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Yesterday, User:The last username left was given a one-year global block by User:Uberfuzzy for his actions in the IRC. TLUL had nicked and grouped the nicks |ChristineV| and _ChristineV_. This was meant to be temporary, and no malice or impersonation was intended. The real ChristineV, who never actually requested the nicks be returned, immediately called in Uberfuzzy, who promptly issued a global block. Yes, a global block. For one year. That means that he now cannot edit any wiki for a duration of one year.

I, along with most Wikians in the IRC today, believe that this is completely unjustified and a flagrant abuse of power. Firstly, issues dealing with the IRC should stay in the IRC; they should not spill over into the wiki. Secondly, while TLUL's actions may not have been the wisest, a block for a duration of one year from every wiki is quite obviously over the top. Finally, Uberfuzzy told TLUL that what he "[didn't] want to get in the middle of what ever beef or drama is going on between" TLUL and Christine. Blocking him is exactly the opposite of not getting between the two.

Uberfuzzy claims that what TLUL did amounted to harassment, and justified the block by using a clause found in the Terms of Use. I quote:

“	The Company may terminate your account, delete your profile and any content or information that you have posted on the Service and/or prohibit you from using or accessing the Service for any reason, or no reason, at any time in its sole discretion, with or without notice.	”
	— Membership section

Obviously, the terms of use give Uberfuzzy the legal right to do so. However, this is an unjustified action that borders on authoritarianism. Thus, I would like to request your support in asking Uberfuzzy or another member of Wikia's staff to remove User:The last username left's block from the RuneScape Wiki. --Liquid^Talk 02:04, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - As nominator. --Liquid^Talk 02:04, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - He is nothing but helpful on this wiki. User:TyA/sig 02:06, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Actions on the IRC never warrent action on-wiki. This whole situation wouldn't have happened if Christine acted appropriately, and requested that her nicks be given back, but nevertheless it did and needs to be dealt with. A global block on wiki is not the appropriate way to deal with it. Simply asking him to give them back in a non-confrontational way would have been.

REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 02:07, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - what is this i dont even --Iiii I I I 02:07, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - This is clearly a misunderstanding, he is a helpful contributor, and a good guy. User:Haloolah123/Sig 02:09, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'd call that more complete abuse of the ability to globally block someone than a misunderstanding, tbh.

REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 02:13, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Strong support - A global block for one year on Wikia because of something that happened via IRC? That's just outrageous. Something that happens over an IRC channel shouldn't effect anything on Wikia. At the least it could result in a block on the IRC channel, but even then, that is seriously pushing it. Azuris^{Problem, wiki?} 02:11, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - He has not done anything wrong. Blocking him globally for a year was completely out of order. The worst punishment that should have been handed out was a temporary ban from the IRC channel, and even that is really pushing it. --Callofduty4 02:13, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - He is a helpful contributor. S a r a d o m i n ^{Sign Me!} 02:17, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Extreme support plus TLUL did a dumbass move, sure. I could see a 1-3 day block plus maybe 1 week or so on the IRC if that is possible. But Uberfuzzy went so overboard that I would like to ask for a central wiki review of his actions. If he went this far in this case I wonder where else this guy has overstepped himself. TLUL has absolutely no record what so ever of vandalizing (although he broke the wiki with some weird ass code on his userpage once, so maybe he could be accused of not being cautious enough, but barely that since it only happened once). We need to take what ever steps we can to undo this extreme injustice. And maybe request Uberfuzzy not be a person who handles things dealing with the RuneScape wiki. There is no way we can trust a guy who pulls that kind of move.--Degenret01 02:20, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I see that it's not just Manticore that is/was corrupt Wikia staff... https://i.imgur.com/7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH _{(Actually Stinko)} 02:35, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3044/tlulbot.png --Iiii I I I 03:06, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

He is also IP blocked by User:Charitwo User:TyA/sig 03:34, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Strong support - Per everyone. TLUL and his bot have been extremely helpful with image maintenance and other tasks no one else wants to do. Riblet 15 03:12, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Strong support - Ridiculous. TLUL has always been a fantastic contributor, kind to everybody. Uberfuzzy should not have been so quick to use his power, and should have looked into the situation further. Nobody can ever talk anything out anymore. Again, bad actions taken in the IRC should not affect rights on the wiki. I'm ashamed a Wikia staff member would be so brutal in butting into our business, and doing it an unfair way, for that matter. User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 03:27, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1209/tlulip.png --Iiii I I I 03:35, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - Per everyone else. Even though TLUL may not have made the wisest choice on the IRC, it still did not warrant a one year global block.

