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I support being able to buy gold as well. However, where's the end to this? The game was designed so that as long as you met a certain level of affluence in real life, you had access to all parts of the game (flat rate membership fee). I haven't been keeping track with current discussion on the ethics of such Bonds, but the fact is that those who have a larger disposable income in real life gain an (arguably) unfair advantage over those who don't have the same resources. Thus, this becomes an issue of ideology (capitalism, which is very clearly shown in modern society that not all have equal opportunity for success) that supercedes the controversy of an artificial economy! Achiox 15:20, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
  
I support being able to buy gold as well. However, where's the end to this? The game was designed so that as long as you met a certain level of affluence in real life, you had access to all parts of the game (flat rate membership fee). I haven't been keeping track with current discussion on the ethics of such Bonds, but the fact is that those who have a larger disposable income in real life gain an (arguably) unfair advantage over those who don't have the same resources. Thus, this becomes an issue of ideology (capitalism, which is very clearly shown in modern society that not all have equal opportunity for success) that supercedes the controversy of an artificial economy! Achiox 15:20, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
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: The beauty of bonds is that isn't just like buying gold from bots or even straight from Jagex. Whenever a person buys a bond to sell for gold, the person who buys the bond in game can receive membership, Runecoins, or spins without real world wealth. If you work out a decent in game money making strategy, you can actually pay for continuous membership with in game money. Before, buying gold hurt honest players. Now, bonds offer a legitimate way to benefit both those with real world money and those with only in game money. [[Special:Contributions/98.28.115.94|98.28.115.94]] 00:24, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
 
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:Nobody would buy a bond in order to donate anyway, that is not the point. The idea is that person X buys a bond, paying Jagex. Then person Y buys that bond from person X using ingame currency. Person X then donates that bond to the charity. This means that person X lost real money and gained ingame money, person Y lost ingame money, Jagex gained real money and the charity gained real money. {{Signatures/Tharkon}} 00:24, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
  
