Talk:Zaros

Knowledge of Guthix
In the lore 'Twice Burnt' when Zamorak alters Perjour's journal he replaces the actuality for an approach on guthixians; therefore wouldn't Zaros have afformented knowledge of Guthix before this? -Kailx


 * It was never questioned that Zaros knew of a being that people called Guthix. At this point in time, however, Guthix had no activity in the world so Zaros probably thought that Guthix was a minor god or just a false god altogether. The big question is, does Guthix have any knowledge of Zaros. Xicor12345 (talk) 17:14, July 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. Re-read the god letters, Guthix categorically states he has no idea who Zaros is. Zaros operated while Guthix was napping. -Phoenixjo


 * Although, it would be very safe to assume that Zaros had knowledge of Guthix, as did everyone at the time during the Second Age. 67.85.195.20 23:28, February 27, 2013 (UTC)JeffGC64


 * It is unknown if Zaros knew Guthix infact, they don't know each otehr at all, no one knew of guthix, besides Saradomin when he met teh Druid, (AOG in Funorb) Guthix was unknown until he awokened durning teh gods war. So from all this information, Guthix is really unknown to Zaros, unless Zaros had another name, and was Mortal once like Guthix.Kinglink15 (talk) 04:18, March 29, 2013 (UTC)Kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 04:18, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Even if Zaros was once a mortal he would have no information about Zaros at all because it was confirmed that he and Saradomin are over 10,000 years old.

Zaros' Allignment
I think I have a theory on Zaros' true allignment, well a few theories, and feel free to rule out any of these options.

1. Is it possible that Zaros' allignment quite literally could be nothing? He is very often referred to as the "Empty Lord", so could this be a literal meaning in which he has no allignment?

2. God of Power? Zaros appears to be very powerful, even his Ancient Curse prayers and Ancient Magics spells both seem to be very powerful and PvP oriented, could this be a possible meaning?

Does anyone else think that these could be likely allignments?

JeffGC64 (talk) 05:29, September 1, 2012 (UTC)JeffGC64

I second this, He is more known as Control, and Manipulated.Kinglink15 (talk) 04:26, March 29, 2013 (UTC)Kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 04:26, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros' allignment was likely kin to chaos, but i think the reason he's refered to as the "Empty lord" isn't because he has a neutral allignment, i think it's be cause all his promises were empty. he didn't do anything that he told the dragonriders or to the humans under viggoras' rule. 24.99.204.18 23:31, May 20, 2013 (UTC)anon

Um no.. it was Stated on the Video of Q&A lore by Jagex that his alligment is Control. Kinglink15 (talk) 23:43, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

BTW, Zaros was referred to as "The Empty Lord" before he even discovered The Dragon Riders in their Home-World. Also, What did he tell the humans under Viggora's Rule? 00:24, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

If I am correct nothing, it might have been teh guy's Theory, and he kept the promises, never showed he broke them. Kinglink15 (talk) 00:28, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

