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'''Question''' - Why are we trying hard to be chosen to be in one of the fan site list? {{Signatures/Powers38}} 03:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
'''Question''' - Why are we trying hard to be chosen to be in one of the fan site list? {{Signatures/Powers38}} 03:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
: '''Comment''' - I was under the impression that it partly had to do with the screenshot in [[Forum:Heads_Up_while_Online|this topic]] -- that mentioning non-approved fansites in the game might be "risky" as far as the rules are concerned. --{{Signatures/Quarenon}} 03:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
: '''Comment''' - I was under the impression that it partly had to do with the screenshot in [[Forum:Heads_Up_while_Online|this topic]] -- that mentioning non-approved fansites in the game might be "risky" as far as the rules are concerned. --{{Signatures/Quarenon}} 03:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
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'''Support''' - The whole point of this is to allow people to talk about the wiki in-game without getting banned. If that means doing things the Jagex way, then so be it. The wiki is really not going to be hurt in any way because we have a spokesperson for the wiki, especially as it is a trusted 'crat. Nothing is going to happen to the wiki without the community saying so, so what on earth is the problem? {{Signatures/Hurston}} 08:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

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Forums: Yew Grove > How Jagex contacted the FO Wiki

I've seen some confusion as to how the FunOrb wiki was contacted and got itself listed on the "approved fansites" list. I just thought I'd clear it up.

  • Quartic, the only active bureaucrat, was contacted first, via RuneScape/FunOrb inbox. I was contacted second, after Quartic didn't reply. This suggests this wiki would be contacted via Azaz, Dtm, or some other active 'crat. Or possibly me, given that they already know me.
  • I don't know if our contact resulted in our being listed. The listing happened some considerable time after the contact. Draw your own conclusions.
  • They asked for a middle-man to go through. I won't go into how we communicate, but it's only Quartic and I that can do it. I can assure you that they would not approve of allowing everyone in the community to have the ability to use this contact method.

Questions, comments, etc. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 19:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, if they don't wont want to talk to us as a community, more power to them. Barrelchest anchorDoucher4000******r4000Raw monkfish 19:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible they've contacted someone here who is no longer active, such as through a personal email account? Do all bureaucrats have access to the inbox? Horsehead Talk 19:54, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Eh? First contact was through the RuneScape inbox, not email. Yes, it's possible they contacted Merovingian, Eucarya, or something. But they chose the active bureaucrat on the FunOrb wiki, not the founder. Mind you, Quartic is a player moderator - that may have influenced them. Eucarya is, too. Someone get him to check his inbox. =p
There are only two bureaucrats, and we can both access the Jagex communication method. Whether the others will, if and when they get made, remains to be seen. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 19:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Why can't Jagex simply speak to us here? We're a community. I don't want to elect some sort of representative. If they won't speak to us as a whole, then I don't want to speak to them. ~ Fire Surge icon Sentry Telos Talk  05:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I can see why they want there to be only one or two people who can actually contact them, if we opened it to the entire wiki they would be bombarded with junk, and thats what the forums are for. I personally see no violation of AEAE if we put forward a spokes person. All this person would do would be to relay the messages jagex has sent to a YG thread, then relay the reply when consensus has been reached on what the reply should be. However if the reason they want to talk to a limited few is to do with information containment, then I don't see how we can get around it. --Serenity1137 09:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Can't we just get you vimes, or azaz or someone to contact them. How exactly can we speak to them as a community?--Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 13:54, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Azaz cannot contact them - may I ask what makes you think he can? I have contact only with the FunOrb community staff, so I wouldn't be able to do anything regarding RuneScape. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 15:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Having only a specific group of people have that information is going against everything the wiki stands for. This "Elite Group" would get to knoweverything and everyone else is deemed "unworthy" and is to be left in the shadows? Barrelchest anchorDoucher4000******r4000Raw monkfish 15:44, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

No. Why would they keep the information to themselves? What do you think Jagex tells us? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 16:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, how bout, there are one or two people who act as representatives of the wiki that speak with Jagex, and the representatives only tell Jagex what the community decides upon, and they must tell what Jagex said to the community. This is simply for the convinience of Jagex. They only want to speak to one or two people. Not 500. Its like being an administrator. Does having extra powers normal users don't violate AEAE? --— Enigma 16:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit Conflict - Comment - I think we are blowing this "We want Jagex to contact us" thing outta proportion. As Vimes said (perhaps outta context), they weren't looking for a relationship, they just somehow got one. A few users exchanged some small talk via the RuneScape inbox and the FunOrb Wiki was on the list. I'm not sure if the FunOrb Wiki discussed being on this list as much as we have though, and I highly doubt they have since. It's great they are on there, but what real advantage has it brought them. Perhaps more audience and the right to speak about it but us complaining and hoping and trying and wishing for them to come to us looks so bad (to me anyways if I worked for Jagex). It's like we are begging or looking for attention and in reality I think that just labels us to Jagex as, well, stuck up. I think the best thing we can do now is to just drop the whole thing and forget they are even teaming with fansites. If they do make an attempt to contact us well than all the power to them but sitting here pondering why they haven't is just getting us nowhere fast and building us a bad reputation. I posted that screenie on the other forum as a sort of heads up, not to discuss how we can build a relationship with them so we can avoid not worrying about the potential risk. Jagex will contact us if and when they want to and how they want to. It's up to us at that point to decide what we will do but until than, what exactly is the purpose in making these choices now? 16:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Confused!

