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Konami code was added to the wiki in the thread Forum:Add Konami code. Personally, I believe that it's a completely useless piece of code that detracts from the professionalism that our wiki should try to maintain. Therefore, I am proposing that we limit the Konami code to certain namespaces. The almighty and all-knowing Q has already told me that it's feasible to limit the extent of the Konami code.

Thus, I am proposing that we remove the code from the namespaces that should be kept clean and professional. Those would be Main, Talk, RuneScape, Forum, Exchange, Update, MediaWiki, and Help. It would remain active in the User namespace, as well as all of the talk mainspaces besides the Main Talk namespace. That way, users can play around with their up up down down thing, at the same time keep in our professional namespaces professional. --Liquid^Talk 03:41, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Strong support - As nominator. --Liquid^Talk 03:41, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - It was added to be an easter egg. Since most of the users who don't already know about it don't edit much on the non "professional" namespaces, it kinda kills the purpose of having that easter egg. User:TyA/sig 03:44, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Conditional oppose - Remove from namespaces: Forum, RuneScape, Exchange, Update, MediaWiki and Help as well as all corresponding talk pages. Keep it everywhere else. - See below222 ^talk 06:29, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I know i opposed it's introduction but it's not like on each page we have a link to it or anything, it's just if you click the series of buttons it goes to a page. I know some people have had problems with it on the iphone but as long as there is a way to prevent for as a personal thing then it's fine, Maybe it should be disabled while editing but not on pages. Sentra246 06:48, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I really don't know what everyone is talking about. I use an iPhone for like 80% of my editing time. Its never actually triggered. Am i like using different setting to everyone and if i am they can't just change to it...? - [Pharos] 07:32, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - I proposed it so of course I'm opposing. It's a small feature that big companies add to their site and really has no ill effects. Quar told me how to make it so that you can create personal hotkeys here using this script and this would ruin them. I sure Quar will also be able to add some code to the script so that users can add some code their .js file to disable it for just them. Evil1888 ^{Talk A's L} 07:01, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I personally have NO idea how the konami code could be accidentally triggered. But I suppose its possible that in certain devices its possible. So how about they just modify their personal .js files to disable the konami code? That way they could stop being annoyed by it while it still functions as intended for the other 99% of the wiki. And the argument that it detracts from the wiki's professionalism is just silly. First of all this is a website dedicated to a children's game. Secondly, in order for it to detract from our professionalism, then someone who didn't expect it would have to find it and be shocked by how immature the whole thing is. But who would enter the konami code without wanting something to happen? Could it be that some RuneScape playing businessman, before using a fansite, first types the konami code to make sure that its not a konami website? And if it is he leaves in disgust? I'm sorry but I'm fairly sure that person doesn't exist, and if he does exist, he can go sod off >:( http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33/Psycho_Robot/Sigs%20and%20Avatars/kitty.pngPsycho Robot talk 08:04, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I really can't see how our use of the Konami code is in any way unclean or unprofessional. It does not interrupt any sort of activity on the wiki, and only serves as a sort of special surprise to the readers who think "I wonder...". I think you're exaggerating the "professional" parts of our wiki. We're not a bunch of stuck up professors who limit ourselves to knowledge and knowledge only. We are not robots, we know how to have a bit of fun (bukkits, fluffy bunnies, nubs, @@@@... I'm sure you've heard those types of things around). The Konami code is such a small bit of fun, it only affects the people willing to look for it. It can only be activated by pressing 8+ keys in rapid succession, which would very unlikely happen on accident. In the matter that it does happen on accident, I don't think one would give a shit that they were directed to cabbage, all major browsers have a back button in the top left corner of the screen. Anyone who doesn't know how to use the back button is a technologic fail. User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 09:42, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Just a plain oppose now - Per all. 222 ^talk 10:01, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Strong support - It's not going to hurt our image at all, and people will think of it as a more hidden easter egg. Very reasonable in my opinion. ShinyUnown _{T | C | E} 18:10, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think you mean oppose? ʞo oɔ 20:14, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I'll say this once more, I mean support. ShinyUnown _{T | C | E} 20:18, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Support means you want it removed... --Aburnett ^(Talk) 22:35, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I know that. Now stop bothering me so freaking much. ShinyUnown _{T | C | E} 22:36, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

@Andrew: This is for limiting it, not removing it.

