Talk:Shattered Heart

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Starkiller58 13:53, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

final reward speculation
Anyone got any idea? I think it gonna be somethign related to the rune supply for magic... as said, the statue represent a mage during the second age, when there was very few runes, so we might be able to use less rune while training magic? even if this is for skillers, not combat. OR it may be double xp forever? unlikely I think... any more idea? I wanna be in 30weeks... lol
 * If it was a summoning obelisk it would be useful. Rich Farmbrough, 05:41 7 March 2010 (GMT).

Construction
To get the construction rock, do you have to just wait inside your house, or do you have to leave after a certain time and reenter?
 * I'm going to give it a whirl in a few minutes, so I'll try and let you know. He has knocked four times. 00:51, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

I got both construction rocks. I reentered. At first I stood for about 8 minutes and didn't get, so I reentered and after about a minute I got my first rock. Can anyone comfirm that entering a friend's house helps get the rock too?--Da wabbit is dead... 01:10, March 4, 2010 (UTC) @Elmerfudd893 It says you get them by entering "your" house, so my guess is no.

Inventory item?
I suppoze this is an inventory item taht appears as some kind of reward and can be "something"ed? Or could it just be a nice name for some other rewards. Waiting eagerly for it, as i'm a skiller. 15:41, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

items in your inventory...
does that mean now? as in, hints for it? or does it mean after the update thing comes out? 02:06, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Guide
http://www.runescape.com/c=-AD5Q178Vbk/kbase/guid/shattered_heart

18:46, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

confirmation on where rocks can/cannot be obtained
Just wondering if people are receiving rocks from activities other that those listed, in particular I'd like to know:

Mineral deposit mining

Superheating

Barbarian Agility Course

Extreme potion making

confirmed on Barbarian Agility Course08:53, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Deposit does not yield ore. (mined 800 gold/coal, nothing while 50 iron did the trick for both). Also heard someone who mined 3k coal there who got nothing

Farming trees
Can these rocks be obtained from harvesting trees/fruit trees? This is not in the article so I presume not. if anybody could clear this up for me, it would be great.

22:21, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Getting the second rock
Do you have to give the first rock to the museum before you can get the second rock? Or can you simply leave your first rock in your inventory or bank and continue to train until you get the second one? 22:40, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Actually you have to have both to take them to the museum. 23:29, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

You do not have to take the first rock to museum to get the second one. I got both ones for fishing and both for firemaking before i went to the museum. The one little problem is they do not stack in bank so for those of us with limited bank space there is a minor problem. Uffa 64 00:11, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. 00:37, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Experience Gained
What experience rewards, in what skills and with what levels are people getting?

6699 exp - lvl81 - crafting

5865 exp - lvl 77 - wood cutting

5428 exp - lvl 74 - cooking

5575 exp - lvl 75 woodcutting

please add

I've already added it to the article.I was not signed in at the time, but after reviewing other peoples rewards on the forums and here I believe the xp formula is

Y = (x)(x-1) + (100-x)

Y = Experience earned x = Skill level Barelyliving 23:33, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Appears to work well, well done.

I just got 5575 exp at lvl 75 woodcutting. According to the formula currently on the page I should've got 5375 xp, so the formula's off. Sorry! Sathe 13:18, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

You should recheck your math 75^2=5625 75*2=150

5625-150+100=5575 Barelyliving 20:37, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah for some reason I thought there were brackets around 2x+100 ... always overcomplicating things. *rolleyes* Good job on the formula, then. :D Sathe 21:39, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Construction rock
Another question: do both of the strange rocks for Construction appear randomly next to the portal, or does it just apply for the first rock? If the latter is true, I assume that the second rock is actually received from making furniture? 00:37, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

They both appear by portal, the second one just takes a LOT longer. I recommend alching, it took me 30 mins+ to get my 2nd one easily.65.89.42.202 01:06, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

I wish they made it so you get it when making furnature instead of randomly standing around... I'm prolly gonna throw a party to get mine.

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This all is highly anecdotal, but I received both woodcutting rocks then headed to my house to try for the construction ones. After waiting around for 15+ minutes, I tele'd to varrock, and turned my woodcutting rocks in. Went back to my house, got the first con rock within a minute. After receiving the first rock, I left and reentered my house, and the second rock also appeared within a minute. Similarly I have heard people talking about getting the second rock quite quickly after exiting and entering their house a second time. Wouldn't hurt to run in/bank any rocks in your inventory as well.

