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If it were not for this:

"Join the RSWNP staff today and keep it running! All writers will receive 10k coins per article. Just sign under the desired sections and we'll contact you saying what you need. The signups will end on May 17 (a Sunday)."

First off, who's paying that 10k, and will they be able to guarentee that the coins get to those that deserve it? Secondly, the wiki and in-game matters should not overlap (with the exception of certain policies and WikiMarket) least that was the way it was the last time I checked. Third, the newspaper was never truly finalized; IIRC, it was still awaiting true approval to go ahead and start (but I could be wrong there). Finally, it's rather unpopular, and I say we kill it off so it doesn't clutter people's online/offline lives.

Comment away. --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 16:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


Support - For the reasons listed, and because it really is just...terrible. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 16:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Oh noez! Anyway, to be honest I didn't fully support the newspaper in the first place either, but because I somehow ended up as one of the chief editors, I suppose I have to defend it in some way. I don't think it will clutter anyones' lives because you have the choice of signing up or not. If someone doesn't want to write for it, then he can simply not write for it. A newspaper won't hurt the wiki, and there are definitely people who are interested in writing for it, so why not give them the opportunity?

Also, Jack Spiral1 and Crazy sasori claimed they will give away the 10k per article, though I don't know if they have enough money between them to last for any period of time.  Tien  17:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Oooh... that's kinda harsh Tienjt0 =/ lol. Anyways, the reason I oppose the newspaper being abolished is it is getting started, I'm not sure on this but we've only had one issue or something? We can't give up. I think I'll go sign up now... Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 17:45, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Support - Not much users are helping in the first place, and the first newspaper was... kinda shit. It just has no uses. I agree abolishing it.-- Miasmic Blitz.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 18:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, that s-bomb came out of nowhere. o.o 21:59, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

'Complete Oppose - Why have it end? Users get to be involved and have fun! i have 1.5m in my bank sitting around. Have you seen how many ppl signed up? here it is Is it harming any one? I have NOT been blocked I'm now Armadyl BunnyThis is important 20:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Fluffy Bunnies. Give them a chance. ^^ Andrew talk 20:21, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Huge Oppose - As a response to your question,Tien,User:Jack Spiral1 is paying the 10K. Just yesterday out of the blue he offered me 20K for my services to the Newspaper. and he payed me in full! On the spot,he gave 20K,no questions asked. I don't see why you want it to end! I read Enigma's and Billybomb's stories and they were really good! I dont see why you want it to end. And,also,the 10K is per article not per hour you know... --

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Oppose - per Sir Scizor. And if Jack Spiral and Crazy Sasori happen to run out of cash, I'm sure many people (myself for one) would be happy to fund the paper. I would love to help more but recently I've been overrun with homework. 21:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit: Oops, I haven't signed in. Here's my signature: ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  21:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I would be glad to help pay for the Newspaper as,i am sure,would many others,also,the only reason i haven't been able to contribute as much was because i had a lot of homework in the middle of April. --

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Comment - No need guys, 1,500,000 is a lot i mean 100k per month lost at the most is enough for more than a year. Thanks for offering but me and jack will take care of it I have NOT been blocked I'm now Armadyl BunnyThis is important 21:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - It is just getting started up. Nothing can take off right from the start. Just give it a few more issues, that will have more editors coming in for it. ~MuzTalk 21:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Its not hurting anybody, its just started up, and its a good idea (and I didn't think last issuse was bad). Weird gloop.png @Gaz#7521 22:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - you never gave it a chance to run. The newspaper is one of our "community projects", which are an integreal part of what our Wiki is. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 22:50, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Per all above.-- 23:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC):IPs cannot vote. --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 23:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea they can, on anything except UOTM, per a discussion last year.--Degenret01 06:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Please cite the discussion or some sign of consensus, as far as I know Ip's are not granted rights because it could be something as simple as a sockpuppet. If you check the ip's history, you will see its only activity is in this thread posting a support/oppose. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 07:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - One bad month (out of two) isn't really enough of a reason to abolish it, there are still interested readers and writers. I say give it a chance, with time more people will be aware of it and it will have more writers and readers. Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 23:27, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - So far I have heard that the newspaper is an integral part of our community base, and that having people participate and have fun is good. However support for the project is not coming from peoples willingness to participate, it is from their willingness to get paid 10k per contribution. From what I understand, the paper had trouble first getting started because no one was really interested, the last few issues have been really weak because no one is still very interested. Also, many of the people opposed to abolishing it don't even contribute or even read it themselves. I opened the paper for a couple of seconds and found it riddled with spelling and grammar errors as well as a number of extremely short and unfunny jokes. Several of the sections lack any real content, and it just has no overall point. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 23:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

