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Picture: nice art, but not Seren

...Ok...while the picture is an AMAZING work of graphic art...it's definitely not from runescape. Keep or don't keep?  Gangsterls  _talk01:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it is from RuneScape. I remember it. Keep. Ilyas Talk Contribs01:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Fo real?! Wow...lol I'm stupid...didn't think runescape had that kind of graphics...but then again I still need to do regicide... Gangsterls  _talk01:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It is. It's from Postbag from the Hedge #5, "Chaotic chat, family trouble and secrets revealled!". Someone asked what Seren looked like and they posted that picture as part of the response. Avian Maid ^Talk 01:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok I knew it couldn't have been in-game...cool pic though!  Gangsterls  _talk01:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and btw. It is a picture of Seren, so it should be kept, I say. It is from JAGeX, after all. Avian Maid ^Talk 01:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think everyone would agree. Discount this.  Gangsterls  _talk01:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

This reminded me of Saren from Mass Effect 1 IRanOverTheEasterBunny 07:45, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Her alliance & Edics of Guthix questions?

In simple terms, is she good or bad? =p

I know some elves are definitely bad, but they seem to be following "Lord Zamorak", where as the good elves are undoubtely loyal to Seren. So I think something should be written in a nuetral point of veiw showing the evidence of her possible behavior.--Kodeman76 01:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It would, frankly, be silly to talk in terms of good and bad about a god's/goddess' allignment/alliance. It's normative. An allignment/alliance is to be 'made' godo or bad by observers, let's say for mortals to decide. A follower of Zamorak would see him as good, and would probably condescendingly joke and acknowlegde that Saradominists would find them evil. So an allignment/alliance would be more like a profession, what you do with it makes it good or bad, just like in the real world: there is no objective morality. I think that would most likely describe it to the fullest. Her allignment/alliance is the Anima Mundi, soul of the world (?). So, honestly I dont really know why Guthix would have banend her from Gielinor. Guthix cried when he saw (t)his world broken up by the God wars, and since Seren has at least a similar affinity for 'nature'/(t)his world... it would not seem she would be a risk for balance. She could even be seen as an entity to help the balance. So did she leave out of free will and political correctness? Or did Guthix ban her too, out of a form of political (theological) correctness? She sealed the Great Libary, so did Guthix gave her some time to do this, dit he gave the others the same opportunity... I heard Guthix met wiht the Elves in the beginning of Gielinor, was Seren a friend or favourite? . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . .

I did hear an excellent analogy for how Seren relates to the Edicts the other day. As you may be aware, Seren is bound by the Edicts and therefore cannot have any direct influence with the elves, or any other races on Gielenor. However, Seren is said to be the divine aspect of the anima mundi, the life force of Guthix - or something like that. Imagine Guthix to be the body of a human, or the brain perhaps. The brain controls the body and deals with any issues that might arise. Seren would be the soul of the body. No one really knows what a soul is for, but you wouldn;t want to lose it, would you? She is the spirtual part of the Anima Mundi or the part that continues after it's death. I was quite impressed with how simple it sounds put like that Edmyg 20:54, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds nice, but the elves said that Guthix and Seren spoke together, and told them about other inhabitants (humans) of Gielinor. In Meeting/Making history you can see an elf mentioning something like this. I think it's meant to be more... poetic. Like the spirit trees and other animals are effected by the experiments with the... Anima mundi. but idk . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 08:46, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

That's not strictly true. The elf in question said Guthix told them about humans, referring to the ones in Meetng History, but no mention of Seren was made. There is evidence of the elves having awareness of other gods aside from Seren, such as the Zaros symbol on Glarial's grave, but to go as far as saying the gods conversed is pushing it. Edmyg 13:01, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Female

i think we should inculde somewhere in there that seren is the only goddess outside of the Menaphite Pantheon

That might indeed be intersting info, if u ask me. . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 13:41, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Seren Godsword

I've deleted the part about the Seren Godsword Hilt again as some people seem to think it's "proof". Just for the record, the reason it will never exist is because Seren did not participate in the God Wars, with the Elves being pretty much in isolation during the 3rd Age. If anyone has any further questions, leave them here and I'll try and keep an eye on the page and answer them Edmyg 20:48, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well... the Elves were like Switzerland only protecting their borders... So I've heard. And that's why they/she did not actively persue a Godsword. . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 08:46, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the only source suggesting the Elves participated in the God Wars is through Funorb, which does tend to mess around with lore. Elven lore is by far the most contradictory, but I'd go by the lore established in-game rather than out-game, if you understand me. Edmyg 12:58, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah.. they really need to fix up the lores/rewrite them. That makes the game much more fun... a porper story line if u ask me. But it has to make a little non-contradictory sense :( I thought I read all those things in lores ones. But I can be wrong. And that's why we should use reverences :$ . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 18:36, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Seren banished?

