We need to determine a consensus on what level of editing we expect from people requesting The Wikian title, in terms of edit count. There isn't agreement on this currently and its coming across in nominations, which is not fair on the nominees. Establishing a consensus on this would make the nominations run a lot smoother; both for people making the requests and for those who are closing them.
I propose that we go with a guideline of 150-200 constructive edits for users to be considered to have edited enough to make/pass a request for the title. For transparency this would be added to RuneScape:The Wikian, however the same premise of people being able to be nominated earlier if they have made a smaller number of very high quality edits would apply as it does now. I feel that`150-200 edits is a reasonable expectation for new editors to be able to obtain. I'm aware that new editors don't always see that many things that need editing; but with us coping less effectively with new updates and lots of projects and maintenance outstanding there really are things that new people can help with. 150-200 edit count is in line with what most of the people who have received the title so far have had.
If we start to give out the title to people with minimal editing experience I feel like it really devalues the gesture of giving them the title. Receiving the title is a lot less like being being recognised and appreciated by the community when its something being handed out en masse to anyone who shows a small interest in helping out here. I don't feel like receiving the title in such a way is going to give any encourage for people to keep editing after obtaining it. I also think that the title becomes a lot less effective if we're aiming to give an incentive to people who wouldn't normally edit without the chance of receiving some reward for editing. RuneScape players on the whole do not care about having titles that are freely available. Finally, I feel like it's important to note that people using the title are seen by many players in-game to be representatives of the wiki. If we are granting the title to people with limited editing experience it is not really possible for us to establish whether they are suitable to do that or not. We still have no to remove the title if we are mistaken about this.
I really hope we don't go in the direction of giving out the title with trivial expectations. It would be massively disappointing to see us waste the opportunity of having the title by doing this. However if that really is the consensus of the community then I think the other title requirements should be adjusted accordingly:
- Reduce the minimum account age for participation from 2 weeks to 1 week.
- Stop taking concerns about poor behaviour into consideration. We cannot properly determine this for people who have had minimal involvement in the community. The only people this really disadvantages is established editors which is unfair: if we are willing to AGF with new editors then I don't see why this should be brought up with experienced editors.
- With minimal requirements I don't see the necessity of having a nomination process like the one we have now (there really isn't that much to discuss). Perhaps going back to batch nominations or some other automated, edit count threshold nomination system would be more practical.
IsobelJ
13:40, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
Discussion
Comment - Keep the process as it is now, add guideline of 150-200 constructive edits. 
IsobelJ 13:40, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
Support 200 content namespace edits requirement (content namespaces being Main, Transcript, etc rather than Talk, Exchange, and along those lines) - There are a few reasons we should make an edit count a requirement:
- While the title is not meant to be exclusive, it also shouldn't be given out willy-nilly.
- The fact that we have to give the title out manually takes people's playing time away from things they enjoy doing to hunt down players in-game to provide the title.
- Having a guideline that users should have contributed to the wiki in some way is entirely subjective, and opens a whole new can of worms on nominations.
- Because of how subjective that is, we treat users differently to each other even if they have made the same effort but have varying edit counts. Having consensus for an edit count requirement should help stop this.
- The title represents us and our community. It is not easy to be a judge of character when somebody hasn't done that many edits, yet are nominated because of good contributions.
- The title is an incentive, but an incentive that should be earned, not just given away. We want to encourage people to stay on the wiki, we don't want them to do a drive-by for the title and then leave again, as can be seen with some editors.
