RuneScape:Requests for adminship/InstantWinston

InstantWinston
I would like to open another RFA. Since I'm pretty much only active on the forums, I'd like to be an admin to lock topics and moderate the forums in general. I'd also carry out normal wiki admin duties, but I'd like to be thought of as more of a forum-only admin. Please don't let my number of edits or recent inactivity on the wiki (but not on the forums) sway your decisions too much, because even though my editcount is low, I have been active in community discussions for about a year and a half, counting the few months I took off. On the forums, I have helped moderate flame wars and reported inappropriate posts whenever I saw them. If I get overwhelming opposes like last time, I'll just withdraw again. Also, why is the original RuneScape:Requests for adminship/InstantWinston page fully protected? 22:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

''I, InstantWinston, accept this nomination for adminship. I have read the policies concerning administrators. I realize that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my powers because I realize that this is a serious offence and if the community finds that I have done so, my powers will be revoked and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban. Signed, 22:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC).

Discussion

 * Wait, so you are wanting to be a forum mod? -- 22:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Precisely. 00:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * For a forum mod.. Give me a pencil and i would sign Support - We could use forum mods, good idea! 08:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

08:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - We need more forum mods. Your former RfA was protected because it is a closed request, to preserve it from further editing.


 * Support - U are good for forum mods. 08:58, October 27 2008 (UTC)


 * COMMENT It needs to be noted to all that there is no difference between forum moderator and sysop here. If Instant is approved, he WILL be a regular sysop. I personally am leaning towards approve but I have no direct knowledge of his behavior on the forums since I do not use them. I hope some forum users can make thir way here and mention some aspects of what he does there so we can have more data to base our decision on. --Degenret01 16:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note - InstantWinston is experienced enough to use sysop powers. And he will only use them at the forums. 17:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, he can be given the forumadmin right and have access on the forums but not here. -- 19:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * To the general public: Am I allowed to post a topic on the forums asking people on the forums to discuss my RFA because it has to do with the forums, or would that be considered "RFA advertising"? To Buzz 9 1990 in particular: Well, I would use them on the wiki if I had to. But mostly on the forums, that would be my main patrol area, so to say. 19:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I would prefer if users who only post on the forums stay out of decisions that involve the main site, as they do not contribute to it. Dtm142 23:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

A'ight. 01:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - What's your opinion on censorship? --Rofl, not long until you-know-who semi-protects the page. Oh well, I have an account for that.


 * Well, Blanko, since you ask, I think it's dumb. But that has nothing to do with this. The wiki has content rules that must be followed. 02:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I am talking about the forum rules and common sense rules. This includes ignore all rules. My intent of proxying and the hassle of creating an account to bypass this very stupid semi protection that Azaz129 enforces on every page I edit is allowed on the condition that I do not violate any of Wikia's polices. I thank you for responding to my comment in a very adult manner instead of taking a shit on my concern with abuse. Blanko007 02:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure what you mean. I disagree with your infinite block, but that's not what you meant. 19:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)  User is a sockpuppet of Blankothe3rd and had been blocked indefinitely. Dtm142 02:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

We need some more people to add to the discussion, as I don't want it to be extended. Adds to the suspense *shudders*. 00:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Pending - You want my vote? This is the closest thing you'll get... For now. ;) 04:39, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Rofl. I just want this to get more comments so it can actually be closed the day it's originally supposed to...tomorrow. 20:49, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

According to the wiki time, it is November 6, the closing date. Is this to be extended, am I to be a sysop, or has this failed? 01:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems to have 100% support. :P 01:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - Another forum admin/sysop would be nice. He has put a lot of work into this wiki, and is trustworthy. 01:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