Evil1888 ^{Talk A's L}

23:08, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

...I still think you mean oppose. Your support reason is confusing. User:C Teng/sig 00:00, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Very strong oppose. Per Psycho. Stop making this wiki boring. User:C Teng/sig 19:26, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, they must have forgotten how fun it is to press random buttons. bad_fetus^talk 06:37, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

THEY'RE NOT RANDOM BUTTONS. IT'S THE KONAMI CODE. User:C Teng/sig 22:54, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Which is made up of random buttons. bad_fetus^talk 15:28, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, with that awful logic, the words here are all random buttons. Just because you don't find anything entertaining about the Konami code, doesn't mean the world doesn't. User:C Teng/sig 19:20, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

The way I see it, "random buttons" means "a non preordered sequence of buttons pressed", the konami-code is actually a widely accepted pre-determined sequence of buttons that need to be pressed in one particular order. Hardly random, if you ask me Elanthiel 21:23, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

^This. User:C Teng/sig 01:22, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Liquid requested that I weigh in, so I will (standby for copypasta)

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...the opposition was extremely concerned with the fact that this would be "pointless" to add. The point, however, has been discussed extensively; it is to include a interesting and unique easter egg within our website. As Psyco said above, no one is being forced to use the code, and I highly doubt it will negatively impact anyone who visits the wiki. The only outcome I can see is someone visiting and saying "Oh, cool, they have the Konami code on this site!". The argument that this may add something unique to the wiki is far more convincing to me than the argument than this will be "pointless". If people find that they are accidentally typing in the code all the time, or it is negatively impacting their experience on the wiki, I will be more than glad to hear more discussion...

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To expand on what I said when I closed that thread, I believe that the opposition's argument was invalidated by the fact that there was in fact a use for the Konami Code. It is intended to be an Easter egg, so saying that it has no use, when a use has been explicitly defined, makes no sense. The only other major concern was that it could cause harm to the wiki through people accidentally activating it, or it slowing down page load times. It is a known fact that this will not increase the loading time of the wiki, and I believe that we have heard of just one instance of people accidentally invoking the Konami Code. As I said to liquid, I don't have much else to say on the matter, however I do feel that my original closure was accurate in its representation of the community's feelings. --Aburnett ^(Talk) 23:03, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

An easter egg is not a use. Something with a use is something that is intended to be deliberately invoked by a user for a specific purpose. For example, {{Test3}} has a use, because it is intended to be used by a user who wants to warn someone of vandalism. The Easter egg fills neither description. It is intended to be accidentally triggered (meaning whoever triggers it did not intend to have something happen) and that its purpose is not specific (I don't see how a link to Cabbage fills any specific purpose). --Liquid^Talk 23:07, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

No, whenever people enter the konami code, they are hoping that the program/website will do something either amusing or beneficial for the user (seeing as how the code is used in so many games/websites, see the list on Wikipedia). In this case, we are trying to amuse them by redirecting them to the cabbage article. I seriously can't imagine somebody pushing "up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Enter" as a random mistake in any situation (also why the code was written in that order). User:Stelercus/Signature 23:17, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Grrrr edit conflicts. What Steler said. --Aburnett ^(Talk) 23:20, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I worded it a bit badly there. I meant to say that the person who triggers it did not intend to be taken to the cabbage article. The user must have a discrete set of possible outcomes from the event for it to be considered useful. Most often, that discrete set only has one member. However, when there is choose code, it could incorporate more members. In this case, there is absolutely no idea what could happen, so there can be no discrete set. --Liquid^Talk 23:22, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

So you would support the code if it was random, but not if it only performed one function? User:Stelercus/Signature 23:23, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

