Forum:MTGA

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Hello fellow wikians. I was looking through our templates and I think its time for us to Make Templates Great Again. I'm creating this as a Yew Grove thread grouped together because otherwise it would end up being a lot of RfDs, RfMs and similar proposals, and will have discussions for both sections to make it easier.

Maintenance templates

These are templates that appear in Category:Maintenance templates

1. Delete {{Dblack}}. It isn't used at all, and if there are any situations where a page would fall into this criteria, our speedy delete template can easily be used and an admin would protect the page if need be at their own discretion.
2. Merge {{EpilepsywarningSection}} into {{Epilepsy Warning}}. We can easily change text in the main template to say "This article or section" rather than have a dedicated template for a section.
3. Delete {{Expand}}. We don't use this either, our stub and incomplete templates easily replace this.
4. Delete {{For loop}}. This template looks super messy, isn't used, and correct me if I'm wrong - can't this be done using Lua or something anyway if it is needed?
5. Delete {{MMG page header}}. It isn't actually used anywhere notable. If we keep this, why shouldn't we have a notice like that for every page that should adhere by a specific style guide? It is kinda stupid.
6. Merge {{Talk page}} into {{Page}}. They're both the same template but with slightly differing words.
7. Delete {{Tiw}}. Unused template.
8. Delete {{Updatehelp}}. Unused template. Removed as this template is used in the Update namespace.
9. Add an optional date= parameter to each maintenance template to allow editors to indicate to future editors when the template was added. Those that have used maintenance templates on Wikipedia will be familiar with this.

Discussion

Support - As thread creator. https://i.imgur.com/xHR7zpA.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6encXAo.png 15:52, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

Support 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, oppose 8, rest neutral - {{Updatehelp}} is used, but it only appears when editing Update namespace pages Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 16:23, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

Ahh, I hadn't edited in the Update namespace all too much so wasn't aware of that. I see now. I've put a strike through it in my proposal rather than remove it so that the numbers for each point don't change and confuse people when they look at people opposing #8 https://i.imgur.com/xHR7zpA.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6encXAo.png 18:03, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

Change 2 to oppose - Per Scuzzy. Whilst I see Jayden's point about the similarities, I think given the nature of the condition there should be a warning of some sort at the section where the effects occur Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 00:25, June 2, 2017 (UTC)

Oppose #2 - As an epileptic myself, I'm extremely anal about the usage of those templates, and frankly I think it's best left in two different templates in the same vain as {{Stub}} and {{Sectstub}} - Although I wouldn't be opposed to renaming it for the sake of adding spaces. An alternative route I'd like you to consider would be to completely delete the section aspect all together, and just have a bright red header at the top of the page, with maybe a note or something. --Scuzzy Beta 16:30, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

I don't quite think it falls into the same vain as the stub templates simply because they're more for the content on the page rather than the content in a quest/minigame/whatever. I like the idea of not having a section template and just having the one that goes at the top of the page as a sort of "blanket" warning for the entire page. https://i.imgur.com/xHR7zpA.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6encXAo.png 18:03, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

It more particularly refers to the part of, say, the quest, in which you should be cautious. But I'll be willing to do the blanket warning. Hopefully people heed my warnings about merging them, because thats dumb. Also your forum title is terrible. Never ever make that overused joke again. --Scuzzy Beta 00:07, June 2, 2017 (UTC)

Support all but 2 and 8 - per Ciph and Scuzzy  ThePsionic  16:32, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

Support $\{1,\ldots,7\}\setminus\{2\}$ - per others. Fswe1 18:56, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

Comment - Talk page is used 278 times. Page was used once in userspace, so I subst'd page and deleted it. As a general point of observation, I think most of these and the ones below could be nominated for speedy deletion or just redirected to the appropriate template. User:Cqm/Signature

Transclusion templates

These are templates that appear in Category:Transclusion templates

1. Merge {{Deleted content/Temporary}} into {{Deleted content}} using a simple temporary= parameter.
2. Delete {{Illegal item}}. There is only one "illegal item" in-game. Does that really justify a template like this? I think the opening paragraph of that article is enough.
3. Delete {{Navbox2}}. The main navbox template can easily be tested by looking at previews while editing, using the sandbox, or including it on your own userspace.
4. Move {{Promotional NPC}} to a sub-page of {{Recurring content}}.
5. Delete {{Rsplayers}}. Per RS:PLAYER, this template never really needs to be used. I think it encourages people to make player articles on our players sister wiki and link to them from this one, which isn't really good and leads to increased vandalism if anything. I'm pretty sure we hardly ever link to other wikis anyway?
6. Move {{Safe activity}} to {{Safe}}
   1. Merge {{Safe activity2}} into it. They're both literally the same template bar a few words. A parameter can easily be used on the original template to let players know if poison is safe or not, which seems to be the intent of the second template.
   2. Merge {{Safe dnd}} and {{Safe miniquest}} into it. A text= parameter on the template can easily control whether to state it is a DnD, activity, quest, miniquest, or whatever else.

Discussion

Support - As thread creator. https://i.imgur.com/xHR7zpA.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6encXAo.png 15:52, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

Support - Sparky Kitty the Wikian 16:00, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

Support 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, neutral 5 - The RSPlayer template can be used for the exceptions of RS:PLAYER, such as first 99s. Additionally, I think ye mean {{safe activity2}} Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 16:23, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

RS:PLAYER does also state that "Whenever players are mentioned, their usernames should be unformatted and unlinked." too, which is kind of conflicting with having a template that would be used to link player names to external articles https://i.imgur.com/xHR7zpA.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6encXAo.png 18:03, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

Support all - http://i.imgur.com/x5sQGus.png  ᚼ 𝕷𝖔𝖗𝖉 𝕸𝖆𝖓𝖕𝖆𝖎𝖓𝖙 ᚼ (t)(c) 16:28, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

Support - Bip. Fswe1 18:56, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

What does polypore dungeon have to do with this? :thinking: --Scuzzy Beta 00:08, June 2, 2017 (UTC)

I think I'm missing the joke... Fswe1 05:38, June 2, 2017 (UTC)

Comment - I've gone and deleted navbox2 because it doesn't serve a purpose anymore and I should have killed it when I converted navboxes to Lua. User:Cqm/Signature