User talk:Vhosythe42

Welcome!
22:51, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Personal Pictures
22:51, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You've now uploaded a personal image three times. Please, do not upload personal images to this Wiki.  Instead, use a site such as ImageShack.


 * Thanks,
 * 23:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Do not reupload images if they have been deleted, especially if they are personal images. Consider this your warning. If it continues you may be temporarily blocked from editing. 23:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - Dude, you really need to stop uploading images on the wikia that are not directly related to RuneScape. Try using an external site, as mentioned above to incorporate these images to your userspace. 01:02, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

World 85
I used to hang out there when I was a f2p (waaaay back in early '07). It's the home world for all my alternate accounts as well. 01:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

DDD
Please read up on this policy in regards to the removal of discussions: RS:DDD

Thanks and happy editing!

17:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Forums
I have banned you from the forums until February 1st, due to your general talking down to a few users on the "Should RuneScape have more forests and land" topic. See you next month, and try not to flame on the forums, especially if you're new. 22:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

RuneScape:User treatment policy
Please read over that policy. Treat all users as you would want to be treated. Editing someone's signature like you did to Instant's wasn't nice at all. This time consider it a gentle reminder to be nice. However, if it continues then you could face a temporary block in the future. 05:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I wasn't talking about the forums. I was talking about what you did to Instant's signature. I barely post on the forums and I didn't even deal with that situation so I fail to see how you can complain to me about that. Also, I obviously wouldn't delete a comment. Take some time to calm down.

The Unfortunate Truth
It wasn't you who banned me from the forums, it was some asshole in the "Should rs have more forest or land" thread. Since I'm not allowed in the forums until then, I can't go back to check exacly who it was. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IT WAS, THOUGH, because all admins on these damned sites are stereotypical tyrants.


 * If you could provide me with some evidence then I'll see what I can do to clarify the situation. Again, please try to calm down. 17:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Should I make a new account or borrow someone's? The ban has disabled the "forums" link. --Vhosythe42 18:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No, that would be ban evasion which is liable to increase the length of your ban. Again, if you can provide me with some evidence I'll see if I can get some clarification for you. 18:21, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

http://runescape.wikia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3125&start=60 Now, I know I instigated with my first post that was on page 7. However, I would have stopped had GodOfWar not further antagonised. --Vhosythe42 18:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I would guess that you were banned because you instigated the flame war but I'm not really sure what all went on. I'd recommend contacting Instant on his talk page to calmly work this out. 19:05, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to add captions to photos from image hosting sites but "URL" should align them. 19:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

If you insult me one more time I will do everything I can to get you banned here '''permanently. Stop calling me an asshole NOW. One more comment and I will ban you from the forums for much longer than a week.''' If you can't take your consequences maturely, I will give you more punishment. 19:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Your Recent Actions
Hello there, now I've noticed your actions in the last few days and see that you've been flaming, libeling, and harrassing users, this is a violation of the user treatment policy. I'll be frank, there is no problem with you disputing a ban (and certainly no problem with being unhappy with being banned); however, you must stop swearing at/insulting users or action will be taken against your account on the wiki rather than just the forums.-- 20:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Azaz129; thank you SO much for being the first open-minded administrator I've met thus far on RuneWiki. I was seriously beginning to believe everything I was saying to the others (which started as a mere rant). Of course, I have no excuse for my current actions, although the ban from the forums is still debatable in my opinion. What is your view on the matter? --Vhosythe42 20:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * According to our user policies on the wiki (in summation they say not to swear/insult others) a week block can be justified, (typically it's easier to wait the week and just try to be nice). I'll admit that I'm not active on the forums or the most up to date on forum policy, but I do agree that your behavior on the thread was a bit aggressive, my recommendation is to wait out the block, you'll find many users on this site who have been blocked for things like this have gone on to become excellent members of the community and are quite happy editting here. I'm sure with a little refinement of your actions that you'll find many people here to be quite pleasant.-- 20:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll consider it. LOL, J/K. :P I assure you, I only act the way I had when I'm instigated (you surely know that if you've read my page). However, next time God Of War or someone else does such a thing, instead of flaming them back I'll inform you. Thank you for the input. --Vhosythe42 20:30, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Blocked from editing?!
What's the matter, adding more insightful pictures to pages isn't allowed? Or if this is about the fact that I changed InstantWinston's signature ONCE, I think it should be obvious by now that I never read directions (in this case, rules of conduct). Besides, he has edited mine on many occasions too. --Vhosythe42 21:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The block was for the repeated flaming on your user page (and other places). WWTDD? 21:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Flaming on my user page? Do you mean my "User:Vhosythe42"?! I didn't flame ANYONE on there and you know it. If I did, find proof. But you won't because I didn't. --Vhosythe42 21:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Your comments on Instant's talk page were unacceptable. I asked you to calmly work it out with him. 22:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The flaming went both ways, but admins are blameless, right? They're allowed to conceal their mistakes and ban anyone who follows their example. It's obvious that nobody can win against such tyranny, so it's futile for me to bring this any further. It's a shame; I really thought this was a cool site before I actually spoke with a few of RuneWiki's many autocrats. It's a wonder how RuneWiki stays afloat when we normal users are treated like slaves by the site's leaders, isn't it? No, of course not, because you're an admin and, like all other admins, you're too important to have blame. --Vhosythe42 23:20, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * So we're power-hungry dictators with no souls? Sorry, but I have one thing to say to that: WTF? Get a life, dude, and leave the wiki if all you're gonna do is flame us. I will protect this talk page if we have to, so NO ONE will edit it. That way, the arguing will stop, and you can cool down. If anything, YOU are the cause of all this trouble for you, not God of War. It doesn't matter if it went both ways... you didn't stop flaming.
 * I have only recently been following this since Instant has been telling me in-game about you, Vho, but I can already see that you behave much like a little kid with nothing more to do than to get on the Internet and flame us wiki users. I will gladly stand by Instant in getting you permabanned if you don't stop throwing a virutal temper tantrum.

