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I know what it looks like

Well, in a YouTube video, theres a tutorial on how to download a certain program that lets you look at every single model in RuneScape, including chatheads, textures, walls/grounds, 3d items, etc. Heres the tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKQsJTwdiXY&feature=channel_page and here's the same channels video showing it along with a few models INCLUDING THE D PICKAXE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vHvgv7PLCw&feature=channel_page I've downloaded the program, just yesterday... and I found alot of things. Including THE SOUL ALTAR, THE SOUL STAFF, THE SOUL TAB (soul rune in a tab), MUSIC SKILLCAPE, THE DRAGONPICKAXE, AND MUCH MORE. It's like, uber hawt, so would anyone like me to post pictures in their respective future objects/etc. articles? Cuz I really think people would enjoy seeing pictures of upcoming things :P --Lil diriz 77 03:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


Btw, the program has over like.. 56000 models. So you know it's not fake :O it's really, really hawt.--Lil diriz 77 04:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, no. Not only would that ruin the surprise, you COULD be lying. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 04:03, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Aww =[ But... want me to show you anyway? I won't make you download the whole thing, it's perfectly safe, but takes a while, soo I could take some screenshots and show you ^_^ --Lil diriz 77 04:07, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
No thanks. I've started a Yew Grove discussion about actually revealing such "info", however. You can find it here. Sorry if I sounded mean, but I'm tired... 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 04:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Ik you're not trying to sound mean but... how come Soul tiara and Soul talisman both have revealed/leaked info on them? ;] They found those through URL Manipulation, I found mine through looking through Jagex's files. Lol, thanks to someone who must've.. idk, how the hell would they take all those files from jagex, then put them in a downloadable file? O_o --Lil diriz 77 04:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Please do upload some pictures of these items using Photobucket. It would be very interesting to see them. ~ Fire Surge icon Sentry Telos Talk  04:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
MWAHAH, yes , >=] My photobucket account is dirizz, i'll post the picture's links in a few minutes here. so just wait up :P--Lil diriz 77 04:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Here you go ;] : an album full of uber hawt finds :

