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Forums: Yew Grove > Abuse of the Wikian title

Hi everyone,

Last night User:manhattan2 initiated the following conversation on Discord with one of our admins, User:KelseW:

https://i.imgur.com/SYJBJ4P.png https://i.imgur.com/xMzcpPQ.png

As a result of this, we have checked IPs used by manhattan2 against those used by other nominees for the Wikian title. This uncovered that User:Annikaa2, who has a current nomination for the title, has made a couple of edits from a IP used by manhattan2. Manhattan2 has previously talked of Annikaa2 as being his girlfriend, but has said that they do not live near to each other. This would suggest that when manhattan2’s IP was used to make edits on the Annikaa2 account, that it was manhattan2 was using the account to edit on her behalf. Of more concern was manhattan2’s edit to Annikaa2’s nomination which added a secondary RSN for the title to be granted to. This RSN belongs to a low level RS account that appears to have no obvious connection to Annikaa2’s RS account. Given his following conversation about wanting to sell the title, it seems that his intention may have been for this account to be granted the title in order for the account to be sold.

Following this incident I would like to make a couple of proposal to prevent the title from being abused:

Block User:manhattan2

Manhattan2 has repeatedly shown that he has no respect for the wiki’s community and policies; breaking RS:UTP and making poor decisions like this one, disregarding advice given by other editors (more fully detailed in comments on RuneScape:Requests for adminship/Manhattan2). Attempting to sell the title is a massive breach of community trust and extremely detrimental to the wiki. Though he has made good edits, manhattan2 has also had a large negative impact on the community through the drama he has caused. This latest episode goes to show that he cannot be trusted and that this problem is only going to worsen if he continues to be part of this community. I therefore propose that manhattan2 is indefinitely blocked from the wiki, and community features including the Discord server and Clan Chat.

Discussion

Support – as proposer. Magic logs detailIsobelJTalk page 13:26, February 14, 2018 (UTC)

Support - Manhattan is sort of like Mol in many senses. He’s helpful to have around, however his behaviour and the things he has took part in are not things we should seek to associate ourselves with. He has, on multiple occasions, been confrontation and aggressive towards other users on Discord and the wiki, he has engaged in activities involving private servers and encouraged other people to do the same, and is now taking part in what is essentially real-world trading for the title, which is against not only Jagex’s rules, but our rules too as a result. I think it makes sense to nip this in the bud before there are more incidents like this. https://i.imgur.com/xHR7zpA.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6encXAo.png 13:40, February 14, 2018 (UTC)

Withdraw title nomination for User:Annikaa2

Given her involvement in this incident, and potential sharing of the wiki account for the purpose of increasing edits, I do not think that User:Annikaa2 should be granted the title. I propose that the current nomination is withdrawn, and that Annikaa2 is not granted the title.

Discussion

Support – as proposer. Magic logs detailIsobelJTalk page 13:26, February 14, 2018 (UTC)

Support - Given that Manhattan has said before that he doesn’t live with his girlfriend, and that she lives on the other side of the world, it seems odd that both accounts share the same IP in some edits. https://i.imgur.com/xHR7zpA.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6encXAo.png 13:40, February 14, 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - I made literally 1 edit on her account and Delraaz is her Ironman. User:Manhattan2/signature 13:44, February 14, 2018 (UTC)

Change rules around the title

Our current guidelines state that there is no restriction on the number of in-game accounts that the title can be requested for is unlimited (within reason). I propose that we limit future nominations to having the title applied to one account. We can't apply this restriction retroactively to past nominations, nor can we easily remove titles from existing users who we suspect of abuse, however by having this restriction in place in the future it prevents someone from giving the title to accounts not owned by them - including those people who have been trying to "sell" the title, which being real-world trading, is against Jagex's rules and also against ours.

The Wikian title is one of the few incentives we have to get people to edit. Since nominations for it first started, we have always been super lenient on the guidelines behind nominations and getting the title isn't too much of a difficult task and we want to encourage new editors as much as possible. It’s sad to have to introduce restrictions like this but we can't let the only thing that provides an in-game incentive for editing, which has been provided in trust and good faith to us by Jagex, be ruined by abuse.

Discussion

Support – as proposer. Magic logs detailIsobelJTalk page 13:26, February 14, 2018 (UTC)

Support - This restriction should have been imposed from day one. There’s little reason for legit editors to have the title on multiple accounts imo, and the ambiguous guideline where you can have as many accounts as you want on your nomination is not okay, and opens up a world of abuse. https://i.imgur.com/xHR7zpA.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6encXAo.png 13:40, February 14, 2018 (UTC)

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