL. By using the 'suffix' of "/HighAlchTable" means that the template for formatting the rows becomes Template:ExchangeItem/HighAlchTable. The overall table is in Template:Profitable High Alchemy so it can be included in other places (including user pages).

What I have noticed is that Jagex has not completely removed lower limits, but have dropped them to 400 coins below the high alch value. This makes it easier spotting some "suspicious" high alch values that are close or above the current value by looking at the live GE to see if there is a hard limit 400 coins below the claimed high alch value (where hard limits are identified by market-min < 5%).

I did notice that the Template:ExcgDefault is currently using Template:Natprice, which is 'hard coded' to 269 at the moment. I think this was changed to avoid circular dependancies. Do you know if the bot that updates the GE prices could also update Template:Natprice as a special case, or do we just need to periodically update it manually ourselves?

11:14, September 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not very good at descriptive text, but I've put a few sentences in the documentation for the Template:Profitable High Alchemy that might help. 15:59, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Oops!
I inadvertently ruined the Video-Making page while trying to update it. Undoing the changes didn't work for some reason. I was wondering if you could revert it and then teach me how to properly update it? :) 17:43, September 27, 2009 (UTC) Someone reverted it for me! I just need to know how to update it without ruining it this time XD 18:14, September 27, 2009 (UTC) Those are very excellent ideas! I wish I could hop on to each one of them and do some brainstorming and put it into action, but I am very busy atm with school and I am also very eager to work on a few video ideas I've been delaying for a long time. I hope the Wiki will not mind if I simply keep it as is for a while, just updating it, and then expand and promote it later. I'm very pleased the Wiki has taken interest, I was quite worried that even with the benefit of increased traffic the Wiki would consider it as something that doesn't quite belong :S  21:34, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Your user name
Do you mind if I ask what your RS user name is? Do you use King Korihor, or is there another account that you use more often? And are you ever in the wiki clan chat? 22:01, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * King Korihor has been my "main", but I've been having fun testing out some low-level training techniques for F2P (in part to help out the wiki, in part to just see how much this game has changed with some of the updates). One of the account names I've been on quite a bit with lately has been "Sir Prizalot".


 * I'll be honest, I'm itching to get back to my King Korihor account, so I may have to go there... and yeah, I'll be on the clan chat more if I do that. King Korihor is high enough level that I have to grind real hard to raise his levels, so he isn't quite so much fun.... other than to smash the heck out of stuff when I'm feeling violent or try out new member-only quests.  --Robert Horning 03:56, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Hey hey...
... Don't forget about this! It could be a good article, but so far, it's got nothing, so I just want to tell you not to forget about it! -- 20:50, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well then! I finished editing it, and I must say, that was a lot of writing! It was pretty good, and it has been approved. Remember, though, to italicize RuneScape and capitalise the S. Also, please try not to use abbreviations, unless it sounds wrong without them.(Examples: 'IMO', 'GE', 'AFK', or 'RWT') Thanks for contributing though! Also, I think that idea about an economics coloumn sounds pretty good. Good luck with that! -- 20:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. Arch your talk. At 74 sections, its beyond too long.
 * P.P.S. I apologize for using 'Arch' as a verb. I have shoved a tomato in my face as a suitable punishment..

Re:Armour data etc. etc.
I realize that it may not be the most crucial project the Wiki could begin, but I firmly believe that the benefits of greatly reduced work in creating armour set pages would justify it, especially when much of the work can be done by bots. Almost every single equipable item has an infobox. That infobox has a rigid structure that can be easily interpreted by a bot. Quarenon already has a script that interprets the data from infoboxes for use in the compare tool, so starting with that script its just one step to pasting it somewhere. I really see little actual work from wiki editors. While it may not be useful apart from pages like Morrigan's Equipment or Saradomin armour set, it would be a great tool for users who want to build armour sets for personal use. Not only that, but once we have every item's stat in a fixed and formal database, we could make a table that lists every platebody in the game and sorts them by stats or something like that. Equipment is a huge part of the game, and stats make the equipment what it is. Although the applications might not be readily apparent right now, such a database would make any kind of project involving stats really easy. 02:24, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Randomised "Featured article" and "Featured user" sections
Sure, if you insist... I was actually planning to start randomising beginning this month, but if the previous featured articles were included, it would be great. Thanks! We might also need to modify the project page for AOTM to reflect the changes in the system. 20:50, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Store survey question
Hi, Robert,

