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Scamming/merchanting?

I think that selling the ancient mace for high prices (10K+) is indeed a scam and we should not be encouraging or mentioning it in our wiki. To sell it for that much would be implying that it's rare and/or powerful. I believe that you need to finish the quest in order to use the mace anyway, therefore anybody can buy it back for 1K. To me, merchanting is taking advantage of the economy by selling it for a bit more than it's worth in a time of need, and there seems to be a fine line. I would like to hear more opinions about this issue (I don't care what Total Rune or his sockpuppets have to say). Dtm142 01:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not a scam. Some people will pay higher prices in order to avoid doing the quest. It's like Crystal bows. Some people will pay 1m for them, to avoid going through the trouble of doing Roving Elves. --Mura 02:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Is the quest a requirement to wielding the mace? If not, then I guess it isn't a scam. However, if the quest is indeed a requirement then selling it is comparable to selling spinich rolls for 50K each. Jagex doesn't place any limitations on the economy, but it's still against the rules to be misleading. Dtm142 17:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure... someone should confirm that. --Mura 18:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I just gave mine to a random player who hadn't done the quest. He couldn't wield the mace because he hadn't done the quest. I think that it's now safe to say that it is indeed a scam and that the information should be removed from the guide. Dtm142 18:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Alright. --Mura 18:31, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Totally Disagree. Its not a scam unless jagex says it is. And i havent heard of them banning anyone for it. Its merchanting nothing else.Dark0805 20:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Firstly, Jagex does not publish a list of official scams. Players have to use their own judgement. Attempting to mislead a player by implying that an item is rare or valuable when it infact isn't, is a scam. Secondly, just because you haven't heard of anyone being banned for selling them doesn't mean that it hasn't happened or that it won't happen in the future. Jagex didn't ban lurers for the longest time, but now it's officially against the rules and is considered item scamming. Claiming or implying that an item is rare or valuable is considered a scam and has been considered scamming for a long time. This would be the case for this item. Dtm142 20:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Well by definition of a scam on Dark RuneScape Wiki "A scam is an unfair (usually deceptive) method to trick another player out of items and/or cash.". If it's unfair or deceptive then it's a scam. Dragon helmChiafriend12Granite body (old)I have 12 friends. 20:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
And this falls under that category. An item scam is officially defined as an attempt to cheat another player out of a trade. Dtm142 20:31, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Alright please no definitions by dark wiki... they need to be a valid and knowledgeable wiki before we listen to them. And Dtm your argument is good but there is a difference between selling these and switching rune items for iron! The person buying KNOWS what they are getting and are CHOOOSING to buy it.Dark0805 20:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I must disagree Dtm. The only time I had an Ancient Mace, which I got at a drop party, I sold for 100K because someone said "Chia i buy your ancient mace 100k". Dragon helmChiafriend12Granite body (old)I have 12 friends. 20:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
There are many different types of item scams. The RuneScape knowledge base has a partial list. And no, they obviously don't know what they are getting. They think that they're getting a rare, powerful, and/or valuable weapon. Not a near worthless one that anyone get for free from an easy quest that is required to actually use the mace. Dtm142 20:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Ready for a final word? The information needs to be removed from this page because it doesn't entirely pertain to the item. If it's a method that people can use to earn money, it should be in the Money Making Guide anyways, and the debate about it being scamming or not should be in that talk page rather than this one. Personally, I think that "merchanting" items for extremely high amounts compared to what they cost originally is scamming, but I'm not going to debate about it, I'm just not going to do it. But in all reality, I don't think the info should be on this particular page anyways. Firemaking TIRRIANGANT (TALK) 21:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

AND TIRRIAN COMES IN WITH A CRUSHING BODY BLOW TO BOTH SIDES!!! DING DING DING. Nice one tir and i totally agree. Someone add it to there and then someone else remove so we can argue again!Dark0805 01:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. I don't think that it belongs anywhere on the wiki, since fansites shouldn't encourage players to break the rules (we are a fansite from Jagex's perspective). But item articles shouldn't be about how players can profit from the item. The content should be debated in the Money making guide talk page, not here. I think that we can wrap this one up. Dtm142 01:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm still right!nah lol idc people who make money with this peice of junk are a shame to the game anyway.Dark0805 16:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering, is there any way to get the mace back if you lose it after finishing the quest ?

  • If not, the article is misleading (and in fact mislead me), and also then it's not a scam to sell it for high price since there is no other way to get it than buying it from a player once the quest is finished.
  • If yes, does anybody know how ? In Tegdak article they say Tegdak can only be found during the quest.

Patheticcockroach 21:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Look a bit closer. The Tegdak article says that he can be found during or after the quest. There's a map there too if you're having trouble finding him. Dtm142 02:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Hm, if you look at the date where I posted this, you'll notice that when I posted, there was no map on the Tegdak article... But thanks for the information, although I've stopped playing. Second-abyssal-whipPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody(Talk) 06:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

WGS

Have anybody tried to use the ancient mace special attack on the Tormented Demons during the WGS quest and see what happens? And, if not, could anybody try it please? I've done the quest and can't go back...--Quest point cape detail Brux Talk 22:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


Tactics

I've been using the ancient mace by switching on Incredible Reflexes and Ultimate Strength just before the spec is used and turning them off again afterward, since this makes it much more effective and takes like 1/4 of a prayer point if you're quick, and gets you a bunch of extra points since it'll hit more often and for higher. Is this the sort of information that is a good idea to put on the page, and if so, where? 121.127.206.234 21:31, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Do you have to do the Quest?

Do you have to do Another Slice of HAM to weild it, or just to buy it from an NPC? If the former, it should be mentioned in the article.~~Signed,Bulbear4444Slayer's respite~~ 02:22, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

You can't buy it from the NPC if you haven't done the quest I think. And the infobox says you need to have the done quest to equip it (so that's if you buy from another player). Second-abyssal-whipPatheticcockroachGuthan's platebody(Talk) 07:05, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Special vs Turoth and other monsters.

When fighting monsters that can't be damaged by conventional means (like kurasks and turoth), a Saradomin Godsword will miss but still heal and add prayer according to what it "would have" hit if I recall correctly. Does anyone know if the Ancient Mace special applies in the same way? HxC Ferret 04:51, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Just tested it myself and it's a resounding yes. Probably worth adding to the first section of the article. HxC Ferret 05:23, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Does ancient mace work in the bandos's room in the gwd? my friend almost died b/c it did not work when wiki said it did T_T

It does work to protect against bandos followers, but there are no ways to protect the generals and their bodyguards from attacking you, like the wiki stated MULTIPLE times. Your friend probably misread it. Quest point cape detail Brux Talk 02:50, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

While Guthix Sleeps

I brought this mace for the tormented demons part of WGS (you know, where all your stats are 255) and brought down the demon's shield with darklight before speccing with the ancient mace. I managed to hit over 700, but from 80 prayer points (my default level, restored before fighting them) I only increased to 118 points, 38 points of gain. It appears tha the cap is 38 based on this, which falls in line with the maxed gear. --Oniplayer 04:59, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Alchemy values and trivia..

This item cannot be alchemised, yet the alchemy values are shown...

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