RuneScape:Requests for deletion/RuneScape Gathering 2008

RuneScape Gathering 2008
This is a non Jagex function that is not a riot of any kind. It had nor has had any bearing on the game in the past nor future. It is simply a gathering of people that was planned, nothing more Cheers! Atlandy 20:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Delete per Atlandy (I think riot articles should be removed too, btw..). Christine 20:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Keep -- "3000+ attendees" is a figure that speaks for itself.


 * Prove it. Christine 00:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment Because there are alot of people, how is that game related? Cheers! Atlandy 23:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Oppose/Keep - Not just 3,000 people attended, but even more. At the time the following data was copied, (Right around 00:30 A.M. (UTC)), the peak hours are going, but are at the start of their daily decline. As quoted directly from RuneScape ' s world select screen: World 125	639 Players	Canada West	-	Free World 126	612 Players	Canada West	LootShare	Free World 127	601 Players	Canada West	LootShare	Free $$639+612+601=1,852$$. At the time of the party, Worlds 125 and 126 were full (2,000 people twice, so 4,000 people), and World 127 had about 1,500 people. $$2,000+2,000+1,500=5,500$$. Now that we know the general number of people that were on during the party and the people during the later peak hour times, we can figure out how many people were at the party. $$5,500-1,852=3,648$$. So, not just 3,000, but 3,600. But, let's say that some of the people that were on at that time were elsewhere, since it was slightly more in the middle of the peak hours. $$3,648-10$$%$$=3,283.2$$.

If that doesn't persuade you, here's another way to show that it had lots of people.

Sosolid2kk, a famous RuneScape-playing YouTuber, made an invite video to the party. As of 00:52 A.M. (UTC), he has 11,373 subscribers. About a month ago, he had 10,600, or so, as I recall. Now looking from the first 21 of his subscribers listed (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 (source for first 21 subscribers)) (findings due to be innacurate in the future), 12 have last logged in in the past 13 days, 7 have last logged in longer than 14 days ago, and 2 have their accounts suspended or closed. $$12/21=0.571428571$$, or 57%. 57%, more than half, of his subscribers were active on YouTube when the invite videos were released.

To find out about how many subscribers he had two weeks ago, let's average his current subscriber count with the approximate one a month ago. $$(11,373+10,600)/2=10,986.5$$.

If 57% were active, then about 90% of that 57% got the message that he released a video about an invite to the gathering. $$0.9/0.571428571=0.514285714$$, or 51%, got the notification. $$10,986x0.514285714=5,649.95852$$ (Dropped the ".5" in the number of subscribers since you can't have half a person.) 5,000 people got the notification. Now, whenever I get a notification that one of the people I'm subscribed to upload a new video, I watch it. It's why I'm subscribed to the person.

Now that I've said everything I just said, I can finish what I'm trying so hard to type, which I'm getting tired of with all the data gathering and math I'm doing. Sosolid2kk's invite video has 67,740 views as of 1:30 A.M. (UTC), minus two I gave it when I clicked on the link to it to get the view count, and when I had to click on the link again because I accidentally closed the tab. It has been up for 13 days, which is one day less than two weeks (Uploaded on the 8th, and today's the 21st.). We can divide the view count to see about how many views there were per day. $$67,740/13=5,210.769231$$ views per day. The event was on the 19th, which was 11 days after the uploading of the video. $$5,210.769231x11=57,318.46154$$ was approximately how many times the video was viewed before the event.

57,000 people were told about the event. That can show that it could easily be more than 3,000. If 10% of the people that saw the video came to the event, it would have been at least 5,700 people.

Well, all that proves that the attendance was at least 3,000 people.

And so what if it wasn't a riot? It was at some points with people following a leader and all yelling "Bring back Pk" which would fill up the screen, as much as it is here.