The konami code is not useful. It is not intended to be useful. Stop discussing it as such as it is not a productive area of discussion. It is an easter egg and a bit of fun. Its merits should be evaluated on that set of criteria. http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33/Psycho_Robot/Sigs%20and%20Avatars/kitty.pngPsycho Robot talk

23:25, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No, I would support the code if whoever triggers it has some kind of idea what is going to happen. That idea has to be a lot more specific than "something amusing". If the user wants to be taken to the Cabbage article, that would count. --Liquid^Talk 23:25, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

If they knew what was going to happen the first time they attempted it, it would defeat the purpose of the Easter Egg. User:Stelercus/Signature 23:26, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

So, therefore, it is pointless. Now that the supporters have admitted that the opposition's arguments do, in fact, have merit, explain why they were ignored. --Liquid^Talk 23:27, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see how I went as far as to say it was pointless. However, the opposition has not shown how it will, in any way, hurt the wiki. User:Stelercus/Signature 23:31, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

They were not with merit. Opposing the konami code because you found it pointless is no better than opposing replacing .gifs with .pngs because you think its a waste of time. If you think its a waste of time you don't do it but that's no reason for stopping anyone else from doing it. Likewise, if you think the konami code is a pointless waste of time, you don't type it in, but that's no reason to stop it from being used. http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33/Psycho_Robot/Sigs%20and%20Avatars/kitty.pngPsycho Robot talk

23:33, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) ::"The konami code is not useful. It is not intended to be useful." --What Psycho said. The fact that it does not hurt the wiki cannot be used as an argument when implementing a change (it can, however, be used when resisting a change). This is because we need a reason to change something. "Not hurting the wiki" is not a reason. If it was, then we might as well just allow anyone to upload whatever images he or she wants. After all, how does it hurt the wiki? Or, we might as well allow nontemplated signatures to be used. How does that hurt the wiki more than templated signatures? --Liquid^Talk 23:34, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

The reason for adding it was because it is an amusing easter egg that some people will appreciate. While this is admittedly a small benefit, given that it has no drawbacks, it is enough to justify itself. http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33/Psycho_Robot/Sigs%20and%20Avatars/kitty.pngPsycho Robot talk

23:39, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

(Edit Conflict) You know why we don't allow non-template signatures, so I am not going to answer that question. Nobody will notice that we have the code unless they actively try to use it, so it's beneficiary for those that want to see if it works (again, it's supposed to be something for the amusement of our users) and does no harm in any way to those that don't. User:Stelercus/Signature 23:40, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Both of you said, in essence, that it has no drawbacks. I would beg to differ. First of all, there's the professionalism issue that I mentioned. Second of all, accidental activation is always an issue. The fact that it links to the cabbage article is insanely stupid, as we may have users scratching their heads wondering what happened. If you're going to have it, at least link it to a useful page, like the policies page, or user help, or something like that. --Liquid^Talk 23:43, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

We have addressed the concerns in your above comment already. I'm not going to continue with this discussion. User:Stelercus/Signature 23:45, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

The professionalism argument is where? --Liquid^Talk 23:46, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

The only way it could hurt our professionalism is if someone activated it without intending to and was offended by how immature it is. But the nature of the konami code is such that it is only activated by those who type it in and expect a response. Why would someone type the konami code if they would find it unprofessional and immature to see a reaction? Now then, I've only ever heard of one person accidentally activating it, and that was when they were using their phone. Now I'm fine with people using their phones to edit, but the wiki was not designed for phone use. We should not develop our site around what they are capable of. Rather, the burden of making the wiki suitable for phone use lies on the people who wish to use it on their phones. As such, that one person can simply augment their personal .js files to disable it. http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33/Psycho_Robot/Sigs%20and%20Avatars/kitty.pngPsycho Robot talk

23:50, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Whether something is unprofessional doesn't depend on the reader. If the reader doesn't find it unprofessional, then both the code and the reader are unprofessional. --Liquid^Talk 23:52, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