I'm trying to update the table on the Moon Clan Fine Clothes, page but the Moonclan armour isn't available on the GE and so seems to mess up the table. You can see the table here: User:Horsehead/Article, at top. Am I doing something wrong? Does the table need to be tweaked? Should I be using another table? Thanks for your help. 12:59, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Interesting.... I certainly didn't anticipate this happening, where an NPC shop would sell something that is untradable. Usually such items are a one-time item obtained through special means or via a quest type action.


 * We have two options available, and I'm not really sure which is better: Creating exchange item pages for these kind of items that lists the trade price as N/A or something similar, or creating a new template structure that applies to shops of this nature.  I suppose we could also simply just construct a unique table just for this shop, too.


 * Hmmm.... let me thing about this one. --Robert Horning 13:10, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. Thank you for your help. Let me know which approach we should take. 13:33, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer to stick with the existing template, as that can be updated to reflect changes across all shops, but we do need some alternative for now. I updated your sandbox page with a suggested alternative table you can use for now.  This at least copes with this immediate article, but we should be looking for a more general solution to similar kinds of shops.  I'll give that some more thought on how we can approach this issue, and perhaps take the issue up to the larger community.  --Robert Horning 14:13, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you. It looks great. I'll add the table now. 14:14, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Fighting trolls
Thanks! You also might want to archive your talk page; it's 95 kilobytes long. -- 00:44, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Adam Smith clan
If you want me to, I'd love to take a leadership position in the Adam Smith clan. The whole idea of a clan that positively manipulates the Grand Exchange to everyone's benefit seems fantastic, and I wish I'd thought of it. How do you intend to go about being able to buy pizzas, black armour, vials of water, etc? Setting up a thread on the RSOF for trade of this kind? I'll donate as much of my funds as I can (which isn't much, to be honest), and I'll help in any way possible. 02:22, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd love to help too, and I'd be willing donate as much of my time and money as necessary. But I'm not the kind of guy who leads, really. I'm more of a doer: I get an idea, and I try to work to make it possible. 07:15, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Horning, I would like to join your clan, I think it is a great idea and I will donate my funds (rather modest currently) and my effort. -- 14:25, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Greetings, General Horning. I would like to join this clan. I wanna make a difference, possibly lead, and stay within the rules of Runescape (and NOT manipulate prices)-- 22:33, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Antimatter
I completely "agree" with you there. 07:58, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Forum:Inflation Mesurement
After reading Forum:Inflation Mesurement, I wanted to ask you something about the RS economy. Forgive my incompetence/ignorance if I'm wrong in the following statements as I only took one paper in basic economics.

Inflation, as far as I know, is a rise of the prices of items/services/etc. in an economy over a duration of time. When the price of an item increases, the purchasing ability of the currency drops and we end up buying less with the same amount of currency. For example, yesterday the price of item A was 4 coins, so with 100 coins, I could buy 25 items. Today, the price increases to 5 coins, so I can only buy 20 items. With the same amount of money I end up buying less items, because the price of item A has increased/inflated.

To measure inflation, generally the price index is used (i.e. our Common Trade Index). For example, comparing last year's CTI (110) and this year's CTI (165, as of 1 November), the "annual" percentage rate inflation "throughout" 2009 is: (165-110)/110 = 50%.

And since the gold coin is a currency and not an item, how do you measure the inflation of the gold coin? (The user states that the gold coin has inflated by 6% since last year.) And since RS only uses gold coins as the trading currency, could we measure the inflation/deflation of the gold coin?

