Talk:Ancient effigies

it has been confirmed by a jagex mod that ring of wealth dont affect the droprate of them. can someone please edit it in the wiki?81.227.15.177 20:16, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Can I get a source on this? ʞooɔ 01:11, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

it was somewhere in the Game Update FAQ following the update I'm pretty sure. 65.95.22.242 22:43, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Dragonkin Lamp exp formula

The one listed isn't completely accurate. A more accurate estimation is (x^3)/20.2, but even that isn't entirely correct. I have, so far, a few lamp rewards. Any more that anybody could add would help, quite a bit. I'll add more as I get them. 19,282 xp lamp for level 73 Mining

26,320 xp lamp for level 81 dung

28,315 xp lamp for level 83 Herblore

29,349 xp lamp for level 84 Herblore

36,090 xp lamp for level 90 Woodcutting

38,548 xp lamp for level 92

39,817 xp lamp for level 93 Slayer

39,817 xp lamp for level 93 Defence

41,115 xp lamp for level 94 Slayer

42,411 xp lamp for level 95 Runecrafting <- 42,441?

96.251.32.115 05:53, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Goblins?

Are you sure goblins (specifically the level 3's as stated on the page) drop these? It seems very unlikely, as everything else listed is of high level. Super adm 09:04, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Scratch that, nevermind, someone clever got rid of it. :) hopefully we'll work out everything that REALLY drops these pretty quickly. Super adm 09:09, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

• I was confused by the vandalism for a second, but I sorted it out ;)  Lil cloud 9 ^Talk 09:10, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
• I have a friend who kills a lot of goblins so if they get one they will show me on their adventure log. 66.169.101.69 05:25, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I dont know if the lvl 3 goblins drop them but the Goblins in the godwars dungeon drop them. I have had 2 from them and a friend has had one.

Taafe 11:19, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Reward?

In the Knowledge Base it says you can turn the Ancient Effigies in to Historian Minas at Varrock Museum for a reward. Does anyone know what this reward is?

24.72.212.166 11:39, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

A 5k exp lamp that you can use on skills above 50. 96.251.32.115 05:46, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Aesthetics

For the "Monsters" section, should the monster names be capitalized as such "Aberrant Spectre" or should it be written "Aberrant spectre" with only the first part of the name being capitalized. Personally I believe capitalizing both looks more appealing but someone revised my edit so I'll just ask the community. [Composite 4] ^{(My Talk)}

I think it was changed because that is the actual name of the article. Otherwise it would cause a redirect.  Lil cloud 9 ^Talk 21:29, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

ftp or ptp

is it ftp and ptp or just ptp?174.29.151.61 22:19, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's for p2p only. User:BerserkHackr/Signature 22:21, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Monsters who drop

Is there a way we could sort it so you don't have to scroll hugely down the page to see the entire list, some sort of table to sort it, but make the lines transparent or something? I'm not too sure how people would like it to be done? TzTok-Gas ^talk 12:33, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

I think a list is acceptable, espcially since it is alphabetized, making it easy to find your monster.Nascarsux8 14:01, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

It would be usefull if the combat levels were also listed and we could sort by combat level to check what the lowest level monsters are to fight. --Madmarkx 18:42, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Is there a way to add it with a show/hide button, with hide as default? TzTok-Gas ^talk 22:06, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Exact Formula

I think i found the formula, feel free to resume (make it shorter) if possible =)

$x^3-x*(x-(100-x))/20$

Obviously rounded down.

AnonymousRJ 20:02, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Lootshare?

Quick question, could you get one of these on ls?75.140.241.125 22:52, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

It goes to the person who'd done the most damage, if dropped Badboygamer7 14:58, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

monster levels

I heard a rumour that you could only get these if the monster was of a higher level than you.... this backs up my experience as I haven't had a drop from about 800 creatures level 100-120 (I"m level 122.) Can anyone disprove this with a counter example? Armcie 15:54, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

My level 134 friend got one from a level 130 Desert Strykewyrm. Damnads 09:15, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

I am level 129 and got one (RC/Summ) from killing low level monsters. I have a question -- I have read that you can get multiple Effigies and store them in the bank and I know that they don't stack, but will you be able to have more than one of the same type at the same time? (i.e. if I save my RC/Summ effigy until I get the levels to complete it myself, am I precluding the chance that I will get another RC/Summ effigy in the mean time?)

-No. 188.220.35.172 20:01, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

--I really appreciate the reply, but I realized that I asked two different questions, making the "no" answer a bit ambiguous. To clarify, can I have two of the same type of effigy at the same time?

Could we get a drop log going for these somewhere as a direct result of slayer assignments seeriouslly I have put in 16 hours of cannoning slayer each day since the update came out & have only got 2 so far.

That's alot of time & cannonballs for virtually no results so far it's looking like D Chain from dust devils rare for me :(. Oh well I guess I got other drops but these arn't a very good way to train most skills just a nice boost every now & then.