10k per article has got to go - The newspaper seems like a fine project and if it works, great, but if it doesn't get off the ground, that's ok too. These projects don't always succeed. I do have a big problem with offering in-game money for doing anything in the wiki. That sounds like a slippery slope on the path to real world trading. I also think it compromises some of the principles of the wiki. I think this needs to stop and soon. I understand if you have to "pay" the people that already wrote articles, expecting the money, but it is my strong opinion that it should end now. I think this has the potential to do damage to the wiki community. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 00:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Update, I took a look at Rules#Rule_12_-_Real_World_Item_Trading, and from my reading of it, this offer runs afoul of rule 12. Yeah so lets stop this now (the 10k thing, the newspaper itself is fine). Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 00:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
You know, I was just about to bring up this point. If you need to persuade people to do something with internet coins, that is wrong. I am glad that you have brought this up. ~MuzTalk 00:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
You're right, Toll. I'll inform them now, if they haven't been informed already.  Tien  12:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Sorry stinko, I believe that the Newspaper will become a great addition one day, it's still in the baby stage only.=) And Yea, I don't think there was a consensus on allowing us to make it yet. I think it was Jack spiral who jumped ahead and started to create the paper.Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 00:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Although the first issue reminds me a bit of Klinger's attempt to start a newspaper, I think it deserves more than one issue after going through the hassel of getting approval to start. This is sort of the opposite of wait a while to someone's RFA. Let this project age a bit. {I too oppose the 10K idea per the RWT issues raised above, but not due to concerns over payment.}RumplePug 01:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I think this is unfair, the first paper was, as Hapi so eloquently put in the word "shit" was so because a lot of people did not work. I know alot of those who signed up could not write because of real world things, and I understand that, but the paper needs workers. If anyone who is working on the paper feels that they can't work on the paper for a month, or longer, please tell me on my talk, thanks. I added the 10k payment as a kind of gift of appreciation to those who wrote for the paper. I can get rid of the coins rewards, and maybe instead give away userbox rewards etc. Please don't abolish the paper before it has really started, give it a chance and I'm sure it will turn out well. --Cannonball.pngJack Spiral1Rapier.png 01:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Maybe it's a good idea to have more time between each newspaper. So that the editors have more time to make bigger articles, etc. I'm sure that would do well for the RSWNP.-- Miasmic Blitz.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 10:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

That is possibly a good idea. Or, to have it once a month, place writers and such in groups. One month does June, the other does July. That way, each group has two months to write, plenty more than enough time I would say. ~MuzTalk 10:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment I was not a supporter of the idea at all when it started, but I figured what the heck, give it a chance. Although, I never read any of the first issue because all the links I saw went to empty pages. So I doubt many other people read it either. Let em try for a bit. --Degenret01 10:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose It's a great idea, and should stay.. although the 10k thing should be removed. The great goblin historian Anton, Wannabe Historian The great goblin historian 12:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I'll edit the sign up page deleting the 10k stuff. I have NOT been blocked I'm now Armadyl BunnyThis is important 14:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Giant Oppose - I think it's unfair that ppl want to abolish a Newspaper. If you think it's dumb, just ignore it. Although the 10k for each article was a little strange, I think the RSWNP has its own rights. I liked the idea of a project of a newspaper. I mean, I wanted to show my fan fiction, but no one saw it. I can't possibly imagine the RSWNP gone after all that hard work. LEAVE IT BE!!!!!!!

Youdead0015:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - The "10k per article" has now been abolished.  Tien  15:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I think that Crazy Sazori and many other users are right. The RSWNP is about FUN! So ^%@&$ you abolishers. I liked the idea of a newspaper.

Youdead0015:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - A recent congrats and thank you to everyone who helped to get the next article published,I think its great! Keep the Peace and the Post!