http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/dirizz/RS%20Model%20Viewer%20finds/ --Lil diriz 77 05:25, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, looks like it's all very nicely photoshopped... I guess not the Dragon pickaxe is released we can assume the others are fake too... 19:24, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
Comment removed because it was though of rude from the owner 11:43, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
restored comment per RS:DDD. Weird gloop @Gaz#7521 17:08, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Ikbenbeter, for at least trying. User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 18:05, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
I find you hilarious. Photoshopped? ROFL. Have you ever thought that maybe that was just a PROTOTYPE and that the image I provided was OLD? That it was THEIR FIRST IDEA OF WHAT A DRAGON PICKAXE MIGHT LOOK LIKE? HMM? Did you even look to see that my post was TWO GOD DAMN MONTHS AGO AND THAT WE HAD A WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT here? I'd appreciate it if you don't accuse me of photoshopping my images, you truly have no idea who I am, or where I got these images from. NOW, maybe if you had some common sense and asked me where I got them from, you wouldn't have thought this. I'm a regular editor here, I'm not some kind of spammer/scammer advertising his models of a fake dragon pickaxe. I don't even have Photoshop tbh -.-. Get over it, this conversation has been over for two months. That image I found was a prototype. Get over it. --User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 21:04, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
What i can understand from the video you are making contact with the RS servers to download all the images. If that is the case you are violating the RS terms and agreements. Your IP might get banned if they find out. It is highly illegal to interact with RS servers in any other way than with a webbrowser. People have gotten perm IP banned for it. -- Ruderion (Talk) Farming cape (t) 12:07, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
Oh my god. Do you people know how to read? Ruderion, I wasn't even talking to you, and you have NO IDEA how the program works. The files are already stored on your computer the first time you play the game. When you first click the "play now" button, a folder is specifically added to your computer. What the program the video shows (and the one I used) TAKES the files, and it converts them into a format that is READABLE. So really, all I'm doing is reading the files that Jagex put on my computer. THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN OVER FOR TWO MONTHS, PLEASE READ Forum:Reveal leaked info? ACCUSING ME OF DOING SOME ILLEGAL WHATNOT. Unless you've read that WHOLE PAGE, you know nothing about what I was talking about, and I see no point for you to reply to me again. Seriously. This section of the Talk:Dragon pickaxe article has been closed for two months. Stop posting here, the conversation is over. It's simple. --User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 17:36, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and in reply to Ikbenbeter, again, before I said that the image I showed everyone two months ago was a prototype of the one we have today. Well, as more proof, and a chance to show that you were completely wrong and that you need to stop assuming things, CLICK HERE!! EITHER THAT OR JUST SCROLL DOWN THE PAGE 5 SECTIONS! Thank you. "Congratulations! You have just achieved Level 99 in the Proved-Wrong skill!" User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 17:47, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations. Now stop shouting and rubbing it in peoples faces. It's immature as heck, and unnessacery to the community. Zaros symbolChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250 18:28, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. It's just that this gets me annoyed, very annoyed, how people keep bothering me about something that happened two months ago. I shouldn't be accused of something I didn't do, especially with no proof. How does Ikbenbeter know I photoshopped it? No proof? Wrong. How does Ruderion know so much about the program that it's illegal? No proof. Wrong! I'd rather not be posting here at all right now. If I could put a big "CONVERSATION IS CLOSED" sign over this section, I would. It just angers me how people randomly come up with these things 'cause it might not be real. Just because I didn't get the picture from Runescape.com, or from some kind of easter egg in game, does it mean it's illegal or photoshopped? No. I wish people would just leave me alone about it. --User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 18:46, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
-Sigh-, again, sorry. Even in my last post I was heated, which is not cool. I feel like I have to keep coming back to this page just to check and see if Chaos Monk replied, or maybe Ikbenbeter. I hope this post ends that. I still have a point though, this discussion has been and is over. Sorry for the anger. The end. *curtain falls, nice music plays, credits roll* User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 21:39, September 21, 2009 (UTC)
*blooper reel starts* kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar 04:55, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
*blooper reel gets scratchy and fails, turns off*
*everyone tackles Psycho for a horrible presentation*
*Diriz lol's.*
^ ^ User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 06:01, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry for being angry, too. I just hate hackers/fakers, and I thought you were one. 0_0 Won't you be angry at me anymore? I'll give you a pizza ;).

How it will affect Mining and the Inferno Adze

Hey guys, if a Dragon pickaxe is released and has a skill requirement of 61 Mining (most likely), what will happen with the Inferno Adze? I mean, it will still have a requirement of 41 or players below 61 Mining will fill the forums with complaints?--THIS IS SPARTAARGH! 00:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

A good point. It is my opinion (or rather hope) that Jagex will either automatically increase the level requirement and speed of the adze (to those of the dragon pick), or have a new miniquest to upgrade the adze (possibly with an added ability when mining, similar to the firemaking ability - 5% chance of automatically smelting a bar from any ore with a very high smithing requirement (90+) maybe?). Or of course they might do nothing. Though if it is improved I would think not having a miniquest would degrade the dragon pickaxe's value. Weird gloop @Gaz#7521 20:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
In that case, the best option would be to put a hard miniquest with All Fired Up as a requirement. The Smithing requirement is good, considering the fact that maybe not everyone can just go and get an Inferno Adze. If it has really hard requirements, the Dragon pick's value may stay high. Compare it to the Dragon Hatchet. Since the release of the Inferno Adze, its value has lowered? I think not, because if we resume the total requirements for the Inferno Adze, and compare them to those of the Dragon Hatchet, the Dragon Hatchet is much more of a "low level" item than the Inferno Adze, but it's still very expensive and hard to get other than the Grand Exchange.--THIS IS SPARTAARGH! 21:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Any info on dragon pickaxe spec effect yet? 71.195.60.187 12:15, September 9, 2009 (UTC) Some dude on RSOF said it looked like barrelchest anchor spec and used 100% but he doesn't know what it does. JaydenB 12:45, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

drop

Is it THAT simple to get? Just an unncommon/rare drop from a under level 120 monster? seems like I could get it in the next few weeks then... *removes void melee outfit from the bank and removes dust from the set* Quest point cape detail Brux Talk 16:37, September 9, 2009 (UTC)


yea, its that easy. ya just gotta outhit godswords, steel titans, cannons, and all other high lvled gear. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.174.233.41 (talk).

