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New Quest

A new quest about mahjarrat is coming out tommorrow according to mod emilee( this can be found under future events ->no game update today sticky)" Hi guys,

Unfortunately, due to some last minute issues, there will not be a game update today. However, we do plan to rectify these issues so that we can update as soon as possible tomorrow.

Please accept our apologies and we hope that you won't have to wait much longer for the next installment of the Mahjarrat quest series. ;)

In order to get a better insight in to how we organise game updates, we suggest that you read our Upload Manager's (Mod Nexus) blog which can be found here. " XXstaticXX 03:15, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

General Khazard?

The entry listing Gen. Khazard as a Mahjarrat needs more detail. I thought he was just a human who was resurrected after he was killed? Sol Levante 12:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Other Mahjarrat

Zamorak is a mahjarrat, and i spoke with a jagex mod who says it is likely that Saradomin came from the planet of the Mahjarrats, there are also other possible mahjarrats. is Iban also count as mahjarrat? Since he probably is the son of Zamorak.Felinoel 00:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Iban's status as "Son of Zamorak" is either the result of his delusions or only used in the metaphorical sense. I'm certain that he is not literally Zamorak's son. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar 02:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

External Links

"Postbag from the Hedge Issue 9 - letter "Colonel Thormen reporting to General Azzanadra" refers to Mahjarrat as a race" I am confused, who didn't know that Mahjarrat was a race? Felinoel 01:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Many people think them gods. Kang227 15:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thammaron

Thammaron is not a Mahjarrat as:

  • There is no mention of him being a Mahjarrat anywhere.
  • He's an ELDER-DEMON (not interchangeable with Mahjarrat).
  • He's dead:
Mahjarrat are (technically) immortal and
You can clearly see his corpse during the Golem quest.

Just clarifying Chaoticar 09:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


Mahjarrat are not immortal. At least, not ALL of them are. They are very, very, very...resilient.

Kang227 14:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Mahjarrat are mortal.

This is clearly stated in Postbag from the Hedge issue 20, aswell as Sliske being a Mahjarrat. Another interesting thing to point out is that Saradomin is probably from Freneskae aswell, but that doesn't make him a Mahjarrat, at all.

Yeah, but the only currently known way to kill a Mahjarrat is the Ritual. Otherwise, they can be resurrected. --Muhahaa 19:18, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

good stuff

I would love to see a quest rich in rs history, which incorporates these guys, the barrows brothers and maybe some other major figures, perhaps resulting in a more powerful spellbook, i always wanted to know what happened to some of these guys after desert treasure. Green partyhat Bob2006ty(RUNESTORM333)  talk Green partyhat 12:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


You got your wish! (In a freakishly accurate way...) The (relatively) new quest, The Temple at Senntisten, focuses on the Majharrat, includes the Barrows Bros., as well as a major figure, unlocks the ancient curses prayerbook, and can be considered a sequel to Desert Treasure. =P Abyssal whip (blue)xzezerxTalk HSDark bow (blue) 19:12, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

New Runescape poll

The new Runescape poll asks a question about who are Mahjarrat, and apparently Zamorak isn't one of them. Is that an error on Jagex's part or the Wiki's? Iner22 18:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Either Jagex's part, or how they chose to interpret the question. Zamorak was indeed a mortal Mahjarrat at one point in time, but he is now a god. Whether or not he is still a Mahjarrat is completely up to you. Dtm142 21:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Mahjarrat is a species, god is a rank. Becoming a god doesn't remove the species. --Muhahaa 19:13, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Red mahjarrat???

I just saw a guy sitting in the audience. He looks like a mahjarrat, only red?

File:Rode_mahjarrat.PNG

--Darth Stefan 12:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)Darth Stefan

He's probably just human... >< 87.80.83.70

The three guys in the audience seem to be human representatives of the three main gods - Saradomin, Guthix and Zamorak. Most Mahjarrat seem to have a skeletal (or "lich") form (see File:Lucien (skeletal) chathead.png and File:Lucien (skeletal).png). Weird gloop @Gaz#7521 19:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Skulls

Zemouregal and Lucien both have skull(ish) faces. Are they masks or their actual faces? ~ Fire Surge icon Sentry Telos Talk  23:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

My guess is that they used to have humanoid forms (not necessarily true human, like Akthanakos has a camal's head), but have since used spells to bind their intellect to their undead body (especially Lucien as he's a necromancer). Also known as a Lich. Also, I can't help but look at the robed lucien and think of a nazgul (from Lord of the Rings), lol. Weird gloop @Gaz#7521 23:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Most Powerful Mahjarrat

Hey just wanted to know who you think is the most powerful Mahjjarat 00:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

If you read the runescape history you would know it is zamorak because he was the general to zaros, even though some called him the pretender. Almost each mahjarrat has a unique skill that she/he excels in.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Veangeranger (talk).