Are there any evidence that seren got banished? She is the most of her kind that bring balance,so why guthix banish her?maybe she left the world herself for some reason.

Seren not banished from Gielnor

Reading the FAQ for "The World Wakes", I believe there is some heavy implications of Seren's whereabouts and the now-confirmed fact that she was not banished from Gielnor and is therefore most likely the aspect of nature. 

This quote is given the the response by a Jagex Mod:

"Where the heck was Seren, and all of the other Gods while the world was waking? 

Mod Osborne: The other gods will not hesitate in making a return. Some gods have a longer way to come, are less prepared, or simply do not want to return, but you can guarantee that some familiar faces will follow Saradomin. As for Seren, she has been here on Gielinor all along - so, no need to make a 'return'!"

Further reading for reference: http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?15,16,710,64444133

If anyone wants to add this information then great. I'm horrible at editing. 77.98.106.215 22:15, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

So Seren's ben here all along and is apparently present in the crystal, what if the crystal seed inside priffdinas is Seren herself? She's gone into a slumber thing similar to Guhtix's and in the process gathered all the crystal she used to make the city back into herself ?

This is obviously just speculation but I kinda like the idea. Thoughts?  04ismailjj6 (talk) 13:24, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Clearly that's wrong. The new lore from the tribute of guthix event implies that seren is also hidden away like guthix, possibly in the same place but more likely in her own underground fortress thingy. Also the world of crystal with immortal philosphers mentioned in the guthixian memories might be serens homeworld perhaps, but maybe nots Thoughts?04ismailjj6 (talk) 18:10, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe, but Seren is still in Gielinor, she never left, maybe the crystal "city" in Gielinor, the oen the elves protect might be where Seren is, or She is in a Human like form. Until quests shows about her, more can be revealed.Kinglink15 (talk) 19:48, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I remember reading that: she never left. . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 08:51, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

It has been said in a podcast and her god book that Seren shattered herself into the crystal seeds that made up the elven city, as well as in the crystal weapons. It has also been theorised by many of the elves that she can be put back together if all the crystal she shattered into was brought back together. Green Mage48 (talk) 03:50, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

So we can calculate the price a Goddess is worth, if we figure out how many pieces we need. Parts of her are traded on the Grand Exchange after all :P . IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:25, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Alignment

I understand she is related to the Anima Mundi but does she really need to be Alignment to that? I am not having a problem with it, I just think nature as an alignment is better for understanding as guthix stated he can relate to her from her alignment Kinglink15 (talk) 16:48, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Anima Mundi is basically all living things, especially things like plant life, so replacing it with nature is just writing Anima Mundi in a different way.   Draconis E ^Talk 22:17, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

That seems a bit troubling to me too... there already was nature before Guthix came. And when Gielinor was being destroyed during the God Wars the world cried out to Guthix, waking him and him banishing the gods. Nature was connected to Guthix too, in a similar way as Seren seems to be, yet Guthix alignment isn't 'nature, 'anima mundi' or 'live', it's Balance (not even 'peace' which is what he seems to want even more for this world). . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 22:42, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

In a way, Lord Nexus as a point, Anima, Mundi, is lfie in all things, and it was stated by Jagex they both (guthix and Seren) are connected to it, so it is safe to say both alignment is Anima Mundi but Guthix would also be balance. After all, it was that woke Guthix.Kinglink15 (talk) 22:46, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter if you change it to Nature or leave it as Anima Mundi since they are both closely related. Draconis E ^Talk 22:51, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you both have a point. But my point is slightly different. They may be connected to it without it being their alignment. Saradomin is connected to the Elder Crown (that allows him to locate other Elder Atefacts), and his alleged first place of entry to Gielinor is Entrana and even during his banishment he apparently stopped combat gear from coming in there... but that doesn't mean Entrana or the Elder crown are also his alignment. I thought the definition of alignment loosely meant, something like: Goal, or ultimate idea of good. For Saradomin that would be Order (well... maybe not but it's the best we've got). If you think I'm a bit vague... then I can understand :P . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 22:55, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, true, but you are comparing, a source of life, to an item, he isn't connected to the elder Crown, he wears it, and Etrana, it's an island, Alignment means side you pick, Saradomin picks the side of Order, his goal is peace, but through order, forcing it. Anima Mundi is life in all things, and not an object, it's like an life source, so, sense Seren is Nature, which is Anima Mundi, it is safe to say she is on the side of Anima, Guthix seemed and looks to be on both side. So I think i rest my case.Kinglink15 (talk) 23:04, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

