Elite clue scroll
There is the same amount of evidence for jagex releasing this as there is for jagex releasing intercontinental ballistic missiles. Jagex NEVER, EVER said that they will release elite clue scrolls. They have said they will release elite TREASURE TRAILS, which is different. Furthermore, we do not split clues into separate articles- level 3 and 2 and 1 are all just called "clue scroll." No evidence for this being any different.
delete- as nom.
20:17, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
Redirect - Per Psycho. User:Haloolah123/Sig 20:22, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
Delete - Per nom. 
SpineTalk
20:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
Delete - Per nom. --Coolnesse 21:26, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
Delete - Per nom. 
Atlandy
18:43, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
Delete - Per nom-nom-nom. The Pandorica will open. 18:53, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
Redirect to Clue scroll - Which is probably what all of you meant anyways. http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33/Psycho_Robot/Sigs%20and%20Avatars/kitty.pngPsycho Robot talk
18:57, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
Redirect - Per robot. Coelacanth0794 18:59, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
Redirect I personally think a redirect to either clue or treasure trails (most notably the level 4 section when it comes out) would work. 
Archmage Elune TalkHS 
fetus is my son and I love him. 01:31, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
Redirect otherwise Delete - Per all. 222 talk 09:11, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
Redirect - Per Psycho.
Sentra246
09:29, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
Redirect - Per Psychonub bad_fetustalk 09:43, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
Request for closure - redirect, delete, same thing.
15:02, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
- I would just like to point out the stupidity of the statement "There is the same amount of evidence for jagex releasing this as there is for jagex releasing intercontinental ballistic missiles." While it is is true that there is no direct evidence that an item by this name will be released, it is not out of the realm of likelihood. They've labelled the new trails "elite trails" instead of level 4 trails, so it is possible that the clue scroll for this trail will break the previous mold of non-denoted clues just like it will break the mold of level 1/2/3 trails. So to say there is no evidence whatsoever is patently stupid. Further, what if there is indeed an elite clue scroll released? Won't you all feel stupid for having wasted your time on some stupid policy-wanking while being under the impression that this page is a stain on the respectability of this website because it's sepculation. It is at least possible that such an item is going to be released, the question will be resolved by the end of this month, and it is possible that readers may find it useful in the meantime; as such it is nonsense to delete it now while it is uncertain instead of then when it will be certain. (wszx) 19:55, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
So then, its not stupid. Its a true, undesputed fact that there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDINCE that jagex will release this. You must not have noticed that we arn't talking about the "realm of likelyhood", we are talking about FACTS. Again, possible, not proven. Even if there WAS evidence, wikia deals with PROOF. And i will not feel stupid, as im not saying it wont come out. I'm arguing that THERE IS NO EVIDINCE FOR IT. So even if it does come out I'm right, THERE IS NO EVIDNCE NOR PROOF FOR IT.
Let me list the items that its "possible" for jagex to release: [redacted]
And 3rd age bowswords. Just because somethings possible, doesn't mean we have an article for it nor does it mean its likely to come out at all. Clear?