Any thoughts? 08:24, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Adam Smith Clan
User:Adam Smith Clan and it's associated talk page and subpages have been moved to User:Robert Horning/Adam Smith Clan, as the user was a sockpuppet, although you never used it abusively. If you don't think this is right, it has been done before, it's simply a security measurement. I hope you don't mind. 14:44, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, by the way, can I join your clan?  14:46, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * In fairness, there is nothing wrong with having multiple accounts or even being a sock puppet. The problem comes from using the sock puppet and pretending that it may be another user.... as a means to influence opinion.  I don't see the security problem either... unless you believe that the account is somehow going to be compromised and somebody is going to make edits to this wiki using that account without my authorization.  To me, the security rationale fails.


 * I'm not going to wheel war on this issue, but there is a strong reason for my putting this onto another user page than my own. I don't want to "own" this clan, and I'd like to have a neutral page that doesn't seem dominated by a single user.  I'd love to see clans welcome to set up a page on this wiki without having to go to the clans wiki.  Yes, I know that this is going against the grain of how things tend to be done here, and this is my way of pushing back.  I also wanted to use the GEMW data in some clan-specific projects, which is why I'd like to be associated with this wiki.


 * I wish that this action had not occurred, and I will fight to have it changed back.... eventually. It was not done via consensus, nor based upon any policy or approval other than your own whim.  At least a simple warning or a request to understand why this was done could have been made first.  That this didn't happen, I'm not pleased at all.  It was unnecessary.  --Robert Horning 15:30, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * No ill feelings at all. (sorry it's such a short reply, my brain is kind of mush from all the mindless running around and shooting people and capturing flags and what-not) 23:10, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Resistance to GEMW?
I saw on the clan thread that there was resistance to the GEMW project when you first proposed it... why?? Its a really good idea I think... I simply don't see what problem anyone could have had with it 06:12, November 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * The resistance came from a couple of issues. Mostly, there were several who thought I wouldn't finish a project this huge in order to get it working, or if I didn't keep contributing that it would die and have to be deleted by the admins... making a mess on the wiki.  It was a big deal in terms of getting volunteers to help contribute to keeping the prices up to date, but ultimately the player community came though and has been very supportive in the end.  Even without bots to automate the price updates, we did a pretty good job of keeping the prices relatively current... give or take about a month between price checks on items not so commonly reviewed.


 * Another issue that came up was with the issue of storing GEMW data in templates to be used elsewhere. This was such a strange idea that some users, particularly admins, simply didn't even know what to make of it.  Some felt that this data should be simply left on individual item pages, and certainly there were many that thought this should be named as "Templates" in the template namespace.  Apparently the issue of namespaces has come up again, causing even further issues.