Other generals to Zaros were also Mahjarrat (e.g. Azzandra). In my opinion it's Lucien (after While Guthix Sleeps); he's one of the most powerful mahjarrat anyway (he's healed himself from near death, maybe a few times). During/After WGS he has possession of two of the most powerful artifacts in Gielinor: the Staff of Armadyl (which banished Zaros and made Zamorak a god (by a fluke IMO, but whatever)), and the Stone of Jas (Which was used by Jas to create Gielinor, by Guthix to shape Gielinor, and also by Saradomin at some point). Hence, he has uber power. Plus he killed Hazelmere =( Weird gloop @Gaz#7521 15:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I will kill him because he killed Hazelmere and Duradel. 19 March 2009

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I don't think Hazelmere is dead, did you notice he seemed to 'die' in a different way to all the others, I think he is alive within the spirit tree networrk, the ardi guatma or something..

Found on the Forums

This was copied from the forums. Here, is the page. The post is the fourth down.

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"Yksrekna ecapsed eth oidv? Eh saw a rtega mharrtjaa how eddraken eth kises ithw obldo."

But this is just a really bizzare answer, unless we consider that each word is actually part of a word-to-word anagram which can be solved by readjusting the letters to form words to complete a sentence. But what of "Yksrekna"? Are we to assume that is the true name of the Mahjarrat in question? If the anagram word-to-word was to be followed through we'd get a number in possibilities. However, if you look at other possible crytographs you'll find the following word "Syrekkan", which is directly an anagram of Yksrekna. So therefore:

"Syrekkan escaped the void? He was a great mahjarrat who darkened the skies with blood."

was a Lord of the Wolves and Lycanthropes in ancient Norse mythology, meaning the Wolf in Azzanadra's prison could be representative of his presence. Considering he is in Azzanadra's prison, it is liekyl he was or is a follower of Zaros.

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Not sure if that was appropriate info for here, but it seemed like it could be noted. =| SilverStike/ExoMalakai

it's not true. vanagew just plays an idiot. Try to change the message of Ce, it was different amount of letters, so not an anagram. When asked about decoding algorythm, he said nothing. Also, he recalls it being Nakkenrys from mithology. No results on Google... So, probably false... The same thread recalls Ug-nok, Devuorer of Worlds. strange name for a mahjarrat... Na*kenrys reversed that is "Syrekkan", isn't it strange once You reverse it, one n disappears=p? Kiel66 10:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Amascut

Is Amascut a mahjarrat? --88.112.228.89 15:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

No, she's one of the desert gods.-- 15:26, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
indeed shes the desert god of distruction, but she wears the marks of the ancient Mahjarrat. So she's related to a Mahjarrat. Vannaka and the oracle (dragon slayer quest) also wear these marks, there is a discusion around is these are related to a mahjarrat or these are mahjarrat in own person.

Individual Chracter Pages??

Why are all the character pages of the lesser known mahjarrat being re-directed here? Do they not deserve their own character pages? We have character pages on every white knight, but dont redirect them to the white knight organisation page, and there are character pages on every gnome involved in the Gnome restaurant minigame, most of which only have one paragraph of information, yet the primary antagonists on Gielinor do not deserve character pages? Gr33nday345 20:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Psycho Robot redirected them, as he states here (and also in the edit histories...). You could ask him why and/or open a YG thread/VfU (even though they were technically not deleted) about it. Weird gloop @Gaz#7521 20:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
The only reason I redirected any here was because they were exact duplicates of what information was already on here. However that was before Curse of Arrav came out, and now there's more information available, so they could be moved back to their old pages should any editor want to do so. Just make sure you don't simply copy/paste the summaries here into the new articles and leave it at that. Expand a bit! kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar 21:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Iban and Lucien's daughter - crystal ball

Iban is confirmed to be Zamorak's son in God Letters. Being half blood (i.e. human mother, mahjarrat father) can be a reason for the exclusion of both Lucien's daughter and Zamorak's son from Zemouregal's notes. There is no mention that a half blood mahjarrat can't join Kinshra.

According to the RS:NOT#CRYSTAL rule both should be removed from the article.