It's 100% support, but only from 4 people. 02:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Extended until 13 November, 2008 - We really need more people contributing to these discussions... Dtm142 02:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Why is the wiki so quiet lately, anyway? 02:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You tell me. I have no idea. Dtm142 02:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe someone should post a sitenotice to discuss neglected community discussions. I don't know of any other than RFAs, and the Yew Grove is thriving, but maybe it could be sitenotice-worthy. That is, if I wasn't the only active RFA >_<. 02:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - I consider him to be trustworthy for the job.--Varthlokkur 06:19, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - I might not quite be qualified to vote, since I spend almost all of my "contributive" time hovering around the rules and mod articles, and the rest of my time on the forums, but if my vote counts call it a support :) 10:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

support i never spend much time around forums, i do know he is trusted,


 * support - I trust him. I've never seen him do anything wrong. He'd be a great Mod. [[Image:Chocolate_cake.gif]]Matthew 548[[Image:Mining.gif]] 

Btzkillerv has entered the building!   13:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * comment i would recommend that you apply separately for being a forumadmin, if u want to be a mainspace admin, then you should include that in ur RFA bio, 


 * Support - I do think we need way more administrators to moderate the forums. As of now it seems like a dictatorship. But I think we are going to need more admins than just you Instant if we are going to get the forums back on track. [[image:Prayer.gif |25px]] Sir Lenehan [[image:smite.PNG|25px]] 19:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support and Comment - Instant, I can't help but feel like you're low-balling yourself. I can see you being a great admin; not just on the forums. Give yourself some credit, okay? --Pikaandpi 20:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose No, no no! We do need forum mods, just not InstantWilson! We need someone we can trust, such as me, Jediadam4, or someone like God of War. In my past experience, I go on the forums almost everyday, and InstantWilson having those privileges would be a complete disaster! One several of my posts he has disagreed with almost everything I agree with, and the ideas I agreed with were common sense! (Just to have someone else with a wicked idea of fairness to come along and lock my threads.)

Bottomline, we do need forum mods, but not InstantWilson or someone that will lock threads that are conversational or they disagree with. Only lock thread that go against the RuneScape Wiki official forum rules.

Jediadam4 18:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humility 18:32, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Rendova: ROFL. 22:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree Jediaadam4, we do need forum mods, while I do supprt Instantwinston I also think we need more forum mods than just him and Dtm. From what I have seen him and Dtm have similar viewpoints. We need more forum admins to balance out the forums. I think God of War and Reyna Jane would make great forum admins. They could balance out the opinions of Dtm and Instant. I also agree that Dtm has locked threads simply because he felt they were controversial or he disagreed with it. [[image:Prayer.gif |25px]] Sir Lenehan [[image:smite.PNG|25px]] 19:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This RFA is about InstantWinston, not you. Start your own RFA if you really think that you deserve it. Dtm142 21:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I changed it to just an oppose vote. You don't need your own section of the page. And Rendova is right...you seem to be very full of yourself and borderlining on personal attacks there. 22:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC) And I seriously don't get the InstantWilson joke...
 * Wilson was a guy from the Tim Allen show, "Home Improvement". They never did show anything below the bags under his eyes. 02:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I see. 02:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - I don't see what he does on the forums, but what he does on the wiki seems reaonable enough. And he has been here for quite a bit. So instead of over thinking it I'm going to say Instant should be considered a trusted user by now.--Degenret01 05:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support- Gut reactions have never been guttier. I knew he was up to it as soon as i clicked on his userpage, looked at his contributions. I was definite when i went onto teh forum for the first ttime and checked up his edits. ( i think thats what i did, if i did, i did it the hard way. :-- 20:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Neutral - Never use these forums and I probably never will, but the inviting link at the top of the main page told me I should come here ^_^ Lunchmeat 23:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - There's no question we need more forum mods and I trust InstantWinston enough to believe that he genuinely cares for the wiki and will be a great forum mod, However I think that many others are a bit more deserving of such a position.

P.S. wtf is up with the new logo on the adress bar It makes us looks like some sort of Pharmacy not a wiki.

