Forum:Jagex legal precedent

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Following the discussion about the Runescape Model Viewer (ie: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Forum%3ARSMV ), here is one gem that editors might want to know.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/36773265/Jagex-Ltd-v-Impulse-Software-D-Mass-Aug-16-2010

See pages 15 through 17, which unequivocally smashes any legal doubts about whether the use of the RSMV violates the US DMCA, using the exact same arguments I used a while ago.

--Agamemnus 21:29, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

(PS: Massive failure on the part of Jagex. Accusing someone of copyright violation by attaching images of things that don't exist in the defendant's product? Brilliant lawyer, really... kind of follows the trend at Jagex to hire "brilliant" people. See page 14. Edit: actually, see any page. It's sad and almost comical how poor Jagex's lawyers are.)

(PPS: I love how the default skin has a text box that doesn't adjust.. it's 1.5x bigger than my horizontal screen res.)

(PPPS: The judge made two typos on page 16. See if you can spot it!)

(PPPPS: The judge claims that Runescape has a 10-hour trial period... not very thorough reading by the judge, either!)

Discussion

Joy, another thread on the RSMV. Let the drama commence.

So after page 3, the document is completely blank for me. Would you care to post a quote in this thread so everyone can see what you're referencing? --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 21:35, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Dunno, maybe try again later or on another browser. Works fine for me in Firefox. Every page is a scan, so I can't quote it.--Agamemnus 21:36, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

You can type the relevant sections out by hand. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 21:39, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Lol, three pages? Maybe someone else can do that. My job is done! --Agamemnus 21:41, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

http://www.webcitation.org/5xX0LT85d WebCite of it. Evil1888 ^{Talk A's L} 22:18, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Idea - We update pages of CURRENT CONTENT and wait for FUTURE CONTENT to be released... kthx Evil1888 ^{Talk A's L} 21:37, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with that. But, you do agree that the potential legal limitation that was argued before has been smashed beyond all comprehension? --Agamemnus 21:40, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Even if it has been blown, let's keep with the current and wait for the future. :P

1. REDIRECT User:TyA/sig 21:41, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - At the time, there was a trial version of the game, the Instant Demo, which had major restrictions on what could be done. I have also read the entirety of the document and while I do believe Jagex pressed or will press more on this issue, the fact that Jagex had failed to register (or could not) the abbreviation "RS" shows some lack of forethought in their appeal to the United States District Court District of Massachusetts. Now I see why one would say it does not break Jagex's copyright as you only sign away your rights by registering an account, rather than just accessing the server for the game. That being said, in relation to DMCA, I still prefer the status quo and not using RSMV imagery. Ryan PM 22:11, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I know about the "demo", but you could still play the f2p version as well. Also: even if Jagex had registered the copyrights, the case specifically for invoking the DMCA is still not there, because there's no encryption, as the judge stated. Further, even if there was encryption, I don't think that the DMCA would apply even then as the bot software would not bypass the encryption -- the player logging in would via his or her credentials.--Agamemnus 22:26, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I didn't read what you linked to, but I think we should definetely not do anything against the Jagex rules. Even though they may not be able to have official copyright, they can still remove us from the recognised fansites list, which means we can't tell people to visit the rswiki in-game anymore. We should just stay with the images and info we have now, and not use things against the Jagex rules to get more info/better images. JOEYTJE50TALK pull my finger 22:27, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

"which means we can't tell people to visit the rswiki in-game anymore" O, rly? --Agamemnus 23:08, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, really. The last fansite removed from the recognized fansite list has their name censored in-game even with the censor off. Not to mention that mentioning non-approved fansites/urls has been grounds for blackmarks/mutes in game. This isn't a question about the legality of the issue -- it's a question about whether Jagex approves or not, and they obviously don't approve. Template:Signatures/Nq2h 23:21, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure why anyone should encourage Jagex's petty antics and LOLgic. But no, if you go back on the RSMV discussion, the vast majority of the discussion was about just that -- the legality of using the RSMV. In fact, what bone does Jagex have to stand on when their "prohibition" against discussing the RSMV on their forums on the grounds that it legally infringes on something is pretty much no longer the case with this legal precedent? And it's their forums, not the rs wiki's, anyway. I'm not really sure how it got to a point where rs editors are afraid (of getting their accts banned?) because of some Jagex employee's uninformed opinion on a legal matter in a Runescape forum. --Agamemnus 01:18, March 29, 2011 (UTC)