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I agree with these rules, especially the singing, it can be quite irritating at times ;-).

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For a while, people have been discussing on the possibility of having a clan chat. Now, after looking through past discussions, I have come to the conclusion that it would be near impossible to agree on one clan chat, because everyone wants their clan chat to be the official wiki one. Rendova even went through the trouble of creating a wikia account, "rs wikia" made just for clan chat, and people still couldn't agree. So, I think the best solution would be to have multiple clan chats. The clans chats would follow certain rules (feel free to add some), and there would be a list of the bottom of the page. Thoughts? Sysop crown.svgTes FanSysop crown.svg 17:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I've added some meat to the page, but I don't really use clan chat much. Someone with better knowledge of the system might be able to advise... Pointy 18:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Tesfan, I don't think that's a good solution, because no one would ever be at the same chat. It would be like one or two people would be at every chat. I think it would be best if we just all had one. File:Bloodbarrage.pngButterman62File:Icebarrage.png 21:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
The problem is, even when we said that "Rs wikia" would be the official one, people still would flock to different chats and what not. Sysop crown.svgTes FanSysop crown.svg 21:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, perhaps we could have a straw poll or something to decide the chat, and make that the offical runescape wiki chat, and post that up on the top of the screen, where all the important stuff is put. File:Bloodbarrage.pngButterman62File:Icebarrage.png 22:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think multiple clan chats would work for the reason provided by Butterman. I think we just need to decide on one single clan chat to use. But to figure out which is best, we have to look at each of them. Find the pros and cons, weigh them out, and decide which is best suited. First, though, let's weigh out the pros and cons of dedicated hosts.

Pros

  • Names will usually be easier to remember and recognize.
  • Since there isn't any single person operating it (in the case of me and Rs Wikia, I'm happy just pretending I don't own that account. I disassociate myself from it almost entirely)
  • Everyone of higher authority is seen as equal, since no one person is in charge. In the clan chats of players such as Uloveme, Green358(or whatever numbers), and other "celebrities", you often find people arguing with admins saying stuff like "You aren't X, so you can't tell me what to do in his chat". However, in dedicated chats like Ad Busters and Elvemage (since he's banned and his admins are thus nulled), people accept admins as a collective leadership, not just cocky minions.
  • In undedicated chats, people often come and go with the host, so usually people are only in the clan chat when the host is online. I'm sure we've all seen this, since it's so common. We want people to always feel welcome in the chat, not just when the host is around.
  • Ranks can be assigned according to position on the wiki.
  • Friends unassociated with the wiki walking into the chat will never be an issue.


Cons

  • The only con I can think of is that there isn't a final authority to settle disputes between admins.


If you want to weigh the pros and cons of undedicated clan chats, just flip the numbers for dedicated around. Anyway, now we look at the various people who have offered to let RSW use their CCs.


Ilyas259 (undedicated host)

  • Respect As a person he's respected by the vast majority of the wiki.
  • Experience He knows what he's doing. That's always nice :D
  • Name It took me a week to get his name committed to memory. It might not be worth it for a visitor or a new member of RSW.

R S Wiki (unknown dedication)

  • Time Whoever made this is new enough that I know absolutely nothing about him(her?) except that he exists. So this means no reputation, no experience with the wiki, and, ultimately, unpredictability.
  • Name His name would take a few guesses by a curious someone who might want to see if we have a CC, but its purpose is a lot more obvious than Ilyas's, as well as being a lot easier to remember.

Rs Wikia (dedicated)

  • Name One of the best parts of it is the awesomely simple and obvious name. Too bad Rs Wiki was taken when I made this :|
  • Ownership I'm detached from it, so it's as if nobody owns it. I don't even have a rank on it, since I hold no positions on RSW. And the only time I ever log in on it is to update the friend list and ranks.
  • Openness I originally made it so that you would have to be added to enter, for the sake of keeping baddies such as Total Rune from playing in it while the cats are away. But if this were to become "official" and get a spot on the main page, or elsewhere, then that could change.

I added this name suggestion today for you to discuss Guthix cloak.pngInvincibility |Talk| |Edit Count| Magic.png 00:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

RScape Wiki (dedicated)

  • Name: Fits the wiki clan chat better than with a space between the r and s that is currently being used.
  • Experience: I don't want rate my own experience, but I do know how to do a majority of the tasks involving editing on this wiki. I am a trustworthy and reliable person and I would be happy to use this as the official clan chat. I have made quite a few edits, but I am not an admin and do not have rollback powers. Invincibility's Edit Count


I know more people had offered their CCs to the wiki, but these are the only 3 I can remember. Anyone got the names of the others? Rendova 00:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

If we had to have 1 dedicated channel, I would prefer RS wikia, as having a user run it somewhat implies that that user is the "leader". Also, I think that anyone should be able to come in, so people don't flood people with friend list requests, and so that they can just enter. Sysop crown.svgTes FanSysop crown.svg 01:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