Thevi0lence 00:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)Thevi0lence


 * Weak oppose (for now): While I do think InstantWinston would make a great forum mod, the problem is, because this also gives admin rights, InstantWinston also has to show that he's ready for adminship, which I'm not sure he is at the moment. Either that, or with nominations in the future like this, people have to promise that they won't use admin powers or something. Wikia should make forumadmin-only groups. :P Butterman62 (talk) 00:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Being "ready" is no problem for me...I have had rollback rights for months and have mastered all normal user tools + rollback rights. What could go wrong with me being an admin? I've adjusted my attitude as well. The only weakness I have is my lack of edits, which is blown away by my experience here and community presence. And I thought being an admin was "no big deal"? 02:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * While adminship itself is no big deal the powers granted are, while you claim that you will only use your powers on the forums I'm not really sure... I'll have to oppose for regular adminship, but I'd be willing to support for forum adminship only.-- 02:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Although Azaz, if he's sysopped, he'll be made a forum mod, not admin. InstantWinston can be made a forum admin without being sysopped, but being a mod means you need to be sysopped. I think. Butterman62 (talk) 15:54, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - I think InstantWinston has plenty of experience here and since he is just requesting it for the forums I do not see a problem with it. - TehKittyCat 02:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment What happened to the box that was tallying all the votes? Lunchmeat 02:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It has been removed due to the fact that this is not a vote, it's a discussion to achieve consensus.-- 02:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It would seem that all the opposers are opposing because they wouldn't trust me with the admin powers...I'd like to say that I wouldn't misuse them ever and I can be trusted with them. So...why so serious about me "not being ready" for it? Of course I wouldn't limit my use of the powers to the forums, but it would be my main patrol area. I've said this already. Why would it be "bad" for me to use them on the wiki? Is there something I have not done to "earn" then yet that has nothing to do with editcount? Almost 2 years of experience? Check. Active in community discussions? Check. Makes good use of powers I already have? Check. This would just be like an elevated rollback feature, and I personally think it should be thought of as no more than that. The whole "trusting me" and "ready" thing sounds like it's full of paranoia that I would block everyone in a frenzy. Not gonna happen. 03:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry I kind of 'asploded there...I wanted to address as much as possible so I won't have to later. 04:04, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

'''OH OH 'asploded. Dose that mean you get a warning????. I'm Kidding we all know what you meant. Personally i think you sell yourself short on Grammar and spelling etc. Id like to have DTM's opinion on this if at all possible.'''Reyna Jane 05:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Would anyone care to explain exactly why they find Cashman/Instantwinston untrustworthy? 05:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry Reyna, but I usually try to remain neutral in RFAs whenever possible. I feel that as the bureaucrat who is most likely to close the RFA, I should be impartial and unbiased. Dtm142 19:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support 17:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC) You will be a good forum mod but keep your cool, Ren I am pretty sure some people could find things about everybody.
 * Aye but Fofo, I just wanted to know what they had "already" dug up that made them not trust him :P 14:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that InstantWinston will abuse his sysop powers =) 19:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * For pete's sake, I'm just asking what grounds they're basing this on >.< 22:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh oops, I misread it as "They think InstantWinston will abuse his sysop powers =)". No cookies for me O.o  22:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What a shame, I had some warm peanut butter cookies for you D: I think people don't "trust" me because of my lack of edits, age, and "maturity". If they think I'M immature, they should see the jocks at my school >_>. 00:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a few things to say to three separate parties.
 * To InstantWinston:Support. You are very mature and very able to handle the forums and sysopship, regardless of the few here that are egotistical and do not comprehend your maturity.
 * To Jediadam: This isn't YOUR place to be asking for forum modship, let alone be complaining about an RfA for a user that is perfectly able to handle these situations. God of War would make, quite bluntly, a bad forum mod...have you seen his regard to the grammar rule? You creating controversial threads in the past and acting "all that" as of now are not mod-calibur as well. Don't use RfA's as springboards for your goals.
 * And finally, to Dtm: I think that this RfA is successful enough. A notice of intent should be placed here soon, I think.
 * Carry on, then.