 * Let's just say that the thought did come through my mind to simply abandon the GEWM and request to delete the whole thing after the first few days of trying to get it going due to the resistance I was receiving. I'm glad I stuck through that initial shock of seeing a project of this nature and remained persistent.  --Robert Horning 12:54, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmph. Guess some people don't like to make waves. Me, I like surfing (metaphorically). Anyways, are names like User:RuneGeneral.com allowed...? It seems like it would fall under the jurisdiction of website advertising, however User:Star Find falls under the jurisdiction of clan advertising, but I certainly wouldn't consider banning that account. 21:52, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Merchanting
Hey. I decided I'm going to have a crack at the art of merchanting, although I am very confused. Some people have said your quite an expert on the topic. What do you think about merchanting, and what are the basics? I have had a read of the Merchanting guide but find it kind of "incomplete" or "confusing". Also, I believe "Flipping" is the best method, so that it the one I am most interesting. You don't have to write an explanation for me if you don't want to; I know you get very busy sometimes! Cheers, 08:00, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your great guide! I am sure it will come in handy when I am merchanting. It must've taken you some time! What items do you recommend to merchant. I only have ~1m right now. Thanks. Also, take a look at Talk:Upcoming updates, and reply if you want. Cheers, 11:54, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Clans are in
After Forum:Blocking_advertising_accounts_-_Clarification it would be difficult for anyone to say no clans allowed here. Guess that makes it official. --Degenret01 08:42, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Block help
Hey Robert, User_talk:Fruit.Smoothie was blocked for violation of our UTP and some how User:Tedjuh10 is unable to edit as a result of this block. Any idea how to set things to allow Tedjuh back in?--Degenret01 00:54, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ted linked to this [] as explaining it, I am not technically proficient in comps so I don't know if it is that or they are brothers or sharing a school comp. Thanks for the help.--Degenret01 01:10, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Unstrung Symbols.
I don't really have any inside knowledge, but I posted that because that was how I got to level 40-with minimal loss of cash. At that time Unstrung symbols were even more expensive. I can hypothesise several things: 1. People are buying them and casting "string amulet" to train magic with them. This would be unusual though...unless unstrung amulets are never sold. 2. People are...um...buying them and stringing them for crafting xp? 3. Ungstrung Symbol is a...quest item? People normally string them because they are rare? I have noticed they always sold fairly quickly when I sold them. 4. Perhaps they were simply merchanted at some point and, being slightly rare, were kept at that price.

To be honest, however, these are very basic ideas and they have very little backing. I just know what happens, not why. -- 14:27, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

YOu could always put one of those things in that automatically updates the GE price at medium. I'm not sure how it's done though. Gaz Lloyd does them, calculators....there is an example of one on the Pie shell page. -- 11:23, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Unblocked Special:Contributions/Necatur15
I just unblocked Special:Contributions/Necatur15 whom you blocked on 29 November. I checked his last 15 edits and he had one stupid/vandal edit but all his others looked ok. I hope I didn't miss something major, but I always want the original blocker to know when I unblock someone. He requested a block review, I wasn't just fishing around. If I goofed please let me know, thanks.--Degenret01 10:52, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently he just went and got rude in the Clan chat so Wowbagger moved the block to two weeks. Some kids just don't get it I guess.--Degenret01 11:11, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Hello there.

Not to interrupt but there seems to be something wrong with the format of the quest details in fremennik trials. Thank you

- necatur15
 * I fixed it. 08:40, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Deleting Forum:A Message from Total Rune
And what of RS:DDD? Also, with regards to the comment "as this was clearly added by a troll.", you weren't referring to Diriz, were you? 03:56, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

This automated newsletter message was sent by QBot on 01:14, December 9, 2009 (UTC).

Re: Undo without summary
Thanks, I placed it in RuneScape:Rollback examples which every person requesting Rollback should hopefully read. It isn't the greatest piece of writing ever. I will also like to take this opportunity to say Hello, since I don't think I have ever really talked to you before apart from in debate/arguments. So hello  06:17, December 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem. You are certainly welcome too!  --Robert Horning 10:45, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

The Map Update
i updated the map because that section was for "world map" i do have a good place for the old map thoe, at the bottom in a gallery, this is why i updated it, no many player want to see the old map, most new maps. --   Parsonsda  Talk | Sign Here   18:15, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Map
there load of changes with this map, i used my the in game map, and took multi screen shot of it to make it. --   Parsonsda  Talk | Sign Here   20:19, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

RSMV
How are you progressing in the attempt to create an alternative model viewer? I was wondering if you managed unpacking the cache files yet?

I am interested because I want to know if there are music files stored in the cache. Jagex used to store music tracks as separate MIDI files, but now it is no longer stored this way. I believe they are now streamed live because it takes a while to load a new track. But once it is loaded in-game, it doesn't take as long, so I'm guessing the tracks are stored in the cache once it is loaded. Also, when you are playing each track in sequence, the cache size increases. So this is an indication that the music tracks are stored somehow. All my previous attempts to discover and decode these files were futile.

