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I've been a member of RuneScape Wikia for years now, and I've actively contributed to the Wiki's development, to the extent that I have earned myself the Wikian title, which should be enough evidence to prove that I am a loyal member of the Wiki who would not abuse his tools or position of authority for whatever reason.

I feel that I've been a member of the Wiki and contributed enough that I am eligible for adminshop, which I desire not because of the position of authority, but because of the convenience of the tools given to sysop admins. I am already familiar with the tools thanks to my position as a sysop admin in RuneScape Fan Fiction Wiki, and as such I know what tools I have access to and how to use them. As such, it has created unnecessary complications in the past when I had to use admin tools, but I was unable to, so I had to request someone else to do it for me.

If I were to become a sysop admin, I would continue to update RuneScape Wiki, but with the admin tools now available to me, I could do so with better efficiency, allowing me to do updates I would have otherwise been unable to.

I, AquaMage2459, accept this nomination for adminship. I have read the policies concerning administrators. I realise that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my tools because I realise that this is a serious offence. If the community finds that I have done so, my tools will be revoked, and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban. Signed, AquaMage2459 (talk) 14:55, July 4, 2017 (UTC).

Questions for the nominee

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
No specific administrative role in particular: I'd participate in whatever administrative roles are needed at the time.

2. What have been your most helpful contributions to the RuneScape Wiki, and why?
Reorganization of Historical/Legendary characters categories into Deceased characters and Characters that do not appear in-game and the expansion of various navigation templates to improve the navigation within the wiki.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
No: the closest thing to a conflict was a small debate whether or not Barrows wights counted as unique group of undead: of course, this has since been resolved. I have never really been a person that gets into fights with people online, so if edit conflicts would arise, I would keep my calm and try to reason with the editors over the conflict.

4. Should this request be successful, will you request IRC operator?
No. I do not use IRC, and as such, an admin role there is not necessary.

5. Should this request be successful, do you wish to claim CC Admin rank at this time? If so, please state your current display name.

Additional questions (asked by the community if necessary)

Ye claim that there have been times when ye've needed the tools but not had access to them. Care to list any examples of such a time, and how often these times occur?

Why are ye after the tools? How would they benefit ye? Ye stated it'd be convenient, but how would it be convenient? Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 15:36, July 4, 2017 (UTC)