If only unprofessional people try the code, then only unprofessional people will be exposed to this "unprofessional" element, thus the professional people who would be offended by it never see it! http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33/Psycho_Robot/Sigs%20and%20Avatars/kitty.pngPsycho Robot talk

23:59, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Whether or not professional people are exposed to it, it's still here. That's the problem. What you're saying is like, "well, as long as no one sees it, it's fine to host porn on the wiki". --Liquid^Talk 00:08, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

I would rather not have to chime in yet again, but I think Psycho is missing something. Having the code will affect our professionalism in any way, and will not upset anyone who sees it (as opposed to Psycho saying that those who would be upset would never see it, which is also true). Look at a few of the professional websites that use it: Newsweek (no longer in use), PHP, BBC, and Gamespot, just to name a few (list goes on here). In addition to all that, how does it affect professionalism at all? We have an article about cabbage, and if you push the random page button, you might see it. I don't see the problem here. User:Stelercus/Signature 19:04, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Per all. An amusing Easter Egg will not make anyone think this wiki is not professional. User:Stelercus/Signature 23:03, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Per everyone else who opposed this proposal. I personally don't see what Liquidhelm's so upset about in regards to having the Konami Code on the Wiki, since we're a wiki about a video game which is not a serious topic and never will be, so the argument about professionalism is a moot point. Plus, like other users have stated, it isn't causing any severe problems for visitors browsing through our articles nor for editors attempting to improve said articles, so it's not something that has to be removed in order for the Wiki to run optimally. It's supposed to be a fun little easter egg for visitors to the Wiki who are aware of the Konami Code being used on websites to discover. Also, while we're on the topic of professionalism, as mentioned earlier, there are actual businesses using the Konami Code on their websites, and they aren't considered immature and childish for doing so since the average person isn't obsessed with everything having to be professional just for the sake of appearance. Honestly, I really do not understand Liquidhelm's stance on this at all...

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Strong Support - I'd rather completely remove it bad_fetus^talk 06:37, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I really fail to see how this is a big deal either way. User:Haloolah123/Sig 18:59, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - *Sigh*... Per all opposers. Mark (talk) 20:32, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Basically, it does not slow down the wiki, the chances of it accidentally triggering are second to none, and a video game is meant to relieve stress. What's a better stress reliever then a goodhearted laugh? Everyone who plays RS for a while knows about the general obsession with cabbages, and seeing that outlined by a major fansite is nothing but nice. To the ones who support: People can get lost. I am yet to meet my first browser without a back functionality. And even then there is the searchbar to retrace your steps. It adds nothing Yes it does, it adds the fun into a fun game. Our professionalism deteriorates What is professionalism without being able to step back, watch yourself and laugh? Don't get me wrong on this, I'm not saying you shouldn't take yourself seriously. But when you're having coffee with your colleagues, don't you ever laugh, simply because you're at your work? Also, Jagex is a professional company .. in fact, more professional then this wiki, since they have paid employees. And just see how many easter eggs there are in the game. More then just a few. True, they don't have the Konami-code, but hey, why can't we? Elanthiel 20:44, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - We're actually on Wikipedia... --Iiii I I I 20:19, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Or not.... --Aburnett ^(Talk) 22:43, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Or yes....

REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 22:44, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Incredibly strong support - I'd rather it be removed completely but taking it off mainspace is better than nothing. -- Mercifull ^(Talk) 22:51, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Why are you wasting our time? This has not, is not, and never, never will affect anybody negatively. Dave Lopo 23:12, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

iPhone users have reported the code as a "nuisance" when it activates accidentally.