REDIRECT User:N7 Elite/Signature 03:37, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Maybe wiki staff are not as nice as wiki users? I feel a chill of abuse of staffs. Rewlf2 04:18, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Question Can we actually accomplish anything with this? Since they can block anyone anytime for no reason, can't they just tell us to stick it up our collective butts? DO we even have a recourse of action?--Degenret01 05:18, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well I guess at least we let them know how we feel...User:Haloolah123/Sig 05:20, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Strong support - This is insanity. TLUL is one of the best contributors on the wiki. Blocking him for a year is absolutely unacceptable. ʞo oɔ 05:25, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Very strong support - This is madness! Evil1888 ^{Talk A's L} 05:38, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, always the first to use a meme aren't you? No, THIS IS WIKIA! - User:Pharos 5/Signatures/Official/iPhone 06:13, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

WHAT THE FREAKING HELL IS THIS?! (AKA uber strong support) - My stance should say enough. I'm actually writing a very angry email [to wikia] right now. They better have a good explanation...

REDIRECT User:-Matt/sig 05:51, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Infinitely strong support - My view of Wikia staff has dropped even further below absolute zero. I am fighting the urge to use a bad word but it won't help the situation here. 222 ^talk 05:55, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - The last username left is a menace to wikis everywhere and I'm apparently the only person who's brave enough to say it. I'm glad he finally got what was coming to him, though I am disappointed its not permanent. TLUL sucks. http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33/Psycho_Robot/Sigs%20and%20Avatars/kitty.pngPsycho Robot talk 06:07, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per all, Tlul is a great editor and this block is not well thought out - User:Pharos 5/Signatures/Official/iPhone 06:13, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - While what he did on the irc was really annoying, since he has been doing it to everyone, he didn't deserve a 1 year global block, maybe a short block for the irc, but that's about it. Sentra246 06:17, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I thought people might be interested in the letter I sent to wikia about this. It is here. I'll be posting a response when I get it.

REDIRECT User:-Matt/sig 06:30, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Question - ChristineV? Who's that? Isn't her username Clv309?

REDIRECT User:-Matt/sig 06:30, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

She prefers to be called Christine or ChristineV rather than clv309 now.

Sentra246

06:37, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

/s/now/always Christine 13:21, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I support because this is ridiculous, but still you should get about 3 days for doing it because it's rude (like me :/) -- Ikin ^Talk 07:45, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - 1 year block without warning? That's inhumane! willwill Talk 08:05, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - Bring back TLUL nao! User:Real Not Pure/Signature 08:33, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I almost can't believe I'm reading this. Chalk up another strong support for the revocation of the one-year global block, or at least, insofar as it applies to this wiki. uberfuzzy, I'm sincerely disappointed- I always thought much higher of you than this. As for the issue of a shorter block for TLUL, I have no comment since I am unaware of the circumstances surrounding the drama. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 09:15, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Strong support - per all User:LordDarkPhantom/Signature 09:41, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Let's take back our men, boys. User:Swizzl3d/Sig 09:48, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support roflpowerabuse. Formal complaint, anyone? @Gaz#7521 11:46, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Stop raging at Uberfuzzy... You can't honestly say you know it wasn't a mistake. Nobody here has ever made a judgmental mistake after a particularly tough day or while not thinking straight? Who knows, he have thought that TLUL was a repeated offender who was being naught before or didn't exactly find his repeated nick stealing (I heard someone mention this) joke-like felt they hurt people. + Uberfuzzy is a WIN name :P - User:Pharos 5/Signatures/Official/iPhone 12:19, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and things like OMGWTFHAXBBQ Support isn't mature or helpful >_< - User:Pharos 5/Signatures/Official/iPhone 12:23, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Don't try to make excuses. Let's say I'm a soldier. I'm clearing a hostile building and I shoot one of my fellow soldiers. I don't get to do that. I have to be at the top of my game always-I don't get to make mistakes. Granted this situation is less grim, but the same principle applies. User:Haloolah123/Sig 13:23, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