Let me know once you manage to unpack the cache files. 15:15, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas Robert!
 Merry Christmas to you, ^_^! A time for c o o k i e s, love, snow , trees , and all the rest. Your fellow Wikian, 01:52, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

RSWP
So, you want me to make and editorial?? I can make one in 2 weeks tops. I'll start soon. 04:42, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Style Guide
I added a section on Academic language to the style guide talk page, which i would be interested in someone taking a look at. I've somehow gotten the impression that you wanted the guide updated, thus i tell you about it here. If my memory fails me, and someone else wanted it updated, just ignore this :D --Tortilliachp 06:52, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Illegal
I think the term was used correctly. Seen ya wanted to drop the convo on the model viewer but thought you would want to discuss the word. 2nd one down. That applies to this doesn't it? 14:36, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * Illegal is implying that you are going to be arrested or have some substantial legal problems. I simply disagree with this interpretation, and using what I think is a scare tactic to convince folks that this is an immoral thing to do in terms of even looking at an image that comes from a model viewer.  Jagex does not want folks poking around inside their code.... I can buy that.  On an official forum, they can and perhaps rightly so discourage players from using software that unpacks their models... as there are often less than honorable people who do write this kind of software and add "extra stuff" that can cause other problems.  This said, I think this use of the word "illegal" is deliberately making a mountain out of a mole hill.  --Robert Horning 19:59, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

However, in the legal terms of the word, as the coding of runescape is not open source, manipulation with the coding IS illegal. Due to English law concerning intellectual property, any person purchasing an English product, or agreeing to its terms may be sued in England for its maluse. Thus, just as file-sharing is illegal, although some find it morally acceptable, this IS illegal, and prone to persecuting if misused, just as password scammers have been apprehended in the past. --Tortilliachp 21:07, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * The manipulation of the code is not illegal. The distribution of the contents to a 3rd party is what can be construed as illegal.... which is something completely different.  Some (but not all.... please note that too) file sharing is illegal because you have been distributing content without the copyright owner's permission.  Keyloggers and phishing websites are illegal because they are accessing physical equipment without permission, and compromising bonafide security systems.  Don't confuse the issue here.


 * The issue with the model viewer has none of these illegal aspects, and this is a fallacious argument being made here in terms of guilt by association. I am asserting that the association of using a model viewer has absolutely nothing to do with any of these illegal actions, and that using the model viewer, or even writing a model viewer, is not illegal.  This use of the word "illegal" is flat out wrong and should not be used.  It is not illegal, and the very word "illegal" is being used in a wrong context.


 * You are certainly permitted to scan the content of your own computer system and to inspect the content of any and all files that happen to show up on there. That is all that a model viewer does.  It doesn't access Jagex servers, or in any way publish Jagex software beyond reasonable "interoperability" guidelines that are legitimate reverse engineering principles.  --Robert Horning 14:17, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

your user page
starter is mispelled as started

good day to you sir! 21:41, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * Read it a bit more carefully. --Robert Horning 14:18, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * O_O i give up is it supposed to be "as i started"?

Update your userpage!
"the Grand Exchange Market Watch, which I hope will eventually become a major feature of this Wiki."

As far as I know, it already is a major feature of the wiki

Happy New Year, 16:05, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Old Suggestion
I just wanted to let you know that I posted an update to a suggestion you made a few months ago at Template talk:Infobox Item. -- 07:08, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

>=|
I had no such intention of being spoiled. The blogs were just a simple idea, not a request for a present !!

02:06, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

>=|
I had no such intention of being spoiled. The blogs were just a simple idea, not a request for a present mind you !!

