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{{Forumheader|Yew Grove|name=A Blast from the Past|subject=Discussion regarding how to handle a potential 2007 version of RuneScape|archive=true|closure=allow|date=19:11, February 24, 2013 (UTC)|user=Urbancowgurl777|type=Content|notes=Discussion move to [[Forum:Affiliate with 2007|Affiliate with 2007]]}}

Dear lord, they've done what no one thought they'd ever do.

[[Update:2007_-_Old_School_RuneScape..._You_Vote!|Jagex may or may not be bringing back old servers that are exactly as they were in 2007]]

What are we going to do? Well, the first answer in most peoples' heads might be a 2007 Scape Wiki, but even then there are issues to address because we are likely expected by just about everyone to be the wiki that will have the information. This update will probably be more popular than Classic and thus more something to think about hard.

*Are we going to house the OldRS information here, or are we going to create a new wiki?

*If we keep it here, how?
**More articles?
**Merge the info onto their current articles?
**Perhaps a new 'Old School' namespace?

*If it's a new wiki, how?
**Do we send a few admins over? I mean, how are we going to properly start a 'new' community?
**Are we automatically sister sites with link exchange? Probably yes.

*If we in any way decide that we won't host 2007 info here, how do we tell everyone that rs.wikia is '''not''' the place to add or obtain such information?

There's a lot to discuss with each of these and a so many more questions to bring up.

'''<del>Pickles</del>''' Hi. I could have sworn there were more, but I only managed to find one forum by searching keywords that has a certain amount relevance here: [[Forum:RS Classic NPCs]]. {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 22:56, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

==Discussion==
Drawing a blank, to be honest. Nothing thus far. Everyone else discuss. {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 18:14, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
:Well at first we need to all VOTE when the poll gets up :D{{Signatures/Joeytje50}} 18:18, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

'''Do nothing''' - I'd rather keep us focused on this version of the game. If someone wants a 2007 wiki then he can make it. It should be an entirely separate wiki (so no, we shouldn't send people over, though editors are of course free to join the other wiki as they please). {{Signatures/Liquidhelium}} 18:23, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

'''Treat it like RSC''' - We can get a few interested users to start up a wiki here on Wikia (which will need a good name for making it easier to find; nobody's gonna look for oldschoolrunescape.wikia.com) and then keep the [[Old School RuneScape]] article to inform people about the general specifics of this server. It would also have a link to the rs2007 wiki at the top, like the [[RSC]] article. Articles wouldn't have a <nowiki>[[Template:RSC page]]</nowiki>-like template on them, because there are way more articles that would qualify for that than there are for RSC. This would just be spammy on the articles. Setting up the community wouldn't be that hard, I think. If we get a couple of interested users to create some basic articles using templates, in an organised way (maybe include some botspam or cookspam or something). I would personally be interested in atleast helping this wiki get started (as well as play RS2007 myself). {{Signatures/Joeytje50}} 18:42, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
:Is import feasible? {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 18:45, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
::Well, we could import pages from that date from the rswiki, but I think it would be better to start over on that wiki with certain templates. The rswiki was very unorganised at that time, and I think it will be better to start from scratch, create a couple of templates that can be used to create pages, and have consistency and the necessary categorising from the start. That will make sure the wiki is as organised as possible.{{Signatures/Joeytje50}} 11:20, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
'''Do nothing''' - I find myself agreeing with Liquid. This wiki has long been focused on the game as it stands today, regardless of our relentless documentation about older versions of the game: [[Graphical updates]], [[:Category:Historical article|Historical articles]] and so on. To introduce a separate section for an older version of the game is only going to cause issues and should therefore be relocated to a new wiki.

As for naming, just name is after whatever Jagex name this version, likely RuneScape 2007 or similar, so there's no confusion over what you're searching for. {{User:Cåm/Signature|19:14,  13 Feb 2013 (UTC)}}
:Should we try to get the possible names reserved for ourselves now? {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 19:22, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I think it would be good to get them in the hands of someone atleast slightly trustworthy.{{Signatures/Joeytje50}} 19:40, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
'''Not here''' - I'm going with what Joey said. Although, Mol, if a new wiki is started, we don't have to "properly" start it. Granted, I'm sure there are a few admins who will help on that wiki, but it doesn't have to have any sort of official "This is how the RuneScape Wiki is going to set up their new wiki". It's a side project, simple as that.