If nobody responds to this message, I'll remove Lucien's daughter from the article or readd Iban. --Muhahaa 20:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Please post the issue number and a quote of the relevant text, as the only mention of Iban I remember doesn't seem to indicate that he was a biological son.-- 20:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I still say "My daughter is more of a hero than you" is nothing more than an expression... Concerndout kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar 20:46, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
[1], [2]. Basically, the mahjarratness of Lucien's daughter is as speculative as Iban's. According to Zemouregal's notes they can't be full blooded mahjarrats, otherwise they would be on the list (and Enakhra wouldn't be the only female mahjarrat). Halfbloodedness is possible but speculative. Both should be included or both should be removed. For Lucien's daughter., I think Betty is the best candidate. She wears Pendant of Lucien. --Muhahaa 09:16, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Iban is Zamorak's son quotes

Letter 15

"Dear Zamorak,

You've got a kid named Iban. Who's your wife?"

-Katjandra

"I'm not married. If you're asking who his mother is, I can't remember. The ladies love Zamorak, and its kind of hard to keep track of them all sometimes."

Letter 23

"2. Is Iban really your son? Or is he some lunatic that thinks he is your son?" -Jamesco(Zamorak WINE STEALER) "2) Either. Both. Does it really matter where the blood came from, as long as it is still mine in thought and deed?" --Muhahaa 11:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Number one, God letters are from years ago. Jagex has since changed their minds about a number of things. For example, originally Dragon equipment was said to originate from Freneskae. Jukat, the fairy who sold the Dragon longsword and Dragon dagger after Lost City said they came "straight from Freneskae", however now Jagex has abandoned that idea and are going with the Dragonkin as the creator of Dragon equipment. Jagex might have considered making Iban his literal son, however abandoned the idea because it really is quite a strange thing to have...
Second, Zamorak is an arrogant blowhard. He would likely rub his powerful son in everyone's face if he really were his son. Additionally, he never actually says that Iban even is his son. In the first quote you provided, he says "who his mother is". He doesn't say that he is the father. He wasn't even asked if he was. Someone just blurted "You've got a kid" at him. One would assume that he would deny it if it were not true, but again, Zamorak is fiendish and would likely never voluntarily give out information.
In the second quote he equivocates his answer. As I said previously he's an arrogant blowhard, and if a powerful kid such as Iban really were his son, he would announce it to the world, not dodge the question like a wimp. As such, I think Iban is NOT Zamorak's literal son, but Zamorak kind of wishes he was, so he answers the question in a very ambiguous manner. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar 16:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
OK, Lucien's daughter removed for RS:NOT#CRYSTAL. --Muhahaa 10:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
And moved under Lucien, where it more properly belongs. (As I have said before, inclusion of Lucien's daugher is as speculative as Iban's). --Muhahaa 10:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Iban's mother (figuratively) is Kardia.
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This is in response to psycho robot's post. I would like to point out that there may be a very good reason for Zamorak to be dodging the question of whether or not Iban really is his son. I'm not saying that Iban is actually his son, as Enakhra actually confirms that he's not in one of the Postbags, but you seem to be using Zamorak's arragance to prove a point. However, in the Edicts of Guthix, I believe he forbade any of the gods (that he knew about...coughZaroscough) from interfering with human (or humanoid or whatever) life on Gielinor. I'm thinking that Zamorak having a half-human kid might violate this just a bit, so he probably wouldn't be particularly eager to advertise it to the world. Just a thought. Not saying that Guthix reads or cares about Zamorak's God Letters, but it's still a valid point. WolfsQuill 04:42, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Nomad

If I read the page right, it said that Bilrach is actually Nomad. Can someone confirm this? --Darth Stefan (Talk) 19:59, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

  • No he isn't; Bilrach has been in Daemonheim for the past few centuries according to his chronicle (released with the Dungeoneering skill).

Lich Formes

Says on the page that Enakhra and Akthannakos have yet to be seen in lich form. I clearly remember them changing to this forme at the end of the quest. View their pages, they even have screenshots of this.

You're right. O.O --Iiii I I I 02:35, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

WTF? Lucien's Daughter...Enakhra?

Um...Someone seems to have made a strange update to the Mahjarrat page in the form of stating that Enakhra may possibly be this mythical "Lucien's daughter". I see many things wrong with this, number one being that I don't believe Lucien even has a daughter. I think he was just trying to make a point when he said the quote that started this whole shebang. Secondly, and more importantly, Zemouregal is Lucien's cousin. What kind of uncle says, "Hey, you wanna ensure the survival of our race and procreate with me?" Yeah, sounds kinda odd, doesn't it? So I don't know who decided she could be Lucien's daughter, but they obviously hadn't really thought things through. Or they didn't really know their facts. So unless anyone gives me a valid reason not to, I think I'll be taking that off the Mahjarrat page. --WolfsQuill 04:54, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


maybe for the mahjarrat having childern with close relatives is prefectly normal  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.222.167.98 (talk) on 11:00, December 18, 2011 (UTC).