...what? oh, and don't forget to sign every message in talk pages with ~~~~. Quest point cape detail Brux Talk 21:50, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Bruxa, he means that there are TONS of people at the Dwogre area, and you have to beat people with all the stuff he said just to get a drop. Did that make sense? O_o Mr. Zurkon 01:25, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I only saw that area later, and I thought that as this quest was new and stuff, there were few people there, but I forgot people can do new quests extremely quickly, even more as this quest has barely any item required... Quest point cape detail Brux Talk 04:12, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Special Attack name

Does anyone knows? --Nup(T) 04:41, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

60M??

It says that the street price was 60M+ when released, but it hasnt even reached 5m and there is a trade limit so it cant be 60M

bad_fetustalk 13:06, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

People use "junk" in trades. For example "You can buy my dragon pick axe for 4m but you must also buy my 55m needles too" --Gold ore Mercifull UK serv (Talk) 13:22, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

2 dragon pickaxes?

the 1 in the game guide under special attack is not the 1 thats gotten as drops or that players are selling for 200m.

I just cobbled together a screenshot of it here:
Dragon-pickaxe-special-attack
kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar 19:38, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

It's...the one Dirizz had a picture of. Prototype indeed. Riblet15 05:31, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

I... TOLD YOU! Thank you Riblet :) That dude up there^ thought I photoshopped it -.- wow. --User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 17:39, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
Hehe, and just for laughs, to show anyone reading this section what the "prototype" I suspected was (and for the people who weren't reading the conversation two months ago >_>), here it is: DragonPickaxe.png

Big smile Told ya? User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 18:17, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Omg It looks the same think JaGeX stole it? Lol Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 18:30, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
Amgz0rz eye tInk d4t jUBBlex leik st0le mai imajez. I r sooing u jubblex. (Wink) User:Lil diriz 77/Signatures 18:46, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Chaos Dwarf Cannoneers DO drop the Dragon Pickaxe.

It is confirmed. I got one myself earlier today. Happy :D

I also have one on my log atm incase anybody would like confirmation, Xaxa is the RSN!

Resemblance?

I was wondering what was wrong with this paragraph?

There are some similarities between the pick and Riku's Keyblade in Kingdom Hearts II, most noticeably the top of the shaft of the pick corresponding with the design of the blade, with the head of the pick in place of the wing.

I thought this was a pretty valid point, yet it seems to have been removed... Follow the link embeded in the 'Keyblade' to check out the resemblance... Gr33nday345 15:34, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Personally I think the resemblance is close enough to note, however in the defence of whoever deleted it, we at the wiki typically never document when an item looks like another item from a different universe, unless the similarity is extremely obvious enough to the point of it being a cultural reference, like the Idol of many heads. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar 19:23, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
K, cheers for explaining :P Gr33nday345 19:24, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
Yes there is a resemblance but i don't think it has a place in this article. The design of the pick is surely meant to emulate the similar design on the halberd which came out in 2004 (a year before KH2). --Gold ore Mercifull UK serv (Talk) 19:28, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Chaos Dwarves DO drop the Dragon Pickaxe.

I got one today and so did my mate from Chaos Dwarfs'. It even states that they drop them in the Runescape KB. ~Vlady