they weren't looking for a relationship, they just somehow got one
"They" being the FO wiki? If not, whom?
Yes, the FO Wiki. You weren't seeking a relationship or asking for attention as we are here. They just happened to contact you, right? 19:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
That's right. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 11:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
A few users exchanged some small talk via the RuneScape inbox and the FunOrb Wiki was on the list.
It wasn't "small talk"; we were contacted by Jagex with the explicit intention of forming a working relationship with the wiki.
Yes, but it's still relatively small compared to what hypothetical situations some of the users here are suggesting Jagex may or may not do to contact us. It was small talk between a couple users, not the entire community. 19:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I just meant it wasn't small talk. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, if you want to put it with a literal defintion than okay...I'm human, I don't have a thesarus in my head for words that might be similar to small talk, so, perhaps I'll say a small convo? 22:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

As for the rest - No, we didn't discuss the Jagex-contact thing on-site as much as you have, but I'm not so convinced that it's as significant as you make out. And we have no advantages (other than this), but that's mostly because we have no community. You could use it a lot more than the FunOrb wiki can. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 16:32, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

For the record, Euc isn't a mod anymore. I talked to him ingame a few months ago. 16:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment - "They asked for a middle-man to go through"! Looks like I was right after all. Sysop crown Hurston (T # C) 09:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


Proposal If as a community we can come up with a single person who is voted as 'point of contact', I'm currently still a player mod and am probably able to get Jagex to begin the process of approval. I don't think I can do it without a name, but I suppose I could try. I'm not a 'crat or anything here, so am not recommending or offering myself up for it. King Runite1 02:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - I would prefer a bureacrat (or a sysop) who is also a player moderator to be nominated as a "point of contact". This is because this user has the trust of the Wiki (voted by the community), and "chosen specifically by Jagex staff" (as a p-mod). Do we have a bureaucrat who fits these criteria?   az talk   04:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Dragon Santa hat Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 04:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Powers.   az talk   04:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Support voted middle man - The fact that Jagex has chosen a player as a mod is irrelevant for our voting purposes. Thats like saying a police officer is the best choice to present something to congress. If we vote someone in, that should be good enough for us and Jagex. Everyone has the same ingame message box. Cap and gogglesTEbuddy 04:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, maybe a mod has a better chance than a regular player, but that's what I think only. Dr5ag2on1 seems like a good choice since he is a b'crat and a p-mod. Santa hat Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 04:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The RuneScape Wiki is not based offsite. How much Jagex trusts a given Wikian should be irrelevant to us. I do not want to see the false authority of ingame player moderators transferred to the RuneScape Wiki. It doesn't reflect how much we as a community trust a given editor, which should be the criteria for our decision. This is not to say that Dr5ag2on1 would be a bad choice, I would argue the opposite. I am just saying that player moderator status should be neither a requirement nor an advantage for our point of contact, should we choose to create one. Dtm142 17:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I'd be OK with it if everyone else is.
  1. REDIRECT User:Laser Dragon 06:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Nothing personal against Dr5ag2on1, because I think he would be a fine person for this role. But I am against the role itself being created, and further against a P-mod being a requirement if the first part passes anyway. If we choose to go this route, being a P-mod should be irrelevant to whether or not the person suits our needs here.--Degenret01 02:28, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Degenret and RS:AEAE. Selecting someone to be a "middle-man" and talk to Jagex for all of us? There is no such person that could express all the opinions of the whole community. The whole idea goes against everything the Wiki stands for. Barrelchest anchorDoucher4000******r4000Raw monkfish 03:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


Question - Why are we trying hard to be chosen to be in one of the fan site list? Santa hat Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 03:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I was under the impression that it partly had to do with the screenshot in this topic -- that mentioning non-approved fansites in the game might be "risky" as far as the rules are concerned. --Quarenon  Talk 03:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Support - The whole point of this is to allow people to talk about the wiki in-game without getting banned. If that means doing things the Jagex way, then so be it. The wiki is really not going to be hurt in any way because we have a spokesperson for the wiki, especially as it is a trusted 'crat. Nothing is going to happen to the wiki without the community saying so, so what on earth is the problem? Sysop crown Hurston (T # C) 08:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

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