What do you suggest we put as the allignment?  I think seren's allignment is all things that are living. I can't really explain it but. Back to my first question: What do you suggest we put as the allignment? Draconis E ^Talk 23:08, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

I say keep it to Anima Mundi, Because as you said, it's the same as Nature. Kinglink15 (talk) 23:10, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

I too suggest we keep "Anima Mundi (Nature)" for now, as it is the best we have and the idea of alignment is... not completely water proof certainly since Jagex can change (and apparently is changing) their mind about some. I still think my example (connection vs alignment) was not completely off. But I'm not a Jagex lore decider, so what does my opinion count as? :P I'm just hoping very much for that lore book of Dave Osborne... that might fix a whole lot! . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 23:16, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Anima Mundi isn't an alignment as such. Seren and Guthix are part of it, but that doesn't make it their alignment like Saradomin's is Order and Zamorak is Chaos. I think. Wahisietel (Talk) 13:48, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I think too, but is there more to it then gut-feelings? I heard Mod Osborne had a lore talk with the RuneZone yesterday, did he talk about this too? . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 14:07, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Guys the Anima Mundi is like order and chaos, only different it's defined to be the soul of the world. It can be an alignment also because Seren picks the side of nature, which the Anima stands for. Guthix wishes for Nature, peace, and balance so he sides with nature but life in all things. Of Anima Mundi isn't an alignment then neither is order or chaos. Alignment means a side you pick. Guthix had two. Seren is nature. Saradomin side is order. And zamorak side is chaos. So the Anima can be an aligned because it stand for life in all things. Kinglink15 (talk) 14:31, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's another interesting perspective :P . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 17:06, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Her GodHood tier

Shoudl we really just add random tiers? if it wasn't stated yet?Kinglink15 (talk) 16:19, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Nope, we should not speculate. Oil4 ^Talk 16:47, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

So we just put what we put then? you and I, I and you? Kinglink15 (talk) 16:51, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

It was confirmed on the RSOF that Seren is higher in tier than Amascut and Ichthlarin who are confirmed at tier 6. She is also not an Elder God, putting her in tier 5, 4, 3 or 2. Oil4 ^Talk 16:56, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Correct - Quick find code: 16-17-994-64673518

Mod Edam's posts

Mod Osborne's posts

thread itself

;) . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 17:17, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

She is not tier 2, if she was tier 2 she wouldn't have to adapt her methods to stay in Gielinor to not be banished, as Osbourne said in Lore Questions thread. She cannot be tier 2 because Mod Mark said Zaros can overcome the god he chooses nowadays. The tone of "possibly 4" sounds much better than "3-5" Hallowland^talk 14:32, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Adding "between 3 and 5" could also work but I don't see a difference really. Hallowland^talk 14:33, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

What you're implying makes little sense, SHE DID STAY in Gielinor, it was stated in the Q&A Thread. We don't know why she stayed, or why Guthix allowed her to stay. We shouldn't be speculating, She could be Tier two, but just weaker than Zaros, as Zaros, stated, was weaker than Guthix, in power wise. So there is no proof that she isn't Tier two,  All they said was "she wouldn't be as low as 5 or 6 even in her current form. And no, I certainly didn't mean to claim she was an Elder God!" So we can state, she is around 2-5. her current form now, still unknown, but over all, in her true form, is around 2-5, untill we have all the gods Tier listed, then we can put what we must. But we shouldn't Speculate. Plus we aren't saying she is tier two, we are saying she is around 2-5. Kinglink15 (talk) 15:54, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Gender Before a being a God

Battleben is right, but things is, we don't know how She became a god, and pretty much she could have been a elf, after all, as Jagex stated, one can become a god by Killing another god, having an elder item for a long time, or doing both. A lifeless crystal wouldn't become a god, unless created by an Elder god. My point is, it is best said that he wasn't female first, until we know if she was first mortal that became a god, or created by an elder god. I hope this would be talked in here, and not cause an edit war. (Hope for no one to be blocked.) Adventurerrr ^Talk 17:12, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

