My name is Haidro and today I am requesting for the sysop tools. I feel now that I can benefit greatly with the tools having been here for over a year and a half editing almost 10,000 times. During my time on the wiki, I hang out in Special:Chat, IRC, and the infrequent trip to the Clan Chat. While in there, I occasionally bug admins to do any tasks which need completing, such as deleting content or blocking users. There have been instances where admins are needed, but are away in either Chat or IRC and has even once made me have to go to the Clan Chat.
I live on a GMT + 10 time zone where currently not many admins are present during the afternoon. Since Sentra has gone inactive, there are now less aussie sysops than before and I feel that we do need more, and that I am a good "fill-in". I am also on the wiki for a great amount of time, more than 4 hours a day, and even more on the weekends.
I, Haidro, accept this nomination for adminship. I have read the policies concerning administrators. I realise that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my tools because I realise that this is a serious offence. If the community finds that I have done so, my tools will be revoked, and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban. Signed, Haidro (talk) 12:12, December 8, 2012 (UTC).
Questions for the nominee
1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
I intend to use the blocking tool while patrolling recent changes, if necessary of course, and other basic maintenance tasks, such as deleting pages/files, merging files, and awarding consensus to page maintenance threads. I will also grant the occasional user the rollback or custodian tool and closing UotM monthly (if no other sysop has done it already) . All these locations that I will use the tools in are places I am fairly active in.
2. What have been your most helpful contributions to the RuneScape Wiki, and why?
My most helpful contributions are probably the ones that help with newly-released updates on RuneScape. Although I am F2P, I get information from news posts and other players to help me understand the new update, and progress my information onto the wiki by adding files and pages.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
As an active user in Special:Chat and counter-vandalism, yes.
Occasionally I get into an argument with a user about some particular edit, or even relating to another user. This can be shown on my talk page (and archives), as there have been posts from anons regarding why their edits have been removed/changed. I talked to them on their talk pages, and we eventually got the issue/s resolved. I have also had minor conflicts in IRC and even the Clan Chat.
I will deal with conflicts as I have been doing normally, with the addition of learning from my mistakes. I normally just take a break if I am arguing with someone, and later apologise to them.
In depth of the conflicts:
One time in IRC, I had mistakenly thought I had undone an edit (the page had saved, but actually Coel had removed it) and so I went to warn the anon. I then noticed that Coel's edit summary on the edit was… well, it wasn't an edit summary, it was a revert. The reason for which the edit had been removed was RS:NPOV I believe, and so I pinged Coel in both S:C and IRC (a mistake, yes) to tell him to undo the edit and say RS:NPOV and not just revert the edit. He later told me that he actually reverted the edit and not me, and got annoyed at me that I had warned the anon and not him. I apologised to Coel for pinging him in both chats, and had told him that it was a mistake not knowing first that he had actually undone the edit and not me.
With the incident in the Clan Chat, it was just an argument with Christine and I relating to another user (This was two months ago). I have a picture (well pictures) of it (what isn't mentioned is that I actually left the channel after the last line), and I realised that it was me who had done some mistakes here. Firstly, I should have just dropped it when I said we should drop it. I don't know why I continued. Secondly, I believe it wasn't nice how I said "I don't like you" at the end, and I must apologise to you Christine.
4. Should this request be successful, which of the following, if any, do you wish to be added to your account: Username highlight; IRC operator; Clan Chat administrator?
- Well, the highlight is going to crash and burn, so...
- IRC, despite the fact that I am rather active, no thank you.
- CCA, No thanks
Additional questions (asked by the community if necessary)
- What spurred this sudden-feeling request for adminship? How long exactly did you consider the beneficial tools, if you did consider it over a period of time? Coelacanth0794 Talk 17:58, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that this was a "sudden RfA". I had been thinking about this at least more than a month now(exactly I really would have no clue), and it was just coincidence that Hair's RfA just commenced a few days before. In no way did that affect this RfA at all. Haidro (talk) 19:56, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
- What makes you significant from other active users in the community? What imperfections do you see yourself doing on the wiki that you would like to address, and hopefully, improve on? -- SpineTalk 23:55, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
- If anything, it will probably be my timezone. I already mentioned it above, so I'm not going to repeat stuff here :p. If there's one thing I'd like to improve on, it's probably Python. I've started to learn it a few months ago and I'm getting really interested in it. I would love to start a bot on this wiki to do some task, after I have learned what I need to about Python. Another thing I would like to improve on, and I guess this is rather major, is my maturity. It has been raised in this RfA, so I'll let everyone else comment about it, but I myself do acknowledge that it can be improved. I will try to act more maturer now, whether it will be in either S:C or IRC, and I hope it will be up to everyone's standards. Haidro (talk) 00:09, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
- You left a message on ChristineV's talk page yesterday to apologise for the conflict that had occurred between the two of you. Why did you only feel it necessary or appropriate to apologise now, when you have an active RfA? Ronan Talk 08:36, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
- I left it there after reading a_proofreader's comments, saying that an RfA is not the place to apologise to a user. I agreed with her, so I went to apologise to her officially on her talk page. I had before said sorry to her in IRC a while ago, but I do not know if she had received the message or not. For leaving the apology until now was a stupid mistake, I should have definitely done it before, but I guess it's better late than never. Haidro (talk) 08:52, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
Not yet- I feel you're too young and have a way to go yet before being suitable to represent the wiki as a sysop. I think you may have created this nomination in the spur of the moment in light of Hairr's ongoing request, whereas if you had put your name forward sometime later next year you would have been a more capable candidate.