I just read some transcript from the Ancient book and it said: "Fighting oppression is the wisest way, To prove your worth to the Great Lord. Power to the Great Lord!". This could give us some insight to what Zaros' alignment or philosophy is. Maybe he was a benevolent god but, like Saradomin and Armadyl, had to use violence to achieve a greater good. Or, since all the other gods seem to hate Zaros for some reason, he told his followers to defend themselves from the other god factions. What do you think? 09:03, June 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's a good theory, but you seem to be forgetting, in the Q&A Video, he was stated to be manipulative, giving one of his philosophy is, Control (they stated it.) His followers, some are Chaotic, and a bit, or mostly evil(Chaer, Nex.) Zaros doesn't care the followers he has, it's as long as he has control (on how I see it) because he lets them do w/e they wish. He is those type of gods that allows his followers to be w/e they want, and allow their action to be their own downfall. 16:46, June 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * This Isn't about the alignment but it's about all the "Empty Lord" stuff above. Zaros was sometimes referred to as The Empty Lord because he was rarely ever seen, even by his own followers. It means "Empty" as in, not there, absent.  00:36, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Is he a good guy? - Depends on your perspective
It has come to my attention that Zaros has little information, and it is hard to tell rather he is a good god, or a bad god. Based on his actions during the God Wars, I look at Zaros as a terrbile god. Sure, he is VERY powerful, but did he use this said power to good use? Also, based on his KNOWN followers (I'm reffering to Nex and other God Wars-related enemies), he is thought to be a bad guy. He seems like the kind of guy who you would lie to a little kid saying "Zaros is a good god! The Great Lord will save us all!" and then he turns out to be a bad guy. So, who knows if he is a good guy or not? I'm not sure yet. God of the Forge 15:45, January 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * To correct somethings, Zaros was never in the Gods War, the Gods war happened after his death, when Zamorak returned, It was stated that some followers do things that are not needed, just for the sake of Zaros, (Nex, Char, and Sliske) Zaros might be a Good god, but then again, he can manipulate a lot of people, and could be a bad god. All that is known, is that he had a powerful empire, so of course he would have a lot of enemies.Kinglink15 (talk) 04:24, March 29, 2013 (UTC)Kinglink15Kinglink15 (talk) 04:24, March 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's been said many times.. god or bad, or even evil... entirely depends on your perspective/alignment. Jagex said this... and even Saradomin hinted this when he talks about Guthix ideas are flawed, while agreeing in principle.. or something like that. 10:31, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * wrong on some part, it is our choice, but it was stated he is control, manipulative, so he could be good, but in his way manipulates, or he is evil. Saradomin only talked about Guthix also looking for peace, like Saradomin is, but disagrees on how Guthix viewed and wanted the peace. Saradomin by his followers is Order, but we all saw his way of order was by force. Yes, it is our choice to pick if he is good or not. But until we see Zaros return, and know his true side, Like I do, I see him as a control side, maybe good. --Kinglink15 (talk) 23:22, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * So... please explain further.. how my statement was wrong, because I'm lost - or were you not responding to me, Kinglink15? ;) 12:43, April 19, 2013 (UTC)+