  • Well, for example, when I need to rename pages or files or templates, or delete pages or templates after merges or splits where the original page/template has become redundant, I have to pester admins to do the update for me, when I could've just as well done the job myself. These happen occasionally, but when they happen, they tend to be a serious hindrance, as it can take anywhere between hours and days to get an admin to do the desired change for me. I am after the tools, because I have experience in using said tools and find them to be very useful. The benefits they grant to me would allow me to do these updates on my own, without requiring me to bother other admins to do them for me. The tools would be convenient, because I have used (and I still use) them extensively as the main sysop admin of RuneScape Fan Fiction Wiki, and as a result, I am used to having said tools for years now: so when I have to make what I consider routine edits only to discover that only admins can edit the page, it just becomes an unnecessary hassle for everybody involved. If I had admin position, I could simply do edits that I mentioned before by myself, saving my time and other peoples' time. AquaMage2459 (talk) 19:38, July 4, 2017 (UTC)
  • Normal users can move pages and templates. Custodians can move files. You can request for a page to be speedy deleted and an admin will do it very soon after (usually ~1 hour). Maybe you'll find it beneficial to instead request for the Custodian role if you fit the criteria. Unlike other requests, there doesn't need to be a long discussion period - an admin would grant it you immediately if you meet the criteria. xHR7zpA.png6encXAo.png 21:06, July 4, 2017 (UTC)
  • As you were largely unaware of how an RfA should be formatted despite the instructions on RS:RFA, how can you be considered to be aware of the policies that admins need to observe in addition to those already applicable to editors, particularly when using actions that could be destructive if used unwittingly? User:Cqm/Signature
    • I read through the archived RfA:s for guidance regarding the formatting of the adminship request, and the ones I read did not show elements from the guidelines, so I was under the impression that the guidelines in question were not really used or enforced currently, and that instead the adminship request standards were a lot more relaxed. Needless to say, I was proven wrong, which does not give a particularly good first impression, I admit. As for the policies surrounding adminship, I am very well aware that with any kind of power comes responsibilities associated with said power, and adminship is no different: me blundering the RfA formatting does not mean that if I were to gain the position of an admin, I would unwittingly cause tremendeous destruction by not following Wiki policies in the future, especially after getting familiar with the policies of RuneScape Wiki, which I have been doing so far. In fact, the starting blunder served as a wake-up call to point out that if I want the admin position and the tools available to admins, I need to pay significant attention to the policies of the Wiki and take a more active role in the Wiki, and for the sake of gaining more convenient tools and not having to bother other admins, I am willing to do so. After all, I am not interested of the admin status as a sign of accomplishment, or as a trophy for my ego to prove that I am an excellent editor. I am only interested in the editorial tools granted to admins. AquaMage2459 (talk) 19:38, July 4, 2017 (UTC)
      • There are about 50-60 RfAs through the first 5 archives, followed by 150+ in the 6th archive which has been in use for the past 10 years. Only 1 of the successful admins in those first 5 are still admins today - I would have thought you would have noticed that the RfAs you were reading were for not for the admins you were requesting help from as you mentioned above. I will concede some ignorance as you haven't edited any RfA until now and that there have not been many since you joined the wiki. However, that you failed to do anything beyond a cursory investigation does not instil any confidence in me that you have read any policies, nor would you seem to be aware that those policies can change at times through discussions on the yew grove as you have edited a single forum in your time here. I don't think anyone doubts your good intentions, but some community involvement is needed to be an admin. User:Cqm/Signature

Discussion

Oppose - I don't really see a need for adminship. Looking through your contributions, your editing is somewhat sporadic: a few dozen edits in a day, then no activity for a week (or weeks). If you're not going to consistently be here, what is the point of granting you the tools?

You don't tag articles for speedy deletion or vote in RfDs, so I don't see you using the delete tool; you don't revert vandalism, so I don't see you using the block tool; and you don't interact with other users, which is probably the most important part of an administrator's job. Your edit count says you have 16 user talk page edits, 7 forum edits, and zero talk page edits, which is unusually little interaction with the community for the four years you've been here.

While your contributions to articles are appreciated – writing prose, recategorization, navbox creation, dialogue transcription, etc – they can all be done without being a sysop. I don't see a lack of adminship preventing you from "doing updates [you] would have otherwise been unable to". --Iiii I I I 17:54, July 4, 2017 (UTC)

  • I am, indeed, very sporadic with my edits, as I tend to do edits if I find something worth updating (though I do have a shortlist of updates I need to do here, mostly concerning various area templates), and as the only active admin of RuneScape Fan Fiction Wiki, my attention is more focused there, not to mention that various off-site projects usually require my attention more. I would likely use delete tool, mainly for deleting pages or templates if two pages are merged (though as you pointed out, that would likely require a RfD, so that might be, indeed, be a moot point), or for deleting a split article where the original page/template has become redundant. Asides that, the tool I would use the most would without doubt be the rename tool, as most of my requests to admins involve renaming a picture file so a template would work properly. And yes, I do not interact with other users a lot (namely because due to my sporadic editing style, I rarely have a need to), and after reading the adminship guide, I realize that is a big obstacle for earning the adminship status, as is the lack of participation to vandalism reversal, and I do admit, even in RuneScape Fan Fiction Wiki, I have used the block tool only twice, both cases being with high-profile vandals, so I would likely not use the block tool here much, either. But not having the few tools I actually would need (mainly the ability to delete pages/templates and rename files) do pose a problem quite frequently when I start doing larger edits. AquaMage2459 (talk) 21:18, July 6, 2017 (UTC)

Oppose - While I don't think you're malicious in any way and you've been a helpful editor to the wiki, you have shown very little use for the tools. I'm just going to address a few points you've made in your RfA. You've mentioned earning the Wikian title, but unfortunately in my opinion that is not an indication that you would not abuse your powers or tools. The title is a recognition of your work, not a judgement of your administrative abilities.