He's right about what? :P . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 09:03, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

We don't the gender before being a god (most likely male) Adventurerrr ^Talk 09:05, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, we don't know what Seren's gender was before ascending to godhood... but we know it changed. But we are in agreement about this. Don't worry, no edit war, we talked about it before. Not on Seren's talk page, although that had my preference, but we sorted it out nonetheless :P . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 09:31, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

I think that Mod Raven saying Seren is not portraying herself as the gender she was before ascension means that she was female but does not portray herself a such now, since she portrays herself as a crystal. And crystal seems genderless to me. Either way, I feel saying Seren was not female before ascension is speculation, so should we really have that in the article? ^T_H^A_R^K_O^N 04:13, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree it's not completely unambivalent, but for as far as I know, we know Seren as a girl. And Raven as talking about gods changing gender after their ascension to godhood. Adding those two together: Seren is female now, but was not female before she was a god (which could mean: male, both, neutral, or even a gender type unknown to us... but I'm thinking male, as I assume she was an Elf before ascending to godhood, because the elves I've seen are either male or female). . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 10:12, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Who says she has to have changed gender beforehand? As far as we know, Seren is confirmed to be a female god, which is unlikely to change due to being referred in a podcast that they felt that it was imprtant that Seren was a female god due to the lack of them in god hood. Non of the other major gods have changed from one gender to another since ascension, so why would have Seren changed? Anything else is just speculation. Green Mage48 (talk) 04:06, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it was stated during one of the Podcasts that Seren was not female before she became a Goddess. They never said whether that implied that she was male, or simply did not have a gender. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:25, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

It was stated that she doesn't portray herself as what she was before her ascension. Seren is supposedly a crystal, which is not an object which is capable of having a gender. It may be that her followers refer to her as a 'her' for the same reason that we generally use "him or her" or "they" or "one" rather than "it." Snowskeeper---Till Hell Freezes Over. (talk) 23:30, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, all interesting possibilities, can't wait for that 200th quest... the Elven Quest with Seren content :3 ` . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 11:17, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

There have been more than 200 quests released already. Though some have been removed since. ^T_H^A_R^K_O^N 00:15, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

You are 100% correct ;) But I'm sure you get the point :P . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 09:41, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Just dropping this here, I'll leave it to others to figure out what to make if it; haven't got a clue myself. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:09, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Yes... that's exactly the reason why it has been removed... a shame though, would've loved a tranny god :3

Mod Raven also shouldn't do those... jokes (or throwaway comment, random exclamations) in official (serious??) Q&As, imo.  . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 20:57, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

This was that throwaway comment, btw, ctrl+f: "crystal". . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 21:27, June 7, 2015 (UTC)

Not Scattered?

From the FAQ.

Q: Didn't Sliske know what happened to Seren when he tried to invite her? Even the monk seemed to know the legend about her fate. Mod Ollie: As all the gods are returning, Sliske made sure he left no stone unturned. His plots are like a spider’s web.

Q: Where were the other Gods, such as Zaros and Marimbo? Mod Ollie: Most of the gods that are missing are otherwise occupied. For instance Seren and Zaros are yet to return to Gielinor, and Marimbo will have been more concerned with hosting her own welcome back party.

Mod Ollie explicitly states that Seren is not currently on Gielinor and that Sliske wouldn't overlook something as obvious as her death by exploding-into-crystals when planning.

Therefore, I think that Seren's scattering into crystals is similar to Zaros giving up his body to become incorporeal, except the power Zaros lost when he did so, Seren imbued into the crystals instead. Thus I propose the theory that both Seren and Zaros are currently incorporeal and will be returning to Gielinor soon. ~

Thoughts? 04ismailjj6 (talk) 15:45, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

What she means by that is, Zaros and Seren are not physically back in Gielinor, Zaros was in the quest, that purple gas spirit thing on his podium. Seren is scattered and in a state of a spirit. Pretty much, yes, Seren scattering is somewhat similar to Zaros, she used this to defy the Edicts, unlike Zaros, who was unable to be on Gielinor as a spirit thanks to the Edicts. SO your theory, is long proven already. Adventurerrr ^Talk 15:49, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

related to zaros

we need to add that Seren is Zaros's twin sister, the light to his dark. User:Heavyoak/Signature 20:50, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

By all means go ahead and add they both were created by Mah, and elder god, and both seem to care for each other. Adventurerrr ^Talk 20:57, March 24, 2014 (UTC)