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Loon is best buttlord 02:50, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

In that case, Support disabling the iPhone part of the code only. That's incredibly simple to do, and reduces the amount of code loaded by about 60%. Which is still only about a kilobyte, or something thereabouts. I'm a regular user and I approve this message. TLUL ^{Talk - Contribs} 02:54, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Support for disabeling the konami code for iPhone users as it seems to be a nuisance. However, I still Oppose removing it on the rest of Wikia. Elanthiel 14:15, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

So we can disable it JUST for iPhones? I support that. http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33/Psycho_Robot/Sigs%20and%20Avatars/kitty.pngPsycho Robot talk

19:44, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Per Dave. I'm a regular user and I approve this message. TLUL ^{Talk - Contribs} 23:30, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per all. It's not fun if you have to go to certain namespaces to do it, and it's not doing anything unless you type it in, so why not leave it? User:Insaneular/Sig 19:51, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Liquid, you seem to have this constant thinking that anything that does not directly help the wiki is a waste of time. With your logic, RuneScape itself is a waste of time. What does it do to help the world? All it does is entertain. User:C Teng/sig 22:58, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Like I said above, I support things with a purpose. RuneScape has a purpose: entertainment. The Konami code does not, because a purpose is anticipated beforehand. It's impossible to anticipate that the code will lead to the cabbage article, unless one is extraordinarily clairvoyant. --Liquid^Talk 01:31, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

...So what? It's still entertaining, whether one is clairvoyant/anticipating or not! You're just making stuff up now. User:C Teng/sig 01:39, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - “The Konami code does not [have a purpose]” “The user must have a discrete set of possible outcomes from the event for it to be considered useful.” — Liquidhelium

A user entering the Konami code does have a discrete set of possible outcomes from the event:

Nothing happens
An easter egg is activated

On this wiki, it happens to be the latter, which serves the purpose of amusing the user (who was looking for exactly such an easter egg). It does indeed have a use, and that use is entertaining users who choose to try typing in the code. I'm a regular user and I approve this message. TLUL ^{Talk - Contribs} 03:17, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Who would think of Up Up Dn Dn Lt Rt Lt Rt B A Enter, when he/she is searching for something important? Whenever someone wanna try the Konami code you and me cannot deny him/her from doing that. It is even more riduculus when a new player says "Who on earth shutted down Konami code on half of the site?" Notice: Half of the site, half. The site wll surely not get any cleaner if half of the site got free from Konami code. In fact that will be a stubborn joke.Rewlf2 03:35, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Liquid's wanting to get rid of the code is somewhat understandable, but to limit it to certain namespaces? Seriously? Like doing it in the user namespace instead of on the MAIN PAGE will make us any less unprofessional. We are allowed to have some fun. User:C Teng/sig 00:06, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

I am not opposed to fun; I do enjoy it, but I want to keep it in the userspace. The mainspace should be kept professional. --Liquid^Talk 00:15, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Support - But only for iPhone. It isn't hard to activate the code if the user is not in the Wikiaphone skin (JavaScript doesn't work in the mobile skin). While I unintentional caused it to activate while browsing in another skin, it isn't really going to be useful for the iPhone due to the nature of the Wikiaphone skin by never working. Since you must "Tap" the screen three times to finish the code, if you do all but the last tap and instead attempt to scroll, you are redirected to: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Undefined. This is infuriating to say the least. Ryan PM 04:03, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

That's almost certainly a bug. This is one of the reasons I was concerned about the iPhone code in the first place — it didn't look well written. As I said above, I think we should remove the iPhone section of the code. I'm a regular user and I approve this message. TLUL ^{Talk - Contribs} 05:49, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

~~A user has requested closure for Change Konami code.~~ Request complete. The reason given was: Nearly everyone who has participated in this discussion opposes the removal of the Konami Code and since there hasn't been any new discussion in over a week, shouldn't this be closed now?

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Comment - Many of users requested disabling Konami code for iPhone only edit miss for convenience concerns, and I saw someone said the process of this is very easy. Rewlf2 19:30, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - The code will not be removed. There is very little supporting this proposal; hardly anyone who is visiting the wiki would know about it anyways, and the opposers have convinced me that those who do won't think that it takes away from the professionalism of the wiki. I personally see no way for it to be accidentally activated, except for maybe the iPhone. Because it could cause some inconvenience, it seems to me that removing it for the iPhone skin only would be acceptable.

REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 19:37, September 26, 2010 (UTC)