Yes, I've heard that you can recieve rocks from merely standing by your entrance portal. (Read on blogs, etc). it hasn't been confirmed, however, wether or not yu can get the rocks while in building mode (strange though it may seem). 08:18, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone with multiple house portals been able to get the rocks? I have two house portals, and have been standing mainly by the one that I normally exit from. I have not been able to receive a rock from either in the three, 15 minute time periods I have been here. --PerrinAlvar 22:46, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

To answer my own question, it is possible to receive the rocks if you have multiple portals, as I have just received the first rock from the portal that I last exited. I will see where the second one appears, but I assume it will be at this portal as well. --PerrinAlvar 22:54, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well I just got the second one while I was typing that out, within 2 minutes of the first one, both from the portal that I last used to exit. --PerrinAlvar 22:55, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Chance of 2nd rock
Can anyone confirm that the chance of getting the 2nd rock is twice as rare as getting the first? I got the 2 cooking rocks literally right after each other, and I got the mining ones barely an inventory apart. And going with the one up above, it doesn't appear that theres much of a difference between the first and second rock.65.89.42.202 03:08, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Can anyone please confirm what happens after the statue is rebuilt once? Do you have to rebuild it again? Do you get an item? What happens?

Also, someone commented about the first rock taking a while to get and the second one coming quickly. Jagex said that the odds decrease by 50%. So if there's a 2% chance of getting the first one (and therefore a 1% chance of getting the second one), then ~63% of the people will get the first rock after 50 times of doing the qualifying event and the second one after another 100 (150 total). However, it is entirely feasible that someone would get two in a row, just as it's possible someone might get the first one and then take 200 tries to get the second.

161.115.22.251 03:22, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

i experienced very different speeds in obtaining the rocks. so i ask myself wheather some activities in a skill give you the rocks faster then other. e.g. i got the first runecrafting rock after 40 runs to the astral altar with 4 pouches and the second after 14 more runs 14:09, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

I got my first rock after I fished one monk and the second rock after my sixth monk. I've cooked 7 or 8 packs of monks, however, and not received a cooking rock yet. I am doing a nice job of restocking my cooked monk supply. 22:02, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

I received both rocks for WC, Agility, Con and FM relatively quickly

but i have caught 1500+ lobbies and have only 1 rock, i understand it's random but this is crazy

Edit: saw the tip below for big net, got it in first inventory :/

05:41, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

900 strange rocks?!
I did get all 30 strange rocks.

After building the statue a cutscene was played in which the statue seemed to be getting alive, looking less grey for a couple of seconds. After that, however, it exploded, throwing you back. The archaeologists don't seem to pay attention to it, but talking to them reveals that they did pay attention to you while you built the statue and they also designed an item called Replica statue piece, which is given to you. It is same with agility strange rock but looks a bit brown/red instead of grey. Attempting to destroy the replica piece will say you'll have to build the entire statue to regain a replica piece.

In addition to this, the archaeologist gives you an item called Statue plinth, hinting you that you can build a statue in your own house on that. The Statue plinth can possibly be reobtained for free. It can be built on a new hotspot, in study room. An attempt to use the replica piece on the plinth will say you need its twin piece.

As I said, 'you'll have to build the entire statue to regain a replica piece'. This possibly means that there are more replica pieces (with a total of 30 - see 'you need its twin piece' I mentioned earlier) that need you to build the entire statue 30 times. Everytime you collect 30 strange rocks and complete the statue you are given one more replica piece. This makes us 30 strange rocks times 30 replica pieces equal to 900 strange rocks..

You also get 10 kudos the first time you build the statue. Lathow 05:52, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Nice, thanks! Any chance of editing the relevant pages, do you have any pictures? That's really interesting, I wonder if it's for decoration or has a useful purpose...and what happens when it is entirely complete! :D 08:13, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

I did not take any pics yet. Anyways, I have more info. According to a maxed player I know you may only build the statue ONCE a week. This means you need a minimum of 30 weeks to get all 900 pieces..Lathow 00:50, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Just finished the statue and snapped this pic:

--Zickhel00 01:01, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Plagiarism
Most of this page is a plagiarism from the Runescape Game Guide. This should really be fixed. coppro 05:47, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

It's hardly plagiarism ... and anyway, new sections always start out like this because all the information we have is FROM the game guide. It'll change a lot as we find out more, so just be patient. Sathe 13:20, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Salamanders
do you get rocks if you hunt them
 * sorry..forgot to sign it Leinad177 08:09, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Not as far as I know, only way to get rocks is box traps, deadfall and falcons. Lathow 07:52, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lathow, it's perfectly possible. There is a list in the knowledge base, but it is nto inclusive and says at the top (paraphrased) "Ways to get these rocks include:" I supppose Jagex want us to experiment etc. 08:15, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Rewards
Has anyone completed 2 or more statues? Can someone shed some light on the rewards? Speculation?