02:06, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Not-so-profitable High Alchemy
I really like the Template:Profitable_High_Alchemy page you made, but I cannot figure out how it works to make my own version with changes, such as listing all items within 50 gp of their alchemy value. I've made a page here with details on what I want it to do. It seems to be basing it only on if the item is in Category:Profitable Alchemy Items, which automatically updates in a way I do not understand. If the high-alchemy template had the price comparison directly, as I thought it might have been, then it would be as simple as changing  to. Anyway, is there a tutorial or guide somewhere to making automatically-updating categories? --MarkGyver 03:15, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks the dynamic page list information. I've poked around and looked at the templates referenced by the templates.  I found that the automagic categorization is done in Template:ExcgDefault on line number 25.  It looks like it should be easy enough to change that page to add all items priced below their alchemy value to a new category and then compute it from there.  I'll be experimenting with trying to understand the syntax on subpages of my user page for the next few days and then I should have a reasonable suggested change that shouldn't break everything.  Once I have things mostly figured out, I'll start a Yew Grove discussion about the change. --MarkGyver 03:16, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Please be careful
It looks like you deleted my comment in the YG discussion here. I'm pretty sure this this was an accident due to an edit conflict on a busy thread. I added a similar comment further down the thread that says a similar thing (since I noticed my comment missing) so there's no need to replace the comment. Please do try to be careful though, I'm sure you know not everyone double checks their own comments after posting. Especially since this seems to be quite a contested issue. I just wanted to give you a heads up. 05:41, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. I figured it was an accident and we're all human so no big deal.  You strike me as thoughful and well-meaning all the times that I've run into you and an accident doesn't change that. Cheers!  18:56, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Contacting Jagex
How exactly did you contact them? I wish to ask them for permission, as it is our only reasonable choice except for deleting the offending content. I don't consider ignoring it altogether, per my response here, to be reasonable. 05:22, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I contacted Jagex via the official forums, and in particular on the thread of the official forums that concerned fan websites. I made it quite clear to Mod Hohbein that I was an administrator here on the RS Wiki, mentioned a specific webpage here that he could verify that fact (where my RS account name is tied to my RSWiki account name), and I posted a rather strongly worded and biting question that simply couldn't be ignored or easily dismissed.  At that point, he responded.  You could certainly contact Jagex in that manner, and it is something that Jagex seems likely to respond to in terms of asking for clarification of what Jagex would consider for permission for content that fansites could "borrow" or use.


 * It is possible to also contact Jagex via snail mail, which for something like this might just get a better response anyway. The address:

Jagex Ltd. St. John's Innovation Centre Cowley Road Cambridge CB4 0WS United Kingdom


 * Since this is a business development idea, they also give the e-mail address of "business@jagex.com", but I'd still suggest sending a message the old fashioned way on paper if you want to present something in a more professional manner and make your case for Jagex to consider giving permission to use some of the content of their game. Include electronic contact information on the reply area, even if you send a snail mail request.  This should include your RS account name, so they can send information via the internal Jagex message system too.  --Robert Horning 08:49, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think snail mail would be better too. I will have a letter sent out tomorrow, but of course I have no idea how long a response may take. 08:53, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * May I ask where this online forum post is? Or let me guess, Hohbein hid it.  09:01, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * The best thread in terms of contacting Jagex about fansite questions is this one: http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?14,15,293,59239903


 * It is closely followed by Mod Hohbein, and as long as it is directly related to the topic of fansite relations, a well thought out post may get a response. Keep in mind we are already behind the 8-ball, so to say, as we aren't even a recognized fansite yet.  Still, it would get some sort of response from Jagex if you posted a query on that thread about some copyright questions.


 * You can also try to post a question on the Jagex Lite subsection of the forums, as that particular section gets more j-mod attention than some other sections of the official forums. A general question about copyright is certainly a legitimate topic for that particular sub-section as well, and might get some interesting responses from the player community as well.  --Robert Horning 09:18, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. Although I was actually wondering which thread you contacted Jagex on  09:29, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * It was the fansite moderation thread I listed above. The exchange I had with Mod Hohbein is a classic, and had several other members of this wiki community joining into the discussion as well.  It is certainly well worth reading.  That discussion starts on page 104 and continues on for about 10 or so pages after that.  --Robert Horning 09:39, January 18, 2010 (UTC)