You can't accidentally phalanxblock someone. And if you do, you don't then go and phalanxblock their bot, and then get a member of the VSTF to block their IP. And you especially don't do it for a year.

REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 13:34, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

By accidental I meant more about the decision of blocking or not. Granted, the one year is extremely harsh and can't really be put down to different viewpoints :/ That soldier reference sounds a bit different but it's actually kinda similar, it becomes hard to always "shoot" accurately after a long time of constantly "shooting" accurately. If you do accidentally "miss" and wound/kill a teammate your company/troop isn't going to "shoot" you or yell at you. They know how hard it is and how easy it is to hit someone on your side among the "enemy masses". When you realize you have accidentally shot someone you make amends and apologise to them or their next of kin as the case may be. You apologize and hope to god they can forgive you. It is, as you said, a bit less grave and just a bit different in terms of stakes. - User:Pharos 5/Signatures/Official/iPhone 14:12, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

There was no way that it was an accident, in any part of it. As made obvious by his actions and response, Uberfuzzy intentionally blocked him.

REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 14:50, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - One year without a warning? harsh. Murd3rlogist^{Talk• Contribs •}Sign here 12:51, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - IRC =/= Wiki.

REDIRECT User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature 12:55, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Grotesque power abuse. I've lost all respect. User:Ruud10K/Signature 13:35, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - While Uberfuzzy did block TLUL, I hope it was only an error in his judgment than a biased block. I do not know the circumstances that brought TLUL's block minus the opening pieces by Liquidhelium, I would hope that a transcript of the IRC chat at the time is shown or where the block took place (I don't see it here or at Community Central, unless I am blind). Blocking his IP and bot is also a step too far. Not only does this prevent very helpful contributions to the wiki, it also hinders one of the most helpful bots on this wiki. I would expect a response from Uberfuzzy within the next 24 hours, or whenever he gets to work. I would hope that The block gets reduced and at best removed. Albeit using Christine's nick wasn't the smartest thing in the world to do, it should not have come to this. I am glad to see this community stand up for one of it's contributors when an unjust block has been applied. Ryan PM 13:56, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

It seems odd to me that Charitwo then picked up where Uberfuzzy left off and blocked his IP. I wouldn't expect this sort of "misjudgment" from two very experienced Wikians. --Callofduty4 14:40, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Lost all respect for Uberfuzzy. A ten minute run shouldn't equate to a year long block. It was also the most idiotic and self-destructive event Uberfuzzy took himself into, this would also include Charitwo's subsequent blocks toward TLUL. Since Uberfuzzy last logged in at 2010-10-24T06:59:18, I doubt he has seen this. Ryan PM 16:36, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Uberfuzzy posted this on IRC a couple of days ago or whatever -

06:31 < uberfuzzy> have fun TLUL 
06:31 < callofduty4> i have gimp but is there anything better?
06:31 -!- uberfuzzy [~uberfuzzy@wikia/Uberfuzzy] has left #wikia-runescape []

The only thing Uberfuzzy could possibly be referring to is TLUL's block. I don't think snark comments like that are acceptable by any means, especially coming from staff. --Callofduty4 14:40, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Wikistaff's being an ass lately. Followed pages, oasis, and this. I really can't see what they are trying to accomplish. bad_fetus^talk 14:51, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well if their goal is to piss of the majority of their users, goal accomplished and passed with flying colors, I would say. User:Haloolah123/Sig 16:09, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Log of the incident is available at User:Willwill/IRC/24-10-2010 willwill Talk 15:44, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, it looks even more idiotic than it sounded, if that's possible. I thought some joke-based impersonation had taken place, but fuzzy just came in, blocked and went away. That's pure power abuse. bad_fetus^talk 16:25, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

