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I should note that the above counter-argument of [[RS:NOT#WIKIPEDIA]] seems fatuous once you concede that it's the sound reasoning of Wikipedia towards this subject which is being used to support the proposed naming system here, rather than it being a case of following Wikipedia's lead for its own sake. {{Signatures/Flaysian}} 18:43, August 20, 2017 (UTC)
 
I should note that the above counter-argument of [[RS:NOT#WIKIPEDIA]] seems fatuous once you concede that it's the sound reasoning of Wikipedia towards this subject which is being used to support the proposed naming system here, rather than it being a case of following Wikipedia's lead for its own sake. {{Signatures/Flaysian}} 18:43, August 20, 2017 (UTC)
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'''Support''' - I've been wondering recently whether digging up the full names of JMods is a little too far when the defaults are either their mod name or their developer name, e.g. Dave A. Standardising on the mod name gives Jagex staff more privacy as well as making it easier for the majority of us to identify them. {{User:Cqm/Signature|20:24, 20 Aug 2017 (UTC)}}

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Forums: Yew Grove > Move Jagex employee articles to their JMod names

I believe page titles should use JMod names (eg. "Mod Ramen") instead of real names for Jagex employees, in accordance with Wikipedia's rationale at WP:NAMINGCRITERIA and WP:COMMONNAME:

Article titles should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources. ...

Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject.

Here's my reasoning:

  • JMod names are the "common name" – it's how Jagex refers to them in newsposts, how they identify themselves on the forums and Twitter. As Isobel said in the previous thread, "...mod names are what players will actually know and search for articles by".
  • It's easier for editors to remember and type, removing the need for pipes like [[Andrew Hopkins|Mod Deg]] and avoiding redirects when linking the JMod name by itself.
  • Users already refer to employees by their JMod names when writing articles – see Paul Broadbridge and Liam Powney, for example.
  • Their usernames are Mod [name], and we have a policy of using in-game names.

Only in cases where we do not know the JMod name of an employee should their real name be used. It seems to be mostly "behind the scenes" people that fall into this category: members of the audio team, the QA team, the board of directors, etc. Since we don't have a JMod name, their real name is by default the most recognizable name.

Discussion

Support --Iiii I I I 07:45, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

Oppose - I'll preface this by just saying that Wikipedia's policies aren't our policies. While we derive some of our from them, it isn't necessary to follow their rationale. Moving on though, I don't think this is necessary at all. We discussed this in the previous thread (in which you didn't make this argument at the time), and concluded it just generally feels more encyclopedic to use the person's real name. Mod names redirect to their real name articles, and I don't know why we should avoid linking to these redirects - they're perfectly acceptable? Alternative names is one of the reasons we redirect in the first place. I think your argument of "we have a policy of using in-game names" is a little defunct considering we have a policy specifically for Jagex employees, rather than actual players. "Mod MMG" is a worse article name than "Mark Gerhard". "Mod Pips" is a worse article name than "Phil Mansell". Of course we could make exceptions for highly notable people like that but what would be defined as "highly notable"? Exceptions like that won't help us stick to a standard naming convention. We've always used real names, even for the sections about each content developer for example before that article was changed to use DPL, and I see very little reason to change our convention now. xHR7zpA.png6encXAo.png 08:31, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

Mega Support - per everything 7I listed and referenced, and doubling down on that it is how they are thought of and spoken of. In any place or cc when a Mod is spoken of by name it is always by their Mod name. Always. Jagex employee articles are probably one of the worst things we ever did, at least let's do it Runscape style with their Mod names so they won't suck 100%. Degenret01 (talk) 12:38, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

People spend a lot of time on projects like the employee articles. I don’t think they suck. They’re informative. Have a little respect for other people’s work rather than outright slating them in a non-constructive way xHR7zpA.png6encXAo.png 12:58, August 20, 2017 (UTC)
I mean having articles for the mods suck, I don't know if the articles themselves suck. Degenret01 (talk) 14:23, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

Support --Deltaslug (talk) 15:00, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

Neutral - On one hand, the real names are more professional. On the other, the mod names are more useful to readers. Eh. 18px-Avatar.png Fswe1 26px-Brassica_Prime_symbol.svg.png 17:12, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

Support - We aren't an encyclopedia, we're a fandom wiki. The RuneScape fandom recognizes Jagex employees by their mod names, not their real names. We should use what the community calls them and what they call themselves when they're facing the community. Law rune Samberen Nature rune 17:33, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

Support - I agree with fetus' proposal. It seems to me that there's an obvious good sense behind making article titles as recognisable, and as easy to find and remember, as possible.

When it comes to being encyclopaedic, well, it's subjective whether Mod MMG is "worse" than Mark Gerhard. The likelihood is that we will always know a Jagex employee's 'Mod' name because that is how they are introduced to us, whereas we may not always have their first name and surname to hand -- the uniformity in using 'Mod' names being the more encyclopaedic choice in this example.

I should note that the above counter-argument of RS:NOT#WIKIPEDIA seems fatuous once you concede that it's the sound reasoning of Wikipedia towards this subject which is being used to support the proposed naming system here, rather than it being a case of following Wikipedia's lead for its own sake. Ronan Talk 18:43, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

Support - I've been wondering recently whether digging up the full names of JMods is a little too far when the defaults are either their mod name or their developer name, e.g. Dave A. Standardising on the mod name gives Jagex staff more privacy as well as making it easier for the majority of us to identify them. User:Cqm/Signature

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