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Oppose - Per Jedi/Fluffy bunnies. Statistics.png Lvl 3 skils3 Choice! Talk~ Holiday Signup ~Hiscores 23:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Guys at least give the newspaper a chance, it's been only two issues and you've already got the torches ready. If needed I can write multiple stories to keep content up, but I could use some help with editing which is why my latest story wasn't on the paper. Anyway, we just need to wait for writers who can excell in the field they have applied for, to excell. Once they get the experience they need then the paper will definately take off. Quest map icon.pngBilly Bomb7Stories!Locked diary.png 23:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - This can be closed now, I'm pretty sure we got a consensus. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 23:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I dont think so [1]. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 04:55, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I think this should be closed. NOW! (Count the supports) Youdead0017:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

We are not a democracy, so we don't base decisions on majority vote. Though I think this has reached consensus - the supporters' (of abolishing) points have been countered - (they dislike it -> they don't have to read; they disagree with the 10k per article -> its been stopped). Unless there's any other reason for opposition, I'm happy for this to be closed. Weird gloop.png @Gaz#7521 18:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Well heres the thing, the paper is run by wiki members and is part of the wiki. If I didn't like one of your suggestions to improve a page or remove something I thought was fine, would you be ok with just not reading it or leaving? On top of that, for several days now I have been reminded via sitenotice that the paper has once again become majorly understaffed and poorly maintained. So, unless you want to separate the paper from the wiki completely (removing any wiki affiliation) and not advertise for volunteers in global site notice then I would appreciate you not jumping to conclusions. I have still yet to here someone reply to my concern about how the newspaper is severely lacking in good quality anything or correct spelling and grammar. We already post any noteworthy Runescape updates on the main page and we have an article for almost everything in Runescape and about Jagex. Why am I the only person to think this is basically our version of unrunescapewiki or other unfunny and useless projects?Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 18:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

You're not the only one, here I am!-- Miasmic Blitz.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 05:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't say it's "unfunny and useless." The newspaper would serve as a period of bliss and relaxation from the hard work of maintaining the wiki. I think many users would want to take a couple minutes to read articles written by their fellow wikians.  Tien  15:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

GIANT OPPOSE - Why the f*c* would we get rid of the paper? It may not have much staff, but more and more people are joining to keep the paper alive. it was a little late for may, but that's not a reason to get rid of it!

oppose - do not kill the baby because it is useless, it will become good.Joe Click Here for Awesomeness16:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

To all participants - Please remember to remain civil and mature there is no need for rudeness.--

22:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment/question Is there one person whom is the editor in chief? Make sure all people at least turn on spell check when they write their articles. Review them before putting them in the complete section. Use sandboxes. --Degenret01 06:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Answer - There are two chief editors along with several assistant editors. On the next issue, I will try to remind everyone to spell-check because, admittedly, the quality of some of the articles is rather poor.  Tien  15:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Hey, N.O. (No Offense), but it seems the only reason you want to abolish the newspaper is because of the 10k per article sentence. It's been removed several days ago. In the U.S., we decide important stuff by democracy,(even the Rswisn't decided by polls) which is unlike other countries, but you're acting really stupid now. My (And other ppl's) decision is final.

Youdead0021:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

You are mistaken in that we are not the US and we are not a democracy, the dissenting users are entitled to their opinions as much as yourself.-- 21:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Per Azaz,but I do think that the Newspaper should stay. I thought we had already reached an agreement that the Newspaper would stay,anyway. --
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Comment - How has consensus not been reached? The vast majority opposes, the 10k issue has been resolved and the remaining arguments in support of abolishing the paper are based entirely on opinion. Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 22:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I was not commenting on whether consensus has been reached, I was referring Youdead00's misunderstanding of policy rather than this particular discussion.-- 22:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Because there are still 4-5 people who support and a couple who are on the fence. Clearly not consensus, the fact that I am still active in this thread and supporting it proves that. You cant just look at criticism and say "oh thats not a problem" "okay it wont happen again" "okay we will stop paying people to contribute" "okay we will use spell check from now on". There is zero policy/rule on the paper, it has zero quality standards, and it is essentially pointless. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 23:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment There are only to supporters, and they are yet to provide us with any valid reasons for it. Even the author has opposed the abolishment of the newspaper. The only possible cause, the "10k" issue, has been resolved. With no real opposition, I'd call it a consensus, unless an army of supporters shows up suddenly... Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 23:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Myself, Hapi, and Stinko make three, and I have talked to a few users about the issue who have yet to post here.

