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Offensive language alerts when adding interlanguage links

Hello. I am trying to add a PT interlanguage link to the Black hatchet page, and i am receiving an offensive language alert that is blocking me from saving my changes. This is happening because in Portuguese, "Black" is "Negro", which i understand is sometimes used as a racist insult in English. However black equipment was named like this in Portuguese. Could an admin do something? Crowborn (talk) 17:07, December 7, 2016 (UTC)

Link added, but someone else will have to update the filter. Since it's a private filter, I can't see it, but I can easily imagine it's a pile of spaghetti. --User:Saftzie/Signature 17:19, December 7, 2016 (UTC)
From the filter's comments: "DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MODIFY THIS FILTER.". Are you ok with us just giving you rollback instead as a workaround? User:Cqm/Signature
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MODIFY THIS FILTER. Seems like the admins need to talk about their regexes. --User:Saftzie/Signature 20:37, December 7, 2016 (UTC)
I think have have Suppa to thank for this particular mess of spaghetti. I started trying to list all the words it matches and got bored after the 64 variants of a word for male genitalia including w3n!z. I had no idea that was even a recognisable word.
I suspect there's some technical limitation that was there at some point, I have no idea of it's still there or what happens if you cross it. I'll probably have to find one of Wikia's devs to explain what it means and if it's still valid. User:Cqm/Signature
Well, since I can't see it, I just have to imagine that someone got paranoid that any edits would break most/all the regexes. Maybe adding something like & ! added_lines irlike "^[[\w\w:.+?]]$", although that allows [[pt:w3n!z]]. That would allow something that's only a language link. --User:Saftzie/Signature 00:43, December 8, 2016 (UTC)
It's laid out as two massive regexes, one for words that should never appear and ones that should not appear standalone. The difference in terms of regex, aside from the content, is that the latter is surrounded by \b. From there, it's checks whether if the user is not in any specified groups, whether the edit was to a selection of namespaces. Next it checks if the text is only in the added text, so avoid triggering for edits that edit a page with it in already and also applies the second regex to new or moved titles and new users.
The full warning for the filter is:
My guess is that Suppa came up against something he couldn't workaround and decided to leave the filter for the time being. After some research, I'm still clueless what the warning could refer to. It's not the condition limit as it's up to 77/1000 and it's not the text length which is 3k/65k if T21606 is correct. User:Cqm/Signature
Thanks for adding the link, but it would be nice to find a fix for the filter. There are many pages waiting to be created that come with that name, and having to request your attention at each case would be inconvenient. Crowborn (talk) 18:34, December 13, 2016 (UTC)
I know it's not a permanent solution, but until it's fixed, you can always request my help. :) Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) 20:04, December 13, 2016 (UTC)
Oh jeeze, I should probably respond to this. The filter is very much a mess, mainly thanks to me. The do not attempt to modify is because of a bug that existed in a previous version of MediaWiki that caused the filter to match every edit if the filter's length exceeded a certain threshold. That seems to have been fixed, so that shouldn't be an issue. It's been on my mind that the filters should all be reworked to be a) more modular, b) more accurate, and c) more legible. I'll give it a think over the next few days and see if I have any ideas. I'm open to suggestions, of course. Suppa chuppa Talk 21:09, December 13, 2016 (UTC)
I have a suggestion above that should work. Although it would allow edits that add only language links, which is not ideal, it would be better than now. --User:Saftzie/Signature 21:37, December 13, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, that is true. I'm wonder how you could make it a bit more generic though. Suppa chuppa Talk 01:44, December 14, 2016 (UTC)
Handing out rollback (which is exempt from the filter) is still the easier workaround which gives us much more time to figure out an overhaul. User:Cqm/Signature 07:59, December 14, 2016 (UTC)
Except then you're handing out elevated privileges to work around a bug that has nothing to do with the privileges themselves. --User:Saftzie/Signature 21:47, December 14, 2016 (UTC)
I disagree. While the rights traditionally associated with rollback do not extend to exemption from abuse filters, that this filter includes such an exemption means we've implicitly created a new user right. If a trusted user has demonstrable need for a right, then they are given said rights. As we dont have a specific group for this, rollback is the next best option. User:Cqm/Signature
That's like saying "Just do everything as Administrator on a Windows machine." The ability to add language links shouldn't require additional privileges. Maybe we should just make everyone a rollback, then. --User:Saftzie/Signature 02:32, December 15, 2016 (UTC)
So... I think the best way to organize/clean up the filters themselves would be to separate them out into different filters by some subattribute of the filter. This way, we wouldn't have 1 massive filter that outright blocks any edit that is perceived to be bad, and it would also increase readability/ease of modifying the filters.
If we do this, we could additionally overhaul the way in which the filters use regex to match words, because it's pretty heavy handed right now, and is one of the main reasons that the filter seems to have many false positives. Suppa chuppa Talk 10:54, December 28, 2016 (UTC)
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