 * Just the Saradomin part. Kinglink15 (talk) 16:58, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * ...So how?-- 17:10, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Saradomin agreed with the Idea of peace, but disagreeing on how Guthix wanted it, both in the Gods letter, and the quest showed it, as he did state it. I pretty much tell you on what on my respond.Kinglink15 (talk) 17:15, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * You say that you only corrected my on the Saradomin part.. but in that part you actually agree, when you seemed to disagreed with me on the part of good/evil being depended on your own point of view.. Btw, you do know the God letters are not considered canonical, right? 17:31, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * I doKinglink15 (talk) 19:19, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Zarosian Teleport
I recently bought the Zarosian War Teleport from solomons general store and (If you haven't seen it, it should be somewhere on this wiki) whenever you activate it 3 dragon heads come up and you turn into some vampyre-type creature with no legs but instead a tail. Then I zoomed in the camera and realised that the Dragon heads actually look more like Dragonkin! I showed it to my friend and she theorised that the dragonkin (or at least some of them) allied with Zaros for some time hoping that, since Zaros is the most powerful of the young gods, Zaros would break their curse in return for their Service. Can someone please tell me what's happening? 01:57, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not really I respect your theory but not really lol. Don't forget he had dragon riders following him. That's one. Two Guthix was the strongest. Zaros was strongest known because of him being more active during his empire age. The dragonkins wouldn't do anything with anyone unless it has to do with the stone of jas. again the dragon head u see could just be dragons due to Zaros having dragon riders as him followers as well. Kinglink15 (talk) 13:20, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just like the God letters(confirmed) and Postbag from the Hedge (not confirmed or denied actually, but likely, imo) are not to be considered canon, I think SGS and SoF are also not really canon. I agree it's an interesting thought, and I can see Zaros pulling a trick like that - God of Control as he is... But I wouldn't really think much of it. :(
 * Such a damn shame that quests take more time to develop nowadays :P CAN'T WAIT!! 12:50, April 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know Guthix was the strongest young God lol, I just thought that if they really were allied with Zaros for some time then maybe they did so because they either; possessed no knowledge of Guthix at the time or simply couldn't locate his resting place. 00:12, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * True, BUT like I said, they wouldn't, and it might be dragon riders. Dragonkin only respond to the "stone Touchers" that miss use the stone.Kinglink15 (talk) 17:12, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm I don't think you could know that they wouldn't. The only thing we really do know is that they respond to 'stone touchers' that are.. 'false users', aka non-gods (if non-false user means: elder/younger god, or is even more strict: the three Gielinor creator gods, or even only Jas - we don't know). We also know that they get pain if the stone is touched by a false user, and that the pain stops when they prevent it. They want to get rid of the pain... so that's why e.g. Kerapac tried to get rid of the pain. They're not gods themselves, the Dragonkin, so they might trust Guthix, Zaros or other gods to be able to help, like Kerapac tried. ... Anyway we don't know, there's nothing to suggest this, so... all we can say is: nice idea, maybe Mod Osborne can work with it. 10:21, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Zarosian Colours
Shouldn't there be more zarosian colours put up on the article? The colours I know of that DEFINETLEY are Zarosian are the colours at the Temple at Senntisten. I think they're Purple, Teal Black, White and Gold. They're all at The Temple at Senntisten so they must be Zarosian colours. 01:13, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Godhood Tier
Ok, I got no problem adding that to all the gods now but, where and whem did it state his Godhood Tier is 2? it is still unknown what the God Tiers are. I can understand it would be 2 due to him being out of a body, but the Tiers are still unknown and be best left alone until further quests can be shown about it. Kinglink15 (talk) 16:10, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * yeah... you do have a point... Osborne only said that [Guthix] and [Zaros at the peak of his power] (just before Zamorak bitch slapped him) were on tier 2. What Zaros is now, during his outer body experience, we don't know -- I'm sure he's not as strong. For the rest we only know three tiers in total: 1, 2 and 7, and not much is known about those actually. So caution is advised :3 16:24, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Then in the article, it should be stated some where his tier use to be, and I was surprised when he said both are in tier two, due for Guthix being the strongest of teh youngest god, and Zaros being second strongest, meaning the rest of the gods are tier one. But then again, this would be said the tier before Guthix awake, after all, being strong enough to open portals with out teh sword, is impressive. Kinglink15 (talk) 16:30, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * No.. Tier 1 is the strongest and 7 the weakest: 1=elder gods, 7=(some - all?) desert gods. And if they are both classed on the same tier, they could differ in power, just like you would be classed with boxing. Or maybe a better example is the weapons you can use in RS: tier 50=rune, but with lvl 56 att&str you're still more strong that some one with 53 att&str. And go figure, if you have to place something like 20 gods in that system it would seem odd to me if they're all just as strong when they occupy the same tier, and get a sudden increase in power if you rise a tier: I think you should see the tiers are more fluid/gradient rather than imagine it in strong borderline fashion. 16:40, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Damn my ear plugs needs changing, ook, thanks for tellnig me then. Then we should add their Tier, and for the others, we can add 3? (maybe not, due for bandos being weakened after teh Chosen Commander) But for the rest, what do you thin kwe can do? Kinglink15 (talk) 16:48, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well we don't know what Bandos' tier is we don't even know where Saradomin would fit (I imagine 2, since Osborne said he was probably one of the or the oldest of the younger gods) but that's not mentioned anywhere. And also Bandos was not weakened for as much as I know. His ways of contacting where simply eliminated (the necklace/amulet/what-ever-it-was got destroyed if I'm correct, only his Avatar got defeated. 16:57, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * IDk if he was also, the cave goblin's were statting it. But yes, i guess we can wait for the other, and even if Saradomin is oldest, he could be in tier 3. I mean, who knows, he was with teh crown more, and less with the jas. Kinglink15 (talk) 17:00, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * idk... Sara could be tier 5 too... who knows what happened in the meanwhile :P silly rhetorical question, Mod Osborne knows... 17:28, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Why does this page describe Zaros as evil now? I thought in the livestream it was confirmed he was neither good or evil.

