Talk:Rune Goldberg Machine

Tracking
While tracking might possibly be pointless, and certainly shouldn't be in the main article or on vis wax, I see no harm in actually doing it. If people hadn't tracked the penguins, we could still argue that their rotation was random. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 11:34, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Might just as well keep my own log here; 15 Sept 2014: Fire, Chaos, Body IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 16:04, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * 16 Sept 2014: Astral, Air, Blood IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 15:13, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * 17 Sept 2014: Death, Water, Cosmic IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:19, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * 18 Sept 2014: Air, Nature,  IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:15, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * 19 Sept 2014: Blood, Earth,  IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 03:54, September 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * 15 September 2014
 * Slot 1: Fire
 * Slot 2: Air, Law and ?
 * I believe the 3rd one to be chaos (according to someone on forum), and I think it would be a great addidtion to the wikia page.Rsshadow (talk) 11:47, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Not at this current time. Gather data, try and establish a pattern. If there is one, it will be possible to track the first two slots. If not, I oppose putting the day's details onto the page for the simple reason that, sooner or later, it will cease to be updated daily. 12:03, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * We could at least put the best rune for the first slot on the page for the time being. 08:57, September 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * 16 September 2014
 * Slot 1: Astral
 * Slot 2: Air, Body Mud, Nature (mine was Air)
 * My slot 3: Nature
 * I think tracking is a solid idea; whether or not to include the specific slot 2 and 3 per person is debatable, but we may be able to learn something from it (the possible 2nd slots can also be 3rd slots, from my combo). Tracking which runes are yellow and which are red could also be helpful to see why some are one color and some are another - for example, Mind was yellow while Body and Chaos were red for my third slot. Sorator (talk) 01:51, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the colours are how "good" they are. Green - BIS, yellow = "good, but not BIS" and red = "crap match". 01:58, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was wondering if they might also indicate what the best in slot rune is, though. Like, if the best rune was Fire, then the other elemental runes might be yellow while the rest are red, or the combo runes that include fire, or something like that. Didn't seem to be the case for me today, but it's worth keeping track for a bit to see if something might develop of it. Sorator (talk) 02:30, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Based on the news post (or was it the Jagex wiki article?) green = best, orange = ">50% of best" and red "<50% of best". IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:31, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Got a clan mate who had mud as his 2nd slot rune, so something is wrong up there. EDIT: It's air/nature/mud, not air/body/mud. 14:40, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

RSOF topic keeping records: http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?17,18,252,65479172. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 17:51, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! --EvilPuggy (talk) 20:14, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

The RSOF topic listed above has been locked. As far as I can tell this is the currently updated one: http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?75,76,392,65480496 Andrea Grey (talk) 08:22, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * "Vis wax fc" seems to be keeping track as well; they put the current combo in the fc title. (That's "vis wax fc", not "vis wax".) Sorator (talk) 03:23, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Listing

 * 15 September 2014
 * Slot 1: Fire
 * Slot 2: Air, Law or Chaos
 * 16 September 2014
 * Slot 1: Astral
 * Slot 2: Air, Mud or Nature
 * 17 September 2014
 * Slot 1: Death
 * Slot 2: Water, Steam or Mud
 * 18 September 2014
 * Slot 1: Air
 * Slot 2: Fire, Nature or Water
 * 19 September 2014
 * Slot 1: Blood
 * Slot 2: Earth, Mud, or Soul

Averages
(anyone more adept with maths, or more familiar with the workings of the D&D, please correct/add whatever is required - apologiees, as I'm lacking in both; I just wished to get this discussion going).

With the current prices listed, the average price for a base set of runes is 80,570gp. So unless the slots choose from specific catagories of runes, then the average you'd pay for base price is 241,710.

Even if you get the best setup first try, there is a 0.5% additional rune charge (I'm not sure if the % is always of the base number, or if it is the current charge, as I didn't check). So that'd bring the average minimum to be 242,908.55?

Is there a way to add an average base price to the table, and would it be usefull?

Given that the runes used may vary completely randomly, an average may not be that usefull for regular users, as they may possibly choose not to make wax on days when expensive runes are required (or may make the trade off between less adiquate runes, and fewer wax pellets/blobs).

If somone is using group knowledge to find out the first rune, and has 3 tries at the second one (0.5, 3 times) they then have a choice of 17 possibilities to get the last rune (if it cannot be the same as the rune used in another slot). Even if they took all 17 tries to get the perfect rune (This is a another variable I'm not happy with, there should be some way of working out how many goes it would take, on average, though perhaps more needs to be known about the red/orange/green indicators, first), and all 3 tries to get the second rune (20 in total, adding 10% to the price, if % is based on the base number), then there are still not that many combinations (out of the total number) which would give a loss, compared to the price of wax, at present.

Is there a simple way to have an automatic calculator on the article, to give an expected average (for somone using group information for the first two slots), once more of the contributing factors are known, without it being long and convoluted?

Sorry for the messy thinking - I'll be comming to fill in some of the gaps, once I have tested, if I have time. Thanks for reading. :) 86.144.94.133 11:14, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Amber
So I tried Air, Fire, Earth today and got Green green Amber and 92 Viz Wax. I suppose that "Earth" being amber may mean one of dust/lava/mud would have been green. I would have tested dust if I had thought of it. Rich Farmbrough, 21:14 18 September 2014 (UTC).