My problem is that, while I am reasonably confident that you would use the additional tools assigned to sysops adequately, I don't believe you are yet mature enough for this (and after reading your referenced incident with Christine, I'm uneasy about how you handle conflict). I think you're a solid worker, a good friend, and you mean well, but this is simply too early for you, no matter how nice your hairdo is. Ronan Talk 12:50, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
Not yet - If you had waited a while, you would have learned that I wanted to nominate you sometime in the future. Not now though, because I don't think you are mature enough yet. You can still be childish sometimes, just in general and while handling conflicts. I think you should wait longer and work on it then discuss it with the community on how you've progressed before jumping the gun like this again (I wanted to nominate!@#). User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature 17:19, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
- I'd like to clarify in response to Rhy's comment - I don't think Hydro, currently, could be trusted fully enough with the tools because of his immature behavior and lack of understanding things (?). He's just not there yet. User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature 00:29, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Support - Whilst you have some issues, you has the honesty to point them out and discuss how he has decided to act and learn from them. I consider this to mark you as an upstanding, well-rounded individual and would applaud going as far as to openly apologise to someone. We all make mistakes, but my only issue is those who don't learn from them. Maturity is something we all lack at times, but I feel you know when to draw the line. I'm sure you would put the tools to good use
- REDIRECT User:Cqm/Signature
Support - Always seems to have the best interests of the wiki in mind and is a good editor and has good behaviour. Don't see why not.23:52, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
Support - When I was around, almost all my affiliation with the wiki was through the clan chat and irc (I never really edited). Despite this I know Haidro to be a significant and excellent editor. As such I believe that wiki admin tools in Haidro's hands would be of great benefit. The fact that Haidro is in the kilo/lima time zone is an added bonus. In my experience Haidro is a reasonable and agreeable individual and I see little concern in terms of maturity or conflict with other admins or other users. Therefore I support. Good luck mate. Raglough (talk) 00:16, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
Support Neutral - He listens to my every demand. MolMan 00:40, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
Support - Haidro will be an excellent replacement for Sentra. He shows solid work in counter vandalism, which is the area he intends to focus on. I don't see a problem with his maturity, it is probably better than what most sysops act like in IRC . Extra points for acknowledging your previous errors, knowing where you went wrong is a sure sign that you've learnt from it and won't do it again. You're also a great mate and fellow Sydneysider. 222 talk 11:24, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
- No one can ever replace me, for I have always been and will forever be the greatest. 06:56, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
Support - I have a serious problem with the "You'll use the tools great! But you're too childish" argument. If a person believes that the tools can be used to the advantage of the wiki, and that the person will use the tools very well, implying that there isn't a lack of trust, why shouldn't they be given them? Yes, Haidro can me slightly immature at times, but so can everyone, myself, the best of the admins, the worst of the admins, general users. Haidro will use the tools for complete and utter good if and when he gets them, and until there's a very valid point for why he should't be given them, because he mis-used this tool or did this with that tool, he should be a sysop of the wiki.02:43, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
Comment - Regarding what you've said about your time-zone, I live in Melbourne and whilst I have not had a Wikia account for very long I have found that there are usually ≥2 sysops in Special:Chat at any one time during the afternoon. Temujin 04:33, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
Oppose/Neutral - I'm not exactly sure of what I think of this. I have more fixed feelings rather than a definite perspective of whether or not Haidro should become an admin. I think his thoughts are in order on using the tools well, but I believe there is more than that. More than maturity or edit count, but rather understanding what he's coming from by requesting these tools.