Also, I think they need to go through the official link exchange process. If the [[Forum:Affiliating with the RuneScape Classic Wiki|RS Classic Wiki]] had to go through the process, this one has to also. {{Signatures/Blaze fire12}} 19:17, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

'''Do nothing - '''Agreed, this wiki is NEW content.  If jagex wants a 2007 variant, treat it as a different game.  If the new wiki wants to borrow the pages from here as a start template, let them.[[User:Deltaslug|Deltaslug]] ([[User talk:Deltaslug|talk]]) 19:58, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

'''Do nothing''' - Don't create a new wiki, don't make 2007-specific pages. Make ONE page, just like the [[Classic]] page, that lists 2007 server information and links to the relevant sister wiki, when there is one. If you want to make the wiki yourself (directed ta no one in particular), fine, but keep it completely separate from the RuneScape Wiki. Just treat it like Classic. {{User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature}} 20:41, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

'''Not nothing''' - Whatever our decision is, we should be notifying our readers so that we have to deal with our keeping of 07 info to wherever it is chosen to be as little as possible. I'm just hoping you do nothingers didn't have disclosure an item on your ignore list for the completion of the process of doing nothing. {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 22:37, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

'''Have a page and create a separate wiki''' - While it's great and all that they're doing this, I don't necessarily see why we should be dealing with RS2007 or whatever it's going to be called, if it does go ahead. This server will be like RSC, and aside from a few pages of old content we don't have anything to do with it. So why should this be any different? {{Signatures/Ciphrius Kane}} 23:03, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

'''Per Ciph''' - We need a clear name that is not taken (2007runescape and runescape2007 is taken). {{User:Jr Mime/Signature}} 01:58, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
:I'm still in favor of 2007Scape. {{Signatures/Blaze fire12}} 02:26, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

'''Make a page (or add-on to a page), don't make a new wiki''' - Please, this can not be compared to RSC (so much that another wiki should be made). RSC was a ''completely'' massive update that changed RuneScape greatly, so much that they needed to make RuneScape 2. 2007 was just a ''year'' that means nothing. Sure, lots of updates happened, but really? We don't need another wiki for it. I strong oppose to do anything except add some information about joining servers and such. {{Template:Signatures/Haidro}} 05:11, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

'''Do Nothing''' - Let someone else who wants to maintain a wiki for legacy servers do their own thing. This is not the place for nostalgia "updates." {{Signatures/Karlis}} 05:15, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

'''Comment''' - I feel as if we could at least make a wiki and have it administered by dem RSW admins and simply add the articles over by copying revisions from a specific date. As far as vandalism + updating the wiki articles... that's just ''wayyy'' '''TOO''' much work for us as the current RS wiki is already enough work for us not to mention the wiki trolls that stop by every day. If there is a group of people who would like to support it and would have the motive to maintain it, by all means go for it but I believe the current RSW admins should at least give it a ground. Oh also... also we need all focus towards the main game and updating stuff that's still to this day outdated because of the EoC. It's like 7 in the morning and I still haven't gone to bed so yeah if I sound stupid right now, it's because I'm tired so... yeah. Anyways, thanks for reading.{{=)}} {{Signatures/BrenRS}} 12:57, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
:Excuse my language but who the f**k is ''Sarah Manley'' and ''Tortured'' for "reserving" the wiki name rs2007.wikia.com? If anything, we better be able to re-claim the wiki, just saying... oh and also have redirects kind of like rs.wikia.com but instead have thing like 2007scape.wikia.com, 2007runescape, runescape2007, and 2007rs. {{Signatures/BrenRS}} 13:05, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
::ok {{Signatures/Flaysian}} 13:42, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
:::No idea who tortured is, but Sarah Manley is part of the Wikia Staff; be careful what you say lest you get yo ass phalanx'd. {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 19:41, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
::::Tortured is the person who took it. Sarah is wikia staff, and I think Wikia have a script going to autowelcome people from a number of different staff accounts. [[User:Michagogo|Michagogo]] ([[User talk:Michagogo|talk]]) 14:53, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

