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Quest

Do I need 69 strength to do this quest? or can i use a super strength pot? ( lYladness )

UPDATE

They updated the handcannon, its now slower then XBOW :(

^ It has been this speed since release....

Special Attack

This has a special attack, I'm trying to find the max hit for the gun atm--Panama 1984 17:06, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

I've heard from several sources it can hit into the 50s--Quest point hood Bigm2793Talk Quest point cape 18:09, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
I've hit 37 with spec and 41 without, so I'm guessing I'll be able to hit more if I try harder :P--Panama 1984 22:41, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
Also, the special takes about twice as long as a normal attack and kind of glitches. Not sure yet what it does--Panama 1984 22:57, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
ive (gabe is mon) have a seen a 534 speced on me with hand cannon. was in bounty hunter and i was in full bandos(very high range bonus gear) and it hit me very good.--gabe is mon 09:32, july 28, 2010 (est.)

Need more pictures.

Title says it all, a picture of someone wielding a hand cannon would be perfect though! Swiz Talk Review Me 18:11, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Took a picture with mine ^_^--Panama 1984 22:19, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Special Attack

Hand cannon Aimed Shot Greatly improves the chance of hitting an opponent. This requires longer to aim and there is a greater chance that the hand cannon will explode and be destroyed.

Could an experienced editor add this to the article, as it's confirmed on the Runescape Knowledge base, and is somewhat vital information. 89.243.38.91 16:10, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Reload animation

I'm pretty sure the bone crossbow has a slight reloading animation, it's quick, but it's there if you look. May want to specify that it's the first weapon that you can SEE being reloaded :P207.45.186.106 20:04, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia

Heya, the hand cannon was a real life weapon according to wikipedia, can we add this to the trivia section? --FarmingFarmer JackNewspaper 02:22, September 12, 2009 (UTC)


Blow ups

When it destroys itself, does it inflict damage to the player? That could be an item worthy of some documentation... --Dionisio 01:46, September 15, 2009 (UTC) yes it does do damage ive had atleast 10 blow up on me and they all did i think around 12 damage on me when it exploded i think it also hurts the person youre fighting also

Explosion rate

Has anybody attempted to find out how much your Firemaking level affects the explosion rate. Just a small tip for anybody that wants to start out experimenting, the explosion rate has to be spread across 39 levels. Not much to start with, but I might try it sometime, seeing as I already have 99 Firmaking. --EdTehMan 03:18, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Had two explode so far: One on the 3rd shot I fired, and the 2nd 487 shots in, 80 Firemaking. Neither was a speical attack. --89.241.149.237 14:36, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds pretty random. I think its almost impossible to find out the explosion rates :S Thanks for trying aswell, Ill get fm 80 :)

Explosion Rate

I have 99 Firemaking and i have been using the Hand Cannon ever since it came out. In total, I have used over 30,000 hand cannon shots and it hasn't exploaded yet. About half of those shots being Increased Aim(The Special attack)

I have had about 500 shots at 71 firemaking without an explosion. My friend has 80 firemaking and his first cannon exploded between 1k and 2k shots. They might have decreased the explosion rate of hand cannons in a recent patch, because it looks like it used to explode a lot more. That or we're just lucky. EDIT: I guess I was just lucky. That first cannon lasted to 700 shots and the second cannon exploded on it's first shot. Getting Firemaking into the 90s soon. 75.52.120.138 15:49, November 11, 2009 (UTC)


whenever you use the special attack, it gives a 20% higher explosion rate


Well. I just got the cannon and at 61 firemaking ( the lowest you can have ) I used two cannons.

The first cannon exploded at 52 shots, and the second one at 85 shots. The first one was during the special attack, and the second one was just a normal explosion. It seems using the hand cannon at 61 firemaking is a terrible idea.

Mine exploded after 101 shots and I'm lvl 80 fm. Disk of returning Malcolm33 Disk of returning 21:31, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Just had two cannons explode within 100 shots. I am 80 fm and had to make early trips at tds >:( Mrwes95 15:04, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hand Cannon Overall Information

Quote from the runescape knowledge base

Hand Cannon (Members Only)

Those who have completed Forgiveness of a Chaos Dwarf will be able to enter the Chaos Dwarf Battlefield, to the south-west of Keldagrim, and try their hand at some multi-way combat. One of the enemies here, the chaos dwarf hand cannoneer, drops an innovative new weapon that you may want to try: the hand cannon.

The hand cannon is a powerful two-handed weapon with a high maximum hit value, balanced by its reasonably long reload times. The hand cannon fires hand cannon shot, stackable ammo that is placed in the quiver slot. The shot can also be obtained from chaos dwarf hand cannoneers.

Requirments 75 Ranged 61 Firemaking Bonuses +90 Ranged Attack Bonus +150 Ranged Strength (Hand Cannon Shots)

WARNING! - The hand cannon has a chance of exploding on use, thanks to the combustible nature of its shot, which will destroy it and remove it from your inventory. There is a greater chance of this occuring if you use the hand cannon's special attack, 'Aimed Shot'. The higher your Firemaking level, the lower the chance that your hand cannon will explode.