As for it being game-related, see the message at the top of this discussion, as well as every other page. "From the RuneScape Wiki, the wiki for all things RuneScape". 01:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Chia, more than 10% of people were off doing other things -.- all your numbers were just guesses, and not at all based on fact. You can't know that those people all went just cuz they saw the video. Christine 01:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For Christ's sake, pick apart his argument and don't just say garbage like "z0mg pr0ve it w/ facts dunt guess lol".
 * YES. WHY ON EARTH WOULD I WANT AN ENCYCLOPEDIA TO HAVE FACTS?!? Christine 02:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * A good 50% of the info in RSW is original research. It's difficult to prove that any information is correct unless the reader, for example, goes through a quest using one of our quest guides.  No one can travel back in time and "go through a party that has already happened", so the point of it "not being accurate" is unavoidable.  An exception would be that an editor had been at the party, made observations, and factually checked them twice, which would be no fun at all.  Another exception would be another editor going back in time and doing the previously mentioned observations, something I highly doubt has or will ever occur.


 * Another example of original research would be be Barrows; most of this guide is not based on cold hard facts, yet completely un-VfD-able.  This is because the "guide section" of Barrows remains informative, notable, and helpful, and that is why it is still at RSW.  Lastly, the only truly credible source is the Knowledge Base, which is incidentally the official RuneScape knowledge source.  It offers very limited information in comparison to fansites like us, which makes original research acceptable in the event of building a large pyramid of knowledge.

Delete How is this any different from a large clan event, other than the number of attendees? As Atlandy pointed out, this has no impact on the game's history... how many readers are going to be interested in a thousand people getting together and loitering? Riots can be considered to be part of the player reaction to an update, at the very least, so they can be covered in some form (though perhaps not in their own articles, but that's another debate). This is simply a mass gathering that was planned and coordinated by a handful of people, word of which spread to attendees outside of the game. Once again, sounds more like a clan event than anything. Skill 04:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Delete - If not deleted, this article needs to be seriously revised. We have a policy on not mentioning players. The article mentions Zezima like 5 times (last time I checked), and it also mentioned Tehnoobshow and some other players I don't know. Although riots and big protests are noteworthy, is some party planned by a few YouTube stars? We're an ENCYCLOPEDIA, not Runehq. If I planned an event and went ingame with 1000 players would I be allowed to create an article on my party? No, and for the same reason this article needs to go. 00:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Naming players in this situation falls under RS:IAR. To make the article more informative, players' names would be mentioned. 00:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment Hope none of you mind, but I chaged support and oppose to delete and keep respectively in order to avoid confusion and in keeping with proper wiki formatting.-- 00:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Delete - As Skill pointed out, this is nothing more than a large 'clan' gathering. The VFD isn't just about this article, its about all the other clan event articles that we would have to allow if this article isn't deleted. There have been several inter-fansite pking wars in the past that have been fairly big, and certainly more interesting than a bunch of players hanging out on Ice Mountain, but that doesn't mean that we should have an article about them too. The size of the event doesn't automatically equate to notability. 04:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment Hits on youtube have no bearing on the event. The fact that we are "all thing runescape" is a bit misleading. I have a Runescape tattoo, does that deserve a page (it is about runescape). I named my kid Askeladen, does that deserve a page? When Zybez or runehq host an event, do we have pages on that? what about the wikifest? Chia once again your logic has failed Cheers! Atlandy 11:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again, that's not what I said. I'd really appreciate it if you stopped saying that my "logic phailz", as Rendova would put it, just because you use an example that would make what I say incorrect. 00:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Chia, that's the whole point of this. To prove that the logic for keeping this article is incorrect. Christine 00:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment - You named your child Askeladen? Anyways, this is no more than a big clan event organized by some youtube stars. 21:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and he has a lesser demon tattooed on his bicep. Christine 22:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting... 22:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I lol'd!
 * Oi vey! >_< Christine 23:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Oh woe is me"
 * Noob.

Earthere, could you be a little more mature? Just a tad, this is not a place for you to be arguing with Christine. If you two want to argue feel free to make this page --> runescape.wikia.com/wiki/User:Puremexican/Earthere-Christine_arguement <-- or hell, just go at it in eachother's talk pages. , 01:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Pending - Ok, getting back to the topic at hand. The Multi Site Steel War 3 which had thousands of participants, was an organized effort by the biggest Runescape sites (Tip.it, RuneHQ, Rune village, rune crypt, Runescape community, Runescape B&B and Sal's) to have one more and one last multi-clan war before the new updates to the Wilderness (which occured less than two days later). This doesn't have an article nor is anyone arguing that it should. So considering this, why is the RS Gathering more deserving?