22:46, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
- Stop using caps. It is considered shouting, which is rude, and doesn't make your arguments any stronger (and goodness knows how lacking you are in that category). I already acknowledged that there is no direct evidence that this item will be released. That doesn't mean that it's not going to exist, or that we must ignore any evidence which suggests it might exist. I am submitting that the evidence for its possible existence is compelling enough to warrant suspension of deletion until we know for sure. As for your embarrassingly false assertion that Wiki deals with "PROOF", take into account that Wikia as a company and the RS Wikia as a website does neither. This site is positively rife with speculation, opinion and what-might-be. (wszx) 23:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Your tone is FAR worse then shouting or typing in caps or whatever u think im doing. And- as a fact- wikia does not allow opinions or speculation. Stuff does get by, but in that case i or other helpful users will remove it, provided people such as you dont get in the way. But yes, IT IS A FACT, runescape wikia doesn't allow speculation or opinions. I suggest you read our policys if you are new. Also please point out speculation/opinions to me in an article. 23:38, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
- FAR worse, you say? Well thank goodness I wasn't shouting my tone at you. Please also endeavour to make distinctions between Wikia and the RuneScape Wikia. Just like "wiki" does not mean "Wikipedia", "Wikia" does not mean "RuneScape Wikia". I would also appreciate your not patronizing me with an admonition to "read our policys [sic]" if I am new, particularly since I have been registered on this site considerably longer than you have. If you wish to reference a specific policy to support your argument, then do so. But refrain from a useless chastisement to read all of them. The policy I imagine you are most concerned with is RS:NOT#CRYSTAL, which reads: Articles are not the place for speculation about future updates. Future content should not be discussed in the article namespace, unless it has been explicitly mentioned on the official Jagex or RuneScape sites. Even then, coverage should not go into detail or speculate about the update's content unless it was given in the update. While this clause may support excising speculation, I submit that it does not mandate deletion of this article. Your only leg to stand on with regard to this article's being speculation is a technicality that the BTS only labelled the trail as being "elite", rather than the clue. If we ignore that technicality (not imprudent, since both clues and trails are currently referred to a level X clue/trail) this clause is dismissed because it provides for inclusion of explicitly mentioned content, which this is. Again, though, this is largely moot. There is no compelling reason for urgency, and I suggest we can wait until the update is released to see what actually happens, and make a more informed decision then. (wszx) 02:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- I DO THIS ALL THE TIME IN DISCUSSIONS. It's called raging or going 'berserk', tyvm. Your logic is nullified by RS:NOT#CRYSTAL. Our policies do not allow us to write anything that is speculated. Case closed, --Coolnesse 02:34, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
- While I'm sure 3AF is thrilled to count the eminent likes of you in his company of "ragers", simply because you see fit to behave indecorously does not mean it is acceptable. (wszx) 02:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- I DO THIS ALL THE TIME IN DISCUSSIONS. It's called raging or going 'berserk', tyvm. Your logic is nullified by RS:NOT#CRYSTAL. Our policies do not allow us to write anything that is speculated. Case closed, --Coolnesse 02:34, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
- FAR worse, you say? Well thank goodness I wasn't shouting my tone at you. Please also endeavour to make distinctions between Wikia and the RuneScape Wikia. Just like "wiki" does not mean "Wikipedia", "Wikia" does not mean "RuneScape Wikia". I would also appreciate your not patronizing me with an admonition to "read our policys [sic]" if I am new, particularly since I have been registered on this site considerably longer than you have. If you wish to reference a specific policy to support your argument, then do so. But refrain from a useless chastisement to read all of them. The policy I imagine you are most concerned with is RS:NOT#CRYSTAL, which reads: Articles are not the place for speculation about future updates. Future content should not be discussed in the article namespace, unless it has been explicitly mentioned on the official Jagex or RuneScape sites. Even then, coverage should not go into detail or speculate about the update's content unless it was given in the update. While this clause may support excising speculation, I submit that it does not mandate deletion of this article. Your only leg to stand on with regard to this article's being speculation is a technicality that the BTS only labelled the trail as being "elite", rather than the clue. If we ignore that technicality (not imprudent, since both clues and trails are currently referred to a level X clue/trail) this clause is dismissed because it provides for inclusion of explicitly mentioned content, which this is. Again, though, this is largely moot. There is no compelling reason for urgency, and I suggest we can wait until the update is released to see what actually happens, and make a more informed decision then. (wszx) 02:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- Your tone is FAR worse then shouting or typing in caps or whatever u think im doing. And- as a fact- wikia does not allow opinions or speculation. Stuff does get by, but in that case i or other helpful users will remove it, provided people such as you dont get in the way. But yes, IT IS A FACT, runescape wikia doesn't allow speculation or opinions. I suggest you read our policys if you are new. Also please point out speculation/opinions to me in an article. 23:38, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
- (Reset Tabs) I'd just like to point out that I don't think this is going anywhere. Neither of you are likely to convince the other of their argument/side. I think it would be better if you guys just stopped, but that's your decision. If they are in fact called "Elite clue scroll"s, the article may easily be changed from a redirect into a legitimate article. I don't see any information that is all that valuable in the article currently. User:Haloolah123/Sig 02:56, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Redirect - Per above. Matthew2602 03:01, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Request for closure - Redirect to clue scroll. Discussion has been open long enough, I'v gotten almost 100% support, and keeping it open further will just result is pointless arguing.