PindaZwerver (talk) 22:58, June 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * it describes his ACTIONS to seem evil, and Saradomin to seem evil, and His followers, some to have been doing "evil" but he isn't said to be evil. In teh livestream he is said to be the god of control, and with the new Update, also Fate. 23:11, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well it seems one person wants Tier of Zaros to be how it is now. I talked to a admin once and it was suggested that keeping it "Before defeat" would look better. But it seems that it went on for some time, so, I ask you all, Would you want it before defeat? or just leave it how it is? 20:11, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

We have no idea what his tier is at the moment, so leaving it as his 'before defeat' tier, with a disclaimer that he could be considerably weaker now, is what I would go for. Snowskeeper---Till Hell Freezes Over. (talk) 21:01, June 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, anyone else like to be a voice? 01:10, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

The Warring
You guys are warring to much! Stop reverting the page you are brining out the miss spelling words and taking off information given. Keep his Tier, remove the rest. Period. I talked to a few admin and they told me to keep the Tier in wording of "Before Deafeat" Because that's how far we know of him. 10:16, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Admins are normal people... their opinion and behaviour counts just as much as any-one else's. We know know Zaros tier before his defeat (or better worded: at the height of his powers), which is 2; but we also know that after his defeat he lost power and is at least a tier lower, but we don't know how much. IF the latter claim needs a source, the first needs one too - and to the same degree. 10:37, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, no, for the purposes of this wiki Admins are NOT normal people, and if they tell you to stop doing something, you should really listen. There is no definite information about how much power, if any, Zaros permanently lost. And by the way, there is no 'tier' system that I know about in existence--just the systems of Elder vs. Younger gods, the latter of which Zaros was originally a part of. To me, it sounds a lot like you're using stating headcanon as fact.
 * The fact that "Jmods haven't said he didn't lose any powers" does not mean that he lost power. It doesn't mean that he didn't, but they haven't said he lost permanent power either.
 * Don't get me wrong; I agree with you. Having Zaros be drastically more powerful than the other Gods would be unfair for all involved, since it would mean that when he finally does re-enter the affairs of Gielnor fully he'll basically kick everything's collective asses. But there is no proof yet, so until there is, don't edit the information in. Or if you do, make it a kind of disclaimer in the Trivia section: "Zaros may have permanently lost some of his power due to the effects of the Staff of Armadyl." This would be fair, and I doubt it would provoke nearly as much debate. Snowskeeper---Till Hell Freezes Over. (talk) 14:13, June 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * there is a tier system, something yet given by Jages ad they are still working on it. Zaros and Guthix were in tier two( before Zaros defeat, and before guthix died. It was stated that guthix beings the powerful Zaroa was second powerful but not powerful enough to take all the Gods on his own one on 3 or more. The Tier system is yet to be stated because it is something their looking at them selves. They already told us some of the gods tier but not all of them. But really this warring needs to stop because not only do I get spam emails from silly things that was stated and proven in Rune Zone radio but fact that it goes back to the error of typos and spellings.. 14:46, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for the correction. I wasn't aware of it, and it certainly doesn't seem that it's developed properly yet, all things considered. Guthix was powerful enough to banish all of the Young Gods involved in the God Wars without the assistance of the Stone of Jas, so wouldn't that mean that Zaros would be that powerful as well if he's on the same tier?
 * In any case, the admins have said 'stop,' so it needs to stop or this page will be edit-locked. Snowskeeper---Till Hell Freezes Over. (talk) 15:34, June 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, as I stated before, Zaros wasn't strong as Guthix, to be able to do something like that. They are in the same tier, but one is stronger than the other. It is unknown of Zaros powers, and the kind that he has, we know he has a few, but it is unknown all of his abilities. Note, Guthix banned every god, even those who weren't in teh Gods war, he made a magical barrier around Gielinor to prevent teh gods from walking  on Gielinor. Only exception are the Desert gods. (Not Tumeken from theory.) They are low tier gods, being 7-6, weakest of the Tier. Even Seren, who was not involved with the war was also bound by the Edict. 21:27, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Would this "god that was holding a sword" be Sliske? Azzandra believes he still works for the good of Zaros. Perhaps Sliske is Zaros' Perfect Weapon. 50.88.53.82 14:05, June 20, 2013 (UTC)Anonymous Proxy
 * According to Mod Mark, in his friend chat, a Zaros Godsword won't be created because Zaros is too powerful for a godsword. The only appropriate weapon for him would be to literally wield "a god that was holding a sword", implying that Zaros may be much more powerful than originally thought.