 * Support - I have been watching this go on for a while, but was unable to decide what to vote. I have not been to the forums, and will likely not visit them. I have not however, seen any problems with InstantWinston that would convince me that he would abuse admin rights. What contributions he makes on the encyclopedia seem helpful, legit, and responsible. You have gained my support. 00:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

So is that 16 supporters? I know that it's not a democracy, but it's probably enough for this to pass. I shouldn't count my chickens before they hatch, though...that was my downfall on my last RFA as Cashman. 01:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There seems to be consensus to give you forumadmin status, but it is difficult to determine whether there is consensus to grant full adminship. There will probably be some further discussion after the RFA is over.  Hang in there ;) Dtm142 19:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - Although I do not use forums it is clear we need more forum admins as was witnessed in the Yew Grove, as such I support this and in response to any "but he's not the right one" comments, the matter is very simple, if he, or any other admin, abuses such rights then those same powers can be taken away faster than they are granted as has been witnessed with other abusive admins in the past. 19:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support It sounds as if we need a forum admin, I'm sure you will do a good job of it. Hurston 09:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

It would seem it's almost unanimous in support of me being a forumadmin, but for the people who haven't said so already, what about normal adminship? 20:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - I alway look in the "Recently Edited" box and I often see your name, and your a community friendly user. --Gertjaars 20:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Wiki time says it's closing day, but Eastern Time disagrees. Should this be closed now? I understand more discussion is needed for adminship. 00:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

On second thought, I'll support. We do need more admins around here anyway. :P Butterman62 (talk) 03:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

So, Azaz and Jediadam are the only opposers (and Azaz supports me for forumadmin). 03:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Btzkillerv has entered the building!   11:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support i guess if degernet can start an rfa with just 600 something edits on the mainspace so can you. 


 * Comment - Firstly, the reasons behind my stance have been misconstrued, I do not believe you will abuse the admin tools. Infact, I doubt you'll ever really use them. You've said that you simply wanted the powers for the forums and its obvious that that you will be given forumadmin status, and in your own words you're "pretty much only active on the forums" therefore I must ask "why is it that you really need admin tools on this wiki?" I'm not trying to be difficult or mean here (honestly! 0.0), I'm just curious since you rarely edit the wiki and 99% of your wikitime seems to be spent caring for the forums.-- 20:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The only reason I'm not active on the main wiki now is I don't use it, because I don't play anymore. When I get back into it in a few months, I'd be using my sysop powers just as much as anyone else. I could also just patrol the recent changes more often, I have enough spare time >_>. People could also alert me of vandals on my talk just as much as anyone else's. I feel genuinely ready to be a sysop. I've felt ready since my last RFA as Cashman, the other times I didn't really know what I was doing. 21:01, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note of intent: InstantWinston will be given forumadmin status in one week's time if there is no consensus for full adminship.  Otherwise, he will be sysopped.  Please indicate whether you support full adminship or forum adminship. Dtm142 21:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Another week? >_< Do we really need that much more time? 21:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, could I possibly have forumadmin status as well if I'm sysopped, so I can create polls and such? 20:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You could, but we'll need to request it to a staff member. Dtm142 23:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

We would need to if I were to be granted only forumadmin status anyway. 23:47, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - Forum adminship only. Naikiw 05:59, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - Forum adminship only. When he gets back to editing the wiki for a bit we can consider a fast track to full sysop at that time.--Degenret01 04:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support for forum only Considering how antsy he is to become one see above I really can't support as an admin anywhere but the forums ‎[[Image:Pumpkin.PNG]]Atlandy 04:47, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support, but only for forum duties. InstantWinston seems to know what he's doing, so I don't see why he couldn't be given admin status. Of course, since he's not an active RuneScape player, his admin status would have to be restricted to the forum, but since he is mainly interested as a forum admin, I believe he should be given admin status. -- JalYt-Xil-BicycleCat user 05:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Aren't there already admins who aren't active ingame? I didn't know that was a requirement; but then, I haven't bothered to look up any lists of requirements anyway :P 00:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)