My chat is only for rs wiki. Also, for people who don't frequent the forums: Administrators are general and can kick, rollback are captain other users are no rank. Lootshare is off, and anyone can join. Also, if you really don't trust me, I could give the account to an administrator, as I don't play on this account anyway. R S Wiki 01:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
None of us would allow you to give the account away, so we'd have a problem there. Rendova 02:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Since everyone seems to want the clan chats open, I've set Rs Wikia to allow anyone in and to talk. Rendova 22:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Tesfan, yes, having a user run it kinda makes that user look like the leader. Should we have Angela make one then or something? Otherwise, we have a straw poll or something? File:Bloodbarrage.pngButterman62File:Icebarrage.png 03:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
'Aight, first off, Angela who? I hope you don't mean User:Angela.. she works for Wikia, and has nothing to do with RuneScape.
Secondly, why don't we keep using the IRC chat? It's easy to get to, anyone can join whenever, it's pretty easily customizable to our needs... if you want LootShare that badly, just group up when you need it. IRC is far better than the Clan Chat system, despite not actually being a part of RuneScape, but I see no good reason to move to Clan Chat. Template:Random rune Oddlyoko talk 03:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, some people don't like constantly opening up a window to talk to fellow wiki members. But, yeah, I guess we could stay like that. File:Bloodbarrage.pngButterman62File:Icebarrage.png 03:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Several options to help with that: 1) Tabbed windows in certain browsers. 2) mIRC or other chat clients. 3) If using (2), or without tabs, use ALT-TAB. Template:Random rune Oddlyoko talk 03:43, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
IRC likes to lag me, so I try to stay away from it unless I'm not on rs. And I never could figure out how to get irc apps to work >.< Rendova 19:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
That stinks... I still think IRC is the most viable option - the best point being that it's always up, even if the 'owner' isn't. CCs are rather unwieldy in that regard. Besides, you can always ask someone else around here for help setting up something like mIRC. Template:Random rune Oddlyoko talk 22:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Players

I had always thought that Ilyas259 hosted the Clan Chat every time. Who are these other players? We never used them. User:C Teng/sig 02:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I am your father... but seriously. Ily was, and I presume still is, hugely dedicated to his chat being rsw's cc. The way things up there worked out was everyone wanted a clan chat, everyone wanted it to be theirs (why? idk.), and nobody was willing to take "no" for an answer. It worked the same way unsuccessful marriages do. The "other people" up there were just the next most likely to be chosen. Rendova 19:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

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There is 6 "suggested" clans. That is 5 to many

16:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, we are most likely officially changing it to just R S Wiki. User:C Teng/sig 00:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Forumadmins are admins as well?

Are forumadmins given the captain rank as well?

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02:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

They're currently given the lieutenant rank. Should this be changed? User:C Teng/sig 02:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I think they should be captains, because the clan chat is primarily a community thing, and forum admins mostly deal with community matters which means they could be just as mature as an administrator if someone in the chat was being disruptive.

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22:17, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

i cant join R S Wikia

Lol my rank is too low to enter -.- Buzz (Talk#P ) 18:09, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Believe it or not...

Believe it or not, I'm an admin, so why am I ranked a recruit? €MØŠwô®L[) 04:17, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, accident. I'll fix it as soon as this problem is fixed. User:C Teng/sig 22:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


hehe

I'm rokua6 in both runescape wiki and runescape but use Poke

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longer (lvl 109 in members and 104 in free) as one of the members because thats my main account and i would like him to be here :D

Ranks

This section is a bit out of date?

17:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

List of Ranked Clan Chat Users

Besides the obvious ranked clan chat members like admins, we need to have a list of regular wiki users that are ranked in the clan chat on the project page, with their Runescape usernames! Additionally, there needs to be a way to put your name down on a list somewhere to apply to get a rank in the clan chat! Support and comment below: Guthix cloak.pngInvincibility |Talk| |Edit Count| Magic.png 01:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Here is a list of current Sergeants:

These players were voted to have Sergeant powers by the Clan Chat. User:C Teng/sig 19:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Uhhhh... Proof they got votes? Christine 19:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, no... we started doing this while we were discussing how we should rank people. More kicking powers were needed due to a lot of spam on the Clan Chat, so we started giving out a few kicking powers. But I definitely agree that we need a better way to decide to rank them. A "Requests for Sergeantship" page was once suggested. Or I could take screenshots of the voting, but the bad thing about that is, people that are offline won't be able to vote. User:C Teng/sig 19:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Exactly, I suggest a page here. It isn't that I disagree that those people should have ranks, it just needs to be documented from now on. Christine 19:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

RS:NOT#OFFSITE was right, I just what what you said wrong. We cannot promote based on CC attendance. Karlis (talk) (contribs)

19:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

There is a discussion on this at Forum:RfC and RfI. User:C Teng/sig 19:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks C Teng! I totally agree with the RFKP that was suggested by someone on Karil's discussion, however no one seems to be continuing that discussion any more, so I put what I thought here. I hope that the wiki will soon come to a conclusion on this controversial topic! If you have any thoughts on how to implement some sort of request for kicking powers, or any other views on the subject I would love to here them, because the discussion on Karil's chat is limited! :-) I may not be a well known user of the wiki, but I have been in the CC and some people get a little carried away with their kicking powers. I hope that a comprehensive set of rules can be developed and put on the main page. There seems to be rules spread all throught discussions, and I haven't seen an agreement on the religion and politics issue yet. Guthix cloak.pngInvincibility |Talk| |Edit Count| Magic.png 03:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

uh... i dont know what to call this

i bet we will be forever in disagrement with the rules no matter what we will probily always bicker about the rule that the clan should have just my opion i may be wrong but few things are perfect --

17:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Ranks

How do you get a rank in the clan chat? --

00:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC) P.S. I'm not watching this page, so send replies to this to my talk page.

Ranking me

Hey, I'd just like to say PLEASE DONT RANK ME!! My rs name is Utor Vir , and the account is currently being hacked . And a friend has told me he saw me near the KBD, and when people talked to "me", "I" replyed "**** off *****".

WP:IAR

Be careful. What you've got on this page are some very definite rules. Hard rules are not conducive to running a clan chat smoothly; not only does it mean ranks feel restricted by them, people will also use them as justification to be assholes by breaking the spirit of the rule if not the letter of the rule (This is all covered in WP:IAR, I'm sure). Ideally, someone needs to reword the rules to make them more guideline-ish. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 10:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:GAME covers much of what I'm thinking. I can think of a few regulars who do this. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 10:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


Mmm, I see what you mean. I'd favour a rewording from "rules" to "guidelines (to be taken with a pinch of salt)", and changes to the rules themselves where necessary. Weird gloop.png @Gaz#7521 22:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

New rules

The rules as they are now are all well and good in principle, but are lacking something in practice. I suggest a rewrite. So I'm going to rewrite them. Tell me what you think:

  • All users must follow Jagex’s 13 Rules, as usual. However, we might have to “tweak” rule 11 – Obviously, we will have to mention, refer to, tell people to look, etc., the Wiki many times. Justifying this by saying it's not "advertising" is useless - Jagex won't agree when we get reported, and our opinion is irrelevant on that.
  • Don't be a dick. Don't start arguments for no reason. Don't spam. Don't be deliberately disruptive. This rule is kept deliberately vague, as most people know when they aren't being productive. However, there are some examples which are not necessarily so obvious to everyone.
    • Don't sing. We aren't on the same emotional level, and what's more, we can't hear it. So it won't affect us in the same way, and will achieve nothing other than annoying people for being disruptive.
    • Don't levelup-spam. We may want to know you get 99 Fishing, but not if you tell us with seven lines of zeros. "Woot!" Is just as good as "w000000000000000000000000000000000000t".
    • Comment on other people's opinions, by all means, but don't argue, and don't insult. Opinions are opinions, and by definition, can't be wrong. It's generally best to keep religious, political and other controversial material to private chat. You may be able to hold a mature conversation about them, but there's no guarantee everyone else can.
    • Don't give anyone special treatment. This applies to ranks and non-ranks alike. Ranks aren't gods; non-ranks aren't peons. We're all equal.

When these rules are broken, there are not necessarily any hard and fast rules on how to deal with them. If you're being disruptive, you will probably get a warning or two, then be kicked. But ranks are ranked because their judgement is deemed trsutworthy enough to know when to kick and when to give second chances. Don't just tell them we can't kick you without a warning. They may be justified in kicking you for that, as it's a prime example of having the wrong attitude. Just use your head and make it a fun place to be!

JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 19:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I fully and totally agree with this. I see a lot of these examples of spam, disruptiveness, and other things that is happening in the CC. I feel like this rewrite could help better the current principles and rules that we have and will help overall keep the rule-breaking to a near minimum. Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 20:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I think the rules above are a good template. in a nutshell: do act like a moron, and you will not be kicked. ‎File:Easter egg.PNGAtlandy 20:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 20:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Assuming there are no disagreements, I'll replace the old rules with the new ones when I wake up tomorrow. If someone does object after I've changed them, we can revert it while we discuss exactly why. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I totaly agree with new rules but still there needs to be a warning before any kick. -- Defence Waterkunai1 Talk # fluffy bunniesArmadyl symbol.png 20:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Even to someone who comes in every hour, on the hour, just to spam? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
True. I think they should get 1-2 warnings the first time they break a rule, then if they are kicked and they come back afterwards, they can be kicked without warning if they continue to break rules. Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 20:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
There are many extenuating circumstances for both sides - kicking instantly, and giving warnings. I think these are all obvious enough in themselves to rely on a ranks' judgement; they're trusted to be ranked for that reason, right? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

right! but it has to be an obius spammer not just any person. PS:can we archive this im lagging. -- Defence Waterkunai1 Talk # fluffy bunniesArmadyl symbol.png 20:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with these rules, especially the singing, it can be quite irritating at times ;-).