:Nobody would buy a bond in order to donate anyway, that is not the point. The idea is that person X buys a bond, paying Jagex. Then person Y buys that bond from person X using ingame currency. Person X then donates that bond to the charity. This means that person X lost real money and gained ingame money, person Y lost ingame money, Jagex gained real money and the charity gained real money. {{Signatures/Tharkon}} 00:24, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
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== RE: 'Controversy' ==
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So do we add the part about them being morons due to the fact that real-world trading is classified as someone OTHER than Jagex selling RuneScape items/gold? [[User:Sir Revan125|Sir Revan125]] ([[User talk:Sir Revan125|talk]]) 21:38, December 22, 2013 (UTC)
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:Real word trading is real word trading. Jagex is just allowed to do real world trading. They are also allowed to use bots and host games of chance. {{Signatures/Tharkon}} 03:24, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
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==loyalty points==
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The article is missing some info about the loyalty points. Does buying memebership through the use of bonds give loyalty points or not? [[Special:Contributions/65.78.114.251|65.78.114.251]] 04:16, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
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==Summer Membership ==
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*Q: What do you call the summer membership package when you buy it with these?
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*A: [[Summer Bonde]]! --{{Signatures/Scuzzy Beta}} 16:56, June 1, 2014 (UTC)
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==RuneFest 2014==
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http://i.imgur.com/mHAJX4y.png
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[[File:Redeeming a bond for 2014 RuneFest.png]]
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http://i.imgur.com/UPkZqjs.png
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--[[User:Jlun2|Jlun2]] ([[User talk:Jlun2|talk]]) 23:55, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
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==Pouch==
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Be nice to have an explanation of this non-intuitive device. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', <small>00:32 9 December 2014 (UTC)</small>.
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==real life gp/hr==
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Assuming min wage, for each of the currencies listed:
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{|class="wikitable"
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!Country
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!Min wage
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!Single Bond price
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!Gp/Hr
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|-
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|UK
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|Varies, see below
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|£3.59
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|Varies, see below
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|-
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|USA
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|$7.25
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|$5.99
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(7.25/5.99))}}
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|-
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|Canada
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|$11.60
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|$6.19
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(11.6/6.19))}}
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|-
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|Europe
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|Varies
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|€5.09
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|Varies
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|-
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|Australia
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|$17.29
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|$6.99
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(17.29/6.99))}}
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|-
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|Brazil
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|Varies, see below
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|R$11.99
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|Varies, see below
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|-
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|Mexico
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|$8.75
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|$68.99
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(8.75/68.99))}}
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|-
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|Malaysia
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|MYR4.33
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|MYR17.99
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(4.33/17.99))}}
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|}
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'''UK:'''
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Cost of 1 bond: £3.59
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{|class="wikitable"
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!"Tier"
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!Min wage
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!Bond/Hr
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!Gp/Hr
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|-
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|Apprentice
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|£3.30
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|{{fe|(3.30/3.59) round 2}}
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(3.30/3.59))}}
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|-
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|Under 18
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|£3.87
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|{{fe|(3.87/3.59) round 2}}
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(3.87/3.59))}}
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|-
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|18 to 20
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|£5.30
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|{{fe|(5.3/3.59) round 2}}
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(5.3/3.59))}}
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|-
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|21 to 24
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|£6.70
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|{{fe|(6.7/3.59) round 2}}
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(6.7/3.59))}}
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|-
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|25 and Up
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|£7.20
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|{{fe|(7.2/3.59) round 2}}
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(7.2/3.59))}}
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|}
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'''Brazil:'''
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Cost of 1 bond: R$11.99
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{|class="wikitable"
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!State
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!Min wage
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!Bond/Hr
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!Gp/Hr
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|-
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|Paraná
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|R$4.87
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|{{fe|(4.87/11.99) round 2}}
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(4.87/11.99))}}
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|-
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|Rio de Janeiro
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|R$4.34
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|{{fe|(4.34/11.99) round 2}}
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(4.34/11.99))}}
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|-
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|Rio Grande do Sul
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|R$4.58
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|{{fe|(4.58/11.99) round 2}}
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(4.58/11.99))}}
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|-
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|Santa Catarina
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|R$4.13
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|{{fe|(4.13/11.99) round 2}}
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(4.13/11.99))}}
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|-
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|São Paulo
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|R$4.11
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|{{fe|(4.11/11.99) round 2}}
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(4.11/11.99))}}
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|-
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|All other states
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|R$3.59
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|{{fe|(3.59/11.99) round 2}}
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|{{fe|floor({{GEP|Bond}}*(3.59/11.99))}}
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|}
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Sources:
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#https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
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#https://www.google.com/webhp#q=min+wage+in+usa
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#https://www.google.com/webhp#q=min+wage+in+canada
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#https://www.google.com/webhp#q=min+wage+in+australia
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#https://www.google.com/webhp#q=min+wage+in+mexico+hourly
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#https://www.google.com/webhp#q=min+wage+in+malaysia+hourly
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#http://thebrazilbusiness.com/article/minimum-wage-in-brazil
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--[[User:Jlun2|Jlun2]] ([[User talk:Jlun2|talk]]) 19:19, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
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:UK needs 3 lines, really. 18-20 (£5.30 an hour), 21-24 (£6.70/hr) and over 25 (£7.20/hr). {{Signatures/AnselaJonla}} 19:26, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
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:: Or maybe even 5: https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates {{Signatures/AnselaJonla}} 19:27, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
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::: Didn't Cameron make that "living wage" thing and made it higher (or will be higher) soon? {{Signatures/Ozuzanna|20:29, April 24, 2016 (UTC)}}
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:::: Looks like that's fer 25s and over (which is really age discrimination), so still 5 lines {{Signatures/Ciphrius Kane}} 20:37, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Yeah, that's the £7.20 rate I listed. {{Signatures/AnselaJonla}} 21:42, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
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Ok, changed both UK and Brazil into tables to take account into differences. Not sure how to handle Euro however. Thanks for the feedback! --[[User:Jlun2|Jlun2]] ([[User talk:Jlun2|talk]]) 01:06, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
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:By the countries of the Eurozone, would be my suggestion. {{Signatures/AnselaJonla}} 02:00, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
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==Minor question about well of goodwill donation==
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The article states that Jagex donated $4.70 to a charity for each bond donated to the well, which sounds right. The article also states that this is a dollar less than the current price. I seem to recall that the price of a bond was about $4.75 during the previous event. Is this just me? or does anyone else remember?
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-- 5512tyuiop, too lazy to log in [[Special:Contributions/73.136.37.21|73.136.37.21]] 00:31, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
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==Cost Analysis tables==
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Hi all! I'm very new to this Wiki and thought after making my first edit that I should post it in this Talk area.
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Basically what I did is removed 2 values in the first table with the list of countries, namely for Canada. I then created a separate table underneath the UK table and above the Brazil table, which includes all the minimum wages for each province/territory, as well as including my source. Thanks all and happy editing/Scaping!
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[[User:JTotman|JTotman]] ([[User talk:JTotman|talk]]) 09:08, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 09:09, 28 May 2018