Level 133 got Effigy from Gargoyle. This silly rumour is based on the stated truth that "higher level" monsters are more likely to drop an effigy, but this means "higher" than other possible effigy-dropping monsters, not "higher" than the player's level. 188.220.35.172 20:01, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

I got one today (11/4/11) - i am lvl 82 (m)/ 79 (non-m) and i got one from a lvl 75 ankou Lucas4222 22:21, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

I got one today (10/11/11) - Level - 70 member, I got one for a dwarf some how :P

Boosts

Maybe we should put an extra element with all the possible boosts. Could make it easier to complete for some people. Thojohn22 ^{Talk HS} 10:59, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

im lvl 132 and I got an effigy from a lvl 92 greater demon today Sir Danny 06:43, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

One line of the article says that stats boosts do not work with effigies, yet there is a table of boosts in another section. This information seem contradictory. ~~Malikue Aug 11

Bankable?

Is it? Composite 4

Yes, but they will not stack, and the lamp isn't bankable. Coelacanth0794 18:02, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Name: Effigies vs Effigy

Whilst it was in rs news as 'ancient effigies' it is listed in the game guide as 'ancient effigy'. Which of these can be considered the 'official name'? Is it specifically metioned in game?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Henneyj (talk).

A: Effigies is the plural of Effigy. Both are official.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 96.251.32.115 (talk).

Rare drop tables

The fact that hellhounds drop Effigies seems to disprove this but maybe the ancient effigies are part of the rare drop table? 65.89.42.202 17:40, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

What drops them

I am suggesting that this page be protected until the drops can be accurately reported.

Lots of edits and fighting over the drops. screen shots maybe?Branmans 15:42, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I put this on the other effigy page, which i got from someone's mod quotes, which seem legit, "They do not require any levels to get, and the assist system can be used if you do not have the required level in the two skills the effigy requires. Each stage of the effigy has two different skills which can be used before passing onto the next stage. The effigies are a rare drop, and are dropped by (presumably) most high levelled monsters. Receiving an effigy as a drop will show up on your adventure log and more than one can be held at one time." DMalfoy 16:13, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Flesh Crawlers

They are really drops the effigies? User:Chiro9

I'd like some proof on that aswell, as they seem rarther random when compared to the other monsters combat levels. Flesh crawlers arnt high levels. =S Super adm 16:52, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed, I have got quite a few from these in the past few days:

After killing a Flesh Crawler, it dropped an ancient effigy. (24-Jan-2011 20:26)

No limit?

So I assume that after you restore the starved effigy, you can then restore the next one immediately if you have the required level, and so on until you restore all of the effigies? Do you have to wait between restorations?  Tien  16:44, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Experience reward

the following was removed from the article, which is understandable since it may not be accurate, but i figured it might be useful for a reference in working out the xp reward. presumably talking about the dragonkin lamp

"At level 64, you get awarded 16,000xp. Also, at level 81, you will get awarded 26,320xp (can be proven on YouTube). At level 80, you get awarded 25,400xp."

Item rewards?

Does anyone have discovered yet if and what items come out of the effigies once they are fully nourished? 15 june 2010

I think that's what the dragonkin lamp in the article is, i'm not 100% sure.65.89.42.202 17:56, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Rare Drop Tables

The fact that hellhounds drop Effigies seems to disprove this but maybe the ancient effigies are part of the rare drop table? 65.89.42.202 17:40, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Assist

Since I have nowhere near the levels. If I find one, and use the assist system, who receives the experience? Can I use someone who is a 99 to fill it all the way up? Do they get all the experience and I the dragonkin lamp? Atlandy 18:20, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

You can only get 30,000 xp from any 1 person in 24 hours, so you couldnt. But who gets experience? If you havent got the level and you get assistance of someone then that person gets the experience but you will get the Dragonkin Lamp at the end of it. Hope this answers your questions.

Taafe 11:25, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

spritual mages?

It says al of Kuradal's tasks except for spiritual mages drop effigies, yet spiritual mages are on the list.  ???

Removed some useless information

I removed the (Dunge Castle) notation from after Daemonheim. The abbreviation of dungeoneering is not dunge, that makes no sense. If someone doesn' t know what Daemonheim is they won't know what "Dunge Castle" is anyhow.

EDIT: I also removed spiritual mages from the list of monsters that drop effigies. As stated in the paragraph above the list, spiritual mages do not drop effigies. 63.147.9.29 05:20, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Specialist clans?

Can we put clans that fall under a skill specialty. Like FFDN a rc clan is allowing rc effigies only? I think it would help direct people to a group of people who are willing to assist them. Just a suggestion 173.190.21.147 07:25, March 26, 2011 (UTC) O_o Willis

No, you can't name clans because of our policy on players and clans. Sentra246 07:26, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

The most efficient monsters for harvesting effigies

The supplied calculator doesn't help much as it doesn't include the time taken to kill a monster it only tells you what are your odds to get an effigy from a certain leveled monster. It would be nice if an efficiency table of best monsters to kill for effigies would be introduced that takes the time needed to kill the monster. a good example would be: killing level 124 Abyssal demons for 10 hours will get you more effigies than killing a level 580 Kree'arra for 10 hours. So lets assume a maxed player using best gear with overload and a cannon camps with certain monsters for 20 hours. A table of such monsters would be a nice addition to the article.

