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BIG NEWS

As Shauny revealed in the patch notes teaser today, we're soon getting an in-game title - [Name] the Wikian. The main thing this thread wants to determine is who we want to give it to - or rather how we decide who.

• Level of contribution to 'qualify'
  • Literally none
  • Minimal - 10 edits as a token contribution?
  • Casual editors with 100s of edits?
  • Dedicated editors with 1000s of edits?
  • Very dedicated editors with 10s of 1000s of edits?
  • Admins only?
• Method:
  • Just ask
  • Simple recommendation
  • Short UotM-style Y/N vote
  • More intense RfA style

I also have a list of names I can propose upfront - there's a lot, so I won't put it here unless it is really wanted.

Other info:

• The title is unlimited - it is permanently added to your account (like most titles) and can be given away to as many people as we like
• The title is added through me via a special item (like everything I do, should the community decide so (or if I go inactive), I shall pass it on - probably by talking to Shauny)
• There'll be a forum and reddit post on the day of the update talking about why they're doing this in more detail

More info

Two Mondays ago (14 Nov), Shauny chatted to me via a few places (discord, in-game, and twitter) about getting something for us in-game, a la the Wiki Cap in Team Fortress 2. He managed to get a title - more visible and doesn't clash with fashionscape as much ;)

The title is given out by a specific user (surprise! Its me) using a special item (a book I think) which is only obtainable via a Jagex mod adding it to your account manually. You click the book, enter the user's name into the prompt, and they get the title.

Shauny last told me that the expected release date was the update of 5 December.

Discussion

I'm pretty excited about this, even if Shauny did the reveal earlier than I expected ;)

I'm feeling a short UotM style would be better, with minimal other requirement - really, anyone that has done something notable for the wiki that people can agree 'deserves' the title. Doesn't need to be intense, but at least a few people should agree that the nominated user can have it (again, similar to TF2's cap). Obviously wearing the title makes you somewhat of a representative, so you we don't want people being a dick with it (I'd really rather not have to pursue getting it removed from someone).  @Gaz#7521 22:55, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

I feel like I'm swaying away from a formal process and more just ask for it, but IDK.  @Gaz#7521 00:33, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Hey guys,

So first of all I believe there was a title planned from a meeting a while ago when you had a talk with Jagex, but this was something I feel so honoured to do for you wonderful people.

It's not much in the terms of things, but consider this a thank you from us for everything you guys have done for 10+ years. <3

Hope you enjoy Shaunypwns (talk) 23:13, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

I am proxying for Mol — Xcgurl08 (talk) 23:23, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

“	I deserve the title. I have >160,000 (the second most of any human account) and still log on n game every once in a while. I revolutionized countless templates and spearheaded the switch from wikicode to Lua. Even after my ban-turned-voluntary-exit, I continue to provide advice and help that improves the wiki. While not the most popular or liked, I am still without a question, one of the most prolific editors, both by subjective opinion of my peers and by objective measure of my contributions. I only communicate with my small circle of friends when I am actually online. So tainting the reputation of the wiki and its community is not a real worry. Let's not forget that I was indeed the original proposer of this idea, albeit in jest. I am no stranger to Shauny either, who has gone ahead and decided to make this a thing. I may have all but quit, but I would love to accept this post"humous" accolade.	”
	— MolMan

Wow - That's freaking badass that is. I know, in a geek way, but that's what we wikians are. I hope we set it up so both editors and those who contribute ingame (event team ftw) get it. Degenret01 (talk) 23:39, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose Mol - no doubt he has editing prowess, but I think there's people with less controversial wiki/in-game behavior who are deserving of the title than him. – Ozank Cx 23:49, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

This isn't about specific users.  @Gaz#7521 00:08, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Awesome - First of all thank you Mod Shauny! Second, I agree with Gaz of how it could be given. Salix of Prifddinas ^(Talk) 23:51, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

Question - Is there a limit tae the number of titles available? Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 23:53, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