Mining: Living Rock Caverns
Has anyone been able to get a piece from the gold/coal at Living Rock Caverns yetsofar? PerrinAlvar 16:23, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

can somone confirm if u can get rock fom cannonball making

I guess you can't get them from the Caverns, my friend's been mining there almost nonstop since he got on and hasn't gotten a single rock. That, and jagex hasn't said anything about it. As for cannonballs... i'm gonna guess since you're not smelting or smithing them into items then you won't get them.65.89.42.202 20:22, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed, I have mined several hundred coal and gold there today and no rocks. Then got first rock on first piece of runite that I mined :(Old Farticus .. MARCH 4, 2010 16:29 EST

rocks at agility?
jagex said that you can get a rock from te gnome agility course, is this the regular or the advanced course or both?

I believe its only the normal one. Shame too >.< They should add the other ones to it, like nobody uses wolf course after 70...65.89.42.202 20:16, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Multiple people have reported getting rocks from the advance gnome course. It still seems to takes a long time though. Barelyliving 20:33, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Fly Fishing
Can you get one from fly-fishing? Or only net/cage fishing?

20:50, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Only net/cage. Old Farticus March 4, 2010 16:30 EST

Isn't a Distraction and Diversion
In the dev blog over Shattered heart I thought the mod who was desigining it said that it wasn't a distraction and diversion, or at least i think he did. Can anyone confirm this?65.89.42.202 22:39, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

On the guide it's listed under Distractions and Diversions so I would assume it is one.Rsa23899 03:51, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Agility
Can anyone confirm that werewolf course gives the rock? I been here for hours, like 100+ laps, with no stones, and I am going for my first! I know it lists in the KB, but I am thinking jagex may have meant to write wilderness instead (since it is listed here...). Bio 02:00, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can get them from Werewolf, it just takes a loooooooooong time, sigh, wish me luck for the next rock. 05:35, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

I got over 50 Brimhaven tickets without getting a single stone there, I think they might just be harder to get than the other skills. 04:49, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

I have noticed agility rocks are a LOT harder to get than any of the 7 rock sets I already have...Also big net fishing gives rocks way faster than lobsters...--Cahoszerox 04:50, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well I finally got one from the wilderness course. 04:57, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

HUGE TIP FOR AGILITY 1. go to agility pyramid 2. Go to to a 'low wall' and go over it repeatedly you will get a agility rocks fast!--Cahoszerox 05:16, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah that was much easier, confirmed. I would suspect that you can do this for any obstacle that you can easily redo, but this one is much easier than doing laps. 05:49, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

I got about 60k experience at Dorgesh-Kaan course without a single stone. I finally moved to wilderness course to see if it will give me one, still no luck after 30 minutes. -- k thx bye - Evil Borg2 05:58, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Answering the guy's questions that was on the main article page, I have proven that you can get Agility Rocks from the BArbarian Outpost Agility course. I've gotten one myself right there. -KingBlackChicken

I went to brim agility course and got both by steping over wall. I have 72 agility and got both within 30 mins, first was after 20 second at 30

Confirmed!! Got both rocks in l;ess then 10 minutes at the rock hurdle on level 1 of pyramid. Pardon the pun .. but well, That rocks! Old Farticus March 5, 2010 11:28 EST

Members only
Can any one confirm that it's member only please?
 * Shattered Heart is only accessible to RuneScape members. Please subscribe to get this feature. 15:19, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

My experience
I wasn't quite sure where to put this, but I figured if somebody is going to be compiling information, I should contribute. I've gotten two stones from each skill except for agility thus far. In general, I've noticed that contrary to the update's suggestion, it feels like after I get the first rock my chances to get the second rock INCREASE, and indeed I usually get them in the same inventory or withing a few of the first.