No one's mentioned the PM that TLUL and uberfuzzy had together. It's ridiculous for you guys to seriously believe any staff member would block someone just like that. Christine 16:57, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I frankly don't give a damn. It's ridiculous that fuzzy would evern consider blocking a helpful contributor for a year anyways. Maybe a month, but a year, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. User:Haloolah123/Sig 17:00, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

No action should have been taken on-wiki. It happened on IRC, and is an issue for Freenode to sort out. Under no circumstances would it deserve a global block of a year.

REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 18:05, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - "<TLUL|school> http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Unblock_User:The_last_username_left someone feel like adding that I will provide a full log, including private messages, as soon as possible?" - TLUL from the irc. -- Ikin ^Talk 17:45, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Logs: http://pastebin.com/fHEViJgN --

Ikin ^Talk 18:00, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

That is just sick, it pisses me off. Wikia needs to stay out of OUR community matters. User:Haloolah123/Sig 18:10, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. When I heard about the PM, I thought "wow, maybe Uberfuzzy was actually justified in doing this". But alas, seeing this makes it all the worse. It also shows some favoritism for Christine, imo, since it would seem that after getting an unsatisfactory response from freenode (basically, TLUL didn't do anything wrong) is when he blocked.

REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 18:14, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

This situation, commonly referred to as bullshit, is what makes me want to leave Wikia. User:Swizzl3d/Sig 18:30, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Bias doesn't suit anyone. That is just a wretched and despicable action of favoritism towards another user. I do not know the specifics of Freenode, but that appears to be over the line. Ryan PM 18:39, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that is simply idiotic. HAVE FUN? Seriously? Are you a 3 year old? bad_fetus^talk 19:16, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

What are you talking about, and how is it relevant to this thread? --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 20:04, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

That's what Uberfuzzy told TLUL when he blocked him. User:Haloolah123/Sig 20:07, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, right. As you were, gents. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 20:09, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Question - Didn't Uberfuzzy use to be our favourite staff member... or something? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Matthew2602 (talk). 20:58, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Uh... I'm sure users have a favourite but not the wiki.

Evil1888 ^{Talk A's L}

21:01, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I just remember reading that somewhere...

REDIRECT User:-Matt/sig 21:09, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

You're most likely thinking of this.--

Azaz129

^Talk ^Edits ^Contribs

21:20, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I am actually Supporting because I don't want a global block. --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) • 跟我谈话 21:59, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

So basically you don't have any balls? That's a great thing to say. You realize that the censor template doesn't block staff from reading it. Believe me...to block you they'd have to block the majority of us (people on this thread). I.E. kiss RS wiki goodbye. It won't happen. But it's still disappointing you have no balls. User:Haloolah123/Sig 22:03, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

RS:UTP Also I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm. http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33/Psycho_Robot/Sigs%20and%20Avatars/kitty.pngPsycho Robot talk

22:14, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I changed to Don't care, but good luck getting TLUL back. --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) • 跟我谈话 22:07, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per nom. Coelacanth0794 Talk 22:37, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per above. Suppa chuppa ^Talk 22:48, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Seriously, Wikia? User:Stelercus/Signature 00:11, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Zeppurt - Just because CVL28956 or IDGAF whoever that person is or what their name might be is, IT just acted like a 7 year old. --ScionCrush 00:35, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me, who took the nick that clearly was pretending to be someone else? What did I do that was a "7 year old" act? Christine 05:29, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'm guessing it was the not talking to TLUL but rather taking the issue to a Wikia staff member, and potentially having something to do with the punishment itself. Also, I have seen no evidence that he actually used the nicks he registered, so there's no reason to believe he was attempting to impersonate anyone. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 05:33, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Support - 1 year? Way too overkill even if this was worth banning someone over. Archmage Elune ^Talk_HS fetus is my son and I love him. 07:03, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