This talk page is for discussing the Bond page.

Buying gp?

So now it's possible to directly buy gp officially? The bonds are bought with real money (£3) then traded in-game for gp (determined by the GE Price). Am I understanding this correctly? 04ismailjj6 (talk) 15:36, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, you buy a Bond with real money, then find a player in-game who wants to buy the Bond from you for coins. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 15:55, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
So how does this help combat inflation? The exchange rate is effectively 5M Gp for £1 and will probably increase. There are plenty of people willing to spend in excess of thousands of real pounds for in-game currency and tens of thousands more who will happily buy a few hundred pound to make a quick billion. They could easily pour more money into the game than the gold farming bots ever could. 04ismailjj6 (talk) 16:04, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
Never mind, I misunderstood. 04ismailjj6 (talk) 16:10, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

I see controversy brewing on the horizon if it hasn't already... Extreme133 (talk) 17:05, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Eh, EVE Online has virtually the same thing with their PLEX, and that game is just fine. I personally support the concept of buying gold - it's silly for me to farm gold when I can spend the same time doing work in the real world, make real money, and just buy far more gold that I could have earned in that time.  Why force players to spend unhealthy amounts of time in game just to enjoy the best content?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.121.9.44 (talk) on 09:41, September 26, 2013.

I support being able to buy gold as well. However, where's the end to this? The game was designed so that as long as you met a certain level of affluence in real life, you had access to all parts of the game (flat rate membership fee). I haven't been keeping track with current discussion on the ethics of such Bonds, but the fact is that those who have a larger disposable income in real life gain an (arguably) unfair advantage over those who don't have the same resources. Thus, this becomes an issue of ideology (capitalism, which is very clearly shown in modern society that not all have equal opportunity for success) that supercedes the controversy of an artificial economy! Achiox 15:20, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

The beauty of bonds is that isn't just like buying gold from bots or even straight from Jagex. Whenever a person buys a bond to sell for gold, the person who buys the bond in game can receive membership, Runecoins, or spins without real world wealth. If you work out a decent in game money making strategy, you can actually pay for continuous membership with in game money. Before, buying gold hurt honest players. Now, bonds offer a legitimate way to benefit both those with real world money and those with only in game money. 98.28.115.94 00:24, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Dollar

I've added a little part about Bonds actually being 33% more expensive. However I did the math with €, so I'm not 100% sure the $ price is correct. Could someone confirm/correct it for me? Rsshadow (talk) 17:06, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Removed

I removed the part about it being the first item that doesn't stack in the bank. Atleast the clover necklaces share this attribute and I'm pretty sure several other items do too. --EscapeTheApe (talk) 17:49, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

There are probably over a hundred items that don't stack in the bank. Any item with charges or any kind of information stored in it. My contributionsTHARKON 23:51, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

What is best price to choose when using bond?

So i just bought 1 bond in ge for 6.5m, witch is nothing compared to rewards u can get from that.... i dont care about 8 spins, but i want to know whats better to choose... 14 days of member or 160 runecoins ?