'''Our best action is inaction''' - Aside from one or two articles with all relevant information included, we should step back. If some randomer wants to start a new wiki specifically concerning the 2007 version of the game, cool. If not, whatever. For all intents and purposes, it's a different game. It has nothing to do with us. {{Signatures/Flaysian}} 13:42, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Most of the content is the same as pre EOC stuff. I was just looking up the exact stats on climbing boots and all I  saw was the EOC data. Why not do something like this:

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Rune_scimitar

Turns into 

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/2007/Rune_scimitar

Now many things HAVE changed, but at least make an option to View Pre-EOC data. I think the best option would be to do something like I stated above with your oldest Post 2007 Backup, and then let the people of Official 2007scape put things in place. {{u|144.162.187.74|16:26, 14 February, 2013}}

:ok {{Signatures/Flaysian}} 16:53, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
::Because the consensus is strong in having the 2007 information not be here. If you know how wikis work, you can easily get the pre-EoC information in the page's history. {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 19:40, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

'''This''' - Make a page about the servers. Actually, I am in favour of a 2007 namespace as that would be easiest for items with old bonuses, looks etc. {{Signatures/Fswe1}} 17:10, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
:We don't do that for Classic. {{User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature}} 18:02, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
::True, but Classic has less information and is less popular. {{Signatures/Fswe1}} 18:14, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
:::Not really considering how incredibly different it is than the current RS. If you want to make a namespace for 2007 we would have to do it for Classic too. {{User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature}} 18:16, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
:::Copy everything, Remove all content added after 2007 and what is left over is mostly the same. There would be a few things that would need to be fixed, like quest remakes but it shouldnt be that difficult compared to  starting from scratch. Yes it is very different from runescape classic. There might be a few hundred people who still actively play RSC. There will be over 10k active users for the 2007 remake. Possibly more. Tbh, all we really need is a backup of pre-EOC info. The community could sort through and remove new pages and fix the rest. The older the better. But Starting from scratch is not a feasable idea. The ammount of data that would have to be manually re-entered would be substantially more than just changing what we have here.[[User:Skellyton5|Skellyton5]] ([[User talk:Skellyton5|talk]]) 18:28, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

'''Comment''' - I've created [[w:c:2007scape]]. Maybe we could get some things set up already (I've started with a few things already){{Signatures/Joeytje50}} 19:11, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
:Makes me burrocart pl0x. Also, get an export of pages that existed during this time and the revisions that are relevant. {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 19:38, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

'''Notice''' - [[User:Michagogo|Michagogo]] has created 2007-runescape and 2007rs. Whatever is not chosen as the new wiki could be redirectors to the correct wiki. For the record, I '''support using a new wiki''', with the added stipulation that Wikia could probably whip up an import script from all pages in 2007, from this wiki to the new one. {{Signatures/A proofreader}} 22:20, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
:Work is already in progress on importing pre-2007 pages to the wiki Joey made. {{Signatures/AnselaJonla}} 22:23, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' - And runescapeold, and oldrunescape. There's a creation limit of 2 per day, so I've been collecting placeholders. [[User:Michagogo|Michagogo]] ([[User talk:Michagogo|talk]]) 14:53, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
::And rsold. I'll update here if I come up with anything else. Also, I'd like to apologize to all the admins -- I had no idea that that generated emails. If you want rights on rsold or any more placeholders, let me know... [[User:Michagogo|Michagogo]] ([[User talk:Michagogo|talk]]) 17:02, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
:::You are willing to relinquish the name to Joey, correct? AFAIK, his wiki is thr best developed thus far. {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 15:03, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
'''Make an obvious alliance''' - I personally think that we should use the 2007Scape wiki that has been suggested for all of the articles that will be based around that server, but we also should make a clear alliance with the wiki. Add links to all of the appropriate pages that this wiki would share with the old wiki, since I can imagine plenty of players will look to us first for the pre-eoc server information. Doing nothing is a poor way to go about this, it makes us look exceptionally lazy. {{Signatures/XxXxGradiusheroxXxX}} 00:19, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

'''Use the new wiki''' - I've been off for about a week until I got an email about userrights. Let's do what we did with Classic and add links in relevant articles to the 2007 wiki. {{Signatures/thebrains222}} 07:12, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

'''New wiki''' - I was going to base my decision off the poll that Jagex is doing, but I think with the mass amount of pages, it'd be better to have a new wiki. Depending on how popular it is, will determine how linking should be done, in my opinion (ie. If they only get X amount of people to vote to only open up one server, linking shouldn't be as vital; and vice-versa). {{Signatures/Hairr}} 17:04, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