 * Agility - Tried Brimhaven for over 60 tickets, no luck, Werewolf course for 30k exp, still no luck.
 * Cooking - I tried cooking along with fishing. Didn't have any luck with lobbies (just like fishing) so used big net (bass and such) Got first rock in a load, second rock three loads later.
 * Construction - Stood for 15 minutes making arrows for first rock, another 15 or so after leaving for second rock.
 * Crafting - Got both rocks within a single load of crafting gold necklaces (no gems).
 * Farming - Took about 3 cycles (4 sets of fields) to get my first rock, got my second rock in that same cycle.
 * Fletching - Got my first rock within a load of making maple longbows (u), the second on the third or fourth.
 * Fishing - As mentioned above, five loads of lobbies yielded nothing, but big net fishing yielded first rock in one load and second rock a few loads later.
 * Firemaking - Burned through about a hundred maple logs, got both rocks in same inventory.
 * Herblore - Made about 150 potions over the course of the day using herbs from farming and miscellania. Not sure about exact moment for first rock, but second rock came about 20 potions later.
 * Hunter - Tried chins for an hour or so, no luck. Tried deadfall traps for an hour or so, no luck. Tried falconry for two hours after getting confirmation that it worked, finally got my first and second rocks within a few inventories of eachother.
 * Mining - Living rocks don't work, as has been confirmed. Got both rocks in a single inventory of grand tree mining (addy, mith, coal).
 * Smithing - Smelting gold did not work, got my first rock smelting my third load of addy (9-12th bars) and my second rock smithing those bars a few minutes later.
 * Thieving - I don't remember details, but it didn't take very long thieving from master farmers to get both rocks.
 * Woodcutting - Got both rocks within two inventories of yews in Seers village.

Chissey 17:26, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

15 weeks not 30 weeks
Well since there are 15 different statue parts shouldn't it take 15 weeks (or 16 including the base)? Fllour 20:15, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

No,there are 15 pairs of rocks,30 rocks total,you just can't add to the statue until you get a pair. -- 21:15, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

I think that each statue piece also has a pair, making it 30.98.25.87.46 21:13, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

But you get the stand first without a pair Fllour 21:17, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - You only get one replica piece each time you complete the statue, but I'm not sure why it would take 30 weeks. Then again I have only got a single rock since I completed it once. 21:32, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Construction Rocks
Has anyone with a workshop in their house gotten Construction rocks just by standing around? I spent 45 minutes reading books out of my bookcase, and nothing popped up. Do I have to make flatpacks? --Balton 21:23, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I got both of mine from just standing there, in non-build mode. I got both of mine within a few minutes of entering my house on seperate visits. I probably spent about 20 minutes total waiting, but I was probably lucky. 21:26, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! Wow, that's a relief. --Balton 21:32, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

The rocks only appear around the house portal. So you dont need to run up and down the floors. They appear as red dots on the mini map.--ElmerFudd893 17:34, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Strange Rock Rate with Agility Theory
I got some new theories on how you get the rocks, mainly agility. I also think I know the strange rock rate. The first rock seems to be 1 in 50-100, and the second is double the rate (so 100-200). It is hard to give exacts, but doing the action to get both stones 300 times is what you should expect (can be much rarer or much more common, all luck).

In the FAQ, this answer was given "It’s not to do with the agility course so much as the obstacles you’re crossing. With time will come the knowledge of which bits do, and do not, give rocks." As someone mentions in my previous question about the agility stone, repetitively doing low walls DOES give the stone quickly. This leads me to believe that all CLIMBING actions give the agility stone. Weather it is over a low wall, up a slope, through a pipe, or maybe even up a fence or tree (like in gnome). The only Climbing action in werewolf is 1 slope, so that is only part that seems to trigger the stone making it much harder from it. In Dorgesh-kann I believe it is the climb through hole and the squeeze though opening that can give the stone, also making it rare. Handholds and crossing ledges may also give the stone; I'm not sure about them. The theory behind climbing is that while climbing, your hand comes across a stone that you pull off and pick up. I doubt you would find a stone while doing things like swings, ropewalks, monkey bars, balancing logs, or jumping stones, since you don't grab onto any surfaces a stone could be.