 * No, Mod Mark was just stating that Zaros just doesn't need a Godsword, because it isn't "To cool" for him. Sliske got nothing to do with this. Pretty much meaning a Godsword would be a waste of their time Making. And if they did make him one, it would overpower the rest of the Godsword 15:05, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Hey do we have details as to the exact location the Betrayal to place?


 * No, no information was given to where as far as I know, also, please Sign when you are done posting. 05:11, June 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Origins of Gielinor video shows the betrayal occuring just outside of Ghorrock, while the Zaros section in The Book of The Gods states that the betrayal happened in Zaros's palace. Persoanlly, I think the palace one is correct cos the book of the gods was released after the origins of gielinor video. 07:23, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Ambition
Well Where is the Q&A? I mean, I am not saying you are wrong, but I wish to see it. Thing is, placing him the god of ambition wouldn't really make sense (on how I see it), ambition means when a person desires something badly, WE can put that that he is a ambitiousless God. With proof of Osborne saying he is, (Unless he said "god of ambition.") So I think it could be better changed to "An ambitiousless." 20:23, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * "ambitiousness god"? Ambitiousness is not an adjective. 20:41, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * ambitionless is what I meant to type, My PC must have auto corrected. I'll correct that, but, Do you agree with me Mol Man? or were you just here to correct me? 20:47, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * The latter. Well, I'm all done here. Have a good one. 20:49, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * 'twas in the Mod Osborne's Lore Answers thing or the November lore video. Either way, ambition goes well with control and makes much, much more sense than 'fate'. 07:05, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Bias?
I don't understand how the words "Zaros also represents shadow, emptiness, evil and absence." has Bias when it came from this website. RS players may have edited it but if Jagex Mods/Employees saw there was Bias and speculation on the page then the edit would have been reverted. If it's still there then Jagex obviously approves of it. 00:45, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * The RuneScape wiki is not considered to be a reliable source for referencing. Although it may be run by Jagex that does not make it 100% true or reliable. Just look at the bottom of the article: "Possibly Glarial (as, although she was an elf, her coffin has the symbol of Zaros on it)". If the wiki were really approved would the Jmods want to have something like that on the page? Also, it's been stated before in the past that he is NOT the god of evil 00:59, July 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * It never said Zaros was the god of evil, that's an entirely different argument. They put "Possibly Glarial" because either jagex doesn't wanna reveal it or it's irrelevant to the other/upcoming storylines. And Jagex made Runescape so.... 01:07, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Or it's unreliable. As far as I know they have 2 Jmods managing the wiki. Do you really expect them to be able to check and approve every single edit? And if they don't want spoilers or it's irrelevant, why not remove it? 01:12, July 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * They put a warning that there's spoilers and they put it in the trivia because "trivia" is interesting to note but not really relevant pieces of information. 01:15, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, in relation to what has already happened. They're leaving the warning for those who haven't done quests like TTAS or ROTM so that they can enjoy the quest without it being ruined. I highly doubt they're going to put what's going to happen on the wiki 01:22, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Glarial has been confirmed to be Serenist in the November lore video. Also, saying "Zaros represents evil" is totally not biased. 07:36, July 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Mod Crow posted it Here so.....


