Talk:The Godless

Godless subsections
Following the discussion on the Gods talk page, I decided to continue the conversation here, as this is the page about faction or group of individuals identifying as 'The Godless', opposed to an deity named 'godless'. As this page (currently) states, the Godless faction that does not follow any god. In fact it tries to keep the gods out of Gielinor and attempt to keep it a place only for mortals. Seeing as this was the 'death-wish' of Guthix it is understandable that people initially confused it as a solely Guthixian group. And although it may have members identifying as Guthixian (or formerly identifying as such), it is by no means exclusively so. --- On the God-talk page it was suggested to make a subsections of groups and people that would join this faction. Similar things could be done with other factions (e.g.: The Saradomin faction could have: Faladorian White knights and the Myreque as distinct groups with other things that set them apart (like method and values) while they boths till support Saradomin). In the Godless faction it has been suggested to make at least two or three subgroups: Please, feel free to discuss. 22:13, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * The (Formerly) Guthixian Godless
 * The Dorgeshuun-style Godless
 * The 'Other'-category

I don't think the Godless Faction or any faction should be broken down into previous factions, as regardless of their previous allegiances, members have come together under one banner. It should be noted however that The Godless faction are less cohesive than other factions and have internal divisions such as;
 * Those who wish to attain godhood.
 * Those who follow none of the gods.
 * Those who would protect Gielinor at all costs.
 * It's also worth pointing out that none of the 3 are mutually exclusive with either of the other two. 04ismailjj6 (talk) 10:23, May 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I like these better :3 11:25, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but i can't take all the credit. Super-String's forum thread provided the words, since they were better than the ones I had in mind :)
 * I've been wondering if the other factions should be divided up internally too. It seems like they'd be much more cohesive though, I gues I'll wait till God Emissaures comes out in a few hours, hopefully. :D04ismailjj6 (talk) 12:01, May 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * How do we know which banner the Dorgeshuun will be under, afterall they fought for Bandos before? The Godless Faction itself (most likely) refers to Guthixian Godless, while Dorgeshuun Godless is more isolated, as I don't know if they will or will not fight for the Guthixian Godless, or indeed fight at all...? I think the Godless faction should be exclusively Ex-Guthixian, as they follow Guthix's teachings, while Godlessness as a whole should be devided into different branches. Unless, ofcourse, the Dorgeshuun fight for the Godless faction, inwhich case I believe the Godless Faction should be branched off (as they still don't follow Guthix Godlessness)... :D Italay90 (talk) 12:19, May 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * PS. I believe that The Godless should be a seperate article from Godless/Godlessness, as Godless/Godlessness, is a view that there should be no god in Gielinor, whilst The Godless is a faction who fight for this belief, following Guthix's teachings of "Balance".
 * Dorgeshuun Godless believe that all gods, including the now dead Guthix, are evil. Whereas Guthix Godless believe in Balance and peace. Therefore, I think it's best we make two articles, Godless, the view, and The Godless, the faction. If we made a "Godless" or "Godlessness" article, I believe it should consist of the following:
 * Guthix Godless
 * Dorgeshuun Godless
 * Other (if any) Godless
 * Italay90 (talk) 12:30, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Godless Members
Shouldn't we ad those Godless members NPC? Their NPC, and their part of the Godless. 01:44, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe so... I just haven't seen them around :(  12:44, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I have, several times, they come and ask who to ambush more. 16:48, December 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, regardless, we should add them too, we should also add a little description to it. Like what you said. Btw, have you found that wandering alchemist too?? Any tricks in finding them?? :P  17:26, December 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just be lucky through convoys. 17:37, December 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I wonder what my luck ratio is (and how much I miss) :P I should do more convoys and turn pvp off :P All those Armadyleans keep killing me 18:50, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Vorago
Now, as excited as I can be that a boss npc is with the godless, should we really be putting it in to early? I mean after all the event isn't out yet, and not much information is out about why he is acting for the Godless. -- 12:50, March 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, Vorago is technically supporting the Godless for the Tuska event, as evidenced by one of his Scopulus representing the faction. We'll know the rest once the event actually begins but for now all we need to know is Vorago will be on the side of the Godless. 13:21, March 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * While we, officially, ought to wait until it's released (Tuska event), I think it's pretty much 'confirmed'. We also don't see it as a problem with other things. I mean, even lore FAQs or twitter statements make it unto the wikia, even the ones that will never (isfaik) go in game. I don't think this is too problematic at all. 21:31, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Guthixian in Nature
No they aren't, they are a new religion that doesn'y follow his full religion, only his death wish, Jagex stated the two religion are different, but Guthixian would be condiered Godless to others in NPC 00:50, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * This is from this wiki page as well: "This is backed by the fact that Kara-Meir contacted Biehn after having received his letter. The two agreed to create a faction to continue Guthix's belief of a world belonging to no god."
 * There is no evidence in the lore stating that they do not follow guthix only that they do follow guthix. His teachigns is him now that is what the wanted he didn't want to be seen as a god.
 * They donot follow Guthix, they follow his Death wish, no Gods on Gielinor. Kara-Mier and Biehn agreeing of a new order that is to follow no god, doesn't mean it is Guthixian in nature, it just mean it was founded by two Guthixian. Please do not continue to edit the Page until it is worked out, or a Wikia mod will block this page... 01:01, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Guthix isn't on Gielinor now is he? He passed away last I remembered. He accepted his death because he did not want gods on Gielinor and wanted people to lead their own lives. The godless follow Guthix's wish as a teaching and not Guthix himself because he did not want that. That being said doesn't mean they don't follow him still. Following someone's teachigns is still following the person.
 * Either way that doesn;t make them Guthixian in nature, it is a another faction it self, stop editing the page, we are causing a edit war. 01:08, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * By saying it isn't guthixian in nature you are contradicing what is said later. Please explain how it is not guthixian in nature if they are following GUTHIX'S TEACHINGS.
 * First, stop changing the page already, if u want an explanation, Second, they aren't worshiping the god, or following his entire teaching of balance, they are only following his death wish.if they were Guthixian in nature, they would have been named Guthixian, or followed his Teaching of balance, but tthey aren't, because NOT ALL follow the taeaching of balance. Biehn never believed in it, and Kara-Mier either. 01:15, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * You are the one changing it from what it was all day. So if anyone should stop it is you. They don't have to worship him as a god for it to be guthixian in nature, they aren't guthixians I'm not saying that. They are following his teachings which his teachings are guthixian because they are his. His philosophy wasn't about balance it was about having no gods impacting the people living on the planet. The balance was what came from having no gods. Just read what Guthix said in his dying words during the world wakes to realize that.