If you are looking to get a lot of effigies try Steel Dragons. You get an Effigy around every 1.5k Fire Waves so the cost is realitivley low (480k cost, you make around 200k so its 280k per Figgy). This doesn't really help your idea but I was hoping it might help you :) Roomescape1 22:25, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Can monster pages be edited to include drop rate?

I was just thinking about how all of the moster pages rate effigies as either "Rare", "Uncommon", or "Very rare"

Wouldn't it be nicer if there was an approx drop rate, similar to the table?

Ex: Black demon "Rare" - 1 in 316

If you're talking about doing this for all drops, you might want to start a thread on the Yew Grove for it. I'd imagine it would take a lot of work to get exact odds for the drop rate of all items though, if even possible. Ronan ^Talk 13:52, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

I would imagine it'd be possible to make a bot to go around to every monster who drops it and use the formula on this page rounded to the nearest whole number 65.95.22.242 22:42, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

And that would be truly wonderful, if it wasn't going completely against the one of the most fundamental rules of RuneScape. Ronan ^Talk 16:08, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I believe he meant on rune wiki, have a bot that goes to each monster page and use the table to supply a approx drop rate (kind of like the calculator on this very page). I think its a great idea but who has the know how to do it? I guess its also possible to be done manually. Roomescape1 22:02, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Dust devils

Since no one is responding on that article, I was hoping someone here would. Instead of entering an edit war (was reverted by someone the same day), I want to see if there is anyone is in favor of changing their effigy drop from "rare" to "very rare." According to this article, they are in the same level bracket as Aberrant Spectres (spectres being the higher level of the two) and I very rarely get effigies from spectres (as per the rarity stated on their article) and I've never gotten one from Dust Devils, despite their supposed "rare" drop of effigies.

Anyone in favor of switching Dust Devils to "very rare"? Dsctatom 22:53, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

I've had 2 from dusties so far, it's all based on combat level and they're about the same as spectres (like under 5 difference). 216.58.117.13 17:55, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Cave Crawlers

At the very bottom of the trivia, it mentions slaying them for effigies; someone mentioned on the Cave Crawler talk page that they no longer drop as well as they used to. Anyone who currently uses this method have any input? And if no one does use that method, it doesn't seem worth mentioning in the trivia. Dsctatom 04:30, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Where has the calculator gone?!

Where has the calculator gone?!  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 94.170.36.93 (talk) on 11:47, 7 September 2011 (UTC).

Removed here. Re-posting it here for reference until this is sorted out.

The drop rate for effigies has been estimated to be about $1\mbox{ in }11018254\times x^{-1.9469123}$ for monsters where $x$ is the combat level of the monster. This is a rough estimate.

Calculator

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 result    = chanceCalcResult
 param     = level|Monster combat level|1|int|1-1001
 param     = number|Number to kill|1|int|1-

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Result
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Estimation table

Monster Combat Level	Approx. Chance One in...
5 to 10	480042 to 124508
10 to 20	56541 to 32293
20 to 30	20914 to 14665
30 to 40	10862 to 8376
40 to 50	6659 to 5424
50 to 60	4505 to 3903
60 to 70	3254 to 2817
70 to 80	2463 to 2172
80 to 90	1930 to 1727
90 to 100	1554 to 1406
100 to 110	1279 to 1168
110 to 120	1200 to 950
120 to 130	911 to 844
130 to 140	784 to 730
140 to 150	682 to 638
150 to 160	599 to 563
160 to 170	530 to 500
170 to 180	473 to 448
180 to 190	424 to 403
190 to 200	383 to 396

 @Gaz#7521 16:20, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for posting the table again, I was just about to ask the same question, who was the fucking smartass that thought it was a good idea to remove it? -llVIU

That was this guy. You can see the comments he posted about it on my User Talk Page. Pesonally I disagree with the decision to remove it :\. Godel 04:53, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

They said something about not enough evidence, but really how can we be sure of any equation, it's approximate. I liked that equation, as I just made a bookmark/address bar shortcut for it to give it the cb level for the x part of 1 in x. eg. 625 (bandos) gives me 40 for 1 in 40. 216.58.117.13 00:47, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, they said something is better than nothing, but in reality: 1) people shouldn't make huge decisions based on this information, and 2) It's, as you said, AN ESTIMATE! Godel 04:53, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

In any case, since the page has been added back, I'm also going to put the link to the source back. Every little bit helps. We have things like "common, uncommon, rare, very rare" for drop rates. Those are just estimates too, should we remove them since they're not exact? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Godel 05:02, November 20, 2011 (UTC)