My problem with the idea of a newspaper:

  • This is a wiki, why in gods name do we have or want a newspaper?
  • It was never proposed, finalized, polished, or otherwise given notice. All of the other user created and maintained projects had to go through several steps with complete agreement of all involved parties before anything ever saw the light of day, not to mention a global sitenotice begging for volunteers.
  • Professionalism, spelling and grammar, any sort of organization? I just opened a page of the april post (thats right, last month's post) and found half of it incomplete, the other half lacking any type of coherent structure or correctly written content. It also was not written in a way that would attract readers. (example: [2] )
  • If the paper is bustling with interest, why are all of the issues, even the ones in months past incomplete? Why at one point was money offered for contributions? Why isn't every single person who wants the paper to stick around contributing to it? Do they even read it?

As I said earlier, if you want to write witty paragraph long editorials and copy/paste Jagex's user art into your own section I suggest you check out UnRunescapeWiki [3]. Keep that childish garbage off of this wiki. And also, stop dropping f bombs on myself or any other supports, that is exactly the reason I don't want this paper or the most of the kids who want it to stay around. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 01:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Tear it down, organize it, and start again. Make finalized rules regarding grammar, minimum-maximum lengths of articles, etc. If it doesn't work, don't try again. 02:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Why tear it down? It only had 2 issues. The RSWNP was about fun! It wasn't made for this page to be made and fellow wikians cussing at each other! I mada a mistake about the policy, but we shouldn't cuss at each other for a page to be deleted. The 10k per article hing really ticked me off, but it was gone 8 days ago! The newspaper will stand.

Youdead0013:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

You already opposed on this page, please only do that once. Thank you Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 13:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I'd like to bring up an idea that I had before the newspaper was... proposed. I wanted something similar to the format of the Times, where just one or more editorials would be periodically released to the community. Without the other sections like fan fiction, watercooler, etc., it would be much easier to approve the editorials, and we would only publish them if they were written properly, to avoid "childish garbage."  Tien  13:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I agree with Tienjt0. I expected the newspaper to something like the Tip it Times (which have very good editorials).

Just look at this story from Rswfan:

There once lived somone named nooby200 and of course,They were the greatest noob on noob land. This noob became stuck on a planet called noob's planet and that is where all noob's lived but when you go to noob planet you will have to start from level 3 again and do all of the turutiol level again. This certain noob called nooby200 has been stuck on this planet for over 200000000000 years now. He cant get out no matter what he does, So one day a superhero came to save him and take him back to lumbridge but instead of saving the noob, The superhero killed the noob instead and laughed at him when he died over 30000000000 times a day. The superhero's name was called 'Waffles200' And of course... This superhero loved waffles! Can you belive you being a superhero and killing noobs? No-one would certainly would want to be that superhero!

Something of such poor quality should not be in the newspaper. I only saw this after the newspaper for April came out. I can only imagine why none of the other editors did not remove it. C.ChiamTalk 13:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Noob --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 14:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Any reason for that comment?  Tien  15:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, joke went over your head there :P --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 19:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Personally, I oppose the complete abolishment of the newspaper at this time, but support adding, and enforcing, some guidelines. There has been some good/great work so far; including Horsehead's coverage of the Wikifest. However, there has been some lackluster work, as well, as far as Grammar, Spelling, and other guidelines we enforce on the main Wiki.

I'd like to editors of the paper to actually deem what is appropiate for showing on the paper, too. I mean, in a RL paper, writers sumbit their work to the editor, who may trash it, suggest changes as nessecary, or simply let it through; if it's not too much to ask of our editors, could you do such here?

I think that the fanart section either needs to be scrapped, or some strict guidelines implemented; looking at the pictues from this past issue, none of them were made by users here; all of them seem to have been pulled off of the RuneScape Website in some way or another.

