Ian Gower[]
The article is not suitable for inclusion on this wiki. The only info on him that I could find on him on reliable sources was that he converted the quests Goblin Diplomacy[1] and Fight Arena[2] and a phrase about the Meltdown arcade game, but this is trivial and certainly not enough to establish notability. No reliable source states that he helped create an early version of RuneScape in 1999 or anything of that sort. In addition, this article is an unsourced one on a living person. Smithing 21:04, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
Support - Although he could be considered one of the founders of RuneScape, he is just too insignificant to have an article on. I personally see him as being more notable as Paul and Andrew's brother, and that isn't significant enough for me to want it Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 21:13, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - Any information should make the article suitable, especially since he's one of the founders (albeit the most insignificant one). Furthermore, for a game like this, we have to realize that the obscurity of some of the subjects precludes our ability to cite everything. As long as the claims made are not that far-fetched and do not incite a reasonable level of suspicion, I don't see a problem. --LiquidTalk 21:19, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
- First and foremost, can you prove that he is one of the founders, because I can't find any. Second, we have to realize that we can't have info that is incorrect and/or could unreasonably harm the living person. If the info cannot be found in trustworthy sources (as none of the info currently can on Ian Gower's article as far as I know), it shouldn't be trusted as it could be incorrect, inaccurate etc. You have to consider that not all info that is correct etc. will be suspicious and far-fetched, some of the info may not be that at all but still be incorrect etc. Smithing 20:17, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - He is one of the founders of the game this site is based on. Keep the information on him, however large or small it is, as historical.
- REDIRECT User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature 00:49, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - This states that Gower worked freelance on graphics and modelling; it seems to be from very early on, and is quoted elsewhere which makes me think it was mirrored from an antiquated official source. This also shows that Ian was one of the original shareholders in Jagex Ltd; we have pages on all of the other shareholders (with the exception of IVP, which could soon change). Furthermore, the RuneScape Wiki does not have a BLP policy like en.wp does, so using that as an argument doesn't help your case. ʞooɔ 07:43, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Let's see. OOCities is definitely an unreliable source that was mirrored from a site that allows users to freely create a website. And besides, that site refers to Jagex staff, which is not RuneScape, and there's not sufficient evidence to prove it does come from an official or reliable source. Cambridge Clusters doesn't state anything about Ian Gower (except in one of the comments in the blog itself, which definitely isn't reliable). In addition, I hadn't previously referred to Wikipedia in this topic. Smithing 19:59, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - We might have little information about him at the moment, but the information we have is enough to make him notable, possibly because he helped found the game? 222 talk 07:47, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
Comment - I'd imagine he was mentioned in the runefest stuff too, might be worth a look. --Henneyj 09:00, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
Comment - Can someone please provide a reliable source that proves Ian Gower was the co-founder, because I'm really doubting that claim is correct. As I've said, the only info related to RuneScape that I could find on him (on reliable sources) was that he helped with the conversion of two RuneScape quests. I seriously don't think that makes him notable. Smithing 19:59, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose, what a lovely article, why again are you trying to delete it? I see absolutely no good reason stated above.
- REDIRECT User:C886553/sig 20:17, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe I should clarify that. None of the info on the article may currently be correct or is likely to be correct as it is unverifiable (and unprovable) as far as I know, and could harm the guy Ian because of this. That's the main one. Smithing 20:25, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - OMG let's also get rid of main page it could harm someone bad_fetustalk 11:47, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
- So are you suggesting that inaccurate information about a person cannot harm them? Smithing 11:51, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
- No, I'm saying that saying someone helped creating an early version of RuneScape can not harm that person. bad_fetustalk 13:57, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it definitely can if it is not true or it is not a fact (do I really need to provide examples of this?). Unless some reliable source publishes it, well then we can't know if it is a fact (there is a lot of info that could be put on articles that is not suspicious and/or bias at all but is completely incorrect and/or not a fact, and this is the only way to verify if info like in the article is one). Keep in mind we also have to regard other people's privacy. I'm taking this seriously. Smithing 16:02, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
- No, I'm saying that saying someone helped creating an early version of RuneScape can not harm that person. bad_fetustalk 13:57, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
Don't hold your breath but I actually asked on the forums [3]. Let us hope for an official answer, or what the **** is the point of being "silver supported" for anyhow?--Degenret01 13:13, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. Smithing 16:02, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
Comment 2 - RS:SG says "Do not try and claim "facts" such as "player x was the first to complete this task" without any verifiable proof." if anyone is interested. Smithing 17:25, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - In the devblog cited in an answer to Degen's forum thread, it says that Ian worked part-time on graphics in-between studying for A-level exams. So he definitely worked on the original version of RS, therefore he's article-worthy. User:Real Not Pure/Signature 06:51, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
Where are our dev blogs? It would be great if we could link to that blog on Ians article, and I think that should be enough to erase any doubt whether or not he gets one. Not as a founder, but as a part time helper. I do wonder if he wishes now he did more, then he could be one of the top richest dudes in the UK.--Degenret01 07:02, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Developers'_Blogs bad_fetustalk 16:34, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
- This is the one mentioned on the forums: Update:Blog - History of RuneScape: The First Four Years --Henneyj 01:02, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
Runefest vids (Andrews comments) - Re:devious mud - "all the graphics drawn by a combination of myself and Ian"[4]. He also mentions Ian re:RSC graphics (Although apparently his mum even helped out with some graphics D: )[5]. I get the impression he basically just drew some pictures which could be scanned. --Henneyj 01:54, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
Withdraw - per additional reliably sourced information. Smithing (talk | contribs) 03:39, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
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