'''Comment''' - the vote is now live, found [http://services.runescape.com/m=poll/c=hOW678BCoAY/rs2007-server here], and at the time of my posting this has already achieved the 50k votes required for the most basic level of the servers. {{Signatures/AnselaJonla}} 17:44, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I'd like to bring up our affiliation with some 2007-era ''RuneScape'' Wiki. Thus I ask ya'll some questions:
#Yes? No?
#Whom?
#Take it to another thread?
#Ask again later?
I'd rather not take suggestions and instead let an admin from said Wiki post (or make a new thread if it is decided that is better). This may seem inappropriate to ask here and now, but frankly, it is relevant enough. {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 20:14, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
:5. come back with a different thread when the wiki is somewhat developed {{Signatures/Flaysian}} 22:37, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
::That's #4 noob! {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 22:38, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

*'''Include it here''' - In either its own namespace or as subpages. New wikis suck. [[User:Ajraddatz|Ajraddatz]] <small>([[User Talk:Ajraddatz|Talk]])</small> 01:09, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
*'''Link to sister wiki''' - If thats how we did it with RS classic, thats how we should do it now. No doubt at least some of the people who edit this wiki will put information into that one on the side (I know I will) but the only 'offial' action this wiki should take is 1 genreal infomation page more-less about the update itself, and a link at the top of the page to the sister wiki. [[User:Servant Girl|Servant Girl]] ([[User talk:Servant Girl|talk]]) 05:39, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

'''Comment''' - To be fair, "we did it this way for rs classic" is not a good argument by itself at all. If it's a good idea to have a seperate wiki for the other versions of the game, then you should already have actual arguments to use whereas if it is a poor idea, then you're just providing a bad example by using that. {{Signatures/Chessmaster}} 13:49, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
:Agreed, but I feel that a lot of validity is brought to the separate wiki argument in Joey's creation and planning of one. {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 13:54, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
::"we did it this way for rs classic" because of the vast amount of information it gives, and that it completely differs from the current game.  Classic has it's own servers, separate entry point, and uses a different account than your main runescape account.  Doesn't this sound familiar? Now, to be fair, to say rs2007 is the same as classic wouldn't be correct. Just compare how much information will need to be gathered.  '''Every''' photo has to be retaken, '''all''' the pages have to be updated, it's like we're ''creating'' a '''''new''''' wiki. With this said, could we compare this to beta?  Different servers, different information?  I would say no.  Beta was going to be part of the main game either way, so the information was going to be gathered in the end (hopefully).  Jagex even says: "2007 servers will come back as a separate entity to the main Runescape game."  It's different.  It's big.  It's a lot of work, with no reason to keep maintained here. {{Signatures/Hairr}} 15:47, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

'''Comment''' - We really need to decide what the best name for the new wiki is. 2007scape.wikia.com is probably not the best name for the wiki, since that is not the official name of the relaunched game, and it kinda looks like a private server. A good name would be runescapeoldschool, or rsoldschool, or oldschoolrunescape or something like that. runescapeold, rsold, oldrs, or stuff like that might work too, but that's probably not as good as main wiki name (there can be redirects to the wiki from those other wiki names). So, what would be the best name for this wiki?{{Signatures/Joeytje50}} 17:03, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

'''New wiki''' - which may or may not have any of the same admins as here. How that wiki is organized is an issue for that wiki. The issue for this wiki is keeping it as the current game (except for the inactive, historical stuff, specifically noted as such). --{{User:Saftzie/Signature}} 04:20, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

'''Comment''' - I agree with Chess that ''RSC did this'' is a terrible argument on its own. I also disagree with the argument that rs2007 and RSC are inappropriate to compare. To keep it short, both have had a change in the combat system '''and''' the game engine itself (remember June 9) '''and''' graphics (RSHD was '08, right?). They can be considered equally different from the current game and people should appreciate that fact. {{Signatures/The Mol Man}} 15:03, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

{{Closure|complete|Discussion dead and info is already being kept at another wiki discussed [[Forum:Affiliate with 2007|here]]}}

'''Closed''' - Discussion has been moved to [[Forum:Affiliate with 2007]]. {{User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature}} 19:11, February 24, 2013 (UTC)