With regards to "(...)when I had to use admin tools, but I was unable to, [so] I had to request someone else to do it for me", I can't actually see anywhere where you have done this. You state that you would be able to edit "with better efficiency" but you haven't clarified how. Most abilities that administrators have are for maintenance and to deal with things like consensus and vandalism. I haven't seen you undo any kind of vandalism, nor have I saw you really bother to get involved in discussions.

And as mentioned in one of the questions from the community, you couldn't get the process right for even starting this RfA. While it's a minor thing to hold against you, it is expected that you know how these kinds of discussions work if you are to be entrusted with closing them and determining consensus. I feel like you do not show a need for becoming a sysop and as a suggestion, it may be more beneficial for you to request the rollback and/or custodian roles through RS:RFP. xHR7zpA.png6encXAo.png 18:14, July 4, 2017 (UTC)

  • It is true that Wikian title does not mean that I automatically have what it takes to be an admin, but I included it anyways, namely because it does show I am recognized for my work, which could give some advantage for my case (though given the responses so far, it was not particularly useful). As for evidence of me actually requesting admins to do edits for me, this is because all requests were done in the Wiki Chat (I cannot recall the exact number of interactions I had there, but as there was a bot which recorded everything said there, there should still be records of every interaction I had there, which should have proof of me asking admins to get something done) or in Discord (precisely once, concerning a file name change to get a template working properly), so since I did not interact via talk pages, I can see where the confusion came from. "With better efficiency" refers to the fact that instead of having to wait for admins to rename a file or delete something, I could've done it myself, saving my time and allowing me to do other edits instead of having to try contact admins to do the changes for me. And yes, even in RuneScape Fan Fiction Wiki I do not utilize most of the admin tools, as consensus is almost always the same with editors, and vandalism, while present every now and then, is sparse, so the tools for the jobs in question are not used as often. And to reiterate what I said earlier, I do not interact with other users a lot (namely because due to my sporadic editing style, I rarely have a need to), and after reading the adminship guide, I realize that is a big obstacle for earning the adminship status, as is the lack of participation to vandalism reversal (again, namely because most people do it before I can, as I only edit sporadically). And yes, not getting the process right from the start does not give a good impression of how I would be like in an admin's position, but as I mentioned there, I have since read the admin guide, and while daunting, I am up for the task, even if it requires me to participate a lot more to wiki editing. And while I would be satisfied with a lesser role that provides access to the tools I need, neither Rollback nor Custodian roles allow page name editing, which is one of the most important tools I could need. AquaMage2459 (talk) 21:18, July 6, 2017 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't see much in your answers that shows a need for the tools. Wanting admin rights for convenience doesnt sit well with me. If you had experience with nominating deletions with speedy or a discussion, or you had experience with CVU, I'd say yes. - Purple partyhat Sparky Kitty the WikianFiremaking 19:46, July 4, 2017 (UTC)

Nae yet - I can appreciate yer enthusiasm for helping the wiki but I just get the feeling that ye just want to avoid an inconvenience and have little comprehension of what ye're asking as ye're being rather vague. I asked ye to list a time when ye needed the tools, and instead of specifying an instance, ye gave a vague description, ye've also given an extremely vague answer to question 1; yer response to my questions actually gave a suitable answer. Ye mentioned authority as if somehow admins are above ordinary editors, ye used a format that hasn't been used in 8 years, and yer answer to Cqm suggests ye're ignorant of our policies. Please read over these comments and take them into consideration should ye decide to try again in the future Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 20:10, July 4, 2017 (UTC)

  • Well, yes, it's inconvenient to wait for days to get an admin to rename a file one could've renamed in less than a minute just to fix a bug in a template.