Compromise
To be honest, I find the behavior on both sides unacceptable. The only mature person has been Azaz, but that's expected, I suppose. ;)

Vhosy, I don't think I need to reprimand you much. You've been reprimanded enough already.

As for everyone else, come on. You're more mature than this. I've been working side-by-side, peacefully, with all of you for quite some time now. You are all top-notch contributors, insightful in nearly all situations. But the second insults start flying, it's like you have to take a side and stick to it.

I'll admit, I'm no policy expert. However, I do know that part of being a wiki means that we maintain a neutral point of view. While we most often only regard this rule as applying to articles, it can apply in arguments, as well. If you step back and refrain from bickering, the argumentative atmosphere will subside. Act supportive, rather than arrogant. Threatening to punish is against the spirit of wikis. Wikipedia says it best: punitive discipline has no place here. Put simply, all consequences are meant to protect the wiki, rather than to punish the offender.

The day that this talk page gets protected would be a sad, sad day for the RuneScape wiki. Vhosythe42 is expressing his opinions here legitimately, and he may continue to do so. If steam starts shooting out of your ears because of it, that just shows your inability to handle tough situations. May I also remind you what is not the job of an administrator: to settle disputes. Edit wars, maybe, but under no condition may your powers be the end-all of an argument. You would be stepping out of your place by completely cutting off Vhosythe42, and the community will hold you accountable for your actions. Administrators are not people with a higher rank than everybody else, they're just contributors trusted in having access to a few extra buttons.

And Vhosythe42, I'm disappointed in you, too. Maybe your actions were justified, maybe they weren't. Regardless, the community agreed that this wiki needed to be "protected" from you temporarily. You should have used that time to cool down a bit and read up on wiki policies. If you had done so, you would have found that many of the threats against you were in violation of them, and you could have constructively brought up those facts—finger pointing won't get you anywhere, as justified as you may feel it is. The only way you can hold people accountable here is with the &lt;ref&gt; tag—literally.

"I have only recently been following this since Instant has been telling me in-game about you, Vho, but I can already see that you behave much like a little kid with nothing more to do than to get on the Internet and flame us wiki users. I will gladly stand by Instant in getting you permabanned if you don't stop throwing a virutal temper tantrum. (Stinkowing)"

Stinkowing and Instant, if you follow through with your threat, you can be sure that I will bring your actions to the attention of all who peruse the Yew Grove. They may back you up, they may not; but regardless, you will be held accountable for your actions. Vhosythe42 might just have the potential to become a loyal contributor. If you are found to have ruined that potential, I doubt you will be praised.

Both sides of this argument need to learn to control their tempers. Vhosythe42 is not the only one "throwing a [virtual] temper tantrum."

So, now that I've blabbered on a bit, I'll offer a compromise:


 * 1) Vhosythe42, you will remain banned from the forums until your week is up.
 * 2) Contributors siding against Vhosythe42 will back down and control their temperments.  As Azaz once said, a bad temper can lead to your downfall via the Yew Grove.  He was 100% right.
 * 3) If you don't have anything constructive to say regarding this situation, do not say it.  If you must say something hurtful, write it on a piece of paper, then rip it up into shreds (and put all your anger into doing so).  That may help relieve your temper; then your mind will be clearer, and you may be able to contribute some positive, constructive, and insightful suggestions.
 * 4) Vhosythe42 will be allowed to edit the wiki as would a normal user.  All current edit restrictions will be removed.
 * 5) I will personally mentor Vhosythe42.  I honestly believe his ambition can be used to better this wiki, and I am sure he will make a top-notch contributor in no time.  He just needs a little guidance, which all this bickering is not providing him.  If he has any questions about whether or not he should keep his mouth shut or how he should react in a certain situation, I will gladly give him advice.  I will also watch all his actions, giving him constructive feedback wherever it may be needed.