No limit.  @Gaz#7521 00:08, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Just give it to everyone on Gaz's list - Arbitrary editcount requirements do not necessarily reflect how long someone has been contributing, or the quality of their edits. A UoTM/RFA style thing is arguably too much fuss for what is just a cosmetic title, and could have issues with abuse/lack of involvement. I don't think there really needs to be any criteria for who gets it beyond "makes contributions to the wiki/community on a regular basis", and the list Gaz mentioned probably covers all people fitting that. If anyone is missed or becomes deserving of it in future, they can simply ask for it. Wahisietel (Talk) 23:56, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

Its currently only 25 users - I've definitely missed some.  @Gaz#7521 00:08, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Addendum - Some suggestions from discord include giving it to literally anyone who asks for it via a wiki edit, or having some low requirement like 10-50 (constructive) mainspace edits. Thoughts?  @Gaz#7521 00:08, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - Well this is freaking awesome. Thanks Shauny! I agree with Wahi as well - anyone who is making contributions seems like a perfectly good criteria for giving the title. Amascut ^{Ia Morte} 00:21, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - I agree with Wahisietel too. Regular contributors. Samberen 00:36, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - Titles should hold a certain amount of prestige. Titles that hold no prestige are never used because they're common/not cool/etc. Although editing a wiki shouldn't be seen as an achievement or anything like that, I feel like opening the floodgates for every noob to have a wiki title will just devalue this kind gesture. Not to mention that it has to be put on an account manually each time. There should be some sort of threshold. UoTM seems like a good idea. I don't think there'd be an issue with attendance on it. If someone applied that clearly wouldn't "deserve" it, the masses would speak out. Also, common sense would apply in any case.

I would say, thousand(s) of edits at least and passing a UoTM would be the absolute minimum. Also, Gaz made me comment. ): User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature 00:53, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

UoTM isn't fool-proof since it's been shut down for over 3 years at this point so at least half the old ones are likely inactive+there'd be some users who represent the wiki well but never obtained UoTM before then, like poor Onei. plus hallowland was UoTM at one point so it's definitely not fool proof  Archmage Elune  ^Talk_HS fetus is my son and I love him. 01:37, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - I agree with the 'ask and you shall receive' Maybe having an account on Wiki made before 2017 making it limited? CambraWiki (talk) 00:59, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - Okay this is Fyre this time. I definitely don't agree that it should be an 'ask and you shall receive' policy. This should be a prestigious title that should be earned. If it were an ask and you shall receive, then literally anyone could get the title. Every player could get the title. What would be the point in this? Then the title would be completely meaningless. Xcgurl08 (talk) 01:05, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - how about to make a kinda compromise between the prestigious and the give it to everyone, welet those who are able to qualify for rollback or have an established presence in the clan, mostly at Gaz's discretion, be eligible for the title? User:TyA/sig 01:11, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

For those who aren't in the know, rollback requirements is 200 edits "that are not in the User: or User talk: namespaces, and are not edits to RuneScape:Sandbox." and an account age of 30 days. User:TyA/sig 01:16, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - I think the title should be earned, but I dinnae think demanding thousands of edits is necessary. I ken of a wikian, edits about 20 times a month and has 2200 edits in 3 years, fa'd make a guid choice fer the title. There should be some limit, else we'd have people just editing once tae get the title, and there'd likely be those fa'd vandalise and then try and claim the title. I believe summat UOTM-esque should be the minimum requirement (which I'd count being eligible fer rollback tae be) Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 01:18, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Since the title give out is a manual process, if they vandalise they would not get it. User:TyA/sig 01:19, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - I can't say much as to what qualifies for the title, but someone who simply makes a half-hearted edit or two simply to get it can't really be considered a true Wikian. Right? Good luck! Neutralino_Talk? 02:15, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - I want one. But other than that, give 'em out to whoever wants one. If not, my second choice would be an arbitrary edit requirement like 100. Ajraddatz (Talk) 02:40, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Comment - I would say more posts and better quality of posts than User:Deltaslug as a minimum requirement. A secondary requirement being that the user is CURRENTLY active on the Wiki. There are many editors who haven't been active for years and while they've contributed greatly to the wikia, to continue to contribute while such a title/reward is available would only seem fair. Though I think we could make some allowances for users like Mol Man. --Deltaslug (talk) 02:59, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Plus, what would we do if the user name we use on Wikia isn't the username we use most often in RS?

rip my title I guess :( Ajraddatz (Talk) 03:02, November 26, 2016 (UTC)