Can you link the page where it says so? Also, this is extraordinarily unlikely, so we'd need an independent confirmation of this. The Knowledge Base has been wrong from time to time. Jagex makes mistakes all the time. For instance, the Knowledge Base, for years, said that the Magic Longbow special attack had a 100% chance of dealing damage, however this was not the case at all. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar 17:38, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
The famed dragon pickaxe can also be found by killing chaos dwarves here. It will only be obtained by the most patient and persistent of chaos dwarf fighters, but it is worth it: the dragon pickaxe has a potent special attack and is the highest level pickaxe currently in the game.
I found it for you. Maybe its a 'true extremely rare' drop from them (on par with Dragon chain form dusties, or dragon spear from skeletons, or something like that). Weird gloop @Gaz#7521 18:23, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
Is it any chaos dwarves, like the ones in the wildy or in the Taverly dungeon, or is it only the ones in that battlefield? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar 18:37, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
I would assume its only the battlefield ones, but I really don't know. Weird gloop @Gaz#7521 18:50, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
Well, it does say here, as in there. I think it's onlt there, and I've been told by a number it's only there. Zaros symbolChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250 18:52, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

If anyone still need a confirmation on Chaos Dwarves dropping the pick the proof is in 'Lil Old Gry' Adventurers Log at the moment --Gryzaczek 12:11, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Essence mining

"Players have done tests to determine the speed of the pickaxe as compared to a Rune pickaxe, and they have found that when using the Dragon pickaxe, they get approximately 10% more Pure essence in a set amount of time as compared to the amount of essence mined in the same amount of time using a Rune pickaxe." I have a hard time believing this, as essence mining appears to reach a speed cap once you get a rune pickaxe, similar to iron. This was unsourced as well, so I have deleted it. --troacctid 01:54, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Well yes it reaches a cap once you get a rune pickaxe, but it seems natural that the cap would increase as your quality of pickaxe does... I didn't add this and I haven't done any tests with the pick, but it sounds reasonable to me. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar 02:03, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

The speed increase is true, I've compared it over the past 3 weeks.

Droprate

Estimations show droprates from Dwogres to be approximately 1/1000 and Chaos dwarf hand cannoneer to be approximately 1/2500. However I am curious about a more accurate number. 20:34, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

They are educated estimations.... I don't think we can come up with an accurate number precisely, but I still think they are relevant in that they give people some idea of how rare it actually is and are therefore beneficial to keep unless someone has a more accurate number to state. Herblore cape (t) Born2bwild04 Divine spirit shield 17:46, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Dragon Pickaxe vs. Rune Pickaxe

A study using both dragon pickaxe and rune pickaxe was done within the Living Rock Caverns on concentrated gold rocks. On average the dragon pickaxe was able to mine a pack of gold 15 seconds faster than a rune pickaxe. Keep in mind this study was done using a mining level of 88 without a mining boost of any kind.

Dragon Pickaxe Statistics:

Average: 90.27 seconds/pack

Standard Deviation: 15.72 seconds/pack

Sample Size: 48 packs

Fastest Time: 64 seconds

Slowest Time: 137 seconds

Rune Pickaxe Statistics:

Average: 105.93 seconds/pack

Standard Deviation: 17.07 seconds/pack

Sample Size: 30 packs

Fastest Time: 73 seconds

Slowest Time: 143 seconds

Two Sample T-Test

Let U1 = Average speed of rune pickaxe. Let U2 = Average speed of dragon pickaxe.

Ho: U1=U2

Ha: U1>U2

The assumptions are met. The p-value is 7.399 x10^-5

At the 0.0073% Significance level, we reject the null hypothesis and favour the alternative that the average speed of dragon pickaxe is greater than that of the rune pickaxe. Thus meaning that the average speed of dragon pickaxe is significantly faster than the average speed of the rune pickaxe. Therefore if you are planning on leveling your mining skill you should use the dragon pickaxe to decrease time.


The above was listed in the article itself. It is not, however, encyclopedic content. Someone else is welcome to add a section to the article explaining that testing has shown the dragon pick to be the fastest in terms of ores mined per hour. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 16:44, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

RoW does affect Dragon pickaxe drop

I just got a dragon pickaxe drop while wearing my ring of wealth, when it dropped it did the "your ring of wealth shines more brightly!" phrase. So since I don't see anything here on the page or talk page and I have always wondered if the wealth affects the drop I have to assume other people were wondering to. That being said I'll add the relevant info to the article. I know that this doesn't mean a lot as for "evidence" but my name is Aliena Ferox and if you check my a log now (and in the next few days) as the info will disappear as I do more RS activities you'll see the dragon pick drop in my adventures log. Also the null glitch is going on right now so it will say "After killing a chaos dwarf cannoneer it dropped "null" but that's only said when it drops the d pick, so that's definitely it. 75.72.212.243 10:49, April 11, 2011 (UTC)Aliena Ferox

Dropping NPCs

While on pickaxe's page it'll only mention chaos dwogres and chaos dwarf hand cannoneers as the droppers, in chaos dwarf's page, it be showing pixkace as drop, aswel? Makes wodner, is this so, or what?..