So, there you have it. I've basically offered to take this problem out of everyone's hands and guide Vhosythe42 myself, as I'm sure he has the talent needed to contribute to this wiki in amazing ways. I see no reason that anyone should object, as it's very unlikely that any more harm could come from Vhosythe42 if everyone can keep their cool regarding this matter.

18:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Discussion
Support - as it is my proposition 18:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I oppose - Here's the timeline. He started insulting TheVi0lence on the forums, God of War started flaming back. Flame war commenced. God of War alerted me on my talk asking me to put an end to it, so I banned Vho for 8 days from the forums. I could have banned God of War as well had he not been defending a fellow user. Vho throws a fit and starts calling me every name in the book on multiple user's talk pages for handling the situation. He accuses me of violating RS:DDD, which in fact, he was the one violating. Now people like Supertech believe that an edit war went down, when their was none in reality. I, of course, get defensive about it because I'm being harassed by someone I don't even know. He deserves a longer block if anything changes. There is nothing to justify the insane amount of personal attacks you've made. Also, Supertech isn't an admin, Vho. 21:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - Wouldn't you be upset, too, if you felt you were banned unjustly, and then were continuously banned further each time you objected? Whether or not the ban was actually unjust is irrelevant; he felt that it was unjust, and that explains his actions.  Remember, part of the problem with punitive discipline is that it creates splits in social ranks, thereby causing major discrepancies in the points of view of different users.  You did more or less the right thing, Instant; that is not the issue.  The issue at hand is how can we prevent this from happening again in the future.  After all that he's been through, do you really think Vhosythe42 would go off on a flame rant again?  Throw in the added security of guidance, and I think we can safely assume that Vhosythe42 will not be angering you or anyone else.  However, if everyone keeps up with these temper tantrums, I don't blame him for continuing to flame.  So let's actually do something about this problem rather than flaming, threatening, and banning potentially successful contributors.  22:16, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. - I didn't say anything about an edit war. I am only working with facts that I have confirmed first hand, so don't worry about me being misinformed.  Thank you for being cautious about what information is used to come to a conclusion, though.  That's the sort of thinking we need in this situation: solid, clear, and based off legitimate facts/events.

The Second Party's Response
See, Stinkowing? See what you wrote?
 * "If anything, YOU are the cause of all this trouble for you, not God of War. It doesn't matter if it went both ways..."

Is any more proof needed from you? Obviously not, but thank you for being brought to the stand on my behalf, whether it was intentional or not. As for the compromise by Supertech, I still have yet to read the whole thing, but what I have read (it's very long) sounds reasonable.

EDIT: I have now read the entire proposal, and am pleased to see an admin doing what they're supposed to do. I'm also glad to now be informed that admins aren't allowed to make threats; I now know how to deal with them accordingly, although I don't use the Yew Grove often. Thank you, Supertech, for being the only one mature enough (excluding Azaz) to put a proper end to this. I will happily embrace this proposal if you're willing to stick with it too. --Vhosythe42 21:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Vhosythe42, thank you. However, I'd just like to point out that there is no "second party".  If you accept my offer (as you have), you will be working side by side with the people you are putting down, so I don't recommend continuing to do so.  You will have to learn to cooperate with them and consider the community an "us", not a "them" and a "me".  22:16, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

What I meant by that was:
 * 1st person= "me" (from your point of view, yourself)
 * 2nd person = "you" (me, from your view)
 * 3rd person = "them" (everyone else involved who you aren't directing your comments to on this talk page.)

Plus, I needed an okay title. :P

BTW, I'm in the process of getting my hacked account back right now, since someone has changed the password. My RuneWiki is just fine, but I'm trying to change my actual RS character's pass. I'll be able to log onto the Wiki a lot more often once I either get it back or give up trying. :( --Vhosythe42 17:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Vhosythe42, I have a bit of experience in that area. If you need any help, please don't hesitate to let me know.  And good luck!   17:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Jagex has finally decided to get off its ass and help me (for once), and my account is now safe. However, I won't be able to be "tutored" until my IP address lets me edit pages again. Ut needs to be removed by yourself (or Revan, if he's the only one who can). Vhosythe42 21:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)