Max Hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUATQYwJtTQ

the max hit documented isn't 67, as the article stated, it's 56, with 99 range, Void Knight armour and Ranging potion. It's unaffected by Salve, Slayer Helm, and Void cannot be used in castle wars, therefore the 67 is unlikely. The only increase I could consider likely is using Extreme potions in a POH combat ring, to max. 78.146.65.177 20:22, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

i have done calculations and i believe the max hit to be 60. unless if have made a mistake somewhere. anyway. whatever the godsword can hit without spec the cannon should be able hit a tiny bit higher. due to the range strength

Well I'm 99 ranged with void, and have fired well over 4,000 shots, and time and time again the max is only 56, I've also checked a few range max hit calculators that include ranged strength, and it comes out as 56. 78.146.65.177 20:22, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

The reason you can hit higher with Godsword is because not only can you get armor that gives str bonus (no ranged armor gives ranged str bonus), but piety gives a better strengh bonus than eagle eye and super attack pots give better strength than range pots give range. I don't know if anyone has made a video with 99 range, void, eagle eye, and the new extreme ranging potion. That would be TRUELY show the max hit. 75.52.120.138 14:27, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Max hit if a Hand Cannon on rapid style at 122 range + void + rigour is 623. The reason I know it was max is because I hit an orange hitsplat. I'm sure I was 122 range cause I checked right after the hit. Consider accurate style to hit a bit higher.

price :

the G.E. price of the hand cannon at the moment is 50,500gp (16th april 2012)

Max hit beats that of a godsword?

Im sorry, but it is so easy to hit more than 56 with a godsword, yet the article states it can only hit 3-4 less than 56... needs fixing

Max Hit Doesn't Beat Godsword

I think it is meant that without the special attack.

Godsword hits with 99 strength and a godsword with maxed strength gear. I think would hit around 75's

I'm sure it can hit over 56 now, has anyone tried it with extreme ranging potions, salve amulet or anything like that? I've seen a 56 in PvP (no castlewar's bracelet or anything like that) so it can surely hit higher.

Yeah it can, I've hit a 470 with no pots, void armour and leech ranged (+10%) on rapid meaning that the max hit calculators are if anything a bit low (say a theoretical max of 466) so with Rigour, void knight armour, an extreme ranged pot, the max should be about 630 roughly on accurate, based on the slightly low estimate of 600 with the only change being eagle eye instead of rigour.


If it's generaly agreed to be around 60...why does the article say it's been documented to hit 821? I'd LOVE to see that.70.145.58.12 00:55, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


the new dungeneering prayer increases damage and accuracy by 25%, rigour can really help to hit higher, ive hit 51 with 92 ranged, void and ranged pot and eagle eye.

i belive that void ranged + ranged cape + rigour + ranged cape + 99 ranged can hit 61s

I beleive your an idiot, ranging cape only increases your range level by 1 and it doesn't stack with other boosts, making it useless since a ranging or extreme ranging potion has a much better effect.

The 821 could have been on a slayer task with focus sight?

I have hit 570s with hand cannon in void with regular range pot and rigour.

no cause void gives a larger boost than focus sight.. focus sight is only 15% boost

^and void is only 10%.

^Void is 20%. It's stated as 10%, but I can definitely hit higher with void than with a focus sight.

Ramrod picture

I see no mention of a ramrod anywhere on the article. Why, then, is it shown as a picture? 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 17:42, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

That bit of trivia was removed a long time ago, readded. (: User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature 17:56, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Lava Titan

Does anyone know if the lava titan's invisible Firemaking boost reduces the chance of the cannon exploding?  Tien  16:46, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Post EOC

Can anyone confirm whether the hand cannon still blows up post-EOC? There's a statement to this effect at the start of the article but nothing further to confirm or deny - the statement itself is still ambiguous in its surety either way. Any info? 92.21.41.227 04:12, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Ava section?

Would someone be so kind as to add a note about Ava ammo saving and such, in either this article or the cannon shot article? I didn't see mention in the Ava's article either but didn't look at that one closely. Friend said it doesn't save ammo but not going to update article on his second-hand info. Much thanks!  (Oh, also - if it doesn't save ammo, is it better to wear skillcape then?) 141.0.9.77 05:51, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

None of the Ava's devices will save you ammo for the Hand cannon. The effect you/your friend might be noticing is that using abilities does not use ammo altogether. The best Ava'd device has better range critical bonus than a skill cape, so it may still be preferrable. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 06:46, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

EoC effect.

Explosion After EoC

I am pretty sure about that, the cannon has 0 chance to blow up. i have been using my cannon for like 2 months now in various slayer tasks, and even at the tormented demons, where i use momentum, so it uses auto attacks. Still nothing happened, i am at 80 fm right now. I Must have fired about 4k shots just with momentum only.

Pierre  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pierrehun (talk) on 17:30, February 8, 2014 (UTC).

Explosions

So, does this explode or not? I'm getting conflicting info here. :o --Jlun2 (talk) 18:01, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

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