It does, I should have checked the talk page before editing it. Look a few posts above Blasty Talk

WEALTH DOES NOT WORK

I got a d pick drop and my wealth DID NOT SHINE.


Ring of wealth DOES NOT AFFECT THE CHANCES OF GETTING A DRAGON PICKAXE DROP

-loe151

Sorry, didn't catch that. Can you make you text more capitalised? Full slayer helmet Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon platebody 00:08, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
I guess I overdid it a bit. :P Just making sure it's seen so people don't change it back. Whoever claimed it shined either was lying or not paying attention, or it shone from something else (like if he killed two monsters at once).
-Loe151
Jagex confirmed it should not affect d pick drops several times. The ring sometimes shines more brightly but you get no drop. It may shine more brightly when you get 3 extra gp, and you might get a d pick int he same drop, so this is not evidence of anything.

Wonderous wealth

[[File:Trade_offer1a.jpg|thumb]]Found rather fascinating images in Contolrs - Trade page in RS KB. Compare da change of wealth when d pic is taken off.. 125K. Wonderous?[[File:Trade_changed1a.jpg|thumb]]  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bothix (talk) on 07:42, June 18, 2011.

Sorry, I had to delete the images. Per RS:NOT#HOST we can't upload images not used in articles. ɳex undique 12:53, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Research - Comparison to Rune Pickaxe at Level 99

This data is thanks to User:The HypnoToad / Atom Smash40

A test of 20 full inventory trips resulted in an average time of 1:29.7 for the dragon pickaxe and 1:32.0 with the rune pickaxe. This is a reduction of only 2.5%, lower than a 5% level of significance. Therefore no significant difference can be concluded from this testing. This is not in keepeing with suggested speed difference at lower levels. Full data can be seen here: [1]
--Henneyj 00:06, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Base Chance

I noticed in the new game guide that the picks have a bonus base chance listed. The dragon pickaxe is listed at +12% base chance, with a rune pickaxe at +10%. I figure this information would be important to put on all pickaxe pages.

Thunder9092 06:28, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

How much of a difference does it make compared to Rune?

How much of a difference does it make when mining with a Dragon Pickaxe vs a Rune Pickaxe? At level 75 lets say. Also, does the speed make you mine Divine Rocks faster too? Puretppc (talk) 03:52, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I can't remember the exact number, but I think it was in the range of 5–15%, I'll ask around tomorrow when I'm back on if anyone remembers. Also, I don't think it does affect divine locations. It might though, that would be interesting to test. I'm leaning towards not likely because your daily limit already prevents you from mining as much as you want, and the locations are not a competitive activity. MolMan 04:09, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
The Divine Locations question part was because Divine Runite lasts very short so it may most likely not fill up fast. Also, thanks in advance for the numbers :) Puretppc (talk) 04:21, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
To my knowledge, it shouldn 't affect divine locations. When those were released, Jagex said that divine locations were like resource spots where you simply do not have a chance to 'fail' an action; so resources should be received as fast as possible, regardless of tool used. That said, it would be interesting to test none the less. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:27, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

How to remove Dragon Pickaxe from Toolbelt

1) Good luck on encountering the Lava Flow creature that will Gild it for you.

2) Take the Gilded Dragon Pickaxe to Thurgo. It will require 4 fragments, which can be hunted off of Lava Geysers. Also, bring 1m. He will turn it into an Imcando Pickaxe.

3) Get 4000 Harmonic Dusts.

4) Talk to Lady Ithell to upgrade it into a Crystal Pickaxe.

5) Talk to her again to revert it into a Dragon Pickaxe. Puretppc (talk) 04:14, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

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