That's all I can really think of right now, though. --Beware the underrated. Pikaandpi Berserker Fury!Hit hard or go home. 14:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

We need actual edtors to remove unworth content - Uhh,Caleb,I think we all agreed the first edition wasn't very good.That story by RSWfan was probably written in like 10 minutes,whereas mine took like 2 hours. That was alsio the worst article,likely,and the reason we didn't take it out was,well,because not very many people were paying much attention to the first edition,but now,thats seriously changed. I don't suppose many of you have actually read the completed May article,I've seen it,and it's very good,I must say. Have you guys read Tiens article? And seriously,guys,it been like 1 edition! Most of you supporters probably haven't even read the completed May edition,i bet. The first of anything is never pefect! It will have be changed,editited,or just removed. I mean,look at Runescape classic? It stinks compared to Runescape 2. And we don't have anyone to remove unworthy content,which,I think we should. I'm gonna stop now,I'm to go work on the Post now,may the Bunny be with you,wikians. --

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Comment - I have to agree. I mean, the story about the noob was just terrible. I mean, the story is POINTLESS! But I think the RSWNP should stay. I joined the RSW because of the cool projects. Not for More and more wikians cussing at each other. The story was bad. But 1 wrong isn't a win. I might leave the RSW if the RSWNP is abolished. so,(I might take this back) $%#%%^#^&&(? you abolishers. This should be closed!

Youdead0016:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Calm down. It'll be closed once consensus is reached.  Tien  16:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Okay, but I think everyone's decision is FINAL. The policy of the RSW says that things are sorted not by polls, but I think everyone knows who's right, but won't show it. The RSWNP will stand. If not, I will leave the RSW for about a long time. Everyone knows what the final decision will be. But the RSWNP will stand. Youdead00 17:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Quite pathetic, Youdead. Leaving the RSW if we don't do what you want. How old are you, man? Just wait for the final decision!-- Miasmic Blitz.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 17:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

@#$!%& your face hapi007. It was just a suggestion. Now **** you.

Youdead0018:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Both of you, calm down and refrain from flaming each other. As Azaz said, please remain civil and mature.  Tien  18:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Youdead, unless you start issuing some apologies and start thinking before you speak I think I see a temp ban being thrown your way. Consensus will be reached when there is a general agreement, not when there are still four supporters and several people yet to formulate an opinion on the matter. Not just that, but ending this thread wont make it so the paper has a golden throne on the wiki forever, major changes to any project are a simple yew grove topic and consensus away. If we have established anything via consensus, its that the majority of everything in the paper is severely lacking quality content.Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 18:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Youdead was just banned for a week.  Tien  18:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Where the bleep did his outburst come from? o_o 20:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Seriously Youdead,I think that was uncalled for. This is a simple yew Grove conversation,there was no need to swear at Hapi. You may have been exposed to such behavior outside the wiki,but you will not find it here. You should not have sworn at him,I think you deserved your ban. --

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Focus on the Issue at Hand - Remember, this discussion is about the newspaper. This is not the place to discuss another user's ban or to discipline them, or how to determine a consensus. DO NOT continue to discuss these.

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Oppose The paper isn't a bad thing. I mean the 10k per article should leave, because at that point, it'll run up quite a tab for whomever is running it. I believe the paper has potential with the right amount of maturity and leadership. Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 23:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh,yeah,sorry Bonzii,I just needed to say that because...Well,I'm not gonna go into that,anyway. Yeah,I agree,we did a good job with the 10K issue,but now,we need to really decide if we should keep the newspaper,which we should. --

