Forum:Reforming the Clan Chat

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There have recently been several CC threads, two of which are still active, yet I believe another is necessary. As you may know, the CC is no stranger to drama and conflict, and it has very rarely become serious enough to be formally brought up. However, in light of recent events, I believe now is such a time. The CC is ripe with trolling, immature discussions and just bad conduct in general, and instead of creating unnecessary wiki drama, we've been shrugging this off for a while; and yet, said recent events indicate that it has become inhospitable to such an extent that two clanmates, both of whom have been members of the community for over a year, have decided to quit, and several others are seriously considering doing so. From what I have gathered in an off-site discussion, screenshots of which I can post upon request, it is clear to me that the current admins are either unwilling or just incapable of handling conflict within the CC, and ensuring the standard of conduct that is demanded by the clan rules.

I don't know where to go from here. If you think I'm saying that the admins are entirely responsible, I'm not, because the issue lies deeper. I am at a loss as to what changes should be made to rectify this. But it is obviously apparent that something must be done. I have therefore decided to create this thread, where I encourage anyone, part of the CC or not, to suggest solutions for the reformation of this once civil medium. Whether it's amending RS:CC, raising second thoughts about the current group of admins or just, well, whatever, any ideas are welcome, and most will probably be better than what I've come up with so far (pls don't ban me tho).

Although many of you will know who some of the people concerned are, I deliberately chose to leave out names in an effort to preserve what objectivity we have left.

I, Pirate's Booty...BluefireeriFuelB ^{vandalise my sig|i can has spamz?}Oil4 I made this 22:50, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

See also - Forum:Moderating the Clan Chat, Forum:Regarding the user "Imxor Solmo", Forum:Sexual topics in clan chat. The consensus is always that some users feel there are some problems, some users feel that there are not. In the end, nothing changes. The last time I brought this up I was basically told that no one actually in the clan cared - admin or not. People seem to be fine with the way things are in the clan. Not everyone of course, but a vast majority. User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature 22:59, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

As I have told others already, I don't care if this thread drags on for ages and gets closed without consensus like the first one you listed did, because this way at least we'll have recognised that there is an issue and tried to fix it as opposed to sweeping it under the rug and leaving it for someone else to clear up. I, Pirate's Booty...BluefireeriFuelB ^{vandalise my sig|i can has spamz?}Oil4 I made this 23:02, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Nice glasses. Didn't know lenses came in rose. MolMan 23:03, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps I should have specified that constructive criticism is preferred. If you have any of that to offer, please do so. I, Pirate's Booty...BluefireeriFuelB ^{vandalise my sig|i can has spamz?}Oil4 I made this 23:10, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

This thread isn't going to solve anything. MolMan 23:12, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

And your pointless comments are? I, Pirate's Booty...BluefireeriFuelB ^{vandalise my sig|i can has spamz?}Oil4 I made this 23:18, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

It's more your thread that's pointless. It's saying nothing more than "something is bad, and something should get done". You've no concrete proposal or strong evidence, and you're overblowing the egregiousness of the situation. There are a few shitheads in the clan, and there was a lot of drama today, some of which stemmed offsite. In reality, the CC isn't too much different than it ever was, and most of the cancerous behavior came from other mediums. MolMan 23:24, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Except that's what every other thread tried to do. User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature 23:04, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

And they failed. So what? I, Pirate's Booty...BluefireeriFuelB ^{vandalise my sig|i can has spamz?}Oil4 I made this 23:10, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

And so will yours. MolMan 23:12, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

There is no reason for not trying to fix it, just because others have failed in the past doesn't mean you need to intentionally make it fail. Bloo is being serious and needs to be treated seriously. Sly Fawkes (talk) 23:16, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not making it fail. It was doomed from the start. MolMan 23:19, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

We get it. You want nothing to do with this thread. Nobody's forcing you. I, Pirate's Booty...BluefireeriFuelB ^{vandalise my sig|i can has spamz?}Oil4 I made this 23:21, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

You obviously don't because that's not my point. MolMan 23:24, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

You're just trying to cover your own ass because you know that the number one culprit here is you Oil4 ^Talk 23:26, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

I'll fully admit what I said offsite and everything. You were a problem too. I'm glad you left. MolMan 23:28, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

You have no right to be calling anyone a problem. You should be happy that you're even in a position to discuss this. Oil4 ^Talk 23:34, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

You're just mad because of what I said about your mother. But that was on skype, not the CC. MolMan 23:36, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Anyway <.< I am saying that, you bring nothing new to the table. "There are problems, let's talk about them (if you agree with me) and maybe someone will come up with an idea. If not though that's cool." Come up with a solid proposal and maybe you will get somewhere. User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature 23:29, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

The first step is recognising that we have a problem on our hands. So far, nobody's managed to seriously do this. I, Pirate's Booty...BluefireeriFuelB ^{vandalise my sig|i can has spamz?}Oil4 I made this 23:32, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

You don't do it 1 forum at a time. Create an outline of the problem that identifies the problems, remedies, and sanctions. MolMan 23:34, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

"the CC is no stranger to drama and conflict" you know the rules, and so do I Oil4 ^Talk 23:05, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

A full commitment's what I'm thinking of. Sly Fawkes (talk) 23:09, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Oil pls I, Pirate's Booty...BluefireeriFuelB ^{vandalise my sig|i can has spamz?}Oil4 I made this 23:10, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

You're replying to Fawkes though Oil4 ^Talk 23:11, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Regarding clan admins: You can't lead effectively and be everyone's friend. It's nice when you and all of your friends are also admins, and I genuinely think that most everyone in this cc has had good intentions through and through. The problem in my opinion is not that there are bad clan admins, but that even patient people get impatient when much of their life is faced with the same frustration--this game and this wiki together must take up a massive amount of time for most people, and stellar conduct is nigh impossible without saintly, parental patience. Of course people are want to let off steam via one channel or the next, or not take their position or role super-seriously sometimes. So what? Taking away someones privileges or reprimanding them publicly does nothing to develop better environments. As for the peons of the cc, most are also genuinely good people but probably are intimidated by the big dogs being condescending or brusque--I'm certain that if there is a void, new people will pipe up, and the culture can gradually change from pubescent dick-swinging to enjoyable conversation. TL;DR: Relax and perhaps reduce the number of responsibilities of the admins, consciously avoid egotistical quips and cut everyone some slack--71.62.249.105 00:00, December 23, 2014 (UTC)