 * "A La Sombra is an uncommon prize won in the Squeal of Fortune. Like the other masks, it is themed on a god, in this case Zaros, the God of fate and Control. Its name is in Spanish, and translates to "The Shadow"." Further proof he represents shadow. 10:20, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter what Crow said. Jmod bias doesn't make it non-bias. As for the mask, that refers to Zaros being mysterious and controlling from the shadow. Doesn't mean he's evil. 15:00, July 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Let's get rid of the evil thing, i'm saying he represents shadow. How does a Jmod's basic rundown of Zaros mean he has bias? Jagex makes Runescape and it's lore, Jmods work for Jagex, meaning they help make the game, meaning unless they're proved to be wrong/have bias then what they say is true. Jmods have made mistakes in the past but as far as we know this isn't a mistake. 00:02, July 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I just noticed this argument we had ages ago, just to be sure, do you agree with the shadow thing or not? I can provide more proof from Mod Osborne if you like. 07:18, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Sliske?
The recent Zaros post in this topic makes me wonder... Many followers are explicitly listed, Sliske isn't? Yes, he has his own faction all to himself, but can this be taken as some sort of confirmation that he is no longer loyal to Zaros? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 16:21, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * What we know about Sliske's intentions is that we don't know his intentions 16:23, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sliske's allegiance and status (god or not) are currently under great debate, and Jagex wants to maintain that uncertainty for a while (I would imagine until Missing, Presumed Death). So it would be foolish, not just because Sliske has a faction at the moment and it would create confusion to list him under the followers, but because it would dissipate that uncertainty prematurely. Also, bear in mind they also didn't list Wahisietel, Torva, Pernix, Virtus, Dagroda, Lamarinta etc, yet we know of their Zarosianism. Besides, they only provided a small sample of names, not the full list. They also didn't include Bilrach or Moia or Zemouregal on the followers of Zamorak list, but we know of their allegiance. I wouldn't take it as confirmation, basically. 78.151.42.255 16:33, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Aren't Torva, Pernix, and Virtus all dead and six-feet-under? Not sure on the others. It makes sense not to list past followers. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 16:38, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict). Agreed, but an exclusion from a list of known followers seems like a big thing... This isn't exactly a case of "us watching Sliske being secretive"; this is a lore post made outside of the actual story. Ah well, then again, including him would either be false or could be seen as a revelation all the same. Couldn't they have semi-included him at least? :P . IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 16:37, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Mod Jack on Zaros
I've cited an thread with posts by Mod Jack in them about and on the subject of Zaros. Here's the link: http://www.webcitation.org/6JJz69K3L To quote him, "Zaros was not nice." -- 01:51, September 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Is not nice" Pretty much he is saying that Zaros is the type of god who wants best for the world, and if who agree that the world should be in mortals in like Guthix/Godless, he would help, but he isn't a nice God, he would put you down with words if he can. Seems Legit. 02:06, September 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Zamorak isn't nice, Bandos isn't nice, Saradomin is definitley not nice (He's short tempered), Tuska isn't nice, Skargaroth isn't nice, The Freneskae creatore god isn't nice. Lord Nexius 00:49, September 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Idk about the Creator god, was it confirmed by Mods that Mahjerrates rumor were true? Anywho, yeah, all Gods besides Seren, is not nice, well I mean the big ones. The smaller ones are okish. 00:58, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Zarosian Haze
Hi all. Does anyone have a piccy of the Zarosian haze above his podium during MPD? I have one, but it's quite poor quality so I am loath to upload it. Cheers guys -- 22:33, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Here is a picture of the haze, if anyone wants! It's a simple print screen with a very zoomed out camera -- 22:37, October 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Image removed. We've had that uploaded a few times, and due to the lack of quality (sorry) of every upload, it's been decided that words will suffice for the haze. 23:14, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros 'Race'
So, I looked, seems that his race is "Ancient", um, where did it say he is that, and that "Ancient" is a race? for all that is known he was never mortal, better off saying his race is a god. 15:50, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros concept art correction
At exactly 2:18:04 in the livestream on Twitch that is 4:35:01 hours long, Mod Mark states that this is what Zaros will look like when he returns with the quote " And throughout the quest you'll be faced with different choices. And the choices that you make, the choices on whether you want to support Zaros, or rather, that you're against Zaros; will change the kind of form that Zaros will take. If you work really hard, he might look something, like this" And then at exactly 2:18:17 he showed us that concept art. So this concept art is Zaros's 6th age form, NOT his second age. However, his 2nd age and 6th age forms can be identical... have we considered that? --Runic Lord (talk) 10:44, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Zaros and Seren being the same race?
Ok, so I studied concept arts for incorporeal Zaros and Seren and they have surprisingly much in common. They have similiar patterns of their faces, nearly identical spiky things attached to their arms, elbows, hips in almost the same manner. Also, both were tier 2 at one point and both can still live without their bodies. It's of course a theory, but it might be worth noticing somewhere. Just have a look at this image.--Mariobaryla (talk) 11:06, November 3, 2013 (UTC)