Its nice to see that we can finaly buy runecoins and membership with in game money, but that makes new problem... people can finaly buy rsgp with real money :) its not like they never could, but this is like buying drugs in real life legaly...

its kinda weird but i like it :)

so some simple math.... 200 runecoins is 400cents(4euros), so each runecoin is worth about 2 cents in euros... witch means 160 runecoins reward is worth 3.2 euros, afc if you want to buy your own bond from jagex its gonna cost 4.25euros, witch means u loose at least 1 euro like that...

can someone do the math on membership days reward ? :) --Quest point capexAsmir 18:56, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

The problem here is that prices of membership do not only vary based on how much of it you buy at once, but also do they vary by country and by payment method, even if those countries or methods share the same currency. I have no idea why Jagex discriminates this way but that's how it is, meaning there is no one true answer to your question. My contributionsTHARKON 23:55, September 25, 2013 (UTC)


Well I pay AUS $9.50 for a months membership and buying a bond is $6 for me. For an extra $3.50 I get the rest of the month membership, so buying a bond for membership is not worthwhile for me.. Ashyj (talk) 06:01, September 29, 2013 (UTC) 
Bonds are not meant to be used by the person buying them. My contributionsTHARKON 22:32, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Baby troll

Has anyone tried feeding a bond to the baby troll? 70.99.104.234 13:37, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, just did that. You cannot feed it to a troll; the troll doesn't even reject it on its own, you get a custom message. MolMan 13:45, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
What did the message say?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.38.203.73 (talk) on 16:46, September 26, 2013‎.
Sorry, I had someone else do it and never got the exact message down. MolMan 16:48, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
"Your baby troll refuses to eat it." and shows up as a dialogue box not just in the chat box. Sorry if this info is unneeded now. EngelNacht (talk) 10:02, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Refer a Friend

I asked several people in chat, and I got conflicting answers. Can anyone check to see if it works?
--Jlun2 (talk) 11:05, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

It's like a PLEX

Bonds are quite similar, in fact the same, as PLEX from EVE Online. More of the copycat game, but let's see if it'll work well in RuneScape. 108.86.141.211 11:41, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Bonds as an alternative way to buy membership?

What's the deal with this section? Where does the $0.35 per million convesion come from? It looks like that's about the rate used by illegal gold farming... The real rate should be tied to the price of bonds, the only legal way of exchanging real money for gold. In that case, this section doesn't really make sense at all, unless it compares prices of buying bonds for membership vs. buying membership directly in each currency/payment method.74.135.57.43 04:29, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, this section makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and, in my opinion, should be removed. The $0,35 per million conversion rate is indeed often used by illegal gold farmers, but even then the numbers are wrong. Apart from that, comparing different methods to get membership in RS currency using àny conversion rate is pointless, as membership costs real life currency using either way (bonds can only originally be acquired by spending real money), and there is no way to convert RS currency into real money.
The only comparison that could possibly be made is comparing the real life currency membership cost using bonds vs paying the monthly fee. As discussed above, bonds are not to be used by the buyer itself and are thus more expensive for getting membership.
Voting to remove this section asap for being confusing and pointless.
134.58.253.57 14:12, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
[EDIT] Removed it for aforementioned reasons. 87.66.139.38 18:57, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Why do we need to be charitable through runescape?

Don't people think its some-sort of scam? Since if one wish to donate, one can donate directly to those organisation... No need to donate through Runescape especailly when it is not the full amount donated (4.7USD instead of 5) per bond...

128.189.146.24 21:51, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Nobody would buy a bond in order to donate anyway, that is not the point. The idea is that person X buys a bond, paying Jagex. Then person Y buys that bond from person X using ingame currency. Person X then donates that bond to the charity. This means that person X lost real money and gained ingame money, person Y lost ingame money, Jagex gained real money and the charity gained real money. My contributionsTHARKON 00:24, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

RE: 'Controversy'

So do we add the part about them being morons due to the fact that real-world trading is classified as someone OTHER than Jagex selling RuneScape items/gold? Sir Revan125 (talk) 21:38, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

Real word trading is real word trading. Jagex is just allowed to do real world trading. They are also allowed to use bots and host games of chance. My contributionsTHARKON 03:24, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

loyalty points

The article is missing some info about the loyalty points. Does buying memebership through the use of bonds give loyalty points or not? 65.78.114.251 04:16, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Summer Membership