Still, using things like the low wall at start of the agility pyramid repeatedly will take a good amount of time (150-300 actions), so don't expect right away. I did like 100 werewolf laps (took like 100 minutes or more and only 1 part of course had chance) and nothing, like 7 dorgesh-kann laps (2 mins each and 4 triggers per lap) and nothing, then like 150 low walls and got both. So I think all Climb Obstacles give the agility stone, but they may be other I didn't think of. Think this theory holds any fact to it or is it just me? =P Bio 21:38, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Runecrafting
Does dropping all your ess then picking one up at a time and cafting work? i tried it for about 15 mins got nothing and got boredFllour 23:35, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

I've been rcing for like 3 hours, about 30 mins at fire alter (no rock), 1.5 hours at ZMI (1st rock), and an hour at abyss doing nats and deaths, and only have my first rcing rock -_- --Cahoszerox 01:17, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the chance is per-essence not per-"trip" so no that shouldn't help. 21:48, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed a pattern...
When I'm trying to get rocks i seem to get the higher leveled ones a lot faster than the lower leveled ones. I was doing falconer for hunt, mine's only level 66, and it took me nearly an hour to get, then I did fishing, 99, and it took me 5 fish to get both. Similar rates for cooking (Got 2 right after each other in a little over an inventory, 99) and agility (nearly shot my foot off after doing wildy and wearwolf for an hour, then doing pyramid for another 30 minutes) (72) Maybe the rocks are more common at higher levels than at lower ones? Just throwing a theory of mine out there. 65.89.42.202 23:52, March 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * thats not the case. i have 66 cook and 60 fish and got both of them fast. I have 99 agility and took for ever untill i went to the pyrimid and did wall climb. i have 65 hunt and falconery is taking a while Fllour 00:04, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Something that I though of, mabey you get the rocks faster when you do things closer to your level. Any ideas on how to test this? 173.63.114.180 00:19, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was said on the rs forums in the weekly update FAQ (or whatever it's called, it's pinned under recent updates) that it's just as hard at higher levels. 00:09, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Serum for Herblore?
Does anyone know if making Serum (Tarromin + ashes) also gives you a chance for strange rocks? Red X 226 02:29, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just wasted 200 tarromins and came out nothing... Red X 226 04:09, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can also add that I made 300 serums for nothing, and then made around 150 attack potions for both. 22:27, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * These results aren't out of the ordinary, though. I personally did nearly 500 attack potions before my first rock. Thingummywut 00:02, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Extreme Potions?
Just wondering if its possible or if anyones actually gotten a rock from making extreme pots--Scott 0888 22:21, March 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Since the Knowledge Base says to combine unf. with secondaries only I'm guessing it won't work. Red X 226 02:31, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Farming
Farming is my last stone. is there any way to get this without having to wait for my crops liek planting than digging out?


 * Don't think so. You just have to be doing farm runs when you're getting other rocks. I have a protecting patch over each pair of allotments and plant all herbs, then bind my nature amulet to the herb patch planted last and wear it. (And that I'm actually farming all the herbs I can get for the bonus XP weekend.) Red X 226 02:34, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Chances not based on level
"Would it be possible to be able to get the stones faster if you're 99 in that skill already?"

''We believe that this would be making things easier for those at a higher level, which we’ve seen a lot of rants about! Therefore, we will not be doing this, thus keeping it the same for everyone!'' So, any theories on the level having to do with probability are unlikely. However, as was quoted above, certain activities are more likely to yield a stone, so a higher level may allow more effective ways to gain a stone. Vlastne 00:04, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Statue reward
Is there a reward for completing the statue each time? Aside from the culmination of experience from building it. Vlastne 01:58, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * See Replica statue piece. You can get one of them once per week, so this would imply that it'll take at least 30 weeks to obtain a full replica statue. Red X 226 02:37, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I meant more, each time (out of the thirty for the whole replica statue) do you get any extra experience or something of the like. Vlastne 03:29, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Many actions
I see a few comments "Doesn't work with method X - did 250" (or 500). They are probably correct because someone else would have done it, but they are not guaranteed, it took about 500 gold smelts to get one. Rich Farmbrough, 05:48 7 March 2010 (GMT).

Level 100
Anyone tried "adding " with the skillcape boost active? Rich Farmbrough, 06:04 7 March 2010 (GMT).
 * Answer no. Did it with cooking skillcape got 9703 xp (which I don't need... hm 200m xp ftw? ) Rich Farmbrough, 07:24 7 March 2010 (GMT).