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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed merge of the article below. Please do not modify it. The result was Keep separate.

Luring

I suggested a while back that the luring page should be changed, removing most of the content (especially any lures which can still be used). Removing the lures that can currently be used would leave this page more or less empty, hence the suggestion to merge it into scams (seeing as luring is, in a way, scamming). There's already a sub-header for "Scams related to player killing", which appears to be a copy-pasta from luring.

Merge - As nominator Magic cape NYX TRYX | EDITSNoxious staff 09:31, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Comment - why should the current lures be removed? Magic logs detailIsobelJRaw rocktail detail 09:40, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

Hey Iso :D I already replied on discord, but I know discussions have to be on the wiki, so as I said, here is the answer again; we have already dissociated ourselves from another wiki (I cannot find the specific link) which was "protecting" players by sharing details of how to lure/scam under the guise of informing people how to avoid falling for such traps.
Also, the runescape rules apply across the wiki, and, personally, I feel like sharing details which could help anyone lure or scam from a player is encouraging rule breaking. I'm sure there's a better way it could be done; but whether we remove the current luring methods or not, I still think these pages should be merged, as luring is effectively scamming, the only real difference being that with lures you have to convince a player to go to a certain area, rather than just convince them to give you their items.
So, in short; we shouldn't be sharing details that would help rule breaking; and the pages should still be merged, because the details of both scams and lures are, at their most basic level (ie the end goal of taking another person's items via deception), identical. Magic cape NYX TRYX | EDITSNoxious staff 21:37, June 16, 2018 (UTC)
Linked to the comment above; RuneScape:Requests for deletion/Archive 4#Dark RuneScape Wiki the discussion that dissociated rsw from darkscape wiki, because content there was generally used by scammers. The way I see it, that's how the content on the current luring page could be used. Magic cape NYX TRYX | EDITSNoxious staff 21:51, June 17, 2018 (UTC)
I do not think we need to be so harsh as to remove all details about the lures. I'm not sure that luring is against the rules or if it falls into a bit of a grey area. The current RuneScape rules don't mention it specifically, and even the rule on scamming just mentions password/PIN scamming rather than in-game item scamming. Just as the information could be helpful to people looking to lure/scam, it also provides people with information that could be helpful in knowing how to avoid being lured. "Luring" is a separate concept to scamming and is a term commonly used by players so I do think that a page on the subject should exist. I think that the current information could be cut down, perhaps removing some of the details that are not relevant to avoiding the lures, but I think that removing large amounts of information is not warranted and would be detrimental to readers. Magic logs detailIsobelJRaw rocktail detail 09:43, June 21, 2018 (UTC)
Fair enough about the fact that luring should have it's own page; but my idea was to combine the pages and remove unnecessary info, like the fact one can use a gnomeball in certain areas to guarantee a lure works. That fact is not needed to avoid the lure. Knowing where it happens is all that one needs to know to become suspicious of another player who takes them there. As for the rules, yes, I guess that's technically right, but Jagex have set precedent before by punishing players who lure others, under the argument that luring is dishonest, though I don't have a source for that. Magic cape NYX TRYX | EDITSNoxious staff 05:52, July 6, 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - An 11 year old discussion does not constitute a precedent. Helping rule breakers is one thing, but as a resource for players, we should provide information to help them avoid being lured. I think the potential benefits of the page outweigh the risks it poses. User:Cqm/Signature

Technically, it does. A precedent is "an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances." I'd argue that this is a similar circumstance, as the page specifically details how certain lures are carried out, in a similar way to how the DarkScape Wiki was detailing such things. While I agree the information on how to avoid them should be available, the level of detail on the page, at current, would reasonably enable a person to carry out several lures. In fact, there's several methods listed that I had no clue about, and now, because of how much detail is on the page, I would be able to carry out, if I was of the mind to lure another person. Magic cape NYX TRYX | EDITSNoxious staff 05:52, July 6, 2018 (UTC)

Closed - No consensus was reached, so the pages remain separate. Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) 06:58, July 6, 2018 (UTC)


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