What's more important, the continued existence of your species, or avoiding incest? In fact, it might not even be that bad, Zemouregal and Lucien are cousins, not brothers. The reason humans are against incest is largely influenced by human religion and more recently studies of human genetics, neither of these would affect Mahjarrat. Promissory noteTHARKON 15:22, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

powerful mahjarrat

I think the most 5 powerful mahjarrat are Lucien, bilrach(nomad), azzaranda, sliske and zamorak (although zamorak killed zaros by accedent)

Zamorak's not a majharrat anymore...he's a god. So yeah, he probably USED to be a powerful majharrat.

You think nomad is bilrach? Interesting, but not impossible. --Xzezerx

I don't think Zaros was killed "by accident"... Also, why Sliske? We don't know much about him.
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I would say that Lucien is not the most powerful Mahjarrat. Though he appears immensely powerful in While Guthix Sleeps, this is because he has the Staff of Armadyl, a God-weapon. The same staff which turned Zamorak into a god when he killed Zaros (which totally wasn't by accident by the way). Everyone seems to think Lucien is either average for Mahjarrat standards (Zemouregal in his notes (k-z)) or a weakling who couldn't lift a sword (Viggora in the Ghostly Robes miniquest). It has also been said that Zamorak "got lucky" when he killed Zaros, so maybe he's not all that powerful after all. 15:43, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
The most powerful Majarrat? Lucien--sure, he has the Staff of Armadyl and Stone of Jas, but he's lived for a very long time, seems to have a mastery of the dead close to Zemouregal's (assault on Varrock--early 5th age), has a good amount of power over demons, has some followers, and seems to be very tricky and cunning.
Azzanadra is another good canidate. He is so feared that they needed to lock him in a prison rather than kill him. It mentions that the only reason they could lock him up was because he was exhausted from eliminating an entire Zamorakian army. He is obviously Zaros's favorite, even before the 2nd Age wars.
Sliske, although little is known about him, is also a very good canidate. He seems to be very, very cunning. He managed to enslave the Barrow's brothers and keep the icon hidden from Zamorak's most faithful followers. He also managed to trick some druids into freeing Nex from Nex's prison, and is able to be a Zarosian Mahjarrat and remain in hiding.
Zemouregal is certainly up there as well. He is generally considered a front runner, and one of the most vocal of all of them. He has multiple times assaulted Varrock, and only lost because faced with a legendary relic. But he probably isn't on the levels with the others.
Finally, Zamorak is up there. I'm speaking of before the 2nd Age events that allowed his ascent to godhood. He was one of Zaros's most powerful, and a general. He was above just about every Mahjarrat in Zaros's armies, and had huge amounts of followers. Even if he became god by a fluke, he still managed to destroy Zaros's empire.
Nomad is definitely NOT Bilrach. Bilrach is confirmed to be in Daemonheim. Nomad got his powers by sucking souls, which seem to be very, very powerful (Avatars, Nomad, Spirit/Corporeal Beast all got powers by consuming souls.) Also, even the weakest Mahjarrat (not counting Khazard--he's worthless) seem to be considerably stronger than the average human. While Nomad is more powerful then many Mahjarrat--(Hazeel, Khazard, Jhallan), the added power from souls would make him far stronger than to be defeated by a player if he was a Mahjarrat in the first place.
Murtagh4 21:35, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Some Mahjarrat face-painting

Hey, any of you guys read this: http://runescape.salmoneus.net/mahjarrats.html

it may have a point that some of the Mahjarrat have face-paintings, some Karamjans too. But at the same time a lot of Mahjarrat also have skulls as faces (the faceless ones is even their nick name). Interesting? But now?