And you do have a valid point: before I read all of the available material about what being a admin entailed, and even while I am a sysop of RuneScape Fan Fiction Wiki, being a sysop of one Wiki does not necessarely translate automatically to being eligible for the right to being a sysop in another wiki.

As for the vagueness over the intances when I would've needed the rights, I think there was a bit of miscommunication as to what constituted as examples, so I decided to go through the chat logs for every instance I requested peoples' help with articles, and there turned out to be quite a few instances.

  • 24.9.2014: Requested a rename of a file File:Chaos dwarf.png to File:Chaos dwarf female.png for the sake of standardization, since File:Chaos dwarf male.png already existed.
  • 24.9.2014: Requested a rename of a file File:Black guard berserker.png to File:Black guard berserker male.png, again, for the sake of standardisation.
  • 24.9.2014: Requested a rename of a file File:Black guard beserker female.png to File:Black guard berserker female.png to fix a typo in the file name.
  • 12.5.2016: Requested the deletion of Category:Historical characters, after I emptied the category of content and moved the page's content to other categories.
  • 12.5.2016: Requested the deletion of Category:Legendary characters, after I emptied the category of content and moved the page's content to other categories.
  • 4.8.2016: Requested a rename of a file File:Giantrat.png to File:Giant rat.png: reason for this I have forgotten, but it was presumably to make the naming convension consistent and to ensure future templates work as intended.
  • 4.8.2016: Requested a rename of a file File:Zimberizz_old.png to File:Zimberfizz_old.png: reason for this was a typo when I posted the image, and as such, I was unable to edit the image's name myself.
  • 20.3.2017: Requested a rename of a file File:Lunderwinchathead.png to File:Lunderwin chathead.png to make Template:Fairies work properly.

As for admins being above ordinary editors, well, asides having access to tools like being able to rename and delete pages and files does give appear to give them a bit more autonomy over average users, if you ask me, but even then, I do not consider them being above ordinary users by the virtue of their status, but because of the powers they hold, which they earned. The use of the old format was a honest mistake, and I was not aware of the policies until people pointed out that, after which I begun reading them. AquaMage2459 (talk) 21:18, July 6, 2017 (UTC)

Oppose - you certainly do make a lot of useful contributions here, which are appreciated, but I don't feel that you need admin tools. You are not particularly active in areas like counter-vandalism, requesting speedy deletion and discussing changes to the wiki; these are something I would expect to see someone requesting adminship. From what I remember you are mostly active in editing lore and character related content and I would hope to see more general editing from someone wanting to make use of admin tools. Apart from that its not clear from what you've written here that you know what tools admins have here or how we expect such tools to be used on this wiki. For example you said that you would like to be able to move files but, as Jayden has already pointed out, this is a right of the custodian user group rather than something that requires you to be an administrator. I agree with him that you should look into requesting custodian/rollback rights as I think you would be able to make good use of these. Magic logs detailIsobelJRaw rocktail detail 16:44, July 6, 2017 (UTC)

  • Well, yes, I am not active in areas like counter-vandalism, requesting speedy deletion and discussing changes to the wiki (namely because as I am active only sporadically, if something like that arises, chances are that I am not active at the time, and even if I would be, I don't think there is much impactful feedback I could actually provide), and as I've only learned afterwards that being heavily involved prior to becoming an admin is almost mandatory for a candidate, it seems like I am unlikely to get approved. And given that even in other wikis where I am an admin I rarely use other admin tools than the ability to rename file names and delete redundant files/names when there is a permission for such action, I would be fine with applying for another role that allows such function. That way, I could be more autonomous user, and I'd be fine with just having access to the ability to rename and delete pages. AquaMage2459 (talk) 21:18, July 6, 2017 (UTC)

Oppose - per everyone above, I feel like admin privileges are a massive overkill in this case. Perhaps custard would fit your needs better. Fallen leaves ThePsionic Eek 22:22, July 6, 2017 (UTC)

Closed - Withdrawn on Discord. User:Cqm/Signature

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