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00:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, issue at hand, I oppose.--Supirion1 00:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I am seeing alot of people opposing abolishing the paper, but saying nothing more "it has potential" or "we can fix it". There are three issues out, assuming work was started near the beginning of each month has given the editors many weeks to prepare and really show what they can do. To this day the original April issue has yet to be finished, and many of the articles in the may paper are ridiculous. Instead of reforming the paper and elevating tension and drama, we should just admit that it has failed and get rid of it. And supirion, you dont need to state Oppose more than once. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 02:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Could you explain in a clearer fashion what exactly are your grievances with it? Since it is not going to be abolished due to lack of users support such an act, the best these supporters can do right now is to attempt to say what exactly is wrong and how could we fix that. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 03:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I posted that bulleted list above, but I'll briefly summarize here. 1. This is a wiki and we shouldn't have a newspaper. 2. It was never approved, one day it just appeared. (where was the topic in the yg about a newspaper?). 3. The content is extremely skimpy and bad quality, and it seems no one cares to even read through an entire issue before it goes live to check for small things like spelling or grammar. 4. Its pointless and has zero to offer. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 03:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - The April paper was not finished because for a long time all of the links were broken, and Chia told me when I started work on the paper that a consensus had been reached. By the way Tebuddy, have you read the May paper, it is much better than the April paper. Cannonball.pngJack Spiral1Rapier.png P.S. The site notice isn't necessarily true, it was designed to draw the attention of people,It sounds better than "The RuneScape Wiki Newspaper is suffering from a slight lack of staff. Please join the staff here (current writers should also confirm their involvement), or else the paper will be released bi-monthly."

Comment - The reason we didn't ever finish the April issue is because we ran out of time,and most people weren't paying much attention to it at first. I assume none of you have read the May issue,which is a great improvement to it. It was in the wikiguild,I am fairly sure we didnt take it to the yew grove,because its not a suggestion for change to wiki,so we submtted it to the Wikiguild,and it was accepted. Also,you are wrong,the Newspaper has a lot more to offer now,you just dont want to read it. And,I keep bringing this up for good reason,the Newspaper is still young,we still dont know its full potentional,if you kill something when its young,you dont know what it could do. If someone killed Andrew Gower when he was a kid,none of us would know each other or even be here. Give the Newspaper a chance. --

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Comment - Unfortunately thats unacceptable, the name of the newspaper is "The Runescape Wiki Post" how exactly is that not something involving the wiki. Also, I did read the may issue at the start of this discussion and was waiting to voice my observations. For example:

  • 1. Featured art - If I am not mistaken, all of it is taken from the official Runescape website under player submissions or released Jagex works. []
  • 2. Interviews - Who are these people and why should I care why you are interviewing them? It just seems like needless filler content.
  • 3. Letters to the editors - Blank.
  • 4. Comics and classifieds are taken in standard detail and are not funny in the least. For example [4]. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 23:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
=[. I LIEKZ MY COMIC! Statistics.png Lvl 3 skils3 Choice! Talk~ Holiday Signup ~Hiscores 06:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Tebuddy, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean anyone else does. Not everyone has the same sense of humour, you know. ~MuzTalk 11:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I am not so shallow to think that my opinion is the only one, but I fear you are simply overlooking how unfunny that comic really is because you want the paper to succeed. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 20:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I should have taken the comic in HD but otherwise, other people think it is funny (such as Crazy Sasori) so, yeah. 06:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
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Comment - You cant use Letters to the editor in your argument, I just added it htis morning, so of course its empty. --Cannonball.pngJack Spiral1Rapier.png 02:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Your remark about the comics not being funny is your opinion. I clicked the link and I found it funny, even if it wasn't completely 'OMG ROFLMAO THAT'S SO FUNNY!!!'. Request for closure, due to the large majority being in favour of keeping the newspaper. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  06:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

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Comment - Requesting closure when there is still active support is the exact opposite of consensus. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 12:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment - you're the only one opposing it. Anyhow, you don't seem to be able to provide any real reason for it to be abolished other then your own dislike of it. Opinions of one user aren't a basis for a project (which is supported by the vast majority of the community) to be abolished. So, I second that Request for Closure. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 23:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Support for closure TEbuddy, your really the only one supporting abolishing the paper while the rest of us are opposing. I support closure. --Supirion1 05:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Well that's weird. It seems to me that there are 2 more. The maker of this Yew Grove, and me. But indeed I think the consensus is 'Oppose'.-- Miasmic Blitz.png Hapi007 Talk! Sign! . 06:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Looks like consensus is already reached to keep it. But it's truely awful as a newspaper. I think the idea was to make it like the tipit times but the difference there is that a lot of effort is put into making sure the quality is very high, that's why some weeks there are only one or two articles and others there are more. By setting yourself at least one thing per category you run the risk of having to run something really poor in order to fill the gap. In its current format I support the abolision of the paper. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 07:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Closed - The Newspaper will stay.

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