  • Only one of the Mahjarrat has a painted face, actually. I think the Karamjans thing is probably a complete coincidence. Anyway, that's not why I'm replying to this. I'm replying to this because I went to that link, and whoever wrote it had absolutely no idea what they were talking about. They seemed to think it was fact that Saradomin, Agrith-Naar, and the Oracle were Mahjarrat (Excuse me?), and the rest of the article sounded uneducated and unresearched. It was like they'd never done any of the quests or visited this wonderful wiki. So I'm inclined to disbelieve anything else on there, I'm afraid. WolfsQuill 00:01, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


  • Saradomin? THE ORACLE? Where in the world did that info come from... What sky was it pulled out of? <.<
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  • Well, I think the Oracle thing came from the fact that she and Hazeel have similar facial markings. Very much a stretch, obviously. And honestly, I've got no idea where the Saradomin theory came from. WolfsQuill 01:40, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
  • Ah, well, as the above person said, so do tribesman. (:
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  • There's a reason we set the golden standard for fansites, and not Sal. Summoning-icon Zack Buster Small obelisk (POH) 07:00, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
  • Haha, a good point. WolfsQuill 14:47, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
  • My dear friend, if Saradomin and Agrith-Naar are Mahjarrat, then Zamorak is an ogre! Trust me I used to use that site, it is really outdated.
But your original question was why do some Mahjarrat have face paintings and some have no faces, only skulls.
Well, I think these are the reasons:
  1. The Mahjarrat are shapeshifters. I think I read and confirmed this somewhere on this wiki, i'll get back to you when i remember.
  2. The Mahjarrat gain their incredibly long lifespan by peforming a ritual every few millenia, wherein one of their number are sacrficed. The others absorb energy released from the unfortunate Mahjarrat and use it to sustain themselves till the next ritual. Now as time wears on that energy depletes, and so their body starts to degrade, just on the outside, they do not lose their strength or abilities. So the ones who absorbed more energy than the others get their faces kept intact for longer!
Personally, i believe the first theory is truer, but let me know what you think. Thanks, Charlegme 07:58, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
  • Yes, I have realised its out-datedness too... and since I've been 'studying RS' a bit more now, I must say, I also don't think it's based on ANYTHING at all... Too bad... would've been nice tho... an extra view or a more difficult, divine plot(?) But I think the face-paintings are the effect of with the DevBlogger said a few days ago. They started with the Mahjarrat (sorry, dyslectic & difficult tribe/race-name) very early, and many additions were added, not always lining up, some were later changed to fit the story-line too... I think that's where the face-painings come in. Purely not super well planned. Understandable. They leaked some pictures for the new Mahjarrat quest, about the ritual, where they all seem to get similar facial features. Maybe that will make everything smooth.
One more thing: yes, they are highly skilled magicians, they don't even need runes, they can basically shapeshift in many things... but some are more eager to do that than others. Yours faithfully, Leon Art 14:26, June 30, 2011 (UTC).
  • Of course, I completely forgot that it could simply be because of bad planning and errors by Jagex. Charlegme 15:41, June 30, 2011 (UTC).
  • lol, yes :P they said it themselves, I'll see if I can find a real reference (tomorrow). Leon Art 16:53, June 30, 2011 (UTC).
  • Found it: http://services.runescape.com/m=devblog/view_post.ws?post_id=123 "Development of the Mahjarrat, by Paul 24-Jun-2011": eventhough it's interesting, I'm not gonna quote it here, it's jsut to much.
  • Lol i must have read that devblog about a million times i was searching for info on Zaros (he is the god i follow) and hoped that i might find some there, but i must have bookmarked about twenty sites and i completely forgot about it. thanks for posting it here tho
  • Charlegme 05:36, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Table of Mahjarrat godly loyalty?

I was hoping we could make a table to make clear who of the Mahjarrat are Zarosian (and why) and who are Zamorakian (and why) (and perhaps who is neither). Is this the place for that? Do we have all that knowlegde? . . . Yours, Void Knight banner Enquidou Talk Quest Icon Crest . . 14:07, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

We don't have knowledge of all allegiances but we do have most.
Bilrach, Enakhra, Hazeel, Khazard, Lamistard, Lucien, Palkeera, Zamorak and Zemouregal were on one side.
Akthanatos, Azzanadra, Jhallan, Sliske and Wahisietel on the other.
Kharsai remained neutral.
Mizzarch and Ralvash's allegiances are unknown, although Ralvash's page mentions a Zamorakian allegiance, but refers to Zemouregal's notes which don't mention it. Promissory noteTHARKON 04:20, September 26, 2011 (UTC)


I m proud of my self i gave u that idea with the end text

goodgril999 10:39, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Was that a missplacced-post? :P . . . Yours, Void Knight banner Enquidou Talk Quest Icon Crest . . 13:04, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yuuzhan Vong?

The Mahjarrat look very similar to Star Wars' Yuuzhan Vong. 99.120.154.125 20:20, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Not really. Yuuzhan Vong are mutated, Mahjarrat just look different... Believe it or not, it's just me... 20:32, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
To me they do look similar, well, their older versions at least. . . . Yours, Void Knight banner Enquidou Talk Quest Icon Crest . . 20:41, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
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