LEAVE WIKIA (aka: EXTREME strong support) - I am starting to hate wikia more each day... Although he used the name ChristineV is not taken by anyone (as seen here in the message above the editbox) so actually clv309 has no right to claim that username until (s)he made an account with that name or moved the current account to that name, and tlul might also have created that account and then it is completely his account. As nobody claimed it, it is not clv309's, so she clv doesn't have the right to complain. Also we should assume that it was a joke of some kind. JOEYTJE50 TALK pull my finger 09:39, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you understand the IRC User:Swizzl3d/Sig 09:52, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well whats it then? JOEYTJE50 TALK pull my finger 10:00, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

You can have any name you want, as long as it isn't grouped to another user. The problem here was that Christine thought she was being trolled/baited by Tlul. User:Swizzl3d/Sig 10:08, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

you can then ask someone to change the name to something else
that doesn't deserve a global, 1 year block... my opinion is still the same: "LEAVE WIKIA (aka: EXTREME strong support)". JOEYTJE50 TALK pull my finger 10:13, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Well somebody caused some unnecessary strife by going to wikia and crying mommy. Lil cloud 9 ^Talk 12:01, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Gee, does anyone feel like asking me what actually happened on my end? The only one who had common sense enough to do so was TLUL, who understands I had nothing to do with the block. Funny how the only one who has any reasonable right to be pissed off at me is also the only one who isn't, eh? Christine 13:10, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think people are pissed of at you, but they're pissed off with Uberfuzzy for being so rash. User:Swizzl3d/Sig 13:13, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I've been called a 7 year old and told I went "crying to mommy" by 2 users who probably aren't even that old themselves. Christine 13:15, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I can't even count the total number of highlights I've gotten in IRC over the past few days from Cook saying how much it was all my fault. No less than 5 separate times, at the least. Christine 13:21, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

A little of topic, but calling those people under 7 years old helps nothing other than starting a flamewar. Be more civil please? bad_fetus^talk 13:26, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Sannse had told me that, along with there being some other logs which aren't posted here, "the block isn't intended as long term, just as a way to get him to stop the bad behaviour". I still think that the IRC should be the IRC, and the wiki should be the wiki, but whatever.

REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 13:44, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but a year-long block of one of the most prolific and helpful editors for ONE incident on the IRC is most assuredly long term. THE TIME LORD VICTORIOUS 13:45, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I still don't see any "bad" behaviour. bad_fetus^talk 13:50, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

He used her nick to get a reaction from her, which he did, I guess. It should be noted that Christine and TLUL have a history of not getting along together, with her unjustly banning him from the channel once over misuse of his bot (amirite?).

REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 13:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

No, you're wrong. The "ban" was merely to prevent him from auto-rejoining, but he continued to then bring in at least 6 other socks into the channel, making a need for a legit "ban" for all of 15 minutes. Christine 16:31, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

That's not a valid reason to block him, since he was kicked unjustly. Also, irc shouldnt affect the wiki. bad_fetus^talk 16:35, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

What are you talking about? He wasn't blocked for that, and it wasn't unjust anyways. Christine 16:58, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

You just said he got blocked for kick evasion. Someone kicked unjustly is expected to evade kick. Also, I don't know if you noticed, you are the only one here that thinks it's just. bad_fetus^talk 17:06, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Support Never seen him do wrong--Dmck2b 14:05, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

REMINDER - To everyone changing their sig in reference to this forum and what has preceded it. Don't place anything on it that will breach UTP or anything you think might make someone feel insulted in any way. We don't want another repeat of what happened after the 'wiki clues' investigation... :S I had already done this to my sig and was corrected by Degen. - User:Pharos 5/Signatures/Official/iPhone 14:37, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Notice - It appears that I have been unblocked. I'm glad this is all getting resolved, and that I can get back to editing. I'm a regular user and I approve this message. TLUL ^{Talk - Contribs} 15:08, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure - As TLUL has been unblocked, the purpose of this thread has been accomplished, and I see no reason to leave it open. User:Haloolah123/Sig 17:08, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - User:Ruud10K/Signature 17:15, October 26, 2010 (UTC)