After spending time with Haidro (before knowing he was creating an RfA), I've come to understand more and more why he is doing what he does on the wiki. I personally believe that Haidro likes to please, be thought as useful, and be remembered in some sort of way (even if it is some what small). As he likes to be seen as useful to the wiki, he does tasks that some users wouldn't usually do, which is of course great for the wiki, but as doing the same task again and again, it sometimes can be seen as a less of a useful task (which is entirely untrue, but rather in the eye of the beholder as difficultly continues to decrease. It's just a way humans think for some reason). For this reason, he continues to do different things for increased difficulty (perhaps one reason why he has began an intrest in Python). Now it's at the point where he's requesting sysop rights to continue this upgrade of tasks that can be done. Does this mean he needs the tools or just rather have another way to perform well? Don't get me wrong, having the extra tools is definitely helpful but thus makes me thinks, what's next? Bureaucrat? Very unlikely, so hopefully the tasks will improve from you if this does pass, rather than solely doing administrative tasks, as I'm not sure if giving sysop rights will end well after time.
I also would like to note something about Haidro and doing tasks, even if it isn't solely for the wiki. After spending time with Haidro for python, I've understood more about what his thought process is whilst doing it. I think that he is always eager to fulfill something thrown at him and will complete something that he has started, which is always an excellant quality for a sysop (being reliable). Though looking at what happens during the tasks, frustration can arise which can result in raging towards oneself. Hopefully this wouldn't come across to another user when a conflict arises, such as the one with Christine which I am still alarmed about, as that still seems recent.
Another thing that has been brought up in this RfA is timezones. He states that in his timezone there is very little amount of admins online around these hours. I understand the relevance to this and becoming a sysop, but I don't believe this is necessarily true. Of course it might be true that there is a small amount of admins in your timezone but there is usually more than one admin online that is willing to do something for you. I know there is usually 2 or 3 admins on S:C and 4 or 5 on IRC during your timezone, whether or not they are willing to do something is a different story, nothing that needs to be addressed right now as that applies all day long with all admins.
Last thing I want to point out it, is what you told to me before the RfA in ##hairybot. The RfA was supposed to brought up today (December 11th), as an RfA was 2 weeks and christmas is 2 weeks away from today too, thus would be a "nice present" if this does pass, as you said. I really, really don't like this statement. If this is viewed as a present, for a new status brought upon to you, rather than be given a new tool, it makes me reconsider why you actually want to be a sysop. I might be interpreting this wrong or you might not of meant it in this way, but regardless, it makes me worried.
Because of what I said above, I feel as if there is too many issues that would be affecting his role as a sysop. Thus the reason why I opposed/neutral'd this RfA. I'd also like to say, Haidro, don't take this personally, as I think that you're a great person and friend, I just think there are too many issues still arisen before the tools can be given. As I have said above, I think you'll aim to work out all the issues risen in the RfA, whether or not this passes, so I think if there is a next RfA, everything will be completely fine with all the issues worked out (some being what I personally see, so I might see differently as time goes by). Hair 03:42, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Darn Hairr... I wonder what your personality study says about me :P.... you can always message me on my talk if you want about it ;). --Kangaroopowah (Talk) 04:56, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
- God help the bureaucrat closing this. Sincerely, Paragraphs 05:21, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
|Logs of the IRC conflict (raw source)|
| [01:26:24] Haidro: Coel|
[01:26:26] Haidro: why u revert
Neutral - Well, it looks like this RFA is not in the future anymore; it's in the present. Looking in your contributions I'd say you would make good use of the ability to move-delete, delete and merge images because you do a lot of image maintenance, and of the block tool because you revert and warn vandals. You welcome users on their talk pages using the user creation log, too.
However, I doubt your ability to handle conflict in a manner expected of a sysop is up to par. Your ability to handle conflict in one communication medium is at issue, as well as your ability to move conflict to private conversation in order to avoid disrupting a chat. And an RFA is probably not the place to apologise to someone. It looks artificial, as if you'd only apologise now because it would otherwise make you look bad in the RFA. You should have apologised on Christine's talk page.
Coel and Christine are not without fault, because they should have been the better person and realised this was disrupting the chat medium in the respective conversations. However, your handling of conflict in Coel's case amounts to trolling.These arguments average to Neutral (no formal opposition, but no formal support either). 14:19, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Not yet - I don't think you're really that good with handling conflict. Just today in Special:Chat, you appeared to egg somebody on with the intent of kicking them, and made no effort to try and prevent them from trolling Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 01:51, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
Not yet - Per what everyone above mentioned about handling conflict. While I've seen much improvement (for example, the first few times I called you "hairdo" you more or less exploded), there is still a ways to go. --LiquidTalk 18:53, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
Support - I am the king of immaturity, and I was an admin. argument invalid
- REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 19:34, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
Support - Had to come back just to support hairdo, he'd make a great admin and will make good use of the tools and overall I've never had a real problem with his maturity.06:56, December 20, 2012 (UTC)