  • Q: What do you call the summer membership package when you buy it with these?
  • A: Summer Bonde! --latest?cb=20170911143617Scuzzy Betalatest?cb=20170911144529 16:56, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

RuneFest 2014

http://i.imgur.com/mHAJX4y.png Redeeming a bond for 2014 RuneFest http://i.imgur.com/UPkZqjs.png

--Jlun2 (talk) 23:55, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Pouch

Be nice to have an explanation of this non-intuitive device. Rich Farmbrough, 00:32 9 December 2014 (UTC).

real life gp/hr

Assuming min wage, for each of the currencies listed:

Country Min wage Single Bond price Gp/Hr
UK Varies, see below £3.59 Varies, see below
USA $7.25 $5.99 22,916,160
Canada $11.60 $6.19 35,481,176
Europe Varies €5.09 Varies
Australia $17.29 $6.99 46,832,624
Brazil Varies, see below R$11.99 Varies, see below
Mexico $8.75 $68.99 2,401,334
Malaysia MYR4.33 MYR17.99 4,557,087

UK: Cost of 1 bond: £3.59

"Tier" Min wage Bond/Hr Gp/Hr
Apprentice £3.30 0.92 17,404,043
Under 18 £3.87 1.08 20,410,196
18 to 20 £5.30 1.48 27,951,949
21 to 24 £6.70 1.87 35,335,482
25 and Up £7.20 2.01 37,972,459

Brazil: Cost of 1 bond: R$11.99

State Min wage Bond/Hr Gp/Hr
Paraná R$4.87 0.41 7,690,249
Rio de Janeiro R$4.34 0.36 6,853,323
Rio Grande do Sul R$4.58 0.38 7,232,308
Santa Catarina R$4.13 0.34 6,521,710
São Paulo R$4.11 0.34 6,490,128
All other states R$3.59 0.3 5,668,993


Sources:

  1. https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates
  2. https://www.google.com/webhp#q=min+wage+in+usa
  3. https://www.google.com/webhp#q=min+wage+in+canada
  4. https://www.google.com/webhp#q=min+wage+in+australia
  5. https://www.google.com/webhp#q=min+wage+in+mexico+hourly
  6. https://www.google.com/webhp#q=min+wage+in+malaysia+hourly
  7. http://thebrazilbusiness.com/article/minimum-wage-in-brazil

--Jlun2 (talk) 19:19, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

UK needs 3 lines, really. 18-20 (£5.30 an hour), 21-24 (£6.70/hr) and over 25 (£7.20/hr). Small recharge gem AnselaJonla Slayer-icon 19:26, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
Or maybe even 5: https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates Small recharge gem AnselaJonla Slayer-icon 19:27, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
Didn't Cameron make that "living wage" thing and made it higher (or will be higher) soon? – Ozank Cx 20:29, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
Looks like that's fer 25s and over (which is really age discrimination), so still 5 lines Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 20:37, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, that's the £7.20 rate I listed. Small recharge gem AnselaJonla Slayer-icon 21:42, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, changed both UK and Brazil into tables to take account into differences. Not sure how to handle Euro however. Thanks for the feedback! --Jlun2 (talk) 01:06, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

By the countries of the Eurozone, would be my suggestion. Small recharge gem AnselaJonla Slayer-icon 02:00, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Minor question about well of goodwill donation

The article states that Jagex donated $4.70 to a charity for each bond donated to the well, which sounds right. The article also states that this is a dollar less than the current price. I seem to recall that the price of a bond was about $4.75 during the previous event. Is this just me? or does anyone else remember?

-- 5512tyuiop, too lazy to log in 73.136.37.21 00:31, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

Cost Analysis tables

Hi all! I'm very new to this Wiki and thought after making my first edit that I should post it in this Talk area.

Basically what I did is removed 2 values in the first table with the list of countries, namely for Canada. I then created a separate table underneath the UK table and above the Brazil table, which includes all the minimum wages for each province/territory, as well as including my source. Thanks all and happy editing/Scaping!

( ) JTotman (talk) 09:08, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

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