And honestly, our current system of giving out the title is pretty bad. We give out permissions to users that reach an edit count threshold without really giving a thought to what they have done or having some sort of nomination process, so I don't know why obtaining an in-game title seems to be more difficult than getting rollback or custodian rights. I'd suggest that users can request the title on a page similar to the RFP one and they will be given it if they have reached the edit count threshold. No bullshit, no nomination, no being scrutinised for a week just for the sake of a cosmetic. https://i.imgur.com/xHR7zpA.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6encXAo.png 14:08, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
- Just for clarification here regarding the last part of my comment - I'm not saying we shouldn't make sure they represent our community, I just don't think we need such a long-winded process. This will take some effort to get right and I think we need to actually properly consider how we want to get this right. https://i.imgur.com/xHR7zpA.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6encXAo.png 14:10, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
Support as a soft-requirement/guideline - Support, but I do think the edit count should be a "soft requirement" - that is to say, you are not required to have that many edits before being nominated (or self nominating), but the nominator should be required to explain WHY a nominee with a low edit count should be considered. Basically, keep the nomination/voting type system in place, but if a nominee has a low edit count and no explanation is given, then other users may oppose simply for that reason. As it is currently, I personally (and this is just my own opinion) don't feel comfortable opposing someone due to low edit count only because we don't technically have that as a guideline/requirement; HOWEVER, I also don't post supporting that nominee either. By making nominator explain a low edit count, I would be more likely to support based on nominators reasoning, or conversely I would feel comfortable opposing a nomination based on edit count below threshold where no effort was made to explain why the nominee is still deserving. Therefore, I would be more willing to "cast my vote" as it were, rather than just obtaining because I don't enough information to make a decision. User:Myles Prower/Signature 22:23, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
- Pause nominations? Would it be worth putting an official "hold" on new nominations while this is being sorted? As I look currently there are several already in progress, and the outcome of this discussion could effect how people voice their support/opposition of future nominations. User:Myles Prower/Signature 22:27, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
Support - I do feel there should be a minimum edit count but at the same time the quality of such edits should always be taken into consideration. "Constructive" as Isobel mentioned. It's fairly simple to get a high edit count quickly by doing extremely minor fixes (such as correcting a misspelled word in an article). I know first hand because when I first started editing the wiki, that's basically all I did. While minor fixes like this are welcomed and clearly helpful, doing 100 or even 200 edits of this nature doesn't warrant the Wikian title in my opinion. I feel the title should be reserved for individuals who have made a significant contribution to the wiki. They should be edits that take a little more time and effort. I recently changed my "vote" on a nominee after initially opposing because of a low edit count after others pointed out that their edits were quite significant. So in closing, Yes, I do support a minimum edit count of significant constructive contributions. Quantity AND quality should be required for the title. 
MAGE-KIL-R 
22:52, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
Mixed - I feel as if edit count can just easily be boosted if someone wanted to. An editor with 50 edits of fully thought out articles/edits would be a lot better than someone that nitpicks every grammar issue. Both are needed, but I feel as if its a lot less effort/thought into some grammar fixes.. I believe a Wikian should also have a ton of in-game knowledge, and you don't need any of that if you are just fixing small grammatical errors. I believe the minimum account age should be a lot longer than 1 week though, as some people might see that as an opportunity to drive-by, edit some things and leave. After about a month or so, you should be familiar enough with wiki that it wont be as hard to mess around with the editor compared to someone who got the title in one week, which would result in more people staying even after the title. Wikians also represent the wiki community, and their attitude should be considered for the title. I don't think it is unfair because you hold weight wearing the title and it shouldn't be just given to anyone. Manhattan2 (talk) 23:04, October 26, 2017 (UTC)
- On account age... I would also be in support of extending minimum account age. While the title is supposed to be (as I understand) used as a way to encourage new people to edit, giving it as a "signing bonus" to those with a new account and low edit count seems to me to encourage people to do the bare minimum to get the title, rather than encouraging people to actively and consistently contribute. Just my thoughts. The only thing I don't agree with Manhattan2 above on is the idea that a Wikian needs a ton of in game knowledge. A casual player with intermediate knowledge of a certain aspect of the game (for example, a casual skiller that barely does pvm) that makes significant contributions to the Wiki in their one area of knowledge is just as valuable, if not moreso, than someone with a vast amount of advanced knowledge (say a maxed player with knowledge of skills/combat/quests/lore/etc) that just isn't interested in the "XP waste of editing" frequently. User:Myles Prower/Signature 04:23, October 27, 2017 (UTC)